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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re: metals: in practice, metals for which demand is almost entirely industrial make poor 'trading sardines'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see kodak/silver relationship for example.
TheNewDeal: I've got to go get some food before the bar closes
TheNewDeal: ill be back in an hour or so
BingoBoingo: And lets say at 16`367 you spent .33 to purchase 0.5, 0.6 or whatever on No (In case miners betting late on No make covering the offer at a higher weight a challenge, Spz. No becomes obvious and a member of the math challenged drops 1000 BTC on No)
TheNewDeal: No is most definitely not obvious
TheNewDeal: Yes is the most likely scenario
BingoBoingo: Ah, it closes in ~4 days.
TheNewDeal: close doesn't really matter to us
TheNewDeal: i dont think bets are going to be made
BingoBoingo: Well it keeps people from betting when the outcome might be obvious.
TheNewDeal: even if they are made, they are not going to be large ones
BingoBoingo: I'll think on this a bit.
TheNewDeal: sounds good
smickles: mircea_popescu: over 4bill in assets which are easily valued
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00085527 = 0.5987 BTC [+]
smickles: easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 672 @ 0.00085513 = 0.5746 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.072075 = 0.2883 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00085326 = 2.7304 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Here's the present output from BitBet.py on the Bastille Day Bet http://dpaste.com/1Y574AF/
assbot: dpaste: 1Y574AF: Bastille day Output
BingoBoingo missed some lines on initial entry and tacked them on at the end.
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I think something about the math you presented for your example is wrong.
BingoBoingo: As an example of fresh bet of .33 BTC on No returns the line [ 52] No 30000 0.33000000 1.93420100 1.60420100 covering 32.8% of your 5.9 BTC stake.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12327 @ 0.00085485 = 10.5377 BTC [+] {3}
TheNewDeal: bingoboingo you still on?
BingoBoingo: Still online
TheNewDeal: niiiice
TheNewDeal: i've been pondering over some calculations
BingoBoingo: Selling a .33 stake at 30,000 weight for.33 BTC isn't going to be feasible.
TheNewDeal: one I was thinking of was buying .25 stake at 50k weight
TheNewDeal: ;;calc (16.3-.25*50)/(678)*112.8
gribble: 0.632212389381
TheNewDeal: ;;calc ((16.3-.25*50)/(678)*112.8)/(1-.25)
gribble: 0.842949852507
TheNewDeal: return of 84% for you
TheNewDeal: which would be drastically reduced from the 370%+ you have now
BingoBoingo: Looks like [ 53] No 50000 0.25000000 2.24095491 1.99095491 when added through BitBet.py
TheNewDeal: what are the last two columns?
BingoBoingo: The last two are return and then profit.
TheNewDeal: ;;calc ((16.3-.25*50)/(678)*112.8)
gribble: 0.632212389381
TheNewDeal: if I send .25 btc to you representing 50k timeweight you would win .63 btc on No
TheNewDeal: that's probably undesireable then?
BingoBoingo: Very undesirable.
TheNewDeal: then I think we're both stuck to the waiting game
BingoBoingo: I might be amenable to .33 BTC at 25000 weight... the line looks like No 25000 0.33000000 1.65041127 1.32041127
TheNewDeal: the thing is I have to take in my whole stake
TheNewDeal: ;;calc (197/2937)*(19.5)-.33
gribble: 0.977967313585
TheNewDeal: ;;calc (197/2937)*(19.5)-.33/(5.6+.33)
gribble: 1.25231807244
TheNewDeal: ;;calc ((197/2937)*(19.5)-.33)/(5.6+.33)
gribble: 0.164918602628
TheNewDeal: ;;calc (.33*25/678)*112.8
gribble: 1.37256637168
TheNewDeal: ;;calc ((.33*25/678)*112.8)/(5.6+.33)
gribble: 0.231461445477
TheNewDeal: ;;calc ((16.3-.33*25)/678)*112.8
gribble: 1.3392920354
TheNewDeal: ;;calc (((16.3-.33*25)/678)*112.8)/(1-.33)
gribble: 1.99894333642
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: The Bitbet.py numbers are a bit off for these new bets because it figures the new sum into the No pile.
TheNewDeal: I'm not using bitbet.py
TheNewDeal: I'm using the current no and yes totals
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.0189761 = 0.3795 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: my return would be 16.5% on yes, -77% no
TheNewDeal: ;;calc 77/16.5
gribble: 4.66666666667
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I think you might be trying to complicate this thing more than it needs to be complicated.
TheNewDeal: arithmetic doesn't phase me
TheNewDeal: heres the thing
TheNewDeal: you bet later than i did, and on the less probable outcome (in my opinion)
TheNewDeal: so I really only have incentive to offer you less return to reduce your loss
TheNewDeal: and i'm trying to figure out exactly how much would reduce your return and also mitigate my losses in case of some rare event
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.072 = 0.216 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Ah, there's the problem. We're looking at different things. You have a large stake in a probable bet, and I'm willing to offer a hedge so you can avoid a total loss. I'd be willing to unload part of my position, but... I am not an insurance company.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7782 @ 0.00085435 = 6.6486 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: so let's say we wait 1 week
TheNewDeal: how do you think the outcome will look?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Maybe we wait a week. At the moment I think it looks like a bit like your side is more likely, but it is close to a coin flip.
TheNewDeal: no way it's a coin flip~
BingoBoingo: I think it is close.
TheNewDeal: the network has to average around 6% over 3 diff changes
BingoBoingo: Summer is coming and heat kills miners
BingoBoingo: And I only thing we are getting two changes
BingoBoingo: Last one might even go backwards
TheNewDeal: that's too far out to predict for me
BingoBoingo: I think it is going to be hard to add enough hashpower these next 34 days to keep up with dying equiptment and raise the difficulty all that much.
TheNewDeal: 6% over three changes is mincemeat
BingoBoingo: I just don't think we are getting that third change.
TheNewDeal: the last time there was a 6% change was ?
BingoBoingo: It's been a while
TheNewDeal: if we have 3 changes that take 13 days
TheNewDeal: we will still sneak in
TheNewDeal: this year it has typically taken 12.66 days per change
TheNewDeal: there's a lot of fudge room
TheNewDeal: i've gotta get some sleep here
TheNewDeal: long drive tomorrow
BingoBoingo: Sleep well then.
TheNewDeal: gnight
BingoBoingo: Sigh, I guess I'm going to have to explain how this longshots thing works...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.072 = 0.36 BTC [-]
punkman: BingoBoingo: what does your crystal ball say about http://bitbet.us/bet/812/atc-to-reach-block-50000-on-time/
assbot: BitBet - ATC to reach block 50000 on time :: 2.25 B (24%) on Yes, 7.05 B (76%) on No | closing in 1 month 2 weeks | weight: 51`392 (100`000 to 1)
BingoBoingo: punkman: Well considering ATC alternates between difficulty periods that take 4 days and those that take... much longer... No seems like a safe bet, but too safe.
punkman: that's why I went with Yes :P
BingoBoingo: Understandable.
punkman: I'm wondering if it will make sense for the Yes side to rent some extra hashing power at certain points
BingoBoingo: If the pot gets big enough.
punkman: you'd also make ATC to offset the costs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14691 @ 0.00085515 = 12.563 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Indeed. The most profitable move in ATC might be to bet large on yes, wait for people to match it and then add 1TH/s a week to ATC's baseline hashpower until the bet resolves.
punkman: BingoBoingo: is there a log of ATC diff changes somewhere?
BingoBoingo: Maybe blockr.io?
punkman: I don't see one
BingoBoingo: You may have to make one
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07133337 = 0.856 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 96 @ 0.07060759 = 6.7783 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6626 @ 0.00085204 = 5.6456 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 305073 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1358 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 7 hours, 57 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12239240125.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.1057
BingoBoingo: OMG look at the review of everything that doesn't matter in an OS http://delightlylinux.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/xubuntu-14-04-released/
assbot: Xubuntu 14.04 Released | Delightly Linux
punkman: new icons !!!11!
punkman: that trash can definitely needs more work
fluffypony: yeah it's decidedly un-Apple
fluffypony: they should just pay for Apple people to work for them
fluffypony: but for free
fluffypony: because OSS
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Done right XFCE looks much better than OSx
fluffypony: such iconography
fluffypony: much transparency
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Right looks something like https://unsee.cc/doparine/
assbot: Unsee — Free online private photo sharing
fluffypony: if I didn't know any better I would say that's OS X Guhurkagurkle
BingoBoingo: It's what makes sense on a widescree portable
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0241695 = 0.4834 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Why have panels taking up scarce space at the top or bottom when they can go on the side (one of the things Unity got right)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.0718 = 1.5078 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 657.26, vol: 6171.06625581 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 647.99, vol: 4195.29581 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 664.5, vol: 6387.94177976 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 655.0, vol: 21.77758049 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 660.501105, vol: 4167.50820000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 657.71523, vol: 4.62546371 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 665.967224, vol: 66.67940545 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
pankkake: tradition. because computers weren't in the broken 16:9 ratio
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Amazing how persistent these things can be.
assbot: NSF Researcher Suspended For Mining Bitcoin - Slashdot
pankkake: $150,000 worth of NSF-supported computer use at the two universities to generate bitcoins worth about $8,000 to $10,000
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2227051 BTC [-]
jurov: BingoBoingo asciilifeform according to pediwikia gallium is incredibly sticky and messy once it melts, and rather poisonous...so, no chains nor cutlery
jurov: so it'd be best stored in glass containers..and how do you ascertain it wasn't amalgamated with mercury or such?
jurov: oh btw it also soaks readily into other metals and weakens them
assbot: Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error
davout: do i read this one correctly or is euronext valued somewhere around a fifth of whatsapp
davout: or 2/3 of snapchat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0711 = 0.4977 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1351 @ 0.000353 = 0.4769 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0712 = 0.2136 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 89 @ 0.002 = 0.178 BTC
assbot: How I discovered CCS Injection Vulnerability (CVE-2014-0224) - OpenSSL #ccsinjection Vulnerability
jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu not upgrading will not help in all cases: http://ccsinjection.lepidum.co.jp/blog/2014-06-05/CCS-Injection-en/index.html
assbot: How I discovered CCS Injection Vulnerability (CVE-2014-0224) - OpenSSL #ccsinjection Vulnerability
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: apparently nobody has deeper knowledge of the tls protocol
nkuttler: joesmoe: !up works for me
pankkake: !up Bobby_Lee
nkuttler: !up joesmoe
nkuttler: there
joesmoe: you're doing that toa ssbot in PM right?
joesmoe: i'm trying that but getting no reply.
pankkake: it replies in a notice
joesmoe: ahhhh maybe i'm not getting these notices because of BNC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00085684 = 3.8558 BTC [+]
nkuttler: joesmoe: you should sort it out, my !up is only for 30 minutes
joesmoe: yeah i know
joesmoe: anybody have any information on how to use assbot? Do I have to be auth'd with gribble with GPG or can i be bc authd?
joesmoe: i've never setup GPG with gribble
joesmoe: 11:36] joesmoe: ;;whoami
joesmoe: [11:36] gribble: I don't recognize you.
davout: ;;google trilema assets +m
gribble: #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/>; Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/why-everything-you-think-you-know-about-dns-is-entirely-wrong/>; Ca tot… sa tras tot sa fumat tot sa baut tot cum e peste tot ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras- (1 more message)
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
davout: fails
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0712 = 0.1424 BTC [+]
joesmoe: okay great, so i do need to setup gpg with gribble.
joesmoe: how do i get this key its asking me to put it in?
joesmoe: it can't be my entire pub key as that is too long
jurov: it's in the wiki above
joesmoe: says i'm already registered anyhow
jurov: ;;ident joesmoe
joesmoe: ;;ident joesmoe
gribble: Nick 'joesmoe', with hostmask 'joesmoe!~joesmoe@c-73-181-72-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net', is identified as user 'joesmoe', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1AqzP6zLMc4T4KavveXXrcyQoA63tbhyF3
gribble: Nick 'joesmoe', with hostmask 'joesmoe!~joesmoe@c-73-181-72-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net', is identified as user 'joesmoe', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1AqzP6zLMc4T4KavveXXrcyQoA63tbhyF3
jurov: you're regged with bitcoin address
jurov: to add gpg key to registration, use ;;gpg eregister
jurov: and the fingerprint can be got with
joesmoe: oh its the fingerprint okay i have that
jurov: gpg -k --fingerprint
pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot joesmoe
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask joesmoe!~joesmoe@c-73-181-72-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joesmoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joesmoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joesmoe | Rated since: Tue Mar 12 17:07:21 2013
joesmoe: yup i didn't realize the "long key" was the same as fingerprint
jurov: ^^ whoever can edit the wiki, pls add the tidbit
joesmoe: joesmoe: ;;gpg eregister joesmoe 5A307B3E601C5363
joesmoe: [11:51] gribble: Error: Username already registered. Try a different username.
joesmoe: and since i don't have any trust with assbot, does that mean that he won't voice me?
joesmoe: ;;getinfo joesmoe
gribble: Error: "getinfo" is not a valid command.
joesmoe: ;;gettrust joemsoe
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user joesmoe to user joemsoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joesmoe&dest=joemsoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joemsoe | Rated since: never
joesmoe: why does it say not authenticated
joesmoe: i am authenticated
pankkake: you would have to auth with the bitcoin address first, to add the gpg key
joesmoe: i already did
pankkake: ;;ident joesmoe
gribble: Nick 'joesmoe', with hostmask 'joesmoe!~joesmoe@c-73-181-72-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net', is identified as user 'joesmoe', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1AqzP6zLMc4T4KavveXXrcyQoA63tbhyF3
joesmoe: ...
pankkake: you made a typo in your previous command
joesmoe: where?
pankkake: "joemsoe"
joesmoe: ahh thanks
joesmoe: ;;gettrust joesmoe
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask joesmoe!~joesmoe@c-73-181-72-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user joesmoe to user joesmoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 32 via 20 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joesmoe&dest=joesmoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joesmoe | Rated since: Tue Mar 12 17:07:21 2013
joesmoe: oh well i give up for now
joesmoe: i have no idea how to do this
joesmoe: i need add the pgp key but am not sure how
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 219 @ 0.07061468 = 15.4646 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 17 @ 0.02414707 = 0.4105 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0698 = 0.4886 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.0008585 = 5.4086 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.024173 = 0.1209 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.024173 = 0.2659 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6752 @ 0.00085684 = 5.7854 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0691875 = 0.2768 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8732 @ 0.00085356 = 7.4533 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: ;;later tell ThickAsThieves congrats, ATC is on here - http://mapofcoins.com
assbot: Map of coins: the history of cryptocurrencies from bitcoin to dogecoin and more
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: "I am going to be Bitcoin Entrepreneur soon,as i creates ideas for bitcoin and its projects.I have also given ideas to CEX.io and Coinbase and they are reviewing and forwarding to their teams.Now i am looking for any platform that accepts my ideas and buy.Is there any platform which cares user ideas and thoughts."
assbot: Where i can sell my business plans and ideas about bitcoin and its dev?
punkman: gotta be a troll
punkman: "I have many ideas about Bitcoin business but no one is caring me.Only CEX cares my ideas and innovation.I want to deal with persons in this forum"
assbot: Where i can sell my business plans and ideas about bitcoin and its dev?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10379 @ 0.0008585 = 8.9104 BTC [+]
fluffypony: black and white posters printed on the office laserjet and stuck up on lamp posts is real legit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1115 @ 0.00085321 = 0.9513 BTC [-]
assbot: Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC (LabRatMining) Official Announcement
pankkake: "It's like fat camp for your wallet." :D
pankkake: this deserves to be reused
fluffypony: yeah I thought that post was great
fluffypony: "Mhm, I met Garr a couple months back in real life.. Can anyone give me a summary of what happened?"
fluffypony: "Well to sum things up, he changed millions of dollars into few cents and advised us to go out running and apply a holistic approach to the situation."
fluffypony: the forum is a gold mine today!
kakobrekla: slander
pankkake: it seems the newcomers barely know how to write
chetty: reading and writing are rapidly becoming lost arts
chetty: case in point, people as here right off about how to get voice, and its in the chan topic, you can't miss it
kakobrekla: <chetty> reading and writing are rapidly becoming lost arts < even though more words gets written and read than ever before each day
chetty: write yes, not so sure about read
[]bot: Bet placed: 15.25523358 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 490.17913538 BTC. Current weight: 45,685.
assbot: BitBet - Simona Halep to win Roland Garros :: 1.03 B (14%) on Yes, 6.22 B (86%) on No | closed 2 weeks 1 day ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7935 @ 0.00085227 = 6.7628 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: oh wow, someone took a dump in propositions
jurov: Upcoming availability: bitcoin.dating bitcoin.partners bitcoin.productions
jurov: i like it.. but... 147,44 eur?
kakobrekla: cant they make it any longer
jurov: the .partners
kakobrekla: just buy .bit and kill namecoin
jurov: .bit is 4sale?
jurov: One or more of the domain names in your order contain a registered trademark. DAFUQ
jurov: bitcoin is registered trademark nao
kakobrekla: do buttcoin then
jurov: buttcoin.partners?
kakobrekla: legit
punkman: branded night...
jurov: btc.democrat Available
jurov: btc.fail Available (anyone? - but still in sunrise)
jurov: kakobrekla: you should apply for .milk
assbot: Program Statistics | ICANN New gTLDs
punkman: i guess google is gonna love it
danielpbarron: Namecoin is more than .bit; .bit is just the d/ namespace
danielpbarron: if you register the name d/kakobrekla it will corespond to kakobrekla.bit
danielpbarron: you could instead register id/kakobrekla and it won't give you a .bit, but something else
kakobrekla: who issues tlds there
danielpbarron: nobody; i think you could make up your own as long as you write the interface for it
danielpbarron: there could be a g/ for gribble usernames, or if g/ is already used, gribble/
danielpbarron: i might be using the wrong slash; it's been a while
punkman: is .bit reserved by ICANN or something? no applications for it
danielpbarron: punkman, nope
danielpbarron: you have to hack your settings to get .bit domains to resolve
punkman: yeah I know
danielpbarron: (why nobody uses it)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.024 = 0.12 BTC [-]
punkman: wouldn't be nice to have to change everything if .bit gets sold
punkman: I guess .onions are in the same boat though
kakobrekla: namecoin should prolly be a browser extension at this point
Apocalyptic: they have one afaik
punkman: do they have something more low level? so you don't need a plugin for every app
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6657 @ 0.00085715 = 5.706 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: there is a radio host who got obsessed with Namecoin for a time, and caused a couple applications to get written: FreeSpeechMe, and MeowBit
jurov: punkman there's <name>.dot-bit.org or such
danielpbarron: freespeechme is a firefox plugin; meowbit is a windows-only system-wide thing
danielpbarron: but he got tired of Namecoin and is shilling for bitshares now
danielpbarron: actually lately he hasn't really mentioned crypto-stuff at all, which is good; I was giving him a hard time for this stuff on twitter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23534 @ 0.00085203 = 20.0517 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg7231252#msg7231252 at least the whole thing made someone smarter. not sure about the rest of them though
assbot: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated]
pankkake: danielpbarron: i've seen a few of those cases; overly enthusiastic towards things they don't fully understand
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 601 @ 0.00206714 = 1.2424 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Retailers Use Big Data to Turn You Into a Big Spender - Bloomberg
jurov: so they just send you stuff and expect you to eventually pay later?
jurov: dare they try in eastern eu
fluffypony: !up drawingthesun
fluffypony: ;;get trust drawingthesun
gribble: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, and Topic plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
fluffypony: ;;gettrust drawingthesun
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user drawingthesun: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=drawingthesun | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=drawingthesun | Rated since: never
fluffypony: drawingthesun: you need to get in the WoT
fluffypony: because you don't have to read months and months worth of threads
fluffypony: you just have to be here and read the conversation
fluffypony: pretty much every security ever has been covered at length
drawingthesun: I shudder to think what people have said about ActiveMining here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0257 = 0.257 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.02577 = 0.2577 BTC [+]
fluffypony: ;;google ken slaughter site:log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: NEXT: 09-05-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log - bitcoin-assets.com: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2014&bots=true>; NEXT: 26-07-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2013&bots=true>; NEXT: 09-05-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2014>
pankkake: the logs are public but I don't remember that much
pankkake: actually there might have been a year ago, when I wasn't very active
jurov: 21:33:19 pankkake:so… investors are going to make a KILLING
jurov: from one of above links
jurov: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.02578 = 0.2578 BTC [+]
drawingthesun: pankkake, haha how are you going?
pankkake: I'm ok. I guess. lol
pankkake: jurov: I didn't even understand my joke at first
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.02579999 = 0.3354 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: o yea now i get it too.
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jurov: !b 2
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 40 @ 0.0259999 = 1.04 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: there's laughter in every slaughter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 21 @ 0.02659999 = 0.5586 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: slander
fluffypony: now you too can own a piece of an Australian hair salon
assbot: [ANN] Klippt -Bitcoin IPO - Limited shares, dividends paid quarterly.
drawingthesun: what do you lot think about NEMstake on Nxt asset exchange? Anyone following NEM development?
kakobrekla: the investors will make a KLIPPING
pankkake: is it a vietnamese restaurant?
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fluffypony: needs moar context in the bash, ah well
pankkake: oh klippt is like a word play on "clip"?
fluffypony: pankkake: it's apparently Swedish for haircut or something
pankkake: French hair salons love word plays in their names. it's ridiculous
davout: "there's laughter in every slaughter" <<< thank you, if that was the joke, i get it too nao
davout: but if it wasn't, such shame
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0268 = 0.268 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: Damn the US fucked everything up for Bitcoin users here.
fluffypony: did they ban China?
davout: bitcoin banned china again?
fluffypony: BitChina banned coin
thestringpuller: The cost of liquidity is too high for most vendors...
thestringpuller: Coinbase wants 1% which is pretty much what most niggas pay for CC processing
thestringpuller: Bitpay wants fucking 2
fluffypony: now is the time to move away from liquidity and go towards solidity
thestringpuller: And it's on the low side of the bid
fluffypony: thestringpuller: Bitpay is 1% on starter, else $30/month no fees
davout: "1% which is pretty much what most niggas pay for CC processing" <<< it really depends
thestringpuller: so they finally are doing flat fees
pankkake: I don't know many who have only 1% for CC
pankkake: or no monthly fee
davout: pankkake: it's usually lower in france
thestringpuller: I guess I'm just bitter since back in the day I could buy BTC pretty much at market price with 0.5% in fees.
pankkake: really? perhaps I've only seen higher rates but maybe banks like to fuck small businesses
davout: the fees can explode depending on your business and your fraud profile
los_pantalones: thestringpuller what is market rate?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.217161 = 1.0858 BTC [-] {3}
davout: gambling & porn is usually > 6% i hear
fluffypony: thestringpuller: yeah, they've been doing flat pricing for a while already - https://bitpay.com/pricing
assbot: Pricing | BitPay
fluffypony: $30/month gives you up to $10k daily
thestringpuller: yea i just looked
thestringpuller: ;;calc 30 /10000
gribble: 0.003
davout: fluffypony: it's not really flat -> Up to $100,000 daily
thestringpuller: i'd rather just have a continuous supplier like a miner I can just pay
thestringpuller: i want to migrate my fiat income stream into bitcoin
thestringpuller: but it costs too much!
xmj: thestringpuller: have you looked into coinvoice?
davout: thestringpuller: what is it you're doing ?
fluffypony: davout: apparently even their Enterprise packages for > $100k daily are flat fee and not %
thestringpuller: my business runs in fiat and I want to migrate the operating revenue into btc
davout: well, why don't they give a price then ?
los_pantalones: thestringpuller what rate do you think is market rate?
davout: thestringpuller: that i got, wasn't the question tho :)
los_pantalones: i could sell you btc every day, settle net 7 or net 15
thestringpuller: lol davout i've been developing a cookie company but we want to migrate our profits into btc
los_pantalones: but i want to know what you think the going price is
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 647.37, Best ask: 650.21, Bid-ask spread: 2.84000, Last trade: 650.21, 24 hour volume: 7067.58768279, 24 hour low: 641.01, 24 hour high: 657.41, 24 hour vwap: 649.718914435
los_pantalones: so you think bitstamp is the market rate ?
los_pantalones: where are you located ?
thestringpuller: here it's a bit higher
davout: fluffypony: if it's $30 for < $10,000/day, $300 for < $100k, $3000 for < $1mn that's still a percentage
thestringpuller: think Coinbase is 656
fluffypony: davout: ah I see what you mean
davout: it just has a 0,3% floor
los_pantalones: so you would like to pay coinbase daily ?
los_pantalones: or you think that is too high ?
davout: thestringpuller: oic, weren't you supposed to send me a cookie for some reason i forgot?
davout: :D
los_pantalones: company i work for provides btc liquidity to businesses, we settle net 7 or net 15
los_pantalones: if you are interested
thestringpuller: yea davout we are in R&D got held up. the chef is going to bonnaroo this week. Took me a lot to train him.
thestringpuller: should be a semi colon after R&D
thestringpuller: My lawyer was supposed to have me import/export papers on perhishables by now too...
thestringpuller: fluffypony informed me yesterday of the harsh import laws
pankkake: just sell your cookies on the darknets
fluffypony: CookieRoad
thestringpuller: Don't they open packages at customs?
thestringpuller: I don't sell outside the US just sending you and MP cookies.
pankkake: if you write "electronics" they still it and claim it's lost, otherwise usually not
pankkake: steal*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7022 @ 0.00085125 = 5.9775 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: France sounds annoying.
thestringpuller: Well their shipping practices.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2357051 BTC [+]
pankkake: shipping food *to* the US is the hard thing actually
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0269 = 0.269 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 59 @ 0.02699994 = 1.593 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.0274875 = 0.4398 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.02779 = 0.5558 BTC [+] {2}
Blazedout419: must be some good news on Scrypt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 80 @ 0.02799 = 2.2392 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.23797814 = 1.1899 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02418799 = 0.1209 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.028 = 0.168 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.024188 = 0.1209 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.02931666 = 0.8795 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.02999798 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.029998 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.02999999 = 0.15 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> ;;later tell ThickAsThieves congrats, ATC is on here - http://mapofcoins.com --- neat! back to lumberjacking...
assbot: Map of coins: the history of cryptocurrencies from bitcoin to dogecoin and more
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02437042 = 0.1462 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "The biggest reason why the bug hasn’t been found for over 16 years is that code reviews were insufficient, especially from experts who had experiences with TLS/SSL implementation. "
mircea_popescu: fucking joke.
pankkake: mapofcoins is missing Bernankoin :( how do I submit?
mircea_popescu: madofcoins ?
pankkake: madoffcoins?
mircea_popescu: "allows man-in-the-middle attackers to trigger use of a zero-length master key"
mircea_popescu: you know, when i said the power rangers are too stupid to be on the internet and they said i'm just being evil, because they're about as smart as everyone else derping about "open source software" we were BOTH right
mircea_popescu: i didn't realise this at the time.
mircea_popescu: !up toddf
ThickAsThieves: <+thestringpuller> The cost of liquidity is too high for most vendors... //// Circle can eat their lunch if they play their cards right - things will start getting interesting when you can buy for zero fees
mircea_popescu: it's unavoidable. commodified market, players are of no particular valu
mike_c: zero fees = fees built into exchange rate.
Mats_cd03: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 305122 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1309 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 13 hours, 35 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12339676924.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.96
mircea_popescu: mike_c how so ?
mike_c: circle does as much as it can to hide the exchange rate when you buy (from watching video)
jurov: um a dude from @dc-data.com.cn wrote to me that some company named VOLKAN Tech Ltd. wants to register zillion coinbr.TLD domains
jurov: whether we authorized it
mike_c: and i'm sure they just a few points off for their own pockets.
jurov: i replied that no
mircea_popescu: jurov classical spam
mike_c: *shave
jurov: and he replied "okay, you should register them yourself"
jurov: so, not legit you say
mircea_popescu: mike_c trying to be paypal. except they won't be able to
mircea_popescu: paypal has this thing where govts prosecute its competition
mike_c: jurov: no. dime a dozen scam. i throw those out on a weekly basis
mircea_popescu: jurov one of the more common finds when i review my spamtraps
mike_c: i like better the scam where they just send you a bill
mike_c: in the hopes that a clueless worker bee will pay it.
jurov: ok, i got such for first time
mircea_popescu: mike_c kinda how circle's shaving points work
mircea_popescu: in the hopes a clueless buyer will just think a ok it's what itis
mike_c: yes
mike_c: zero fees!
assbot: GoDaddy Files For $100 Million IPO - Slashdot
mike_c: anybody in here have an account and try it out?
mircea_popescu: wait what ?
mircea_popescu: godaddy 100mn after whatsapp 20bn ? are they insane ?
mircea_popescu: was it100bn ?
pankkake: GoDaddy hasn't made a profit since 2009. The company lost $279 million in 2012. It bled another $200 million last year. This year doesn't look much better, with another $51 million lost in the first quarter
pankkake: so, they're the twitter of domains
los_pantalones: how does godaddy lose money ?
mike_c: that might be raising $100m, not the valuation
mike_c: "The company said it would raise $100 million, but that is just a placeholder until closer to the offering date."
xmj: godaddy throws money away on superbowls
los_pantalones: but that's maybe 10mm
ThickAsThieves: ticker should be GOD Y
asciilifeform: jurov: so it'd be best stored in glass containers..and how do you ascertain it wasn't amalgamated with mercury << there's the beauty. melting point. no way to fake Ga melting point and have anything like the density.
asciilifeform: jurov: and it can stay in the bottle.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.02854545 = 0.314 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: you can't easily measure the volume while it's inside the bottle
mircea_popescu: pankkake more of this fudingyou learned on btc forum i see.
asciilifeform: jurov: s/bottle/ampoule (full ampoule)
asciilifeform: measure like archimedes
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones by hiring uglychicks to weart its tshirt ?
xmj: waaat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you sur e ? eutectic is a thing
jurov: if it's full one needs to solve the thermal expansion problem and still., also measuring the wall thickness accurately
mircea_popescu: jurov a glass bottle can't be full of a metal ffs.
jurov: too many things that can go bad.. i'm keeping my bricks, thanks
jurov: if you can design "datskovskiy's container" that solves all of above properly, maybe that will be the thing you'll be remembered for
jurov: not for some computer science masturbation
jurov: ;)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you can find me a eutectic solder that melts anywhere near 30C (but not liquid at room temp like Hg) i'll buy it right now.
asciilifeform: many useful applications.
mircea_popescu: but maybe the reason that ive not found it is that your buying doesn't compare with 8 millenia of trying to defraud the currency
asciilifeform: there was something like wood's metal that did 80, i think
asciilifeform: at any rate, Hg has >2x the density of Ga. and the latter, unlike Hg, won't boil on a gas flame.
asciilifeform: so plenty of simple tests, once you pick a suitable container.
jurov: there are other amalgams not suitable as solder, but for faking gallium in closed container something can be certainly though of
jurov: *thought
jurov: just to remind, the whole discussion started about ease of handling/verification vs. gold/silver bricks
asciilifeform: the only reason no one would even try this crap is the point mentioned earlier (100% of present-day use is industrial, mostly as GaAs semiconductor, fluctuating demand)
mircea_popescu: more's the point, you've not had the benefit of manyyear's worth of having thought about what the people trying to fake it might have thought about
mircea_popescu: i think this problem is often misrepresented by all the young cocks starting new things.
asciilifeform: that's actually the part that intrigues me - how do we fake gallium
asciilifeform: because i could really use some
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the definityion of a fake is not being useful.
asciilifeform: well, 'fake' in this case is, achieve the melting point, with a well-conductive substance
asciilifeform: (incidentally ampoule could include electrodes for testing conductivity
jurov: now that's something
mircea_popescu: prolly best so far, because you can measure resistance etc
asciilifeform: but in that case the ampoule could not be full. you must be able to tilt it, to expose electrode (perhaps a scammer simply placed a resistor there)
asciilifeform: of course, resistor could be trivially exposed with frequency sweep / bode plot (skin effect on Ga blob != impedence of ordinary resistor)
jurov: also one needs to verify there is no cavity or tungsten bar placed in the middle
asciilifeform: lol! jurov, look at periodic table
asciilifeform: but yes, people would at least try. so, contents of flask must pour freely.
asciilifeform: verify that liquid.
asciilifeform: ideal container would probably be a toroid, half-empty
mircea_popescu: you cant really fake metal to electrodes
mircea_popescu: but yes a ring of ga.
mircea_popescu: sounds pretty cool actually
asciilifeform: with Au probes
asciilifeform: incidentally!
asciilifeform: you could weigh the metal purely electronically
asciilifeform: if you have two electrodes, put a current through it, while surrounded by electromagnet, it will move x cm up the ring in response to Y amps...
davout: thestringpuller: "France sounds annoying." <<< wait until you hear french people
asciilifeform: why do any of this - is 'exercise for alert reader' of course.
mircea_popescu: more like putridly rich reader.
assbot: One or Two Ounces of Contaminated Gallium Liquid Metal Read | eBay
asciilifeform: anyone who remembers school chemistry will understand that impurities lower melting point
asciilifeform: Ga is ~250 usd/kg, atm
asciilifeform: (small supply + small demand)
assbot: New York Man Faces Criminal Charges For $17 Million Ponzi Scheme - Ponzitracker - Ponzitracker
mircea_popescu: mike_c how about a btc fund that buys gallium ? :D
asciilifeform: we could use Nd magnets as coin...
asciilifeform: try fake Nd magnet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23799989 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: maybe you should be head of mint.
asciilifeform: (anyone seriously thinking about bidding up Ga should remember that it is a strategic metal - radar sets live and die by GaAs diodes. so anyone who fucks with the supply is liable to Can Also Have Problems)
mike_c: mircea_popescu: lol. i'm in!
mike_c: honestly i would rather see a btc investment that bought commodities rather than real estate. with the REITS I feel like people are expecting a BTC return. no one would think that with a commodity fund (similar to x.eur).
mike_c: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00429980 / 0.00441359 / 0.00449890 (14 shares, 0.06179020 BTC), 7D: 0.00351101 / 0.0038605 / 0.00469990 (1234 shares, 4.76386086 BTC), 30D: 0.00280000 / 0.00524007 / 0.00710000 (6290 shares, 32.96001124 BTC)
mike_c: wow, bit of a rebound
mike_c: not back to ipo price yet, but still.
mike_c: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021639 BTC (Total: 432.79 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021725 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o wow it dropped ?
mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.56965722 BTC; +0.09045396 BTC (+0.0531%) since last check 22h 25m 29s ago.
mike_c: eurusd is a tough market.
mircea_popescu: did panacea take it in teh butts ?
mike_c: yeah
mircea_popescu: THIS IS MILK
mircea_popescu: wow almost a full % huh
mircea_popescu: well you can't have it all
asciilifeform: TLS/SSL bug... hasn?t been found for over 16 years << don't blame the fscking mice...
mircea_popescu: mike_c mind making the columns on your splendid tracker red and green ?
mike_c: sure
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not ?
mircea_popescu: i will blame the mice.
asciilifeform: mice belong in mousetrap, yes. but the kitchen remains filthy.
asciilifeform: obligatory:
asciilifeform: ;;google don't blame the mice
gribble: Loper OS » Don't Blame the Mice.: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299>; OF MICE & MEN LYRICS - Blame It - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/ofmicemen/blameit.html>; Misleading results: don't blame the mice.: <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24458625>
mircea_popescu: blaming the mice is an excellent strategy.
mircea_popescu: it encourages the mice to organise and clean up your kitchen
mircea_popescu: something sans pareil in all otherapproaches.
mircea_popescu: i ordinarily punish people for things they perceive are "well outside their control"
mircea_popescu: so does nature.
asciilifeform must've had defective mice
mircea_popescu: or not enough patience, or not enough cruelty.
mircea_popescu: the only way to establish which of the three is to be abundant with the last two
mircea_popescu: the only ones under your own control.
asciilifeform killed the last two mice in old flat with own hands, still had to... clean after
jurov: btw, how it went with the robin?
mike_c: you didn't see last pic?
jurov: not
assbot: Kitteh - Imgur
jurov: kthanks
asciilifeform: bird went in cat.
mike_c: bird gets 2014 darwin award
fluffypony: that cat is like "thanks for lunch"
asciilifeform: i knew i could rely on that particular cat
asciilifeform: but it only comes at dusk.
assbot: Confirmed: blockchain.info Shared Coin is broken : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: "There used to be something called Shared Send, which was an actual taintless bitcoin mixer and not just a CoinJoin plausible-deniability transaction obfuscator.
ThickAsThieves: For a while, Shared Send was the only option. Then SharedCoin was introduced and for a while they were both available in the blockchain.info wallet.
ThickAsThieves: Then, Shared Send was discontinued. Even the old URL for Shared Send (https://blockchain.info/wallet/send-shared) redirects to their SharedCoin page now."
mircea_popescu: noobs and poor people are not allowed to have good tools.
asciilifeform poor with good tools. not impossible.
asciilifeform: noobs - sure.
mircea_popescu: which is why isortedin tht order :p
asciilifeform: obligatory:
assbot: Re: becoming a better programmer - Naggum cll archive
asciilifeform: '...what I find among the modern novices is that they do not feel the same way about the experts -- they want an expert-free world where their ignorance is not painful, where their inexperience is not used against them, where they get all the jokes, where nobody uses literary references that elude them, where every one of their ideas is accepted by their peers as just as novel as they think it is...'
chetty: asciilifeform, a lot of that problem might actually be there are so few real experts
asciilifeform: chetty: somehow people once imagined that not having to travel over sea and through jungle to visit the experts - would solve this.
asciilifeform: it didn't.
chetty: nah the travel is better, earn your audience with an expert
asciilifeform: better - sure. but when you come across a lamer - he's already paying what a very reasonable education would cost - the price of his net connection.
asciilifeform: not everyone can apprentice with a master in meatspace, sure. but anyone could... read?
mircea_popescu: '...what I find among the modern novices is that they do not feel the same way about the experts -- they want an expert-free world where their ignorance is not painful, where their inexperience is not used against them, where they get all the jokes, where nobody uses literary references that elude them, where every one of their ideas is accepted by their peers as just as novel as they think it is...' <<< quite exactly.
mircea_popescu: and the prescription for this disease is... rape.
mircea_popescu: people derping about how "we" should live in a world without rape conveniently tend to not mention that rape is in fact the only cure to the particular mental disease that constitutes their powerbase.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00085204 = 2.0449 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, not anyone could read anymore than anyone could magic.,
chetty: people can't be bothered to read mostly, much less evaluate the content in any reasonable manner
mircea_popescu: reading is not just techne is the problem. which is why there exists such a thing as the educated idiot.
mike_c: those of you who wanted trilema book: https://www.paperlater.com/
assbot: PaperLater
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chetty: save screen time and line the bird cage :)
mircea_popescu: lol #bitcoin-wizards actuallyexists
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: didn't you know?
fluffypony: it's the /r/BitcoinSerious version of #bitcoin-dev
fluffypony: only the cool kids are there
fluffypony clearly isn't cool
mircea_popescu: course in my mind it's more like bitcoin-dev's johhny come lately attempt at making a bitcoin-assets without the ass in it
mircea_popescu: but what do i know.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87465820 BTC to 8`765 shares, 21388 satoshi per share
fluffypony: asciilifeform: thanks for the updated defective bird pic, it has come in handy - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631605.msg7234573#msg7234573
assbot: BMF has lost access to it's wallet [UnModerated]
thestringpuller: lol deprived, whatever happened to him?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony well left todd a tell, curious what'll come of that.
thestringpuller: not enough female ass in bitcoin assets
fluffypony: I like Peter Todd, I feel like his efforts are wasted / stymied by many others around him
mircea_popescu: i like him too, and feel thesame way
mircea_popescu: now if only he liked himself, he could be done with all that.
jborkl: wait Usagi lost access to his wallet ? he is still around?
mircea_popescu: sure, he's inventing the future of crypto
mircea_popescu: much like amir taaki
jborkl: maybe he can sell his skateboard this time
jborkl: he already sold his guitar
mircea_popescu: princessnell "Visions receive more attention than game plans. We know we want to “decentralize,” at least. Growing pains notwithstanding, the old ways simply will not do. Power corrupts, we are reminded from birth. The worst get on top, fewer learn later. Men are not angels but too many of them still run the world. No, our doomed synthetic seraphocracy must go." your prose needs better ligature.
fluffypony: jborkl: to quote usagi - "You guys have no idea how badly you've screwed up trying to troll people to get ahead, and all the junk lies that you are telling."
fluffypony: we don't even KNOW
asciilifeform: fluffypony: lol
jborkl: I still do not know if he is the biggest idiot on the planet or just a scammer playing idiot
jborkl: he is too good at playing idiot to tell
chetty: jborkl> he is too good at playing idiot to tell// obama?
jborkl: he/she/both
jborkl: hehe
davout: jborkl: dotcoin is the same
davout: NOT SURE IF STUPID OR STUPID
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06920012 = 0.5536 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Valued Investing | Socially Conscious Online Financial Advisor
mircea_popescu: who's that ?
benkay: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: That explains the problem historically, but not why it persists. // see also smbx
benkay: <BingoBoingo> fluffypony: Done right XFCE looks much better than OSx // care to share shots of your setup?
asciilifeform: benkay: the wm 'ratpoison', imho, looks better than osx. i.e., it doesn't draw extraneous crud on the display at all...
asciilifeform: no window borders, no buttons, no clocks... nothing
benkay: i have to admin, i tend to eschew the window mgr in favor of...emacs. app-tab over to...browsers.
asciilifeform: benkay: think emacs but for all x11 progs
benkay: i've been concerned about a wm stomping on my emacs bindings, and losing a week to fixing it.
benkay: granted this pernicious notion was planted in my head by the notorious lee, so i don't know if it carries any water.
asciilifeform: 'ratpoison' doesn't - but if it did, all you'd have to do is change its own bindings (they're all configurable)
benkay: i'd hope.
benkay: have you tried xmonad?
asciilifeform: it's something like 50kb of c
asciilifeform: xmonad draws on screen, ugh.
benkay: vs?
benkay: do forgive my ignorance.
asciilifeform: vs ratpoison
asciilifeform: which doesn't
asciilifeform: it only gives other things a place to live
benkay: sure but what does rp do that's so different?
asciilifeform: only this
benkay: what's the difference between drawing on the screen and giving things a place to live?
asciilifeform: there are other tiling wm, but they all seem to insist on being 'better' - i.e. actually outputting something extra
benkay: displays are *way* out of my weelhouse.
asciilifeform: benkay: perhaps i did not explain well. most wm actually draw something of their own on the screen - window boundaries, toggles, clocks, etc.
benkay: ah that's what you mean by draw things.
asciilifeform: rp doesn't - all it does is reposition x11 windows created by other progs
benkay: i understand now, thank you.
FabianB: !t m F.MPIF
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021703 / 0.00021703 / 0.00021703 (1000 shares, 0.22 BTC), 7D: 0.00021548 / 0.0002161 / 0.00021725 (15601 shares, 3.37 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC)
mircea_popescu: Low Management Fee 0.6%
mircea_popescu: omfg god help us
assbot: FBI — Former Mingo Judge Sentenced to More Than Four Years in Federal Prison
asciilifeform: chetty: i'd be surprised if every judge in usa weren't guilty of these and other crimes. but this one is removed. --> for reasons.
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021641 BTC (Total: 432.83 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.238 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what did he do again ?
chetty: asciilifeform, every little bit helps
TomServo: The sentence comes after Thornsbury admitted his role in a conspiracy to coerce a local drug defendant, George White, into firing his defense counsel.
asciilifeform: chetty: what i'm suggesting is that this particular specimen 'needed to have problems' - for some reason obviously not stated in the gov. press release.
asciilifeform: the others remain on their thrones, on account of their 'playing ball'
chetty: sigh, prolly true - charge should read, fails to play ball
benkay: !up blackwhite_
asciilifeform: a lizard goes to the clink when a fatter, more senior lizard wishes it, and not at any other time
benkay: ;;google trilema assets +m
gribble: #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/>; Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/why-everything-you-think-you-know-about-dns-is-entirely-wrong/>; Ca tot… sa tras tot sa fumat tot sa baut tot cum e peste tot ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: TomServo the best part is where they discuss how "a stiff sentence was appropriate" and then the sentence is... 4 years.
mircea_popescu: what happened to death ?
asciilifeform: chicoms cornered the market
chetty: 4 years in fed country club at that
TomServo: right. And the guy with 15 years gets no reprieve?
mircea_popescu: TomServo ikr ? stiff sentence my ass.
asciilifeform: want public firing squad, gotta go to cn, just like for cheap pcbs.
pankkake: I'm not sure sentences work at all
pankkake: the general thinking is "I'll get away with it"
chetty: depends what they are supposed to do
asciilifeform: pankkake: it 'worked' in this case - for removal of troublesome bureaucrat by another of his species
pankkake: sure, but the prison sentence isn't useful in that way. will this teach other bureaucrats?
chetty: bing0! asciilifeform you got it, they are indeed a whole different species
asciilifeform: what kind of trouble warranted his removal - and by whom, in actuality, he was removed - we (or at least i) do not know
asciilifeform: btw this kind of thing is a schoolbook example of what 'xxxx can also have problems' means.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did anyone ever step up to your 'judge biography' challenge?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can't help but wonder where this one stood
TomServo: Oh yeah, that rings a bell. What was the bounty on that?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the unfortunat experience of mr white, the fuckwit who listened to the usg, withdrew his charges against usg agents and is now serving 15 years should be very illuminating to every other us citizen
mircea_popescu: if you do what your government tells you to do you will end up with a life in prison sentence
mircea_popescu: this is what your government exists for : to put you in prison, for life.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.238 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: never, ever, under any circumstances do what any agency tells you. not the sec, not the irs, not the judge, no one.
mircea_popescu: do the fucking opposite.
mircea_popescu: you'll probablystill go to jail, but note that STILL in there.
mircea_popescu: and at least you get tyo have some fun.
chetty: do not go quietly into that long night
asciilifeform: what really boggles my mind is all the folks (e.g. a. schwartz) who were turned loose, with the understanding that they'll report to jail at appointed hour, etc. and no radio collar, etc.; now, they probably won't be permitted in an airport, but mexico is not so far...
thestringpuller: or make yourself disappear completely?
mircea_popescu: learned helplessness. is what makes domestic animals domestic
mircea_popescu: it's what makes herding possible
asciilifeform: insult to animals. they sometimes have the sense to run.
TomServo: or repeatly fly into a window
TomServo: repeatedly*
pankkake: some animals and even plants cannot be domesticated
asciilifeform: TomServo: that's the other kind of animal. reminiscent of the folks who still try to weasel their way into usa
asciilifeform: lol re: fbi 'most wanted' list's #10.
asciilifeform: lives openly and freely in moscow.
mircea_popescu: re bio challenge : no. but this wasn't a magistrate was he
assbot: Michael Thornsbury - Judgepedia
Mats_cd03: exceedingly few animals are capable of domestication and tasty too
mircea_popescu: "[Judge Thornsbury] engaged in criminal conspiracies to violate the constitutional rights of victim R.W. . .Judge Thornsbury conspired to plant illegal drugs on R.W.'s pickup truck; to have R.W. arrested for thefts he did not commit; to commandeer a state grand jury and use it to oppress R.W. and his family; and, after an incident in which R.W. was the victim of an assault, to arrange for R.W., rather than the perpetra
mircea_popescu: tor, to receive an exceptionally harsh sentence"
mircea_popescu: this is four years.
asciilifeform: unrelated: cryptome: still dead.
mircea_popescu: and it doesn'teven end htere :
mircea_popescu: U.S. Magistrate Judge Dwane Tinsley set the arraignment for August 21, 2013 and released Thornsbury on a $10,000 unsecured bond.
TomServo: In the same article about the Mingo judge, they mention he tried to frame the husband of some woman he was fucking and was charged for that as well.
TomServo: No mention of sentencing in that case however.
gribble: 1.1756551916903952E10
mircea_popescu: hey, thenewdeal guy was pretty much spot on in theend ?
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,diff
gribble: Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0692002 = 0.4844 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/bitbet-lol.jpg << some very smart people are discovering bitbet
mircea_popescu: who linked it on reddit ?
mike_c: ooh, is that the super-sekrit bitbet mod page?
fluffypony: "Who will clinch the ill trophy"
fluffypony votes yes
mike_c: needs moar css
fluffypony: mike_c: that's a good point
fluffypony: that backend will never succeed without proper CSS
fluffypony: and some JS animation
fluffypony: bitbet is doomed!
TomServo: ;;isitdown facebook.com
gribble: facebook.com is up
TomServo: whew
mircea_popescu: mike_c yup
mircea_popescu: it's actually a jool of functional functionality, kakobrekla just made it like this and it has needed very little fixing
mircea_popescu: serves the mods quite comfortable. i think the man is talented.
mike_c: kako doesn't understand job security
mike_c: if it just works they don't need you anymore.
fluffypony: he should have purposely crippled it
benkay remembers to go down to the server room and unplug some client hardware
Mats_cd03: ill unplug your hardware
Mats_cd03: with garden shears
Mats_cd03: replace hardware with dong
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kakobrekla: i think thats the rendering from lynx.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1046 @ 0.0003565 = 0.3729 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: why so hostile, Mats_cd03
Mats_cd03: i found pubes in my cereal this morning
Mats_cd03: whats so special about docker
Mats_cd03: can somebody explain this to me
benkay: containers for the derpy
benkay: its f'n great.
Mats_cd03: and how is that different from a vps
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.02987692 = 0.3884 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 21 @ 0.0299 = 0.6279 BTC [+]
benkay: a vps you rent from a virtualization provider, docker you install on some server you own to do your own virtualization?
asciilifeform: benkay: what's wrong with ordinary human sshd ?
asciilifeform: (tunnel mode)
asciilifeform: lemme guess, 'docker' comes with extra helping of derp?
benkay: what does sshd have to do with docker?
benkay: i use it to nail down environments for a single process
asciilifeform: benkay: docker you install on some server you own to do your own virtualization << this ?
FabianB: it's a tool to manage lxc containers for you, so kinda like a chroot with cgroups and snapshottable
asciilifeform: (never heard of it before)
benkay: i mean granted i don't know shit about shinola
benkay: yeah, what FabianB said
asciilifeform: ok thought it was vpn substitute
asciilifeform: for some reason
asciilifeform not quite awake, and doing 3 other things
FabianB: no, many run it inside a vps
fluffypony: I like to think of it as Bitcoin Testnet but for test environments
benkay: can be run inside a vps as well
thestringpuller: or on a toaster
fluffypony: or on Usagi's My First Backup System
punkman: they even have a conference http://www.dockercon.com/ derp
assbot: DockerCon 2014
benkay: conferences for actual tools aren't that bad of an idea compared to bitcoin conferences
punkman: i guess now that their vc money came in they can splurge a bit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23799999 = 0.714 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: how many talks about docker could one endure in two days though
mircea_popescu: from the life of a cryptolord :
mircea_popescu: mircea@inigo-montoya:/media/ce570767-bda1-4312-b09f-99a812e19f3e$ gpg 95bad940ebdc9bfcda86ea087d376ca179c59ebe
fluffypony: you killed my father! prepare to die!
mircea_popescu: now say it in md5 lol
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> if it just works they don't need you anymore. << i need him more when it works.
mircea_popescu: <benkay> conferences for actual tools aren't that bad of an idea compared to bitcoin conferences << agreed
mircea_popescu: <punkman> how many talks about docker could one endure in two days though << also agreed.
mircea_popescu: da fuck do i do now
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 648.85, Best ask: 650.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.15000, Last trade: 650.0, 24 hour volume: 6690.75594717, 24 hour low: 641.01, 24 hour high: 657.41, 24 hour vwap: 649.408442812
BingoBoingo: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.62354623 BTC; +0.05388901 BTC (+0.0316%) since last check 3h 59m 57s ago.
BingoBoingo: I like the gallium torroid idea. I was thinking I might be useful for creating small bronze scultpures that could be remoulded almost like clay.
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assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
asciilifeform: maybe good idea, but 'badBet'
asciilifeform: to use kako's terminology
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, I think retaliation from the Gallium upbidding cartel could take the form of upbidding Indium. iPhones can have problems too.
kakobrekla: i thought it was english.
asciilifeform: it'd be a shame, though, GaAs is costly enough as it is.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, and so many aesthetic uses, Like a liquid metal fountain out in the garden.
asciilifeform: i'd leave this gedankenexperiment on the shelf. just because you can, doesn't mean that you must. but, on the other hand, nobody's gonna play tungsten games with 'gold' that's liquid at 30c.
BingoBoingo: It might take what, 1, 2 kilograms to fill a small fountain? The gallium might need changed out every couple seasons due to impurities?
BingoBoingo: benkay: My setup looks like that unsee.cc pic I linked to fluffypony
BingoBoingo: At least it does on the portable.
[]bot: Bet created: "Belgium to make Round of 16 at 2014 World Cup" http://bitbet.us/bet/889/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.238 = 0.476 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.239 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: also helps to remember that this 'gold' is approximately as abundant as lead in the earth's crust. but, considerably more energy-costly to extract (byproduct of Al refinement)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course, in that way it is like silver, but with a more predictable extraction rate.
asciilifeform: predictable until some bozo starts buying by the megaton.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.23996553 = 1.4398 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suggested it as 'coin' simply as thought experiment in generalizing the 'use-value' of btc. that is, material that cannot be confused with anything else (Hg, for instance, on top of being rather common, can be substituted with 'gallinstan' alloy. but you can't raise melting point of Ga by mixing in impurities - only lower it)
[]bot: Bet created: "Bayern beats Major League Soccer" http://bitbet.us/bet/890/
asciilifeform: a NdFeB or SmCo magnet would likewise make a very 'solid' coin, from that perspective
asciilifeform: testable as genuine with a dollar's worth of gear.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.02999999 = 0.9 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: no need to weigh it, even
asciilifeform: just squeeze it into a size/depth gauge and determine 'pull'
asciilifeform: don't keep these 'coins' with your bank cards...
[]bot: Bet created: "Clint Dempsey wins MLS MVP" http://bitbet.us/bet/891/
mike_c: hashfast ceo one month ago: "I joined this company a month ago because the team is amazing and we are not scammers"
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mike_c: today: "we're bankrupt. I'm outta here"
asciilifeform: speaking of NdFeB: turns out one can now get man-portable, cryogen-free nmr machines based on rare earth magnet. 20k usd or so, used.
asciilifeform: never mix up red and blue pill again...
Namworld: Those coins would shatter easily and be kinda troublesome.
Namworld: NMR machine?
benkay: ah, ty BingoBoingo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.024 = 0.216 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.02390713 = 0.3108 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.02380399 = 0.3571 BTC [-] {3}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07000001 = 0.7 BTC [-]
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atcbot: 2k@270 2k@269 20k@265 | 3k@144 50k@143 175k@142
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: scio << classic kickstarturd
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's diginork's link. If such a kickstarter succeeded I wouldn't trust it to identify interesting things...
[]bot: Bet created: "Andy Murray to win Wimbledon 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/894/
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the claim of protein/fat content through surface ir spectroscopy is truly precious.
dignork: it would probably differentiate metal from stone, usability close to zero, but amusing
asciilifeform: how does anyone fall for this garbage ?
asciilifeform: don't they make anyone use actual ir spectrometer in school now?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is one concern. The other is identifying tylenol through the tablet's way?
asciilifeform: i didn't see mortar/pestle in the photo, sorta assumed it must've been there
BingoBoingo: Even then, I'd expect it to report a lot of cornstarch, stearate and lipid esters
asciilifeform: the sad part is, 'cyranose' (1990s product based on an oddball solid state gas column) actually worked.
asciilifeform: locked up in patent purgatory to this day, afaik
assbot: Bacteria classification using Cyranose 320 electronic nose
asciilifeform: seems like the homeland seekoority bozos might've swallowed it.
BingoBoingo: Even supposing the thing identifies tylenol it isn't identifying any interesting high molecular weight compounds
asciilifeform: anyone who buys a berth on mp's 'we piss on patents' atomic battleship should give 'cyranose' a thought.
assbot: Coinalytics
mike_c: you guys need to start taking the right decisions.
los_pantalones: take a discripined decision
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14988 @ 0.00085128 = 12.759 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 106 @ 0.0505008 = 5.3531 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00085154 = 5.237 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0707999 = 0.2124 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.0008508 = 8.0826 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.00227926 = 0.1003 BTC [+]
benkay: lol that email form
benkay: that designer is fired.
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benkay: too clever. not usable.
mike_c: don't be stuck in the 90's. usability should never trump slick design.
benkay: graceful...nevermind.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9877 @ 0.00085171 = 8.4123 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.028 = 2.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.02999999 = 0.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.0008508 = 8.9759 BTC [-]
jurov: technetium coins for sale! buy while still fresh!
jurov: ...technetium alloy cut with gold and palladium would be perfect for
jurov: high-value coinage. “Hard, bright, untarnishable and rare, it would be the
jurov: numismatist’s answer to diamond, for such a coin might last nearly forever.”
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.028 = 1.4 BTC [-]
jurov googled shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.028 = 1.4 BTC [-]
benkay: moar
benkay: coffee
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.02383737 = 0.3099 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0707999 = 1.416 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: silent as fuck today
thestringpuller: something big about to go down ain't it?
benkay: get back to your pomodoros ;)
mike_c: everybody's behind schedule.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: something big about to go down << mp did mention preparing some new thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 301 @ 0.00047635 = 0.1434 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: jurov: technetium coin << afaik, fiction. but, idea.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0238 = 0.1666 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 14 @ 0.08888 = 1.2443 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 12 @ 0.08 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.08 = 0.4 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.08 = 0.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 32 @ 0.08 = 2.56 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [-]
mike_c: pop quiz (no cheating). name a company with mkt cap > $200b and p/e > 20.
mircea_popescu: exxon is over 200bn fo sho
mike_c: pe = 14
mircea_popescu: was more like 4 iirc
mike_c: challenging, right? these companies shouldn't exist.
mircea_popescu: how about the china oil corp ?
mircea_popescu: w/e it was called
mircea_popescu: also icbc maybe
mike_c: far as i can tell china companies have crappy pe's.
mike_c: google is the one that got me looking.
mike_c: $380b at a fking 30 p/e
mike_c: others are proctor/gamble, novartis, and royal dutch.
mircea_popescu: no look, petrochina : 130bn net over 1 trn equity
mike_c: hm, the petrochina ADR i see has $225b cap and pe 11
mircea_popescu: i see goog actual at 15.3 pe
mircea_popescu: what figures exactly are you working on ?
mircea_popescu: Diluted EPS Excluding Extraordinary Items 5.33 trading 560ish
mircea_popescu: anyway, petrochina is ptr on nyse
mike_c: ;;calc 560 / (5.34 * 4)
gribble: 26.2172284644
mike_c: unless my math is borked, that is a hefty pe for a company that big.
mircea_popescu: trading 120ish, Diluted Normalized EPS 0.19 mrq
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 120 / 4 / .19
gribble: 157.894736842
mircea_popescu: 157 pe there you go
cazalla: i don't think there are any australian ones, i think BHP Billiton has cap of like 50-60b
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4397 @ 0.00085204 = 3.7464 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and icbc is actually listed... on the fucking pink sheets. idcby
mike_c: where yo ugetting that number? i see PTR mrq is 2.92 eps
mike_c: ;;calc 120 / (2.92 *4)
gribble: 10.2739726027
assbot: Financial Statements for PetroChina Company Limited (ADR) - Google Finance
mircea_popescu: dn eps is the last item on the page
mike_c: that number is wrong i believe
BingoBoingo: OMG It's another LABCOIN!!! Amazing Petro!!!
mircea_popescu: i still can't quite believe icbc is listed as a pink wtf bbq
mircea_popescu: thing has like half a million emplouyees all over theworld.
mike_c: yeah, google's out to fucking lunch. that number is wrong
mircea_popescu: mike_c maybe their own numbers are wrong too then ? :D
mike_c: look at the summary at the top. 22b shares * $123 = $225b mkt cap??
mike_c: that's some fuzzy math
mircea_popescu: i think they use an avg
mircea_popescu: 123 is last close orsomething
BingoBoingo: I'm telling you they hired Armandi to be their shadow CEO
mike_c: 22b * $123 = $2.5 T. that is pretty far off
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.08697123 = 0.6958 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 225 / 22
gribble: 10.2272727273
mike_c: see? they added a zero.
mike_c: google: 0 mike: 1
mircea_popescu: net 73,461 ; 0.21 d eps.
mircea_popescu: so there. this is a definite.
mike_c: right, but what is $123 in yuan
mthreat: mike_c: AMZN is close, $150B cap, 520 PE
mike_c: your definite is in some other currency.
mircea_popescu: the 0.21 d eps is in RMB yuans
mircea_popescu: and iut's been trading at about 12.83 usd/share on otc
mircea_popescu: (aka 80 rmb)
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 80 / 4 / .21
gribble: 95.2380952381
mircea_popescu: there. 95.
mike_c: ok, so icbc is on the list then.
mike_c: sell that one too
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't.
mircea_popescu: it's owned by the chinese govt, and a tool of its foreign policy.
mircea_popescu: a rather close approximation of mpex, for that matter.
mike_c: sell gazprom as well
mircea_popescu: you're young and therefore naive :)
mike_c: look, idk wtf goes on in china. i'm just saying, dump GOOG, PG, novartis and royal dutch.
mircea_popescu: goog i can see. novartis maybe. royal dutch no.
mike_c: well nobody actually sells oil companies
mircea_popescu: and the chinese/russian/etc royal entreprises no, either.
mircea_popescu: not unless you're a sovereign yourself, ready able and willing to go to war with the sovereigns backing them
mike_c: gimme a year
mircea_popescu: so maybe you sell them in a year then.
mike_c: :) plus, i actually hold some PG and i ain't selling that either.
mike_c: everybody needs toothpaste
mircea_popescu: im actually mildly short on us crapola, from google to the rest of the "Tech" sector.
mike_c: aapl is under $100 now! totally a good reason for the stock to shoot up 20%!
mircea_popescu: yeah, right, because that's how it works.
mike_c: mthreat: amzn doesn't count, they aren't trying to make money.
mircea_popescu: hm, come to think of it, perhaps it could be argued im not even THAT mildly short. i'm like 600k in against brk publicly
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fluffypony: usagi confuses me
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fluffypony: "And yes, as I mentioned quite a number of times, not only do we have off-site backups I am mirroring daily backups to a Synology DS-4 I keep in my office."
fluffypony: if he had/has off-site backups why even bother posting in the first place?
dub: one does not understand a usagi
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you spend entirely too much time on usagi.
dub: ^
mircea_popescu: take blondie out, at least she's ACTUALLY female.
fluffypony: hah hah
mircea_popescu: anyway, he doesn't have an office, he worked as a sort of that-fat--and-gay-guy-in-high-fidelity
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mircea_popescu: !up cryptoflood
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BingoBoingo: fluffypony: You have to realize arguing with Usagi is worthless. He has too many aspersation to experience any sort of self examination.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: hashfast ceo one month ago: "I joined this company a month ago because the team is amazing and we are not scammers" | today: "we're bankrupt. I'm outta here" << fucking exactly.
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mircea_popescu: and on top of it, they get all butthurt when they're treated to a heapful of stfu and go read the logs for a year on the FIRST announcement.
mike_c: well, they know better
mircea_popescu: ya right. and who even told eduardo decastro he can be a ceo anyway.
BingoBoingo: Maybe we should start selling canned STFU.
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mircea_popescu: Namworld: Those coins would shatter easily and be kinda troublesome. << yeah the shatter factor is a problem. also, god help you if you're trying to carry say a 20 lb bag of them in the street.
mircea_popescu: well... on the optimistic side... you'll prolly have no trouble catching the bus.
mircea_popescu: "Based on a statistical analysis of the recovered passwords, Hýža constructed two character sets that stood the best chance of quickly cracking the remaining undeciphered passcodes. The shorter of the two contained just 28 characters: acdehiklmnorstu01234579!-.@_"
mircea_popescu: as to why humans make shitty rngs
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2014#712142 yet "11,665 Backers $2,480,795 pledged of $200,000 goal 4 days to go"
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: curious what sort of magic kickstarter can turn out of 2.5mn
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: don't they make anyone use actual ir spectrometer in school now? << no. because it'd be racist.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: anyone who buys a berth on mp's 'we piss on patents' atomic battleship should give 'cyranose' a thought. << this is a good point actually.
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mircea_popescu: "Coinalytics receives seed funding as one of 500 Startups first Bitcoin ventures"
mircea_popescu: mike_c:everybody's behind schedule. < :D
mike_c: except me of course, i'm just naturally quiet.
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mircea_popescu: ahhh history.
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mircea_popescu: this is an article about the black monday, which you're prolly mostly too young to remember.
mircea_popescu: about 4% of the monetary mass in circulation sold out, bitcoin dropped from 5.3 to 4.5, and people were in agreeemnt that it's prolly the end
mircea_popescu: "all high volume is on red candles, forget it" etc
BingoBoingo: Wait, Sal Inglesa
BingoBoingo: mircea_inglesa: I have a feeling the Argentines are going to start refering to Bitcoin as Money Inglesa before too long...
mircea_popescu: it would not surprise me.
mircea_popescu: crypto inglesa
mthreat: mircea_popescu: I've heard (unverified) that there is some law about requiring sale of condoms in bathrooms here
mircea_popescu: mthreat wait, what ?!
mircea_popescu: dude the fucking weird laws they have, texas is nothing compared
BingoBoingo: Crypto Inglesa sounds more like GPG
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no that's correo inglesa
mthreat: mircea_popescu: even the women's bathrooms often have condom machines
mthreat: again, unverified
mircea_popescu: mthreat no even there. us condom dispenser machines are in girl's bathrooms too
mircea_popescu: i think i even have pics published on trilema somewhere of this in san antonio tx
BingoBoingo: Ah, Texas has some weird laws... I don't think it is legal for a Texan to make eye contact with a Steer and not offer it a handjob.
mthreat: i've seen them in texas, but i'm not aware of any law there
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone's aware of what the laws are, in texas :D
BingoBoingo: One of the things I miss about Missouri was its general lack of laws
BingoBoingo: I thank the Busch dynasty for that (Beer Busches, not politics Bushes)
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BingoBoingo: Were we still looking at the back part of July?
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mircea_popescu: ok so i ended up picking a link from someone in here and writing a fucking important and grandiose piece.
mircea_popescu: god i love this chan
mircea_popescu: (it's not done yet, but should be in a coupla hours)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what are you using that has 'll' ? unix system V ?
asciilifeform: (mentioned in footnote to 'strange things people think')
asciilifeform: ... minix ?
mircea_popescu: dude srsly ? fucking ubuntu has ll. debian has ll.
mircea_popescu: what doesn't have ll
mircea_popescu: why not ? ls sucks
asciilifeform: (to be fair, if i didn't build it from src, it's not here)
mircea_popescu: (it's just an alias for ls -l you know)
asciilifeform: a little retro
mircea_popescu: well ya.
mircea_popescu: ls should be -l by default anyway.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is that cat any closer to being tamed?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the requirement was to know what it does. you proposing bar too high ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cat is the ways she likes, wild, free
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: All you need to do is move it to being wild, free, and attuned to your air defense needs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: battleship where they piss on patents: there is a smart and a foolish way to do this. the latter - e.g. ussr, where my father and countless other folks copied consumer gizmos from the west. smart way: develop tech that was entombed in patent hell in the west and never really hatched
mike_c: trippy. imma go throw up now. http://amiagoodperson.tumblr.com/
assbot: am i really a good person?
asciilifeform: e.g. electric nose, retinal projection display, various biological strange
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe
mircea_popescu: it's a complex problem
asciilifeform: more examples - anything to do with wavelets
asciilifeform: one could make a tedious list
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BingoBoingo wonders if Yarvin will revise the Urbit metaphor again when Bitcoin becomes a Naval power...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: urbit belongs to rupture farms (or whatever that vc outfit was called) now
BingoBoingo: Imagined Urbit Progression: Feudalism >> Flotilla >> Trucking Company >> Single Toyota Hillux >> Truckstop Bathroom >> Condom on the floor of said bathroom >> Semen in the Condom >> AIDs
asciilifeform: ^ yarvin as a kid, when he was more fun
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asciilifeform: ^ ditto
BingoBoingo: Interesting that web archeology is a big enough project that there can now be subject specialists.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: actually moldbug/yarvin 'came out of the closet' when he bragged about inventing address space randomization in an obscure paper as an undergrad
asciilifeform: circa... 2009?
asciilifeform: that narrowed the candidate list to 1.
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asciilifeform: at least that's when i (not acquainted with the man personally) learned the truth
BingoBoingo: Interesting how this works.
asciilifeform: that's when i realized that talking about anything worthwhile under a 'tight' alias is arduous to the degree that it's probably not worth it
asciilifeform: folks who do this for a living (e.g. spying) come with 'cover' biographies and essentially live the life of an actor
asciilifeform: and then understand that you can't use actual life experiences, etc. in conversation
asciilifeform: not worth it unless you're paid for the sweat (or perhaps half a step ahead of the gasenwagen...)
asciilifeform: going back to mr mold:
asciilifeform: 'Sacco and Vanzetti came up with an entirely different solution to the slow-MMU problem, one which if I do say so myself was less imaginative than mine, but both more general and more practical. They published theirs in a real conference, received much acclaim for it, and I believe patented it, started a so-called company and eventually sold it to Microsoft.'
asciilifeform: 'At some point during this period, however, I realized that the entire problem was a complete and utter pseudo-problem. ... So I am very confident that neither of these techniques, neither mine nor Sacco and Vanzetti's, has ever been used in practice. There is no need for them, there has never been any need for them, and there will never be any need for them. And this was quite obvious in 1993.'
asciilifeform: 'My Navrozov moment, of course, was when I approached one of the two - Sacco, I think - and attempted to have an intellectual discussion of this realization. The story is basically the same as Navrozov's, so it would be boring to repeat, but basically I came away with the feeling that I'd told someone his Sicilian grandmother liked to get drunk and fuck her own goats.'
asciilifeform: 'Which, in fact, I had. Because I'd essentially told him his research was fraudulent. The fact that my research was also fraudulent, and that neither of ours was particularly noteworthy in that regard, did not matter. And why should it? Others' crimes cannot excuse your own.'
asciilifeform: (end of mega-quote.)
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asciilifeform: ^ the piece in question
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> that's when i realized that talking about anything worthwhile under a 'tight' alias is arduous to the degree that it's probably not worth it <<
mircea_popescu: similarly, managing noise levels in your building is not something you do anonymously.
asciilifeform: 'tight' understood to mean, actually making an effort to conceal your human name
mircea_popescu: anyway, no research is ever fraudulent.
benkay: oh yeah. when neighbors act up, i go over in my underoos and say "hi. please stop."
mircea_popescu: the historyof nonsense is still scholarship
mircea_popescu: one just has to be jewish enough about it.
BingoBoingo: I like my current level of OL vs. IRL identity taint which is nearly complete, but maintained because I like it and it keep sthe lowest nags away.
mircea_popescu: benkay 300 dollar shirt, no underwear works better.
asciilifeform: 300 dollar shirt << chain mail?
BingoBoingo: I've heard... cycling my Mossberg tends to quiet the neighborhood from third hand reports...
asciilifeform: what other shirt has 'obvious' price
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: W-metal shirt
BingoBoingo: Or Z-weighted shirt
BingoBoingo actually fancies the eventual acquisition of z-weighted storm shutters.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, wind storms are a thing here and... should a hot war start with a nuclear power... I live all to close to Air Mobility command atm to count on these plastic window blinds to save me from radiation poisoning while I wait out the initial fallout's decay.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: notice that the folks who are forced to live 'in a target' on account of their profession, have rather different nukefest preparations than the crap traditionally suggested to commoners
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: all others - if they can afford it, live elsewhere, rather than building bunkers, investing in chemsuits, escape vehicles
asciilifeform: a fine example, actually, of solving wrong engineering problem
asciilifeform: consider, likewise, the infamous 'suit for surviving bear attack'
asciilifeform: most people, at least, have the sense to solve the latter problem another way.
BingoBoingo: Bunkers and chemsuits would be a bit much here. It's not that close and the wind tend to be favorable... I'm more concerned about the windstorms, but if I'm protecting against that unlike the neighbors buying new windows might as well find a solution that offers utility in a few more situations.
BingoBoingo: I mean unless Russian and Chinese missile guidance is that shitty... Then... I'm fucked...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: russian rockets are traditionally specced to the 'texas sharpshooter' method
asciilifeform: and thus off by 200+km without fail
benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay 300 dollar shirt, no underwear works better. // by the time i feel okay about buying 300 dollar shirts, i hopefully can delegate the harrasment of neighbors.
benkay: (as well)
asciilifeform: can't speak for the chicoms. but, given as their machines are more recent, perhaps they do the obvious thing - targeting the loud, unmistakeable radio-cacophony of the target
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I was kind of hoping the Russianmilitary reforms from Georgia to Crimea would have also been evidenced in the missile fleet...
BingoBoingo: So... I could be fucked both ways... Loud radio caucophany is my anti-tempest strategy...
asciilifeform: radio-seeking guidance is sop even now.
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benkay: see, cascadia's full of rad old coots
asciilifeform: (for short-range rockets)
BingoBoingo: Yeah, US has been using it against any afghan with a Sat phone.
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asciilifeform: a tale was once told to me by one fellow 'in the know': russia sold gps jammers (serious ones, not the chinese pocket gizmos off ebay) to iraq, shortly prior to '03 american invasion. but iraq didn't pay the full invoice. so, the vendor neglected to remind the buyer that they must be arranged in a ring pattern and operated in unison
asciilifeform: so they all got rocketed.
asciilifeform: (triangulation)
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BingoBoingo: Ah, the if Oracle was a Defense Contractor strategy............ =====
mircea_popescu: <benkay> <mircea_popescu> benkay 300 dollar shirt, no underwear works better. // by the time i feel okay about buying 300 dollar shirts, i hopefully can delegate the harrasment of neighbors. << and peeing ?
asciilifeform: on battleship, harass neighbours with... exocets
BingoBoingo: Unless the neighbors are British... They probably have countermeasures for that by now...
dub: benkay reinforces another jew stereotype
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there can be countermeasure against 1,2,3... but not five. see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014&bots=true#488932
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mircea_popescu: !up rmerritt
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> a tale was once told to me by one fellow 'in the know': russia sold gps jammers (serious ones, not the chinese pocket gizmos off ebay) to iraq, shortly prior to '03 american invasion. but iraq didn't pay the full invoice. so, the vendor neglected to remind the buyer that they must be arranged in a ring pattern and operated in unison << i heard the same story passed off as successful intel mission, stole
mircea_popescu: the crucial bit of spec, rendered whole thing useless.
mike_c: what does ring pattern have to do with it? HARM busts up jammers regardless I thought
mike_c: just homes in on strongest source.
asciilifeform: mike_c: consider the question of how one finds the strongest source.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'm guessing you never got the Radio merit badge in the Boyu Scouts?
mike_c: i did not.
mircea_popescu: mike_c if properly geometrically spaced the harm misses
mike_c: what, it plunks in the middle?
mircea_popescu: sort-of yea
asciilifeform: beauty is, you can now do experiment (vs gedankenexperiment) yourself, just need ~$100 and local computer junk shop
mike_c: and a HARM
asciilifeform: buy 'wifi' locator keychain and a box of old routers.
mircea_popescu: mike_c just the seeking part.
mircea_popescu: diy, 50 bux
mircea_popescu: or yeah i guess asciilifeform's version is even better.
mike_c: well, there is the other easy way to hose gps jammers.
mike_c: as long as you know which way is up..
mike_c: ignore signals from down.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: tale: take with requisite grain of whatever salt, it was told by a russian
asciilifeform: !up jborkl
jborkl: Thank you
mircea_popescu: mike_c you can't always identify directionality like that
mike_c: not always, but when you are designing for it you can.
asciilifeform: mike_c: clouds - moon, if you want! are... reflective.
asciilifeform: if you need, it can 'come from down'
mircea_popescu: mike_c not only the ionosphere reflects, but
BingoBoingo: And it must be remembered "ring does not necessarily mean 1 ring or centered rings
mircea_popescu: plenty of times the sattelites will be under your horizon
asciilifeform: signal from the genuine gps sat is... below thermal noise.
asciilifeform: (how do we pick it up? open a textbook, pll...)
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> signal from the genuine gps sat is... below thermal noise. << exactly, and directionality is w-expensive.
BingoBoingo: Subtly move the center of the complex from the 1337 command center to the squash court
asciilifeform: gps would be worth very little if you could only use the signal that is 'up'
asciilifeform: think about it
jborkl: My server has been at 70k kbps for the last 24 hours
jborkl: Not sure if it is traffic or ?
mircea_popescu: jborkl welcome to the internet.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 7000 * 3600 * 24 / (1024 ** 3)
gribble: 0.563263893127
asciilifeform: jborkl: 'tcpdump', 'wireshark', etc
mike_c: asciilifeform: i am thinking. but i believe this problem has been worked on over the years. like with stronger gps sats, no?
mircea_popescu: mike_c sort-of. obviously it's an endless battle etc. but it's not nearly as lopsided as you seem to think.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: GPS sats only get so strong. Most "GPS" relies on indigenous signals to achieve a finer resolution
mike_c: i think it wasn't that lopsided in operation saddam
mike_c: but i think it is now
asciilifeform: mike_c: there are practical limits for electrical supply in orbit. (russia launched reactors, pissing on treaties, for this reason)
mircea_popescu: mike_c actually the 2nd gulf war was probably the pinacle of us military tech advantage
mircea_popescu: and i'll be it'll never be reached again in the lifetime of that republic.
BingoBoingo: Most under rated turn of the century film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0186566/
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mircea_popescu: it certainly isn't nowhere near today.
asciilifeform: modern rocket men have taken an interest in terrain tracking, gravimetric maps, etc. - things the opponent can't jam
asciilifeform: for this reason.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform meanwhile opponent is researching how to fuck with the [measured] gravity
mircea_popescu: also for this reason
BingoBoingo: And the US is abandoning it's premier attack aircraft...
mike_c: yeah but we got lots of uav's
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the chinese extremely heavy investment in cheap, easy to deploy, rocket defenses and the way research has been going, it's quite clear we're entering another pikeman phase.
asciilifeform: obligatory:
asciilifeform: ;;google you and the atomic bomb
gribble: George Orwell: You and the Atomic Bomb: <http://orwell.ru/library/articles/ABomb/english/e_abomb>; Orwell's 5 greatest essays: No. 4, "You and the Atomic Bomb" - Los ...: <http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/05/business/la-fi-mh-orwells-atomic-20131104>; Fifty Orwell Essays - Project Gutenberg Australia: <http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300011h.html>
BingoBoingo: The pikeman phase was my least favorite part of Civ II
BingoBoingo: Unless facing Ghandi when it becomes the nuclear age.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in actual history it wasn't so bad.
BingoBoingo: Ghandi was just a Brown Edward Teller
mircea_popescu: problem is civ was written from a broken (french revolutionary) pov.
mircea_popescu: were you born in a less dumb culture it'd have been more pleasant.
asciilifeform: gotta pity the kid who learns history from 'civilopaedia'
mircea_popescu: you mean everyone on reddit ?
asciilifeform: 'i built Woman's Suffrage, can now research Atomic Power !'
BingoBoingo: Well, I eventually started playing Civ with the aim of maintaining an Iberian City state and nothing else...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this may then be relevant to your interests :
asciilifeform started and ended with civ-1
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mircea_popescu: me single town owning world.
mircea_popescu: shit sorry wrong link
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Never had access to the civilopedia... Civ II was the only Civ at walmart and I was running a 486 at the time
mircea_popescu: wasn;t it in game ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, 70k gold +1k per turn. sexy!
asciilifeform: mine was an ascii turd that came with the warez.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It was in game, but... beyond my ability to load... Even Windows software back then was modular enough the rest of the game worked.
mircea_popescu: nice huh
BingoBoingo: That is a beautiful situation you fell into
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BingoBoingo: Another thing I loved about the early civ games was "customizing" the sprites and rules.
asciilifeform played as barbarians...
asciilifeform ashamed, probably spent more time patching games than playing
BingoBoingo: Nothing to be ashamed of. The thing is back then, that was the fun.
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BingoBoingo: rules.txt has to be one of my top 5 favorite files of all time
jborkl: So I am guessing I am getting ddos ? My CDN also says it served 200mb today. I will have to use tcpdump tomorrow
jborkl: And see what's up
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: speaking of radio triangulation, cryptome is back - with: http://cryptome.org/2014/06/dea-nsa-sandkey.pdf
asciilifeform: (summary: fellow read 'the mice' or likewise woke up, pessimist)
BingoBoingo: Wait, drug trafickers use voice on VHF? not Morse plus One time pad?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sit down for this one. they don't use pgp either...
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mircea_popescu: trilema serves 5gb a day on average. maybe you're just becoming famous ?
BingoBoingo: Fuck... If Farc catches me... I might get an actual IT job.
jborkl: Well I guess that is what I am trying to figure out
asciilifeform: 'But maybe "computer" is the wrong word. It's actually an iron box with a padlock. Also known as a computer whose security model is simple enough to understand and whose operating system is known completely enough to trust.'
mircea_popescu: so grep the log for unique ips
benkay: <BingoBoingo> Fuck... If Farc catches me... I might get an actual IT job. // worse things could happen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still with the fucking pdfs. anything good in that sandkey thing ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo more or less summarized the one interesting gibblet
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there was talk a few yrs ago (russian) regarding a mesh net built on modern radio hardware in mexican mountains. supposedly destroyed (via agenture methods, no fancy tech)
benkay: ;;google agenture
gribble: Agenture apparel manufacturing, Bestbase group | LinkedIn: <http://www.linkedin.com/company/agenture-hk>; Gabay-agenture.net: <http://gabay-agenture.net/>; Agenture Cortese « KOOPmedia: <http://www.koopmedia.nl/index.php/agenture-cortese/>
asciilifeform: benkay: 'humint' to english folks
benkay: no need to apologize for my poor education
BingoBoingo: -assets, where crackpots become spies
benkay: agenture - huh, as in the acts of agents?
asciilifeform: as in, recruiting traitors
asciilifeform: (what the word 'spy' means to folks who actually earn their bread by spying)
BingoBoingo: Oh, that was an interesting link to cause Firefox to crash...
asciilifeform: stack trace?
asciilifeform: or BingoBoingo doesn't like money
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: How do I get a stack trace?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: your favourite debugger
BingoBoingo: You have to remember, Librarian... HTML and twitter were what we called technology
asciilifeform: if on linux box, check syslog
BingoBoingo: Explain this to me like I'm Usagi
BingoBoingo: !up jborkl
asciilifeform: re: humint: intro textbook:
assbot: NEKAKA - Download File - spies.pdf
dub: type> dmesg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0709 = 0.1418 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: ^ ignore the sensational cover, it's a pretty good schoolbook
benkay: downloading, but it's definitely going in below the Hathaway letters.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mozilla crash report, dmesg about to go in dpaste https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/ef1152b5-3111-4239-a51b-0065c2140611
assbot: [@ SetStyleSheetReference] - Firefox 29.0 Crash Report - Report ID: ef1152b5-3111-4239-a51b-0065c2140611
diametric: asciilifeform: you're still online, so i take it you didn't drown today
asciilifeform: diametric: nope. but front yard kinda dissolved.
asciilifeform experienced drowned computers one and only time - on 2nd floor of a gigantic office park. no prizes for guessing how
BingoBoingo: Fuck, why is Nigbuntu still running on any of my machines.
asciilifeform: (fire alarm, flooders)
BingoBoingo: NIGbuntu is trying to tell me I don't have any system logger
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diametric: nigbuntu?
BingoBoingo: diametric: That's it's name nao.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can I trust you if I send you this machine's Var partition all GPG'd up somehow?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afraid you're on your own for this one, my hands are full
asciilifeform: but it's a good educational exercise.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ask diametric perhaps
asciilifeform: or put a bounty.
diametric: use truecrypt. hehehehe
BingoBoingo: Or... this SSD is getting up there in years... Might be time to get a barrel...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try magnesium
BingoBoingo: A bit of anthracite and oak should get NAND up to adequate temperatures.
asciilifeform: in glass jar (outdoor, just in case.) see if you can get the stoichiometry of air in jar and Mg right
BingoBoingo: But... How do I cook porksteaks on a Jar...
asciilifeform: (recall the old-fashioned camera flash bulbs)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo has an odd penchant for eating byproducts of combusting strange
BingoBoingo: It makes me stronger in death... I shall not decompose...
asciilifeform: [insert the tired old mozart joke here]
BingoBoingo: Or Bentham...
asciilifeform: ;;google mozart decomposing
gribble: "Mozart: Decomposing Since 1791." - Threadless.com - Best t-shirts ...: <https://www.threadless.com/product/2552/Mozart_Decomposing_Since_1791>; Musician Jokes - A Joke a Day: <http://www.ajokeaday.com/Clasificacion.asp?ID=59>; Mozart Decomposing: Musician Jokes at Jokes.Net: <http://www.jokes.net/mozartdecomposing.htm>
BingoBoingo: So for purposes where linux is not readily replaced by a BSD I might need a new flavor. Is gentoo the consensus sane choice?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: forget consensus
BingoBoingo: That's a good point.
asciilifeform: i personally like gentoo because i'm a *bsd exile.
asciilifeform: your mileage may vary.
benkay: what exiled you from bsd?
asciilifeform: hardware support
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell ThickasTheives Altcoin is holding me back.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: gentoo is arguably a 'bad life decision' - like the folks who insist on bicycle for commuting
BingoBoingo: I'm also wondering did firefox crash because of tabs or because of Cryptome. Cryptome crashing Firefox seems like a sloppy thing, but then aain they passed Snowden on the background check
asciilifeform: you'll have problems you never knew existed - in exchange for various plus
dub: ff crashed because ff
BingoBoingo: I embrace bad life decisions like that. I detest Bicycles though because they endager nerves that are too valuable...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo - understand that not all crashes are exploitable
BingoBoingo: ANd instead drive a plastic car.
asciilifeform: the choice of what kind of wheeled coffin to perish in is an intensely personal matter...
BingoBoingo: It isn't just that it crashed, it is that it can't copy /var into a .tar.gz in a timely manner.
BingoBoingo: Even if it isn't exploited it sucks around the edges.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hanging on locked file?
Namworld: At last. Each time I tried to reconnect I was disconnected after like 1 second.
BingoBoingo: Nah, hanging, because blocking itself in a controlled way. One core is at 100% the other lazing like usual.
benkay: wb Namworld
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re: choice of softs: helps to sit and think about what you actually want from the machine, other than heating the room
asciilifeform: (not only about what you don't want)
BingoBoingo: Hmmm... OpenSolaris has a Linux compatibility layer and I like CDE... Never tried it on the Portable yet...
BingoBoingo: Imma drink moar and think about it.
asciilifeform: for a masochist - minix...
asciilifeform: ;;google men were men and wrote own device drivers
gribble: Linus Torvalds - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds>; Free minix-like kernel sources for 386-AT - Google Groups: <https://groups.google.com/d/topic/comp.os.minix/4995SivOl9o>; Linux Device Drivers, 2nd Edition: Preface - XML.com: <http://www.xml.com/ldd/chapter/book/ch00.html>
BingoBoingo: The problem with Minix is when I read a FAQ and they assume a hypervisor... It's like a girl taking off her panties to release the smell of Candida...
asciilifeform: for unsatisfied masochist - 'menuet'
BingoBoingo: A fool me once sort of deal...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what minix is that? certainly not the one in my schoolbook
BingoBoingo: Minix 3
asciilifeform: wow, never knew it went retarded
asciilifeform: get '1'
decimation: asciilifeform: so I see you tried kicad - that seems to be the latest open source fad cad
asciilifeform: decimation: now if only it... worked
BingoBoingo: I'd confess I'm tempted to run A/UX on this machine in a hypervisor, but... I don't want this channel to assume stockholm syndrome...
decimation: what part failed - the autorouter?
asciilifeform: decimation: it. and the gui (shits snow on the screen)
asciilifeform: i suspect they only test under winblows
asciilifeform: took me a week to get it to build, too
decimation: heh. wouldn't suprise me. For some weird reason the only working ee design software runs on windows
decimation: and costs a fortune
asciilifeform: other than cadsoft's. it's rather turdalicious, but usable
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asciilifeform: in electric world, open source sorta never really happened
decimation: back in my undergrad days we used to use orcad on solaris - I'm sure support for that was dropped long ago
asciilifeform: with possible exception of 'magic'
asciilifeform: (vlsi package)
decimation: well, and 5,000 versions of spice, all of which suck
asciilifeform: 'spice' is pretty good for what it is (mechanism for solving unsolvable problem)
decimation: it's just that no one wants to come up with new ideas for the most part. this qucs thing is the only new idea I've heard about in awhile http://qucs.sourceforge.net/
assbot: Qucs project: Quite Universal Circuit Simulator
asciilifeform: used, wasn't particularly impressed
decimation: wrt the autorouter, I think it is well known in the pcb industry that they all suck
asciilifeform: varying degrees of suction
asciilifeform: the difference is not irrelevant in practice
decimation: seems like that problem is due for a really good ai based solver
asciilifeform: e.g. does it 'let you help', or resists valiantly
asciilifeform: due for a really good ai << np-complete. good luck.
decimation: well, many problems are NP-complete yet significant gains have been made
asciilifeform: there are not (and probably cannot be) 'good' autorouter, but there are plenty of terrible ones.
asciilifeform: like kikad's.
decimation: I remember orcad's autorouter was crap back in the day. I would be deeply disappointed to shell out $$$ and have crapware
asciilifeform: decimation: the field suffers from 'golden toilet' problem
BingoBoingo: My this looks so much better (Plz noone try to send me N.vir over client to client)...
asciilifeform: i.e. 100% of users are paying out of someone else's pocket
decimation: yeah that's a good point, that's why the software companies get away with charging $$$ for crapware
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asciilifeform: 'enterprise!'
decimation: "we'll fix it in in the next release, etc"
decimation: Today I went snorkeling in the shadow of Larry Ellison's private island
BingoBoingo: Introduce religion and then bugs become "canon"
decimation: it amazes me that crapware can buy a such real estate
BingoBoingo wonder this if this nest of lies within lies can work on the portable...
asciilifeform: the real nasty re: orcad isn't the cost (leech it) but that you end up in an os with no sane infrastructure (where's grep? etc)
asciilifeform: and condemned to use various cockeyed substitutes provided 'helpfully' by the turdware folk
BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure one of these layers have grep....
asciilifeform: at one point, some years ago, i tried to build the turd intel was passing off as their version of 'open source bios'
asciilifeform: not only did it not build, but the entire tool chain was... winblows
asciilifeform: MB of... .bat script
asciilifeform: and other unspeakables
asciilifeform: if you ever sit and 'my life suxx', consider that people... live with this
BingoBoingo: I have to say I constantly under rate the Sun 5
decimation: from surfing the various VHDL crapware packages, it seems the universal language for automation is... tcl
BingoBoingo: decimation: Blame Sun for Tcl
BingoBoingo: Their promotion of TCL is what pushed them into making and forcing Java
BingoBoingo: And now the world burns
asciilifeform: ask why there is a desert, not why the oasis is a puddle of piss
asciilifeform: (camel gotta piss)
BingoBoingo: Or Maybe just I burn, because I need to rotate this pizza box that has been running for months.
decimation: amazingly, the overlap between those who know how to actually program and those who demand design software is nearly the null set
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
BingoBoingo: Also amazing is how there is no effort to educate people into the overlap
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
decimation: something other than market forces are operating here
asciilifeform: educate whom? the chinese folks graduating from american schools, who will design with a crayon if ordered to?
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asciilifeform: the set of folks who design hardware and actually give a shit about workflow (or their lives) is approximately null.
BingoBoingo: Of course the chinese (and Indian) folks
decimation: about a third of my us ee undergrad class was chinese (like off the boat, not second generation). Most of them couldn't design anything, but they generally aced the math tests
asciilifeform: cad app is one of those cases where a 'proper' solution involves essentially re-creating a smbx box
asciilifeform: on top of whatever os you're stuck with
BingoBoingo: "Smoking rock candy is a great way to gain all the social benefits of meth use with none of the open sores.
assbot: 6 Unexpected Things I Learned From Being a Drug Dealer | Cracked.com
BingoBoingo: Y tu Sun 5
decimation: ascii that is a good insight (lack of engineers caring about their own lives), the irony is that those who are designing hardware generally care an aweful lot about the efficiency of their design target
asciilifeform: (in approximately the same way emacs does)
asciilifeform: decimation: by and large they care about... paycheck
assbot: 6 Works of Propaganda That Backfired in Hilarious Ways | Cracked.com
decimation: ascii as in super mario brothers?
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asciilifeform: decimation: ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.24979999 = 0.9992 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I have a feeling many famous last words begin with "I'm switching to CERN linux, no way the NSA fucks with science..."
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Was it price of principle that kept the symbolics pagemaster from parting with their schematics...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik he's a sworn vassal of the estate. and some bozo bought it.
decimation: What did you mean by "SMBX"?
decimation: ;;google smbx box
gribble: SMBX Tutorial: How to make a message box - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwSWoo00A1U>; SMBX Level Editor Tutorial | Advanced | Layers & Events - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGDBkUBKkQU>; Super Mario Bros X - Cheat Codes - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhm8qwjlPQM>
asciilifeform: symbolics corp.
asciilifeform: used to be on 'nasdaq' as smbx
BingoBoingo: ;;google adam sandler "the price is wrong"
gribble: The Price Is Wrong, Bitch - Happy Gilmore (8/9) Movie CLIP (1996 ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QJiAK-s5a0>; The Price is Wrong - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L6Uz67u4xM>; The Price Is Wrong Bitch GIFs on Giphy: <http://giphy.com/search/the-price-is-wrong-bitch>
decimation: apparently there is a massive demoer scene for super mario brothers X
decimation: goes to show how forgotten symbolics is I guess
asciilifeform: david lives in a little house, generously stocked with parts, and fixes the remaining machines for a modest fee.
asciilifeform: not sure if he has any left to sell these days
asciilifeform: but if he does, and you want one, he'll pick up phone, invite you over.
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asciilifeform: (that's where i got mine)
asciilifeform: the man is in his 80s i think
BingoBoingo: A drive sounds tempting atm, furthest east I;ve been is 'New Harmony" Indiana. I still need to drink on this matter some more.
asciilifeform: the only other 'playing characters' in the outfit are, afaik, a fellow named kalman reti (software support; wrote the x86-64 emu)
asciilifeform: and, of course, the owner.
BingoBoingo: Reti did that beautiful presentation you embeded.
asciilifeform: for some years, it was a new york (?) serial con man, who bought and sold corpses of old companies
asciilifeform: died with millions in debt
asciilifeform: even had artificial heart, bought on a kited cheque
decimation: I wonder if you can run modern emacs on one of those things
asciilifeform: didn't know a thing about computers
decimation: reminds me of that "rabite" guy that MP recently unarchived
BingoBoingo: rabite is a different monster...
asciilifeform: a source that didn't want to be named told me that one dr john mallery (mit) bought it for fire sale price
asciilifeform: after topping (con man) died
asciilifeform: mallery wrote cl-http, infamous for draconian license
asciilifeform: for some years it ran www.whitehouse
BingoBoingo: Rabite's purpose is not correctness, security, or anything else understandable.... Rabit is soley for the lulz.
asciilifeform: mallery is a 'man of wealth and taste', possibly consults for nsa & friends.
decimation: wouldn't be surprising. USG has all kinds of ancient irreplacable computer systems
BingoBoingo: Wealth in itself is nothing without taste.
asciilifeform: what the present-day symbolics corp. is for is not a secret:
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I envy you that Sympolics ended on a high note and Apple outlived its masterpiece the SE/30.
asciilifeform: it brings in a few $10k/yr in maintenance contracts, dated into eternity
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decimation: Interesting. Fort Belvoir. Someone in DoD is a fan of these things
asciilifeform: decimation: if i recall, they do cartography there
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Would you venture to guess at which post of my blog might pass the Mircea OpenBSD one in the next few months?
asciilifeform: can't say that i can
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's my Urbit one. Apparently the Google/NSA complex really dislikes Nock too....
asciilifeform: re: symbolics: if anyone has a $mil or two in their sofa cushions, can probably buy it. but then you'll be conscripted into supporting the ancient contracts.
asciilifeform: it's worth about what a decent restaurant in a small town is.
BingoBoingo: So... $10 mill can piss on the contracts?
asciilifeform: i doubt the contract will be honoured when dks finally succumbs to old age
asciilifeform: there is scarcely anyone left alive who could take his work
decimation: well, $10k per year is hardly worth much. but if one could resurrect the whole project, complete with hardware...
asciilifeform: it's more like 40-50k
BingoBoingo: Can and Can pretend, this distinction enabled the F-35
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unlike the airplane folks, this is a case where the rubber actually hits the road. there's a couple dozen ancient boxes, that cannot be replaced.
asciilifeform: proggys dating to gulf war 1 (at least) for which there will be no substitute
decimation: well, the can be "replaced", FAA style
asciilifeform: AmEx was once the largest customer of smbx
BingoBoingo: Airplanes hit the road as well. I hope I can find a kind Brazillian tribe to adopt a pastie like me when America surrenders the world's only successful CAS plane.
decimation: these people have been "replacing" routing software since the 90's http://hf.tc.faa.gov/projects/stars.htm
assbot: Standard Terminal Automation Replacement System (STARS)
asciilifeform: they sold thousands of surplus boxes when they moved to some 'enterprise' crudware
decimation: this reminds me of the "point of sale" system upgrades I've witnessed at various US bodegas
asciilifeform: (the lisp machines ran a fraud detector heuristic gizmo, afaik the first of its kind.)
decimation: old mainframe based serial terminals - reliable and invulnerable to hackers (at least, at the lowest layers)
BingoBoingo: Also, did anyone else here have reason to learn Ubuntu 12.04 ships without syslogd or rsyslog???
decimation: how could any thinking person consider a winblows interface an 'upgrade'?
decimation: using a mouse on a cash register is going to be demonstrably slower for data entry for one thing
asciilifeform: the way this usually works is that old vendor (say, ibm) either 'end of lifes' or decides to charge a fortune for support
asciilifeform: microshit comes and offers to 'help'
BingoBoingo: decimation: THe use case I find for fancier DE's over wimple wm's is portables. Smaller the machine the more pointy clicky is a benefit.
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decimation: well portable ipad based bodegas or whatever are a corner case. I'm talking about Target
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: on the contrary, using portables as a student is what got me using 'ratpoison'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try using 'clitoral mouse' on the old toshibas, for example
decimation: I wonder if whoever decided to "upgrade" the target POS system to winblows was fired or promoted?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Really. Clitoral mouse pushes me into a left side xfce panel.
BingoBoingo: Cwm makes me want a real keyboard.
decimation: I recently decided to force myself to use emacs for sole text editor, took me about a week to get the movement stuff down. THere's no excuse for a cash register not to be purely keyboard basd
asciilifeform: decimation: nothing like the target corp. 'hack' takes place without the cooperation of managerial traitors
BingoBoingo: decimation: What about bar codes. Reisters are run by tards.
decimation: bar code readers are a trival add-on character device
BingoBoingo: Also.. am I actually drunk or am I coding messages...
decimation: I remember my high school days worked at the local library - used IBM serial terminal with "scan gun" that would insert code at the appropriate spot on the terminal screen
BingoBoingo: And when the hell will Pinay cam girls start shaving...
asciilifeform: decimation: i distinctly recall when the libraries here went winblows
asciilifeform: threw out hundreds of perfectly good ibm green screens
decimation: yeah exactly with great model m style keyboards
decimation: I think unisys bought the main library vendor
BingoBoingo: I still can't fucking believe RDF beat Dublin core.
BingoBoingo: LIke Nigbungu brainwashed everyone.
BingoBoingo: And I have yet to verify a nigger with black skin. I've only met white niggers.
decimation: re: managerial traitors : the problem is that somehow standard criminal and civil liability law doesn't apply for some reason
asciilifeform: decimation: u.s. software industry was essentially exempted from ordinary consumer liability by statute some time in the '80s
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asciilifeform: don't make the mistake of thinking of this as a 'prime mover' though
asciilifeform: the bureaucrats simply bent under the weight of the seemingly inevitable
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BingoBoingo: Eh, come Septemeber one project of mine might consist of making interesting case law. http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/08/inconvenience/
assbot: Inconvenience | Bingo Blog
assbot: Estate of Loretta Fuddy, state health director killed in plane c - Hawaii News Now - KGMB and KHNL
decimation: the burea-tard who signed Obama's birth certificate died in a plane crash (survived the crash but "had irregular heart beat" after 60 minutes in the water)
BingoBoingo: Are there any lawyers in the Illinois bar here? I'd be interested in making contact if so.
asciilifeform: that makes what, 6? 7? 'interesting' people died in private airplanes in the past year or two
asciilifeform: in usa.
decimation: her estate is suing pratt & whittney for not having fixed the "forseeable" problem of the metal fatigue destroying a prop
BingoBoingo: Fuck, I've have never been measured having a "normal" heart beat.
decimation: how the hell does she get the right to sue a real engine maker, yet no one can sue larry ellison (she died not far from his private hawaiian island)
BingoBoingo: Because Pratt is in the engine industry and Ellison is in the problem industry.
BingoBoingo: Also aside from torsades de points no ununsual heart beats are that... rare
asciilifeform: what are they to do - sue the nice folks who put the thermite limpet in the turbine the night before?
decimation: well, "died of cardiac arrythmia" could be more properly stated as "died of being old, fat and out of shape"
BingoBoingo: Some people therapeutically have abnormal heartbeats
asciilifeform: or should they sue the bartender who mixed the a saxitoxin cocktail?
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decimation: yeah no doubt, but those people probably could be identified and treated with various medical devices
BingoBoingo: What devices, hearts are easy to treat pharmaceutically. Hearts are awfully deterministic for organic machines.
decimation: ascii, I'm reluctant to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon because the usg seems unable to accomplish anything "good" very well
decimation: why would they be able to accomplish anything "evil" well?
asciilifeform doesn't own airplane, will probably have to settle for slipping in his bath with a cocked nailgun
decimation: or fall out of a building
asciilifeform: that, etc.
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asciilifeform: at the rate the bureaucrats work, might die of old age. can never get quality service around here!
BingoBoingo: All of those are too obvious vor contemporary assassinations. What about was prescribed too much Vitamin D3?
BingoBoingo: Is no one creative anymore?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bunch of folks in ussr once died from vitamin d overdose. a tank of it was stolen and sold as 'cooking oil' (has roughly the correct appearance and consistency)
BingoBoingo: It does indeed
asciilifeform: interestingly no mention of this on pediwikia
asciilifeform: the case was an interesting one, in that it was initially treated as epidemic
asciilifeform: they ended up having to call in the soviet equivalent of a 'pinkerton' to crack the puzzle
asciilifeform: (what did the corpses have in common)
BingoBoingo: Well, my father liked to see records of how much strontium 90 us younguns got growing up. A few weeks after a med adjustment his heart gave out, but he had great bones...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see also the death of slobodan m.
asciilifeform: (conveniently given the 'opposite' heart rate med shortly before he was to testify)
BingoBoingo: The thing is I would have had no idea until I was accidentallied the pharmacy school's microphone slave.
BingoBoingo: Then again people with ideas are idiots.
BingoBoingo: I seriously wonder what will happen now at the late August court date since... I am not an idiot and the acting DA should not be an idiot and is not inocent.
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BingoBoingo: I mean the Federalk government has all of these weird laws to blow the whistle on.
BingoBoingo: Most people can survive the regime on civilized arrangements.
BingoBoingo: !up justusranvier
BingoBoingo: justusranvier: Plz say your dog is okay.
asciilifeform: i often wonder how many people go to bed every night, with not one nailgun wound, disappointed at their insignificance
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've been dping that since the not at all secret saturday reveal. I am disappoint
asciilifeform: 'i'm still alive, must be a tard'
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