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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00097271 = 21.5942 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2899 @ 0.00097198 = 2.8178 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06698979 = 0.134 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15501 @ 0.0009699 = 15.0344 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02899999 = 0.174 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.054 = 0.108 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.053999 = 0.216 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00097357 = 2.726 BTC [+]
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 252 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.7964% in 1d 11h 32m 13s
BingoBoingo: The Wizard lives
Duffer1: !up ukyo
assbot: Voicing ukyo for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.52565556 = 5.2566 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18475 @ 0.00097395 = 17.9937 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up numerisTrade
assbot: Voicing numerisTrade for 30 minutes.
numerisTrade: thanks
numerisTrade: hi all, hi BingoBoingo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.52999999 = 2.65 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Welcome, what's up?
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot numerisTrade
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user numerisTrade: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=numerisTrade | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=numerisTrade | Rated since: Thu Apr 3 07:04:18 2014
numerisTrade: will authenticate in a minute
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: What sort of stuff do you do?
numerisTrade: gradually paving my way to bitcoin finance, currently starting with secured loans / repo transactions on small scale
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0050905 = 0.5091 BTC [+] {4}
numerisTrade: any feedback would be very much appreciated
BingoBoingo: I'm a bit tipsy, but I'll take a look at it.
BingoBoingo: Wait TheRock is a thing? I made an account there once hoping to dump freexrp without a colonoscopy, but... seemed sketch
numerisTrade: well, I don't trust them with a lot of money, but everything seemed ok
numerisTrade: I had some technical issues once, the support reacted quickly
BingoBoingo: Well I guess since the second life thing they trade has been around, they probably function. It's just like they added support for crypto currencies while neglecting any sort of outreach. Also their limits seemed kind of crap when I tried them.
BingoBoingo: !up jordandotdev
assbot: Voicing jordandotdev for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up Ukyo
assbot: Voicing Ukyo for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up numerisTrade
assbot: Voicing numerisTrade for 30 minutes.
numerisTrade: thanks again
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: You're welcome. Since the channel's quiet I'm trying to think about ways to give you level 2 with Assbot by trusting you that involve risk incurred on your part.
BingoBoingo: So you can self up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00097158 = 8.4527 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: You lend right?
numerisTrade: trying to, yes
fluffypony stretches
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Pick a baseball game happening tomorrow
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: borrowing when tipsy...? :-P
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: No.
numerisTrade: I don't know anything about baseball
numerisTrade: I know only how baseball bat looks like
fluffypony: numerisTrade: that makes two of us
fluffypony: my knowledge of baseball comes from two weeks in St. Louis
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Well, since lending is about pricing risk I was going to suppose a challenge where you might price risk for trust
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: The best place to get baseball knowledge
fluffypony: where all I had hammered into me was "Cardinals good, Pujols good"
fluffypony: "everyone else bad"
BingoBoingo: No, Pujols is washed up and Hollywood nao
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yeah this was in early 2010
BingoBoingo: It's all about Yadier Molina now
BingoBoingo: I was In front of a classroom when Prince Albert betrayed us.
numerisTrade: maybe some other example?
BingoBoingo: A number of students were shaken the rest of the morning after I broke the news
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Well I was going to suppose something along the lines of:
BingoBoingo: 1) You pick an event and outcome
BingoBoingo: 2) I pick a price for the outcome
BingoBoingo: 3) maybe we haggle a bit
BingoBoingo: 4) we agree to an unescrowed bet.
BingoBoingo: 5) If you win the bet you get coins and lended trust, or you lose and pay for trust for being a person of word in this matter
numerisTrade: ok, would you agree if we conducted this later on today? e.g. 2 p.m. GMT?
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: I may not be awake then, but if I am I would still be amenable.
BingoBoingo: Since this is a kind of novel thing it may be best if we keep the stakes low at 0.01 BTC simply because unescrowed bets have such a poor history in BTC so far thanks to MNW
numerisTrade: I agree, as you might have noticed, I'm still quite small
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: We are all small, this space is still small. I mean +m only happened Friday.
numerisTrade: I noticed :)
BingoBoingo: MNW was an episode in BTC history worth researching.
BingoBoingo: I'd also be open to considering sports where you might have the knowledge advantage provided you can specify a decent resolution source.
numerisTrade: ok, I'll prepare something. If you aren't on the channel then, I'll leave you a message, I'll be on the channel up till 21:00 GMT, or we'll meet tomorrow same time as today
fluffypony: MNW = Matthew N. Wright
fluffypony: a blight on the Bitcoin landscape
HeySteve: another scammer from old times?
fluffypony: HeySteve: not entirely
fluffypony: he had a bet that he lost
numerisTrade: fluffypony, yeah, googled him
fluffypony: and he didn't pay
joecool: Matthew N. Wright is a former Republican member of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives.
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: My waking hours as well as my online hours can be rather unpredictable even for myself. If you can find and event and we can agree to it before it plays I'd be amenable.
HeySteve: ah that's bad form, a man honours his debts
fluffypony: joecool: lol
BingoBoingo: "ah that's bad form, a man honours his debts" and "assbot removes voice from Ukyo" Fortuitous? Maybe I am just drunk and dense?
numerisTrade: ok, thanks
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: What are your thoughts on this unescrowed bet as an entante that might establish a measure of trust?
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I like the idea
fluffypony: and the risk to both parties is minimal
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Well, what if the newcoming party is especially new?
fluffypony: well we're talking about establishing a baseline
fluffypony: and the WOT will link the new party back to you
fluffypony: and the amount will surely be mentioned in the rating
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Sure
fluffypony: which means the educated user won't trust way beyond that
fluffypony: until the baseline has moved
fluffypony: which happens over time
BingoBoingo: But on the matter of +m being a thing, isn't the person with L1 trust offering a chance at L2 trust taking a substantial risk
BingoBoingo: !up numerisTrade
assbot: Voicing numerisTrade for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: it depends
fluffypony: if the newcomer ends up being a scammer, for instance
fluffypony: will those scammed come back to you and say "I trusted X because you trusted them!"
fluffypony: or will they, BEFORE trading/borrowing/whatevering, come to you and say "why do you trust X?"
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: I mean people can /ignore, but if the person who socially engineers trust for the purpose of spamming gets to self up, the only recourse is for the L1 to remove their trust or themselves be dropped
fluffypony: it seems to me that it should be the latter, but all too often it's the former
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: agreed
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Well coming and asking is the ony way a WoT works.
fluffypony: or even changing their rating to negative based on their observation of it
HeySteve: hey fluffypony, that reminds me, would you rate me for that deal we did?
fluffypony: HeySteve: sure
HeySteve: thanks you trusted me for about $500, I will return the favour
fluffypony: ;;rate HeySteve 2 ~$500 ZAR interbank (EFT) transfer for my BTC/LTC, smooth like pineapple juice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00097414 = 7.1599 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user HeySteve has been recorded.
HeySteve: heh pineapple juice
BingoBoingo: ;;rate numerisTrade 1 Trust offered on credit
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user numerisTrade has been recorded.
numerisTrade: thank you!
numerisTrade: you are very generous
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Well I plan to remove/expire this loaned trust on Thursday unless we can find something to risk and establish a longer term lending of trust over.
fluffypony: what's interesting about WoT vs. something like BTCJam's profiles is that WoT makes the long-con substantially more difficult
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: For the time in the interim I offer you the ability to self up so that you can answer questions on your lending venture and establish value with others or undertake some sort of risk to honor.
fluffypony: on BTCJam I see a LOT of people with "reputation" loans
fluffypony: they lend 5-10 times, various amounts
fluffypony: and because they've paid back they're considered trustworthy
fluffypony: but there's literally no other reason to trust them than they have a couple of months of not screwing anyone over
BingoBoingo: Reputation loans have always been a problem.
numerisTrade: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'numerisTrade', with hostmask 'numerisTrade!57ccf3c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.204.243.194', is identified as user 'numerisTrade', with GPG key id 3B5A64169734D48F, key fingerprint 8D77A1296B71AD54AD09F2FD3B5A64169734D48F, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: Tradefortress was a horrible social engineering problem
fluffypony: yeah that was a mess
HeySteve: WoT is a deep system, very interesting
BingoBoingo: HeySteve: Honestly the biggest plus of bitcoin is that it compels WoT
HeySteve: yeah I'd say any kind of decentralised commerce needs such a system
fluffypony: I wonder if guys like that hoard their stash or end up living the high life for a few months before being broke?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Like MNW? In his case there is no way to know that he ever had a stash.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I was thinking more like TF
ozbot: Weev Talks About Life In Prison And His Plans To Open A Hedge Fund, TRO LLC | TechCrunch
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Still similar.
BingoBoingo: "Weev: One can abandon their citizenship in a tyranny for more reasonable shores. That’s about it. “Three Felonies a Day” is a great book explaining the commonplace reality of capricious indictments."
BingoBoingo: "They will not indict you because you are a bad operator. They will indict you because you are there. I overturned my verdict only because I am an asshole. "
BingoBoingo: !up eqx
assbot: Voicing eqx for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: How's the wife?
BingoBoingo: Tell anyone new to fuck themselves recently?
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: good, she's gone to gym already
fluffypony: not since the last time someone insulted her
BingoBoingo: Well, this stuff has to be in the logs for future reference. I mean how old was the Trilema when she took the pic?
fluffypony: how old was the trilema?
fluffypony: *blank*
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: You remember the title better than I... ;;google title
fluffypony: aaah I see what you mean
fluffypony: from a year ago
fluffypony: although I didn't know of its existence till it was pointed out
BingoBoingo: Exactly.
BingoBoingo: Finding the important stuff takes time.
fluffypony: maybe mircea should email people he blogs about so that they know
fluffypony: or there could be an alert service
fluffypony: "You've been Trilema'd!"
BingoBoingo: You'd be surprised how quickly Mircea found my blog once I'd opened it and it had been months since I had been a regular in -assets
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: maybe he has a Google alert notification for his name?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: He dun google
fluffypony: DuckDuckGo, then
joecool: BingoBoingo: your site down?
BingoBoingo: joecool: No, just... not optimally fast
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: my nick / name wasn't mentioned on the post, except in the screenshot of the thread, so discovery would've been tricky
joecool: BingoBoingo: only been waiting like 30s for it to load
joecool: and counting :-\
BingoBoingo: joecool: That is concerning...
fluffypony: joecool: it loaded quickly for me?
BingoBoingo: It has been slow this past hour or so on the control panel, but the web side was responsive.
fluffypony: oh now it isn't
fluffypony: she's broken BingoBoingo :(
BingoBoingo fills out a support ticket and awaits bitcoin prices that can support a 1U server rack from endowment funds.
jurov: fluffypony: you know about rss ?
fluffypony: jurov: yes, but I didn't have Trilema in my feeds a year ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0051 = 1.02 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Support ticket filed.
BingoBoingo: Incense lit.
BingoBoingo: May BTC appreciate enough in the next year that one of these and colo be covered by the endowment http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101836
BingoBoingo: Also blog seems very responsive nao that ticket was filed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26414 @ 0.00097416 = 25.7315 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Sleep mode
bounce: america not democratic, say princeton boffins: https://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.00097418 = 22.1626 BTC [+] {2}
dignork: bounce: good read on US democracy, probably was menation here before: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2009/01/gentle-introduction-to-unqualified.html
dignork: *mentioned
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0286 = 0.1144 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1300 @ 0.00016026 = 0.2083 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1200 @ 0.00010118 = 0.1214 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.0051 = 0.4641 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00097153 = 30.0689 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.0009761 = 17.1794 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
mircea_popescu: hey how the hell is rithm voiced! scam!
pankkake: John K back again
mircea_popescu: 4th time ?
mircea_popescu: okay so just in case... anyone got a current contact for weev ?
dub: visit him in jail with a message stowed in your anus
fluffypony: he's out of jail atm?
dub: oh, then write it on a hotdog and throw it up the hallway that was his ass
mircea_popescu: dub scamconviction got vacated yo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05250221 = 0.105 BTC [-]
ozbot: Mt. Gox Files for Liquidation - WSJ.com
ozbot: 'PGP' encryption has had stay-powering but does it meet today's enterprise demands? - CSO | The Reso
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 173 @ 0.00511054 = 0.8841 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51000242 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51000148 = 1.53 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02862602 = 0.2863 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05391665 = 0.3235 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51 = 2.04 BTC [-]
pankkake: didn't even know BullionRock existed
mircea_popescu: pankkake earlier this small island in the channel said it won't impose regulations
mircea_popescu: i dunno how far i'd trust them to stick with it, but so far it's been encouraging people.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0660001 = 0.528 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.066 = 1.782 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: Assembly is such a wise ass. Its like yah dude I know the deal, I'm in here eryday
fluffypony: assbot is amazing!
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
ozbot: Oleg Andreev - BitUndo can destroy instant 0-confirmation transactions
thestringpuller: $depth mpoe
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['1599 @ 0.00097149', '15602 @ 0.00096589', '7100 @ 0.00095965', '9100 @ 0.00095903', '1000 @ 0.00095001']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['23988 @ 0.00097649', '18750 @ 0.00097667', '3846 @ 0.0009779', '19450 @ 0.00097963', '24900 @ 0.00098016']
fluffypony: numerisTrade: ¡ola!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pgp article << what kind of dope do i need to smoke for this one to make sense ??
numerisTrade: yes, fluffypony?
fluffypony: numerisTrade: just saying hello :)
fluffypony: asciilifeform: managementthink
numerisTrade: ¡ola!, fluffypony :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: weev article << 'TRO LLC (yes, the troll corporation), based in generating actionable financial intelligence from the computer underground. The primary strategy will be short equities' << poor sod, sits in usa, waits for nailgun.
nubbins`: "does PGP public-key encryption still meet today's enterprise demands, given the rise of cloud computing and mobile?"
nubbins`: "does encryption still make sense, now that we're looser than ever with our sensitive data?"
asciilifeform: meet today's enterprise demands << only ROT-13 can possibly meet demands!
nubbins`: too complicated, can't we just share all this stuff on the network drive?
nubbins`: !up davout
assbot: Voicing davout for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: !up Kushedout
assbot: Voicing Kushedout for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: !up numerisTrade
assbot: Voicing numerisTrade without time-limit.
nubbins`: !up MobGod
assbot: Voicing MobGod for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: !up dr3
assbot: Voicing dr3 for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: !up smidge
assbot: Voicing smidge for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: !up zoinky
assbot: Voicing zoinky for 30 minutes.
davout: nubbins`: wanna light some jasmine candles and talk about our feelings?
nubbins`: only if they're thin and green
ozbot: Leonard Cohen-one of us cannot be wrong (original) - YouTube
zoinky: 30 minutes wooo
dR3: wooo
nubbins`: for that matter:
ozbot: Lagwagon Let's Talk About Feelings (full album) - YouTube
dR3: merci
nubbins`: hmm, Voicing numerisTrade without time-limit?
nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot numerisTrade
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask numerisTrade!~numeris@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl. Trust relationship from user assbot to user numerisTrade: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=numerisTrade | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=numerisTrade | Rated since: Thu Apr 3 07:04:18 2014
nubbins`: ah, look at that
numerisTrade: I was wondering why are you voicing me. I mean, that's kind of you, but...
nubbins`: ...unnecessary? :D
nubbins`: i just upped everyone who's joined since i did ;(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1599 @ 0.00097149 = 1.5534 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 17 @ 0.05399999 = 0.918 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18384 @ 0.00097133 = 17.8569 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80741 @ 0.00096747 = 78.1145 BTC [-] {2}
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm just beginning to read the mathew n Wright forum. Anyone want to give me a summary of the ending first?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 48 @ 0.0075 = 0.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1950 @ 0.00013991 = 0.2728 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4305 @ 0.0001162 = 0.5002 BTC [-] {7}
jurov: ..lived happily ever after.
bounce: ... the butler did it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52984286 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52990032 = 1.0598 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00554509 = 0.2495 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: Thanks guys...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00554489 = 0.1608 BTC [-]
Duffer1: sorry man that all was before my time, not sure what all happened
TomServo: He didn't pay, if I recall correctly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
TomServo: !up mjr_
assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
mjr_: thanks?
rithm: did i break your chats with mursiks
TomServo: TestingUnoDosTre: 9 September 2012 Matthew Neal Wright (mentioned above) had been offering interested parties bets on whether the Bitcoin Savings and Trust will fail or not. Numerous people took the bet, MNW failed to pay out when the collapse of that Ponzi scheme became fact. Consequently scammertagged in the forum.
ozbot: The Bitcoin Drama Timeline pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 90 @ 0.0075 = 0.675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.46002048 BTC to 8`421 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
TestingUnoDosTre: So he didn't pay it all out, or he did pay some?
TomServo: I don't believe he paid at all
rithm: MNW paid some people privately
rithm: and others not at all
rithm: i used to think he paid no one but I've since learned differently
TestingUnoDosTre: Not sure if best or worst scam in entire history of bitcoin...
rithm: why he still hangs around though i dunno he's juvenile
rithm: sortof like micon
rithm: foum is full of them
TestingUnoDosTre: Doesn't look like he has a scammer tag any more
rithm: does a scammer tag on the forum have nay relevance at all?
rithm: i mean what does it mean?
rithm: is theymos a scammer?
rithm: sorry, i mean thermos, he goes by thermos now
rithm is just curious what the actual real world consequences of a bitcointalk.org scammer tag are
TestingUnoDosTre: I believe they stopped using them officially
TestingUnoDosTre: But some obvious people are still tagged- ie nefario, pirateat40
rithm: yes, and now there is some half assed trust system
rithm: which is broken because you have no way to idetify the person you communicate with on that forum
rithm: unless you start gpg signing pm's and posts
ozbot: CoinStax – 1 oz. Perth Mint Gold Bars (25 count Box)
rithm: but this though
rithm: ;;calc 33678.50/[tlast]
gribble: 65.3951456311
benkay: ;;gettrust mjr
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mjr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mjr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr | Rated since: never
benkay: ;;gettrust mjr_
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mjr_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mjr_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr_ | Rated since: never
benkay: mjr_: you're not in the wot!?
benkay: ;;rate TomServo 1 #bitcoin-assets +v
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user TomServo has been recorded.
benkay: ;;gettrust phf
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask phf!~phf@unaffiliated/phf. Trust relationship from user benkay to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=phf | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=phf | Rated since: Thu Jan 2 22:27:02 2014
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.02987944 = 0.5378 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot theymos
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user theymos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=theymos | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=theymos | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:36:30 2010
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust numerisTrade
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask numerisTrade!~numeris@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user numerisTrade: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=numerisTrade | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=numerisTrade | Rated since: Thu Apr 3 07:04:18 2014
mjr_: i am in the WoT
mjr_: but I think you have to look up by my name
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot mjr
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mjr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mjr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr | Rated since: never
BingoBoingo: !up mjr_
assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
mjr_: ;gettrust benkay
mjr_: ;;gettrust benkay
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net. Trust relationship from user mjr_ to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mjr_&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
mjr_: hmmm
mjr_: I believe in the WoT I am Josh_Rossi or JoshRossi
pankkake: ;;gpg info Josh_Rossi
gribble: User 'Josh_Rossi', with keyid C286BB96FE9B6CD3, fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX, registered on Sat Mar 9 18:38:35 2013, last authed on Sat May 11 08:47:37 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=Josh_Rossi . Currently not authenticated.
mjr_: yep
jurov: ôôident mjr_
mjr_: that's me
jurov: ;;ident mjr_
gribble: Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186', is not identified.
mjr_: hold on a sec, i will identify
mjr_: if i can remember how
mjr_: ;;help
gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
mjr_: what is the command?
mjr_: ;;authenticate
gribble: Error: "authenticate" is not a valid command.
mjr_: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186', is not identified.
artifexd: You can do all that in a pm channel with gribble.
mjr_: k thanks
artifexd: It would prevent flailing about in public. ;)
mjr_: lol
mjr_: what is the command again?
bounce: a choice of auth, eauth, bcauth
benkay: artifexd: you're no fun!
mjr_: lol, don't worry still have trouble
mjr_: its a pastebin, right?
benkay: eauth Josh_Rossi
benkay: <decrpyt>
mjr_: what is gribble expecting for the verify part
benkay: everify <decrypted otp>
mjr_: a url?
mjr_: ah ok
benkay: ;;gettrust phf
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask phf!~phf@unaffiliated/phf. Trust relationship from user benkay to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=phf | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=phf | Rated since: Thu Jan 2 22:27:02 2014
mjr_: ;;idet
gribble: Error: "idet" is not a valid command.
mjr_: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186', is identified as user 'Josh_Rossi', with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
mjr_: now i'm identified, that is my WoT name
artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot Josh_Rossi
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mjr_!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Josh_Rossi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Josh_Rossi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Josh_Rossi | Rated since: never
mjr_: yeah...no one ever rates me
davout: ;;rate mjr_ 1 nice guy
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mjr_: thanks davout
davout: ;;rate Josh_Rossi 1 nice guy
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Josh_Rossi has been recorded.
davout: here you go
mjr_: woohoo
artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot Josh_Rossi
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mjr_!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Josh_Rossi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Josh_Rossi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Josh_Rossi | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 12:44:36 2014
artifexd: There ya go.
mjr_: awesome
artifexd: Now if your nick matches your wot, you can pm assbot and !up yourself.
mjr_: I used to have a script that would authenticate me when i sign in
benkay: ;;gettrust mjr
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mjr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mjr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr | Rated since: never
benkay: ;;gettrust mjr_
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mjr_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mjr_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr_ | Rated since: never
benkay: ;;gettrust Josh_Rossi
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mjr_!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Josh_Rossi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Josh_Rossi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Josh_Rossi | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 12:44:36 2014
Josh_Rossi: does that make the warning go away?
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186', is identified as user 'Josh_Rossi', with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
benkay: ;;rate Josh_Rossi 1
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Josh_Rossi has been recorded.
Josh_Rossi: i'm not even sure if i still have that btc address...
Josh_Rossi: ;;rate davout 1
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded.
Josh_Rossi: ;;rate benkay 1
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
benkay: thanks, boss
mjr_: lol
mjr_: I have almost no standing in the WoT
mjr_: but I don't actually ask for stuff...so I guess its ok
TestingUnoDosTre: Hey i need to speak with a bitbet mod
jurov: ;;rate mjr_ 1 satoshi square
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
jurov: ;;rate Josh_Rossi 1 satoshi square
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Josh_Rossi has been recorded.
bounce: donald rumsfeld complaining the tax code is too complex. what'd he try and do about it when he had the chance?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53180969 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 323 @ 0.14 = 45.22 BTC
TestingUnoDosTre: I just got robbed on a bet close to the timeline
kakobrekla: this aint right.
TestingUnoDosTre: I had a bet submitted with 1 confirmation before event occured, and they're trying to refund me
TestingUnoDosTre: What do you mean who?
benkay: ;;rate phf 2 lisper
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user phf has been recorded.
kakobrekla: wtf is with the log.
TestingUnoDosTre: What's wrong
kakobrekla: i dont know seems fine no
kakobrekla: its prolly me.
TestingUnoDosTre: Alright kako- do you know people in charge or bitbet?
mjr_: does that work?
kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre i might
mjr_: what happened to the options on mpex?
kakobrekla: you got a few months of lag?
Duffer1: hehe
TestingUnoDosTre: I submitted a bet that had 1 confirmation prior to bitstamp going to 525and they're trying to refund
TestingUnoDosTre: Price still coulda tanked
Duffer1: you're getting a refund?
kakobrekla: is the timestamp of your bet on bitbet after the event or before?
TestingUnoDosTre: I can double check, but I'm pretty sure before
kakobrekla: well check then
TestingUnoDosTre: Double check
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 177 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.1257% in 1d 1h 34m 48s
TestingUnoDosTre: Yes. Crossed over at 23:29. Bet time on bitbet 23:20
kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu complaint ^^
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
TestingUnoDosTre: They're gonna pay everybody though. Says resolved!
bitcoinpete: benkay: "aristocracy" works like as well as ever. Also, very much enjoyed your recourse piece :D
ozbot: Ex-Post: Toronto Bitcoin Expo | When Bitcoin Met Pete
kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre was it paid already?
kakobrekla: oh and btw, since im the first, greetings from Romania.
TestingUnoDosTre: They just paid it...
TestingUnoDosTre: Like literally just after I told you
kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre, wait for mp to return
kakobrekla: ;;seen mircea_popescu
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 48 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> i dunno how far i'd trust them to stick with it, but so far it's been encouraging people.
TestingUnoDosTre: My apologies... gotta settle down a little
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: so when are they launching their decentralised iOS exchange?
TestingUnoDosTre: Do they have an email, or how do I contact?
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: lol it's sitll in "pre-alpha"
bitcoinpete: still*
fluffypony: I look forward to running it, as long as I can invest in the "company" behind it with BitShares or ProtoShares or whatever-the-fuck-shares
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: have fun at the conference! i hope to make it next year
kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre, here is a hint : http://mpex.co/
kakobrekla: thanks bitcoinpete, already having fun.
Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, you're the first that arrived ?
fluffypony: I should actually write a Dogecoin-denominated trading site and only allow companies that are clearly a joke
fluffypony: I'll call it DogecoinBourse
kakobrekla: Apocalyptic yes, noone will be here till tomorrow
TomServo: How many are supposed to attend this year?
kakobrekla: no clue
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: drink a few ursus' and eat a few mititei for us. it's a deadly combo
kakobrekla: at least 2
Apocalyptic: jurov and asciilifeform are attending i think
kakobrekla: heh, you want to kill my stomach ? :)
kakobrekla: right now im in the hotel bar, sipping a double jack.
TomServo: very nice.
kakobrekla: 20:45.05 .•• numerisTrade ( ~numeris@unaffiliated/numeristrade ) joined #bitcoin-assets
kakobrekla: 20:45.05 .•• sendak.freenode.net sets #bitcoin-assets mode +v numerisTrade
kakobrekla: 20:45.05 .•• ChanServ sets #bitcoin-assets mode -v numerisTrade
kakobrekla: has this been a regular occurance?
TomServo: Not that I've noticed.
TestingUnoDosTre: Kako, you're the owner of bbet?
kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre halfassed.
TestingUnoDosTre: Help a brotha out. I'm making my living off your website
TestingUnoDosTre: Running on thin margins
kakobrekla: anyway, as i said, complaints to go to MP
kakobrekla: wait for him to return
TestingUnoDosTre: Complaints to the billionaire,?
thestringpuller: $depth mpoe
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['1000 @ 0.00095001', '1000 @ 0.00094501', '450 @ 0.00082', '4000 @ 0.0008101', '3000 @ 0.00081']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['8459 @ 0.00096466', '14441 @ 0.00097133', '14600 @ 0.00097259', '18750 @ 0.00097667', '19450 @ 0.00097963']
bitcoinpete: the register has been reading -assets. ^borkt
wywialm: hi all
fluffypony: I used to love TheRegister when it was this slightly obscure British publication that was the only way of following the BOFH saga
pankkake: oh I loved BOFH!
fluffypony: pankkake: the newer stuff got boring
fluffypony: but like pre-2005 BOFH is still golden
Naphex: evening
bounce: stopped reading that years ago. the old stuff was good, though.
bounce: bofh used to be on whatwasit networkworld? only came to el reg later
fluffypony: bounce: yeah, went to El Reg for its "revival"
TestingUnoDosTre: Why do you think they've been reading assets? Found no quotes UN artcke?
TestingUnoDosTre: In article. Fucking auto correct
ozbot: This reader mocked Heartbleed, posted his passwords online. Guess what happened next.
wywialm: bitcoinpete, some time ago i tried to discuss your deflation artice with you, do you have a while?
bitcoinpete: wywialm: shoot. what's on your mind?
wywialm: do you believe there may be bad deflation? or good inflation?
bounce: that pdf waffles like the fat frenchman wrote it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06690987 = 0.1338 BTC [+]
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: "hacked" by some obscure definition of hacked we weren't previously privy to
bitcoinpete: wywialm: as hamlet said: “there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."
TestingUnoDosTre: For the record, bitcoin is inflating at a rapidly decreasing, defined rate
bitcoinpete: no doubt that a lot of people will be screwed out of pensions and other lofty promises, also little doubt that faux egalitarianism will fall by the wayside
bitcoinpete: TestingUnoDosTre: totally. it's the first deterministically scarce asset with a decreasing inflation rate
bitcoinpete: it's really fiat that's collapsing unpredictably into bitcoin
wywialm: ok, to be precise: do you believe there are circumstances in which deflation would do unnecessary harm to the economy, its net effects being negative?
wywialm: in the same way we could call some forms of governments net negative on the economy
TestingUnoDosTre: Not with a truly fungible asset
bitcoinpete: wywialm: i see the nets being positive
wywialm: to be even more precise, by inflation i mean rising *price level*, not plain money growth
bitcoinpete: and the harm as being entirely necessary
Apocalyptic: wywialm, you're using the perverted meaning of inflation I see
bitcoinpete: right, the price of goods and services is decreasing despite the monetary base increasing
wywialm: clearly that's the message of your article, bitcoinpete. I'm asking whether it is "always and everywhere"
wywialm: Apocalyptic, no, it's a standard definition, contrary to late Mises and Rothbard, and avoids much confusion
bitcoinpete: wywialm: history would seem to say so. we'll see whether it rhymes this time 'round
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 350 @ 0.14 = 49 BTC
wywialm: to be even more clear, i generally agree with you that under normal conditions of rising productivity, moderate deflation is very desirable
bitcoinpete: bitcoin and gold are checks on tyrannical mobs
mod6: (10:01) <+pankkake> oh I loved BOFH! << me too, the old ones are best imho.
wywialm: sure, but that's fiscal effect of both. i try to focus on monetary effects
bitcoinpete: wywialm: monetary effects don't exist in isolation. nothing does. and least of all in economics
Apocalyptic: wywialm, not really, the standard definition is the increase of the money supply, or monetary base
bitcoinpete: we can't say that increasing x is desirable because it correlates to increased y without considering the social and political impacts
benkay: bitcoinpete: "whatever is is right" to quote another poet.
wywialm: bitcoinpete, we try to abstract from them now. Without this tool no economic analysis would be possible
benkay: ;;gettrust wywialm
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask wywialm!~wywialm@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl. Trust relationship from user benkay to user wywialm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=wywialm | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wywialm | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 11:18:52 2014
benkay: good bad who cares bitcoin is here to kick the ass of anyone who wants to diddle the number of currency units around
kakobrekla: bad is good
bitcoinpete: benkay yup, pretty much. it's skill-gettin' time
wywialm: Apocalyptic, when did this term get 'perverted' and why would it be an argument against defining it that way?
wywialm: benkay :)
numerisTrade: bitcoinpete, would then *steadily shrinking* currency unharmful as well?
wywialm: good point
bitcoinpete: numerisTrade: i imagine that a currency whose supply is decreasing over time wouldn't make for a very good currency. an example of this would be the picassos in the world today. over time, they're lost to fires, floods, irreparable damage, etc. as such, no one defines picassos as currency just as no one sane defines bitcoin as money
numerisTrade: wait, bitcoin is not money only in current legal sense
TestingUnoDosTre: Gunna subconsciously call bitcoins Picasso's now every time I check my portfolio
ozbot: OpenBSD has started a massive strip-down and cleanup of OpenSSL | Lobsters
jurov: "they’re incinerating compatibility with upstream with a plasma torch" lol
wywialm: well, bitcoin is medium of exchange, you can play with definitions as you wish, but it won't help with understanding anything
bitcoinpete: numerisTrade: the irs' ruling of bitcoin as property is actually quite accurate and intelligent. bitcoin is far more like property overlooking central park than the dollars in our pockets
bitcoinpete: TestingUnoDosTre: might as well :D
numerisTrade: and bitcoins will reach a point when they will be decreasing, due to losses and so on
jurov: i guess eiteher they will be mined or some protocol to recover 100 years untouched outputs will be agreed upon
jurov: unlike picassos, here it is possible
wywialm: bitcoinpete, legalistically, yes, but property and land could be money in economic terms
bitcoinpete: wywialm: so can a barrel of oil. so can a chicken. so...
bitcoinpete: jurov: good point, hadn't thought of that. oh the wonders of software
thestringpuller: $depth mpoe
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['11090 @ 0.00095019', '1000 @ 0.00095001', '1000 @ 0.00094501', '450 @ 0.00082', '4000 @ 0.0008101']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['8459 @ 0.00096466', '14441 @ 0.00097133', '14600 @ 0.00097259', '18750 @ 0.00097667', '19450 @ 0.00097963']
wywialm: so we could analyse economic impact of bitcoin being money, either now or some time later
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0668 = 0.1336 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: some protocol to recover 100 years untouched outputs will be agreed upon // unlikely
Apocalyptic: and I hope it doesn't happen
TestingUnoDosTre: Double agree
jurov: Apocalyptic: why not?
jurov: it would be just a simple rule that miner can take 5 million blocks old unspent output(s).
pankkake: it's a slippery slope
jurov: and there will be muich bigger changes necessary much sooner than 100 years, you really think SHA-256 will resist so long?
TestingUnoDosTre: There will be, an adequate replacement in 100 years
TestingUnoDosTre: And its not like bitcoin owners won't be able to transfer value to said systems
TestingUnoDosTre: A la shitcoins, but better
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
jurov: In fact I think having shorter delay, like 5 years would force criminals to spend, benefitting everyone
Apocalyptic: ... what nonsense is this
Apocalyptic: jurov, really the criminal argument coming from you ?
pankkake: bitcoin could work with md4. the goal is to brute force it, so it doesn't matter how broken it is
jurov: what's so shocking?
asciilifeform: ;;google satcoin
gribble: SAT solving - An alternative to brute force bitcoin mining: <http://jheusser.github.io/2013/02/03/satcoin.html>; [ANN] Saturncoin [SAT] - One of the most fast and secure coins ...: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441760.0>; jheusser/satcoin · GitHub: <https://github.com/jheusser/satcoin>
Apocalyptic: SHA-256 will resist so long? // even if a full 1 block colision is found, it won't affect mining
wywialm: jurov, do you believe spending of criminals will benefit the economy?:)
asciilifeform: nah, only the money of saints benefits economy
Apocalyptic: must be
wywialm: i happen to agree with you, especially considering bitcoin deflation argument, but if so, wouldn't e.g. printed-money-spending benefit economy as well in some cases?
jurov: i think it's more about stability of money supply
jurov: can you imagine someone hoarding and after 10 years throwing in few millions btc
wywialm: so, withholding money from circulation might have similar effects (and we believe them to be negative) as coin loss?
wywialm: (under certain conditions, not always, etc. of course)
pankkake: that person can hoard by moving the coins for free
pankkake: though miners would then be incentivized to REFUSE transactions
jurov: pankkake: but then everyon knows they are not lost
Apocalyptic: who cares
jurov: currently everyone can only guess
pankkake: no, you're not spending that output, because I want to grab it!
jurov: pankkake: market will solve that nicely. miners will take the txfee now instead of waiting for expiration
ozbot: Computer simulations teaching themselves to walk - Bizarre - YouTube
asciilifeform: better:
ozbot: Karl Sims - Evolved Virtual Creatures, Evolution Simulation, 1994 - YouTube
wywialm: bitcoinpete, let's follow jurov and imagine that somehow demand for money/bitcoin sharply increases. Would it be harmful to general trade conditions? That is, would it generate a recession? If not, why?
wywialm: probably, let's leave bitcoin for now, as it's not money as a unit of account for majority of bitcoinholders
wywialm: let's focus just on abstract 'money'
jurov: what is meant by "demand for bitcoin increases"?
wywialm: demand for money, no bitcoin :) flight from assets to cash.
wywialm: e.g. major 'risk-off'
wywialm: hoarding
wywialm: etc.
jurov: popping of reality/stock bubble as usual?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26946 @ 0.00095914 = 25.845 BTC [-]
wywialm: not necessarily - after such 'pop' there are usually calls that there was a bubble, but not every falling asset was a bubble previously
benkay: wywialm: it's money as a unit account for the bitcoin holders that matter.
benkay: note that everything on mpex is btc-denominated.
benkay: one can even buy hosting denominated in btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7167 @ 0.00096466 = 6.9137 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: $depth mpoe
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['15174 @ 0.00095914', '75 @ 0.00095266', '11090 @ 0.00095019', '1000 @ 0.00095001', '1000 @ 0.00094501']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['1292 @ 0.00096466', '14441 @ 0.00097133', '14600 @ 0.00097259', '18750 @ 0.00097667', '19450 @ 0.00097963']
wywialm: sure, but i didn't want to enter this branch of discussion
benkay: in assets brach enters you!
thestringpuller: benkay: you missing shit
thestringpuller: get a bouncer :P
bitcoinpete: wywialm: from personal experience, when the price is going parabolic, there's little incentive to spend bitcoin when the good or service will be cheaper tomorrow and the need isn't dire
bitcoinpete: so under such conditions, the economy is filtered for value
wywialm: agreed, but this effect can be really harmful in a much more developed economy, with credit, net of contracts, many competitors on a single markets
TestingUnoDosTre: You just have to structure a debt contract with half a brain
wywialm: and then it is not only filtered for value, trade just goes down incredibly - we could go on claiming everything is fine, but then unemployed resources appear en masse
benkay: it will be interesting to see it play out, but nobody knows how it is actually going to play out.
TestingUnoDosTre: And thus we hoard
wywialm: it definitely will
benkay: wywialm: if there's no market for the stuff at the price, the price must move for the stuff to move.
benkay: bitcoin will bring a rigor to business unseen for centuries.
wywialm: TestingUnoDosTre, like what? indexing to something else?
benkay: wywialm: what's the root of your nick?
wywialm: benkay, or not
wywialm: that's my surname
TestingUnoDosTre: Or partially indexing.
benkay: how does one pronounce it?
wywialm: Vyhvial, or actually, Vyhviaw :) if you insist i could provide fonetic notation
wywialm: M is first letter of my name
wywialm: TestingUnoDosTre, but that's changing the unit of account :)
benkay: wywialm: what part of the world is that from?
wywialm: Poland
TestingUnoDosTre: Creditors may also want to shed some risk
TestingUnoDosTre: For example if they own a large amount of btc and want to protect against a big short term drop in value
wywialm: benkay, re: if there's no market for the stuff at the price, the price must move for the stuff to move
wywialm: there are exceptions to this, grouped under the tag of 'price rigidity', which has many origins and which i'll try to sum up briefly
wywialm: (generally, if there were no price rigidity, sharp deflation would be no problem, I believe)
bitcoinpete: price rigidity is just another form of tversky and khaneman's anchoring and adjusting
wywialm: no, not necessarily, it is beyond psychology
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 908 @ 0.00011918 = 0.1082 BTC [+] {2}
wywialm: first, there are menu costs and other costs of price adjustments, such as making plans and accounting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1292 @ 0.00096466 = 1.2463 BTC [+]
wywialm: second, there are long term contracts negotiated in terms of monetary unit of account
benkay: so the world changes out from underneath you sometimes. one tries to plan and account for these things. sometimes the irresistable force is just completely irresistable.
wywialm: and third, most important probably, are network coordination failures. On a reasonably populated market, if the nominal demand (or trade volume) falls, the first enterpreneur to lower prices would not suffer losses due to demand inelasticity
wywialm: benkay, true, but this is a source of rigidity which will impact the real economy
bitcoinpete: wywialm: right, which all means that the losses, as well as the profits, are privatized, whereas we currently socialize large losses
benkay: isn't monetary diddling used solely to socialize losses?
wywialm: bitcoinpete, i'm not a defender of current (fiscal and monetary) arrangements
benkay: solely, largely, a lot of the time, whatever
bitcoinpete: benkay: yup. and i meant to say that bitcoin prevents this, if i wasn't clear
kakobrekla: ;;later tell davot rejected.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: ;;later tell davout rejected.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
wywialm: currently, i'd bet something between 'largely' and 'sometimes'. Have a look at EU, they are heading for deflation, despite their official inflation targets, same in Poland
benkay: just helping to illuminate, bitcoinpete
kakobrekla: fuckin lag.
bitcoinpete: benkay: bueno ;)
wywialm: why don't they flood EU with cash, when they have mandate to do it?
bitcoinpete: good sesh. i'm out for now
wywialm: cya
benkay: hey wywialm who actually controls how much money sloshes around the eu?
wywialm: ECB
wywialm: in that, Germany and to lesser extent, France.
wywialm: and the same situation is in Poland, official inflation target is 2.5%, we are ~1% and head of National Bank of Poland says he's ok with that
wywialm: Czech Republic is probably deflating already
Apocalyptic: a good thing
wywialm: not necessarily, as i tried to point earlier
benkay: well head of NBP doesn't have much say in euro monetary supply does he?
wywialm: in PL we are monetary independent still
wywialm: we have zloty (which, by coincidence, means 'golden', and last had gold component 300 years ago)
wywialm: not EUR
benkay: ah cool
benkay: well so anyways euro is deflating right now?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18491 @ 0.00096548 = 17.8527 BTC [+]
wywialm: inflation 0.5 %, target 2%
benkay: what are their lines of recourse and why aren't they using them?
wywialm: and it is not equally distributed throughout eurozone, south is deflating for a couple of years, -1.5% i believe
wywialm: they only use interest rate policy, which is veeery far from efficient
wywialm: and they are cowardly, i believe, as they could push interest rates lower even in their imperfect framework
wywialm: what they should do is to do as-neutral-as-possible QE. Think about it, if you have a bank, and demand for your notes skyrockets, you issue more, not less, right?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06690993 = 0.2007 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: benkay: neato
wywialm: btw: that reminded me about another consequence of deflation, which should be obvious: the zero lower bound of interest rates
benkay: oh phf you can !up yourself in pm now
benkay: ;;ident phf
gribble: Nick 'phf', with hostmask 'phf!~phf@unaffiliated/phf', is identified as user 'phf', with GPG key id 5356DE4752432A9E, key fingerprint BDDE12104FE81BE7F83B698F5356DE4752432A9E, and bitcoin address 1N3iZVTNu4kco858zTpHUkfpzAWj6Uma7S
benkay: !up phf
assbot: Voicing phf without time-limit.
benkay: phf wrote that elisp
benkay goes back to mutating cloud boxes
phf: cheers
phf: next step is to add assbot integration
phf: now that i can test it ;)
benkay: sweet
wywialm: i'll be going, thanks benkay for a nice chat
benkay: see ya
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00096548 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: $depth mpoe
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['15167 @ 0.00096548', '75 @ 0.00096', '15174 @ 0.00095914', '11090 @ 0.00095019', '1000 @ 0.00095001']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['49700 @ 0.00097016', '14441 @ 0.00097133', '14600 @ 0.00097259', '43200 @ 0.00097666', '18750 @ 0.00097667']
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 202 @ 0.00502054 = 1.0141 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.50342865 = 2.5171 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 511.23, Best ask: 512.93, Bid-ask spread: 1.70000, Last trade: 512.92, 24 hour volume: 32932.41992736, 24 hour low: 494.02, 24 hour high: 548.0, 24 hour vwap: 517.82933908
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00499191 = 0.1897 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: wow amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
Apocalyptic: "c’est l’éducation nationale – ou ce qu’il en reste tant cette institution marque l’échec volontaire de notre société dans l’ensemble – qui réfléchit doctement non pas à améliorer le niveau scolaire déplorable de nos enfants mais à changer le système de notation des dictées. Nous ne comptabiliserons plus désormais que les mots qui sont bien écrits…"
pankkake: I don't understand what he really means
pankkake: the whole website seems to advertise buying gold
Apocalyptic: I'm not sure but I read "Nous ne comptabiliserons plus désormais que les mots qui sont bien écrits…" as you just have to write 10 or 20 words correctly to get the full mark
Apocalyptic: he may be biased but I think he's right about "Ce mouvement vers l’inculture n’est pas français mais international" and the will to make people dumb generally
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.501 = 1.002 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.00490007 = 0.3283 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50100001 = 1.002 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.501 = 1.002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05252 = 0.2101 BTC [-]
artifexd: ;;later tell bitcoinpete You may want to increase the left margin on your ul,ol under media="all". As it is currently, it prevents your footnote labels from showing more than a single digit.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.052502 = 0.2625 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: !voice peterl
pankkake: !up peterl
assbot: Voicing peterl for 30 minutes.
peterl: thanks
artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot peterl
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user peterl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=peterl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=peterl | Rated since: never
ozbot: LIF retrospective - Google Docs
peterl: mircea_popescu: there you go
pankkake: ;;rate peterl 1 member of the cult of mpex
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user peterl has been recorded.
peterl: lol, the scientology of bitcoin, right?
bounce: did git support signing of commits?
benkay: indeed, bounce it *does*
pankkake: yes, it does now. can be very useful
benkay: but maybe consider signing tags instead
pankkake: it breaks if you rewrite history though :(
benkay: for instance, check out https://github.com/pf/erc-gribble
benkay: then git tag -v beta_0
bounce was idly speculating on stuffing all law in a SCM, with public diffs. and signed commits by the head of state.
benkay: law, bounce ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06437036 = 1.6093 BTC [-] {4}
bounce: law, benkay .
pankkake: where we're going, we don't need laws
phf: github doesn't even bother to inform you that there's a signature on the tag, but signed tags seem like a good place to put contracts
phf: (it doesn't affect history either)
pankkake: otherwise, I know it's planned to be used by gentoo - you need to sign every packaging commit given the sensible nature of it
pankkake: github is for people who don't know how to use git anyway :p
TestingUnoDosTre: Who ran LIF?
thestringpuller: lol pankkake why because you can edit files and commit them from the website?
pankkake: also, yes
benkay: bounce: what kinds of laws are you writing? and for whom are they?
peterl: LIF was run by me
phf ducks
bounce: who says I am writing laws?
ozbot: Twitter / TorEkelandPC: yo, @rabite court just signed ...
benkay: bounce try it like i'm twelve
BingoBoingo: Weev is now unconditionally free
bounce: apparently there's a "TRO LLC IRC" somewhere
BingoBoingo: Really?
BingoBoingo: I imagine it isn't on freenode...
bounce: could try and dig through that timeline a bit
TestingUnoDosTre: What did he get booked for? Read the article and they mostly talked about trial etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 80 @ 0.06690777 = 5.3526 BTC [+] {8}
bounce: IIRC he'd sucked up a bunch of apple device IDs from at&t's leaky activation site
TestingUnoDosTre: And then shorted the stock or sometning?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 140 @ 0.00499506 = 0.6993 BTC [+] {4}
bounce: no, more like told'em to fix it, and they responded with the fbi instead. something like that.
TestingUnoDosTre: Ahhh I thought he said he was reaping some short term trades after publishing about these weaknesses
TestingUnoDosTre: In the article it said EFF didn't want to get near the case until appeal was possible. I had higher expectations
TestingUnoDosTre: Thought they might be a last bastion in th shitstorm which is the US legal sphere
BingoBoingo: It wasn't quite that.
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Use this opportunity to return with the narrative
TestingUnoDosTre: From article" I am here to shift the market cap of publicly traded companies downward by publicizing problems in their technical infrastructure. Very few people manage to do this. In fact, besides the times I’ve done so, I can only think of a handful of other incidents."
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: What about the charges related to ATT
TestingUnoDosTre: He was freed from them, No?
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Also return with information on what happened to the guy who plead out
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Well, what was the exact story on what he was charged for doing
TestingUnoDosTre: Isn't that was said article is about?
Namworld: Let me make up a quote for weev: "I am Troll, c?"
TestingUnoDosTre: Ahhh I see. EFF did help out, after other lawyers did the footwork
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Well, what was the exact act Weev was charged for
TestingUnoDosTre: Like the charge, or what did he do?
TestingUnoDosTre: He submitted a bunch of false cc-ids in attempt to reverse engineer the ID to number conversion that att used
TestingUnoDosTre: Charge was identify theft and conspiracy to commit yada yada yada computer fraud act
TestingUnoDosTre: My battery is dead though. Gots to go
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00096841 = 2.4694 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ATC statement sent
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.0009671 = 22.34 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 532.93, vol: 30405.03419523 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 530.0, vol: 26368.61606 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 535.48, vol: 29414.42731683 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 525.0, vol: 132.76821455 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 530.150907, vol: 8937.38800000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 523.52018, vol: 51.15564199 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 530.6112, vol: 156.56210479 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 532.626348898
mircea_popescu: who dares complain!!11
BingoBoingo: Eh, someone who tried to bitbet late
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
peterl: but why is it crashing?
mod6: what is?
BingoBoingo: Dollars!!!
peterl: the price, it is down from its high
peterl: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00313681 / 0.00313681 / 0.00313681 (786 shares, 2.47 BTC), 30D: 0.00213452 / 0.00257686 / 0.00313681 (2268 shares, 5.84 BTC)
mircea_popescu: !up SatoshiJack
assbot: Voicing SatoshiJack for 30 minutes.
SatoshiJack: thanks mp -- we are very close -- should open doors for atc in the next couple of days...
peterl: SatoshiJack: who is we?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4917 @ 0.00096548 = 4.7473 BTC [-]
SatoshiJack: My team...the satoshiJack team :)
benkay: ;;gettrust SatoshiJack
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18. Trust relationship from user benkay to user SatoshiJack: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=SatoshiJack | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SatoshiJack | Rated since: never
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot SatoshiJack
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18. Trust relationship from user assbot to user SatoshiJack: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=SatoshiJack | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SatoshiJack | Rated since: never
peterl: is it considered better manners to set otc ratings in the channel or via pm with gribble?
mircea_popescu: hasn't gotten to the point of actually bothering yet.
mircea_popescu: i suspect people like to keep an eye on it
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo looking good.
BingoBoingo: At least for a while bringing up the assbot - target path is probably productive to see if people wanting voice can already !up themselves
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Thanks
benkay: peterl: we're all making it up as we go
benkay: the dynamics of upping is interesting to watch as well
mircea_popescu: so reading the log... is nubbins` like this chan's cialis or what.
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell artifexd your nudge was just what i needed to finally get that done. thanks!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: nubbins` is a lot of things
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Duffer1: sorry man that all was before my time, not sure what all happened << mnw figured he'd be a smartass, bet everyone pirate will deliver (after default). 10k btc, which he obviously lost, which he then reneged on (pretending he's "delivering" by simply writing 10k BTC in a foirum post) and got banned.
mircea_popescu: then got unbanned
mircea_popescu: then got banned again
mircea_popescu: then piles of drama, it gets circular.
Azelphur: I remember that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15249 @ 0.00095914 = 14.6259 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: congratulations, you're old enough :)
mircea_popescu: rithm: which is broken because you have no way to idetify the person you communicate with on that forum << stop slandering https etc.
Azelphur: that was pretty funny "This bet is serious business, if you place the bet and loose then don't pay, you will be marked as a scammer and banned"
Azelphur: "Oh shit I lost... NOPE IT WAS ALL A BIG JOKE HAHAHA"
Azelphur: I remember he was writer at bitcoin magazine too, iirc he got fired over it
BingoBoingo: Bitcoin Magazine has its own lulzy history
bitcoinpete: ;;rate artifexd 1 nudger
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user artifexd has changed from 1 to 1.
mircea_popescu: Azelphur nah, he was fired when the bitpay crew screwed the original owner out of his shares and put that romanian kid in
mircea_popescu: whatever his name is. who maybe left meanwhile or w/e
Azelphur: I see
mircea_popescu: or maybe he left in protest or maybe he was fired right before that ? shit's starting to get foggy
Azelphur: god alone knows
Azelphur: he's not a nice fellow, tldr.
mircea_popescu: i dunno he's not nice. he's definitely one of the guys that got raped in the ass by their failure to take bitcoin serious enough.
mircea_popescu: where enough is a value roughly in excess of hard infinity.
mircea_popescu: aleph three.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TestingUnoDosTre eh what robbed, thing closed at like 11, you bet 11:20 or what
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: The hazard of late BitBets, on price especially is when the thing hits verus where it sticks can be... messy, and the difference here is in the house's favor
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why people insist to try and use a knowledge advantage. fucking thing has about 700 bells and whistles pointing out you'll get hurt in all likeliness
mircea_popescu: yet people can't resist.
mircea_popescu: i guess it's all a testament to the SEC's historical success in controlling insider trading.
mircea_popescu: hear ye of little competence : i am and i have been doing a shitload better than you ever did, to the degree the differential is culture-shocking people.
peterl: one more reason to bet early
BingoBoingo: Preach it. I mean why do people keep getting this "free winning" idea when BET is in the name
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3073 @ 0.00011911 = 0.366 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: i guess it's just irresistible and that's how it'll stay.
mircea_popescu: o look i missed the polish inflation discussion.
mircea_popescu: maybe next time.
BingoBoingo: The de/in-flation discussions always have a next time
benkay: the light begins to dawn...
mircea_popescu: "This view is charmingly naïve. "
mircea_popescu: assholes not in here daring to claim things are "charmingly naive". irony crits.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00095719 = 12.4435 BTC [-]
benkay: perhaps they read logs?
benkay: perhaps they have someone reading logs?
mircea_popescu: still presumptuous.
mircea_popescu: peterl can you post that again in something that's not a hairball of js ? like a pastebin say. or a wp blog or something.
peterl: yeah, sure, give me a minute
benkay: php > js
bitcoinpete: benkay: eli doesn't get the scarcity angle. few casual observers do, particularly amid the mt gox this and that noise
mircea_popescu: benkay im trying to be user friendly shush you
benkay: i don't really get the mining arguments. but yes, containerization.
benkay: paucity of new coins, bitcoinpete ?
bitcoinpete: basically
bitcoinpete: "Bitcoin for now exists at the pleasure of governments" << this is just priceless
ozbot: LIF retrospective - Pastebin.com
bitcoinpete: there's some gems in there
peterl: is that better?
benkay: signed and everything
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @rabite Let's talk. ...
mircea_popescu: if guy actually shows up someone up him.
peterl: cause sure, why not sign it?
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete everyone wants to think that the earth sucked before he showed up to fix it.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: and that times, they are a changing. so fast that history is useless
benkay: ;;gettrust peterl
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask peterl!~peterl@108-204-237-26.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user benkay to user peterl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=peterl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=peterl | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 17:10:12 2014
mircea_popescu: whoa stumbleupon still exists ?!
bitcoinpete: define "exist"
benkay: peterl: what is your otc identity?
mircea_popescu: that's a point. "anything other than a rip page"
peterl: peterl is my otc id
benkay: hm
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: lol that doesn't leave a lot, does it
ozbot: FuckedCompany.com - Official Lubricant Of The New Economy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00095299 = 16.582 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: that's a new one
mircea_popescu: lol. it's not new, young padawan. you are :D
bitcoinpete: lol i meant for me!
mircea_popescu: hehe. that was the techmeme before arlington was invented.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.50072223 = 9.013 BTC [-] {7}
bitcoinpete: the nobel comes to bitcoin
mircea_popescu: "Best ATM Design" ?
mircea_popescu: what's this troop smoking lmao
mircea_popescu: "Most Impactful Charity"
mircea_popescu: anyone wants to bet the bitpay sister gets that ? what was her name
bitcoinpete: mp, you'd better win best journalist
mircea_popescu: Each of the winners will receive 1 BTC
mircea_popescu: aghagaga o spare me sally.
bitcoinpete: and influential investor lol
BingoBoingo: I think MP takes most influential investor
mircea_popescu: i should probably make a pie throwing contest, give 10 btc to the best thrown pie to the face of these losers.
bitcoinpete: and legal expert, and bitcoin champion, and on an on
mircea_popescu: that;s about their total pool.
bitcoinpete: except it was funny/sad how few people at the bitcoin expo in toronto who'd even heard of you or mpex
bitcoinpete: there should be EmPee Awards
peterl: they have a list of people they already picked to honor (themselves), and they had to come up with a category for everybody?
mircea_popescu: how many people at bitcoin toronto heard of niederauer ?
bitcoinpete: fair enough
mircea_popescu: lol why am i looking at some japanese chick with her panties on
ozbot: Twitter / rogerkver: Tokyo has the best Bitcoin ...
mircea_popescu: srsly, i am not impresst.
bitcoinpete: EmPee Award categories: best haircut, funniest log line, herpiest derp, best troll…
bitcoinpete: ya, she looks like an amputee
ozbot: Serious Stuff
bitcoinpete: donating bitcoin to charity will "not only will it help a worthy charitable cause, it will also contribute to the future success of Bitcoin:" <<obviously lol
mircea_popescu: this is a stupid idea, because in general charity is powered by tax deductions.
mircea_popescu: this makes donations the absolute last thing bitcoin will do.
mircea_popescu: but try and talk it to the fucktards who have some shit impacted in their head which they misrepresent as an idea, and then try to use everything they encounter on the road as shit-amplifyer, instead of using it as a shit removing device.
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1782548/plain/)
bitcoinpete: everything is used to amplify brain damage here
bitcoinpete: it's socially encouraged
peterl: well, according to IRS rules, couldn't you claim a bitcoin donation as charitable donation for tax purposes?
mircea_popescu: peterl try and do so.
peterl: since bitcoins are assets like cars and shit?
mircea_popescu: you can claim anything you want, including that you have 84 minor children.
mircea_popescu: then you get audited.
mircea_popescu: then you get to argue it in court.
mircea_popescu: then you win.
mircea_popescu: or die, whichever comes first.
mircea_popescu: people with actual tax accountants who get actual advice (ie, the people in a position to make meaningful donations) don't do stupid shit because that;'s what happened to be in front of their eyes that hour.
peterl: as long as the charity gave you a receipt, I don't see why there would be any hassle?
mircea_popescu: because the business of the irs is to hassle the margin.
mircea_popescu: that's what a taxman does, in all tiumes and places. it's the fundamental conservative mechanism of a society.
mircea_popescu: !up thecluck
assbot: Voicing thecluck for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: lampelinaa how's it going ?
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 121 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.3566% in 0d 17h 8m 44s
mircea_popescu: !up bettycla1p
assbot: Voicing bettycla1p for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up wutwhutw1t
assbot: Voicing wutwhutw1t for 30 minutes.
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 120 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.2178% in 0d 17h 17m 59s
BingoBoingo: ;ticker
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 522.3, Best ask: 525.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.70000, Last trade: 522.28, 24 hour volume: 30337.42561740, 24 hour low: 494.02, 24 hour high: 548.0, 24 hour vwap: 520.388624434
TestingUnoDosTre: mircea_popescu - about this bet http://bitbet.us/bet/800/bitcoin-price-above-525-before-may/ it was the other way around. I had bet at + received 1 confirmation (and bet posted to bitbet) at 23:20. The bitstamp price crossed over at 23:29
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre looks like 23:00 on that graph
TestingUnoDosTre: Let me check the difference between bitcoincharts time and GMT
TestingUnoDosTre: I had about 10 minutes before the crossover, I was watching it at the bar
TestingUnoDosTre: Here's what I have on bitcoincharts, loaded 1 minute data 2014-04-15 23:29:00524.51527521.54527163.886233.43526.46
TestingUnoDosTre: at 23:29, open was 524.51, close was 527
TestingUnoDosTre: posted to bitbet 6 minutes later
TestingUnoDosTre: this is the page I loaded data from (apologize but it has like 2 days worth of 1 minute data) http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg1zig1-minzczsg2014-04-16zeg2014-04-17ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
mircea_popescu: i think you're arguing the wrong tack here.
mircea_popescu: nobody is going to go into the level of detail you need for your case.
mircea_popescu: bitbet is not a good venue to be doing this sorts of "oh but i bet x seconds before it ticked".
mircea_popescu: bet a day early and get refunded, then you got something.
mircea_popescu: !up blackwhite
assbot: Voicing blackwhite for 30 minutes.
TestingUnoDosTre: I'll back down if I must. I agree with the gist of what you're saying, but I played by the rules and it's somewhat easy to verify that I was in "on time"
TestingUnoDosTre: There's no reason the price couldn't have swung in the opposite direction
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre well, the life of a late bettor is hard. if you get in, you get in. however, if you don't you don't, and it's the mod that makes the call.
TestingUnoDosTre: I feel like I most definitely did get in though. But enough of this dicussion
blackwhite: hola peeps
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Remember that BitBet has worse fates than a refund for the late.
TestingUnoDosTre: I do understand, and that's the risk I was taking. I did bet before the event occured though...
mircea_popescu: !up elgrecoFL
assbot: Voicing elgrecoFL for 30 minutes.
joecool: !up BCB
assbot: Voicing BCB for 30 minutes.
BCB: thx
BCB: anyone interested in a 25 BTC Casascius Coin
thestringpuller: $depth mpoe
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['20800 @ 0.00095321', '41904 @ 0.00095299', '6100 @ 0.00095168', '1000 @ 0.00095001', '1000 @ 0.00094501']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['12200 @ 0.00095568', '15960 @ 0.00095719', '3800 @ 0.00095861', '5400 @ 0.0009597', '9188 @ 0.0009601']
BingoBoingo: ;;rate BCB 1 Been around Bitcoin forever, investigates scamzors
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BCB has been recorded.
BCB: BingoBoingo, thanks
BCB: ;;rated BingoBoingo
gribble: You have not yet rated user BingoBoingo
ozbot: The problem of the past pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: peterl ^
mircea_popescu: and everyone with a legal inclination, if you have a moment, pls to read.
BCB: BingoBoingo, still waiting for pirateat40 to go to jail!
BingoBoingo: BCB: I've seen you around forever now, but I don't think we've had occasion to interact.
BingoBoingo: BCB: I imagine he will find worse than jail
BCB: BingoBoingo, I think he already has. WIfe left him, all his assets have been seized, He's back living in his mother's house
BCB: and he's being sued by the SEC
BCB: Life doesn't get much worse then that
BingoBoingo: BCB: There are far worse things than that. He is going to see the future he could have been a part of, but was exiled from in its infancy
BingoBoingo: Killing him would have been kinder than that
mircea_popescu: wow that's some high drama aproach right there.
mircea_popescu: tho tbh, i think the kid's exactly smart enough for that to smart.
joecool: BCB: prison rape is in the future
mircea_popescu: this obsession with prison rape srsly. it;s like 30 cases per 100k inmates
BingoBoingo: joecool: Sphincters heal, serious regret is forever
BCB: joecool, if he goes to prison it will be some low sec location. Not much prison rape there. Lots of checkers and shuffleboard
mircea_popescu: in the us. in canada it's like 3x that.
BCB: BingoBoingo, I don't think he ever saw a future in bitcoin. He just saw it as a way to make a quick buck. He was too smart for his own good.
joecool: mircea_popescu: reported cases? canadians are probably just more shameless
BingoBoingo: BCB: It doesn't matter if he saw it then. He is doomed to see it the rest of his life.
peterl: mircea_popescu: looks like you tear apart my story just as intended. thanks.
BingoBoingo: And there is no such thing as "too smart for their own good"
mircea_popescu: joecool i dunno why someone would fail to report rape in prison.
mircea_popescu: it's a distraction.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00095321 = 5.052 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl your signature is pretty shitty.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !up roamfree
assbot: Voicing roamfree for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well there is such a thing as thinking they're too smart for their own good
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot cazalla
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask cazalla!cazalla@2400:8900::f03c:91ff:fedb:949f. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cazalla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cazalla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cazalla | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 22:17:43 2014
mircea_popescu: ;;rate cazalla 1 New blood.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but such a thing is just a hypertrophic form of Dunning-Kreuger
BingoBoingo: Not merely thinking one is adequate for such a thing, but thinking one was too good at such a thing to have gotten away with it.
joecool: !ping
joecool: ;;ratingsystem viewrating assbot
gribble: Error: The "RatingSystem" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "viewrating" in it. Try "list RatingSystem" to see the commands in the "RatingSystem" plugin.
joecool: ;;ratingsystem getrating assbot
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User assbot, rated since Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014. Cumulative rating 26, from 9 total ratings. Received ratings: 9 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 29 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot
elgrecoFL: <+mircea_popescu> !up elgrecoFL
elgrecoFL: <@assbot> Voicing elgrecoFL for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: lol timing is everything
mircea_popescu: !up elgrecoFL
assbot: Voicing elgrecoFL for 30 minutes.
elgrecoFL: heh. what was that about? :)
elgrecoFL: great bot name, btw
mircea_popescu: well you got voice.
elgrecoFL: thx. did i not have voice?
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot elgrecoFL
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user elgrecoFL: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=elgrecoFL | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=elgrecoFL | Rated since: never
elgrecoFL: well... i'm speechless :p
BingoBoingo: Were speechless
TestingUnoDosTre: that assbot is amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: the amazing times and feats of assbot, the amazing ass bot.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
elgrecoFL: lets see if ozbot speaks in this channel
elgrecoFL: stupid bot
ozbot: Gamisou re malaka!
elgrecoFL: wewt
mircea_popescu: haha wut
mircea_popescu: stupid bot
ozbot: Gamisou re malaka!
elgrecoFL: he speaks greek
elgrecoFL: well, curses in greek
BingoBoingo: !up BCB
assbot: Voicing BCB for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: who was running ozbot ? scrat ?
BingoBoingo: BCB: You should be able to self voice nao
BCB: BingoBoingo, I'm cool authed now. Thx
BCB: ;;voiceme
elgrecoFL: mircea_popescu: jezzz
joecool: unlike gribble
elgrecoFL: well, he wrote it anyway
joecool: ;;rated gribble
gribble: You rated user gribble on Sun Mar 2 22:05:31 2014, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: knows damn right who I am.
BingoBoingo: BCB: The method here is PM'ing assbot !up
BCB: ahh ok. thx
joecool: ;;whoami
gribble: I don't recognize you.
joecool: -_-
BCB: ;;whoami
gribble: I don't recognize you.
BCB: fucker
mircea_popescu: ;;whosurmom
gribble: Error: "whosurmom" is not a valid command.
BCB: !up
assbot: Need a nickname, BCB.
BingoBoingo: !up Periscope
assbot: Voicing Periscope for 30 minutes.
BCB: whoami
BCB: ;;whoami
gribble: I don't recognize you.
BingoBoingo: Plain !up works in PM, !up nick works in channel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00095321 = 4.0988 BTC [+]
benkay: one can also /msg assbot !up
benkay: dat one-liner
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell PeterL what key did you sign that pastebin with anyway ?!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: later all!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00095321 = 6.1959 BTC [+]
benkay: thestringpuller: ping
BingoBoingo: !up elgrecoFL
assbot: Voicing elgrecoFL for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: elgrecoFL: What sort of stuff do you do?
elgrecoFL: I excel in channel idling. This may be my first time ever speaking here in over a year.
elgrecoFL: :). just a bitocin enthusiast
elgrecoFL: don't really "do" much.
BingoBoingo: It happens
elgrecoFL: yep. small time mining since 2011
benkay: wish i got to do not much ;)
BingoBoingo: benkay: For some people doing a lot is showering once in a week. For other people not doing much is working 18 hour days.
elgrecoFL: heh. i'm closer to 10 hour days.
benkay: BingoBoingo: I suppose.
benkay: BingoBoingo: i do sometimes long for the days of the 40-hour work week.
BingoBoingo: BCB: !up yourself just to make sure things work
BingoBoingo: benkay: Sometimes I long for the days when the smell of cunt juice on the fingers was a new smell
benkay: haha sounds like you need to go find some new cunts to sniff
BCB: that did it
BCB: thax
BingoBoingo: BCB: Ur welcome
BingoBoingo: benkay: Maybe.
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot BCB
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask BCB!~BCB@ec2-54-204-38-85.compute-1.amazonaws.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BCB: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BCB | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BCB | Rated since: Thu Sep 20 19:03:51 2012
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.0049998 = 0.22 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: benkay: Has your Dukeness given much thought as to the requirements you suppose on those who would be your Ridders?
BingoBoingo: benkay: And your Jonkheers?
benkay: much thought
benkay: few conclusions
BingoBoingo: Similar situation here.
benkay: one interesting thing is this numeric count req'd to get into assbot's wot
benkay: say you rate someone +1
benkay: and I rate them -1
benkay: i imagine they'd not be able to !up any more.
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot benkay
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user benkay: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 9 via 9 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot BingoBoingo
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 8 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BingoBoingo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013
benkay: baseline requirements: must be able to sign things with wot key or decrypt things sent to wot key
benkay: ;)
BingoBoingo: Well that is the minimum or even below it to get self upping
benkay: there's a bit of inflation at the bottom end. i'm willing to +1 for #bitcoin-assets voice, and +2 people I know to be people and not terrifically scummy.
benkay: but the question of who receives that +1 is open.
benkay: bare minimum for a 3 is that i've done biz witcha.
BingoBoingo: Seems reasonable
benkay: ;;seen herbijudlestoids
gribble: herbijudlestoids was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 15 hours, 5 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <herbijudlestoids> BingoBoingo: if someone wanted to offer hosting services, do you think most people are after a VPS with SSH access? or just a VPS with a panel?
BingoBoingo: Oh, that
benkay: herbi can up himself
BingoBoingo: can he?
benkay: he's in your WoT.
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot herbijudlestoids
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user herbijudlestoids: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=herbijudlestoids | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=herbijudlestoids | Rated since: Fri Feb 14 01:33:49 2014
joecool: wot
joecool: u wot m8?
artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot joecool
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joecool | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joecool | Rated since: Thu Apr 28 14:23:15 2011
joecool: !rated artifexd
joecool: ;;rated artifexd
gribble: You have not yet rated user artifexd
BingoBoingo: ;;rate herbijedelstoids 1 voice
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate herbijedelstoids 1 voice
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate herbijudelstoids 1 voice
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate herbijudlestoids 0
gribble: Error: Rating must be in the interval [-10, 10] and cannot be zero.
BingoBoingo: ;;unrate herbijudlestoids
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for herbijudlestoids.
BingoBoingo: The consequences of spelling
benkay: lol
benkay: so bitvps busted cert?
ozbot: BitVPS: SSD VPS & Dedicated Servers for Bitcoin | SSD VPS + Dedicated Servers for Bitcoin
benkay: casual inspection sez ok, but chrome sez nawp
benkay: now comes my favorite part of client work
benkay: figuring out your crazy dns provider's web panel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00095392 = 10.3023 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00095308 = 10.8651 BTC [-] {2}
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