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artifexd: ;;rate mod6 1 Runs ATC bot BitOTTer in #altcoin
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mod6 has changed from 1 to 1.
cazalla: MisterE: nothing atm, stay at home dad
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5954686 = 1.1909 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: ah, he's not here.. who doesn't use a bouncer?
Mats_cd03: i use irccloud
Mats_cd03: is nice
Mats_cd03: but theres a log so it doesnt really matter
cazalla: but i don't know if he reads it so he might assume i am ignoring him
cazalla: plus i'm instantly suspicious when someone asks what i do
cazalla: it's 2014, i can be a stay at home dad, check your privilege ffs
Mats_cd03: being a stay at home dad is privilege
artifexd: Mats_cd03, I just got my invite and am looking forward to trying it. Thanks for the pointer.
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Mats_cd03: its well worth the 5 dollars a month imo
cazalla: Mats_cd03: yeah, it's good, sick of seeing the wife so much each day though :P
cazalla: breastfeeding mothers are in a class of their own when it comes to nagging/whinging
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MisterE: hahaha
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cazalla: MisterE: so you do read logs
MisterE: not always
MisterE: but I probably should
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 72 @ 0.00387486 = 0.279 BTC [-] {13}
cazalla: so what do you do for a crust
cads: wow I just read mircea completely demolish some logic, and then make an unfounded claim. An anonymous kid attacked the claim, to which mircea finally admitted the claim was true because he was the elder and does not have to give an explanation and take it or leave it
cads: then the kid actually kowtows and apologizes for being treated this way and even _thanks mircea for replying at all_
cads: I laughed mightily
cazalla: cads: are you still sober these days?
cads: what do you mean?
cazalla: you talked about it last year - i'm reading through the logs from the start and came across that like a week ago
cads: ah, okay
cazalla: i wasn't having a go at you
cads: it's okay
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cads: I still maintain sobriety from alcohol and other drugs, but I smoke pot
cazalla: I quit drinking for almost 2 years, started again few weeks before my son was born for some reason
joecool: cazalla: i'm guessing you are not the mother
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00010817 = 0.4327 BTC [+] {6}
cazalla: I must be really drunk if i am
joecool: lol
cads: :D
cads: cazalla: like.. how much booze?
cads: I have a friend that is so boozy he's constantly at risk of being homeless and I have to ask him is it worth it :P
cads: and he says "hell no it's not"
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cads: and keeps right on drinking it's ... heartbreaking
cazalla: Ah, it's not a problem, I just see the habit forming again that's all
cazalla: and that's when the problems can occur
cads: hey I guess that's not a bad place to be looking out from
cazalla: MP actually said something interesting in the logs about this to you or something else
cazalla: I'll butcher it when I paraphrase but along the lines of it's not that the world sucks but you're looking at everything through the lense of a sore and tired drunk
cads: I wouldn't wanna drunk holding my kid, even if that drunk was me :P
cads: I dunno, regrets, man, don't discount them
cads: but you'll do the right thing
cazalla: I don't do that, I just hop into bed and let the wife deal with the crying in the evening
cads: hah, lucky guy
cads: how long married?
cazalla: Well, technically not married
cazalla: together almost 6 years though so with a kid, we're pretty much married
cazalla: We discussed it before but she doesn't want to change her surname so I told her I'm not asking then
joecool: must have a crappy surname
cazalla: Which sounds like alarm bells to me if anyone else said it but it's all good
cads: lol
joecool: "yeah sry i don't want to be mrs. cockgobbler, i hope you understand"
random_cat: is betsofbitco.in down?
cazalla: joecool: she's just brainwashed by women's rights, funny how a lot of that went away once she fell pregnant
cads: "lets renegotiate this deal once you're willing to accept the name change package"
cazalla: cads: it could be worse, her bff got married and her husband changed his surname, i have no respect for the man
joecool: cazalla: first year or so my gf thought she'd want to keep her last name, decided she doesn't care now
cads: cazalla: that's strange
joecool: in fact she wants to change her first name's spelling as a package deal after she gets married
joecool: works for me
cads: I wouldn't ever want to inflict my last name upon a girl
cazalla: cads: she's vegan, leftist, check your privilege type, i hate the woman and her mouse of a husband just follows what she says
cads: lol, I like those girls but I fight with them a lot
cads: also math is weak
cazalla: joecool: i don't even care so much now that my son has my surname, that was really the only reason why i would've pushed for her to take my surname to begin with
cazalla: cads: she has great tits though
joecool: oh vegan would be dealbreaker i think, that or tobacco smoker
cads: I do vegan only if she cooks
cads: well
cads: and doesn't care if I eat meat
cads: and does sushi
cazalla: my wife can't cook or clean :\
cads: she must make a total shameless exception for sushi
joecool: though tbh i am polar opposite to gf, i can't eat wheat and she cooks bread all the time, i just eat a lot of breakfast food all the time
cads: god I would hate to clean better than my wife
cazalla: it's not so much that she can't clean by my mother was OCD about cleaning so my wife will never be up to par
cazalla: but*
cazalla: so i cook and clean but she's also breastfeeding so i don't mind so much, that's a job on it's own
joecool: messes don't cry
cazalla: it is interesting to watch all the leftish bullshit go out the window since she fell pregnant and bubs was born
joecool: prob stopped burning the bras now that she needs the support, etc
cazalla: she wanted him to have my surname, doesn't give 2 shits about the career she left behind and wants to remain a mum, thinks bubs does best with mum + dad around instead of single parent families being no different
cads: lol, feminists argue single parent families are just as good from statistical standpoint?
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cads: or just an idealogical one :)
cazalla: some will argue there is no difference between mum + dad versus single parent or gays
cazalla: "all they need is love"
cazalla: backflippd on abortion too, as did i
cazalla: at least for non medical reasons anyway
cads: dang, hormones, the ultimate argument
cazalla: just a shame we don't have guns to hold down the fort here in australia
joecool: i find it lulzy to see vegan pro-abortionists, i guess my logic is strutured a bit differently
joecool: *structured
cazalla: that's not so much my wife, more so her friend who would bring that stupid stuff up and my wife being submissive would just nod and parrot it
cazalla: i don't know how her husband explained to his parents he was changing his surname to hers
cads: I mean I'm sure societies where that happens predominantly are juuuust fine
cads: it just seems like a bitch move
cazalla: not that i'm the pack leader but he is a bitch, skinny little thing, follows her around, he goes with her to visit her friends
cazalla: they come around here and i just stay in the computer room while the 3 of them chat
nubbins`: ^ ahahahahaha
nubbins`: COUPLES NIGHT
cads: lol
nubbins`: WHERE'S YOUR HUSBAND ROSE OH HE'S IN THE OTHER ROOM HE FUCKING HATES YOU GUYS
cazalla: heh it's not that i hate em but they talk about things that don't interest me
cazalla: and i think he would need permission from his wife to take an interest in what i do in here
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06111111 = 1.5278 BTC [-]
ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
BingoBoingo: Apparently Havelock is reopening Cog for trading
Duffer1: remind me to read tomorrows log, I fear I may sleep through the great selloff
Duffer1: Goat mad
wywialm: hey, could anyone explain to me what does ATC stand for?
Duffer1: Altcoin
Duffer1: I'm not sure if that project's been abandoned yet though
BingoBoingo: Still going strong
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [+]
wywialm: altcoins in general or a specific project (unknown to me) with this name?
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BingoBoingo: The specific project known as Altcoi
wywialm: BingoBoingo: could you point to some details, please?
ozbot: X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin
BingoBoingo: It's being mined and traded... That's really all there is to it.
wywialm: thanks
BingoBoingo: Some people are contemplating gambling sites.
wywialm: in what ways ATC differs from, um, altcoins?
BingoBoingo: Well, it is totally like meta. Sure there's a lot of altcoins, but then there's Altcoin.
BingoBoingo: Doge is a meme, it will fade.
BingoBoingo: People have argued about the meaning of "is" since Plato and Aristotle. The meta angle has staying power.
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wywialm: so the power in the name? and what about mechanics?
cazalla: since when does that matter for altcoins?
wywialm: oh, finally, my google-fu allowed me to find something about it
BingoBoingo: Well, it is an SHA-256 coin
ozbot: Novena | Crowd Supply
BingoBoingo: Junkyard Wars laptop returns
cads: punkman: I don't remember if I answered your earlier question - thanks for the links
punkman: cads, I might set that up to generate the kind of leads you are looking for in a few months
cads: like your choice of dokuwiki, I've used that for a couple projects
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.045 = 0.72 BTC [+]
cads: punkman: have you played around with parts produced by a DLP machine?
punkman: cads, there's an expensive one at the local uni, but material is expensive and they don't let people use it often
cads: I understand that the machines print with really great layer times - something like 10 seconds a layer. They print vertical resolution of 0.2, which is par with what I print
cads: yeah I imagine the big bottleneck with those machines is material cost
punkman: they also have a couple Stratasys printers with ABS filament, which seem to produce worse quality than a well-calibrated reprap
punkman: $300/kg ABS filament for those
cads: you're kidding
cads: wow
cads: our client has a stratasys in a europe office but it's tied up most of the time so what the america based vp of development was doing was to fly to the europe office. He'd get a call from some engineers that would ask him if he could arrange to be in europe on this date two weeks from now.
cads: our parts were sturdier and overall similar quality
cads: I didn't know we were also getting our material 6 times cheaper
punkman: ABS pellets are like $100 for 1000kg
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cads: I'd like a printer that uses direct pellets
cads: probably a bad idea
punkman: easier to set up a filament extruder, I think one of the DIY ones does acceptable quality by now
cads: I'd like to see a printer where the extruder is actually an array of pores fed off of a high pressure hydraulic manifold, using some kind of high reliability high temperature electromechanical actuators
cads: so I can extrude wide ribbons
punkman: that's mad scientist stuff
cads: not even the objet does it that way
random_cat: watson, come here. i want to see you
cads: I think it would be too easy to cook that kind of a system
cads: actually, hey, make the extruder plate something like a actual thick plate that is bolted onto the end of a thick pressurized column of plastic
cads: rather, bolted onto a pipe carrying such a column
cads: then if the plate clogs (too much), you stop the machine, cool off the plastic, unbolt the endplate retainer, snap the end plate off, then have a look at what's happening with your plastic
cads: if the plastic isn't cooked you just bolt on another orifice plate and fire it back up
punkman: Polyjet tech does that array of "pores" thing, but you can't control viscous material like ABS in it
punkman: so it uses resin and cures it quickly
cads: yeah that's the big problem
cads: it's hard to leverage that much ABS, and you certainly can't do it in that rapid side to side motion enjoyed by the objet tech
cads: I think the extruder head (or build plate) may need to rotate in the w axis
MisterE: ;;ticker --market btce
gribble: BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 410.02, Best ask: 410.052, Bid-ask spread: 0.03200, Last trade: 410.054, 24 hour volume: 36303.61902, 24 hour low: 410.052, 24 hour high: 498.70001, 24 hour vwap: 454.376005
cads: punkman: this "wide array" extruder configuration would be ideal, if nothing else, for filling in swathes of infill
cads: as each pore passes into a perimeter boundary it initiates an extrusion event, and as the pore leaves a permeter boundary it ends the extrusion event (and wipes clean on the permeter edge)
cads: I know that even with current extruders the initial and terminal ends of the extrusion may fail to bond properly with the extruders
punkman: yeah that's not really gonna work
cads: but I feel like lags and hysteresis in the extruder have a role to play there too
cads: I just want to pack more plastic per second in the part, lol
punkman: you could make a 1mm extruder, then work on getting it to go fast
punkman: not great for detail of course
cads: I wonder if that would be okay for support too
cads: 1mm increases rate of plastic flow by 4?
cads: (compared to 0.5)
cads: I dunno if the rate of goopy flow through a pipe at a given pressure grows like the square of the pipe diameter or no
punkman: I'd say factor of 2, if layer height is the same
cads: anyways, time to hit the hay because I'm no longer coherent
punkman: yeah I'm gonna do some work too
cads: hmm, later height should be 0.8 mm
cads: you save four 0.2 mm layer in one fell goop
punkman: I think this is enough 3d printing talk for #b-a for the next few months
jurov: wha, still going? :)
cads: lol, gnite all
bounce: pity that novena thing has like nothing on available keyboards except "bring your own"
punkman: bounce, thinkpad keyboards are easy to get
punkman: that's a really weird design for the $2k option though
bounce: hope so. I'd like a keyboard without touchpad and with trackpoint. even so you get the usual crappy layout with too many and too small keys
ozbot: Judge orders Mt Gox CEO to U.S. for questions on failed bitcoin exchange
antephialtic: asciilifeform: do you worry that trezor's message signing capabilities might reduce demand for the cardano?
BingoBoingo: I can't answer for him, but the use cases seem completely different
antephialtic: trezor can sign arbitrary messages, not just bitcoin transactions
antephialtic: if they become popular, I could see people using signing addresses a lot more
antephialtic: nice thing about ecdsa sigs is you can extract the pubkey from the signature, hash it, then check that it matches the signing address
BingoBoingo: Well, the other problem though is that it is still ecdsa sigs
antephialtic: right now its a lot clunkier than using normal GPG signatures, but if the trezor becomes widespread, I could see people improving the tooling
antephialtic: what's wrong with ecdsa sigs? backdoored by NSA?
antephialtic: if thats true, we are already screwed :) government can just take all our bitcoins
antephialtic: (if you reuse addresses, that is)
Apocalyptic: that's an important point
BingoBoingo: Address reuse is theoretically problematic, with a poor RNG it is completely fucked as the android wallet apps demonstrated
antephialtic: I mean if we think the NSA is some all knowing crypto monster, what's to say they can't break SHA-256? They are the ones that invented it, after all
truffles: if everything has a backdoor any1 would seem allknowing :D
BingoBoingo: Well the problem with ECDSA is each signature from a public/private keypair needs a quality random number or the private key is reasonably soluable. People last year who used Android bitcoin wallets lost bitcoin over this known problem.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00095749 = 31.9323 BTC [+]
davout: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00214608 / 0.0025 (3831 shares, 8.22 BTC)
davout: how do i get the bid/ask?
punkman: $depth x.eur
mpexbot: punkman: X.EUR Bids: ['300 @ 0.00326888', '2400 @ 0.0019005', '200 @ 0.00170512', '500 @ 0.00169213', '4200 @ 0.0016245']
mpexbot: punkman: Asks: ['300 @ 0.00330916']
ozbot: 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 406 blocks | Estimated Change: 19.2859% in 2d 6h 22m 28s
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00010998 = 0.5499 BTC [+] {6}
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 293932 | Current Difficulty: 5.0068605892054E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 294335 | Next Difficulty In: 403 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 19 hours, 22 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 5969305913.59 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.22253
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 421.7, vol: 40094.23126396 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 416.0, vol: 38276.78147 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 420.9, vol: 37184.58693744 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 421.75, vol: 222.56336298 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 406.19656, vol: 12405.72170000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 432.76815, vol: 7.40834272 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 414.494273766, vol: 201.60036486 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
jurov: ;;more
gribble: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 418.260430828
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0564 = 0.1128 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00096 = 16.512 BTC [+]
punkman: "years ago when I visited the City Police anti-money laundering division in the City of London who told me with absolutely straight faces that despite London being the centre of international banking, not a single penny of laundered or drug money entered the City banks."
punkman: "I kid you not that is what they said to me. I asked them if they thought I was on day release from a special needs school. They did not laugh."
moiety catches up
moiety: i missed the 3d printing talk D:
moiety: 3D printed manuls punkman ... just a thought
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00095956 = 9.3077 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Imma bout to get hit with a squall line in about 5-15 minutes. If I'm offline a while it is because assholes decide above ground power and internet are great in a area with trees and frequent wind storms
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 436.99, vol: 42410.76774656 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 430.01, vol: 38953.32076 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 434.0, vol: 37808.69864611 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 449.0, vol: 203.86828796 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 416.99161, vol: 13052.92940000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 439.36061, vol: 8.94932542 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 437.0705, vol: 168.0749815 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 432.137326659
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22281 @ 0.00095983 = 21.386 BTC [+]
khersonus: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 51 minutes and 31 seconds
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00095996 = 30.9107 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0574 = 0.861 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04523999 = 0.4524 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05789994 = 0.2895 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04515249 = 0.1806 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0579 = 0.2316 BTC [+]
ozbot: Bitcoin And Cryptocurrency Exchange Platform Solution For Operators Launched by PFSOFT - Yahoo Finan
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00096 = 1.44 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: they want money for it ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.10144642 = 3.0434 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.000953 = 9.4824 BTC [-]
bounce: it doesn't say they're giving it away. looks like yahoo was a bit late in picking up this press release.
BingoBoingo: This was a thoroughly underwhelming storm for these awfully inconsiderate sirens to roused me from bed so.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.000953 = 3.9073 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol you got weather sirens ?
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VanCleef: hey mp
VanCleef: any new companies being ipo'd on mpex this year?
ozbot: Obama-Clinton, or the end of the republic. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: VanCleef none so far.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, goes with the area's propensity for tornadoes
mircea_popescu: oh that far up north ? didn't know.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 436.18, Best ask: 437.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.82000, Last trade: 437.0, 24 hour volume: 42403.99452722, 24 hour low: 416.11, 24 hour high: 490.56, 24 hour vwap: 444.403658178
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, I'm much closer to st louis than chicago. Right about the same latitude as this airport http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Storms-cause-damage-at-Lambert-Airport-minor-injuries-reported-120523519.html
ozbot: Storms prompt tornado warnings, cause damage in St. Louis area |
BingoBoingo: This morning's thing that couldn't quite keep it together long enough to make it here intact
ozbot: In A NYT Op-Ed, Venezuela's Maduro Explains Why It's The Rich That Are Revolting | Zero Hedge
BingoBoingo: The rich, the air, who is revolting next today?
VanCleef: gay mafia?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo oh i c
mircea_popescu: well it's zeroclue, so.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Eight years ago yesterday a classmate at the time got to see their roof flipped off of their apartment and discarded on the golf course.
mircea_popescu: anyway, nice bit, it signals the switch of the us from reagan-esque "promoter of democracy" in the world to obama-esque "promoter of democracy" in the world.
mircea_popescu: the difference between the two democracies aptly described by the differences between the two berlins, on either side of the wall.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0584 = 0.292 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and didn't even have to buy the lsd...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05889989 = 0.1767 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0439 = 0.1317 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, springtime here and LSD would be too much.
BingoBoingo: Here's a particularly interesting storm from when I was in Carbondale for Grad school http://www.spc.noaa.gov/misc/AbtDerechos/casepages/may82009page.htm
BingoBoingo: "The city of Carbondale was nearly impassable because of fallen trees and debris, and 34 properties were deemed total losses. The campus of Southern Illinois University suffered extensive damage, with nearly 100 windows blown out of residence halls. An unofficial gust to 106 mph was recorded on the roof of the Carbondale airport."
jadne: rawr
BingoBoingo: The weather service report neglects to mention how many properties were total losses before the storm.
mircea_popescu: ajaja that venezuelan piece is quite the thing.
mircea_popescu: "we have the lowest inequality in the region [everyone is poor now]"
mircea_popescu: "Democracy (in the terminology and reality of socialists) seems to be the path of long lines of people waiting, clutching a government issued piece of paper, entitling them to a ration of food, water, health care, gasoline...and of course...toilet paper, not confiscated already for government officials delicate bottoms."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00095298 = 14.1041 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Why forums can't work: "Since 1998, the movement founded by Hugo Chávez has won more than a dozen presidential, parliamentary and local elections through an electoral process that former American President Jimmy Carter has called “the best in the world.” Recently, the United Socialist Party received an overwhelming mandate in mayoral elections in December 2013, winning 255 out of 337 municipalities."
BingoBoingo: Plato was right!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00095544 = 0.6688 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so glbse group 3 is well represented ?
BingoBoingo: Well, CryptoStocks 2.0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.10144642 = 1.0145 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I dunno that they even seem to put in the effort in developing chumptronics to fall into the GLBSE/BTC-TC/Buttfunder camp
mircea_popescu: my own counting scheme is 1. glbse ; 2. btctc, bitfunder, havelock ; 3. bitcoinbourse etc
mircea_popescu: o right, cause the kumala thing existed all along huh ?
mircea_popescu: no, you have a point.
ThickAsThieves: mp down with the hags! my only real experience with hags is on nonprofit boards as clients
ThickAsThieves: such wretches
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves innit ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, Cryptostocks is old, but I guess Crytostocks was the first 3rd gen chumpotron of this sort
mircea_popescu: i'm personally only quoting the italians, as all old women i know are actually pretty great
ThickAsThieves: well not all old women aare hags
BingoBoingo: The third gen advance is being so overtly scammy and obtuse to any outside diligence the things might continue indefinitely
ThickAsThieves: but many on nonprofit boards are, in my experience at least
mircea_popescu: anyway, medieval/renaissance italian literature hates the cateogry like no other.
mircea_popescu: by comparison, niggers were popular in the southern us pre and post civil war.
ThickAsThieves: i think an environment does temper a hag
ThickAsThieves: they are definitely bitter about something
ThickAsThieves: probly long forgotten
BingoBoingo: Well that popularity has largely been supplanted by tractors and pickup trucks
mircea_popescu: wait people now hate tractors ?
ThickAsThieves: maybe they are alpha males trapped in a woman's body
ThickAsThieves: and systemically dismantled over the years
mircea_popescu: maybe that's the punishment for being an asshole.
mircea_popescu: you're reborn as a woman and get to live forever.
ThickAsThieves: life is heaven, life is hell
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well tractors are now popular in the way coloreds used to be popular. They are useful implements, but a pain to maintain.
mircea_popescu: they were kinda my favourite toys as a little boy...
ThickAsThieves: humoursly enough, my favorites were lambos
ThickAsThieves: yellow ones
mircea_popescu: omfg i just had the evilest thought. suppose you have a bad dog like this one : http://i.imgur.com/5C8zhB5.jpg
BingoBoingo: Maybe Goat's next lambo will be the original model
mircea_popescu: suppose you add large-ish suction cups as part of the bottoms of the casts
mircea_popescu: so he can now... climb walls
ThickAsThieves: get off the dope!
BingoBoingo: Where is moiety for this dog talk
mircea_popescu: dude it's good stuff.
mircea_popescu: dogbombardment
BingoBoingo: Might be a decent source of entropy
mircea_popescu: fill all the lights with bacon...
moiety: someone say dog?
BingoBoingo: Or cheese. Cheese makes dogs gassy for greater lulz
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.043675 = 0.3494 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: mircea_popescu: how is that an evil thought??? spider-dog FTW!
moiety: imagine the sounds it would make tooo
moiety: was goat's lambo actually real btw or a trollstory
mircea_popescu: just like all the rest of goat's stuff. if you're the sort of person that believes things some guy claims, it was real.
moiety: didn't think so
mircea_popescu: if not, you can join the line. it started back in 2012, when he was going to prove he had a mining farm.
mircea_popescu: anyminute now.
BingoBoingo: His forum is... interesting
moiety rolls eyes
moiety: i thought .. hmm right then at the 21 y/o thai wife
moiety: ok so ... who has a dog we can attach suction cups to?
moiety: spider-cats? i have two
mircea_popescu: if anyone is old enough to remember the picostocks / 100blabla scam ? the one that briefly took on buzzdave after his basicminer scamstint, before the girl drove him out ?
BingoBoingo: I remember it a bit.
mircea_popescu: that one was pretty much the same thing, guy claiming he's rich and he has bought X miners, then that thing went scam
mircea_popescu: but the rich guy somehow hadn't lost anything, and immediately bought just as much of Y thing.
mircea_popescu: this is the typical way imagined fortunes work, and it belies their virtuality. the guy wasn't actually invested, but merely pretended to be invested.
mircea_popescu: the actuality of the failure of the purported investment does nothing to alleviate the causes of the pretense, and so the pretense is simply rehashed.
mircea_popescu: re-making the claim costs about as much as it cost originally.
mircea_popescu: same with goat. he was in here explaining how great future silver has,
mircea_popescu: then silver went to shit, but that's ok, cause he was really invested in... whatever went up.
mircea_popescu: retroactively.
BingoBoingo: Who the fuck though wears a down jacket in a datacenter?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for completitude's sake, the blatant set really should be cryptostocks / picostocks / bitcoinbourse
ThickAsThieves: mp, do you think you'll ever invest in mining infrastructure? do you think governments will? what if china controls all our coinz?
mircea_popescu: and we have the equivalent "exchanges", icbit, bitfinex etc
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i said government had, a couple months after they had started, a few months ago.
mircea_popescu: i personally possibly not. it's just not one of my strenghts.
mircea_popescu: i don't own power plants either ;/
ThickAsThieves: which governments mine?
BingoBoingo: picostocks is prolly more a 2.5 gen chumpotron
ThickAsThieves: i feel like if the US is gonna tax it, they should support it
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they never were anything but blatant about it, weren't they ?
chetty: National Foundation for the bitcoin
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that type of concern is vastly alleviated by the btc cap. we've already mined more than half the total.
mircea_popescu: nobody will control all the coins, too late for that.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They were blatant, but the weren't quite as refined in their Haxxed, coins are gone as Cryptostocks/Vircurex was where some separation was imagined
mircea_popescu: (this incidentally is one major point proponents of alternative coins don't realise. one of the most important permanence factors in a coin is just how well distributed the coinbase is. this is not something later coins will readilyt achieve, bitcoin achieved by accident
ThickAsThieves: i understand that much, but the mining ecosystem is its own thing
mircea_popescu: or not really accident, more like the interplay of will and understanding, as limited by reality - i demonstrated this once in here using asciilifeform as my victim)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves sure, but not nearly as threatening
ThickAsThieves: for example, it's not absurd to think cex.io has more than 51% right now
ThickAsThieves: and is hiding the "excess"
mircea_popescu: cex is a minor player.
mircea_popescu: you may not know this, but there's a major miner bezzle market going
BingoBoingo: It's also not absurd to imagine cex.io doesn't have any hardware
ThickAsThieves: sorry by cex i mean ghash.io pool + the remainder
mircea_popescu: where people pay a slight premium to be allowed to pretend they mine by the actual miners.
mircea_popescu: this works to everyone's benefit : the actual miners get to conceal their mining, which they want to do
ThickAsThieves: i mean the remotely measurable stuff
mircea_popescu: the pretenders get to pretend like they matter, which ios really all they're interested in
ThickAsThieves: not reported bs
mircea_popescu: nothing is remotely measurable.
mircea_popescu: in mining.
ThickAsThieves: so the pool reports are a lie?
mircea_popescu: the connection between mining and identity is aribtrary. purely.
mircea_popescu: if i own 1petahash worth of mining gear, and we have a deal that you claim to own 1petahash worth of mining, we can work it so no third party can ever discover this.
ThickAsThieves: but that goes to my point as much as yours
mircea_popescu: i want this, because a mine is a physical thing, it needs proxying.
mircea_popescu: you want this because you're a goat
mircea_popescu: best of all worlds.
mircea_popescu: no, it's more subtle than that ThickAsThieves
mircea_popescu: remember how i told tg2 to stfu yest, because it's not HIS job to tell the exchanges how to exchange ? it's not.
mircea_popescu: in exactly the same way, it's not your job to "verify" that the miners don't 51%
ThickAsThieves: i have him ignored
BingoBoingo: !t h cog
assbot: [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.02949251 / 0.05480000 (895 shares, 26.39580023 BTC)
mircea_popescu: its their own self interest that does.
mircea_popescu: not in any sense within your control.
ThickAsThieves: i dont want that job
mircea_popescu: well i use you generically.
ThickAsThieves: are you sayng that if mining power centralized to an unhealthy degree, so what?
mircea_popescu: i am saying that a) it cannot happen and b) this irrespective of what you know or don't know.
mircea_popescu: so in your terms "if you think it is or you think it isn't, so what ?"
ThickAsThieves: i mean i hear you, but this isnt quite about what i think or know, so much as what "is"
mircea_popescu: there is no i.
mircea_popescu: there is no is.*
ThickAsThieves: maybe tackle from another angle,
ThickAsThieves: would you say the more miners the better?
mircea_popescu: up to a threshold. then it doesn't really matter
ThickAsThieves: a dynamic threshold?
mircea_popescu: possibly, depending what context you working in
ThickAsThieves: suppose most miners are indeed in china
ThickAsThieves: and bitcoin is a huge thing
BingoBoingo: Interesting point: Discus Fish. Was a nothing six months ago. Now relayed to b.info 2 of the last six blocks first
ThickAsThieves: and US blows up china
ThickAsThieves: i know i know
mircea_popescu: i can't discuss the impossible tho, because anything can be logically derived from nonsense.
ThickAsThieves: i'm basically trying to make a case for mining diversification
mircea_popescu: but you're misstating it. if most of the world is china, then most of the world is going to be china
mircea_popescu: why get drunk on air?
ThickAsThieves: and for institutions to support that mining
mircea_popescu: institutions have no business existing.
asciilifeform: antephialtic: re: trezor: open the widget and let it speak for itself.
mircea_popescu: the future is of individuals, who are going to be the institutions. like it or not.
mircea_popescu: well sure, but this "institution" bs is gone.
mircea_popescu: we're going back to caesar who is personally the emperor,
ThickAsThieves: i can buy it, except for that all history and all things in the universe say otherwise
mircea_popescu: running an empire of generals and senators who ARE, they themselves personally, the respective institutions.
ThickAsThieves: things contract into form, and explose into chaos over and over
mircea_popescu: the "country of laws not men" failed much like the giant leap forward failed.
ozbot: Russian GLONASS Down For 12 Hours - Slashdot
ThickAsThieves: are you saying the the age of the individual through tech can evade becoming to "centralized" and live between chaos and form?
BingoBoingo: Wiki hates
ozbot: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2014 March 24 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i suppose, depending on what exactly ou mean by that.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that loltron is still going?!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Just closed.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo o, they beleeted it ? awww.
asciilifeform: last i checked, i was proclaimed a spammer and given a shitburial
truffles: orly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well because you were, what, you dare contest teh wisdom that is ?
truffles: biggest spammer above u dood
BingoBoingo: Eh, give it a few years and then wikipedia will be subsumed by wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/archive/fail/wikipedia
mircea_popescu: i dunno about that. ideally we dun pour effort into dirt
BingoBoingo: I doubt effort will be needed
dirt_: dont effort into me
truffles: asciilifeform u have a blog right? link again plz
mircea_popescu: anyway, once public education becomes a thing of the past, we'll be back to having actual literacy and actual encyclopedists will write actual encyclopedias,
mircea_popescu: which will be actually worth reading
mircea_popescu: lolstate oops dirt_
asciilifeform: truffles: small blog - http://www.loper-os.org
ThickAsThieves: what i mean is, by my own understanding so far, it seems all things centralize over time. in the context of human civilization this is seen quite obviously in, probably, all things observable
truffles: ya but its well written :)
mircea_popescu: things centralise as they die.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: COunterexample - Yugoslavia
ThickAsThieves: it's a cycle, yes
ThickAsThieves: and despite its elegance, i'm not sure bitcoin can avoid this
ThickAsThieves: of course, the timeline for any given thing centralizing and dying is uknown
mircea_popescu: my own view of that cycle is something like : a cool thing makes inroads. the people doing the cool thing eventually die, their successors aim to maintain that greatness
truffles: somehow i had forgotten to bookmark
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Counterexample - Rawandan Hotelliers
mircea_popescu: so they resort to the fuel available : centralising
mircea_popescu: and then eventually that runs out too and that's that.
ThickAsThieves: i think there that danger must exist in bitcoin somewhere
asciilifeform: incidentally, i was proclaimed an unrepentant spammer, years ago, by no less a spam god than pg (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=91)
ThickAsThieves: if not mining, if not owning of majority coins, then somewhere else
ThickAsThieves: eventually
mircea_popescu: suppose you all get extradited to the us to stand trial as witnesses in civil proceedings against unrelated third parties, and are liek waterboarded for lyf. as the forum says will happen.
mircea_popescu: the idiots left to replace you will decide well... the only way to maintain the glory of -assets that was
truffles: asciilifeform why
chetty: well perhaps none of us will live long enough to see the next centralization
mircea_popescu: is to all pretend we're mp
mircea_popescu: so the channel spends a while as a dump of copy/pasted material
mircea_popescu: and slightly re-written webcopy
mircea_popescu: and then eventually dies.
mircea_popescu: that's the cycle.
ThickAsThieves: maybe the centralization is bitcoin itself
ThickAsThieves: load up on your ATCs!
asciilifeform: re: GLONASS: russia fucked the goat when it decided, in late '70s, to copy american CPUs so that warez can be used instead of investing in software dev.
asciilifeform: it remains to be seen whether it will recover from this mistake.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun think that was such a bad call myself.
asciilifeform: check out the latest 'Elbrus', for instance. x86, runs... xp.
truffles: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1276104/ so u havent seen this movie?
ozbot: Looper (2012) - IMDb
asciilifeform: ;;google siberian pipeline explosion
gribble: Siberian pipeline sabotage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_pipeline_sabotage>; Urengoy–Pomary–Uzhgorod pipeline ( 1983 ) - Wikipedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urengoy%E2%80%93Pomary%E2%80%93Uzhgorod_pipeline>; Update: Agent Farewell and the Siberian Pipeline Explosion ...: <http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/agent- (1 more message)
asciilifeform: did this teach anything? of course not.
ThickAsThieves: i'd like to see a blog that consistently tackled the topics that make people like us most uncomfortable
ThickAsThieves: mp: so make it
truffles: TAT i doubt that
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: But different things make us uncomfortable unequally
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the point of blogging is to explore exactly that.
asciilifeform: truffles: the cheap flick with the time machine mafia?
ThickAsThieves: bingo that's even better
truffles: pfff it was watchable!
asciilifeform: truffles: not sure how it relates
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Just blag already
truffles: loper/looper
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if memory serves, the lessons learned were more about vetrov
ThickAsThieves: well, to be candid, and i love you guys, but right now our blog army is mostly preachers to the same choir
asciilifeform: truffles: 'lopers' were aliens from clifford simak's 'city'
mircea_popescu: so make it :D
mircea_popescu: the point was never to agree. the point was to disagree well.
truffles: is there a movie?
VanCleef: i have feelings for u too
truffles: omg rly mp u hate ppl who dont agree with u hypocrite
ThickAsThieves: thinking out loud, so sorry if this sucks, but i was also wondering whether having scheduled debate/topic events in channel would be cool
truffles loves debates
mircea_popescu: it'd certainly relieve me of the need to be always here whenever you schmucks manage to get an idea or something :D
ThickAsThieves: kinda invite outsiders to watch and see the channel flex
truffles laughs
mircea_popescu: nah see, that's just moving the choir mentality down the road.
mircea_popescu: fuck the outsiders.
mircea_popescu: they wanna participate they'd better find it.
ThickAsThieves: it's not like we'd "market" it
asciilifeform: truffles: it was a minor subplot. they find these critters on jupiter, living in the gas, and decide to study them. by building a machine which transforms people into them, so they can see what their life is like. and then, for years, no one returns to be converted back. eventually one fellow comes back. and tells how much more fun it is than being human. end result: mankind vanishes, converted to lopers.
ThickAsThieves: so much as post the schedule
mircea_popescu: this, actually, i propose as quite an illustrative 10k words summary of -assets
truffles: ohh sounds cool
mircea_popescu: aren't the girls on the left just as hot as the one on the right ?
mircea_popescu: sure. and more numerous to boot.
truffles: link me (will put on my to do list)
mircea_popescu: however, they are perfectly useless, and will not matter.
mircea_popescu: she on the right matters. they on the left don't even exist.
truffles: mankind vanishing sounds kinda hmmm
antephialtic: mircea_popescu: w.r.t. to owning the hashpower, it is clear that the most effective way to launder the proceeds of some crime through bitcoin is to purchase mining hardware with the dirty cash
ThickAsThieves: The found and CEO of BitPay, Tony Gallippi, commented: “The launch of our new brand and logo aligns with our open-source culture."
antephialtic: in return for "clean coins"
mircea_popescu: antephialtic or purchase mining power.
VanCleef: tony seems really dodgy
ThickAsThieves: i've met him, he's hard to read
mircea_popescu: he's the only brain left in the bitcoin scamfoundation troop.
mircea_popescu: for as long as he can put up with the imbeciles, at any rate.
VanCleef: did he have a nice smell?
ThickAsThieves: he seems kind
antephialtic: VanCleef: BitPay is doing some good stuff. They are the only company that actually invests in the protocol itself
VanCleef: bitpay is the paypal of bitcoin reality
truffles: TAT why dont u start another channel with the debate stuff?
ThickAsThieves: with a hint of nervousness
asciilifeform: why does the protocol need 'investment' ?
BingoBoingo: I dunno how I feel about Bitpay promoting some node.js BBQ stuff they's been pimping
ThickAsThieves: that's why
BingoBoingo: Seems Intersango like
mircea_popescu: antephialtic nah, not only and not even notable.
mircea_popescu: conformal is much more "only" and definitely more notable.
VanCleef: its just my humble opinion, i dont trust bitpay
antephialtic: Not the node.js stuff, that is a gimmick to get more shitty stack-overflow copy/pasting devs building crappy webapps
punkman: in an alternate universe, we have node.ps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS
antephialtic: BitPay pays Jeff Garzik's salary
antephialtic: for him to work on bitcoin-core fulltime
truffles: TAT i think it will achieve what u want better imo :)
VanCleef: yeh and Jeff Garzik is a snitch
VanCleef: i dont trust him either
BingoBoingo: antephialtic: You know TradeFortress was a hugbox node.js fan
ThickAsThieves: i'm just floating whims
mircea_popescu: so what of it ? conformal pays its devs the salary to work on bitcoin-core full time.
ThickAsThieves: not trying to start a revolution
mircea_popescu: let me underscore that the core devs of bitcoin are at conformal not at the scam foundation.
truffles: chat revolution?
antephialtic: name one miner mining off of btcd
truffles: twas ur "idea"
BingoBoingo: Actual miners are the least knowable thing in BTC
antephialtic: look at the commit log, they fix chain-splitting bugs constantly
mircea_popescu: yeah, when they're not hardforking the chain
truffles: i like how theyre like 3 topics ongoing heh
antephialtic: mircea_popescu: as a grotesque consequence of the sad state of the bitcoin-core codebase, bitcoin-core is unreplaceable
mircea_popescu: you really don't want to go into utility. so far the pretend-core devs are a liability overall.
mircea_popescu: that nonsense has no currency here.
ThickAsThieves: reddit doesnt seem to notice that every China-is-doomgloom post is by the same guy
BingoBoingo: truffles: There's always only been one topic here
mircea_popescu: i know, the circlejerk that is the pretend-core likes to convice themselves they're needed because they're stupid.
mircea_popescu: that's not how tech works.
mircea_popescu: not since 1800s at least.
truffles: boingo right now doubtful
antephialtic: mircea_popescu: I respect you. But I don't see you committing patches and fixing bugs. It's dirty work, but somebody has to do it.
mircea_popescu: dirty work does not become notable by virtue of being dirty.
mircea_popescu: ;;google "there's some lovely filth down here"
gribble: Oh! There is some lovely filth down here - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZD89CEO1Vk>; Monty Python Holy Grail : Autonomous Collective - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE>; Monty Python and the Holy Grail: <http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/mphg/mphg.htm>
antephialtic: yes, but it has utility.
VanCleef: its good that bitcoin is centralised to a few core devs
asciilifeform: antephialtic: what genuine bug has been patched since satoshi left ?
mircea_popescu: that's a case by case basis. in their case, it does not.
BingoBoingo: truffles: The topic is and has always been everything. It is unchanging
mircea_popescu: antephialtic in point of fact nobody sane uses their releases, most bitcoin is on .6 at the latest
antephialtic: asciilifeform: chain fork that happened
truffles: everything umk
mircea_popescu: in this sense, if they went home today, or if they went home in 2013, it'd have made no difference
mircea_popescu: this is the definition of not useful.
truffles: nice that everything is on 3 things though
mircea_popescu: <antephialtic> asciilifeform: chain fork that happened << it didn't "happen". mike hearn manufactured it.
mircea_popescu: the rest of them enabled it.
antephialtic: I disagree, P2SH is actually a big improvement in security by making multisig not a huge bitch to use
asciilifeform: i remember this. and thought that other people did, too.
mircea_popescu: antephialtic you're sliding the conversation all over the place.
antephialtic: well, my overall point (which you disagree with me on) is that the core devs provide value to all bitcoin users.
mircea_popescu: indeed, i fully disagree with that point.
BingoBoingo: I dunno that easy ECDSA multisig is a feature and not a "feature"
mircea_popescu: overall, they're a slight liability so far, and the trend is negative
mircea_popescu: they'll be a major liability this time next year, at the rate they're going.
asciilifeform: the core devs remind me of vagrants who pour water on cars at stoplights and then demand money for the 'wash.'
ThickAsThieves: i concur, i feel like they trailblazing in the dark toward a cliff
mircea_popescu: actually that's exactly it. vagrants with dirty rags at ny stop lights.
VanCleef: lol perfect description ascii
mircea_popescu: "they're useful", i nthe sense of mostly hungry.
ThickAsThieves: thats not to say that i think meaning isnt possible
ThickAsThieves: meaningful*
asciilifeform: 'i washed yer car, pony up' - 'i might throw you a penny, but you should've used water, not piss'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "what the fuck are you doing here ?" "washing your wife, what does it look like!" "get out! " "hey, you owe me fifty bucks"
antephialtic: but I do agree with you that conformal giving them some competition is a boon. I hope btcd becomes a fully viable alternative
antephialtic: (to the point where protocol additions/modifications can be implemented there first)
mircea_popescu: antephialtic and i agree with you[r unstated point] that they're too young yet to have shown they suck,
mircea_popescu: so the future is still largely unknown.
ThickAsThieves: last night, driving home, i see these large flashy signs saying "NARCOTICS CHECKPOINT"
ThickAsThieves: then tons of cop lights for a half-mile
ThickAsThieves: with people pulled over
ThickAsThieves: i wasnt pulled over
ThickAsThieves: but i do wonder hoe the fuck this works
ThickAsThieves: "Do you have drugs?" "No." "Carry on" ?
mircea_popescu: outrageous.
ThickAsThieves: we are definitely overstaffed in this county
VanCleef: spread your cheeks and cough
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell justusranvier http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2014#601622 prolly interest you.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: is it an idiot trap? i mean all you do is say "is that an order?" "am i free to leave?" and that's it rigght?
mircea_popescu: i'd fucking sue the town.
ThickAsThieves: last weekend,
mircea_popescu: "you delayed me. pay up. you didn't pay up of your own accord. here's my lawyer. pay him too."
ThickAsThieves: they has a first-time craft beer festival
ThickAsThieves: partially promoted and organized by the city
ThickAsThieves: 5 years ago the city had a nice new parking lot made near the area
ThickAsThieves: free every day all day
ThickAsThieves: then you go the event and it's all blocked off
ThickAsThieves: with someone collecting fees
ThickAsThieves: AND it was a pay event
ThickAsThieves: i dont get it...
VanCleef: dont they search your car?
VanCleef: if they wanted to
ThickAsThieves: so we pay for the lot, and when we need it most you charge us again?
BingoBoingo: Eh, the state universities in Illinois have this odd rule where parking must be financed separately from the university it is attached to
BingoBoingo: The end result is a desire to sit in the parking garage for a lecture rather than any of the lecture halls
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll say they learned vetrov's lesson when they quit winblows.
moiety: what an epic day! I can think straight again! *getting to keep my house a wee bit longer!
mircea_popescu: nah, they just changed how they did personnel . for the nth time.
asciilifeform: nato strategy for getting russians to eat shit, however, is brilliant - eat it themselves.
BingoBoingo: congrats moiety
mircea_popescu: homeless moiety ?!
asciilifeform: 'they're eating it, why shouldn't we'
moiety: not yet mircea_popescu
moiety beams
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform brilliant is one way to call it...
moiety: thanks BingoBoingo :D
ozbot: News from The Associated Press
antephialtic: "The U.S. government masterminded the creation of a "Cuban Twitter" - a communications network designed to undermine the communist government in Cuba, built with secret shell companies and financed through foreign banks, The Associated Press has learned."
moiety: let's celebrate with a manul: this is the face i mde at my landlord today https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1125248520/manul_profile.png
asciilifeform: where's the russian webturd for stirring unrest in the u.s.? why the neglect.
BingoBoingo wonders if the back ditch is going to be able to handle all of this rain without spilling it into the house
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I dunno that the russians need one/lack the discipline to conceal their involvement
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves "narcotics checkpoint" aka "seeing if there are any shady people on the road"... travelling in a car is second only to travelling by air with regard to how few rights you have
truffles: booo
VanCleef: how do you lose against a crack head tho?
moiety: BingoBoingo: i think this is worth a trip to london
BingoBoingo: moiety: Maybe from scotland, it's what 15 minutes on a bicycle?
moiety: approx 8 hours via train, 12 via bus, 3 via plane
BingoBoingo: But they look so close on the map.
moiety: lolol probably cus you could fit britain into where you live XD
moiety: takes 5 hours just to drive tonewcastle form here
moiety: (making good time)
nubbins`: what's a plane ride cost, $1?
jurov: where's bitcointa-lk firefox plugin?
moiety: lol not from this city £100+
moiety: it the only flight you can get i think nubbins` lol (to london)
nubbins`: still. they wouldn't let you into the airport for £100 here
BingoBoingo: jurov: Github
ozbot: Browser Extension | Bitcointa.lk
moiety: and its those shady wee 12 seater things
moiety: this is where i live (photographer friends pic) http://i.imgur.com/4CX29Ql.png
BingoBoingo: That's not a place... That's a dock or a bridge
moiety: we has both :D thats the city
BingoBoingo: Is that a volcano in the middle?
moiety: 3 photographer friends have started an fb page withtheir pictures of the place, ivebeen stealing them all lol
moiety: yep
moiety: dormant
nubbins`: man. i've been trying to order medium black organic t-shirts for like a fuckin month
nubbins`: but they're always sold out of MEDIUM
nubbins`: all 5 warehouses
nubbins`: hundreds of all other sizes in stock
jurov: buy L and cook them?
jurov: and label them "pre-shrunk"
BingoBoingo: Buy small and call them fat?
moiety: lolol ^
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: well last time the customer just got a bunch of large
BingoBoingo: If you want to be polite about it you can call the smalls "fitted"
nubbins`: but this order, they're asking for 20 mediums in a 50-shirt order
nubbins`: i'm going to suggest charcoal grey instead of black
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.063099 = 0.1262 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Maybe institute a bezzel where your "insurer" won't let you organic, because moths
jurov: BingoBoingo: thx, I realized I can click the (Github) on their plugin page
BingoBoingo: jurov: welcome
nubbins`: one of the nicest smells is just after you finish grinding coffee beans
nubbins`: there's this brief whiff of co2-heavy air that comes out
nubbins`: only lasts a second or two
ozbot: Rogue alcoholic court reporter kept writing ‘I hate my job’ | New York Post
nubbins`: always wondered why they don't keep voice recordings
asciilifeform: nubbins`: it's all part of the 'rule of law' bullshit, where they get to decide that certain things never happened
asciilifeform: or that tone of voice never happened (SOP) etc.
nubbins`: "Strike those comments from the record!" / "rewind the tape 30 seconds!"
BingoBoingo: Also text doesn't convey the judge's drunk sluring
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04400042 = 0.308 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05791428 = 0.4054 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.10144642 = 0.7101 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: yeah but then, unless an expert monkey walks the recording, it becomes obvious
asciilifeform: that something was snipped
asciilifeform: 'the memory hole'
asciilifeform: only really works well with text
nubbins`: for shame
nubbins`: stenography shorthand, fascinating
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06060114 = 0.4848 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: nubbins` lol pretty epic
ozbot: This is the story of your loss.
nubbins`: straight troll now ;(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00096 = 9.168 BTC [+]
antephialtic: "Marcel Popescu"
antephialtic: is that your french cousin?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea ?
mircea_popescu: you'll have to take me slowly, my forum reports stopped coming in. i have no fucking idea.
pankkake: wow, venezuela is scary. I fear it's the future of France :(
nubbins`: "People who go shopping every day hurt us all"
nubbins`: ^ pretty lucid
pankkake: and I'm a hoarder already
Apocalyptic: might as well be pankkake
mircea_popescu: pankkake the not so distant future.
nubbins`: you're not a hoarder, you're a nervous buyer.
Apocalyptic: but Sapin is gonna save you all
nubbins`: anyway, just pointing out the name of the website that article is posted on
pankkake: Now, think about those “loyalty cards” that every grocery store in North America promotes when you go through the checkout.
nubbins`: "the daily sheeple" -- almost as cringe-worthy as the Frank & Oak ads
pankkake: eh, this is actually true, loyalty cards just got financially interesting this year
mircea_popescu: they had them since the 80s
mircea_popescu: one of buffett's first businesses was some discount stamp operation.
nubbins`: "Food Minister Felix Osorio said the process was off to a smooth start. He says the system will sound an alarm when it detects suspicious purchasing patterns, ensuring that less-than-honest customers will be beaten to death by the angry mob that surrounds them"
pankkake: stores I go to had like 0.03% savings, now it's 5%
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00095961 = 22.7907 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: pretty lulzy
mircea_popescu: venezuela, set to become first country without inequality. "in our stores, nobody buys nuttin'" one county comissioner stated.
pankkake: lol, no haven't seen
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic you french too ?
Apocalyptic: i have lived in France for a decent time
nubbins`: "maybe if we give EVERYONE a job toting a rifle around a grocery store..."
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 5987463980.93 based on data since last change | 6793092876.89 based on data for last three days
nubbins`: anyway the funny thing about these "sheeple" / "SHTF" websites is that they offer advice that would have been perceived as obvious and sensible a generation or two ago
moiety: nubbins`: I'm free for work....lol
nubbins`: "plant a garden" / "eat local food" / "store long-term food supplies"
ThickAsThieves: ah the GOOG finally split
nubbins`: modern dum-dums read this and say "lel what are you worried about"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` indeed. which is the genius of it, they just copy/paste old almanacs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
nubbins`: yup.
Apocalyptic: pankkake, the declaration has actually been removed from the official website this morning
nubbins`: it's amazing how quickly a society forgets
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
Apocalyptic: just noticed the update, it's so good
rithm: i thought everything bitcoin-related was a scam
nubbins`: rithm it is
rithm: ahh k
nubbins`: bummer, huh?
mircea_popescu: ah come on
mircea_popescu: nubbins` your face's a scam
nubbins`: thestringpuller: "What is replacing the dollar in these U.S. cities and companies? Watch this fuckin video to find out because we can't be bothered to just tell you"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: how else am i supposed to beguile the ladies?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.04265959 = 1.0665 BTC [-] {6}
Asa9: nice cat gif
mircea_popescu: Asa9 now that cat definitely's a scam
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: cat is running a fractional reserve
numerisTrade: /j #ripple
nubbins`: "nonono i totally have a dozen eggs, just come back tomorrow"
mircea_popescu: well... a fractional chicken serve, anyway.
nubbins`: "DID YOUR CITY JUST DUMP THE DOLLAR?"
antephialtic: "Neo&Bee only failed because it wasn't a DAC."
nubbins`: i feel like i should post a link from an alarmist end-of-times website to fit in
mircea_popescu: "our city dump is already overfull. we can't dump no dollar"
mircea_popescu: note the fucking tranny opening cartoon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 25 @ 0.05889992 = 1.4725 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: keep #2, throw out the rest
nubbins`: altho TBF if you're not naturally confident, faking it ain't gonna work
mircea_popescu: confident is not cute.
mircea_popescu: submissive is cute, and that's hard to fake.
mircea_popescu: "Make sure you take a shower,wash your hair, body, feet, etc"
nubbins`: oh, shit, we're going for "cute"
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wonder where in africa is this us of a.
nubbins`: speaking of cute, my wife bought a pair of these insane leggings:
mircea_popescu: "Don't wear some booty shorts that make your butt hang out, low cut shirts, really tight clothing, or sheer clothing. Hanging all your stuff out isn't cute, it's gross. Be modest."
mircea_popescu: apparently, some muslim part of africa at any rate.
nubbins`: "wear floor-length skirts and turtleneck sweaters"
ozbot: Suburban Mom Wows Family With Most Androgynous Look Yet | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
mircea_popescu: how to "accidentally" get shot, a guide. #1 : "Randomly poke him in his stomach, arm, or face. "
mircea_popescu: "Randomly look at him and say you're a flirt. Make sure you sound playfully and sweet. Surely you two will get in a play argument about who is a bigger flirt."
mircea_popescu: ah these wikis are so great.
nubbins`: "AUU MAI GAUUEDDDD AIIM SUCH A FLUUUURRRT"
ozbot: Twitter / aantonooooop: If @Mircea_Popescu is the ...
mircea_popescu: someone made a "fake andreas".
mircea_popescu: question that remains is who the fuck is the real andreas.
mircea_popescu: please stand up.
pankkake: oh that's where the "Neo&Bee only failed because it wasn't a DAC." is from
pankkake: haha it's pure genius
kakobrekla: a digital to analogue converter? i dun get it.
pankkake: Decentralized Autonomous Corporation
nubbins`: hm, considering making a bet about whether HIF will pay a dividend on schedule
kakobrekla: stupid acronym
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla some reddit derps took mpex contracts, threw out most of the good bits [they didn';t understood] and "branded it"
mircea_popescu: now they'll be forever remembered
mircea_popescu: as those reddit derps that tried to name something they stole but not actually understood in a futile attempt to be forever remembered that nevertheless sorta worked
Asa9: omg THE goldstein of bitcoin!
mircea_popescu: for a year or so
Asa9: an honor sir!
kakobrekla: ;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
mircea_popescu: it's not a bad thing to be, tbh. if the choice is that book, the only other option is the chick when young
mircea_popescu: and i dun wanna be a chick, even should she be young.
kakobrekla: ;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user turbo_ac100 has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: so why da fuck does nobody go "omg s.nsa must post pics we do not believe this" ?
asciilifeform: perhaps they were put to sleep by the first set of pics.
asciilifeform: do people even like to look at printed circuits any more?
mircea_popescu: sucks to be me
mircea_popescu: i wish i could be marcel popescu of the forums instead
pankkake: no the only thing that matters is the PCB color
asciilifeform: i'm twirling a brand new one in my fingers now. what a beautiful crystallized piece of civilization this bugger is.
asciilifeform: think of all of the engineering sweat that goes into the tech (not to mention little chinese girls denied toilet breaks)
nubbins`: i base my tech purchases on the amount of pee being held in by the people making the item in question
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0608355 = 1.2167 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: generally this is unknowable so it's been a while since i bought anything new
Asa9: bladder augmentation
mircea_popescu: well here's the pic anyway : http://trilema.com/2014/snsa-march-2014-statement/ (grep for ps)
mircea_popescu: tho you really don't deserve it.
asciilifeform: to be fair, i understand why skeptics don't care much for photos now.
asciilifeform: photo doesn't prove that a widget functions as promised.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you fail miserably your punishment will be to dwell on the forums for two years.
mircea_popescu: guaranteed to change the way you look at ... i dunno, a glass of water.
nubbins`: sexy boards
nubbins`: i can only imagine what lies beneath the sticker
asciilifeform: nubbins`: these are i/o panels.
mircea_popescu: YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO SEE IT S FAKE BY THE PIXELS
mircea_popescu: omfg i need another internet.
asciilifeform: i like how the 'customs inspection' time of this crap is... 10 minutes.
asciilifeform: and yes, the sticker tells the truth, afaik - these came out of the plating baths on 4/1.
nubbins`: have you guys figured out packaging/documentation/instructions/etc for these little beasts yet?
antephialtic: you gotta have today's newspaper in the background of the pic
mircea_popescu: nubbins` not fully.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: ask a fellow who owns a kalashnikov. did it come with instructions?
asciilifeform: 'this side towards enemy'
mircea_popescu: i do think he has a point, we'll have to figure it out
mircea_popescu: even if the figuring ends up being "fu go away"
asciilifeform: in all seriousness, i intend to print 'cardano - design & operation' in dead tree, for a few lucky folks
mircea_popescu: with illustrations
asciilifeform: and commented sources.
mircea_popescu: "cardano, the missing manul" ?
nubbins`: well, y'know kids these days. nice packaging + a couple of "unboxing videos" = more sales
asciilifeform: on the nato side,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you ever seen the landmines ?
mike_c: <kakobrekla> ;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet << for everybody who asks "how to i get wot ratings". here's one way.
mircea_popescu: "this end towards enemy"
asciilifeform: claymore
asciilifeform: russian version, afaik, lacks the helpful tip.
asciilifeform: there it is.
asciilifeform: 'к противнику'
mircea_popescu: potrivnicii hahaha
mircea_popescu: "potrivnic" means opponent in romanian
antephialtic: whoops, didn't see someone had already posted
asciilifeform: what do you know. everything has a manual.
asciilifeform: probably even army spoon.
dignork: toilet paper?
mircea_popescu: "do not chew"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` lol marsellus.
mircea_popescu: i shall be mp aka marsellus goldstein
nubbins`: marsellus popescuus
andreas_: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/emFvrWIk
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asciilifeform: find a silica gel packet that came with electronic parts. mine here is printed: 'do not eat.'
chetty: British Army TP used to say "on her majesties service" on each sheet
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i saw some "do not feed to children"
mircea_popescu: chetty ahahahaah
nubbins`: "do not insert genitals into blender"
mircea_popescu: probably for stress relieving
Asa9: lol
asciilifeform: re: trolls, pcb photos, and skepticism: i'm waiting for the clever idiots. 'you stuffed winblows in there'
mircea_popescu: there's sadly no middle class idiocy. people are either very dumb or passibly smart.
nubbins`: all-black packaging plz
mircea_popescu: i wonder how the hell this works out in practice, it's out and out antistatistical.
nubbins`: classy
asciilifeform: i have this (perhaps false?) memory that the net used to contain clever idiots.
mircea_popescu: i think it may be more of an artefact of your age asciilifeform
asciilifeform: maybe they all OD'd on aol stock in the '90s or something
mircea_popescu: when you were a kid things maybe looked taller.
asciilifeform: possibly.
nubbins`: this is why i don't re-watch movies i enjoyed as a kid
mike_c: some hold up though.
mircea_popescu: i sometimes do, but it's always a debate.
nubbins`: the scattered one, yes
asciilifeform: hilariously, virtually all the folks who read my blog think i must be at least 50y.o.
nubbins`: the dark crystal vs the mask
mircea_popescu: i rewatched jungle book and i was completely underwhelmed
mircea_popescu: (as a kid, i could not understand english, so it was all splendid gibledygook to me)
asciilifeform: russian prison proverb - 'do not return to the place where you had joy'
mike_c: does the dark crystal hold up? i would be nervous to watch again because i loved it as a kid.
nubbins`: mike_c yeah
mircea_popescu: you two may be different people, as a psa.
nubbins`: skeksis are still fucking badass
asciilifeform: could not understand english, so it was all splendid gibledygook to me << that was me, watching american animation on bootled vhs, in '90.
mike_c: heh. awesome
asciilifeform: *bootleg
nubbins`: there's something nice about watching a movie in a language you don't understand, though
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much yeah :D
nubbins`: the first time i saw pan's labyrinth was spanish audio with korean subtitles
rithm: take_my_bitcoins_logo.png trollmode over9000
nubbins`: pankkake so does this mean they're offering refunds...?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` watch spielen wir liebe then.
mircea_popescu: guaranteed trip.
rithm: so NEOBEE or is that yesterday's lolercoaster
mircea_popescu: NewBie shall return! from ashes!
rithm: "people are threatening me everything is mysterious let's be vague on bitscumtalk"
asciilifeform: is there a short/sweet sum-up somewhere of wtf 'neobee' was?
asciilifeform: the way it looks to me, it's replay of 'pirate' ?
kakobrekla: from some guy: > Upon review of your Bitstamp account we have to notify you that your verification documents do not meet our verification standards.
mircea_popescu: bitscumtalk lol
rithm: sonething something ipo physical location cryptocurrency
mircea_popescu: this reminds me of the weird homoerotic teenager party game
kakobrekla: after he has been verified.
nubbins`: asciilifeform the general consensus is that btc flowed from "investors" through tat to neo to cypriot advertisers who kicked back to neo
nubbins`: or something
asciilifeform: was 'neobee' ever more than of 'entomological' interest to thinking folks?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla verifications reverify every fie.
rithm: everything is the same oops your money is gone pirate replay
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform originally it claimed, without substantiation, that it may be. so thinking folks originally reserved judgement
rithm: it's the exit strategy of the world. no accountability
rithm: erm except MPEx tho
rithm: couch couch
rithm: *cough
nubbins`: was just gonna say, nsa/mg are the only btc corps i can think of that didn't immediately blow their fuckin wad on salaries
mircea_popescu: how scandalous this must be.
nubbins`: imagine, startups that are more interested in making things than drawing a fat paycheque
rithm: crqazy talk
mircea_popescu: YOU MUST GROW FAST
rithm: step one is buy the gulfstream
rithm: step two is learn to fly
nubbins`: as owner of a small business, i'm amused by how eager most "companies" in this space are to spend money
nubbins`: pink eye didn't pay out a dime in wages for our first 2 years
nubbins`: even now, it's minimum wage for billable hours only
rithm: step three smile, shake hands, take monies, talk smart <---that's all one step
asciilifeform: i've spent ~2 btc, so far.
nubbins` genuinely applauds alf
Apocalyptic: <nubbins`> as owner of a small business, i'm amused by how eager most "companies" in this space are to spend money << amazes me as well
mircea_popescu: more like 1.6
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10915 @ 0.00010999 = 1.2005 BTC [+] {3}
rithm: step four abscond with monies
rithm: step five $$$
nubbins`: "let's open an office with neon signs and track lighting and wood panelling and GLASS EVERYWHERE"
nubbins`: "we can afford to do this for a couple of weeks"
asciilifeform: to be fair, i did blow $xxxx of lunch money modernizing my bench. but that's not an s.nsa expense item.
nubbins`: aha! so remember those shit plastisol inks that were "donated" to us, and were unusable, and the dump wouldn't take?
nubbins`: convinced the asshole donators to take 'em back
nubbins` cackles
rithm: how about those shiny new GOOGL class C's
VanCleef: goes well with a segway
mircea_popescu: i'd take a two year put on google/bitcoin
mircea_popescu: the problem is that fucking market has no liquidity whatsoever
mircea_popescu: perhaps due to the fact everyone knows fiat is fucked.
rithm: the fungibility of bitcoin decimal units is the only thing that can bail anyone out of trillions in debt
asciilifeform: VanCleef: segway goes well with... cliffs.
asciilifeform: ;;google segway cliff
gribble: Segway tycoon Jimi Heselden dies in cliff plunge on one of his own ...: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315518/Segway-tycoon-Jimi-Heselden-dies-cliff-plunge-scooters.html>; Jimi Heselden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimi_Heselden>; Segway company owner rides scooter off cliff, dies - NBC News: <http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39377851/ns (1 more message)
rithm: i'm counting down the days until zombies myself
rithm: spend a little time each night sharpening my axe
asciilifeform: rithm: everyone knows you sharpen a sapper's spade for zombies, not axe.
rithm: your legs are strong, and you're so, so long and you don't come from this town
mircea_popescu: i wonder if zombies give better head.
rithm: if you use a machete sure
mircea_popescu: seeing how crackheads aren't so bad, and that'd seem the next ogical step
mod6: crackheads have less teef, not sure about zombies.
mircea_popescu: if zombies have teef they're probably a) not theirs and b) lodged in their backs etc.
rithm: mircea_popescu seems like the type to bareback a zombie
rithm: idk
nubbins` blinks
nubbins`: that's a sapper's spade?
nubbins`: i have one of those
nubbins`: it was called a "camping shovel"
mod6: entrenching tool
mod6: many uses
mike_c: rithm: google is learning from mpex :) more non-voting shares!
nubbins`: was always curious about the serrated edge
nubbins`: eventually decided it was for tree roots
mod6: nice asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: buffett actually made the observation sometime in the 80s that their nonvoting shares turned out to be more valuable than their voting shares
mircea_popescu: and starting detaching selling off his voting rights
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the land of the desperate, "Facing the success of Anna Tatu's Valentine banners, we have redesigned them & removed the reference to "Valentine". Now you can use them all year long!"
nubbins`: TATU
nubbins`: sorry, t.A.T.u.
VanCleef: whatever happened to those chicks?
nubbins`: not sure, very popular in korea when i was there
nubbins`: entire discog available in every karaoke room
VanCleef: sickness
asciilifeform: nubbins`: incl. 'yugoslavia' ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` they came of age and so were no longer interesting to pedos ?
nubbins`: asciilifeform that's the one song name i remember
mircea_popescu: they had a "things she said" one, i dun recall the yugoslavia bit
mircea_popescu: not being around at the time.
nubbins`: booze in the grocery store
nubbins`: things you don't see here
mircea_popescu: nubbins` europe is actually free.
ozbot: t.A.T.u. - Yugoslavia - YouTube
asciilifeform: that one.
asciilifeform: (english subs)
nubbins`: mircea_popescu more common here is to have a full liquor store attached to the grocery store
mircea_popescu: "Kochanski’s botched transcripts include the 2010 mortgage-fraud trial of Aaron Hand, who was also convicted of trying to hire a hit man to take out a witness against him."
mircea_popescu: someone should conduct a study of "how many times did the prosecution claim hitman to try and get a tough case past the jury"
asciilifeform: having been on a u.s. jury, i'll say that it ought to be enough to cure anyone of 'rule of law' delusion.
ozbot: Google Maps
nubbins`: ...now that's a link
mircea_popescu: o ? how did it go ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.50703232 BTC to 4`992 shares, 50221 satoshi per share
asciilifeform: it was a petty theft case, long ago. some bugger was evicted from an apartment, and his belongings were carried out by a set of hired hands. one of whom stole a garbage bag full of pron. also containing a (usg-issued) laptop.
jurov: nubbins` here you can see small grocery attached to liquor store instead xD
asciilifeform: the latter had the mandatory bios rootkit, and 'called home'
asciilifeform: but none of this is interesting. the educational bit is how the trials actually go
nubbins`: generally you only see booze and groceries in the same store when you visit rural areas
turbo_ac100: mike_c: well for the first one it seems reasonable to me. Maybe because I don't know too much about WOT :P
asciilifeform: e.g. both sides will stipulate something (said something being obvious crock of shit) to be 'fact' and go from there
nubbins`: altho this varies by province. quebec famously sells wine in gas stations
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's adversarial system with you.
nubbins`: here in newfoundland, every corner store and gas station sells beer, but no wine/booze
asciilifeform: ended in a mistrial, and the next set of jury chumpers naturally won't be told anything, everyone pretends the 1st go never happened, etc.
mircea_popescu: not necessarily anything wrong with it, is there ?
nubbins`: i was an alternate juror once, never ended up being needed
asciilifeform: adversarial system... not necessarily anything wrong with it << i'd rather they skipped straight to trial by chainsaw combat
asciilifeform: same result, more honest, cheaper.
mircea_popescu: no but bear with me a minute.
mircea_popescu: each side stipulates a crock of shit as fact and they go from there.
nubbins`: selection process was interesting. domestic assault trial, defendant turned away every female juror until his limit was up
asciilifeform: ah yes!
mircea_popescu: this seems intellecrtually quite respectable no ?
asciilifeform: voir dire
asciilifeform: it's a circus all its own.
mircea_popescu: i may be the only person here that actually appreciates common law.
asciilifeform: they systematically banish anyone with the slightest inkling of a clue from the room
asciilifeform: i've been to four of these
asciilifeform: one time got picked. they ran out of 'strikes'
nubbins`: it was fun seeing people trying to get out of jury duty
nubbins`: "no b'y i gotta work"
nubbins`: st. john's being a city of less than 200k people, two of the jurors were excused because their sons played soccer with the prosecutor's son
mircea_popescu: "my ex used to date his brother's ex your honor"
asciilifeform: trials were probably more interesting in the days of 'peine forte et dure' etc.
asciilifeform: i'ma ask for me lisp machine to be brought to my peine forte et dure.
mircea_popescu: wywialm best way to figure out wtf atc is is to grep the logs for it.
mike_c: ;;later tell turbo_ac100 i think it is quite reasonable. i was presenting it as a good example of how to get rated.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 447.31, Best ask: 447.34, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 447.31, 24 hour volume: 30559.63876518, 24 hour low: 416.11, 24 hour high: 457.36, 24 hour vwap: 439.818273209
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 314.59764223*439.818273209
gribble: 138365.791761
mircea_popescu: ;;google brk-a
gribble: BRK-A: Summary for Berkshire Hathaway Inc. Common - Yahoo ...: <http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=BRK-A>; Berkshire Hathaway Inc.: NYSE:BRK.A quotes & news - Google ...: <http://www.google.com/finance?cid=4376>; BRKA - Berkshire Hathaway Inc Stock quote - CNNMoney.com: <http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=BRKA>
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 186199.00 / 138365.791761
gribble: 1.34570111319
mircea_popescu: tsk tsk.
mircea_popescu: ahead by 35%
asciilifeform: re: voir dire: it often gets ridiculous. 'who here was a policeman? lawyer? once knew a policeman? once saw a policeman?'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but WHY do you say it's ridiculous ?
bounce: what's wrong with institutions that $person dies, $institution dies is preferrable?
asciilifeform: bounce: nothing is wrong with this. because new caesars can be born.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you should see, with your own eyes, who is left at the end of this procedure.
asciilifeform: i did see - by sheer accident.
bounce: to every ceasar there's a bunch of fscktards and even more mediocre guys holding down the place
mircea_popescu: i have participated
bounce: I don't really see a difference here, except much less continuity
mircea_popescu: on the strategist end of things, ie, picking who to throw off.
asciilifeform: that must've been puddles of fun.
asciilifeform: i assume everyone has seen the 'peoples of walmart' crap. well, that's who gets to sit on the jury.
bounce: wasn't it "a few good men" where the hot shot lawyer guy urged to keep the nigger because of his nicely shined shoes?
bounce: though I may well be misremembering. what a jury needs at a military trial is a bit of fridge logic.
Mats_cd03: "Adversarial system"? Who are you, Scalia?
asciilifeform: fridge logic ?
asciilifeform: and since when does a military trial use a jury ?
bounce: ;;google fridge logic tvtropes
gribble: Main/Fridge Logic - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeLogic>; Main/Fridge Brilliance - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeBrilliance>; Main/Fridge Horror - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeHorror>
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this doesn;t work for your arghument, it works against it.
mircea_popescu: the people of wallmart thing
Mats_cd03: courts martial
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 apparently.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact that the jury is selected for stupidity does not on the face support the theory that the trial is ineffectual.
Mats_cd03: e.g. a flag officer under courts martial gets a jury of his peers (other flag officers - generals)
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 apparently i'm marsellus goldstern scalia.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you did the exact same thing when you made cardano designs : selected the parts for stupidity.
mircea_popescu: well... goose, gander.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63808 @ 0.00096078 = 61.3055 BTC [+] {3}
Mats_cd03: dongsellus dongstern donglia
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is certainly effective for... a purpose. just not the stated one - 'findings of fact'
mircea_popescu: why not ?
mircea_popescu: and it's "findings of fact AS THEY PERTAIN TO THE CASE"
mircea_popescu: it's not an apollo expedition.
Mats_cd03: its my greatest disappointment in life
bounce: who'd find facts in an apollo capsule anyway?
asciilifeform: well over here they also have an interesting legal concept, 'plea bargain'
Mats_cd03: that ill never be able to traverse the stars
asciilifeform: where 99% of the accused plead guilty to some largely-fictional charge
mircea_popescu: plea bargains and juries are not really much related thi
asciilifeform: but they go great together.
mircea_popescu: im not sure i could articulate your thesis atm.
Mats_cd03: asciilifeform: sad stacks, not enough people have the balls to go to trial and prefer to plea
Mats_cd03: you know, game theory, etc etc
bounce: nah. they're more of an extortionate fix to a "justice" system with too many overly vague overly broad criminal laws
Mats_cd03: the average prosecutor can only manage n trials at any time in a jurisdiction
Mats_cd03: the trick is being n+1 when the time comes ;)
mircea_popescu: bounce pretty much.
ozbot: Unraveling the Neo & Bee - Wave of resignations by employees and Mr. Neo disappeared : neobee
mircea_popescu: pankkake i hope you're aware you're engaging in the crime of COMMERCIAL BUSINESS BLACKMAIL
bounce: ie they're a way to wriggle past bill shock (where the bill is the sentence as well as the rest of the cost) while at the same time allowing the "justice" department to show they're worth their money by "producing" convicts
mircea_popescu: convictions.
pankkake: I'm surprised no one ever offered me money to shut up
mircea_popescu: if they could produce convictions without convicts they'd be happiest.
pankkake: threats, but not coins
mircea_popescu: pankkake they were trying to buy the girl over tho...
Apocalyptic: threats are cheap, like air
mircea_popescu: see, if only you had tits..
Apocalyptic: coins on the other hand...
bounce: aaron schwarz is a good illustration where the DoJ deliberately went for it only it backfired. though apparently hasn't backfired enough.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00557205 = 0.1059 BTC [-] {4}
ozbot: S Korea and the runaway drone - Opinion - Al Jazeera English
pankkake: if I was a girl, I would have been a prostitute
mircea_popescu: then you'd have been a "girl you'll be a woman soon".
bounce: hmm... you're saying they're competing with the (commercially run) jail system? :-)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.04178331 = 1.0028 BTC [-] {11}
bounce: no convicts -> empty jails. doesn't appear to be a goal of the system. though it could be, I'll give you that. though not in a country where the culture prescribes conflicts must be about people. a conviction is an outcome of such a conflict.
mircea_popescu: bounce the jail filling is not a goal of the justice dept.
mircea_popescu: other people make that buck.
bounce: who drives it, though? seeing the large amounts of poor held pretty much indefinitely in pre-trial holding cells
mircea_popescu: congress. its the original backbone of pork
mircea_popescu: running a jail was the way to put yourself on the map, see ?
mircea_popescu: all through the 1800s
benkay: o/
bounce: geh. talk about unintended consequences.
mircea_popescu: that entire storyline about how easy the mobsters had it in jail ? well , the jails were run by congressmen which they had elected, and were going to reelect.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the flow of campaign funds has mostly moved, but not entirely. and history is what shapes mechanisms.
bounce: am I correct in presuming the no institutions thing is about ensuring someone takes responsibility?
mircea_popescu: "why is the road here" "because this is the path cows took coming home"
asciilifeform: in wash. d.c., there is a private museaum, 'crime & punishment', with famous electric chairs, etc. they also have a reconstructed example of such a jail cell
mircea_popescu: bounce to a large degree.
bounce: so lingering connections and all that
asciilifeform: looks quite like a '40s hotel room
asciilifeform: complete with escritoire, if i recall.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26090 @ 0.00096355 = 25.139 BTC [+]
bounce: there's prisons much more elaborate than that in latin america. you get to buy-in (and buy-out when you leave) for considerable sums of money, though
Mats_cd03: it gets better
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "suspended sentence" is the proof of the separation between convict and conviction, and the respective beneficiary institutions.
mircea_popescu: the cleavage is pretty deep
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the suspended sentence yielded its own excrescence, the social worker
Mats_cd03: in some places in asia, notably china, its popular for the moneyed to pay others to sit their duration of a prison sentence
mircea_popescu: which had a weak footing but meanwhile anchored itself in family care through the mediation of pseudo-healthcare (ie psychology)
asciilifeform: the town where the courthouse stood (see my recollections about juries previously) was a real laugh:
Mats_cd03: id rob banks for funsies if that was possible
asciilifeform: every other door was a 'bondsman' (lending bail money) or a contractor which sold gps collars
asciilifeform: for 'suspended sentences'
mircea_popescu: all these being counted as part of that "thriving, market economy which made the us great"
mircea_popescu: except they're uneconomical and antimarket.
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: among the chechens, etc. the clan picks a 'youngest son' or whatever to do the time in his brother's place
asciilifeform: or, more generally, some designated luser with no better purpose at the moment.
mircea_popescu: the us has this institution too
asciilifeform: he'll dutifully confess and move in.
mircea_popescu: "designated driver"
mircea_popescu: the schmuck that doesn't drink or have fun so his friends can have sex they don't then have to account for.
mircea_popescu: or moreover... her.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik 'designated drivers' only exist in ministry of health propaganda - the usual reality is that everyone is thoroughly picked, including the drivers
asciilifeform: *pickled
mircea_popescu: well i could argue the same re chechen practice :)
asciilifeform: said propaganda is riotously funny, when you drive by pub after pub with enormous parking lots
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00096095 = 2.4024 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 76 @ 0.05041577 = 3.8316 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.06 = 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 11 @ 0.08799999 = 0.968 BTC [+] {3}
Mats_cd03: riotously funny in the sense that car accidents are amusing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.05415384 = 0.704 BTC [-] {3}
surfcapmgmt: Heavy volume on COG
surfcapmgmt: just resumed trading about an hour ago
kakobrekla: !t h cog
assbot: [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.04899999 / 0.05613435 / 0.08800000 (131 shares, 7.35359994 BTC), 7D: 0.04899999 / 0.05613435 / 0.08800000 (131 shares, 7.35359994 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03278706 / 0.08800000 (1020 shares, 33.44280011 BTC)
kakobrekla: a whole 7 btc.
kakobrekla: heavy shit.
surfcapmgmt: mmm hmmm
Apocalyptic: haha kako
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12794 @ 0.00012477 = 1.5963 BTC [+] {18}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7371 @ 0.00014965 = 1.1031 BTC [+] {16}
surfcapmgmt: !t h AM1
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.55013000 / 0.58130688 / 0.60809900 (80 shares, 46.50455064 BTC), 7D: 0.52200000 / 0.60393113 / 0.67470380 (734 shares, 443.28544940 BTC), 30D: 0.52200000 / 0.6116147 / 0.69510000 (3166 shares, 1936.37213073 BTC)
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust surfcapmgmt
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user surfcapmgmt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=surfcapmgmt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=surfcapmgmt | Rated since: never
pankkake: I believe it's "idiot deluxe"
bounce: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/mobile-payments-service-to-launch-this-month-9232906.html -- contrast with that other mobile payment thing, where the registration works the other way around
ozbot: Mobile payments service to launch this month - Business News - Business - The Independent
kakobrekla: yeah pankkake it seems so
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100101 @ 0.0001681 = 16.827 BTC [+] {48}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 31869 @ 0.00017159 = 5.4684 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0607 = 0.3035 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 18118 @ 0.00019999 = 3.6234 BTC [+]
pLambert: mircea_popescu: I just tried to post a comment on trilema, it says it only accepts comments from humans, what did I do wrong?
antephialtic: tor exit node?
mircea_popescu: either an old cached page or too quick post ?
mircea_popescu: tor dun do anything.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.039 = 0.819 BTC [+]
dignork: pLambert, there is a capcha on a page, did you solve it?
surfcapmgmt: !t h COG
assbot: [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.01700007 / 0.05333935 / 0.08800000 (155 shares, 8.26760000 BTC), 7D: 0.01700007 / 0.05333935 / 0.08800000 (155 shares, 8.26760000 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03290881 / 0.08800000 (1044 shares, 34.35680017 BTC)
pLambert: hmm, didn't see a captcha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 14 @ 0.02534213 = 0.3548 BTC [-] {8}
benkay: surfcapmgmt: welcome to -assets.
pLambert: I don't see any captcha, oh well, I guess you will never see my deeply insightful comment :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0428 = 0.642 BTC [-]
jurov: pLambert: just reload and retry
pLambert: basically, I was saying I look forward to a Hillary/M Obama vs Rand Paul/Justin Amash debate. in many more words
pLambert: reloaded, still don't see any captcha
jurov: i don't remember any captcha, just retrying usually works
the20year2: amash would be a great choice
antephialtic: hahaha. if you think rand paul (if he ever gets nominated, which is unlikely but not entirely impossible) would nominate amash you are deluded.
benkay: clinton + warren?
antephialtic: nah, clinton won't want someone who will make her look conservative in comparison
pLambert: amash will just barely be old enough, born in 1980
mircea_popescu: pLambert there's no captcha tho
pLambert: then why does it think i am inhuman?
mircea_popescu: just try again, but make sure you use a fresh copy of a page, and count to 5 before submitting
pLambert: meh, I am over it now
antephialtic: rand paul's VP would be a safe establishment pick. Something like paul ryan. Maybe even John McCain
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema antispam
gribble: Noiembrie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/11>; Orice cuplu functional… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/orice-cuplu-functional>; Mai 2009 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2009/05>
pLambert: blech, I hate McCain
antephialtic: hillary would pick a white dude. someone from the midwest or south.
ozbot: Effectual spam filtering for WordPress pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pLambert: I don't think Paul is going to pick a VP who has a record of calling him a "wacko bird"
mircea_popescu: there, it's explained how it works..
antephialtic: well I don't think paul will get nominated so it doesn't matter. I like paul as much as the next guy, but the big money republicans don't like him even if the tea party libertarian set does
mircea_popescu: and the republican vote is going to be split no matter what. the old reps have no actual incentive to submit to the tea party, even if the party ends with them. the tea party has zero incentive to "work through the system"
mircea_popescu: so anyone the democrats propose gets it in 2016.
antephialtic: but: democrats are looking like they might get crushed in the midterms
mircea_popescu: congress and presidency, different things.
mircea_popescu: theres going to be a landslide dem president with a 2/3+ teaparty majority house and senate
mircea_popescu: then congress gets written out of politics and merriment ensues.
antephialtic: yes, but important for future of US. more divided government = more unproductive petty politics, more kicking the big problems down the road, less stability, US bonds get downgraded again, yadda yadda yadda
mircea_popescu: nah, that's how it worked till now.
mircea_popescu: things are going to come to a head tho, much like venezuela's internal debate.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.042805 = 0.1712 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: pLambert see that time it worked.
mircea_popescu: you probably wrote your thing in a notepad then pasted it in and submitted. that's 90% of what makes legitimate folks get called inhuman.
pLambert: hmm, not sure why it didn't work before, I had follwed a link out of the -asset logs, would that affect anything?
pLambert: no notepad, I just typed into the comment field
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05939442 = 0.1188 BTC [+]
pLambert: The other thing I wanted to mention is when you villify old women, that should be directed at selfish haggy types and not selfless grandmotherly types.
pLambert: but you can probably find a nice dichotomy in any group using selfish/selfless criterion
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05939442 = 0.1188 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0428 = 0.214 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 26 @ 0.00602307 = 0.1566 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0428 = 0.1284 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: pLambert odd. nah link shouldn't have affected nuttin
mircea_popescu: btw kakobrekla would you consider changing log link structure from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2014 to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/02-Apr-2014/ or something and adding a xml sitemap for google so that it index it all anbd you dont have to implement asearch button ?
mircea_popescu: pLambert not that many grandmothers in politics which was the general context
mircea_popescu: not sure the dichotomy is altruism either.
pLambert: right, your point is correct, people who end up as nice grandmothers spend to much time raising children to rise in politics
mircea_popescu: macbeth, the prototype, is not discussable in those terms for instance
pLambert: macbeth is the prototype of what?
mircea_popescu: the haggly political woman.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58999002 BTC [-]
pLambert: I don't follow?
mircea_popescu: you seen the play ?
mike_c: google indexes the logs. i search them all the time
pLambert: yes, I saw MacBeth, but it was a long time ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 59 @ 0.01118777 = 0.6601 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: so take the lady out sometime, it's still a great play.
mike_c: ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com neobee
gribble: NEXT: 24-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2014>; NEXT: 21-09-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2013>; NEXT: 25-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2014>
mircea_popescu: fuck me google much progressed. i stand corrected.
pankkake: sitemaps allow for perfect and fast indexing though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 18 @ 0.00773887 = 0.1393 BTC [-] {3}
pLambert: Just went out last weekend to see Les Mis, all local talent, was much better singing than the hollywood movie last year.
pankkake: http://i.imgur.com/h5xi9KL.jpg too bad I can't change my avatar
pLambert: anyway, how does MacBeth relate to anything?
mircea_popescu: well how am i going to explain that if you don't know the play ;/
asciilifeform: pankkake: is that... turdmeister?
pankkake: yeah
pLambert: I remember the general plot
mircea_popescu: so tell it to me
truffles: just post him a google link dood
bounce: what, you're modeling your NWO on shakespeare plays without knowing the plot?
pLambert: iirc, macbeth tries to take over scotland, everybody dies in the end
mircea_popescu: yea, i'm hoping assets makes the cliffnotes for me o.O
mircea_popescu: pLambert well that's not much.
mircea_popescu: "Stop up th’ access and passage to remorse,"
mircea_popescu: that stuff.
truffles: he dies thats plenty
Urushiol: any word on HIF dividends / earnings yet? If I understand correctly, it should be more than 3 months' worth.
pLambert: wikipedia "Consumed by ambition and spurred to action by his wife, Macbeth murders King Duncan and takes the throne for himself. He is then wracked with guilt and paranoia, and he soon becomes a tyrannical ruler as he is forced to commit more and more murders to protect himself from enmity and suspicion. The bloodbath and consequent civil war swiftly take Macbeth and Lady Macbeth into the realms of arrogance, madness, and dea
mircea_popescu: Urushiol we're awaiting it with bated breath
truffles claps
mike_c: asciilifeform: i believe i've heard you talk about this before, but i can't remember the specifics. If I generated and published say 20,000 adddresses out of a single wallet do you think I am leaking anything that would significantly hurt the security of that wallet?
mircea_popescu: pLambert not the guy. his wife.
pLambert: basically what I said
benkay`: mike_c: what is a wallet?
mircea_popescu: lady macbeth dood, we're discussing women in politics here.
asciilifeform: mike_c: if you do this, you will live or die by your RNG.
pLambert: his wife starts the murders, pushes him into action
mike_c: sorry, a specific set of keys
asciilifeform: mike_c: see the android btc wallet incident.
pLambert: so, she is trying to take scotland for her family, therefore selfish and fit for politics rather than grandmothering, so my point stands
mike_c: i remember that, i'll dig it up. thanks.
asciilifeform: incidentally
asciilifeform: all public-key crypto lives and dies by rng
asciilifeform: not only, as commonly supposed, for key gen
pLambert: HIF guy said report should be out by 10th
mircea_popescu: pLambert or conversely, she is trying to promote her hubby, so selfless and your point fails.
asciilifeform: but for signature nonces
mircea_popescu: kinda what happens when you try to measure things by orthogonal measures.
mircea_popescu: "how thick is a width of a meter ?" "dude dunno, as thick as the wind blowing may make it seem. otherwise, it's wide"
Urushiol: mircea_popescu: what I find particularly surprising is that it wasn't calculated by the community already, given volume is available through the API
mircea_popescu: Urushiol "community" is made out of law specialists not math specialists :D
asciilifeform: and not only signature, but small bits of encryption as well. anyone who doesn't grasp this mustn't wait, but open a textbook and work out what happens if you rsa a small bit of whatever, without padding.
mircea_popescu: ;;google are you the brain specialist
gribble: Monty Python - Gumby Brain Specialist - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M68GeL8PafE>; Gumby brain specialist - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrjHKMJTh1w>; Monty Python - Brain Surgery - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUMuZY5Bt34>
mike_c: bitbet has certainly published a lot of their addresses by now. hopefully they have good RNG!
pLambert: asciilifeform: I don't think you can just take volume, who knows how much they will take out for expenses?
asciilifeform: volume?
asciilifeform: i think i missed something
Urushiol: mircea_popescu: it would require coding specialists mostly, which we have already. just get volume for each fund in that time frame and apply HIF's percentage returns. I haven't finished my Python quite yet, otherwise I would attack it.
Urushiol: pLambert: it will give you a max though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13533 @ 0.00096365 = 13.0411 BTC [+] {2}
Urushiol: and take their projected expenses as assumptions
pLambert: yes, right. so what is that amount?
Urushiol: I believe it's in the prospectus, no? It was months ago that I read it last so I can't recall for certain.
pLambert: oops, should have responded to Urushol, not asciilifeform
Urushiol: that's what I thought you meant.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.042899 = 0.1716 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i think two unrelated convos became cojoined at the hip here
pLambert: isn't that how irc is supposed to work?
Urushiol: purple, I think
truffles: ofc not, chat rooms arent meant to have conversations..
mircea_popescu: irc i dunno, but science often does.
asciilifeform: wtf is a 'coding specialist' - like a programmer, but moar fashion?
asciilifeform: (perhaps i ought to know better than to ask such questions...)
truffles: sounds like some1 that knows all about "coding"
asciilifeform: feels a little like the '90s american fashion of calling janitor 'building engineer'
truffles: no wai
truffles: harsh comparison sir
mircea_popescu: was a hooker called a "slime technician" ?
asciilifeform: i've actually seen people describe employing 'programmers' and 'coders' both
asciilifeform: the latter usually referring to a 'human compiler'
truffles: haha
truffles: machines eh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 42 @ 0.0075 = 0.315 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: a human compiler is a kind of wretch, usually overseas, who is nominally paid to turn 'human' language spec into a program.
asciilifeform: the results, for those who have not witnessed this personally, are usually exactly what one would expect.
mircea_popescu: sounds a lot like elance or w/e
asciilifeform: int add1(int x) {if (x == 1) 2 ....
asciilifeform: this is one of those things where i can't help but think that anyone who pays for it - deserves what he gets
truffles: well it seems like lotta nerds with IT degrees appear robotic so
truffles: obv employers get confused :D
ozbot: Bitstamp going paranoid about ID verification
kakobrekla: lel, moar of this.
asciilifeform: 'submit a high resolution image of yourself holding your ID' << anyone else reminded of '419 baiting' ?
truffles: bitcoin is like banking now os?
asciilifeform: or, for that matter, arsecoin
mircea_popescu: yeah lol
Namworld: I know about Bitstamp verifications... it's lulzy. They ask for more dox than the government itself or banks.
Namworld: Soon they'll ask for blood samples.
mircea_popescu: there's an excellent point about fraud management made by an actual competent person long ago
ozbot: Adnotated words of wisdom on the topic of online fraud pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: obviously clueless kids left to reproduce irl the emperor of flies circus going on in their head wouldn't know about it.
Namworld: Too much fraud management = zero actual customers, all fraudsters with fake docs?
bounce: "congress gets written out of politics" how?
mircea_popescu: Legitimate Customers
mircea_popescu: You can’t stop all fraud. Some will get through your defenses. Currency exchange profit margins are too narrow to absorb much of it, so you need a healthy legitimate customer base across whom you can distribute those costs. As chargebacks come in, it’s tempting to focus entirely on eliminating fraud. Unfortunately, that focus inconveniences legitimate customers so much that they go elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: bounce presidential order.
bounce: "coding specialist" is someone who knows about "line coding" and such. more or less what the w3c tried (and inevitably failed) to conveniently can with xml
bounce: you know, discering a signal, framing, all that jazz
bounce: presidential order kicking out congress? that's going to be some riot.
mircea_popescu: congress lost most legislative power already, gradually.
benkay```: most likely it'll start small with some executive order overriding some congressional mandate.
benkay```: wow how'd i get to three tacks
benkay```: internet is wacky today
mircea_popescu: recently they tried to enforce the power of the purse and were made a mockery of for it.
mircea_popescu: not even the point that it failed, their attempt, but congressional dignity proved an empty word.
mircea_popescu: that was a test, it was failed, congress is going away.
mircea_popescu: the only way out was toi have obama hung for the crows to peck at for two months, on capitol hill.
mircea_popescu: admittedly a bar too high.
pLambert: bounce: already the president makes executive orders to do whatever he wants
bounce: not too much on the promises made though
bounce: that deliberate then?
pLambert: promises? you mean the things Obama said he would do, and then didn't do even though he clearly has the authority to do them already?
bounce: I s'pose nobody cared since he got re-elected regardless. oh well.
mircea_popescu: but seriously, i tell you you can't have a new car and you close down the fucking parks in response ?
mircea_popescu: that's it, you can't have electricity anymore either.
mircea_popescu: complete defunding of everything starting right now.
mircea_popescu: no secret service, no airforce one, no white house. go check into an 8ball motel.
mircea_popescu: think it through.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00096371 = 7.7097 BTC [+]
bounce apparently (well, generally ignoring the drama over there) haven't kept up enough to see that
bounce: s/ven/sn/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3680 @ 0.00016748 = 0.6163 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: o yeah, which reminds me, how is ven, the revolutionary currency of the internet nefario discovered somewhere ?
ozbot: VEN / EUR (VEN/EUR) price chart, 10-days, Kraken
Namworld: Ah yes, this point about too much security/regulation is excellent.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0421 = 0.2526 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla aha! i wish i remembered what it was supposed to be trading for back in 2012
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 110 @ 0.00386208 = 0.4248 BTC [-] {7}
dexx: Apocalyptic: what's up with bitcoinstrings.com?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0594 = 0.1782 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: kraken will trade you dead grandmother if the logo is nice.
Apocalyptic: dexx, why would I know ?
dexx: isn't this your website? and nvm: it's back up for me now
Apocalyptic: it's not
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.041899 = 0.6285 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury signifying nothing."
mircea_popescu: ah the guy's so good.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0416 = 0.2496 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: [WTS] 1981 DeLorean DMC-12
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00096129 = 14.0829 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0594 = 0.1188 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.0009616 = 16.0587 BTC [+]
pLambert: "Rejection reason: If you're going to play the cool internet cat, go get some BTC, then submit your retardation with paid wager." How much do you need to bet to get a bitbet accepted?
nubbins`: depends
nubbins`: what was your bet?
benkay```: Mircea Popescu will be arrested and extradited to the US in 2014
benkay```: Rejection reason: If you're going to play the cool internet cat, go get some BTC, then submit your retardation with paid wager.
benkay```: ^^ nubbins`
pankkake: first time I see such rejection
pankkake: I like this bet
nubbins`: pLambert "Consider submitting with substantial paid wager" is a common rejection reason. not sure if there's a cut-and-dry minimum, but i've seen bets with 0.0x btc on either side
pLambert: I thought the guys at bitcointalk who are so sure MP is going to get dragged across the ocean would like to put some money on it?
TomServo: haha, Pussy Riot publicly beaten on video by July 25, 2014
TomServo: Didn't that actually happen?
pLambert: I don't think they allow bets about people getting hurt or killed?
nubbins`: TomServo yes
nubbins`: bunch of cossacks whipped them with knotted ropes
nubbins`: pLambert ah, too true
pankkake: yeah but the tough bitcointalk guys don't bet
mircea_popescu: pLambert bitbet charges 1% of the pool, and puts .1 btc on the new bets.
nubbins`: someone could just put 100btc on yes and then fly to russia and beat the shit out of them
mircea_popescu: thus if submitter places a 10btc bet he is in effect going "i'm not tryin' to mooch ya"
mircea_popescu: and there was some derpage about s.mpoe falling on the forum if i recall
mircea_popescu: turned out the guy's budget was maybe .1 or something like that.
nubbins`: pLambert: also, the btctalk crowd who would love to see MP extradited also probably would never send a single satoshi to bitbet, purely on principle
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, it'd totally be the principle :p
nubbins`: i'm being diplomatic ;D
mircea_popescu: reminds me of the principled 20somethings that are on a diet
mircea_popescu: the incidental that they can't afford food anyway notwithstanding
nubbins`: heh.
mircea_popescu: tis a matter of principle.
pankkake: it's not that they don't have the funds, I've offered very small bets. it's that they don't even believe themselves
pLambert: but it might be useful to bet on yes, cause who knows what will happen to mpex investments if mp gets arrested, sort of a hedge?
mircea_popescu: "mp arrested for the crime of being mean to forum dwellers and bureaucrats"
mircea_popescu: sounds like a ton of publicity.
nubbins`: pLambert expound plz
mircea_popescu: while he does i wanna pontificate on the following theme :
pLambert: well, say you have some shares of s.mpoe. If mp gets arrested, their price will go down, I think. so if you bet that mp will get arrested, it will offset the loss from your shares?
mircea_popescu: since about the 90s or so, basic us education has been filtering quite perversely : you get an a or a+ for succeeding at the task, usually an a or rarely a b "for effort" by delivering a credible simulacra of having tried, and an f or rarely a c for actually trying and failing.
nubbins`: well you're making some assumptions there
nubbins`: namely that bitbet would continue to function
mircea_popescu: this has resulted in a generationful of people who can do nothing but and nothing other than "convincingly" trying.
pLambert: heh, good point. I assume it will function without mp?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu the true horror of this situation won't be realized for another few decades
mircea_popescu: pLambert if one then why not the other as well ?
nubbins`: conversely, if not mpoe, why not bitbet?
pLambert: failling and shares dropping are not exactly the same
mircea_popescu: nubbins` indeed. i routinely meet 20somethings who have not actually tried ANYTHING the past decade.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0607 = 0.3642 BTC [-]
nubbins`: mircea_popescu trying things isn't required. i have a CS degree even though i only made two working programs during the course of my degree
nubbins`: had to teach myself, essentially from scratch
pankkake: two *working* programs? that's better than most
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, as far as the forum is concerned, having made that bet proposition is good enough.
mircea_popescu: even if the world laughs at them, they've... tried.
jborkl: mircea, to go along with your point - I send my kids to private school 6 and 4 years old. The 6 year old can do algebra, multiplication, read, write and knows some of the periodic table < public school peers are very far behind
mircea_popescu: i believe you.
mircea_popescu: where's this ?
nubbins`: all childs left behind
mircea_popescu: nubbins` exactly like venezuela, you knoiw ? "we've reduced inequality, everyone has the same amt of toilet paper now"
nubbins`: pLambert: so mp gets rendered, bitbet.us shows a DoJ logo. what now?
jborkl: Texas, the state has a robin hood theory
jborkl: to take from wealthy districts to prop up the poor
nubbins`: mircea_popescu "if you don't have enough toilet paper feel free to use the barrel of this rifle"
mircea_popescu: bitbet2.us pops up.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu stop stealing answers ;(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06059002 = 1.2118 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: tbh seizing domains is such a non-problem
mircea_popescu: no but this is the beauty of it. bitbet is... well... public.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing to steal.
nubbins`: i mean, look at the pirate bay. most reviled website in history
mircea_popescu: redirect it all you want, tomorrow any one of you can host it just as well.
nubbins`: still standing 11 years later
bounce: it is a problem if, say, kansas or ohio judges order domains seized from overseas companies that do things perfectly legal there
mircea_popescu: did they updarte it ?
mircea_popescu: i recall that page was hilarious a decade ago
pankkake: I don't think there's new stuff
nubbins`: bounce: it's a .us domain, they can do what they want with it :P
pankkake: TPB isn't such a high profile target anymore too
nubbins`: that said, who cares what TLD is used
bounce: (relatedly, peeps getting into a right tizzy for having their .ly domains rescinded because they're clearly against the local customs in .ly)
nubbins`: pankkake mostly because they realized they were trying to box the wind
nubbins`: doesn't quite matter how good your left hook is, y'know?
mircea_popescu: pankkake what's strangest to my eyes, really, is that in 2004 the attitude of piratebay was directly obvious to the average net denizen.
nubbins`: ;;google .ly tld
gribble: .ly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ly>; NIC.LY - Libya ccTLD...: <http://www.nic.ly/>; ly Domains - International Domain Registration: <http://www.101domain.com/ly.htm>
bounce: 'twas .com and .net, IIRC. those aren't supposed to be ".us", it was just that the registrar is conveniently a us company
nubbins`: libya!
mircea_popescu: today, the attitude of tardstalk is quite the opposite
mircea_popescu: what a coupla bad us presidents do to the world.
pankkake: maybe money is the root of all evil
mircea_popescu: either that or lazy stupidity.
nubbins`: the root of money is the root of all evil
bounce: what's that say about the bunch that breathe the "follow the money" mantra and came up with AML?
nubbins`: might as well take it to brass tacks
Mats_cd03: my dong is the root of all evil
truffles: parasites arent that lazi for sure
nubbins`: Mats_cd03 is that because it's the size of a stack of dimes?
pankkake: nubbins`: yes, this as been tpb's strategy too: it DECENTRALIZED itself!!!
nubbins` cackles
nubbins`: ;;google jumpin jesus tonight
gribble: 'Jumping Jesus' snowbound video prompts worldwide laughs ... - CBC: <http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/jumping-jesus-snowbound-video-prompts-worldwide-laughs-1.2596691>; Canadian has a typical 'Irish mammy' reaction to her son getting ...: <http://www.dailyedge.ie/man-stuck-in-snow-irish-mammy-response-1394349-Apr2014/>; 'Jumping Jesus' snowbound video prompts (1 more message)
Mats_cd03: its also the same thickness
nubbins`: ^ apparently this has caused quite the international stir
nubbins`: if you wanna hear a thick newfoundland accent, that's as good a place as any to start
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 106 @ 0.00556115 = 0.5895 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: MUDDER I'M STUCK
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31274 @ 0.00096001 = 30.0234 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45426 @ 0.00095819 = 43.5267 BTC [-] {2}
truffles: ^^ best quit message 3>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0599 = 0.1797 BTC [+]
nubbins`: ehhh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00562121 = 0.1293 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: not even a good one-off quip
nubbins`: let alone something that gets cummed out every time you quit irc
Mats_cd03: ur so dirty
nubbins`: imagine the unfiltered version
Duffer1: Mircea Popescu i believe a Clinton/Warren ticket would be far more likely
Duffer1: er mircea_popescu ^
mircea_popescu: jack warrem ? which warren ?
Duffer1: elizabeth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.0009616 = 8.0294 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.10144642 = 0.5072 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0599 = 0.1198 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0599999 = 0.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0599999 = 0.3 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: it would amuse me to see that
Mats_cd03: but unlikely
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06050004 = 0.121 BTC [-]
nubbins`: heh, good find
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.60799998 = 1.216 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.608099 = 2.4324 BTC [+]
dexx: ^ kinda disturbing
Namworld: Yes. But hilarious.
truffles: awww
truffles: at least my pet wouldnt try that with something that small
truffles: plastic bags for sure though
CheckDavid: That's abuse
kakobrekla: lelzy
ozbot: I'm done with Bitcoin Securities...
danielpbarron: lol, there is too regulation; individuals are just so desperate to get-rich-quick that they overlook obvious scams in a rush to beat everyone else into the early adopter position
mike_c: of course now neo was an "easily identifiable scam"
kakobrekla: yes naturally.
dexx: inb4: "it's not a scam but a failed business"
danielpbarron: it's hard to tell the difference; might as well be the same thing
pankkake: "Until we have decentralized exchanges with open source software"
pankkake: can we have decentralized scam victims already so this stops
dexx: well, decentralized exchanges reduce the risk of a scamming exchange, but that's all
danielpbarron: i think there will be a resurgence of scams once the decentralized exchanges go totally live
pankkake: yes, that's all. interestingly, cryptostocks… is still here
danielpbarron: "The SEC is investigating all of the above" <--- not ready for Bitcoin; go home
truffles: i am home bro
dexx: maybe it would be more accurate to say "we need decentralized companies to end the scams"
danielpbarron: "bitcoin mining is also a scam" lolol... that's a pretty broad statement
danielpbarron: if you decentralize it far enough, might as well all keep our own money and not invest
danielpbarron: I mean that's the logical extreme and it completely defeats the purpose of investing
dexx: what's the relation between decentralization and keeping the money?
dexx: what i meant was something like.. say there are 10 people each with 100 btc each.. all coins are sent to a 5-of-10 multisig address. with >= 50 % consensus a business decision is sealed. << for the sake of an example
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608099 BTC [+]
mgio_: mining is not excatly a scam, but roughly 3/4s of the companies selling hardware have ben shown to not be reputable
danielpbarron: what ever happened to BFL?
danielpbarron: i see they are still selling pre-orders
mgio_: very few people have done better mining when measured by bitcoins in, bitcoisn out
dexx: if i may ask: why did the sec call you?
dexx: you in particular
dexx: and fyi: they called korbman out of the blue, too
the20year2: who was called by the SEC?
mgio_: They called to talk about bitfunder and weexchange
the20year2: Interesting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00096371 = 14.0702 BTC [+]
dexx: nono.. i mean, do you have any idea why they choose you? and when was that?
danielpbarron: I wouldn't talk to them
mgio_: They called back in November
the20year2: And here I am, chugging along buying houses with bitcoin
mgio_: and then I talked to them again recently
mgio_: they chose me cause I posted on the forums and was easy to track down, I assume
danielpbarron: i think the two most valuable investments in Bitcoin are bitcoins and knowledge/networking
dexx: ah
dexx: how can i invest in knowledge? ;)
danielpbarron: read about all the scams
mgio_: they wouldn't give me much information other than there was an ongoing investigation
danielpbarron: without participating in any of them
danielpbarron: most of the bitcoiners have no idea how money works on these scales
mgio_: i really expected more from neo & bee.
danielpbarron: haphazerdly slapping terrible business plans together and actually finding investors
dexx: mgio_: i didn't expect it either
danielpbarron: you could spend a solid week just reading all the forum posts about all the scams, although I particularly like mircea_popescu's writing on the subject
mgio_: im shocked that people still invest at all anymore. if you couldn't trust the exchange with your money (bitfunder) then how could you trust any of the securities it was peddling?
the20year2: I'm curious of that too
danielpbarron: there are still places to invest bitcoin that aren't scams.. they just aren't begging for investors
mgio_: like what?
danielpbarron: idk do your own research on it
mgio_: well, i'll all done with it for now
danielpbarron: stop following whatever the trend-of-the-week is
mgio_: i invested in neo&bee when it was first announced, i used my xbond shares
danielpbarron: if you follow the crowd, you'll usually end up buying after the pump and selling after the dump
mgio_: i realized it was a long term investment
dexx: is it a confirmed scam now?
dexx: well, i guess insolvency implies that
danielpbarron: i read one this morning about a noob who didn't realize he was shorting bitcoin.... right before the price spike......
mgio_: Neo & bee wasn't necessarily, but they aren't too very well right now
mgio_: they must have been very mismanaged to suddenly run out of money without warning
the20year2: I want to know why they had money in gox
mgio_: they didn't
mgio_: the CEO had some personal funds there
the20year2: Danny said he did
mgio_: yes, his own coins
the20year2: and that he was covering the exchange with his own personal coins
mgio_: Neo lost money from bitfunder/weexchange
danielpbarron: i've heard that story
truffles wonders if this is how rumors start
mgio_: thats a whole different story, where did that money go?
dexx: very good question
the20year2: I'm curious too
mgio_: who knows, ukyo will never tell us :)
Duffer1: indeed
mgio_: and won't even tell us why he won't tell us
the20year2: We've already published our expense spreadsheet to investors, i'm curious how many other bitcoin companies do that too
truffles: feds took everything ldo
danielpbarron: as many legit ones as there are
danielpbarron: maybe a lot of these scams will go away when nLockTime and multisig addresses go mainstream
mgio_: people are begging me to delete that thread. As if i could harm Neo&Bee any more :(
danielpbarron: there is no excuse for not keeping your funds under your own control
dexx: danielpbarron: these things and clever stuff is out since at least 2012
danielpbarron: yeah but they haven't been implemented in many wallet programs yet
dexx: yes
danielpbarron: i know greenaddress.it uses nLockTime
ozbot: Trusted Coin
mgio_: I guess there is a slim chance i'll see some money from ukyo.loan...a slim chance neo&bee will get it's act together...
dexx: i hope it didn't break you, mgio_
Duffer1: are you part of the labcoin action mgio?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00096311 = 2.9375 BTC [-]
jurov: mgio_ you forgot mtgox
mircea_popescu: ok that one is epic Namworld
mgio_: yes, I am Duffer1, but I never got around to sending in all my information
mgio_: I hope its not too late
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> of course now neo was an "easily identifiable scam" << butofcourse :D
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> can we have decentralized scam victims already so this stops << ahahaha best log of the week today
Duffer1: mgio_ talk to virtuals on irc or virtualspade on bitcointalk.org he's handling all that
mircea_popescu: o hai mgio_
mircea_popescu: had you started reading here instead of derping on the "investor" forum you'd be a millionaire today.
mircea_popescu: just think!
mgio_: don't get me wrong, i've still done very very well off of bitcoin (and some securities)
mgio_: it just seems to all gone to sh*t recently
mircea_popescu: not moreso than per usual.
mgio_: i should have been content to just let my coins sit in my wallet
mircea_popescu: <dexx> how can i invest in knowledge? ;) << trilema credits :D
mircea_popescu: i think you already have those tho, so all invested.
dexx: haha true
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron don't forget the part where they fight EVIL FUDSTERS and my socks.
dexx: yes, i have a few :)
danielpbarron: yeah i bought some credits; that's a really cool system
mircea_popescu: "And the more you scam, the more fanboys you get - it's not that there is no incentive to be honest, it's that there is an incentive to be dishonest." methinks pankkake has it.
mircea_popescu: the way scammers work these days, they steal a little from a lot of muppets then give them a little of it back in exchange for forum shilling
pankkake: I need to be banned
mircea_popescu: apparently works wunderbar
pankkake: I will never stop otherwise
mircea_popescu: mgio_ there is recourse re the miner stuff. just, you didn't bother reading about it.
danielpbarron: a lot of the bitcoin media networks are helping promote the scammers; like letstalkbitcoin, they were giving coverage to AuroraCoin recently... that's woefully irresponsible of them
jurov: danielpbarron: because it's the same people
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron letstalkbitcoin are a buncha clueless kids.
danielpbarron: well they are a major gateway
mircea_popescu: max keiser & stacy herbert were doing the same thing, which is a lot worse.
mircea_popescu: major my foot.
danielpbarron: well you can get their news on iTunes; that's a huge market
danielpbarron: most individuals don't know what IRC is
mircea_popescu: most individuals aren't a "market".
jurov: i'm curious why the effects apply only on mining hardware
jurov: i was running on cardano bet and nobody came
mike_c: exactly :) the provider wasn't confident.
mgio_: what would you guys do if you were me, re ukyo.loan?
dexx: cardano.. the gpg thingy which was scheduled for xmas 2013? <.<"
mike_c: plus, no money was lost by pre-orderers when cardano slipped
jurov: maybe it was xmas 2014?
dexx: hehe
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> plus, no money was lost by pre-orderers when cardano slipped << prolly th bigger factor. not much to hedge.
jurov: should have made bet on trezor instead
jurov: now it's too late
mike_c: even still. with miners the pre-orderers are actually losing money every day it is late.
mircea_popescu: lmao wait, ognasty thinks neo was an "easily spottable" scam ?
mircea_popescu: bwahaha save me mary.
dexx: he probably generalized
dexx: scam = labcoin = neo
mircea_popescu: dude is running a scam.
dexx: oh?
mircea_popescu: spotted like... a year ago or so.
dexx: ;;google ognasty trilema
gribble: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: well i didn't trilema each and every single one of them
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com ognasty scam
gribble: NEXT: 23-01-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2014&bots=true>; NEXT: 08-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014>; NEXT: 30-08-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2013>
mircea_popescu: nothing much there either.
mgio_: so wiat, we are all just a bunch of scammers scamming each other?
mircea_popescu: who's "we" ?
mgio_: all of us (i was kidding)
mike_c: if we == forum_users: print "yes"
mgio_: everyone who posts on the forums has some kind of hidden motivation
mgio_: yes
mircea_popescu: well there were a few silly people still posting there without trying to scam, but they';re quickly disappearing
nubbins`: fuck this, i'm getting drunk and listening to blood on the tracks
dexx: hehe looks like no one noticed
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 446.0, Best ask: 448.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.00000, Last trade: 446.0, 24 hour volume: 27538.79141599, 24 hour low: 416.11, 24 hour high: 465.0, 24 hour vwap: 0
mgio_: has everyone tried the bitcoin simulator? http://www.beepboopbitcoin.com
mgio_: its really pretty accurate
mircea_popescu: mgio_ never seen that before. who made it ?
mgio_: i dunno, someone posted it on my facebook wall yesterday
mgio_: its hilarious, play all the way through
ozbot: Advanced Bitcoin Simulator
mircea_popescu: Your account has a balance of 783.06 USD.
mircea_popescu: im liek getting rich over here.
nubbins`: quick, cash out
mircea_popescu: Dear tacoX Customers,
mircea_popescu: In the event of recent news reports and the potential repercussions on tacoX's operations and the market, a decision was taken to shut down and keep all your money. We will be closely monitoring the situation and will react accordingly.
mircea_popescu: lol i had like 50 btc out of the 1 i had originally made.
dexx: lol
bounce: before that it says "withdrawals will take up to 22 months"
mircea_popescu: Accomplished:
mircea_popescu: Anonymous Cryptocurrency
mircea_popescu: Gave sensitive personal information to someone you don't know
mircea_popescu: Twenty-One Links Of Blockchain Around My Leg
mircea_popescu: Went into debt
mircea_popescu: No Transaction Fees!
mircea_popescu: Paid a transaction fee
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the light bulbs! you blew these yourself?
mircea_popescu: A Bear Called The End
mircea_popescu: Bought a bitcoin with U.S. dollars
mircea_popescu: Security And Control Over Your Money
mircea_popescu: Had your bitcoins disappear without a trace
mircea_popescu: You have 0.00 bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: You have lost a net 24.24 fiat dollars.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes.
mgio_: it gets worse, try some of the investments and buy an asicminer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00095839 = 23.0014 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Not Yet Accomplished:
mircea_popescu: Captain of Industry
mircea_popescu: Create your own financial empire
mircea_popescu: I Am The One Percent
mircea_popescu: Make a million U.S. dollars
mircea_popescu: Pillar Of The Community
mircea_popescu: Make a positive contribution to society
mircea_popescu: lol i accomplished all those, but hey. i guess im not the demo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait a second. what do you mean by "blew" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever make valves?
asciilifeform: blew - as in, glass
mircea_popescu: o holy hell no
ozbot: hand making vacuum tubes Part 1 - YouTube
mircea_popescu: well sure, im notdisputing it can be done
asciilifeform: the hard vacuum is the... hard part.
asciilifeform: if embarking on this, get an ion diffusion 2nd stage pump from a university surplus. $100 or so where i live.
nubbins`: so i'm googling the name of a zine, i get "a whale" typed in, and autosuggest says "adopt a whale and kill it"
mircea_popescu: must be right.
mike_c: i don't get that. must be a personalized result
mircea_popescu: do you perchance get "marry a whale and help her lose weight" ?
jurov: how did they make hard vacuum in 1920s?
mike_c: whoa, spot on!
nubbins`: haha
asciilifeform: jurov: something like edison's mercury pump, i believe.
nubbins`: jurov they did it in outer space
nubbins`: wait
asciilifeform: the '20s were not 'stone age.' they had most of what we have now, roughly.
mike_c: (obligatory note to my wife - just kidding!)
asciilifeform: (yes, incl. semiconductors)
asciilifeform: 99% of the maths anybody uses now, too.
danielpbarron: i'm not nearly as good at beepboopbitcoin as I am at real Bitcoin
jurov: asciilifeform: you read the link i posted few days ago?
asciilifeform: jurov: which one?
jurov: that they etched vacuum-tube-like transistors in silicon
asciilifeform: grantmanship.
danielpbarron: I think i'm really fortunate that I didn't start reading bitcointalk until very recently; i've been completely in the dark about all these potential ways to throw my money away
jurov: and cuz they are so small, don't actually need vacuum
bounce: I read they did that uhm 10+ years back already. difference here seemed to be they managed to make it a lot smaller again.
bounce: different uni then though
jurov: whats' grantmanship? uni vaporware?
mircea_popescu: just about
mircea_popescu: btw jurov people keep asking me if that paper is for real :D
asciilifeform: ;;google nuvistor
gribble: Nuvistor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuvistor>; The Nuvistor - The Valve Page: <http://www.thevalvepage.com/valvetek/Nuvistor/nuvistor.htm>; Nuvistor: Parts & Tubes | eBay: <http://www.ebay.com/bhp/nuvistor>
asciilifeform: existed.
mircea_popescu: you'll be famous.
asciilifeform: this was actually a serious leap in vacuum tube tech - they didn't need to be pumped, or made of glass
asciilifeform: so the early transistor, for a while, could not compete on price.
pankkake: mibbit is just a horrible web irc client
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 9 @ 0.07801213 = 0.7021 BTC [-] {5}
mgio_: I just read your article on bitbet to leverage mining delays, very interesting stuff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 105 @ 0.00399993 = 0.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 100 @ 0.004 = 0.4 BTC [+]
turbo_ac100: mike_c: warm fuzzy feeling :)
chatquack: shhh shhhh shhhhhh, it's all going to be ok.
chatquack wants attention.
chatquack: Who want's to drink and quote frank zappa with me?
turbo_ac100 drinkin', no zappa though
chatquack: ~Well, go on and get it over with it then~
chatquack: Well, that's good enough!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 18 @ 0.00812996 = 0.1463 BTC [+] {3}
chatquack shakes turbo_ac100's hand and hands him a beer.
turbo_ac100 is listening to hands on experiences about compulsory auctions. Sent from his iPhone.
chatquack: woah. /me checks it our\
chatquack: out**
turbo_ac100 frequently lies about his phone though.
chatquack: All I found was a True Blood playlist.
chatquack: Snookie does something or other.
chatquack doesn't have a phone
chatquack: I smashed my 4s and it felt good/bad
chatquack: ~There are three things that smell like fish~
turbo_ac100: Cleaning your tin foil hat will get rid of the bad feelings fo shizzle!
chatquack: ~One of them is "fish"~
chatquack: ~The other two... are growing on youuuuuuuu~
chatquack: I know right?!? Gotta change the foil out.
chatquack shakes the pizza greese off
chatquack: So, I've got to move out by the end of this month... I'm freaking out.
chatquack: Thinking about just buring the place down, so I don't have to pack boxes.
turbo_ac100: mid-term solution! I like it!
chatquack: hehe yes.
chatquack: I really like my land lord though. She's a sweety.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00095945 = 7.6276 BTC [+]
chatquack: But my love for burning things to the ground is very strong.
turbo_ac100: Listen to your heart!
chatquack: hehehehehheheh
chatquack: Fuck it, we're burning it down.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.06 = 0.6 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.04239 = 0.3815 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.10144642 = 0.913 BTC [-]
chatquack: Oh shit. Dave Matthews band is playing.
chatquack: I'm totally burning this place down. *love dave tho*
ozbot: Dave Matthews Band - What Would You Say - YouTube
chatquack: I'd say, "Fuck it!".
chatquack: ~MOM, IT'S MY BIRTHDAY~
chatquack starts dancing with a torch
chatquack: ~knock knock on the door, who's it for?~ BURRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNN
chatquack whispers, "There's no one out there"
chatquack: I know most of you don't know me, but you may just get to witness me go over the edge. I just but the live Dave Mathews album, "Rember Two Things" on.
chatquack: All I can think of is what's his face from SNL on Jeperdy.
chatquack: Perfect 'Dave'
chatquack: shhh, don't engage him, maybe he'll go away...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0424 = 0.212 BTC [+]
arizona: You aren't bothering me. Please procede.
mircea_popescu: da fuck's going on here.
arizona: lol
chatquack consoles mircea_popescu
chatquack: also "pokes with stick"
chatquack: It's like getting hugged by a hedghog.
chatquack "air violins"
chatquack: [air violing intensifies]
ozbot: Dave Matthews Band - Tripping Billies - YouTube
chatquack: I think I've tripped harded enough to knock over a few billies.
mircea_popescu: chatquack donation address is on http://bitcoin-assets.com/
chatquack: mircea_popescu's over here thinking, "I'm making money, I'm making money, I'm making money, this is just noise"
chatquack: ooo I have not been there.
chatquack: Not that I have much to donate, but I shall.
chatquack: I'm going homeless at the end of the month.
mircea_popescu: you too ?
chatquack: Ya, that bridge.
mircea_popescu: there must be something going around
chatquack: ha right?
chatquack: I'll probably save up more money than I ever have.
mircea_popescu: well don't donate if you're homeless, do a nekkid dance or something.
chatquack: And also, make the least.
chatquack: ok, nekkid dances keep me warm.
chatquack: So does the clothes...
chatquack has lived in a car before AMA
chatquack: oh shit, just spilt beer on my belly
chatquack rubs it in
chatquack: Really though, my last "homeless" car was bigger.
chatquack: This is really going to be a bit of a down-grade.
chatquack: Let's see where that qoute lives.....something about house payment or the car's.
cads: I imagine the worst part about being homeless is that it's hard to keep up a decent bandwidth.
cads: how can you produce enough value to leave that state if your bandwidth is down to zero, I dunno.
cads: It's like game over till someone gives you some clean clothes so you can be allowed into a library
cads: where you'll at least have /some/ bandwidth
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00017899 = 0.179 BTC [+]
chatquack: hmmm
chatquack: cads, you bring up an intresting point
chatquack: I think there is a sub $100 wifi-3g huuhaa in this state, not sure about coverage though.
chatquack: Oh fuck, nearly out of beer.
cads: you can sometimes make provisional deals with wifi network owners in the area
chatquack: Oh snap, I should become one of thoese 'owners'.
cads: I can show you how to give your clients their own unique virtual SSID and password
chatquack loves neighbors that love him
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13223 @ 0.000179 = 2.3669 BTC [+] {5}
chatquack: Right? Network sec is important!
cads: neighbors are great but I think in this day of arcane (and restrictive) provider contracts, they're too reluctant to pool resources
cads: also in this day of strong exploits it's not safe to let a stranger on your network
chatquack: Net sec should look to H&K... Keine Kompromisse!
chatquack: eh true
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.04294312 = 0.9877 BTC [+] {4}
chatquack: ok, ya, go ahead and ruin my dreams.
chatquack: Becoming an isp might mitagate
cads: you just have to talk faster than your prospect's worries :)
cads: yep, become a rogue ISP
cads: DOOO it
chatquack: there still could be hope as a rooftop point to point ISP
chatquack: hahhaha
chatquack: I like it!
chatquack: Most people want free movies, not kiddie crap.
chatquack: eh that
chatquack: 's an issue
chatquack: the whole "your responsiblility" issue
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00018199 = 0.364 BTC [-]
chatquack: oooo ooo ooo what about encapsalating (sic.) all the date and encripting it to a 3rd party?
chatquack: data**
chatquack: No ISP can know what their clients will access anyway.
chatquack: There must be a protection method.
chatquack: Fuck it. I'm just going to drive a van around with a bunch of decrete antennas
chatquack: The whole town's like, "why doesn't my remot outdoor thermometer work anymore?"
chatquack: remote**
chatquack kick chatquack Too much talky talky
ozbot: Parchment
pankkake: nice!
mike_c: awesome. i don't remember the commands though :)
chatquack: oh wow. I was looking at the wrong channel think this was it.
chatquack: awwww BingoBoingo, that normally takes hours to get to that point.
cazalla: i got the reciept from the atm but was like fuck it, i don't have the attention span for these games anymore
BingoBoingo: chatquack: well, it can happen faster
chatquack: this may be true
chatquack needs to alias mr to me
chatquack: some thing like alias ls ld
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.06 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17266 @ 0.00095752 = 16.5325 BTC [-] {2}
chatquack: errr ,ld ls heh wow
chatquack: many wow, such trhanks
chatquack: ~The street runs by your house to the south.~
chatquack: ;;eauth chatquack
gribble: Request successful for user chatquack, hostmask chatquack!~chatquack@unaffiliated/chatquack. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/56EF11E53FE449F5
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
chatquack: *gasp*
gribble: Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again.
chatquack: oh well fuck
chatquack: BingoBoingo is a bit embaressed
chatquack: ;;eauth chatquack
gribble: Request successful for user chatquack, hostmask chatquack!~chatquack@unaffiliated/chatquack. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/56EF11E53FE449F5
chatquack: everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3952c37eb5f16e15af0e603d73f80dc4a6a9acfa209ad36554cb8356
chatquack: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3952c37eb5f16e15af0e603d73f80dc4a6a9acfa209ad36554cb8356
gribble: You are now authenticated for user chatquack with key 56EF11E53FE449F5
chatquack: of fuck, no BingoBoingo taught me well, I'm just drunk and forgetfull
chatquack: I'm pretty sure someone jeeps moving the keys on my keyboard.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 62 @ 0.04240563 = 2.6291 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00095945 = 4.0777 BTC [+]
chatquack: guh. i'm jsustst a drunk shlab
cads: Lol, don't get down on yourself. In here. We'll ridicule you :)
chatquack: I feel much better cads. Thank you. Have something in return: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tctfq4tplQ4&feature=kp
cads: I love opening random IRC links. Ever since I was a kid.
chatquack strums the getar really hard.
chatquack: hahhaha right? always a mistery!
cads: If you can stare into the "eye" of the goatse man, you know you're a product of the deep internet.
chatquack: I've never found his actuall eye.
chatquack: oh, "eye".
ozbot: Tiger Woods by Dan Bern - YouTube
chatquack: there it is
chatquack: thank you ozbot
cads: yes, it must not move you at all, neither north nor south, you must simply acknowledge - there goes a diety of the internet
chatquack: ~which one are you BABY~
chatquack love dan bern
chatquack: ./nick big_as_the_swing_on_tiger_woods
chatquack: No missing link is another really good one
chatquack: REally though, Dan is fucked in the head.
chatquack: I love that he quotes Jesus as saying phrases like, "fuck it".
chatquack looks
chatquack: just eoe
cads: that is an artist that enjoys what he does, so I can't fault him/her
chatquack: So inviting@
cads: adorable, right?
chatquack: Ohmyfuck, my speakers are loud. YeS! ADORABLE!
chatquack: I could roll over them for days!
cads: I'll never love anything as much as this man loves to draw morbidly obese girls
chatquack: hhahahaha
chatquack: Cant
chatquack: hmmmm my keys
chatquack: enter is soooo close to shift
chatquack: Can't remember now. Something about fat chicks and how I love 'em!
chatquack: ~Something ab out the missing link, There's no missing link!!!!!~
ozbot: No Missing Link: By Dan Bern - YouTube
chatquack: Going to sing type nowe...
BCB: did anyone see the texas guidance today
BCB: *err memo
chatquack: ~They looked for the missing link~
chatquack: ~There's no missing link~
chatquack: ~They'll never find the missing link~
chatquack: ~There's no missing link~
chatquack: ~We're not something~
chatquack: ~You can figure out with an equation~
chatquack: ~We are the genetic mutation~
artifexd: BCB no. got a link?
ozbot: No Missing Link: By Dan Bern - YouTube
chatquack: ~aaaalllliens came and fucked the monkey, they fucked the monkey~
chatquack: I'm scared. What is that BcB?
chatquack: ~Seven billion bastards. Screaming for our Daddy~
BCB: chatquack, bitcoin analysis from the state of texas
chatquack: nice
chatquack looks
BCB: Regulatory Treatment of Virtual Currencies Under the Texas Money Services Act
cads: work of art made by a 3d printing pen
chatquack: Mostly 5 pages?!?!
chatquack: fuck
artifexd: "Exchanging virtual currency for sovereign currency is not currency exchange under the Texas
artifexd: Finance Code." Nice
chatquack: FTA "Because cryptocurrency is not money under the Money Services Act, receiving it in exchange for
chatquack: a promise to make it available at a later time or different location is not money transmission.
chatquack: Consequently, absent the involvement of sovereign currency in a transaction, no money
chatquack: transmission can occur. However, when a cryptocurrency transaction does include sovereign
chatquack: currency, it may be money transmission depending on how the sovereign currency is handled. A
chatquack: licensing analysis will be based on the handling of the sovereign currency." ughhhh
chatquack: wait
chatquack: it's it's OWN FUCKING CURRENCY!
chatquack: errrr, "it's its"
thestringpuller: watch them try to label buying alpaca socks in exchange for cryptocurrency is money transmission
chatquack: is't it?
chatquack: altho, I don't know what the diff between money and currency is...
thestringpuller: it's sovereign by definition so to impose laws on it seems a bit...moot
artifexd: Apparently not. They only care about how "soverign currency" is handled as per the following quote from near the bottom of page 3:
artifexd: licensing analysis will be based on the handling of the sovereign currency."
chatquack: so, someone (one individual or party) gets to name the price?
dexx: soo.. if i got that right. no atms?
chatquack: rather than lookin at bitcoinaveragedotderp or something?
chatquack misses his states' atm already
artifexd: ATMs are explicitly discussed.
chatquack: I didn't even drive over there and look at it.
artifexd: "... an automated machine is usually but not always money transmition"
dexx: yes
dexx: i read it
dexx: it's only none, if it's used as vending machine without access to an external exchange
chatquack: Wouldn't it be though?
chatquack: Somewhere in it's dump hardware would live the current blockchain.
chatquack: dumppy**
dexx: ?
chatquack: And an api to "it's exchange".
dexx: it's about bitcoin/fiat exchanges
chatquack: In fact, can't we have bitcoin atm's that let us choose our fav exchanges (within price reason).
artifexd: That would make it sound like, to me, that two-way atms are not money transmitters. I put USD in. I get btc out sold by the operator. I put BTC in. I get USD out sold by the operator.
artifexd: I don't see it matter if the machine gets the exchange rate from an exchange.
chatquack: Oh wow. This Dan Bern album is still playing. Talking about how his car doesn't pick up the mexican stations. Wow. I love. ~Live'n in diferent worlds, right beside eachother.~
ozbot: UrbanBaby
dexx: artifexd: i think it's done this way with an atm in berlin
chatquack: artifexd, ya. the atm itself chooses the prices and displays it to you before you hit, "confirm".
chatquack: well, it's chosen by some unseen algo, but hey, you know.
chatquack turns up the music a bit more.
dexx: chatquack: the underlying problem: the atm owner acts as escrow between user and exchange and this is appearingly the part is an act of a money transmission
chatquack: ugh.
chatquack: not just a snack maching at fixed prices 'eh?
dexx: you can run it as snack machine and even fetch prices from an exchange
chatquack: Bitcoin lemonade stands...
dexx: but you can't let the users use the exchange ;)
chatquack: buy a $2 lemo and pay with a $50, change in btc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8052 @ 0.00095945 = 7.7255 BTC [+]
chatquack: or is that not fair trade?
thestringpuller: it can be, that would be a pricing mechanism
thestringpuller: if it's inefficient there will likely be a more "efficient" trade somewhere else in that market
chatquack: hm, pricing mechanism...coinbase?
thestringpuller: a $2 lemo bought for $0.50, change in btc
thestringpuller: or more $2 lemonade sold for $0.50
chatquack: hm. countries like their taxes.
thestringpuller: jsut to acquire btc
chatquack: let's give it to them
thestringpuller: then countries can collect their own currency?
chatquack: I see BTC tx's from big bank to another as a cost saver.
chatquack: BOA and whatnot should jump on board. but fuuuuck the quick changes in price. dunno what to do about them.
thestringpuller: don't worry about the changes in price?
chatquack: Sell futures as currents?
chatquack: ya, fuck it!
thestringpuller: that's been discussed...
chatquack: neat.
chatquack is drunk, angry, and poor.
thestringpuller: you don't have to be poor...
chatquack: heh, but rich in life
chatquack: Also, I bough land a couple of weeks ago. It turns out that I can pay for it in 3 years with blood plasma alone.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0594 = 0.1188 BTC [-]
pankkake: davout: http://i.imgur.com/bao4xlx.png - now you really deserve a spanking!
chatquack: It feels a little matrixy.
pankkake: (I'm openening a ticket, no hurry)
chatquack: might want to frame the website credintals in the same pic.
dexx: don't you know bluring is bad? :p
dexx: better black out
chatquack: deep blue
pankkake: true. it's the bluring of Shutter, I don't know how well it's done
chatquack: Well, either wait it out or start screaming 'gox'.
chatquack: Iv've got to pee so badly.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 43 @ 0.0081 = 0.3483 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: peecrastinator?
chatquack: it's done
chatquack: fuck I need to eat food that isn't beer.
chatquack: or do i?
pankkake: it's not paleo, don't eat beer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17000 @ 0.00015218 = 2.5871 BTC [-] {9}
chatquack: well, I'd still be drinking it
chatquack puts on some King Crimson
ozbot: King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man - YouTube
ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
chatquack: *turns it up to 5.11*
chatquack 's ears begin bleeding
thestringpuller: lol king crimson
chatquack: *headbangs whilest spraing blood*
thestringpuller: Damn I'm starting to hate havelock
thestringpuller: I hope my bet wins
kakobrekla: lol pankkake
pankkake: as of this week I have nothing in havelock
pankkake: (I also have not much coins)
mgio_: good for you pancake
pankkake: well, still divided by about 2 or 3 what I put in
chatquack: havelock is for children! (can someone explain what havelock is?)!
mgio_: do you think they will allow trading for neobee again soon?
pankkake: no idea I don't even understand any of the statements
mgio_: i dont see why they dont allow it now, people are trading on the forums anyways
chatquack grin begins to widen.
thestringpuller: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 6015744763.58 based on data since last change | 6889012087.61 based on data for last three days
chatquack: oh, havelock :|
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7999 @ 0.00016119 = 1.2894 BTC [+] {5}
ozbot: King Crimson - I Talk To The Wind (HQ) - YouTube
chatquack whisltes real good like
dexx: are you gecko_x2?
thestringpuller: !ticker h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (108 shares, 0.81000000 BTC), 7D: 0.00600002 / 0.00739265 / 0.00750000 (19004 shares, 140.48993046 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00622803 / 0.00900001 (53743 shares, 334.71301440 BTC)
chatquack: gecko?
ozbot: King Crimson - Epitaph (HQ) - YouTube
chatquack: ~Confusion will be my epitaph.~
Ukyo: mgio_: ping
chatquack: ~The fate of all mankind I see, Is in the hands of fools.~
chatquack: Oh fuck! WE run this place.
chatquack headbangs more.
chatquack: ~Confusion will be my epitaph. As I crawl a cracked and broken path. If we make it we can all sit back and laugh. But I fear tomorrow I'll be crying, Yes I fear tomorrow I'll be crying...~
kakobrekla: are you sure you are on the right chan?
chatquack: no, no I am not sure.
kakobrekla: well then revisit that question
SatoshiJack: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'SatoshiJack', with hostmask 'SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18', is not identified.
antephialtic: so, I want to bootstrap my WoT rating, I've been lurking in this channel for a couple months now.
chatquack whisper in kakobrekla, "You are a god."
antephialtic: I can do short term programming work for hire, at reduced rates as I have no trust ratings
chatquack: ear...there was suposed to be "ear" somewhere in there.
chatquack wanders off.
SatoshiJack: ;;gpg eauth
gribble: (gpg eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
SatoshiJack: ;;gpg eauth SatoshiJack
gribble: Request successful for user SatoshiJack, hostmask SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/5A0C8593D887E89E
kakobrekla: antephialtic thats prolly not a bad way to go about it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 22 @ 0.00812899 = 0.1788 BTC [+] {4}
SatoshiJack: ;;gpg eauth SatoshiJack freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ab5ae4d79e1c9e44f5c140ec470d05f17517356025c972825cd0d9e6
gribble: (gpg eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
antephialtic: kakobrekla: yep, seems better than the whole "borrow btc for 1 week and repay"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 62 @ 0.00951982 = 0.5902 BTC [+] {4}
kakobrekla: anyway, as mp mentioned a day or two ago, these ideas on what to code to boost your wot come across -assets ~weekly.
kakobrekla: im sure there was at least one in the last week
dignork: antephialtic, I'd suggest you auth first, just to show that you know what you;re talking about
kakobrekla: i think someone mentioned doing a bitbet audit. thats free for the grabs
antephialtic: just did
dignork: kakobrekla, you mean source code audit, or just blackbox tinkering?
BingoBoingo: dignork: I believe financial audit
kakobrekla: its very simple
kakobrekla: and good community work
antephialtic: ah, I thought you meant security audit. I'm probably not the best choice for that type of work
BingoBoingo: Scan bitbet addresses and blockr.io and make a tool that returns yes or no for "Can BitBet pay out Bets"\
kakobrekla: you dont actually need to code the 'no' part.
antephialtic: well, I know all the basic stuff to look out for like SQL injection, XSRF, XSS, etc, but I haven't actually audited someone elses code before
antephialtic: but I could do a financial audit
kakobrekla: yes a financial is what we are discussing here
kakobrekla: anyway brb
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00095781 = 1.8198 BTC [-]
ozbot: King Crimson - The Court of the Crimson King (In the Court of the Crimson King) - YouTube
antephialtic: ;;later tell kakobrekla cool, if all the info is public I'll probably do it this weekend. will PM you for details tomorrow.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00095776 = 14.8453 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06309169 = 0.3155 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell antephialtic what sort of programming do you do ? maybe make that bitbet scrapper thing
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you around ?
mircea_popescu: SatoshiJack you say ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ab5ae4d79blabla
mircea_popescu: darn BingoBoingo beat me to it
kakobrekla: what is a bitbet scrapper
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.06039 = 0.5435 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what you two were discussing above.
mircea_popescu: scrap the address list check balances
SatoshiJack: got it thanks...
SatoshiJack: I don't need to be there yet....
mircea_popescu: ;;ident SatoshiJack
gribble: Nick 'SatoshiJack', with hostmask 'SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18', is identified as user 'SatoshiJack', with GPG key id 5A0C8593D887E89E, key fingerprint BFAC5777A91C88D4F021C28B5A0C8593D887E89E, and bitcoin address None
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04338131 = 0.4338 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pankkake pls pay 10k atc to SatoshiJack
pankkake: ok, give me an address
SatoshiJack: Hold a sec mp...let me look up atc for a min...
pankkake: ahah
mircea_popescu: give p an address when ready
SatoshiJack: will do thanks.
mircea_popescu: it's just bitcoin code on diff genblock basically.
pankkake: well, I'm going to bed, I'll send tomorrow likely
tg2: guys can I do some free brogramming for you to get otc ratingz
tg2: i can program in visual basic
tg2: and html
danielpbarron: you can't program html
tg2: nonsense, i'm programming it right now
tg2: <html>
tg2: see
danielpbarron: i see some markup language; no programming language
tg2: i also program css
danielpbarron stabs tg2
tg2: lol
tg2: ;;later benkay - i have some html programming expertise to lend in exchange for otc
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "benkay" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
tg2: ;;later tell benkay - i have some html programming expertise to lend in exchange for otc
gribble: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: why not just buy a rating
tg2: thats a sock thing to do
danielpbarron: it would be worth just as much
tg2: nvm just gonna sell some drugs on otc
danielpbarron: how is trading money for a rating any different than trading labor for a rating?
kakobrekla: html is not a programming language
danielpbarron: you should trade your labor for money and then get a rating for that transaction; that would be the legit thing to do
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00095785 = 20.4022 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: asciilifeform , mebbe this explains coder vs programmer thingy :)
tg2: not sure if reverse trolling or genuinely trolled
tg2: trollception paradox
tg2: lol I wager nubbins` got it
tg2: lol
nubbins`: html, while not a programming language, can be just as frustrating
danielpbarron is very gullible when it comes to others pretending to be idiots
tg2 understands given the propency for idiots
nubbins`: ;;google propency
gribble: proponency - Wiktionary: <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/proponency>; proponent - definition of proponent by the Free Online Dictionary ...: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/proponent>; Army Comptroller Proponency (PO) - Office of the ASA (FMC): <http://asafm.army.mil/offices/office.aspx?officecode=1800>
kakobrekla: so can knitting, nubbins`
nubbins`: kakobrekla no kidding, ever see notation for making a pair of gloves?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0619 = 0.4952 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: So... more tornados on the way
mircea_popescu: html is a derpgraming language
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10309 @ 0.00095751 = 9.871 BTC [-]
tg2: inb4 nodehtml
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00095878 = 14.957 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete "measuring GDP is more a function of measuring what they can measure rather than what’s worth measuring" haha, this is like your first article i actually like. braver.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: logs sitemap submitted to big brother. perhaps it will make search work better.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete the cpi is in fact in question. http://trilema.com/2013/the-wonder-of-inflation/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla forward soviet!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 52 @ 0.10144642 = 5.2752 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 11 @ 0.01289986 = 0.1419 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.02249999 = 0.135 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves you around ? /// i am now
ThickAsThieves: so the forum says i'm in cahoots with you now
ozbot: Matt Adams Shoves Fan After Diving For Foul Ball; Fan Flips The Bird
ThickAsThieves: i guess i finally made it
nubbins` claps
BingoBoingo: Chicago
ozbot: White Sox Games Are Eerily Empty
ThickAsThieves: if only a handful of people attended, why are they in the shitty seats?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves check this shit out :
mircea_popescu: SatoshiJack.com
mircea_popescu: Just-Blackjack.com
mircea_popescu: guy's adding atc support as we speak, help him out will ye :D
ThickAsThieves: who is he?
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Because they dunno how to move
ThickAsThieves: do we trust him?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea, he just started talking at me one day. SatoshiJack
mircea_popescu: well, i sent him some atc and we see.
ThickAsThieves: cool cool
ThickAsThieves: SatoshiJack come hang out when you get a chance
ThickAsThieves: "MP sent TAT in as a sleeper agent from the beginning. Just waiting for the rest of his troll army to get the forums all riled up, and then use their combined mind control with TAT's relationship with Danny to make all the coins disappear."
ThickAsThieves: get out of my head!
mircea_popescu: that's not an actual quote is it ?
mircea_popescu: these people are braindamaged srsly.
ozbot: NEO and BEE talk (unmoderated)
mircea_popescu: dude he's trolling them
chetty: everything is a conspiracy
ThickAsThieves: but it comes after real conspricies
SatoshiJack: here....
ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust SatoshiJack
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user SatoshiJack: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=SatoshiJack | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SatoshiJack | Rated since: never
ThickAsThieves: do you have a WoT SatoshiJack?
mircea_popescu: he justmade it.
SatoshiJack: TAT--we've delt biz in the past --I'll PM you my personal email....sometime....I've used your services before.
mircea_popescu: " but I had to eliminate most of MP's claims, just cause he's typically full of shit like that"
ThickAsThieves: you might add some ATC support?
mircea_popescu: ;;seen velacreations
gribble: velacreations was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 5 hours, 9 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <velacreations> thanks guys
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell velacreations are you like fucktarded or something ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: yeah that vela dude is a nightmare from way back
SatoshiJack: Already in motion...
ThickAsThieves: i forget why
SatoshiJack: and I just pointed a miner over to the alt pool...
ThickAsThieves: i'm not allowed to mine any
ThickAsThieves: for a while wasnt even allowd to own any
SatoshiJack: Understood ;)
SatoshiJack: I'm ranked #1 on the pool :(
ThickAsThieves: it's like 1TH or so?
ThickAsThieves: there's a channel btw #altcoin
mircea_popescu: you're not allowed to mine any ?
SatoshiJack: nope sorry I'm number 4 ;)
ThickAsThieves: we've mostly overrun it for our own purposes
ThickAsThieves: i gave my word mp
ThickAsThieves: that i would never mine any
ThickAsThieves: no premine, no mine ever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00095701 = 15.0251 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: not sure it could be proven, but it's true
ThickAsThieves: i also hate mining
ThickAsThieves: sooo not too hard to obey
mircea_popescu: can you even mine any ?
mircea_popescu: ah yes ok then :p
ThickAsThieves: i still have some fancy GPUs in static bags
ThickAsThieves: sold most after i made all my money back and more on LTC mining
ThickAsThieves: i had to use one today cuz the GPU in my wife's pc died
ThickAsThieves: so there's that
ThickAsThieves: BingoBoingo, best not to encourage them
ThickAsThieves: they dont know whats what
mircea_popescu: the goons are getting bored in there, gotta stir the pot.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves watch it all end up being your fault.
ThickAsThieves: vela probly wont stop til it is
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: We have to support the Drama or MP loses the Berkshire bet
ThickAsThieves: the sad thing is, you cant even tell these people any wild theory is wrong
ThickAsThieves: theyll just seek some other one
CheckDavid: Awesome English mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid hm ?
ThickAsThieves: dang that girl's bod!
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: them feed them wilder theories
ThickAsThieves: i need to behave
ThickAsThieves: cant go dicking around in the matter
mircea_popescu: she's great isn't she.
CheckDavid: Your article mircea_popescu for fuck's sake
mircea_popescu: i have like 8k articles.
CheckDavid: The last one you posted
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00095656 = 24.4879 BTC [-]
CheckDavid: OK never mind
mircea_popescu: yeah, i still dunno what you meant :p
CheckDavid: Actually the last one posted in this chat room
CheckDavid: I thought it was you linking it.
mircea_popescu: so basically... you're confused :)
ThickAsThieves: omg SatoshiJack get rid of that Are you sure you want to leave this page? popup
ThickAsThieves: ultra scammy
ThickAsThieves: unless of course youre a scammer
ThickAsThieves: in that case leave it
ozbot: Testosterone Pit - Home - Turns Out, Even The Price of Beer Is Rigged
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00095797 = 21.8896 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00095923 = 12.9496 BTC [+] {2}
SatoshiJack: TAT --- right now we are focused on game play/engine --- The front page is not set in stone by any means --- but check out the chats and the sit at a table -- register an account -- and play.
SatoshiJack: join my table :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00095972 = 18.5226 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 291 @ 0.00567893 = 1.6526 BTC [+] {5}
ozbot: Secret Google meeting targeted Internet freedom in Iran - San Francisco Technology | Examiner.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15875 @ 0.00096046 = 15.2473 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 436.24, vol: 22241.00865357 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 436.021, vol: 19481.42811 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 438.6, vol: 20965.51969093 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 432.87, vol: 156.11726094 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 424.333512, vol: 6938.87890000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 447.54221, vol: 23.20186889 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 447.386625, vol: 74.73693948 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 435.712870165
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00095656 = 9.4221 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61889899 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.04329999 = 0.5196 BTC [-] {2}
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