#trilema | 2014-05-02

fluffypony: Naphex:)

CheckDavid: Like there can’t be a larger binary digit than 1

CheckDavid: Does it translate to

CheckDavid: Higher decimal digit than 9 ?

mircea_popescu: yea

jurov: !up Naphex assbot got resstarted

assbot: Voicing Naphex for 30 minutes.

ThickAsThieves: i propose a different ending for the movie mp

mircea_popescu: !up VanCleef

assbot: Voicing VanCleef for 30 minutes.

Naphex: ;;ident

gribble: Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id 64CDBADCE1E0BBAF, key fingerprint F3D76A985F5844814A93F46364CDBADCE1E0BBAF, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu

VanCleef: thanks

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves which ?

Naphex: i just got ident'd :p

ThickAsThieves: as it strikes me as imbalanced

VanCleef: yeh just reading the movie idea

Naphex: damn server splits

CheckDavid: That's some expensive vocabulary

CheckDavid: When I talk like that my friends

CheckDavid: Almost kill me

VanCleef: i think it would make a good tv show

CheckDavid: Like I am overcomplicated

mircea_popescu: tv show ?!

ThickAsThieves: the ending is the barbarian's own advisor, proposing and convincing him of his first laws of order (hinting at an eventual recreation of the original empire the movie started with)

mircea_popescu: but it has an event. how many episodes before, and how many after ? either way it's... two tv shows

CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: could I voice VanCleef in case he were not already voiced?

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah. that's imbalanced. it proposes the idiocy is somehow okay.

mircea_popescu: CheckDavid but he is.

ThickAsThieves: no it proposes the order and chaos are cyclical

CheckDavid: Come on.

VanCleef: what's your set piece?

CheckDavid: Just tell me. Don't troll

mircea_popescu: VanCleef set piece ?

ThickAsThieves: (because they are)

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i guess it does that. and yes they are. but it ain't the political statement i wish to make :)

mircea_popescu: art is, after all, politics.

ThickAsThieves: it's the political statement i wish to make

CheckDavid: Ok I will test myself if you don't want to answer

ThickAsThieves: that your statement is no more "right" than the other

mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/a/C2mhE < also

VanCleef: The term setpiece is often used more broadly to describe any important dramatic or comedic highpoint in a film or story, particularly those that provide some kind of dramatic payoff, resolution, or transition.

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's why you're in the marbles and i'm in the furs, because you actually believe that :D

ThickAsThieves: nah i'm just the delusionist

mircea_popescu: VanCleef indicated i nthe text by "This scene makes or breaks the whole film"

ThickAsThieves: i wear what suits you

ThickAsThieves: ;)

mircea_popescu: CheckDavid oh i see now what you meant.

VanCleef: yeah i was thinking that when i read it

mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot CheckDavid

gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CheckDavid: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CheckDavid | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CheckDavid | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 12:52:24 2014

mircea_popescu: CheckDavid no, you could not.

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lol

CheckDavid: Thanks mircea

CheckDavid: In Wisconsin, it is illegal to serve apple pie in public restaurants without cheese

CheckDavid: Lol

CheckDavid: Nice contraband opportunity

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves btw, if it makes you feel better : <chetty> your movie needs a sequel <mircea_popescu> well sure. <mircea_popescu> you wanna make money, always leave room for a sequel.

VanCleef: you could just pay someone to write the script

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mircea_popescu: i could. but i prefer to give someone the chance to write the script.

mircea_popescu: the greatness of money, you get to make choices and have preferences.

mircea_popescu: whoa look at that shit, equal character count!

mircea_popescu: !up CheckDavid

assbot: Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.

VanCleef: who would be your target audience for this film?

VanCleef: bitcoiners?

CheckDavid: I wonder if one can get government funds to research and develop crypto currencies

ThickAsThieves: ah poop, your comment section stripped the handles

jurov: CheckDavid: there are plenty of bachelor/master theses on it

mircea_popescu: VanCleef or people whoi like alma-tadema, or people who like to see men get fucked, or w/e

mircea_popescu: i don't write for audiences.

jurov: it's certain they will continue with it

mircea_popescu: CheckDavid if you had read the logs, there was even a cushy us govt job offered.

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves see now look what you've done!!1

mircea_popescu: it's anonymized

VanCleef: to be honest its a lil over my head, i hvave to read it a few times to fully understand it

VanCleef: i wanted to do a homage to 80's action films and do one about the most powerful groups of people that run the world today and they all work in this underground sex trade where they only use women as currency

mircea_popescu: ew.

mircea_popescu: why not have them fuck ductaped baby chickens, and use THAT as the currency.

VanCleef: lol

ThickAsThieves: i'm gonna make a post in MY blog about the new ending, cuz apparently it's all the rage these days, blogging on top of what mp says ;)

mircea_popescu: what, you have a blog ?

ThickAsThieves: dude your memory

mircea_popescu: dude get out, do you even footnote ?

ThickAsThieves: trolling?

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/were-all-one/

mircea_popescu: (i had that typed out :D)

bounce: ducktaped chickens, bio-fleshlights? the sheer depravity. minus personpoints for you!

mircea_popescu: ty, ty.

mircea_popescu: no but i mean, if he's going for the outrage value, at least go all the way.

ThickAsThieves: i guess, in a way, my blog *is* your blog, since you sparked it

mircea_popescu: this is where i link that "all one" california soap nuttery

CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: offered here?

CheckDavid: Like a government official came here to offer it? Lol

ozbot: We’re all one pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

VanCleef: anywho yeh you should develop your story a bit more

mircea_popescu: that's the screenwriter's job.

mircea_popescu: i gave him some freedom implicit there, so his job doesn't suck

VanCleef: how much btc?

mircea_popescu: i dunno dood, i don't even run a studio. chances are, it'll never get made anyway

VanCleef: that's okey studios pay like 50k just to own scripts and keep them under their desk

VanCleef: then they pay you more if they decide to make the movie

mircea_popescu: did you ever get paid 50k + more ?

VanCleef: i only wrote one script but i deleted it recently

mircea_popescu: right. so how'd you know ?

VanCleef: that's how it works in hollywood

mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE << here's the real story.

ozbot: Harlan Ellison -- Pay the Writer - YouTube

mircea_popescu: and ellison has had a few scripts optioned, so i guess he'd know.

mircea_popescu: (also that's pre-crisis. it was way better then)

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bounce: 50k for 120 pages. hm. maybe worth a shot.

bounce: how to fill 120 pages worth of screenplay from irc logs? now there's a fiddy kay question.

mircea_popescu: bounce that's for believers. for engineers, it's 120 pages for a lottery ticket in an unauthorised lottery with an alleged cash prize of 50k (conditions apply)

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VanCleef: i'm not an asshole, pay me mircea :P

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mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/wu3IRQW.jpg this isn't so bad. minus the plastic stench ;/

VanCleef: ellison is right

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mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/OGW3PJD.jpg << total fucking good law. i want this on my books.

mircea_popescu: none of that soggy bullshit.

VanCleef: anywho this voiced stuff sucks

VanCleef: athero or whatever his name was had good wot ratings

VanCleef: just kick people or mute them if you dont want them to talk

jurov: [13:57] <mircea_popescu> jurov on it << dun see it

VanCleef: alot of scammers were using wot and had good ratings

mircea_popescu: jurov lol gimme a second.

VanCleef: wot is a fail

mircea_popescu: VanCleef you need to read the logs. this was discussed to death.

VanCleef: cant we just go back to how it use to be?

VanCleef: it was alot better

mircea_popescu: !down VanCleef

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ThickAsThieves: http://devilsadvocate.biz/i-wear-what-suits-you/

ozbot: In the Spirit of the Devil’s Advocate, I Wear What Suits You

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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i like the coloring.

ThickAsThieves: hopefully you dont mind being blue :)

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mircea_popescu: blue boy... that's what they callleeeed meeee

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mircea_popescu: !up CheckDavid

assbot: Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.

CheckDavid: Blue?

CheckDavid: You guys means this?

CheckDavid: http://www.coinside.ru/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/IMG_0549-kopiya.jpg

CheckDavid: I don't get why they are so skinny though

ThickAsThieves: eww

ThickAsThieves: 2 of the girls are aliens

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ThickAsThieves: "This game is anticipated to be rate Mature" lol.

pankkake: mature as in milf?

mircea_popescu: no, mature as in heroin addict chicks.

mircea_popescu: what's with these people and body painting unhealthy looking women ?

ThickAsThieves: rated*

mircea_popescu: whoa. panties on ?! omfg the indignity

pankkake: that was a tentative joke. anyway, have to agree on the trend of linking to trilema on every blog post

ThickAsThieves: i was more digging at bitcoinpete, mp's #1 fan

mircea_popescu: well what are you gonna do, ban me ? DO NOT HATE ME BECAUSE I AM BEEEEAUTIFULH!

ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-foundation-vote-yields-no-new-board-members/

ThickAsThieves: i'm just jelly!

pankkake: BingoBoingo and benkay are good at the game too

pankkake: though I actually read your first post thanks to a trilema pingback, so, it werks

mircea_popescu: pankkake do you like analytix the fuck out of those blogs ?

mircea_popescu: link count and everything ?

ThickAsThieves: even when we break out of the channel and its impossible log, we create a web of cross-referenced blogs to further fuck with newcomers

pankkake: I'm susbscribed to trilema comments so I see the links, that's all

mircea_popescu: oh i see

mircea_popescu: wait, you can still be subscribed to comments ? like via email ?

pankkake: RSS

pankkake: but I rarely see this practice (linking to posts) nowadays, even though this probably gave the name to "blogosphere"

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pankkake: now it's all about CENTRALIZED platforms!

ThickAsThieves: because most bloggers have no friends

ThickAsThieves: not even internet ones

pankkake: I made friends by blogging!!

pankkake: GIRLS.

pankkake: well, girl

mircea_popescu: actually i link a lot.

ThickAsThieves: lel

mircea_popescu: i love linking. and i still believe in the old concepts of the web, from back like 1999

mircea_popescu: pankkake is she here ?

pankkake: web2.0 also had "semantic web" but it never really existed :(

pankkake: we don't talk anymore unfortunately

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mircea_popescu: "web 2.0" and all its associated bullshits lawl.

mircea_popescu: web 1.0 was and sitll is good enough. in the sense of way better than any walled garden bullshit.

pankkake: semantic web is all about urls and proper markup

ThickAsThieves: i saw someone use ethereum and the like as a Web 3.0 reference

ThickAsThieves: i almost died

pankkake: not 1MB of javascript

pankkake: lol

ThickAsThieves: maybe we'll just start calling generations that way instead of Generation X, it's Web 3.0!

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves im kinda curious how far the nonsense will go. specificaslly, if the comatose media-only "Web 2.0" will be forgotten and a new web 2.0 will be enacted, out of the same pressed shitboard,

mircea_popescu: or if they will take 2.0 as a thing that actually existed, and continue the count.

ThickAsThieves: i think itll get to 3.0 then go away

ThickAsThieves: 4.0 starts looking silly, even to idiots

ThickAsThieves: but i'm known for overestimating the idiot

mircea_popescu: you know knuth counted to pi.

ThickAsThieves: idiot

ThickAsThieves: :)

mircea_popescu: wait wut

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ThickAsThieves: Brock Pierce, what a name

mircea_popescu: let me guess. yet another ex child actor turned bitcoin investiteur ?

ThickAsThieves: yep, Gyft

ThickAsThieves: and The Mighty Ducks

cazalla: for all of 10 seconds

ThickAsThieves: But the idea that underage boys were drugged and raped at the Encino estate, and sometimes threatened with guns by Collins-Rector, is hardly new. Egan was one of several young men to make such allegations in lawsuits filed against Collins-Rector, Shackley and Pierce 14 years ago -- court cases in which the plaintiffs won $4.5 million from Collins-Rector and Shackley by default because

ThickAsThieves: the trio had fled the country (Pierce reached a settlement).

mircea_popescu: lmao

mircea_popescu: so it'd be safe to say he was attracted to bitcoin by bruce wagner ?

ThickAsThieves: Pierce's most recent bio says he is co-founder of GoCoin, ExpressCoin, KnCMiner.cn and Robocoin Asia.

mircea_popescu: i wonder if asicminer has figured out yet that it can probably make a decent penny selling such "board seats"

ThickAsThieves: GoCoin, isnt that the one all the SeedCoinFund people are butthurt about "missing" out on?

mircea_popescu: to celebrities desperate for retroactive "involvement" who still are noobish enough to imagine this will allow them to bypass the wot.

ThickAsThieves: i think the asicminer board is in an ill state actually

ThickAsThieves: they won't remove me from their email list so i still see hints of it

ThickAsThieves: participation appears to be low

mircea_popescu: well that's not really new.

ThickAsThieves: dividends moving to monthly

ThickAsThieves: shit like that

ThickAsThieves: yeah that's true, when i was there 10 people might show up, but only 3 or 4 ever talked

mircea_popescu: lol. ah if only they had enough sense to do what told a while back.

ThickAsThieves: now it seems only 4 show up an hour late to nothing

ThickAsThieves: The US economy created 288,000 jobs in April, the strongest monthly job creation since January 2012.

ThickAsThieves: "The one thing I would be careful with though is the decline in the unemployment rate, the decline in the unemployment rate was a function of the labour force falling by 806,000, that is gargantuan decline," he added.

ThickAsThieves: dafuck

asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/the-idea-for-a-great-film/#comment-99493

mircea_popescu: people leave, what.

mircea_popescu: you want to leave, everyone you know here wants to leave, what's so surprising ?

mircea_popescu: a lot have left, a lot more are leaving and a helluva lot more will be leaving.

ThickAsThieves: well part of my dafuckness is how they are all "It's a flat out good report. All of the metrics that you want to see improve, did," said Tom Porcelli

ThickAsThieves: but then are like, well a million people left, so there's that

ThickAsThieves: left/died?

mircea_popescu: well... the reports that were made to make you feel good are made in the way that we agreed will make you feel good.

mircea_popescu: so why dont you feel good ? are you perhaps insane ?

mircea_popescu: it seems to me like this is slow onset schizophrenia, mydear boy.

ThickAsThieves: am i a terrorist?

ThickAsThieves: maybe xanax can sort me out

ThickAsThieves: the picture in the bbc article for it is awesome too http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27257760

mircea_popescu: im kinda surprised nobody is selling slow-release xanax dildos yet.

ThickAsThieves: miserable dude in camo eating at the place he cleans shit

mircea_popescu: suckle your way to pleasant dreams

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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2009/lectia-de-humor/ < i found an old english article! from 2009!

ozbot: Lectia de humor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

asciilifeform: 'web 3.0' << 'i don't know what weapons ww3 will be fought with, but ww4 will be fought with bow and arrow'

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform course the flaw there is to assume people whose tech is bow and arrow have the means to fight a Ww.

asciilifeform: well sure.

asciilifeform: but they might call it one.

mircea_popescu: and they probably will

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mircea_popescu: !up stickie

assbot: Voicing stickie for 30 minutes.

ozbot: The idea for a great film… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

mircea_popescu: answer't.

asciilifeform: lol!!!

asciilifeform: i like this one more.

mircea_popescu: see, the importance of community in one's life.

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artifexd: ;;later tell jurov Do you round deposits down to the nearest btc?

gribble: The operation succeeded.

mircea_popescu: jurov and whoever else was waiting : mpex deposits flushed.

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/o-metoda-simpla-si-eficienta-de-a-produce-un-blog-excelent-pe-pasi/ <<< me on blogging. "simple and efficient way to produce an excellent blog, step by step"

ozbot: O metoda simpla si eficienta de-a produce un blog excelent, pe pasi. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea

pankkake: if only it was written in a simple and eficient language

mircea_popescu: yeah i should have it translated.

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mircea_popescu: ტ wow look at that, mouse glyph

mircea_popescu: ბ << fucktarded apple mouse glyph

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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06910502 = 0.6911 BTC [-]

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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ბ is a mouse? looks more like 'anarchist bomb'

asciilifeform: and ტ is - power switch. aka 'the any key.'

Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: ბ is a mouse? // looks like an apple to me

asciilifeform: plum.

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mircea_popescu: well it's the eye of the beholder!

mircea_popescu: !up rgbiv

assbot: Voicing rgbiv for 30 minutes.

ThickAsThieves: fwiw those characters appear much different depending on font in use

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mircea_popescu: hoiw are they in comic sans /

ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/what-happens-inside-bitcoin-audit/

ThickAsThieves: “A lot of these things are difficult to verify or prove”

mircea_popescu: derpdesk ?

ThickAsThieves: coinhusk

mircea_popescu: "Valuable skills

mircea_popescu: So, who is Stefan Thomas, and why is he the person Powell called?

mircea_popescu: Thomas is Chief Technical Officer at Ripple Labs, a company that created its own payment protocol and prides itself on a transparent public ledger of transactions."

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mircea_popescu: how to be so wrong you have no idea of exactly how wrong you are : read coindesk.

mircea_popescu: and wired.

ThickAsThieves: i cant even understand how Ripple guy still gets play

ThickAsThieves: like no one *really* uses it right?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 85.30121001 BTC to 80`673 shares, 105737 satoshi per share

ThickAsThieves: and looking back at last year's AMS conference, he was pretty quiet on the panels

mircea_popescu: anyway, 5k words and no mention of the actual point this all started from.

mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-kraken-com-exchange-now-open-with-usd-eur-btc-ltc-xrp-nmc-xdg.168224/page-57#msg4924847

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mircea_popescu: for the people keeping score at home.

mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-kraken-com-exchange-now-open-with-usd-eur-btc-ltc-xrp-nmc-xdg.168224/page-57#post-4671068 even.

ozbot: [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG | Page 57 | Bitcointa.lk

mircea_popescu: (dargo also quit, subsequently)

mircea_popescu: so that makes her 2 out of 2.

mircea_popescu: guess who's the expert in this story.

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kakobrekla: how did he quit, he is still providing support

mircea_popescu: last seen on the forum what, late feb ?

mircea_popescu: support is one thing.

kakobrekla: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-kraken-com-exchange-now-open-with-usd-eur-btc-ltc-xrp-nmc-xdg.168224/page-93#post-6185968

ozbot: [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG | Page 93 | Bitcointa.lk

kakobrekla: how about wednesday

mircea_popescu: hm

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mircea_popescu: Dargo was last seen: Feb 27, 2014

mircea_popescu: whgat the fuck is this

mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/members/dargo.30215/ << what do you get there ?

ozbot: Dargo | Bitcointa.lk

mircea_popescu: Last Activity: Feb 27, 2014 Joined: Jul 8, 2011 is what i get

kakobrekla: dat thing doesnt work

kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=32856

ozbot: View the profile of Dargo

kakobrekla: Last Active:Today at 02:45:22 PM

mircea_popescu: omfg i've been bambozled.

artifexd: Bloomberg is using Kraken as the source? WTF? They had less than 10btc of volume in the last 24 hours. Talk about a fucked up signal.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.071 = 0.142 BTC [+]

kakobrekla: yes but look at the logo

mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cevidad yo! there's some brokage in your forum. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#655592

gribble: The operation succeeded.

mircea_popescu: artifexd you obviously don't have the "valuable skills" to understand these things :D

artifexd: Apparently....

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07118799 = 0.3559 BTC [+] {3}

ThickAsThieves: i think it's cevidad

Apocalyptic: <artifexd> Bloomberg is using Kraken as the source? WTF? << same reaction here

mircea_popescu: ;;seen cevidad

gribble: I have not seen cevidad.

mircea_popescu: ;;seen cedivad

gribble: cedivad was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 2 hours, 43 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <cedivad> i actually have one, but i never really wrote about hashfast, bitcointa.lk or any other of my web-related experiences (i manage some really huge websites)...

ThickAsThieves: oh

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves dyslexia!

ThickAsThieves: dylsexia ftk

ThickAsThieves: ftl

ThickAsThieves: you even beat me at self-deprecation

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07193999 = 0.6475 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: for the lol ? for the kelp ?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07194 = 0.2878 BTC [+]

ThickAsThieves: for the loss

ThickAsThieves: for the kale

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07194 = 0.1439 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07194 = 0.2158 BTC [+]

ThickAsThieves: haha, cleaning old stuff and found a business plan i did to open a record store, i was pretty young obv: "XXXX XXXX will help me with of retail store's responsibilities. He is an extremely trusted friend and works very well with people. I whole-heartedly feel he is my best and favorite choice for the position."

ThickAsThieves: I kicked him off the project shortly after, and we nearly came to blows as roommates not long after that. I never got past writing the plan, thankfully.

fluffypony: old business proposals make me cringe

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07013139 = 0.3507 BTC [-]

fluffypony: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/p480x480/10260012_10152356519251069_6233155153590700494_n.jpg

mircea_popescu: you know i never wrote one ?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0719399 = 0.1439 BTC [+]

fluffypony: I always enjoyed it as a way to cement my thoughts

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00014891 = 0.1489 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03199998 = 0.384 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.032 = 0.128 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.03280951 = 0.689 BTC [+] {5}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03349867 = 0.1675 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]

fluffypony: caption: "rioters trying to convince the police to install vlc media player"

bitcoinpete: fluffypony: lol nice

bitcoinpete: http://www.vox.com/2014/4/30/5668588/illinois-connecticut-maryland-gallup-interstate-migration-rates

ozbot: Half of people living in Illinois and Connecticut want to get the hell out - Vox

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03150035 = 0.4725 BTC [-] {3}

bitcoinpete: "Montanans, Hawaiians, and Mainers are least likely to say they'd want to leave, with fewer than one-quarter of those residents saying they'd move"

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0334972 = 0.5025 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 393 @ 0.00552151 = 2.17 BTC [-] {11}

bitcoinpete: http://t.co/x7ilwpgVmJ

mircea_popescu: fluffypony no, i meant as a kid. they do this "o write a business plan" many places.

fluffypony: oh lol

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0719399 = 0.2158 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03349514 = 0.1675 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0315336 = 0.473 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07194 = 0.2158 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03349572 = 0.335 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0730699 = 0.6576 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 1000 @ 0.00135201 = 1.352 BTC [+] {2}

bitcoinpete: Now my posts are being translated:

bitcoinpete: effin' twitter links… http://elbitcoin.org/ciudadanos-de-bitcoinlandia/

Apocalyptic: nice bitcoinpete

bitcoinpete: Apocalyptic: hehe i'll take it

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.0730699 = 1.1691 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0733 = 0.2199 BTC [+]

bitcoinpete: http://marie-lynn.org/2014/04/27/trying-something-new/

ozbot: Trying something new. | Marie-Lynn Richard

bitcoinpete: "For a few months, I have been developing business relationships with people in Bitcoin. As with any of the communities I have joined and thrived in the past 25 years, I am paying my dues in Bitcoin by doing some volounteer work."

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07331 = 0.2199 BTC [+]

bitcoinpete: " So far my experience of Bitcoin has been rather sad. I received my first Bitcoin paycheck a few months ago and promptly lost 30% of it due to the dip. I was then almost unable to extract it from Vault of Satoshi because they stopped sending out checks. I was able to pay for my membership to Bitcoin Alliance and Bitcoin Foundation at least. "

bitcoinpete: more irlloling

pankkake: :(

fluffypony: why would she pay for memberships to the foundation?

bitcoinpete: pankkake: ya, her situation sounds crummy. i invited her here so maybe she can do something in the future

bitcoinpete: fluffypony: the poverty of altruism

fluffypony: !up MarieLynn

assbot: Voicing MarieLynn for 30 minutes.

fluffypony: MarieLynn: we've just been talking about you :)

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8843 @ 0.00096881 = 8.5672 BTC [-]

MarieLynn: uh ho!!

MarieLynn: Hi peeps!

bitcoinpete: MarieLynn: howdy!

fluffypony: so the "trying something new" post is the first post I've read on your blog

fluffypony: which is the case for mostly everyone here, I would imagine

fluffypony: can you give us a bit of background?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07331 = 0.3666 BTC [+]

fluffypony: (also I had to Google aspie polymath and file that under today's new learning:)

pankkake: surprising. perhaps because I know too much aspie polymaths :|

pankkake: http://marie-lynn.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/do-all-the-things.jpg I think this is a good summary lol

fluffypony: lol

pankkake: (of the blog)

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00097097 = 10.6807 BTC [+] {2}

MarieLynn: I have been transparent about my life on the Internet for almost 24 years

MarieLynn: Now I am being transparent abotu how hard it is to get into bitcoin and stay housed!!

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1081 @ 0.0001436 = 0.1552 BTC [-]

fluffypony: lol

MarieLynn: I am a lonely basement hacker. I build websites and online businesses.

pankkake: do you mean earn a living with bitcoin?

MarieLynn: But my entire life is online, what do you want to know specifically?

fluffypony: MarieLynn: nothing specific, and thank you - that was very enlightening :)

kakobrekla: ;;gettrust MarieLynn

MarieLynn: I currently work for Charlie Shrem but we are done with the urgent stuff. I want to continue doing what I do but for cool bitcoin startup.

gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user MarieLynn: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=MarieLynn | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MarieLynn | Rated since: never

mod6: small typo: homoeless

bitcoinpete: MarieLynn: you should get in the wot http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/03/27/who-what-where-when-why-web-of-trust/

fluffypony: ^^^

MarieLynn: I am following the links ;)

pankkake: it's cheaper than the bitcoin foundation membership (free) and is actually useful :p

kakobrekla: you self promoting bastards; http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation

bitcoinpete: MarieLynn: and register your nick http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/03/31/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/

fluffypony: lol

pankkake: the wot allows us to to useful things like:

pankkake: ;;rate -1 bitcoinpete spammer

gribble: Error: 'bitcoinpete' is not a valid integer.

pankkake: ;;rate bitcoinpete -1 spammer

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user bitcoinpete has been recorded.

fluffypony: kakobrekla: somehow I don't think bitcoinpete is profiting off his blog ;)

pankkake: ;;unrate bitcoinpete

gribble: Successfully removed your rating for bitcoinpete.

bitcoinpete: pankkake: well played

bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: i get it!

bitcoinpete: lol

kakobrekla: im just busting balls mostly

bitcoinpete: fluffypony: not directly, of course

fluffypony: bitcoinpete: of course

MarieLynn: I am not a frequent user of IRC since 1997, sry

fluffypony: MarieLynn: also it seems you were spared by struggling to get verified on Cavirtex - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1uc28f/tired_of_seeing_canadians_get_ripped_off_by/

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07346744 = 0.2204 BTC [+] {2}

pankkake: didn't they rip off their shareholders too?

bitcoinpete: pankkake: yup, they generally blow dead bears

BingoBoingo: CaVirtex just be ripping off everybody

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.07199213 = 1.2239 BTC [-] {4}

pankkake: MarieLynn: oh so the French on the blog is because you're from Canada. Tabernacle !

MarieLynn: My boyfriend has a gun license and apparently that got him validated. I only have provincial health card with photo and passport and thats not good enough.é

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07345505 = 0.2938 BTC [+] {3}

fluffypony: between Apocalyptic, pankkake, davout, and now MarieLynn (and who knows who else) I feel at such a disadvantage for not speaking French

MarieLynn: I want a bitcoin ATM card else my hopes of a bitcoin life are limited.

pankkake: fluffypony: your only play is to learn romanian and crush us all

fluffypony: hah hah

fluffypony: I'm too busy learning German so I can gossip with my mother-in-law about my wife ;)

bitcoinpete: et moi aussi!

fluffypony adds bitcoinpete to the list

pankkake: le complot français

MarieLynn: Thanks for the CAVirtex thread I will rad carefully. But what are the issues other than ID verification woes?!

bitcoinpete: fluffypony: i did a few german lesson on duolingo, orangensaft!

MarieLynn: http://circonference.ca

MarieLynn: my blog about crypto, has an english podcast as well.

bitcoinpete: MarieLynn: ripping off "investors" on havelock, joseph david being a stooge...

MarieLynn: Thanks for the keywords bitcoinpete

pankkake: well if you want to buy or sell bitcoins, you can use bitcoin-otc http://bitcoin-otc.com/ - of course, you're dealing with users directly, so you have to be careful *who* your are dealing with

pankkake: http://qbc.io/ hahaha

fluffypony: MarieLynn: so since I live in South Africa I've also struggled with that - we only had 1 exchange (now 2) and their volumes are terrible. I can cash out from BitStamp to my bank account, but it is irritating. Two solutions I've found: 1. If it's bigger than $1k use BitPay. Sign up, get verified, and then invoice yourself when you need money paid out to your Ca bank account. 2. For smaller amounts, use person-to-person trading either on

fluffypony: Freenode in #bitcoin-otc (which also uses the WoT mentioned earlier) or on localbitcoins (you can arrange to meet people face-to-face, and lower your risk by not sending anything till you have cash-in-hand)

fluffypony: oh well pankkake already mentioned 2 :)

bitcoinpete: http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2014/05/02/bitcoin-cafe-in-limbo-at-mt-gox-building/ <<almost too stupid for words

ozbot: Bitcoin Cafe in Limbo at Mt. Gox Building - Japan Real Time - WSJ

bitcoinpete: "According to people at the exchange, the 28-year-old Frenchman was slow to grasp Mt. Gox’s troubles. As recently as early February, he didn’t imagine most of the virtual currency possessed by Mt. Gox and its customers were gone, they say."

bitcoinpete: "Believing Mt. Gox’s troubles were manageable, Mr. Karpelès devoted much of his time to the bitcoin café"

bitcoinpete: and since when does karpelès have that accent in his name?

fluffypony: "It was to feature a rich menu of French quiches and coffee drinks"

pankkake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Karpel%C3%A8s apparently scamming gets you on wikipedia

mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete poor woman

mircea_popescu: MarieLynn wait, that's you ?

mircea_popescu: <pankkake> surprising. perhaps because I know too much aspie polymaths :| << too many, frenchie. much is for french fries :D

pankkake: Mark or Karpelès aren't very French looking name

pankkake: right

bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: yup!

MarieLynn: mircea That's me what?

fluffypony: bitcoinpete: you mean his name isn't Ḱąȑṕệļễŝ? who knew.

MarieLynn: LOL fluffy

mircea_popescu: MarieLynn ok, so transparent about your life for 24 years ? gimme the highligts, how old are you, what do you do ?

mircea_popescu: !up trixisowned

assbot: Voicing trixisowned for 30 minutes.

BingoBoingo: Some old Taaki Derp: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3451.msg48961#msg48961

bitcoinpete: "I have 246 cos in my database of bitcoin-related businesses and I did not know about that group :) IRC is so vintage!" -MarieLynn <<246 cos, guaranteed none on mpex

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03399999 = 0.102 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: what's a cos, like cosplay ?

mircea_popescu: trixisowned soo... who owns ya ?

MarieLynn: I am 43, I have been developing for the Web since 1994

mircea_popescu: wait.

mircea_popescu: marie lynn who ?

MarieLynn: Google 'Marie-Lynn Richard'

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5748 @ 0.00096945 = 5.5724 BTC [-]

bitcoinpete: ;;google marie lynn richard

gribble: Marie-Lynn Richard | Social Media & Web Technologist ...: <http://marie-lynn.org/>; Marie-Lynn Richard (mlrichard) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/mlrichard>; Marie-Lynn Richard - Canada | LinkedIn: <http://ca.linkedin.com/in/marielynnrichard>

mircea_popescu: o hey.

pankkake: "I'm thinking the program would upload the GPG private key in case you ever lost it" that? lol

mircea_popescu: what's a "Nillionaire" ?

pankkake: Nil-lionnaire

fluffypony: pankkake: "If not found then popup dialog asking for username/password & download GPG private key"

fluffypony: ah ok

fluffypony: so your GPG private key, the essence of securing your identity with GPG, is protected behind a mere username and password

fluffypony: sekuriteez

mircea_popescu: MarieLynn aite, well, welcome.

fluffypony: BingoBoingo: did he go on to create Keybase.io?

fluffypony: :-P

mircea_popescu: you probably want to brew a gallon of coffees and go through the logs. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com

fluffypony: gin and tonic time

mike_c: or brew one cup and go through http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/

bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: maybe disney can make your movie happen: http://www.theonion.com/articles/disney-ceo-figures-theyve-built-up-enough-goodwill,35874/

MarieLynn: ;;gpg eregister MarieLynn 8DD69C90

gribble: Error: '8DD69C90' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.

mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> between Apocalyptic, pankkake, davout, and now MarieLynn (and who knows who else) I feel at such a disadvantage for not speaking French << nubbins.

MarieLynn: Thanks guys!

bitcoinpete: MarieLynn: don't mention it!

fluffypony: mircea_popescu: so when are we renaming the room #bitcoin-ásséts ?

pankkake: speaking of passwords, I'm slowly moving towards requiring more than a password everywhere to access my data

fluffypony: or #le-bitcoin-ásséts

Apocalyptic: sounds hungarian to me

Apocalyptic: (french don't have á )

BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Probably around 1750 or so

MarieLynn: I want to join the WOT but I cannot find my long form id, it's in the friggin UBUNTU key server.

mircea_popescu: fluffypony i hate accents and shit. i write romanian without too

pankkake: MarieLynn: gpg -k --keyid-format=long (if you use the CLI)

mircea_popescu: ^

MarieLynn: ;;gpg eregister MarieLynn 59748D208DD69C90

gribble: Request successful for user MarieLynn, hostmask MarieLynn!4a74bfc2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.116.191.194. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/59748D208DD69C90

MarieLynn: hey, it didn't complain :)

mircea_popescu: gpg --list-keys --fingerprint does the samer thing

fluffypony: Apocalyptic: it was une petit blague

MarieLynn: So are you guys here all the time? 24/7

fluffypony: !up MarieLynn

assbot: Voicing MarieLynn for 30 minutes.

pankkake: depends. logs are available by the way: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/

mircea_popescu: petite

fluffypony: gd

fluffypony: petite

MarieLynn: what does voicing mean? (remember no irc since 1997 here...)

mircea_popescu: !down MarieLynn

mircea_popescu: now you can't talk see ?

mircea_popescu: !up MarieLynn

assbot: Voicing MarieLynn for 30 minutes.

MarieLynn: sdds

pankkake: if the channel has the +m mode, only +v users can talk. otherwise, it's just vanity

MarieLynn: alrighty then :)

mircea_popescu: so basically MarieLynn is moiety in 20 years ? :D

MarieLynn: moiety?

fluffypony: "Mr. Karpelès purchased a $35,000 Backen pastry oven and a $23,000 La Marzocco coffee machine, say the people involved in the project. He also hired an independent pastry consultant and put a Tibanne employee full-time on the café project."

fluffypony: lawlicious

MarieLynn: http://marie-lynn.org/2013/09/14/behind-the-scenes-of-the-original-face-book/

kakobrekla: this is a joke right?

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nah.

fluffypony: kakobrekla: how else do you start a Bitcoin café without a pastry consultant?

mircea_popescu: MarieLynn there's a chick here, by that name. she's in her 20s, tries to run online communities and also likes cats.

kakobrekla: fluffypony you got me there.

mircea_popescu: fluffypony no macarons tho. very scam, this french.

pankkake: ;;rate MarieLynn 1 http://marie-lynn.org/

gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

fluffypony: lol

pankkake: MarieLynn: you're missing the last step, decrypting the OTP, I guess

MarieLynn: Well awesome for her. When I was 20 I had to compase the facebook and photocopy it and send it through the regular mail :)

fluffypony: ;;ud compase

gribble: Google found nothing.

fluffypony breathes a sight of relief

pankkake: compile?

fluffypony: compose?

kakobrekla: compass

fluffypony: comp ass

mircea_popescu: http://marie-lynn.org/blog/page/31/ < check it out, 1990s blog posts

ozbot: Marie-Lynn Richard | Social Media & Web Technologist / Entrepreneur / Mom / Crafty Bitch

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07178681 = 1.0768 BTC [-] {4}

mircea_popescu: http://marie-lynn.org/1992/03/01/temps-libres/ lol.

ozbot: Magazine Temps Libres | Marie-Lynn Richard

MarieLynn: These are entries from my project files :) I just imported those they are not yet correctly formatted.

mircea_popescu: "you love exploring the world but you got no money. what do you do ?"

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07182659 = 0.5028 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: you'd expect "suck a mean cock", but no. "go to a museum"

ozbot: Behind the Scenes of the Original Face Book | Marie-Lynn Richard

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07100033 = 0.213 BTC [-] {2}

MarieLynn: Ozbot we are soulmates I guess

mircea_popescu: it's a bot, it reads the title.

fluffypony: or just put in your Encarta 1995 CD and browse

MarieLynn: LOL

mircea_popescu: "What does a girls do when guys online keep asking for her photo?"

mircea_popescu: drops the s ?

MarieLynn: ;;gpg eauth MarieLynn

gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03349723 = 0.1675 BTC [-] {4}

mircea_popescu: MarieLynn you have to register it with nickserv.

kakobrekla: he means gribble

pankkake: MarieLynn: you have to decrypt the OTP link it gave you earlier. http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/59748D208DD69C90

mircea_popescu: wait, she did that no ?

mircea_popescu: oh nm me.

mircea_popescu: well ok, off to show the girls caligula. laters.

MarieLynn: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a1338dc312fcbfa6cddc12fd4ccd03a73196ac87572155292907c7c8

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07343379 = 0.1469 BTC [+] {2}

gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user MarieLynn with key 59748D208DD69C90

pankkake: ;;rate MarieLynn 1 http://marie-lynn.org/

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user MarieLynn has been recorded.

MarieLynn: I used to compose/compile the facebook by hand and send it through snail mail

Apocalyptic: MarieLynn, everytime i read your nick it reminds me of Merrill Lynch

MarieLynn: Okay, I made my way through this WOT thingy !

pankkake: you should sue Mark Zuckerberg

kakobrekla: you are able to voice yourself now btw, by typing !up to assbot private chat, MarieLynn .

MarieLynn: Thanks pankkake

MarieLynn: I invented SEO too, just so we are on the same page LOL

ThickAsThieves: MarieLynn your blog lacks an Altcoin logo

MarieLynn: What do you mean, there are like 8 on the front page

ThickAsThieves: www.therealaltocin.org

MarieLynn: I am launching my own altcoin soon BTW

ThickAsThieves: oops

pankkake: no, Altcoin, the altcoin

pankkake: :)

ThickAsThieves: www.therealaltcoin.org

ThickAsThieves: it's goal is to make all altcoins useless

MarieLynn: TaT, I will add it to my database. There are almost 700 coins in my friggin database.

ThickAsThieves: so everyone can focus on one altcoin, Altcoin

MarieLynn: Too many coins!

pankkake: hence Altcoin

ThickAsThieves: yeah you can get rid of the other Altcoins probly, would be much cleaner!

MarieLynn: I will look at it seriously promise. It's my self-imposed job to figure out all this

ThickAsThieves: you might enjoy the linked thread and other services on the home page

ThickAsThieves: no pre-mine!

ThickAsThieves: etc

MarieLynn: Well... There are useful alt coins or coins that have a very specific niche, I believe in those but the coingen copy paste alt coins is like vomit

MarieLynn: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21419725/satoshi-goose-t-shirt.jpg

kakobrekla: you guys are worse than traveling agents

kakobrekla: imma bbl.

MarieLynn: Our coin is going to be so unique, I am not even sure exchanges will touch it with a ten foot pole... Will be interesting

ThickAsThieves: well it's kinda hard to introduce ATC to someone

pankkake: I made a coin that no exchange touched

ThickAsThieves: and an investment fund no one invested in

fluffypony: PankkakeKoin?

MarieLynn: which one was it

pankkake: Bernankoin. they didn't touch it for good reason, it simply cannot have a non-decreasing value

MarieLynn: I am sure there are applications for our concept coin but so far it's just a surrealist coin R&D experiment.

fluffypony: someone should fork TimeKoin

MarieLynn: LOL great concept

MarieLynn: What does TimeKoin do?

fluffypony: MarieLynn: it's written in PHP

ThickAsThieves: waste time?

fluffypony: that should tell you everything you need to know

MarieLynn: hahaha!

MarieLynn: Do any of you want to co-found a 100% new coin concept? It's going to be super fun. Right now we need a crypto-educated developer (wallets) but the rest we have already written.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0734422 = 0.3672 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 76 @ 0.00599335 = 0.4555 BTC [+] {3}

ThickAsThieves: 1 altcoin is already stretching the attention span

fluffypony: MarieLynn: unfortunately I'm a poor C developer

fluffypony: I'm much better at being an A to all the Ds on the forum

MarieLynn: Wouldn't that put you above the average alt coin developer Fluffy? :)

pankkake: eheh

fluffypony: lol

pankkake: I learned truly nothing by altcoining. My code even made GCC emit warnings and I didn't care

MarieLynn: Is this a 24/7 thing or do you have mneetup times?

fluffypony: 24/7

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0319999 = 0.224 BTC [+]

fluffypony: but we're all on different timezones

pankkake: it's 24/7, but you can get a reply hours later. it's generally as everywhere on IRC

fluffypony: so it waxes and wanes

fluffypony: which is why everyone checks the logs - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com

MarieLynn: Tx

pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.2720 is getting interesting. there are still some strongly delusional people, but some others are actually considering doing SOMETHING (next page)

ozbot: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated]

pankkake: if the second ones get something out of the company, even at the expense of the firsts, I'd be happy

pankkake: and by expense I mean that when the first ones sue, there will be nothing left, not that they would have gotten anything by playing nice

fluffypony: ;;gettrust assbot MarieLynn

gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask MarieLynn!4a74bfc2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.116.191.194. Trust relationship from user assbot to user MarieLynn: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=MarieLynn | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MarieLynn | Rated since: Fri May 2 14:21:45 2014

fluffypony: MarieLynn: if you want to up yourself you can just message !up to assbot

fluffypony: pankkake: what's this 4 year investigation thing? playing catch up

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00096945 = 7.6587 BTC [-]

pankkake: Missouri Securities Division sending the issuer a letter. not much more is known

fluffypony: interesting

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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0721101 = 0.4327 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07344248 = 0.1469 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07155505 = 0.2862 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 10000 @ 0.00001261 = 0.1261 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.0009685 = 9.3945 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0733999 = 0.2936 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00097337 = 17.9587 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53200 @ 0.00096758 = 51.4753 BTC [-] {4}

MarieLynn: I am back

MarieLynn: Tx Fluffy

fluffypony: no problemo

thestringpuller: A female in #bitcoin-assets

thestringpuller: i'm sure mircea_popescu will be pleased

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07346722 = 0.2939 BTC [+]

thestringpuller: !jd MPIF

assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.71643613 BTC

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07346722 = 0.8816 BTC [+]

pankkake: I'd think b-a has a higher female ratio than most bitcoin channels

mircea_popescu: ;;rate MarieLynn 1 she's been failing at succeeding for decades now. that takes mettle.

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user MarieLynn has been recorded.

kakobrekla: pankkake most = any

kakobrekla: prolly same goes for mps conf, but that is saved cause of the low attendance count overall :D

mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> MarieLynn: unfortunately I'm a poor C developer << how da heck are you poor now.

thestringpuller: LOL

fluffypony: hah

thestringpuller: fluffypony can't get credit at < 20%

fluffypony: poor: "of a low or inferior standard or quality."

mircea_popescu: <pankkake> if the second ones get something out of the company, even at the expense of the firsts, I'd be happy << need a company first.

mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> pankkake most = any << defo. there's what, like a dozen girls here.

fluffypony: thestringpuller: depends on the product, but for personal loans we get shafted here :/

MarieLynn: Mircea I've been succeeding at failing rather LOL :)

pankkake: I try to make my statements harder to contradict while keeping them provocative enough

kakobrekla: you mean you like to sound like a pussy

mircea_popescu: ^

mircea_popescu: everybody fucking types faster than i can

mircea_popescu: i wonder if keeping both hands on kbd'd help

pankkake: that slander

mod6: im slow typer too :/

kakobrekla: i was accused of same, then told pussies have a big heart. so go with that.

mod6: haha

MarieLynn: Mircea, thanks for the Tweet. I used to buy a lot of art from Romania, I kept the cute export papers in French :)

mircea_popescu: pussies have a big heart because all the cocks coming in and out enlarge it in the end.

mircea_popescu: MarieLynn like what art ?

mircea_popescu: http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/05/02/yo-bitcoin-assets-i-put-contrarianism-in-your-contrarianism/ << here's pancake trying to rebrand being a pussy as being a gadfly.

ozbot: Yo #bitcoin-assets, I put contrarianism in your contrarianism | pankkake

MarieLynn: Student art from an assistant professor. Most of it counts as cubist :)

pankkake: what's pussy about that?

mircea_popescu: nothing, really.

mircea_popescu: but I try to make my statements harder to contradict while keeping them absurd enough

pankkake: :D

pankkake: I thought your technique was to drown in words

pankkake: "let me tell you a story…" contradictor falls asleep, win by default

MarieLynn: Bacău mostly this one is my favorite piece of Romanian Art https://www.dropbox.com/s/i1pfi2vnfuhizl6/2014-05-02%2015.36.54.jpg

thestringpuller: let me tell you a story about a henchman named speedy

pankkake: I just want to rotate it for some reason

ThickAsThieves: well you guys can blog about superiority, pankakke about inferiority, and i'll take ulteriority

pankkake: who will blog about seniority?

MarieLynn: Have fun rotating, there's a lot of kookey things goin on in there ;)

pankkake: oh it's a horse! of course, it's romanian

ThickAsThieves: isnt seniority superiority?

pankkake: unless it's senility

fluffypony: pankkake: did you just admit to being old?

ThickAsThieves: is there an iority for meta?

fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: mediocrity

ThickAsThieves: was waiting for it

pankkake: I wouln't be considered old, I don't really like being old, but I feel old

mike_c: tsk tsk kakobrekla. http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1755239/thumbs/o-YOU-DONT-SAY-570.jpg?2

kakobrekla: yeah well tell that to lampelina when she wants me to remove a spider or such.

ThickAsThieves: but now you're calling him a coward

ThickAsThieves: is there poster for that?

mike_c: no, non-gender specific insults are fine

ThickAsThieves: ah

pankkake: mike_c: that whole campaign… ugh :(

kakobrekla: yeah, well the stigma did not create itself

mike_c: pankkake: i know. the thought process of whoever wrote those.. it's painful to think about.

MarieLynn: Hey you guys, can you pause calling eact other pussies to look at another animal? :P

MarieLynn: I made a t-shirt

pankkake: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%92uf_carr%C3%A9

MarieLynn: Going into pre-order pretty soon. You like?

pankkake: nice

kakobrekla: bitcoin shitting duck?

ThickAsThieves: goose

ThickAsThieves: yeah it's neat

MarieLynn: It's a golden egg goose :)

kakobrekla: golden turdmeister is what i see.

MarieLynn: It goes with a feature article I am writing about a brain wallet we are trying to decrypt right now

kakobrekla: maybe im simpleminded

mike_c: no, that goose is definitely shitting bitcoin.

MarieLynn: well, yes, technically, these birds have only one hole so they are either turds or eggs LOL

pankkake: this is actually quite fascinating

mike_c: but geese don't lay eggs standing up

MarieLynn: Kinda goes with the story..

kakobrekla: the story of golden turd

ThickAsThieves: it's a superior goose

kakobrekla: bitcoin dev replies: "yeah but its still in beta you know!"

ThickAsThieves: it lays upright

MarieLynn: do you guys think bitcoins are golden eggs or turds?

ThickAsThieves: golden turds

thestringpuller: ;;google american dad golden poop

gribble: The Golden Turd - American Dad! Wiki - Roger, Steve, Stan: <http://americandad.wikia.com/wiki/The_Golden_Turd>; The Gold Turd Returns - American Dad - Adult Swim Video: <http://video.adultswim.com/american-dad/the-gold-turd-returns.html>; Roger (American Dad!) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_(American_Dad!)>

MarieLynn: For me it's hard to know, there is always a fricking bitcoin dip right after I get paid!!

thestringpuller: you're doing it wrong

ThickAsThieves: i think bitcoins are just millions of satoshis in disguise

kakobrekla: MarieLynn stop getting paid already.

mike_c: you get paid in bitcoin? nice.

pankkake: well, don't get paid in bitcoin if you don't intend to hold, really

MarieLynn: I need the money dude I mistakenly thought that going into bitcoin would get me bitcoins... like more than 1 LOL

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kakobrekla: !b 1

kakobrekla: ty

pankkake: perhaps getting a good paying fiat job should be your immediate priority then

MarieLynn: I am still working fiat contracts.

MarieLynn: Difference is people will come to me without effort for fiat jobs but I have to wheel and deal like crazy for bitcoins with 22 year olds... it's not the same market.

mike_c: well, average in here is definitely > 22.

kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95441.msg6513182#msg6513182

ozbot: [Cryptostocks] BBBB Bitcoin Emerging Market Fund

kakobrekla: wonder why he hid his name ?

pankkake: yes, well; keep the fiat jobs, buy coins / create the right bitcoin market for you

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.07346721 = 3.306 BTC [+] {4}

pankkake: average on bitcointalk is probably <22 :(

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.07383692 = 1.2552 BTC [+] {3}

pankkake: kakobrekla: Garett McBurger?

bitcoinpete: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/exclusive-pfizer-insider-warns-that-takeover-of-astrazeneca-could-be-devastating-9318884.html << £63 billion. heavy

kakobrekla: and im John Travolta ?

Apocalyptic: kako, are you saying you're not ?

MarieLynn: I have decades of project and staff management experience so I do not expect to work in bitcoin as a developer. Bitcoin needs leadership and guidance for its 22 year old employees!! I have lots of experience developing talent 19-25

kakobrekla: no no nevermind i said that Apocalyptic .

kakobrekla: well MarieLynn get them to write spec

bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/MikeyMehedin/status/462309907371655168/photo/1 <<dogecoin nascar. my eyes

ozbot: Twitter / MikeyMehedin: @Josh_Wise @dogecoin @reddit ...

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kakobrekla: isnt nascar like the idiot central

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bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: a very specific subset of them, southern amuricans

pankkake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_and_Stupid

ozbot: Poor and Stupid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [-]

bitcoinpete: more interested in drive-thrus, segregation, and surviving hurricanes than crypto

kakobrekla: i guess i should watch that.

kakobrekla: sp episode, not nascar racing.

mike_c: hmm.. it's always scary when you build something semi-complicated and it just works the first time.

mike_c: must be missing something..

kakobrekla: give it some time to break.

pankkake: it's never working the first time. you just haven't found where it goes wrong

asciilifeform: mike_c: obligatory naggumism:

asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141310154691952@naggum.no.html

ozbot: Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive

mike_c: can naggum say anything in less than 1000 words?

asciilifeform: mike_c: well, eventually he got down to 0 words.

asciilifeform: (cheated. kicked usenet habit, a few yrs. before he died)

mike_c: i agree with naggum in a lot of ways, but i ended up in python instead of lisp. i was just writing a C module for python and it was a brutal reminder of much time and energy is spent making sure i didn't miss dereferencing something in some random error case that would cause a leak, etc.

kakobrekla: !up tris

assbot: Voicing tris for 30 minutes.

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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.139999 BTC [-]

bitcoinpete: "Consider how the Catholic Church might have mitigated some of the deep pain caused by its abusive priests had it acted with the kind of boldness shown by N.B.A. Commissioner Adam Silver. Instead, it chose cover-ups, denial and blame shifting — the usual default modes for institutions trying to protect themselves." << default of institutions that last

bitcoinpete: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/02/opinion/egan-sports-the-most-progressive-force-in-america.html

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MarieLynn: I am really glad unpaid athletes are getting national attention for their cause. They get tuition but no time to study... dumb...

asciilifeform: MarieLynn: no time to study << at american unis, there are special fake classes for athletes. with no attendance checks, homework, or exams...

MarieLynn: I know...

asciilifeform: their existence in at least one is a proven fact

thestringpuller: MarieLynn: decades of experience?

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thestringpuller: you been working since you were 10 or something?

pankkake: is there anything to learn in college anyway? :)

asciilifeform: i learned some maths

asciilifeform: can't speak for others

asciilifeform: there are also useful things that one can pick up, like the art of working with your head for a week straight without sleep.

asciilifeform: but it is not strictly necessary to attend college to learn this.

MarieLynn: 20 years in what I do now

pankkake: higher education has been a interesting experience, but I could have skipped (and did) most classes

MarieLynn: I started in Web in 1994, I was only 23.

asciilifeform: what in web ?

MarieLynn: Before that I was a tour guide across North America, I started at 18. And a nanny too :)

MarieLynn: I do everything in Web. I have held all the jobs!

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00097404 = 24.2536 BTC [+] {3}

MarieLynn: I've dropped out of college TWICE!!

MarieLynn: But I was in all the committees at college, no time for class.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03149007 = 0.3149 BTC [-]

bitcoinpete: college is best used as a dating service

bitcoinpete: nothing else creates collisions like college does

pankkake: it made a way more social person, for sure. that and alcohol

pankkake: +me

pankkake: MarieLynn: you really do ALL THE THINGS!!

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00097017 = 4.8509 BTC [-]

bitcoinpete: "You may think that walled-garden access to Facebook or Google is inferior to neutral Internet access—and you’d be right. But if the neutralistas got their way, people in developing countries wouldn’t have better Internet access; many of them would have nothing"

bitcoinpete: http://theumlaut.com/2014/04/30/how-net-neutrality-hurts-the-poor/

bounce: I'm not sure that's a valid premise

BingoBoingo: %book

atcbot: 33k@225 23k@224 6k@223 | 2k@170 90k@156 10k@155

bitcoinpete: "Net neutrality, in other words, would not only keep the poorest offline, it would keep investment in poor-country telecom infrastructure down for longer."

bitcoinpete: bounce: it's nonsense

bitcoinpete: helping the poor with us gov corps isn't helping them at all

asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208

ozbot: Loper OS » “The Internet of the Future”

asciilifeform: ^ where we're going

asciilifeform: after the fud-artists are done

Duffer1: neutralistas lmao

asciilifeform: that turd includes at least one outright lie

asciilifeform: amazon's 3g gadgets access the standard net, for no extra cost

asciilifeform: just, very slowly.

asciilifeform: the way i understand it, aol, compuserve, et al. died a very deserved market death

asciilifeform: but now the 'walled garden' idiots want to replay the match

asciilifeform: with captive audiences

asciilifeform: because these are the only kind where the shit might fly

asciilifeform: living in usa, i admit i'm rather surprised that it is 2014 and i'm not yet forced to pay $500/mo to get something other than ArsebookNet

asciilifeform: arsenet is coming, because the average luser doesn't really insist on being able to open an arbitrary tcp connection from wherever to wherever

asciilifeform: so long as arsebook, skype, etc. work

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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3885 BTC [-]

BingoBoingo: If the choice were between arsenet and Dial-up, I'd probably choose dial up

asciilifeform: hell, 300 baud

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 999 @ 0.00019191 = 0.1917 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.03300008 = 0.396 BTC [-] {2}

asciilifeform: paradoxically, a return of the era when you must beg/borrow/steal genuine net access from employers, universities - could actually end 'eternal september.'

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0325099 = 0.2601 BTC [-]

asciilifeform: and wonders like fidonet will return from the grave.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.074 = 0.444 BTC [+]

asciilifeform: it won't be as easy as the first time, though

asciilifeform: over here, many houses had their land line copper (illegally) torn out

asciilifeform: by the fiber folks

BingoBoingo: I once produced a version of a web site I ran as a gopher site, in 2011, Library school project

MarieLynn: I miss FidoNet :)

MarieLynn: Went to a FidoNet Con last year :)

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asciilifeform: in usa, the copper lines are regulated under the terms of the at&t divestiture

fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/ZtPkUV4.jpg

asciilifeform: and the local carries have destroyed as many of them as they could get away with

BingoBoingo: http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/05/02/2015227/nasty-security-flaw-in-oauth-openid

ozbot: Nasty Security Flaw In OAuth, OpenID - Slashdot

pankkake: another one?!

bounce: http://ronja.twibright.com/

asciilifeform: for example - moving into new house, i discovered a dangling stub where the old 'bell atlantic' copper ought to be.

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asciilifeform: gone from the house, and from the pole.

asciilifeform: nobody gives a damn, at present, because we all love fiber

asciilifeform: but it could convert to ArseNet overnight.

BingoBoingo: Shame encryption on Amateur radio frequencies is a crime.

BingoBoingo: 2 meter band could make for some nice mesh networks

asciilifeform: copper is expensive - not merely the metal, but maintenance - keeping water out of the cable ducts, etc. the telcos would hurry to be rid of it even the removal did not speed the arrival of arsenet.

pankkake: and keeping the romanians from stealing it

asciilifeform: in a traditional telco plant, there are giant air dryers, blowing into ducts, to keep positive pressure

asciilifeform: my understanding is that these, at least where i live, and in a number of other places, have given out - and never replaced

asciilifeform: instead, there are tanks of co2 chained to poles here and there

asciilifeform: the one on my street emptied out a few years ago

asciilifeform: never once replaced.

asciilifeform: eventually, the one or two remaining copper subscribers will complain. and perhaps it will be re-filled. or not.

BingoBoingo: All of the good technologies come with expiration dates.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: Shame encryption on Amateur radio frequencies is a crime << eventually, u.s. folks who want genuine net will need to commit this - or some other - crime.

asciilifeform: and, given that 'one may as well hang for a sheep as a lamb,' why stick to only 2m.

asciilifeform: plenty of quiet spectrum, there for the taking, esp. if one only needs a few km of range.

BingoBoingo: Very good point. I supposed 2m because it is just so common.

ThickAsThieves: lordy, the forum and bitpay wanna move the bitcoin decimal to two places

asciilifeform: the correct way to do 'pirate radio' net is - frequency hopping 'spread spectrum.' meet the other local node people in person, to agree on a key.

BingoBoingo: Fuck them. The decimal can move two spaces to the left

ThickAsThieves: how do they not see that an arbitrary change will only cause confusion and likely fail at being adopted

asciilifeform: folks who like to eat shit - can eat it. others will continue to eat food.

joecool: pankkake: you're thinking georgians, they'll cut into anything remotely resembling a wire, source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/06/georgian-woman-cuts-web-access

asciilifeform: in usa, desperados are attaching trucks to hv cables and driving off.

pankkake: yeah, I know that story. copper stealing is a worldwide plague done by various people

BingoBoingo: Yeah. Optic net is also a possibility. Fiber without the fiber.

pankkake: and some don't even know how to spot copper and cut the fiber

asciilifeform: in a functioning empire, the penalty would be - sizzling in the electric chair. right there, in the bed of a specially-built police truck.

asciilifeform: but see mp's story of the last emperor.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: optical line-of-sight would work well in places other than usa - ones where people still live in cities

joecool: lasernet

asciilifeform: (can easily think of creative penalties for buyers of stolen copper. say, hanging with same stolen cable. on a hv mast.)

joecool: my state had a unique copper problem

asciilifeform: sorta like how, in old scotland, they had a contraption very similar to the later guillotine - 'scottish gibbet' - where a cattle or horse thief would find the animal he stole attached to a rope, which pulls out the peg, blade falls.

joecool: we kept getting floods so people threw out things like refrigerators (with coils)

joecool: the municipalities though would sell scrap licenses for these discarded items and arrest anyone who picked it up without a permit

asciilifeform: hard to think of how else the crown could distinguish between legit and thieving metal recyclers.

fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: the adoption argument is that it seems "more like a currency" because we're used to 2 decimal places, and most account software can't work with more than 2 anyway

asciilifeform: refrigerators, unlike cars, don't come with legal titles

BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Have the accounting software work satoshis then.

asciilifeform: and once it is melted down - metal is metal

fluffypony: BingoBoingo: well, yes, that's exactly what's been suggested

fluffypony: and ignored

joecool: fluffypony: well could adopt the tonal system and TBC like Luke-Jr wanted :P

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: True. Picking the radio bands over US style distances presents challenges though.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: real time tcp/ip, over 1000s of km, for millions of people - is a luxury.

asciilifeform: a usenet-style system, where messages might resort to travelling in a truck full of disk, seems inevitable in a scenario like this.

ozbot: Home

BingoBoingo: Of course. Stationwagon net is always an option.

joecool: 1000's of km? gonna need relays or a signal that can bounce

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07254245 = 0.9431 BTC [-] {3}

bounce sets joecool on fire

asciilifeform: anything that transmits over 1000km is a fat target.

bounce: usenet? can start with resurrecting uucp (or fido)

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0725104 = 0.7976 BTC [-] {3}

asciilifeform: bounce: resurrecting fido << see the point earlier about the destroyed 'bell' copper in usa

asciilifeform: i, for one, have no copper phone line, and know no one who still does

bounce: there's some interesting digital modulations about. if I ever get around to a HAM licence I'd probably still dump crypted data on the wire along with a readable call sign

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07237324 = 0.8685 BTC [-] {5}

bounce: who says fido depends on copper?

asciilifeform: bounce: the other hams will eagerly turn you in

joecool: lol yeah cannot do that :P

bounce: who's to know? I'm doing experiments with me mate

bounce: "yeah new modulation guv"

asciilifeform: bounce: it relies on some reasonably general-purpose channel, of whatever bandwidth

BingoBoingo: High Bandwidth http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-2006-Dodge-Magnum-SRT8-t30836#listing=84198839

BingoBoingo: bounce: HAMs tend to be a territorial and snitchy bunch

bounce: one option might be to get a boating radio licence. they're already throwing packet over those frequencies for email-to-boat

asciilifeform: in usa at least, 'hams' know that they live at the pleasure of the crown, various folks are always hungry for their spectrum pie

asciilifeform: so they eagerly rat out violators.

artifexd: ThickAsThieves: Had it been done at the beginning 1mn satoshis to the bitcoin would have made more sense. That would have made 2.1 billion bitcoin in total and maybe that number would have made people register that 21 million was not an arbitrary number and making coins with more is just a fucking headache.

bounce: well, then forget about the licence and go entirely pirate with a spread-spectrum frequency-hopping whatever construct.

asciilifeform: bounce: suggested earlier. and, of course, by many other people, in the past.

bounce: or stick to linking up wifi nodes with dish antennae. that goes a while too.

bounce: the thing there is that you need ready access to hardware, or at least schematics simple enough for the hobbyist to cobble together.

bounce: doesn't have to be very efficient. ttl everything will do as long as it works.

asciilifeform: the point i wanted to make was that anything other than a very broad, military-style spread spectrum setup, with hop keys exchanged in person, is simply a beacon for the gasenwagen.

joecool: 20-30mi with 5GHZ line of sight is feasible, i used to live on a mountain and experimented with some pretty long links

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.47277687 = 2.3639 BTC [-] {5}

joecool: there's a site you can use to check what mountains are in the way

asciilifeform: good luck setting up a line-of-sight anything in u.s. suburbia.

fluffypony: joecool: lol

joecool: asciilifeform: need height

fluffypony: joecool: we should suggest TonalDogecoin

bounce: put up a mast?

fluffypony: see how it goes down

joecool: again, a mountain helps a lot

asciilifeform: put up a mast << might as well hoist a black flag on same mast.

joecool: i had a 30mi clear shot from my back deck of old house to an observation deck @ a state park

mircea_popescu: <pankkake> "let me tell you a story" contradictor falls asleep, win by default << o lies and slander. my stories kick ass

jborkl: www.bcoinnews.com < see how well bitcoin investigations go

asciilifeform: i dare to invoke the 'parachute theorem,' and say that the time to build comm infrastructure out of the real (or imagined) control of the crown is now, and not when it becomes a dire necessity.

mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> yeah, well the stigma did not create itself << stigma means, of course, a stain.

bounce: so get cracking.

asciilifeform: and to think that it is purely an 'american problem' - is a mistake.

bounce: ;;google mesh potato

gribble: Village Telco » Mesh Potato: <http://villagetelco.org/mesh-potato/>; Village Telco » Mesh Potato: <http://villagetelco.org/category/village-telco/mesh-potato/>; Mesh Potatoes - Village Telco Store Village Telco Store: <https://store.villagetelco.com/mesh-potatoes.html>

mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> maybe im simpleminded << buzz off. next you're going to claim you're psychopath too ?!

asciilifeform: if you're 'meshing' with consumer hardware, on fixed, documented frequencies - you're a target.

bounce: bunch of those would be a convenient start. though I really would prefer a nice high gain omni on top.

asciilifeform: if you're pumping out kWatts of whatever, wherever - you're a target.

asciilifeform: etc

bounce: it's a proven design. now move the radio to some neverland(, and see which military outfit shows up)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you are mistaken in the following sense : i ruled, undisturbed, undisturbable, before the internet was invented.

mircea_popescu: should a government - any government - take things back to that level, it'd be to their detriment, not to mine.

mircea_popescu: the jury's still out on the topic of whether they can win 2014. the jury however is not out on whether they can win 1994.

mircea_popescu: that's soundly decided.

BingoBoingo: bounce you know a number of missile targeting systems seek RF emissions.

asciilifeform: seems like we're in for an eternal rematch of 1994

bounce: once "TSHTF" enforcement agencies will become haphazard in their actions, so nicely spread out stashes would help a lot

mircea_popescu: i couldn't be better served.

asciilifeform: how many of us expected the key escrow crap to slip right in the second time?

mircea_popescu: what second time ?

asciilifeform: let's say '04, to make it nice & round.

bounce thinks the discussion is not constructive. anybody recall why the internet is structured like it is? because it can withstand damage and route around it.

asciilifeform: bounce: you're thinking of arpanet

joecool: asciilifeform: why not use existing infrastructure, figure out how to inject a signal into powerline

mircea_popescu: bounce used to. meanwhile shit like apple happened.

asciilifeform: joecool: ever tried this personally?

asciilifeform: goes great, until first transformer.

bounce: the goal isn't to cook up an invulnerable system. the goal is to cook up a resilient system. ten different systems working together would be even better.

asciilifeform: bounce: original design was to resist nukes, rather than a million squads of dutiful monkeys in vans

joecool: asciilifeform: yeah i knew that much, but could still use HV lines to go a distance, no?

asciilifeform: it would be interesting to study the design of 'Gladio' radio sets - made for stay-behind partizans in nato europe

bounce: shit, do fido or uucp over long-range bluetooth for all I care. with nodes hid in stones.

asciilifeform: some of these have popped up on surplus market.

mircea_popescu: lol kako, bbbb still derping on ?

BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q15X25

ozbot: Q15X25 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

kakobrekla: mircea_popescu , proudly.

joecool: asciilifeform: the idea would be to mesh a town, and use HV lines to link to other towns

joecool: (in theory)

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/these-fucktards-have-to-be-immortalised-theyre-worse-than-dr-foreskin-even/

ozbot: These fucktards have to be immortalised, they’re worse than Dr. Foreskin even pe Trilema - Un blog

mircea_popescu: related.

kakobrekla: thats not him

mircea_popescu: surf capital ? o yes it is.

asciilifeform: joecool: HV lines to link to other towns << works, until the king's men 'helpfully' install filters

mircea_popescu: "The Bitcoin Emerging Market Fund (BBBB) initiated a position in the Neo & Bee Payment Network (Havelock: NEOBEE) on 03/07 buying 18 shares. The fund will continue to increase this position in the near term. I love the tangibility of NEOBEEs assets. They have brick and mortar branches and will be providing vital financial services to an area that has traditionally been under-banked. I must note, however, there

mircea_popescu: is substantial political risk with this investment. We, as investors, do not know how the Cypriot government will act toward a new financial institution like this. This is especially true given the political turmoil occuring in Ukraine and the Crimea region."

asciilifeform: 'against transients caused by Klimate Change'

mircea_popescu: them.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do these "king's men" communicate ?

mircea_popescu: how does the king prevent them from working for me ?

asciilifeform: lol - that's step 2 of the game.

mircea_popescu: you imagine this situation of perfect loyalty and imperfect communications.

bounce: what'd be the most widely available stuff that does ssb? I'd expect 27mc. which, since there's lots of crap going on there anyway, wouldn't be a bad band to use

asciilifeform: would be nice to see the transition to step 2 sooner, rather than later

mircea_popescu: such a thing is nonsensical, much like any scenario breaing thermodynamicsa.

mircea_popescu: but the transition happens in its own time for its own reasons, you see.

mircea_popescu: that's why it's cheap and effectual : we don't seduce women, we just deign to notice the ones that've seduced themselves already.

jborkl: you cant tell me they really referenced BTCjam on credit ratings?

mircea_popescu: jborkl i can and i do.

kakobrekla: ok so mircea_popescu , dr foreskin : http://mulhauser.net and bbbb idiots (2) https://sites.google.com/site/surfcapitalmgmt/asset-management

kakobrekla: different thing.

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the article says x is worse than y. thus it's about x, not y.

jborkl: well, I guess people really refernced spongebobs bestie too

jborkl: sp

jborkl: Maybe Patricks Foreskin investment total return fund

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you imagine this situation of perfect loyalty and imperfect communications << point! the buggers are spotty even at using rsa. how do you say 'funkspiel' in english?

kakobrekla: ok i have no argument about that.

mircea_popescu: <mike_c> must be missing something.. << or you've just been touched by the gods for once.

mircea_popescu: !up tris

assbot: Voicing tris for 30 minutes.

asciilifeform: funkspiel. радиоигра. english == ???

asciilifeform: ;;google funkspiel

gribble: Funkspiel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funkspiel>; Funkspiel Zwickau [NONG: Funkspiel] TeamSpeak - LIVE view ...: <http://www.tsviewer.com/index.php?page=ts_viewer&ID=987701>; Werbevideo vom Funkspiel-Flughafen-München - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVAE7I6CkL0>

mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/02/opinion/egan-sports-the-most-progressive-force-in-america.html <<< lmao they say that as if it were somehow a good thing. lulzy shit.

BingoBoingo: http://www.cryptomuseum.com/spy/gladio/

ozbot: Gladio

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yes - them.

mircea_popescu: i think you must wreite it like GLADIO

mircea_popescu: i noticed that is how you must write everything about these things

BingoBoingo: Interesting hardware ascii

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you study the other exhibits on that site, you will learn that even 1950s soviet 'spy radio' designers understood that one must send very rare messages, in the shortest possible bursts

mircea_popescu: <MarieLynn> Before that I was a tour guide across North America, I started at 18. And a nanny too :) << now how do you figure that being a tour guide and a nanny transitions to providing leadership services for the world's most important project ?

bounce: http://www.cryptomuseum.com/spy/gladio/

ozbot: Gladio

asciilifeform: russian sets of that period came with hole punchers (similar to the ubiquitous hand-cranked office label printers)

kakobrekla: i already gave her instructions

jborkl: You get to listen to a bunch of titybabies cry all day?

asciilifeform: punch holes in ordinary 35mm film, feed into machine later

asciilifeform: this was mainly from a shortage of master 'morsemen'

mircea_popescu: <bitcoinpete> But if the neutralistas got their way, people in developing countries wouldnt have better Internet access; many of them would have nothing" << omfg who the shit cares about the poor, what sort of braindamaged argument is this.

mircea_popescu: eat the motherfucking poor.

bounce: hah, double post. n'mind then.

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah im like behind

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they include 'for the good of the poor' in any official proclamation now. as in 'the good of the proletariat' and whatnot.

bounce: it'd be useful to have a bursting service on your radio

mircea_popescu: and i can't catch up because you're all into explody talkmode

kakobrekla: wait lemme +m

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much exactly. which is why a lot more "fuck the poor, they're less than dirt" needs to be stated explicitly.

mircea_popescu: otherwise the general fucktarded populace may end up confused, cause they're simple signal processors.

mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/462354080372097024

mircea_popescu: they keep hearing "coca cola is a drink" they end up thinking it's a drink.

mircea_popescu: retarded shit like that.

asciilifeform: eat recycled food!

asciilifeform: it's good for the environment - and ok fer you!

bounce: soylent brown

mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> living in usa, i admit i'm rather surprised that it is 2014 and i'm not yet forced to pay $500/mo to get something other than ArsebookNet << i think they're running way behind schedule.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> and wonders like fidonet will return from the grave. << where do you think you're now ?

mircea_popescu: fluffypony lmao "chinese rules". i dunno dood, afaik the chinese are the most druggy whoring of the whole lot.

fluffypony: lol

bounce: that oauth hole isn't really fixable, is it?

mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> lordy, the forum and bitpay wanna move the bitcoin decimal to two places << enemies of the people.

fluffypony: bounce: not without whitelists

mircea_popescu: bounce indeed.

mircea_popescu: !up SuchWow

assbot: Voicing SuchWow for 30 minutes.

mircea_popescu: fucking broken by design "security"

ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: http://t.co/VLyAis0h7B I've ...

bounce: superfluous apostrophe is superfluous

mircea_popescu: <joecool> the municipalities though would sell scrap licenses for these discarded items and arrest anyone who picked it up without a permit << fucking outrageous. selling licenses on MY trash ? heh.

fluffypony: SuchWow: unusual seeing you here

joecool: mircea_popescu: yeah, the same logic applies on recyclables

SuchWow: Thanks, first I've heard of the chan :)

mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> and ignored << just because some inconsequential idiots a la bitpay & the forum are herping away dun mean anything's been ignored. you can't ignore the judge, or the bullet.

Namworld: Move decimals to two places? You mean as in making 1 BTC = 100 satoshi?

fluffypony: Namworld: yes

fluffypony: how are they feeding values in to an accounting system anyway?

fluffypony: by hand?

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> bounce: HAMs tend to be a territorial and snitchy bunch << only because no real political pressure has been applied to them yet, because nobody gave a shit. normally the sewer rats are also a snitchy, territorial bunch. nevertheless, nobody in the lower east side would talk to a cop, pre ww2.

fluffypony: coz if it's programmatic they should be working in satoshis anyway

mircea_popescu: they prolly don't know about this, or anything else.

Namworld: What? That's retarded. We'd end up with 2000 BTC to the dollar and a shitload of BTC. Plus that wouldn't change anything at all, actually.

mircea_popescu: heck, they probably have bitcoin defined as a real.

mircea_popescu: Namworld they imagine it'd make more noobs buy, and so make their worthless holdings worth somerthing.

mircea_popescu: because they imagine bitcoin is a consumer affair

mircea_popescu: because they're braindamaged.

mircea_popescu: fluffypony who's he ?

Namworld: Plus you know a few places would scam people "We only owe you X BTC" and the generic moron would go "I knew it, BTC under 1 dollar by the end of the year."

fluffypony: who's he who?

Namworld: Plus much derping around.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> good luck setting up a line-of-sight anything in u.s. suburbia. << why ?

mircea_popescu: fluffypony the SuchWow guy.

fluffypony: mircea_popescu: oh, he's an op in #dogecoin

SuchWow: I hang out in a large number of bitcoin and dogecoin related chans

mircea_popescu: Namworld i can see that, yeah. there's nothing like "confusion" when the "confused" stands to make a buck from it.

mircea_popescu: ic.

SuchWow: Looking through your websites now, very impressive info.

mircea_popescu: http://www.bcoinnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/wtf1.gif this jborkl stuff is pretty good lol

Namworld: Go in suburbia, stand any random spot, look around. Line of sight to plenty of solid points will be found. Get creative. (Are we still talking about creating a comm mesh?)

mircea_popescu: one of the many threads but yes.

mircea_popescu: you can have flying objects in suburbia, you can definitely have stuff hid inside tree tops, etc.

mircea_popescu: so trendon shavers managed to funel ~70k through his paypal account. to which paypal gave no trouble at all. why aren't they co-defendants in his case ?

mircea_popescu: because his lawyer is fucktarded that's why.

mircea_popescu: 11k for gas and groceries. and then they claim no inflation eh ?

mircea_popescu: "proceeds on btc sold : 600k. trading losses, 150k. net 450k" heh.

mircea_popescu: he's almost as bad as the forum average, 25% loss over a year.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: treetops, flying machines parked on office roofs, charging solar, etc. - sure. line of sight to a friendly window, city-style - not likely.

mircea_popescu: well that all depends, i guess. what's to keep you from cutting a square foot window in the tree ?

mircea_popescu: put a glass panel in your fence ?

asciilifeform: what's to keep the stoolies from using their eyes?

mircea_popescu: how many stoolies, how many eyes and who;'s going to derp on your land ?

mircea_popescu: maybe they get shot.

mircea_popescu: accidents happen, and stoolies are in all times and places the first to also have problems.

asciilifeform: since we're at the 'pack parachute' stage, nobody's shooting stoolies around here yet.

mircea_popescu: that's the only reason, too.

mircea_popescu: as i said a few times before, the other party can move it up to getting shot any time it feels ready

mircea_popescu: talk to its fambly, say goodbies, come to the field.

bounce: drones with mesh potatoes and solar panels for autonomy. some proximity sensors and such. one roof gets too hot for comfort, move to the next.

bounce: what's the state of thin foil solar panels anyway?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or to put it in plainer terms : it is very true one wants to invent parachute before, rather than after being thrown from the plane.

mircea_popescu: this point applies to the government.

mircea_popescu: i am quite curious to hear what their parachute design will look like.

asciilifeform: everybody's seen the photos of fleets of gasenwagen, brand new

mircea_popescu: stoolies being what they are, i'll prolly hear about it before they actually accept it.

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/georg-ritter-von-flondor-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/

ozbot: Georg Ritter von Flondor, and what his unhappy life can teach us pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Pope

mircea_popescu: time to rehash the sad story of von flondor.

kakobrekla: this is what tat was talking about ?

kakobrekla: http://newsbtc.com/2014/05/02/bitpay-wants-display-bitcoin-prices-bits/

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hey, why isn't enky ever say anything ?

fluffypony: kakobrekla: yes

MarieLynn: <+mircea_popescu> what is the world's most important project ? (re: 18:06)

kakobrekla: i dunno, he speaks just not much here.

kakobrekla: OMG how dare you MarieLynn !

mircea_popescu: MarieLynn http://trilema.com/2013/things-that-matter-these-days-things-that-dont-matter-these-days/

mircea_popescu: the great days when diff was like... 300mn.

mircea_popescu: .d

ozbot: 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1539 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.1417% in 9d 14h 27m 34s

thestringpuller: 4.2.1

mircea_popescu: back when benkay was liek... correcting my math. how's this benkay baby! six months fixed my broked math.

thestringpuller: ;;calc 2*3

gribble: 6

thestringpuller: lol

asciilifeform: this decimal point crap is a mega-lol. they can't inflate, so... let's move decimal. like in a banana republic, or '90s russia.

mircea_popescu: exactly.

asciilifeform: cargo cult, too. fat lot of good it will do for the idiots.

mircea_popescu: there's more to it asciilifeform. suppose you visit this university, which wants you to take it seriously. in it, the head of nuclear physics is hard at work making an inventory of... his bunions.

mircea_popescu: what's that indicate to you ? i mean sure, great men can be eccentric.

mircea_popescu: nevertheless...

asciilifeform: u.s. academia, in once sentence.

MarieLynn: interesting post :)

mircea_popescu: maybe the bunion accountant has no business in physics, nuclear or otherwise, and the thing ain't an university in any sense.

mircea_popescu: MarieLynn so, that. the one thing that does more than everything else all humans ever did in the entire history of life on earth.

MarieLynn: My friend is looking for a Rails dev @ 120-180K for his kinky site... I wish I was a Rails dev all of a sudden :)

mircea_popescu: for all your poetry and wit couldn't buy you half a hash.

mircea_popescu: davout was a rails dev if memory serves :D

pankkake: it's easy to be a Ruby dev. you just need a macbook and a fedora

asciilifeform: MarieLynn: dev @ 120-180K << lemme guess, california.

MarieLynn: <+mircea_popescu> I will quote you on this when I talk about bitcoin

mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cgcardona http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#656509

gribble: The operation succeeded.

MarieLynn: Nope The position is anywhere.

MarieLynn: Nice opportunity to arbitrage your skills when you live in a super cheap place!

asciilifeform: pankkake: you just need a macbook and a fedora << and a leaden stomach

mircea_popescu: uh. what do you think arbitrage means ?

asciilifeform: note that, e.g. oil rig men get $200K+

pankkake: why? because of starbucks coffees?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not for doing stuff on reddit tho

MarieLynn: You keep living in a cheap place a reap the benefits of working in a place where they pay more for talent.

mircea_popescu: MarieLynn mno. that's getting a good remote job.

pankkake: maybe I should have left for an oil rig

asciilifeform: dealing in redditronics ought to earn a hazard pay, like soviet workers in the far north

asciilifeform: in fact... it sorta does.

mircea_popescu: pankkake i hear you gotta be a fag to man an oil rig.

pankkake: so it's like an union thing

asciilifeform: gotta be a fag to man an oil rig << it's not a nuke sub. they rotate the crew occasionally.

MarieLynn: My other friend in Saskatchewan says construction workers are impossible to find because the mines pay too high :)

asciilifeform: i'm still at a loss as to why gigantic server farms aren't built, in, say, alaska

fluffypony: hah hah

fluffypony: "Tradefortress has no room to bash anyone else besides Karpeles, Pirate, or maybe Mr. NEOBEE, Danny Brewster. Everyone else, small-time scammers included, would be better company at this point."

asciilifeform: or the very same miners.

MarieLynn: My boyfriend beats people up for a living but there are few people in Montreal who are tough enough for his classes.

asciilifeform: 'yeah we're short on cabling, the men delivering had to shoot their dogs'

mircea_popescu: MarieLynn arbitrage is the buying and selling of the same one asset (either natural or synthetic) in different markets that are divergent. so in order to arbitrage skills, you'd have to first buy them. skills aren't commodities however, and so this "arbitrage your skills" is just hipster talk.

MarieLynn: I shall never use it again in your presence then

mircea_popescu: lol ty.

mircea_popescu: tbh i was expecting something more along the lines of "wtf is a synthetic"

asciilifeform: you can get machine racks in shipping containers. drop them straight on the snow, connect to power plant, put a bit of concertina wire around.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so your dc sinks ten feet each summer ?

asciilifeform: i bet they float just fine.

mircea_popescu: how do you find them again if they float ?

asciilifeform: radio?

mircea_popescu: ;;google otters holding hands.

gribble: Otters holding hands - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epUk3T2Kfno>; Otterly adorable: Dozy otters hold hands while taking a nap so they ...: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2421731/Otterly-adorable-Dozy-otters-hold-hands-taking-nap-dont-drift-apart-sleep.html>; Sea otter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_otter>

asciilifeform: or that.

bounce: the offshoring brokers are in a sense arbitraging skills

asciilifeform: anchor.

benkay: who's this MarieLynn ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, i know the daughter of the guy that designed fucking buildings there. it's insanely expensive, you have to anchor i nthe permafrost.

mircea_popescu: benkay see teh log, she actually properly introduced herself.

pankkake: benkay: use the WoT, m8

asciilifeform: ammonal is expensive now?

benkay: ;;gettrust MarieLynn

gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask MarieLynn!4a74bfc2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.116.191.194. Trust relationship from user benkay to user MarieLynn: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=MarieLynn | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MarieLynn | Rated since: Fri May 2 14:21:45 2014

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen, for your average "rich american" 10 cubic meters of cement are expensive.

mircea_popescu: don't go telling me about how a 200 meter long pike is nothing.

asciilifeform: average american will not be hosting in the klondike, agreed.

mircea_popescu: bounce yeah, something like that, perhaps.

asciilifeform: almost certainly good ROI though if you factor cooling.

mircea_popescu: up until some derps come to confiscate your cattle