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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: clojure is a vulnerable mess
Mats_cd03: cool features though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16385 @ 0.0008762 = 14.3565 BTC [+]
nubbins`: so essentially it's like a chick with a bunch of piercings
Mats_cd03: like ym
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Looks like the BitBet propositions cue is filling up after hanbot's statement
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 640.0, vol: 22030.74759333 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 628.746, vol: 17125.44899 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 640.6, vol: 31036.24563128 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 642.0, vol: 40.68878697 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 645.123798, vol: 8361.91820000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 632.0, vol: 30.69610392 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 647.268873, vol: 128.12878104 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 638.34298799
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.20999 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 167.05686104 BTC; -0.11497239 BTC (-0.0688%) since last check 13h 31m 22s ago.
thestringpuller: what's the overall ROI on jd mpif account?
BingoBoingo: I think they started with 150 BTC, but I'm not exactly sure.
BingoBoingo: I have a feeling mike_c already curses the existence of f.mpif
thestringpuller: wherefore?
BingoBoingo: Or maybe it's 160 they started with
assbot: A New Investment Fund - Btc Alpha
assbot: Blackhawks Twitter Account Tells Mexican President To Fuck His Mother
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19075 @ 0.00087578 = 16.7055 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: bingo lel
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.209999 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: re: truecrypt audit touching none of the interesting stuff: i thought this was well-known.
benkay: <Mats_cd03> clojure is a vulnerable mess // specifics?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22408 @ 0.0008748 = 19.6025 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03, benkay: jvm.
thestringpuller: nubbins` i needs more arts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00087985 = 20.7645 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Headed to bed, but I'll just suppose now... Maybe the most important May Trilema http://trilema.com/2014/the-instrumentation-of-humanity/
assbot: The instrumentation of humanity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
benkay: Mats_cd03: got tunes?
nubbins`: oh hi
thestringpuller: ;;google shadows childish gambino
gribble: Childish Gambino – II. shadows Lyrics | Rap Genius: <http://rapgenius.com/Childish-gambino-ii-shadows-lyrics>; CHILDISH GAMBINO LYRICS - Shadows - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/childishgambino/shadows.html>; Childish Gambino - Shadows (Directed by : Lizzy Ashliegh) on Vimeo: <http://vimeo.com/83596978>
nubbins`: who was asking about shirts
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: can't figure out a way to get the channel name + freenode in there without making it look like something you bought at a convention
nubbins`: s/bought/were given
nubbins`: but it has a certain mystique as-is
thestringpuller: looks like bitcoin-assets is due for it's own icon?
asciilifeform: re: conundrum from last night: i did find out who was the original maker of ferroresonant transformers - which the box that hummed under classical soviet tvs was copied from.
asciilifeform: outfit called 'SOLA.' still exists.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00087438 = 42.1451 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.21 = 0.63 BTC [+]
assbot: Sola Constant Voltage Transformer Harmonic Neutralized Ferroresonant Conditioner | eBay
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: keep it simple
asciilifeform: apparently i should've asked 'audiophile' fanatics.
asciilifeform: they knew.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu this'd be the pill against your smoking hdd controllers, as i gather.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: audiophiles will say such transformers are ewww
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: on account of the 'bzzzz' or other reason ?
kakobrekla: other
asciilifeform: curious then
kakobrekla: hrm ill try to find the link
nubbins`: ;;sell 1 "Unofficial #bitcoin-assets t-shirt" @ 25 USD "Worldwide shipping included. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx"
assbot: imgur: the simple 404 page
gribble: Order id 20669 created.
nubbins`: can add PGP fingerprint to the back for an extra $5 if people want
kakobrekla: asciilifeform apparently they worry about capacitance
kakobrekla: asciilifeform if you want some snake oil video that presumably explains this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic1DnQ7Uoyw
assbot: Core Audio Technology: Audiophile Power Conditioners + Kenai - YouTube
kakobrekla: not saying this is legit, more saying you shouldnt listen to audiophiles whent it comes down to elect
asciilifeform: listened to it. screw audophiles. bought 'Sola EPC 210-60.'
nubbins`: pseudoscience abounds at the edge of science and consumerism
asciilifeform: 30kg of ferroresonant pleasure.
kakobrekla: your needs are also different.
asciilifeform: just tired of snow crashing pc when neighbours turn on their electric chairs (or whatever it is they've got in basement)
kakobrekla: where dafuq do you live?
kakobrekla: plot twist, ascii is the gasenwagon driver.
asciilifeform: moves into a small house. previously in a flat, where no such problem.
asciilifeform: go figure.
kakobrekla: why do you dislike the ups?
asciilifeform: ups is relay-based. it does entirely nothing except if mains cuts out for 200 msec or so.
asciilifeform: i've one, like everybody else
kakobrekla: or if it drops a bit
kakobrekla: or if it goes over
asciilifeform: for 200msec.
asciilifeform: does nothing against little spikes
asciilifeform: for that you need a soviet-style massive 1:1 transformer
kakobrekla: 200 cant be rigth
asciilifeform: sure it can. wondering why pc doesn't die in 200msec?
asciilifeform: massive capacitors in dc power supply.
kakobrekla: johnnyguru had a nice test of this
kakobrekla: how long does it take for various psu to die
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 567 @ 0.00211298 = 1.1981 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: like half of them didnt live up to atx spec
asciilifeform: who surprised? not me.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 62 @ 0.0235 = 1.457 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: blah cant find the link
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.20148987 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.20104256 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.20104213 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: ok maybe it wasnt johnnguru
assbot: Efficiency and Hold-Up Time | bit-tech.net
kakobrekla: >Recorded Hold-up time. ATX spec recommendation: 17ms
kakobrekla: see them go from 15 to 35
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00088113 = 1.586 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.20134277 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00088113 = 9.0756 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00087835 = 10.8915 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: <mircea_popescu> [00:33:27] jurov, i see you +0.3 btc or so. << so i should value fmpif position at current offering sell price?
jurov: benkay: have you tried sqlalchemy? as soon as one needs to create query programmatically, it's much better than gluing together sql strings
benkay: sqlalchemy's just about makes it doable
benkay: saved me a lot of work recently with simple stuff that works-as-expected like lazily moving the cursor through huge tables integrated with list comprehension in python
benkay: sqlalchemy's like an orm-factory dsl
benkay: i guess i've just had really shitty experiences in picking up a lot of orm/database tangles
benkay: random_cat_: get together again on Tuesday? i'll stick around this time, i promise
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.02360001 = 0.2832 BTC [+]
xmj: yup
jurov: asciilifeform, you say there are no truly online ups on the market (where batteries are always connected to an inverter)?
jurov: nubbins`: does it have bitcoin-assets mention anywhere? but that's prolly up to me to explain heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00087886 = 11.1176 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 625.0, Best ask: 627.4, Bid-ask spread: 2.40000, Last trade: 627.79, 24 hour volume: 22979.84884463, 24 hour low: 613.03, 24 hour high: 683.26, 24 hour vwap: 645.011183151
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 303781 | Current Difficulty: 1.0455720138484837E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 304415 | Next Difficulty In: 634 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 14 hours, 27 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11339302655.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.45071
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.02999997 = 0.45 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13603 @ 0.00088115 = 11.9863 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10124 @ 0.00087829 = 8.8918 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00087829 = 14.3161 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.0008786 = 16.9131 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: "Maybe Kumala could ask for usagi's help, I heard he's quite good with online wallets."
assbot: WARNING: Crypto::stocks currently not allowing withdrawals
fluffypony: pure gold
jurov: gonna ask surda how he's going to write off the loss according to austrian accounting standards, if this gets full gox
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00087711 = 17.5422 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMS > Proof-Of-Chain > @AGX.io
fluffypony: "1. Run clam-qt.exe once to auto-magically create the AppData/Clam folder.
fluffypony: 2. Copy the BTC, LTC or DOGE wallet.dat file into the AppData/Clam folder.
fluffypony: 3. Run clam-qt.exe with the --salvage wallet argument.
fluffypony: OPTIONAL: Enjoy your share of free CLAMS"
fluffypony: so basically, hand your privkeys over, and we promise we'll give you CLAMS
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 380 @ 0.0761436 = 28.9346 BTC [-] {24}
fluffypony: nubbins`: t-shirts look good, why not put "#bitcoin-assets // freenode" on the back?
xmj: make it american apparel, they have good shirts
fluffypony: has anyone played around with hamsterdb as an embedded keyvalue store?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3632 @ 0.00087656 = 3.1837 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up ET__
ET__: hello
ET__: thanks for voicing me
Naphex: regarding truecrypt shutdown, most of the posts regarding it have the same comments, in slightly different writeing spanned across most top posts :o
mircea_popescu: Naphex, you noticed that too huh ?
Naphex: yep
mircea_popescu: usg contractors are getting shittier each year.
mircea_popescu: pretty soon it'll be like soviet government official soap.
mircea_popescu: people use it as an abrasive.
Naphex: heh
Naphex: looks like the same systems the use for elections
mircea_popescu: which is exactly why it's so multistupid : not only it fails for its intended purpose,
mircea_popescu: but it allows cheap diagnosis of the means available for a critical process.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 544 @ 0.00048879 = 0.2659 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00087671 = 8.3287 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2289618 = 0.4579 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation well, the DC part of argentina's "washington dc" is roughly the size of france. it's a huge country. as such, it's upper germania, illyricum, syria, v
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: so essentially it's like a chick with a bunch of piercings << dude that\s tje best description of clojure i ever heard, and you don't even code.
xmj: LOL
mircea_popescu: not for lack of trying, either.
xmj: amazing.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
xmj highfives assbot
mircea_popescu: the curse of neckbeards, to be so fucking incapable of expression that it's upon the innocent bystanders to describe their situation, hopes and aspirations, spiritual being.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: I think they started with 150 BTC, but I'm not exactly sure. << started with 50 then got another 113.change
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 304 @ 0.00214648 = 0.6525 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.22899966 = 1.374 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.229 = 1.374 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: nubbins`:
mircea_popescu: ;;sell 1 "Unofficial #bitcoin-assets t-shirt" @ 25 USD "Worldwide shipping included. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx << you can make it official, what. :D
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
gribble: Error: No closing quotation
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: plot twist, ascii is the gasenwagon driver. << wait i thought ascii was mpoe-pr
mircea_popescu: jurov:<mircea_popescu> [00:33:27] jurov, i see you +0.3 btc or so. << so i should value fmpif position at current offering sell price? << i've used the 30day average. seems reasonable valuation for a held security, but it's not mandatory, you can value whichever way you think reasonable.
mircea_popescu: this being the advantage of having multiple minds involved, for the public, and this is what a liberal profession is : you get to make calls.
jurov: yes, 30d is reasonable. only had some idea, that maybe we need somthing more stable
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 35 @ 0.02992857 = 1.0475 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: since mpif holding itself...
jurov: will fix the stmt
mircea_popescu: well you can use the nav too, just, obviously three weeks in the 3 week old nav is kinda off.
jurov: ic
mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 167.00174924 BTC; -0.05511180 BTC (-0.0330%) since last check 6h 7m 35s ago.
jurov: !t m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 (9529 shares, 2.07 BTC), 30D: 0.0002155 / 0.00021724 / 0.00021726 (120653 shares, 26.21 BTC)
jurov: 0.00021724 is it then
mircea_popescu: gonna ask surda how he's going to write off the loss according to austrian accounting standards, if this gets full gox <<< keep me posted lol
mircea_popescu: "I almost listed something on Cryptostocks, but think I will wait and reassess before I do. What we need as a community is to not accept these low standards of service. "
mircea_popescu: translation : "everyone else should put some work into making sure i don';t need to put any work or thought into doing anything i feel like doingt"
mircea_popescu: you can spot a us citizen a mile away by the way their brain stinks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17176 @ 0.00087777 = 15.0766 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: speaking of "community", I had a charming conversation with my wife yesterday during the 4000 BTC dump
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << doi the graphs stop like a week ago ?
assbot: #bitcoin-assets stats
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 633.84, Best ask: 634.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.98000, Last trade: 634.81, 24 hour volume: 23570.14428586, 24 hour low: 613.03, 24 hour high: 683.26, 24 hour vwap: 644.972670427
fluffypony: she: "why doesn't someone just make a post and say that nobody must sell Bitcoin under $700, and then it will go up over $700?"
mircea_popescu: dump that did nothing, incidentally.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, lol didja link her to mine ?
fluffypony: which one?
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema bitcoin not worth 100 stop buying
gribble: People! Bitcoin is not worth 100+ dollars per. STOP BUYING! - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/people-bitcoin-is-not-worth-100-dollars-per-stop-buying>; MPOE, March 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/mpoe-march-2013-statement>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
fluffypony: nice, sending that to her now
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema in which noobs learn lessons
gribble: In which noobs learn lessons and pay for the privilege pe Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/>; The EVE online noob guide. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/the-eve-online-noob-guide>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
mircea_popescu: send her that, too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00087841 = 10.7166 BTC [+]
assbot: F.MPIF May 2014 marketmaker statement - serialized delusions
fluffypony: I love how the title ends with "serialized delusions"
fluffypony: makes for much confidence :-P
mircea_popescu: serialized title.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00087671 = 7.7589 BTC [-]
jurov: i can always switch it to "The First And Only Exclusive Coolness" shit
mircea_popescu: biggest.
mircea_popescu: don't forget biggest, somehow this matters.
nubbins`: jurov, fluffypony: could have optional "#bitcoin-assets / freenode" etc on the back. i'll skip it for mine :D
fluffypony: and best, please
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why exactly, as mike_c aptly pointed out size and especiallyu outsize is the worst enemy of good financials,
mircea_popescu: but somehow the kids that dream themselves ceos really like BIGGEST
fluffypony: ok nubbins` better idea - how about on the back you put "First. Biggest. Only. Best. Exclusive."
mircea_popescu: or for that mannter Firnly. Biggsive. Onest. Best. Exclusest.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: best description of a vulnerable mess with cool features you ever heard, too. this is because i both used to be into chicks with bunches of piercings, and also write code
mircea_popescu: o, in your youth like ?
nubbins`: hey now, i'm only 32 ;(
nubbins`: ;;view
gribble: #20669 Mon Jun 2 01:22:41 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 Unofficial #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 25 USD (Worldwide shipping included. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx)
nubbins`: ;;remove 20669
gribble: Order 20669 removed.
nubbins`: ;;sell 1 "OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt" @ 25 USD "Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx"
assbot: imgur: the simple 404 page
gribble: Order id 20670 created.
nubbins` dusts hands
nubbins`: ;;calc 25/[ticker --last]
gribble: 0.0394004822619
nubbins`: a bargain at twice the price
mircea_popescu: 4 bitcents a shirt?
nubbins`: i know, right?
fluffypony: ok nubbins`
mircea_popescu: it's almost like we're back in victoria's time
fluffypony: I'll take 6 - 4 for me, 2 for the wife. how do I order?
nubbins`: this time last year, i was selling friedcat shirts for ~0.14 btc
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell moiety hey would you like a shirt ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: 6! let me get you a shipping discount
nubbins`: ;;calc 130/[ticker --last]
gribble: 0.20643767964
nubbins`: fluffypony: ^ to 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG
fluffypony: 7cfc61ea75971566fda5a86626581b3dfd47d10aeb87bfff043b22c385b54d6c
fluffypony: let me pm you sizes and address
nubbins`: tyvm, please do
xmj: does anyone in the SEPA zone want to accept fiat and ship me a shirt to estonia?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell moiety also, do you want to ship some shirts to people ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
xmj: Thank you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1500 @ 0.00010992 = 0.1649 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.029999 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00087591 = 23.7372 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: 'Yield to the moose,' wildlife expert urges - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
mircea_popescu: women only or both genders ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24766 @ 0.00087484 = 21.6663 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9084 @ 0.00087436 = 7.9427 BTC [-]
nubbins`: generally both genders
nubbins`: even the strength of a man is no match for the mighty moose!
nubbins`: so i found a copy of the first canadian pressing of bob dylan's first album
nubbins`: and the stickers are on the wrong sides of the record :0
danielpbarron: <+nubbins`> jurov, fluffypony: could have optional "#bitcoin-assets / freenode" etc on the back. i'll skip it for mine :D << i'd like one too if it has #bitcoin-assets on it somewhere
nubbins`: compare matrix stamp XSM-55621 (side 1) vs label text XSM-55622 (side 2)
nubbins`: danielpbarron: no sweat, i'm doing the same for fluffypony
nubbins`: ;;calc 25/[ticker --last]
gribble: 0.0396831695741
nubbins`: ^ to 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG
danielpbarron: gonna have to get back to you on payment; didn't realize it was that ready to go
nubbins`: heh. well i'm not printing them today or anything
nubbins`: i'll probably do up the screens in the next day or so, and keep 'em around for a week or two
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00087436 = 0.9181 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov: online (inverter always running) ups exists.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov: $10k or so.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: truecrypt... ...same comments, ... top posts << this is SOP
assbot: Clojure Web Security | LispCast
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0838899 = 0.4194 BTC [+]
assbot: Google Groups
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00087521 = 21.1801 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10589 @ 0.00087747 = 9.2915 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10973 @ 0.00087412 = 9.5917 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Lewis Katz, media and sports mogul, dead in Massachusetts 'fireball' plane crash - World - CBC News
asciilifeform: ^ 'can also have problems'
artifexd: nubbins`: Address and amount for 2 t-shirts please. No #bitcoin-assets on the back. 1 XL. 1 S.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00239643 = 0.1438 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15942 @ 0.00087366 = 13.9279 BTC [-]
nubbins`: ;;calc 45/[ticker --last]
gribble: 0.0714285714286
nubbins`: ^ to 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG
artifexd: I rounded up to 0.07142858. Will PM you the physical address.
nubbins`: tyvm!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00087562 = 6.9174 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up newar
mircea_popescu: wait, what ?!
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot newar
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Newar!~Newar@27-142-145-94.rev.home.ne.jp. Trust relationship from user assbot to user newar: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=newar | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=newar | Rated since: Mon Jun 4 19:36:39 2012
nubbins`: !down Newar
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, didja break assbot ?!
nubbins`: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE
assbot: A Lunch Date with Ben Bernanke for $70,500 | Bornrich
pankkake: can I give him bills I printed myself?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00087782 = 10.1388 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00087792 = 9.7449 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: you can try giving him some bernancoins
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.029999 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10713 @ 0.00087675 = 9.3926 BTC [-]
nubbins`: imagine paying seventy thousand dollars to sit with a man for an hour
fluffypony: when you can just come here and spend time with me for free
fluffypony: I mean come on
nubbins`: for those who like the deluxe, you can spend time with me for 1btc/hour
nubbins`: limited time only, one per customer per day
fluffypony: hah hah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00087845 = 13.0011 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.081 = 0.162 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0280001 = 0.112 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15610 @ 0.00087507 = 13.6598 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4097 @ 0.00087906 = 3.6015 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07700011 = 0.154 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 166 @ 0.00194697 = 0.3232 BTC [-] {6}
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves
fluffypony: did you receive 800 BTC by accident?
assbot: If you just received 800 Bitcoin out of the blue, it was from me : Bitcoin
asciilifeform: 'the sapper errs once.'
pankkake: "Mystery solved: this is a MtGox address. You sent 300 to it one year ago
fluffypony: "Mystery solved: this is a MtGox address. You sent 300 to it one year ago
fluffypony: ae1332a4-f3c0-4805-89d4-396387e7a96e,8c71169c-c0b2-46a8-97c8-8940cf2bb89a,"2013-04-16 18:37:04",deposit,300
fluffypony: So. I guess my goxcoins just became 800/202000 = 0.4% more worth. Thanks buddy."
pankkake: that happened to me with another fail-exchange, an european one I forgot the name of
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15903 @ 0.00087933 = 13.984 BTC [+]
pankkake: but I eventually got it back
nubbins`: 2010s, the decade of the paste-fail
pankkake: that's what made me change clients
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 82 @ 0.07552442 = 6.193 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.229 = 0.687 BTC [+]
jurov: asciilifeform here they say typical ransfer time 4ms and that's just cheapest 60euro turd: http://eu.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups_systems/value/value1000eilcd.htm
assbot: UPS Backup | Power Supply | Emergency Power Systems CyberPower Systems, Inc.
jurov: online units for servers are just few hundred euros
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07431927 = 1.1891 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: i'm curious where did you get the 200ms figure from
jurov: my flat seems to be wired directly to elevator, psu did survive the surges, but lcd flickered
jurov: even cheapo ups solved that completely
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.229 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.24265837 = 3.8825 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.24259337 = 1.213 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.245691 = 2.9483 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2469 = 1.2345 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> imagine paying seventy thousand dollars to sit with a man for an hour << i can see that. what i can';t see is... bernanke ? srsly ?
jurov: what was the assassination market bounty? isn't cheaper to kill him?
mike_c: heh. I *tried* to verify the fund's balances :) http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2014#691453
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: mike_c, still dones't wash ?
assbot: This is me being completely spaced out pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mike_c: i haven't tried again since new report, still catching up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00087679 = 3.2003 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, not sure if Ellie Kesselman or ELIZA Kesselman
assbot: Hunter S. Thompson On Finding Meaning - Business Insider
nubbins`: maybe the most lucid article BI has published thus far
mike_c: a straight republishing of someone else's work. that's one way to improve their site.
mircea_popescu: i thought its eliza
mike_c: of course, BI managed to make it worse by adding their own emphasis to things.
mike_c: like hunter s. thompson needs fucking BI to improve his writing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00087324 = 12.138 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00087317 = 14.4946 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: i know right
nubbins`: "this letter could use some editorial emphasis"
jurov: !up belcher
jurov: !up lolstate
jurov: !up daybyter
jurov: !up lnostdal
daybyter: thanks!
jurov: daybyter it's only for 30mins
daybyter: I know... :-(
jurov: Sabastan, nope. stop going in and out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 9 @ 0.05805537 = 0.5225 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00087553 = 12.2136 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00087242 = 22.0722 BTC [-] {2}
Naphex: so tired of coding lately, damn you burnout syndrome!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.0008716 = 11.7666 BTC [-] {3}
jurov shots a knowing glance to Naphex
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9292 @ 0.00087157 = 8.0986 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.21313505 = 1.2788 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00087553 = 5.297 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21625548 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.21625758 = 0.4325 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21625758 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2162576 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 83 @ 0.00374214 = 0.3106 BTC [+] {4}
mike_c: ^ ouch.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21625791 BTC [+]
mike_c: ;;calc (0.0055 - 0.00374) / 0.0055
gribble: 0.32
mike_c: ;;calc (0.0075 - 0.00374) / 0.0075
gribble: 0.501333333333
mike_c: 32% loss for ipo investors, 50% for 2po.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21625791 BTC [+]
pankkake: had to remember I ignore havelock trades
pankkake: it looked like you were talking about MPOE
pankkake: that's why ignores are not practical on IRC :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.004 = 0.16 BTC [+]
mike_c: heh. how can you ignore havelol? it's more fun than the forums.
pankkake: too much noise
mike_c: ;;seen the20year
gribble: the20year was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 15 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <the20year> Corn oil sells locally for $3.25/gal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21625791 BTC [+]
pankkake: is it down in USD terms?
pankkake: because it's clear it was never a btc investment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 158 @ 0.001352 = 0.2136 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00320000 / 0.00369319 / 0.00450000 (227 shares, 0.83835347 BTC), 7D: 0.00280000 / 0.00412473 / 0.00546990 (1556 shares, 6.41807687 BTC), 30D: 0.00280000 / 0.005765 / 0.00710000 (7225 shares, 41.65208891 BTC)
moiety: hullo!
fluffypony: how goeth the phone line?
moiety: very quiet but i have been back and forth this past couple days fluffypony got my keys yesterday so been taking cars of things through
fluffypony: ah ok
fluffypony: for the sexperiment
fluffypony: sorry - sex weeks show
moiety: ;;later tell mircea_popescu tshirts?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.20600007 = 1.236 BTC [-] {3}
moiety: fluffypony: lol yup. i'm a bit scared. it's a lot bigger than i remember it.
mike_c: pankkake: ipo USD/share: $0.33, 2po: $0.345, current: $0.227
moiety: how is everyone here?
pankkake: well, ouch
pankkake: ;;view #20670
gribble: Error: No orders found matching these criteria.
pankkake: ;;view 20670
gribble: #20670 Mon Jun 2 06:54:03 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 25 USD (Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx)
Apocalyptic: mike_c, $0.227 is 50% of $0.345 ?
pankkake: he was talking btc wise
Apocalyptic: oh I see
danielpbarron: if payment is expected in BTC, it might make more sense to put the "otherthing" quantity in as "25/{bitstampask}"
nubbins`: can i do that
nubbins`: ;;sell 1 widget @ 25/{bitstampask} BTC "testing"
gribble: Order id 20671 created.
nubbins`: ;;view 20671
gribble: #20671 Mon Jun 2 11:56:00 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 widget @ 0.03981 BTC (testing)
nubbins`: huh.
nubbins`: ;;remove 20761
gribble: Error: No orders found to remove. Try the 'view' command to view your open orders.
nubbins`: ;;remove 20671
gribble: Order 20671 removed.
nubbins`: ;;remove 20670
gribble: Order 20670 removed.
nubbins`: ;;sell 1.0 OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 25/{bitstampask} BTC "Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx"
assbot: imgur: the simple 404 page
gribble: Error: '#bitcoin-assets' is not a valid price input.
nubbins`: ;;sell 1.0 "OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt" @ 25/{bitstampask} BTC "Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx"
assbot: imgur: the simple 404 page
gribble: Order id 20672 created.
nubbins`: ;;view 20672
gribble: #20672 Mon Jun 2 11:57:18 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 0.03981 BTC (Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx)
nubbins` dusts hands
nubbins`: thanks for the tip!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.19831909 BTC to 9`141 shares, 24049 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 40 @ 0.02438999 = 0.9756 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: jurov: the 200ms figure was taken from actual measurement of an ancient ups i owned several years ago. i can easily believe 4ms with solid-state relays, in modern unit. still does nothing against small transients.
asciilifeform: jurov: 'online' ups was costly last i priced it (for 1kW+. the tiny things are worthless in my setup) and rather inefficient (~60%)
asciilifeform: jurov: plus, ferroresonant monster gets 25+ years of lifetime, vs. the laughable 3 or 4 modern semiconductor-based ups is good for.
jurov: no issue with that :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07997213 = 0.1599 BTC [+]
nubbins`: so pascale had this dream last night where she decided that she'd like to get a large dick sewn onto our female cat
nubbins`: had a consultation with the vet, chose a nice model
nubbins`: then later telephoned the vet to discuss the particulars
nubbins`: vet says "je préfère parler en français au téléphone"
nubbins`: p responds "ah, d'accord" and continues discussion
nubbins`: strange woman
assbot: I knew I couldn't build a cat - Everything2.com
nubbins`: "Today Apple makes an OS announcement --- I say we flood social media & news with questions about why they are anti-tech & anti Bitcoin"
nubbins`: palm, meet face
nubbins`: consider that as far as feature implementation goes, apple is relatively conservative
nubbins`: they'll allow bitcoin apps if/when the point is reached where idiots can use it without saying "???"
mod6: lol
mod6: oops
jurov: !up Sebastan
fluffypony: nubbins`: yeah, I think they may also want to avoid the issue they've had with kids spending thousands on in-app purchases
jurov: !up jordandotdev
fluffypony: can you imagine - someone will be like "someone broke into my phone with my pin code and stole my bitcoin, I'm going to sue apple"
jurov: !up kermit
jurov: !up ericmuyser
jurov: !up darlidada
jurov: !up diatnic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.23232937 = 1.1616 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: !up diatonic
nubbins`: well, they sorta fixed that around the time the smurfs game came out
nubbins`: "mom, can i download?" "ok" (mom enters password) HEY KIDS BUY SOME SMURF BERRIES (no password required because mom just authed)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.02350054 = 0.517 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: but "apple isn't ready for bitcoin" isn't how apple sees it
nubbins`: they see it as "bitcoin isn't ready for apple"
fluffypony: I'm sure that at some point in the future they'll let you fund your iTunes account with Bitcoin
fluffypony: and PayPal will let you fund your PayPal account with Bitcoin
fluffypony: but atm I'm not convinced either party particularly cares about all the ranting on /r/bitcoin
nubbins`: nobody cares about that
nubbins`: "hey guise i'm the first hand-blown glass satanist dildo shop in the WORLD to accept bitcoin!"
kakobrekla: i broke assbot?
fluffypony: lol nubbins`
kakobrekla: possibly, i uninstalled half of the server by mistake.
fluffypony: also if I see another post that is by an American about how Africa is ready for Bitcoin I'm going to stab them in the face
nubbins`: africa unite!
nubbins`: they say that something like 90% of africans own an iphone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00087671 = 6.1808 BTC [+]
fluffypony: yes, and the other 10% own an Android device
fluffypony: plus bandwidth is free
fluffypony: and all 3G
fluffypony: so it's ideal for Bitcoin
nubbins`: yeah, it's not just voice + sms
fluffypony: plus everyone is so familiar with mobile apps that it just makes sense
fluffypony: nobody uses cash here anyway
nubbins`: here's a man in accra, paying cab fare with btc
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: he's using his phone's voice recognition capabilities to make the transaction
assbot: Inside the Shadowy World of High-Speed Tennis Betting | FiveThirtyEight
fluffypony: nubbins`: ah yes, "siri, pay the cab driver 0.005 BTC"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00087753 = 9.7406 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: "certainly, daniel! shall i use the bitstamp BTC/GHS rate?"
fluffypony: HAH HAH
jurov is waiting for the eventual <fluffypony> HAR HAR
fluffypony: yay WWDC time, I'm hoping for a Macbook Pro Retina that is the size of a Macbook Air and has 20 hour battery life
fluffypony: that will make me happy
jurov: and power density of TNT
pankkake: exploding macbooks, now that's something I'd like
Apocalyptic: pankkake, to give them ad gifts ?
jurov: to bitcoin fundnation
pankkake: or as a way to reduce the hipster population
jurov: !up tris
benkay: <Mats_cd03> benkay: http://www.lispcast.com/clojure-web-security // i read that quite a while ago. a few kinda boil down to 'don't be retarded'.
assbot: Clojure Web Security | LispCast
benkay: other major points are "don't allow users to see each others data!"
benkay: which i guess some people don't think about?
Mats_cd03: the frameworks don't look ready for production
benkay: dunno about frameworks man
Mats_cd03: jvm issues aside
pankkake: it doesn't seem especially related to clojure
benkay: big old .45 that always wants to point at your foot
benkay: jvm issues are unless i miss my read (which is possible and do correct me plz) along the lines of 'don't let people have access to your box and don't run java as a consumer'
xmj: speaking about frameworks
xmj: anyone here ever worked with haskell webframeworks?
kakobrekla: i hate frameworks so much i made my own.
kakobrekla: not with haskell though.
pankkake: lol, I always have a bad feeling of "own frameworks"
kakobrekla: bitbet uses it
pankkake: many companies say that, when the reality is that their code is YOLO style
benkay: YOYO
kakobrekla: yeah prolly
benkay: you only YOYO once
pankkake: I haven't tried haskell at all but it's definitively on my list of things to try out - perhaps the only one actually
benkay: i want types
benkay: is it a satoshi? is it a btc? WHO KNOWS
pankkake: many frameworks are more of a hassle to use than nothing, for sure
xmj: right after learning C.
mike_c: kakobrekla: what is bitbet written in?
Apocalyptic: PHP obv
Naphex: ZF for php was more then decent
kakobrekla: anyway the fw that i made was first tested on smpake.com service and was made with btc in mind
kakobrekla: later on it was also used on bb.
mike_c: well, it was good enough for mtgox i guess.
kakobrekla: whats mpex written in? same.
Naphex: mike_c: i doubt ZF had anything to do with mtgox vulns
Naphex: but that custom php wallet software, jesus :]
kakobrekla: but right now im trying to implement some panacea models in newlisp
mike_c: Naphex: mtgox would have managed to suck in any language. i just feel bad for good programmers who somehow have ended up using php. probably the same as asciilifeform feels for all of us that don't use lisp.
Naphex: c'mon now lisp aint that cool
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benkay: !b 1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00087967 = 11.1718 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: Naphex> c'mon now lisp aint that cool < php dev said to python dev!?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0236 = 0.2124 BTC [+] {4}
mike_c: i'm starting to think it might be that cool. it's on my list to learn when i have a spare minute.. so who knows when.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0237 = 0.1422 BTC [+]
benkay: it's just that cool.
Naphex: my huge problem with lisp its readability
benkay: i wrote a function last night that runs a job, every now and again
benkay: the signature looks like (process-deposits every-ten-minutes)
jurov: and the body is (if (leap year) give bonus)
mike_c: i used to agree about the readability, but i have recently seen some elegant looking lisp programs. and i used to think python was unreadable. so who knows.
Naphex: i don't doubt they exist
kakobrekla: jurov :D
Naphex: but picturing a 8-man dev team working on a project in lisp
Naphex: for lets say 3 years, enough that every programmer there is bored shitless
asciilifeform: mike_c: lisp (of whatever variety) without emacs (or quite similar auto-indenting editor) is unthinkable.
mike_c: i have heard you say that (and filed it away for my future research)
assbot: SLIME: The Superior Lisp Interaction Mode for Emacs
benkay: its p true
Apocalyptic: since we're discussing functionnal languages what are you thoughts on Caml asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: did some ocaml ages ago. not my cup of tea.
asciilifeform: mike_c: it wouldn't be too far off the mark to say that i like common lisp because 'slime' is possible for it, rather than vice-versa.
pankkake: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 178842.38 Est. Next Diff: 482603.27 in 1781 blocks (#34272) Est. % Change: 169.85
mike_c: i will certainly give it a try.
asciilifeform: Naphex: the readability and 'omg 111 parentheses' problems go away when you use an adult editor.
assbot: Loper OS » Parentheses-Phobia Illustrated.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00087644 = 9.5532 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: ;;calc 482603*7000000
gribble: 3378221000000
Naphex: asciilifeform: its deffinetly better:D
mike_c: back to 3.4 th/s. must be pool-hoppers on atc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 100 @ 0.02438999 = 2.439 BTC [-]
Naphex: anyway all languages are just tools, use what fits best with you/your team, your hardware etc
Naphex: but just for lulz, i once saw a embeddec computer for public transportation, written in php :)
Naphex: so don't do that :)
Mats_cd03: must be nice to have that contract
Naphex: if you're wondering how is that possbile, it ran a browser in full screen on the front-end
Apocalyptic: so...ugly
Naphex: and had some php scripts running as daemons over sockets to emulate IPC and threads
Naphex: and using fopen('/dev/sttys*') to read serials and sh unix scripts with stty to setup serial ports
Naphex: lol
benkay: asciilifeform: haskell?
asciilifeform: benkay: not a fan. see v. sedach's explanation: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=401
assbot: Loper OS » Of Lisp Macros and Washing Machines
asciilifeform: benkay: and this reply to a reader asking about urbit (author of urbit was labouring under the same ill-conceived notions that produced haskell) - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390
assbot: Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits.
diametric: asciilifeform: I've been meaning to ask you on your opinion of Go
asciilifeform: diametric: every so often, folks invent another 'ocaml' - compiled language with 'strong typing.' you lose the REPL - you lose me.
diametric: the people backing it are what have me intrigued
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00087976 = 5.0146 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: 'go' is funded by the same bozos who spend $billion on a company making GUI thermostats.
diametric: asciilifeform: it's also the brain child of Ken Thompson and Rob Pike
diametric: and go does have a repl
asciilifeform: yeah, the folks responsible for 35 years of static language well past sell by date
asciilifeform: it is important to understand what a proper repl consists of. i.e. a bash loop that repeatedly calls a compiler is not a genuine repl.
asciilifeform: you ought to be able to do 'who-calls' and other useful operations that need the machine to retain semantics of the original code
asciilifeform: people who design baroque contraptions (ml, haskell, ocaml, go - tradition) for 'smarter compiler' - that ends up grinding the original semantics of a program into incomprehensible soup - as if god came and said to mortals to use pdp-11 forever - are solving the wrong problem.
asciilifeform: it is possible - and has been done - to build cpu which executes high-level language more or less directly. but, given as i have an entire blog about this, i will omit the details here.
mod6: asciilifeform uses only opcodez
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00087982 = 11.5256 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: even on a very minimal machine, with a few kb of memory, it is possible to use a language like Forth - which preserves the semantics of the code, and has genuine repl.
asciilifeform: the distinction between source and object code is an evil thing, rather like leaded gasoline - ought to have gone away a generation ago.
asciilifeform: for anyone still following the conversation, see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=256
assbot: Loper OS » Fourth Law of Sane Personal Computing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00087972 = 15.3511 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: obligatory:
asciilifeform: ^ typical reaction of programmers when i try to explain all of this.
benkay: "but you can't possibly fix five decades of institutional lock-in!"
asciilifeform: i often ask people to read about edison's dc current idiocy, and contemplate what would have happened if he had 'won'
asciilifeform: (e.g. power station on every street corner, wall wiring as thick as your arm, etc)
asciilifeform: this was a very narrow escape.
benkay: capital requirements got in the way.
asciilifeform: situation was entirely analogous to the current one re: computing - in that the inferior technical solution would have been embraced readily by equipment makers, for whom the waste is a bonanza
asciilifeform: if westinghouse did not have similar strength and motivation to demolish the crap - we'd have been stuck with it.
asciilifeform: obligatory:
assbot: Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive
jurov: westinghouse had the presence of mind to compete on price, too
jurov: symbolics did not
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.10149192 BTC [+]
jurov: again, what if we had gorillas.cl instead of gorillas.bas ?
asciilifeform: jurov: smbx had perverse incentives (usg funding that appeared bottomless - until it died suddenly. reagan's 'star wars.')
asciilifeform: 'I remember someone saying that if it hadn't been for automatic switches in the telephone network, the entire population of planet earth would have had to be telephone operators to handle the load of telephone usage in 1993 or thereabout. I get the eerie feeling that because modern computer systems are so incredibly braindamaged in their design and in the tools used to program them, the entire population of pla
asciilifeform: net earth will be programming these idiotic boxes pretty soon if managers don't wise up to the fact that the equivalent of automatic switches already exist and have done so for at least 20 years.'
jurov: that did not happen because lispers had perverse incentives
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.03000838 = 3.0008 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10947 @ 0.00087992 = 9.6325 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: and todays' kids learn computing on rpi and python, because whole setup is beneath lispers
jurov: why can't you just change rpi into lisp machine instead of all that complaining?
asciilifeform: jurov: python, ruby, etc. are, arguably, cheap 'soviet style' copies of common lisp. as admitted by, for example, matsumoto (author of ruby)
kakobrekla: kinda same story with thinking machines, darpa funding there.
asciilifeform: jurov: can you change a trabant into a toyota?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.03072497 = 3.0725 BTC [+] {7}
benkay: jurov: my plan is to give 'em emacs on a barebones bsd machine with an irc connection to chat with me
asciilifeform: jurov: you need entirely new silicon (type-aware cpu, hardware garbage collector, etc)
jurov: that's the attitude i'm taking about
jurov: give kids the toys and they will make it into silicone later
jurov: not the other way round
asciilifeform: jurov: we've been witnessing the failure of this approach for two decades now.
asciilifeform: here's an essay describing my hypothesis regarding why:
assbot: Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it.
jurov: i'm only withessing te failure of your approach so far
jurov: kids first learn Basic, Pascal, and C
asciilifeform: jurov: gotta distinguish market failure from technological failure.
jurov: then naturally live with it whole life
jurov: because no one is doing affordable and attractive lisp machines
jurov: how is it different?
asciilifeform: jurov: see the dc current historical example.
jurov: you did not say anything to my price argument
jurov: that ac power generation could be done cheaper
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 631.57, Best ask: 632.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.43000, Last trade: 632.0, 24 hour volume: 20574.38657010, 24 hour low: 613.03, 24 hour high: 683.26, 24 hour vwap: 637.537278288
jurov: lisp machines to date, were not done so.
jurov: because you "oh noes trabant" attitude
asciilifeform: jurov: my half-baked fpga prototype cost me about 500 usd. but picture, in my shoes, proposing that it be manufactured en masse, to an industrial magnate.
asciilifeform: 'who wants to buy this and why'
jurov: we have things like kickstarter now, no need to go through incumbents
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kakobrekla: those people invest in solar freaking roadways not lisp
asciilifeform: i've had this discussion with more people than i can count. and the only ones who 'grokked' the basic idea, were the ones who woke up to the realization that much of what we consider to be the 'inevitable' brokenness of computing infrastructure (ubiquitous bugs, e.g. buffer overflows, irreducible complexity of os, compilers) is anything but.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: like hunter s. thompson needs fucking BI to improve his writing. << where would hts be w/o bi!!1
asciilifeform: re: kickstarter: lol. suggested experiment: open a kickstart, with the headline 'pay my living expense for 20 years. in the end, you might get a useful gizmo if i live that long.'
jurov: yes it is inevitable if people who know better won't do anything for kids because they want 100% architectural purity without compromises
mike_c: srsly. he'd be unreadable without their editing
mircea_popescu: i hope they make an up to date version
diametric: asciilifeform: surprisingly the last 6 kickstarters i've done have all delivered
diametric: though i tend to vet them
mircea_popescu: i think he might have said nigger or something unsavoury like that at some point
asciilifeform: kickstarter works - when it works - for 'i want to make a bicycle drive shaft from hastalloy.' and other well-defined engineering problems.
jurov: what prevented OLPC to ship with lisp? "o noes trabant"
asciilifeform: for 'basic research' - not so much.
asciilifeform: jurov: olpc was a microshaft brainwashing project (admitted as much! hence why it shipped with an x86 turd instead of a cheaper risc cpu)
mircea_popescu: pankkake: is it down in USD terms? << for "2nd ipo" definitely. seems just about even for original ipo tho
asciilifeform: get the african kids started on winblows.
jurov: so you admit microsoft can do it, yet you cannot
asciilifeform: jurov: microshaft can do many things that i cannot.
asciilifeform: 'The Ogre does what ogres can, Deeds quite impossible for Man,...'
mircea_popescu: mike_c: pankkake: ipo USD/share: $0.33, 2po: $0.345, current: $0.227 << o wow srsly ? for some reason i had it in my head they started at a 25cents
mike_c: those were actually off by a factor of 10, but they all were so it doesn't really matter.
mike_c: ipo = 0.0055 BTC * 600 = $3.30
mike_c: now, 0.0036 * 630 = $2.27 per share
mircea_popescu: i see. thanks for that!
assbot: One Laptop per Child - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: they see it as "bitcoin isn't ready for apple" << they're right, too. i don't have a mpoe-pr large enough to swat all the fucktarded us consumers thinking they'r eentitled to shit because their govt paid me taxes or something
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where's that piece of yours re: 'offensively stoopid poor' and 'cattle management technology' ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00088055 = 12.5038 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: "hey guise i'm the first hand-blown glass satanist dildo shop in the WORLD to accept bitcoin!" << when's the ipo!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ok lemme see here
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema offensively stupid poor cattle
gribble: Strategic superiority, a saga pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/strategic-superiority-a-saga/>; Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/>; Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/dear-guardian-stop- (1 more message)
asciilifeform: ;;google trilema cattle prods
gribble: Strategic superiority, a saga pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/strategic-superiority-a-saga/>; Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/>; That gay ass site, BitBet pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/that-gay-ass-site-bitbet>
asciilifeform: must be the first link.
mircea_popescu: Up until recently it was practically impossible to become embroiled into any sort of dealing with the subgroup, their ownership being strictly assumed and their lives strictly subsumed by the corporations competent at dealing with the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets, the government. Both as employers and providers these specialised bureaucracies have the necessary tools, including cattle prods (or what
mircea_popescu: ever they’re called now, non-lethal something or the other) to correctly handle them. They have the chemicals, they’ve done the research, know the behavioural patterns, have the walls all built to obstruct vision, living arrangements all thought through and everything.
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin suddenly opened the gate. It is a poisonous offering. You are grossly unequipped to interact straight with the refuse of Western society. Accepting investors with fortunes under a million dollars or whatever the limit was placed for US citizens may make sense. Accepting investors with fortunes under any arbitrary value and simultaneously wits under any arbitrary threshold is not a sound business plan but a str
mircea_popescu: ategic mistake.
mircea_popescu: there we go.
jurov: seems i'm arguing completely different point than ascii :(
mircea_popescu: it seems so to me too.
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asciilifeform: jurov: the way i understand it, you see 'architectural purity' as an optional frill, like the 'non-conflict zone minerals' folks, or enviro-whiners. i do not.
asciilifeform: i've long ago given up on convincing any serious number of people of this point through rhetoric - it'll have to be by physical demonstration. but first i gotta live long enough.
diametric: asciilifeform: that sounds strikingly similar to something our mutual friend once said, in his attempt to correctly implement something resulted in that something never accomplishing anything.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: anyway the fw that i made was first tested on smpake.com service and was made with btc in mind << "built from the ground up with security in mind"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31903 @ 0.00087925 = 28.0507 BTC [-] {3}
diametric: you can have all the architecturally pure things in the world, but they don't amount to shit if they don't actually manage to accomplish work.
mircea_popescu: i can see that angle.
jurov: i have quite a few friends that got into programming in their teens and have done impressive demos
asciilifeform: diametric: this is sort of why i bring up my long-term research only when asked about it. and at other times, work with whatever materials are available in the jungle i inhabit, in a way that mostly makes sense to people.
jurov: only to give up in disgust few years later
thestringpuller: ;;seen nubbins`
gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 44 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <nubbins`> "certainly, daniel! shall i use the bitstamp BTC/GHS rate?"
jurov: now they use windows and excel. that's where i come from
thestringpuller: ;;later tell nubbins` hey send me pm at some point
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: because there was no popular MS-DOS game with embedded lisp interpreter
jurov: because "oh noes trabant"
asciilifeform: jurov: 'abuse' (fairly well known game)
jurov: was the interpreter accessible?
asciilifeform: only recently we ended up with x86 boxes fast enough to disregard the performance hit from high-level languages on a cpu without hardware type-tagging
asciilifeform: now you have games (and even virii!) with built-in 'lua'
kakobrekla: re fw, one of the ways to make it easy one yourself is to keep it as small as possible.
asciilifeform: obligatory:
asciilifeform: (rob pike, on why systems research is dead)
asciilifeform: 'To be a viable computer system, one must honor a huge list of
asciilifeform: large, and often changing, standards: TCP/IP, HTTP, HTML,
asciilifeform: XML, CORBA, Unicode, POSIX, NFS, SMB, MIME, POP,
asciilifeform: IMAP, X, ... A huge amount of work, but if you don’t honor the standards
asciilifeform: you’re marginalized.'
asciilifeform: (summary of some of the obstacles in the way of any serious attempt to ditch legacy crud while remaining even a little bit commercially viable)
jurov: you keep stuffing into my mouth what i'm not saying
jurov: i'm only saying, show them the light while they want to experiment
jurov: if that entails using rpi, so be it
jurov: adults should do adult things, of course
asciilifeform: i did get a number of people playing with fpga (the closest thing to 'freedom' in this context, that i know of) who perhaps wouldn't have otherwise.
thestringpuller: +asciilifeform> now you have games (and even virii!) with built-in 'lua' << The engine that came from Jak and Daxter is built in LISP for entity relationships.
thestringpuller: A good deal of Uncharted is written in LISP.
benkay: forth chips!
fluffypony: ok so
fluffypony: Apple is releasing a new programming language
fluffypony: called Swift
fluffypony: closures, generics, namespaces, the usual
artifexd: Are you trolling, fluffypony?
fluffypony: artifexd: no serious - they start it off with "we thought about how we could have Objective C but without the problems of C"
fluffypony: or something
artifexd: Is it cross platform?
Apocalyptic: <popeofdope> ooohh
Apocalyptic: <popeofdope> new language
Apocalyptic: <popeofdope> i like this
Apocalyptic: <popeofdope> swift
Apocalyptic: probably not trolling
artifexd: Wow. Just... wow.
fluffypony: they had to do it at some stage, they were getting jealous of .NET
fluffypony: also they compared performance vs. python and objective-C
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fluffypony: "python is slow, objective-C is faster...but Swift is FASTEST!"
Naphex: and java is the best ;]
Naphex: :))
asciilifeform: we're more or less doomed to an eternal proliferation of proprietary piss-ant languages. so colour me unsurprised.
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benkay: "jealous of .NET"
benkay: oh god
benkay: i'm laugh-crying
asciilifeform: from apple's point of view - it isn't quite enough to have an effective vendor lock-in through obj. c and the mac api - it is necessary to breed programmers who can't even -think- on a competing platform.
kakobrekla: so whats the story with this seaforth
artifexd: I'll buy that.
artifexd: Rephrase: asciilifeform, I accept your statement as an acceptable representation of reality.
asciilifeform: artifexd: if headline is genuine, the only real surprise is that apple had not attempted this earlier.
fluffypony: asciilifeform: I think they thought they could bend objective-C to become that
asciilifeform: fluffypony: one hint, in the past, was that apple clearly indicated a desire to see 'gcc' die in a fire
Naphex: asciilifeform: what would be your default language for writing a multi-threaded backend, with lots of sockets and nio?
asciilifeform: Naphex: given empty space?
asciilifeform: and, back-end for what?
Naphex: asciilifeform: hmm, lets say data aquisition. grabbing gps data from vehicles
fluffypony: no new Macbooks
Naphex: and managing them so some control commands in there
asciilifeform: Naphex: assuming an actual choice of instruments (rather major assumption) - sbcl.
asciilifeform: Naphex: that's what i did last time i had an entirely unconstrained design (a lab automation system, controlling robot & various scientific instruments attached to it)
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fluffypony: one nice thing that came out of are the iCloud Drive prices - 200gb for $4/month
asciilifeform: Naphex: i discussed this adventure in the not too distant past: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014&bots=true#589971
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
fluffypony: so now I know where all my pics are getting backed up to
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0246889 = 0.1234 BTC [+]
fluffypony: I'm going to tell Usagi he should start using iCloud Drive for backup
jurov: "1-click wallet backup"
fluffypony: heh heh
fluffypony: UsagiBackup
fluffypony: 1-click backup to Dropbox, LiveDrive, iCloud Drive, and email
kakobrekla: if one he had done that.
kakobrekla: if only
assbot: Secretary of State halts Springfield man's Bitcoin operations
lobbes: finally
fluffypony: omg no way
fluffypony: pwned
jurov: "I encourage Missourians to call my office before making any Bitcoin investments" ohmy
kakobrekla: i dont even get what going on with that
kakobrekla: active mining or what was it?
jurov: i move for moiety to call them, ask about mpex and report for lulz
jurov: anyone with me?
benkay: do it
benkay: where is the manul lady
benkay: ;;seen moiety
gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 25 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <moiety> how is everyone here?
fluffypony: "Reached by phone Monday afternoon, Slaughter was unaware of Kander's news release but said it must have been part of a settlement his lawyers were working on with the office. He said he also expects to have to pay a fine."
kakobrekla: who is who here anyway?
jurov: kander is the state secretary
fluffypony: Kander is the secretary of state
assbot: Swift - Apple Developer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.24300324 BTC [+]
fluffypony: "Swift takes the best features from the C and Objective-C languages. It includes low-level primitives such as types, flow control, and operators. It also provides object-oriented features such as classes, protocols, and generics"
fluffypony: so it's .NET for Apple
benkay: python for apple
benkay: immutable data structures eh
assbot: Swift does unicode: http://t.co/0EiCec6cx4
assbot: BMF has lost access to it's wallet | Page 2 | Bitcointa.lk
fluffypony: "You made a thread here and what did you expect ? people would congradulate you for doing everything wrong ? keep reading your "how to make a web wallet book" you pathetic tool."
kakobrekla: wait whut such book exists ??
benkay: do any of you have a fax number at which i could receive some faxes maybe but probably not?
fluffypony: benkay: I have a fax to email number
fluffypony: but it's South Africa
kakobrekla: lol scammer!
fluffypony: kakobrekla: shhhh, you're ruining my identity theft scamring
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assbot: Female-named hurricanes kill more than male hurricanes because people don’t respect them, study finds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00087868 = 15.948 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16271 @ 0.00087617 = 14.2562 BTC [-] {2}
princessnell: a microaggression with macro consequences
princessnell: or: proof that god is a vengeful woman
jurov: oo fellow discordian
BingoBoingo: /me is suspicous to committing to #bitcoin-assets on Freenode on the shirt, because it is hard to know when the situaton will reverse...
jurov: the shirt won't last so long
bitstein: #yesallhurricanes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8553 @ 0.00087474 = 7.4817 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: benkay: Are they supposing I want to fuck a hurricaine?
assbot: Secretary of State halts Springfield man's Bitcoin operations
BingoBoingo: pankkake: That merely shows how incredibly friendly Missouri is to actual Bitcoin businesses.
pankkake: yes, the response is quite sensible, and seems to be about "deceptive tactics"
pankkake: you guys should reddit that
assbot: Missouri Secretary of State halts Active Mining's Bitcoin operations : Bitcoin
jurov: and i wanted it to submit as "Active Mining Deactivated" but...
BingoBoingo: Active Mining actually Lethrgic
jurov: bash flushed
assbot: Atruk comments on Missouri Secretary of State halts Active Mining's Bitcoin operations
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BingoBoingo: Damn, Apple announced iOs 8
Apocalyptic: if only they 'd stick to that
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: I have to imagine some of your neighbors are probably stockpiling BTC to fund a reconquest of Rhodesia
fluffypony: hah hah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07823999 = 1.1736 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: my mom was born in Rhodesia when it was still called Rhodesia
BingoBoingo: Naphex: What is so illegible about math?
atcbot: 3k@218 0k@200 7k@200 | 100k@141 250k@140 6k@135
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00087428 = 1.836 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00087428 = 6.5134 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0243 = 0.243 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 537 @ 0.00216811 = 1.1643 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02468408 = 0.2468 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8935 @ 0.00087753 = 7.8407 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: Naphex: and using fopen('/dev/sttys*') to read serials and sh unix scripts with stty to setup serial ports << pretty lucrative maintenance contract i bet
Naphex: mircea_popescu: yep, 250k/year
kakobrekla: mike_c when you need electronic mix next time; http://radiostudent.si/glasba/x-machina/sempre-sempre
assbot: Sempre sempre | Radio tudent
mircea_popescu: sounds about right.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ‘one cannot transition from the informal to the formal by formal means.’ << what's the long story of that ?
mike_c: kakobrekla: i'll try it now, thanks. plus bonus swimsuit pic :)
kakobrekla: o yea, bush included!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the proverb was attributed to mathematician alan perlis. i wasn't there when he uttered it. here's the context where i last mentioned it: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390
assbot: Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, funny, because speaking of jets, random person i ran into today had actually heard of bitcoin, AND of urbit
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 663.5, vol: 17323.55731786 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 644.4, vol: 12553.89502 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 662.81, vol: 15993.55399357 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 660.0, vol: 77.21816246 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 643.770105, vol: 5415.03470000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 652.0, vol: 8.90331435 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 645.905, vol: 113.3678485 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 656.507348479
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.02350333 = 0.2115 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: and his comment was "o, those jets thing were the funniest part. "yadda yadda yadda i'm very tired today"
mircea_popescu: which is a seinfeld reference.
mircea_popescu: this is how one makes friends.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.02345011 = 0.1173 BTC [-]
nubbins`: with cia operatives
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.0246889 = 0.321 BTC [+]
assbot: Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/194PXQ2.txt )
pankkake: !b 8
mircea_popescu: nubbins`, why so conspiraci minded!
nubbins`: it's because of my countless dark secrets ;(
BingoBoingo: Saw interesting creature on the road today. Alligator snapping turtle of roughly a meter in shell circumfrence.
nubbins`: round up some teenagers and a machete and you've got yourself a movie
BingoBoingo: Poor local yokel was trying to coax it off the road with sticks.
mircea_popescu: i read that first as "dick secrets"
mircea_popescu: and started thinking maybe the surgery's for real.
nubbins`: because of my countless dick secrets
nubbins`: they must never know!
nubbins`: ;;seen thestringpuller
gribble: thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 29 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> A good deal of Uncharted is written in LISP.
assbot: Alligator snapping turtle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins`: hm, is "OS X 10.10" pronounced "oh-ess ten ten point ten"?
nubbins`: that's awkward
mircea_popescu: osex ten-ten
mircea_popescu: could be an azn pop boyband
fluffypony: you just call it Yosemite
fluffypony: and everyone must know you're talking about an OS
fluffypony: and not a mountain or whatever the fuck it is
mircea_popescu: !up Chris_Sabian
nubbins`: fluffypony, it worked for Mavericks
nubbins`: oh, wait
fluffypony: oh well
fluffypony: could be worse
fluffypony: could be like Ubuntu
fluffypony: Ubuntu 17.04 Sexy Scarecrow
nubbins`: 18.2 Dirty Dripper
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: random person i ran into today had actually heard of bitcoin, AND of urbit << random, as in, on the streets of ar ?
nubbins`: 19.06 Bellicose Bell-end
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, no, as in, without having made a specific appointment to discuss bitcoin and urbit
nubbins`: well, nevermind, then
mircea_popescu: nubbins`, "well, nevermind then" is perhaps the best name so far
mircea_popescu: is what i've known osx as since about 3.0
nubbins`: OSX 10.10 Nevermind
nubbins`: but everything is 2d again!
fluffypony: Ubuntu 20.44 Not Nirvana
nubbins`: brb food
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: since mr. m started sailing under the flag of the sv/vc circus, the thing's been well-hyped and spammed to virtually every forum where technowankers while away their days.
Chris_Sabian: what does "-assbot- You have been voiced for 30 minutes by mircea_popescu" mean?
mircea_popescu: that you can now talk.
mircea_popescu: \for half an hour.
Chris_Sabian: ok then
BingoBoingo: moiety: You catch that link about the local fauna, definitely would trade for Manuls
mircea_popescu: so from the "let's encourage people to fly" department :
mircea_popescu: Braniff Airways Flight 542, a Lockheed L-188 Electra, registration N9705C, was a scheduled domestic flight from Houston, Texas, bound for New York with scheduled stops in Dallas and Washington, D.C.. On September 29, 1959, 23 minutes into the 41-minute flight from Houston to Dallas Love Field, the aircraft disintegrated in mid-air approximately 3.8 miles (6.1 km) southeast of Buffalo, Texas killing everyone on board.
mircea_popescu: However, even though it was determined that the wing was destroyed by "cycles of reverse bending" or "flutter", the investigation failed to determine how the flutter was caused, and the investigation stalled.
mircea_popescu: The breakthrough into unlocking the cause of the accident came after the crash of Northwest Airlines Flight 710 on March 17, 1960. The two aircraft, both Electras, disintegrated in mid-air after losing their wings in similar fashion, both resulting in the deaths of all occupants on board.
mircea_popescu: that's it. thank your for flying vibrator airlines.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's why bomb screening focus more on finding dildos than explosives
asciilifeform: see also the famous tacoma narrows bridge.
atcbot: 40k@205 0k@200 7k@200 | 90k@143 100k@141 250k@140
asciilifeform: ;;google galloping gertie
gribble: Tacoma Narrows Bridge Collapse "Gallopin' Gertie" - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-zczJXSxnw>; Galloping Gertie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galloping_Gertie>; Tacoma Narrows Bridge ("Galloping Gertie") - Wikipedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_Narrows_Bridge_(1940)>
Chris_Sabian: so what are everyone thoughts on AM and Friedcat?
BingoBoingo: Chris_Sabian: Burning the last of the venture
BingoBoingo: Best case when AM1 falls to or Below IPO, maybe friedcat buys everyone out a la Erik and takes it private.
mircea_popescu: prolly the plan.
mike_c: what was am ipo price?
BingoBoingo: 0.1BTC/Share
Chris_Sabian: there is so much misinformation and rumors it is hard to know what is going on
Chris_Sabian: the forum is full of trolls and bagholders
BingoBoingo: I dunno anything for sure, just supposed the best way this ends.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0230023 = 0.161 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.024689 = 0.2222 BTC [+]
jurov: nubbins`: you think there are cia operatives in chan?
jurov: somehow never considered it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 900 @ 0.00048 = 0.432 BTC [-]
nubbins`: not sure why ya wouldn't
nubbins`: seems like a gross omission on their point otherwise
nubbins`: on their part, even
mike_c: especially with all you foreigners in here.
jurov: mike_c no you are foreigner xD
mircea_popescu: jurov, that was a fact a month or so ago. meanwhile, prolly lost interest, limiting themselves to one intern "checking the weblogs"
mircea_popescu: when not busy toking
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 826 @ 0.00021536 = 0.1779 BTC [-]
jurov: that's very lucky intern
FabianB: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 166.98309966 BTC; -0.01864958 BTC (-0.0112%) since last check 11h 29m 41s ago.
jurov: ;;seen ThickAsThieves
gribble: ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 58 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> lol
kakobrekla: FabianB you just realized a loss
kakobrekla: meta-just-dice!
mike_c: couple bit cents down the drain.
FabianB: lol
FabianB: increases probability for being a gain next check
mike_c: mpif question: are those 900k+ shares on the order book new shares?
mike_c: hmm, how would you know ;)
mike_c: seller identified.
FabianB: i think it's the rest of the second 1 mio
kakobrekla: yeah about half was left out in the book
kakobrekla: apple: Apps may facilitate transmission of approved virtual currencies provided that they do so in compliance with all state and federal laws for the territories in which the app functions
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.02830333 = 0.3396 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: kakobrekla inorite
nubbins`: we were speaking of this earlier today, and then the next thing ya know
kakobrekla: we were?
nubbins`: the general "we"
kakobrekla can be heard editing the logs
jurov demands logs storage into blockchain
nubbins`: i demand the reverse
jurov: what, to use blockchain to generate conversation?
jurov: leave that up to vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00087424 = 13.7256 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02300199 = 0.115 BTC [-] {5}
dub: surely it only affects a handfull of aspies and retards doe
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 670.0, Best ask: 672.92, Bid-ask spread: 2.92000, Last trade: 670.0, 24 hour volume: 18962.87071715, 24 hour low: 613.03, 24 hour high: 677.77, 24 hour vwap: 642.840145677
mike_c: wtf
mike_c: back to the moon i guess
mike_c: when did bitfinex get so fking big? are they blowing smoke up their own ass?
mircea_popescu: bitfinex always claimed to be big
mircea_popescu: it wasn't ever, but hey.
mike_c: "The Bitfinex trading platform is currently in a beta phase (testing phase). The platform is owned and operated by iFinex Inc. (Bvi), and during this final phase the platform is being prepared to operate under a fully licensed model."
mike_c: well, where do i send my money!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12537 @ 0.00087411 = 10.9587 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you could send it to the bitcoinica relief fund.
kakobrekla: i think its cause they do leverage and report those numbers ?
mircea_popescu: you recall, these are those derps.
mike_c: i am recalling. soon gox2 will arise with their stolen code and they can compete on even footing.
assbot: [scam tag request] user unclescrooge founder and operator of bitfinex.com | Bitcointa.lk
kakobrekla: but i honestly believe they are getting traffic
kakobrekla: where else sheep gonna go? bitstamp is fucking them too directly.
kakobrekla: and afaik bs did another audit recently, where it shows they have less btc in books t han in the last one
mircea_popescu: traffic is one thing.
mircea_popescu: im sure they';re getting plenty of traffic, no argument there.
mircea_popescu: as a reddit/facebook/whatever social media site, bitfinex is just as good as any one of a thousand third hand niche things
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: jurov: smbx had perverse incentives (usg funding that appeared bottomless - until it died suddenly. reagan's 'star wars.') << best way to sink a good start-up is a bad revenue source early on.
mircea_popescu: there are reasons a good manager is worth more than a good anything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: re: kickstarter: lol. suggested experiment: open a kickstart, with the headline 'pay my living expense for 20 years. in the end, you might get a useful gizmo if i live that long.' << you're making jurov's argument for him tho.
mircea_popescu: why would you phrase it that stupidly ?
fluffypony: I find Bitfinex's numbers highly suspect
mircea_popescu: you and everyone else capable of safely keeping a bitcoin for a year
mircea_popescu: who is lobbes ?
mircea_popescu: !up lobbes
mircea_popescu: jurov: i move for moiety to call them, ask about mpex and report for lulz << carried. moiety plz to call and ask
mircea_popescu: !up CoalPowerGorilla
nubbins`: i'm feeling like lelel
nubbins`: "bongtu" is korean for "plastic bag"
nubbins`: that yellow contraption says "bungtu" written on it
nubbins`: hilarity
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why would you phrase it that stupidly << the answer is, because i haven't the titanic brain that would be needed to come up with a 'smart' way to phrase it. so generally i don't bring the subject up, unless asked first. 'basic research' is a fundamentally... unreasonable proposition from the ROI standpoint. i'm not particularly good at justifying unreasonable things.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: benkay: Are they supposing I want to fuck a hurricaine? << imagine the suction.
mircea_popescu: golf ball through garden hose, LITERALLY.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, gotta be more easy going you know ?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: what's that?
nubbins`: plunger
mircea_popescu: "please kickstart my cool fundamental project. fundamental research is important because it's what keeps kittens purr"
asciilifeform: nubbins`: lol!
mircea_popescu: that's a major improvement.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the usual reply of audience is 'why ought we give $bignum to you and not the 9,999 other wankers'
mircea_popescu: and the usual reply is to jus tignore the question.
mircea_popescu: in summa : you are approaching it as a hard problem. it's not, it's quite soft
mircea_popescu: and a little brown.
mircea_popescu: Reached by phone Monday afternoon, Slaughter was unaware of Kander's news release but said it must have been part of a settlement his lawyers were working on with the office. He said he also expects to have to pay a fine.
mircea_popescu: "I haven't heard from my lawyer exactly how much that's going to be," he said.
mircea_popescu: idiot. no, it's not part of it. it's part of every govt agency even remotely arguably connected trying to get a slice
mircea_popescu: because they're paid by how much they pretend to have mattered the previous year.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 848 @ 0.00018311 = 0.1553 BTC [-] {40}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00087271 = 12.087 BTC [-] {2}
dub: wtfing at this bittrex feature
dub: Use Caution: This will zero (0) the balance of your wallet and cannot be reversed. Please be absolutely sure you want to do this before you confirm.
dub: use case?
kakobrekla: prolly if you end up in negative, you can zero it back!
assbot: Springfield Bitcoin Investment Plan Stopped by State of MO - OzarksFirst.com
danielpbarron: dub, maybe something to do with that change you can never withdraw or trade on exchanges; the stuff that's not big enough for any of the minimums
danielpbarron: (not that a "zero your balance" is a good solution to that0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00087364 = 19.3074 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.21000984 = 0.42 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kako has it actually
mircea_popescu: ancient bitcoinica bug
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mircea_popescu: mike_c, o wow, how is bitbet negastive ? she lost a bet meanwhile ?
mike_c: sort of
mike_c: er, yes
mike_c: she won, but it didn't cover the small hedge
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before June :: 4.75 B (10%) on Yes, 41.24 B (90%) on No | closed 1 week 2 days ago
mircea_popescu: dude is it great that these aren't related and so p2 can cover p4 etc
mircea_popescu: anywya, splendid tool that thing.
mike_c: will get even more live when jurov finishes his thing :)
mircea_popescu: splendid.
mircea_popescu: once bb's pot increases significantly i'll bug him to do something similar, but for now a small wildcard is all the spritz needed
mircea_popescu: anywya, fascinating what open *really* means.
mike_c: agreed
mircea_popescu: and making history and all that jazz all the derps claim
BingoBoingo: I'm still wondering how I might do that, but there are ideas.
mike_c: jurov's book would make infinite loop anyway. nav = (pc1,2,3,4) + nav * pc5 shares
mircea_popescu: part of the reason why i took him of nav pricing
mircea_popescu: he's doing mkt value.
mircea_popescu: o look at that, jd a whole dime up since yest too ?
mircea_popescu: muy bien muy bien
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00087445 = 13.7726 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: Winklevoss Twins Buying Giant $14.5 Million Penthouse... Together?
BingoBoingo: ^ Twincest
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.22000007 = 1.32 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1864 @ 0.00087363 = 1.6284 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0303 = 0.303 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !t m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021539 / 0.00021552 (1050 shares, 0.23 BTC), 7D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021704 / 0.00021726 (9050 shares, 1.96 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021722 / 0.00021726 (114803 shares, 24.94 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2250002 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.225 = 4.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22002146 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard
decimation: asciilifeform re: truecrypt audit >> it is indeed old news, but I didn't see the point emphasized on the channel
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07989979 = 0.1598 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.22002168 = 0.6601 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.21833333 = 1.31 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: asciilieform re: transformer isn't nonlinear resonance something to be avoided? How does the circuit maintain its nolinear resonance with variable load conditions.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.0303 = 0.909 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2031 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 49 @ 0.07987578 = 3.9139 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: decimation: How does the circuit maintain its nolinear resonance with variable load << naturally, this is possible only within rated limit of a particular machine.
asciilifeform: decimation: http://www.aelgroup.co.uk/hb/hb001.htm << good basic summary of the concept
assbot: hb001 Constant Voltage Transformer (CVT) introduction - the perfect sine wave
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95680 @ 0.00087187 = 83.4205 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.22997729 = 1.3799 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: "This bait and switch defense procurement situation, one that has become eerily circular in nature, is a much larger threat to national security then uneducated men in mud huts with AK-47s. A foe which we have spent trillions targeting and killing for over the last decade with little to show for it." http://aviationintel.com/disgrace-navys-f-35b-carrier/
assbot: DISGRACE: NAVY’S NEW PURPOSE BUILT “F-35B CARRIER” CANNOT WITHSTAND CONTINUOUS F-35B OR MV-22 OPERATIONS | AviationIntel.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22997781 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.24131322 = 9.6525 BTC [+] {8}
benkay: !up chairforce1
chairforce1: why hello
benkay: how's it been?
chairforce1: excellent
benkay: p okay
benkay: must cloast moar deals
chairforce1: which deals?
chairforce1: of wat nature
benkay: of the software-y and app-y nature
chairforce1: i love nature
chairforce1: r u making an app?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.09 = 0.18 BTC [-]
benkay: "an" lolzlzozlz
chairforce1: an application?
benkay: no as in like "only one?"
chairforce1: how many r in the pipeline?
BingoBoingo: Maxint apps
benkay: (def maxint-apps (capacity-planner nerds-as-what-need-pimping-out))
benkay: setv if you're cool, i guess
benkay: <-- v. not cool opportunistic lisper
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22971385 BTC [-]
benkay: <-- responsible for bedrock
benkay: what's so excellent with you, chairforce1 ?
chairforce1: idk what maxint and setv are
chairforce1: but im excellent because bitcoin is fun
chairforce1: i spent some time with my friends today
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.22971385 = 0.4594 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: what's so fun about bitcoin?
chairforce1: the who industry
chairforce1: its so new
chairforce1: and akward
chairforce1: no1 knows how to deal with it
chairforce1: its like watching a fawn beng born
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00203776 = 0.1202 BTC [+] {6}
chairforce1: its funny
BingoBoingo: I guess that's fair, there's been a lot of blood
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.24999997 = 4.75 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: are you doing anything interesting with btc?
chairforce1: just admiring it
chairforce1: buy little bits here and there
chairforce1: when i can
chairforce1: yes there has been blood
chairforce1: bitcoin is ruthless
chairforce1: the markets are irrational
chairforce1: large players play around
chairforce1: securities is a bigger blood bath
chairforce1: the wild west of the wild west
chairforce1: no1 knows wtf is gong on
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21004478 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: re: cvt: interesting. It seems to me that saturating the secondary would clip the output waveform, precautions must have been taken to prevent this
decimation: books.google.com/books?id=h2Es9vpaKhQC&pg=SA9-PA2
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08600002 = 0.172 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0303 = 0.1515 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: after reading that chapter, it appears that ferroresonant transformers help with voltage regulation, suppressing harmonics and transients, as well as riding through nasty undervolt conditions (that kill switching power supplies). They aren't very helpful for momentary outages, as you have said.
asciilifeform: decimation: correct.
decimation: I might have to go find one of my own, if they are available for cheap.
asciilifeform: decimation: for outages, ordinary ups.
asciilifeform: decimation: (no reason not to connect traditional ups in series)
decimation: before the transformer I presume?
kakobrekla: ok so this newlisp is slow as fuck even if they claim otherwise.
asciilifeform: 'newlisp' is the 'feathercoin' of lisps
kakobrekla: is it?
kakobrekla: no clue
kakobrekla: had high hopes at first glance
asciilifeform: author started by pissing all over every single advance in the history of the language - starting with lexical scope, moving on to compiler, etc
asciilifeform: but, 'new' !
kakobrekla: other things but 'new' attracted me, but whatever.
kakobrekla: i found something else to waste time on
decimation: the 'trick' is the airgapped shunt that causes the secondary to saturate, thus causing the output voltage to remain in a narrow range. It's interesting to me that this has been known since 1940, is ideal for computers, and is apparently mostly unknown amoung computer users
assbot: Not all programmers are alike: a language rant | Locklin on science
asciilifeform: decimation: it is very, very well known among computer users. behind the 'iron curtain.'
decimation: "management" in the west would hate the buzzing
asciilifeform: decimation: the pill against the buzz is to lock the thing in a closet
decimation: yeah, wires exist for a reason I guess.
asciilifeform: decimation: your mains step-down transformer would also be quite audible if you were to take it off the pole and bring it in your living room.
decimation: I'm interested in the lightning suppression, I live in a lightning-prone area and I want to take precautions against harm. I'm not convinced by the "protect" LED in cheapass MOV devices
asciilifeform: CVTs are still used in places where equipment costs $maxint. i personally ordered one installed in a lab where i once worked.
asciilifeform: (we were getting transients from a newly installed gigantic air conditioner)
asciilifeform: quite a few of the units you'll find on 'ebay' are labeled 'minicomputer transformer.' so, i imagine they were shipped with pdp and vax.
asciilifeform: if your computer costs serious dough, a $1k power filter is small change.
decimation: yeah, that's the kind of device where you want to shop "ebay local"
asciilifeform: that or 'free ship'
decimation: lol I bet it costs $1 to ship from hong kong
asciilifeform: decimation: they're typically guaranteed for 25 years or so. get a used box with clear conscience.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07435204 = 0.1487 BTC [-]
decimation: re: dataflow: I've been browsing the academic papers on "dataflow" computers. Most of them are crazy "C machine" and "Dataflow sidecar" hybrids. Makes as much sense as putting a massive aircraft engine in a car: www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJn7LHE83cc
asciilifeform: incidentally: cvt is a good pill against nosy buggers who'd like to 'read' bits off your mains wiring.
kakobrekla: interesting asciilifeform , you really have seen it all, and too bad you didnt link me a week ago. :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02437999 = 0.2438 BTC [-]
decimation: I prefer to keep the lower frequency EM fields around my house pure, so I can receive shortwave well
decimation: like this guy - all kinds of citations etc: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mihaib/research/iwls04.pdf Figure 1 is amusing/sad
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0215101 = 0.3657 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0215101 = 0.1936 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0215 = 0.215 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.02051 = 0.3487 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.02437999 = 0.3901 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0205 = 0.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.0201001 = 0.4422 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.02010007 = 0.4422 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02001675 = 0.1201 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.02437999 = 0.1219 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07987039 = 0.5591 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.03039 = 0.152 BTC [+]
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