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moiety: "Tragically, he really thought he could be the West’s friend, failing to see that his own repressive policies made that impossible." errr since fucking when?
moiety: i don't think Putin seems to care about making pals. Our DC calls him to tell him to calm down every 5 minutes
ThickAsThieves: ;;eauth ThickAsThieves
gribble: Error: You have not registered a GPG key. Try using bcauth instead, or register a GPG key first.
mircea_popescu: it's epic, ima write it up.
ThickAsThieves: i'm having trouble sorting out how to add my gpg key to otc
ThickAsThieves: i uploaded it to MIT
ThickAsThieves: and then i did a ;;changekey
joecool: mircea_popescu: april already?
ThickAsThieves: but when i try to everify it says no request
ThickAsThieves: outstanding
mircea_popescu: joecool sorry ?
joecool: mircea_popescu: that article you linked
joecool: is it april already?
mircea_popescu: o as in 1st ? hehe. maybe in some timezones.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i think there's a special command like addkey or somesuch
mircea_popescu: you'll gotta read the docs
joecool: mircea_popescu: !gpg changekey i think
joecool: er ThickAsThieves
joecool: when in doubt ping nanotube
ThickAsThieves: i did it!
joecool: !ident ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: ;;eauth ThickAsThieves
gribble: Request successful for user ThickAsThieves, hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@c-98-231-58-41.hsd1.fl.comcast.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B28732FE807495EC
joecool: ;;ident ThickAsThieves
gribble: Nick 'ThickAsThieves', with hostmask 'ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@c-98-231-58-41.hsd1.fl.comcast.net', is identified as user 'ThickAsThieves', with GPG key id B28732FE807495EC, key fingerprint D649FD3B664A6BCF801D727EB28732FE807495EC, and bitcoin address 1NfXM69erAWPDdNrZ2k2UkuV7HDPc6Ebwk
ThickAsThieves: ;;eauth ThickAsThieves
gribble: Request successful for user ThickAsThieves, hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B28732FE807495EC
mircea_popescu: seems you got both.
jborkl_: http://bcoinnews.com/2014/03/14/questions-about-bitcoin/
jborkl_: I have not proofed this yet, but if you guys would not mind reading it and telling me if you think it sounds like I have down syndrome
ThickAsThieves: now i need to look up what an encrypted OTP is and what i need it for
Duffer1: it's the message you need to sign for ;;everify
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves open terminal, go "gpg" paste it there
ThickAsThieves: ;;eauth ThickAsThieves
gribble: Request successful for user ThickAsThieves, hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B28732FE807495EC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0059 = 0.236 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: not really sure what i did
ThickAsThieves: but i followed instructions and it worked
joecool: jborkl_: no glaring things wrong with the writing. a couple quotes missing and maybe some comma weirdness
ThickAsThieves: felt like i verified twice
ThickAsThieves: is the last part just to make sure it works both ways?
ThickAsThieves: I assume I do not save the OTP
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60522201 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0059 = 0.59 BTC [-]
joecool: ThickAsThieves: you can pipe it from curl to gpg
jborkl_: joecool, thank you. I will make sure to look at that
joecool: jborkl_: what region are you from?
jborkl_: Texas
Duffer1: paste the OTP mesage into where you sign messages, copy the result, then come back and type ;;everify signedmessageresulthere
ThickAsThieves: it worked
Duffer1: it's proof you can sign
joecool: jborkl_: i figured US but writing is a little different than northeast
ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust ThickAsThieves
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=ThickAsThieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ThickAsThieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013
jborkl_: Well, I am left handed also. So I am naturally kinda strange anyway
joecool: i'm ambidextrous, even worse
jborkl_: heh
joecool: ;;gettrust ThickAsThieves
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Trust relationship from user joecool to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=ThickAsThieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ThickAsThieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013
ThickAsThieves: jborkl_ I haz edits for you
jborkl_: ok excellent
ThickAsThieves: pm's as i read
jborkl_: ok, Thank you for the input. I do appreciate it
joecool: no problem
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00368869 = 0.1033 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00080256 = 17.4557 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu if the pc can deterministically find that a [hardware btc wallet | gpg apparatus | trng | etc] is plugged in, owner is fucked.
gribble: Error: "hardware" is not a valid command.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.03542448 = 0.1417 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu if the pc can deterministically find that a hardware btc wallet | gpg apparatus | trng | etc is plugged in, owner is fucked.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
joecool: asciilifeform: solution is easy to that
asciilifeform: yes, yes it is
asciilifeform: but tell the 'trezor' etc. folks that.
joecool: asciilifeform: put a button on it and/or limit number of pin attempts
joecool: asciilifeform: i need to play with the yubikey neo implementation of bip32
asciilifeform: joecool: this is a grave misconception. if pc can 'if XXX then hardware wallet is present' even once, you're fucked.
joecool: asciilifeform: maybe i'm misunderstanding you. my system can tell if my openpgp smartcard is present
asciilifeform: yes, and hence the smartcard is garbage.
joecool: an attacker *could* attempt 3 times to use it with a pin
joecool: before it locks itself out forever
joecool: so it's a non-issue
asciilifeform: doesn't matter - you unlock the card, and it signs whatever kernel wants it to sign.
joecool: asciilifeform: except it needs a pin every time to do it, and it needs to be physically present
asciilifeform: attacker pwns the pc, you personally unlock the card, thinking you will do operation X, in actuality: Y.
joecool: asciilifeform: that's assuming quite a bit
joecool: same could be said about software wallet without factoring in hardware
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00080371 = 8.7604 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: the whole point in taking the trouble to design a hardware gizmo
asciilifeform: is to assume a future encounter with a pwned host machine
asciilifeform: if you have an amulet of invincibility and the gods have informed you that you will never encounter a pwned pc, you need no exotic hardware.
asciilifeform: can use standard btc client, gpg, etc.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu the correct way to do 'hardware wallet is' -- well, why piss out out here. 'obvious to alert reader.'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ozbot: Let’s do the telegraph pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell jborkl_ perhaps the oil painting example is weak, seeing how the artist would probably benefit from being physically present for the wedding.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell jborkl_ the point about "over regulate people" is vague, in that nobody, from obama to ayn rand, believe their activity is "over regulatory". indeed, all over regulators in history carefully consider the point of over regulation (in their own reference frame) and decide they're being reasonable.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter it'd be a lot saner if you stuck around for few hours after asking for input on an article in so i don't have to make gribble work overtime
ozbot: News from The Associated Press
mircea_popescu: anyway, the statement of that point im happy with is in http://trilema.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/
mircea_popescu: specifically, "As far as experience shows, people don’t tend to support states that either stupidly or unwittingly include rules among their enemies. You can’t win a war against math, or against drugs, or against “social injustice”, or “kulaks”. Soon after the Soviet government moved its focus from entities to rules, it lost the support of the people. Soon after the other-Soviet government moved its focus f
mircea_popescu: rom entities to rules, it also lost the support of the people. There weren’t that many people burning American flags in 1860, you know ? Why do you think not ? You can support a government killing Indians, or bison. You can’t support a government fighting chemical compounds."
mircea_popescu: this'd be a better distinction than simply over/under, because it's a difference in kind not degree.
chetty: If that plane went on for hours why werent the people on board using cell phones?
asciilifeform: chetty: not much cell service in the sea.
mircea_popescu: you need a tower reasonably close
chetty: they were over land there of a while
mircea_popescu: then again... chinese people. someone probably told them not to use cell phones
mircea_popescu: and so they didn't. period.
asciilifeform: also helps to remember that cell jammer fits in a belt buckle if necessary.
asciilifeform: or, if you like exciting life, in the plane's own instrumentation.
chetty: good point asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: did they ever get fitted with that in the end ?
asciilifeform: you know, the same one that gets a magic packet and steers the flying coffin 1000km into the sea and then down.
moiety: my sides mircea_popescu !!!!!!
mircea_popescu: moiety what did you do ?
joecool: asciilifeform: cell jammers are also much more effective as they move away from towers
moiety: feeeh-lings
moiety: read your article
mircea_popescu: o o hehe
asciilifeform: the most effective cell jammer doesn't simply piss out white noise, but emulates a functioning tower - one which happens to route calls into '/dev/null'
asciilifeform: you can't buy this one from 'alibaba' but there it is.
joecool: asciilifeform: there are a lot of standards to cover with a fake tower
asciilifeform: power needed is miniscule
asciilifeform: joecool: this is a commercial product
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly, prolly white noise most effectual
asciilifeform: ;;google imsi catcher
gribble: IMSI-catcher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSI-catcher>; The body-worn “IMSI catcher” for all your covert phone snooping ...: <http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/09/the-body-worn-imsi-catcher-for-all-your-covert-phone-snooping-needs/>; Septier IMSI Catcher: <http://www.septier.com/146.html>
mircea_popescu: haha cell mitm ?
asciilifeform: 'catcher' is normally pictured as a wiretapping tool
asciilifeform: but is perfectly adequate for this other purpose.
asciilifeform: all known cell systems use 'toy' crypto
asciilifeform: and certainly no serious authentication of 'this is a genuine tower'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0516 = 0.1548 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: this is engineering these days.
joecool: gsm mitm is fairly easy with 2G technologies, the hardware isn't very expensive and the software is opensource
asciilifeform: this is cell engineering from day 1.
mircea_popescu: the whole banking system was well fucked, what with its odd notions of a cheque
mircea_popescu: so knowing that, let's build another whole industry on rotten basics
asciilifeform: the mandatory use of toy crypto in consumer telephony was blatant and entirely conspicuous.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea who exactly would wish to live in a world where a company making a product asks any government what it thinks on the topic.
asciilifeform: i've suggested before that it is a mistake to see u.s. tech firms (certainly after ww2) as meaningfully separate from usg.
asciilifeform: the cliche 'privatize profits, public pays losses' is overused, but applies.
mircea_popescu: it's by now a mistake to see anything in the us command economy as meaningfully separate from anything else.
mircea_popescu: they've plainly confessed to it what with the "too big to fail" doctrine,
asciilifeform: they've been linked in this way since the war.
mircea_popescu: which is strctly command economy under another name
asciilifeform: in the case of at&t and certain others, arguably earlier.
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
asciilifeform: microshit, for instance, is quite easily 'Department of Software'
mircea_popescu: hey, even sacred monsters a la buffett are reduced to teary eyed confessions of belief in the party, even at the zenith of their career/intellectual lucidity
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.03652008 = 0.1096 BTC [+]
joecool: asciilifeform: i'd argue longer actually than WW2
asciilifeform: 'play ball' or 'have problems.'
mircea_popescu: someone did this as power moved from lenin to stalin but i don't recall who the fuck
mircea_popescu: they wheeled in some ancient revolutionary bolshevik to praise the party.
joecool: asciilifeform: i mean the communication framework was setup in the early 30's
asciilifeform: voroshilov ?
mircea_popescu: joecool i guess there's a good point here, in the sense that the infrastructure is really old, phreakin did exist, what is one to do
mircea_popescu: but let me point out that digital comms is a whole new industry.
mircea_popescu: none of the old infrastructure was usable, not really, towers is one thing copper is another and so on
joecool: mircea_popescu: unless you count telegraph as digital
mircea_popescu: my original comments refer strictly to this, while old landline is what it is, nobody forced cellphones to suck
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes that's him.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0516 = 0.2064 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 135 @ 0.0059 = 0.7965 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.05333313 = 0.64 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 35 @ 0.00478627 = 0.1675 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: soo, the missing plane is placed between kazakhstan and turkmenistan now ?
mircea_popescu: the false flag conpiracy theory is getting better and better hah
bitcoinpete: Most of the false flagging seems to be in oz right now, the no-longer-black-haired-bernie is back with penis-nosed motor racing
bitcoinpete: who here is from oz again? benkay?
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell MisterE haha it's a balancing act
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: and a lovely saturday evening it is here
bitcoinpete: looks soggy in melbourne, guessing you're elsewhere
cazalla: it's stormy but that's how i like it
cazalla: i guess lovely was the wrong word, it's more cozy with the storm coming over
cazalla: bitcoinpete: you're from canada, right? a brother in the commonwealth
bitcoinpete: Was in London last week too at the seat of the empire
bitcoinpete: it's overlord central
bitcoinpete: here, we're finally in the plusses and enjoying spring
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: I helped write the adaptation. Someone had to.
mircea_popescu: the what ?
bitcoinpete: the adaptation of freddie got fingered, the mainstage production?
mircea_popescu: haha where was this ?
bitcoinpete: haha I'm still trying to figure out where you pulled the tom green bit from in the first place. I thought we were on the King & I. Or is Tom the Canadian King, and I Anna?
mircea_popescu: the two seem unrelated ?
mircea_popescu: you mixing two articles together ?
bitcoinpete: 03:56:21 mircea_popescu:;;later tell bitcoinpete you've seen the mainstage production of tom green's freddie got fingered ?! that existed ?! >> What was this in reference to?
mircea_popescu: Mar 15 03:49:38 <bitcoinpete>;;later tell mircea_popescu: I should check out the film, I've only seen the mainstage production :)
bitcoinpete: which was a response to: 17:37:20mircea_popescu:;;later tell bitcoinpete yul killed in that king of siam role :D
mircea_popescu: o o okay.
bitcoinpete: I hadn't heard anyone mention tom green in years, probably longer than a king of siam reference lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07356668 = 0.4414 BTC [-] {2}
bitcoinpete: And Lewey Hamilton is on pole at the first F1 race of the season
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07297007 = 1.0946 BTC [-] {4}
bitcoinpete: Didn't know Ricciardo is Australian... He's 2nd on the grid.
ozbot: The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It)
mircea_popescu: why would one want to hasten it.
mircea_popescu: these purists.
bitcoinpete: "Altcoins are not viable because they cannot reproduce that which gives Bitcoin an overwhelming competitive edge: its market cap." Neglects that pre-mined recently that was actually useful developmentally for Bitcoin. Name escapes me...
bitcoinpete: "It is unethical to create an altcoin with the purpose of making money off of it for this reason. They should not be taken seriously."
chetty: trees make many blossoms, few fruits
mircea_popescu: hey, i had it without reading it. purist argument from dumbland.
mircea_popescu: i suppose ceramic armor plates on tanks don't shoot, either, and so it's immoral to spend military funds on armor plating research and deployment
mircea_popescu: themisescircle said so
bitcoinpete: i like that analogy
bitcoinpete: anyhoo. just stopped in briefly before bed. cheers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00080431 = 9.33 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4536337702.16 based on data since last change | 4543209321.87 based on data for last three days
mircea_popescu: DiabloD3: yeah I dont know why more men dont use prenups << because most men are deadbeats anyway.
mircea_popescu: or in george's gf's words, "Ha.Ha.Ha. ha...You don't have any money. I make more money than you do. ha. ha. ha. Yeah.. give me the papers I'll sign 'em.( she leaves) a pre-nup..."
kakobrekla: was suppose to go in the other box.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.603737 = 7.2448 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2191 @ 0.000147 = 0.3221 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.003478 = 1.0434 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3780 @ 0.00080431 = 3.0403 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 55 @ 0.00379994 = 0.209 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.053 = 0.795 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-]
ozbot: Twitter / BtcDanny: Cyprus #2 on google trends ...
kakobrekla: ok lol
kakobrekla: slovenia has 2 mio ppl.
kakobrekla: another day or two and we will fuck up the states.
mircea_popescu: where do you bury them all.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00080438 = 19.6671 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 32 @ 0.01502577 = 0.4808 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: so to this day if i google "neobee" i get 1st a havelock link and 2nd a webmail account for neobee.net, then reddit and btctalk pages.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile a 23yo fuckwith stated that "The public facing websites are being tied into the advertising campaign which starts on 1st Feb. If you have concerns about me then so be it, if you would also like me to spend my time delivering updates then just say, however I do look forward to proving posts like these wrong."
mircea_popescu: we're not on the 1st of february, nor are we on the first of march, nor are we living in the alternative world where craig woods is a businesswoman or danny webster a ceo.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00014509 = 0.2902 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: also would be nice to get a read as to whether danny webster is an uneducated welder from Leicestershire who tends to get involved in street fights. his subnormal mug certainly supports that theory.
ozbot: Danny Brewster, 22, of Whitwick, fighting for life in coma after accident in Cyprus | Leicest
kakobrekla: oh wow
kakobrekla: quick recovery :)
mircea_popescu: funny how people who can't afford personal travel arrangements in june are suddenly ceos in september.
ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
kakobrekla: last page,.. even the retards are starting to get it, amazing.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
ozbot: 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1656 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.3701% in 10d 12h 45m 45s
mircea_popescu: time for new retards ?
Duffer1: spring is upon us, the new field of retards will need another month at least to grow
Duffer1: ;seen pankakke
Duffer1: ;;seen pankakke
gribble: I have not seen pankakke.
mircea_popescu: "To understand the change, we need to look at some major factors that affect levels of corporate profitability generally. Businesses in industries with both substantial over-capacity and a “commodity” product (undifferentiated in any customer-important way by factors such as performance, appearance, service support, etc.) are prime candidates for profit troubles. These may be escaped, true, if prices or costs are
mircea_popescu: administered in some manner and thereby insulated at least partially from normal market forces. This administration can be carried out (a) legally through government intervention (until recently, this category included pricing for truckers and deposit costs for financial institutions), (b) illegally through collusion, or (c) “extra-legally” through OPEC-style foreign cartelization (with tag-along benefits for dom
mircea_popescu: estic non-cartel operators).
mircea_popescu: If, however, costs and prices are determined by full-bore competition, there is more than ample capacity, and the buyer cares little about whose product or distribution services he uses, industry economics are almost certain to be unexciting. They may well be disastrous."
mircea_popescu: buffet on the topic of "god forbid the free market works"
Duffer1: "I’m not sure what the implication is here, perhaps that he should be receiving his information from Wikileaks, like the rest of us ? "
Duffer1: deserves an 'oh snap'
mircea_popescu: ohsnap.jpg
Duffer1: did TaT not vet the NEO principles?
ozbot: Calling out the premier scam on Havelock at the moment
ozbot: 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1652 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.2775% in 10d 12h 8m 41s
mircea_popescu: i have no idea.
ThickAsThieves: lol cmon now
ThickAsThieves: yknow the whole coma Danny B was already covered here
ThickAsThieves: they dont even look alike
Duffer1: i haven't kept up with the gossip
Duffer1: how's neo doin btw?
ThickAsThieves: it's 9mo-old gossip that lasted a few hours due to having the same name
mircea_popescu: i've not followed it either. how do they look ?
ozbot: Danny Brewster - Cyprus | LinkedIn
ThickAsThieves: i have no idea if he made that
ThickAsThieves: neo has already committed to professionally prepared quarterly financial reports, so assuming they follow-through, the IPO funds *should* be accounted for
mircea_popescu: ok, so where did he go to school ?
ThickAsThieves: i do not recall
ThickAsThieves: he's not hard to reach
mircea_popescu: well guy can answer in his own time, what's the big deal.
ThickAsThieves: if you have questions
ThickAsThieves: what's the big deal indeed
mircea_popescu: i don't talk privately to nobodies, in general. so he can answer and that's all.
ThickAsThieves: the whole post sound slike something out of a tabloid
LordPutin: that coma incident is wow
ThickAsThieves: yknow neobee isn't the name of the company
ThickAsThieves: just the stock
ThickAsThieves: even so,adding a space fixes your problem
ozbot: Let me google that for you
ThickAsThieves: anywho, you are right, he can defend himself, i'm just pointing out that the accusations are a bit off the wall
mircea_popescu: gives the man the space to shine.
mircea_popescu: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/neo-bee.com < kinda curious how much that weeklong blip cost in fiat terms
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16315 @ 0.00080221 = 13.0881 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: LA TESTIMONIANZA. Me lo conferma Pascal, gigolò romano. “Sono stato contattato da un’imprenditrice svizzera – dice in esclusiva a “Sex and Rome”-. Durante la cena, tra una chiacchiera e l’altra, in attesa di passare dal vino al letto, scopro che anche lei, come me, ha investito nei bitcoin e sfruttato la bolla di marzo”
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.07 = 1.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07000001 = 0.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5686 @ 0.00080464 = 4.5752 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19414 @ 0.0008054 = 15.636 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10385 @ 0.00080208 = 8.3296 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1265 @ 0.00080098 = 1.0132 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06799889 = 0.136 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.07 = 1.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00080361 = 14.0632 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00589005 = 0.3181 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.00588835 = 0.4298 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7798 @ 0.00080521 = 6.279 BTC [+]
davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ready when you are
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 632.5, Best ask: 632.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 632.6, 24 hour volume: 5626.22586279, 24 hour low: 625.29, 24 hour high: 644.0, 24 hour vwap: 632.126883265
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker --eur
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker --curreency eur
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker --currency eur
gribble: Bitstamp BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 454.70425, Best ask: 454.768951, Bid-ask spread: 0.06470, Last trade: 454.77614, 24 hour volume: 5626.14529822, 24 hour low: 449.520981, 24 hour high: 462.9716, 24 hour vwap: 454.436016379
Apocalyptic: I wonder what rates does gribble use for USD/EUR
mircea_popescu: these were bitstamp
mircea_popescu: "A Rational Discussion Medium Focusing on Cryptocurrency, Cryptography and Privacy Claim your bitcointalk.org username on Cryptanalys.is to redeem your free karma today!"
gribble: Time since last block: 3 minutes and 24 seconds
mircea_popescu: moiety is that you ?
mircea_popescu: heh mkay.
peterl: a new bitcoin forum?
mircea_popescu: seems like it
Apocalyptic: I heard goat is building one too
Apocalyptic: tired of driving his lambo it seems
peterl: meh, doesn't impress at first glance
davout: or so i'd hope
ozbot: Meet LittleRedBunny, the Queen of Cam Girls - The Daily Beast
mircea_popescu: teh press at its best
mircea_popescu: "She says that on a typical night on cam she can lose up to five pounds from all the work."
mircea_popescu: fatties have no excuse now.
LordPutin: will mpoer be fired over her blunder re: neo?
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00210539 = 0.9474 BTC [+]
peterl: what blunder is that?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00368799 = 0.1033 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: considering she didn't get fired over her blunder re: pirate, back in 2012, in spite of all the gigavps & co lobbying...
mircea_popescu: seems unlikely.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00080551 = 4.8331 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.60315 = 3.6189 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-]
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty over 5.6B before April
mircea_popescu: if this thing ends up yes...
ozbot: 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1624 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.5522% in 10d 7h 25m 37s
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 5.6 / 4.25
gribble: 1.31764705882
mircea_popescu: not even that impossible.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 4.25 * 1.3 ** 3
gribble: 9.33725
FabianB: $depth X.IDIFF.MAR
mpexbot: FabianB: X.IDIFF.MAR Bids: ['200 @ 0.00290837']
mpexbot: FabianB: Asks: ['50 @ 0.0039', '10 @ 0.00395132', '20 @ 0.00396235', '50 @ 0.00398101', '200 @ 0.0040107']
ozbot: US drone intercepted in Crimean airspace - Russia's state corporation - News - World - The Voice of
asciilifeform: and naturally,
ozbot: Pentagon: Russian Reports Of US Drone Intercepted Over Crimea Are False
mircea_popescu: ah 1970s, i missed you so. welcome back.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: FabianB do you see a way to convert x.idiff prices into bitbet diff bet odds ?
asciilifeform: if the little flying trabant weren't so pathetic, it would be towed through red square on parade.
asciilifeform: perhaps it will appear there anyway.
mircea_popescu: "today on Victories of Socialism : we have caught the other boys' model airplane!!1"
FabianB: not really, but it reminded me there's x.idiff.mar settlement soon
asciilifeform: it's considerably funnier if you remember what makes this particular circus trick possible.
mircea_popescu: FabianB this'd be an interesting project i guess, it's not directly obvious to me how the to prices'd relate
asciilifeform: (american flying machines were originally supposed to use the 'pro' version of 'gps', with crypto authentication. but someone, apparently, absconded with the $, and most of them left the factory with 'consumer' receiver.)
chetty: Missing airliner may have flown on for 7 hours - it gets longer with each new headline
mircea_popescu: chetty maybe it's still fl\ying.
FabianB: problem with idiff is that if you don't know when MKFUT was called you don't know how far it's backed
mircea_popescu: i guess that introduces an extra leg of risk there huh.
mircea_popescu: but still, i'd eventually expect mining to settle down and 2.9x increases over a period to be rare.
FabianB: yeah, far in the future, but now, if mkfut was called on jan 1st, it's only backed till around 29, it would need 45, currently there are asks for 39 which are not bought (probably) coz of the risk they were created early
mircea_popescu: possibly.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.08**13
gribble: 2.71962372616
mircea_popescu: yeah, basically if period increases settle around 8% then it'll be all covered.
FabianB: my guess is they appeared 4 weeks ago and also made at that time, so probably the ones i bought are profitable :)
ozbot: Executive Order -- Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine | T
nubbins`: a national emergency!!
mircea_popescu: so the us is nao a rogue state.
asciilifeform: only now?
chetty: yeah been that way
chetty: I think talking to Ukrainians now warrants confiscation of property
mircea_popescu: cool, hopefully the russians also freeze a buncha us citizen's assets, and fiat truely collapses in a pre-hansa state of disarray
chetty: National emergency lets him declare martial law and all that fun stuff
asciilifeform: chetty: actually the 'state of emergency' is quite old
asciilifeform: afaik, continuously renewed by every u.s. president since carter.
jakov: some countries have been in a "state of emergency" for a decade or so
chetty: true but the powers he is claiming this time are pretty extreme - of course he wont really do any of that .... right
mircea_popescu: now i gotta read this thing
mircea_popescu: FabianB the last exercise closed at 908350862, so if made after dec they'd be covered to ~263421 per neh ?
mircea_popescu: I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, find that the actions and policies of persons -- including persons who have asserted governmental authority in the Crimean region without the authorization of the Government of Ukraine -- that undermine democratic processes and institutions in Ukraine; threaten its peace, security, stability, sovereignty, and territorial integrity; and contribute to the misapp
mircea_popescu: ropriation of its assets, constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States, and I hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat.
mircea_popescu: pretty fucking epic.
mircea_popescu: "(v) to be owned or controlled by, or to have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order. "
asciilifeform: incidentally, this is how boddy fischer became a fugitive from the u.s.
mircea_popescu: that includes lawyers ?
asciilifeform: *bobby fischer
asciilifeform: if anyone remembers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14476 @ 0.00080155 = 11.6032 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "(b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section apply except to the extent provided by statutes, or in regulations, orders, directives, or licenses that may be issued pursuant to this order, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted prior to the effective date of this order. "
asciilifeform: afaik it was because of a similar proclamation by clinton
mircea_popescu: "we won't keep our word as to what we have promised in the past
mircea_popescu: and we don't intend to keep our word given here as to not keeping our word either"
mircea_popescu: total liar's instrument this shti.
chetty: typical
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1407 @ 0.00080155 = 1.1278 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: " I hereby determine that the making of donations of the type of articles specified in section 203(b)(2) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2)) by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to section 1 of this order would seriously impair my ability to deal with the national emergency declared in this order, and I hereby prohibit such donations as provided by section 1
mircea_popescu: of this order. "
mircea_popescu: check it, the us president thinks has the authority to forbide donations ?!
asciilifeform: the funny part is that none of this shit is new
asciilifeform: whole thing probably was an ms-word template left over from '90s
mircea_popescu: "For those persons whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order who might have a constitutional presence in the United States, I find that because of the ability to transfer funds or other assets instantaneously, prior notice to such persons of measures to be taken pursuant to this order would render those measures ineffectual. I therefore determine that for these measures to be effective
mircea_popescu: in addressing the national emergency declared in this order, there need be no prior notice of a listing or determination made pursuant to section 1 of this order. "
mircea_popescu: "This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person. "
mircea_popescu: very lulzy.
mircea_popescu: so basically... the us has no law, fuggedaboutit.
mircea_popescu: from now on the correct response to anyone asking if some bitcoin corp is "licensed" or "incorporated" or legally operating within the us is simply pointing out that there exists no such thing as a united states jurisdiction, robber baron claims notwithstanding.
asciilifeform: u.s. has been ruled by decree, openly, since fdr.
asciilifeform: to whom is this a secret?
mircea_popescu: to anyone who doesn't much give a shit about the us, i would guess.
chetty: Some days it is more 'in your face' than others
mircea_popescu: funny what juju that clown thinks he has, seriously.
mircea_popescu: no moar mental hospitals in the us ?
asciilifeform: no worries, i suspect they'll reopen soon.
asciilifeform: betcha my bed is already reserved.
asciilifeform: 'вялотекущая шизофрения'
mircea_popescu: im at a loss as to what exact tumbleweeds need to be rolling around in one's skull for the notion to form that any one of those paragraphs is something he can come up with.
asciilifeform: or something in that spirit.
asciilifeform: exactly that
mircea_popescu: that's okay, your schizophrenia isn't sluggish at all :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for the notion to form that any one of those paragraphs is something he can << past presidents have signed nearly identical proclamations, and they were enforced.
mircea_popescu: you know, if some fuckwit comes out and declares he can shit cake,
mircea_popescu: whether he subsequently shits cake or not, the proposition is still laughable.
asciilifeform: nah, the way it works is, he 'shits cake', and everybody eats at gunpoint.
mircea_popescu: this ain't empiricism over here.
asciilifeform: and woe be unto any who won't delight in the chocolate flavour.
mircea_popescu: because why ?
asciilifeform: well, most of the folks at the table never smelled actual cake
asciilifeform: to them, cake is this special confection that emerges from the fuhrer's arse.
mircea_popescu: such brave new world.
asciilifeform: old, old world. nobody switched off the 20th c.
chetty: Let it be written, let it be done. (goes back a long time)
peterl: This whole thing makes me angry to be an American, unfortunately the current government would respond violently to threats of secession
FabianB: mircea_popescu: (regarding idfiff) yes, but my guess is they weren't created directly after last excercise, probably in february, but who knows
ThickAsThieves: interesting, if not obvious, stat I heard: 85% of new businesses in the US are started by immigrants or their children
mircea_popescu: FabianB makes no diff tho, it's not prorated by days
mircea_popescu: it's just by periods, 2.9^intervals.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves afaik it was 50%
FabianB: uh, then i got that wrong
ThickAsThieves: well i got this info from Shark Tank sooo
mircea_popescu: by the way - today's the absolute last day to get in the april conference,
ozbot: The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: mjr didja ever sort it out ?
ThickAsThieves: i talked to him like yesterday and he said he was gonna try, not sure if he realized how close the deadline was or not
mircea_popescu: if i recall he got well plastered clubbing last time, mebbe the lady objects.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.0058561 = 0.3631 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: for some reason i doubt he has a "going concern"
mircea_popescu: anywya, mike_c is the winner of the little unofficial competition "who gets the lowest btc invite"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: "i would like to know how long (aprox) takes one day in your country?"
mircea_popescu: wait wut ?
ThickAsThieves: basically idiot/genius asking where is div is from Garr
mircea_popescu: so many forums
mircea_popescu: "Was trusted" around here in the past. You lost trust months ago and it will take months if not longer to get it back.
mircea_popescu: sums it up just about
ThickAsThieves: "HP TippingPoint's Pwn2Own competition netted researchers $850,000 as all the major browsers – Chrome, Safari, Internet Explorer and Firefox – fell to attacks within the 30-minute timeframe for each, along with Flash. Only Java held up to the time-limited attacks, although researchers attempting to crack Oracle's code did come up with some interesting techniques that just took too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 1.74996505 BTC to 128`015 shares, 1367 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: opera conspicuously absent
ThickAsThieves: maybe they just dont want to advertise them?
ozbot: Seven dead as job seekers stampede at Nigerian stadium | Capital News
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.28661130 BTC to 3`865 shares, 59162 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10131 @ 0.00080138 = 8.1188 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5769 @ 0.00080011 = 4.6158 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Karzai says US troops can leave Afghanistan - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
ThickAsThieves: "gtfo bro"
tim-tams: ;;seen bingoboingo
gribble: bingoboingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 19 hours, 4 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> tim-tams: Unstyled html lists and tables are the new marble columns and granite steps
mircea_popescu: "All 10 presidential candidates for the April 5 election have said they would sign the security agreement if elected. But Karzai does not want his legacy to include a commitment to extending a foreign military presence."
mircea_popescu: pretty good.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 815 @ 0.003499 = 2.8517 BTC [-] {18}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 814 @ 0.00335586 = 2.7317 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.0058561 = 0.1054 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.005891 = 0.2415 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00330001 = 0.231 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 310 @ 0.00324354 = 1.0055 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00321374 = 0.2571 BTC [-] {6}
moiety: mircea_popescu: mew! sorry i passed out and forgot to put this off. had to sleep off potential hangover before babysitting a giveaway today to preserve calmness. Nope, that's not me... is that >thing< supposed to be a forum?!
mircea_popescu: i have no idea.
moiety: looks like a list of timestamped shit to me
mircea_popescu: you... passed out ? what, drinking ?
moiety: maybe >.>
moiety: i don't drink often so i get a bit affected >.>
moiety: MALE
moiety: it is right?
kakobrekla: its a trap, its female
moiety: wtf
moiety: poor girl, i would chuckmyself under a train
ThickAsThieves: probly a dancer of some sort
mircea_popescu: looks more like a shaved doberman tbh
moiety: LOLOL
moiety: i shouldn't eat while i'm reading this lol i almost choke quite frequently
mircea_popescu: don't pass out.
moiety: lol it was silly o'clock in the morning when i did
mircea_popescu: "hello we have no idea what r u doing"
moiety: LOL whyyyy?
moiety: i don't either!
mircea_popescu: they're getting ready to play
mircea_popescu: DOBERBALL
moiety: you should see the beach matches!
moiety: btw re the education thing... you see they are thinking on fiddling with medical education?
moiety: i.e. how long it takes to become a doctor
moiety: i.e. shortening it from 14 years
mircea_popescu: need more cheaper doctors.
moiety: i.e. doctors with less debt but also less knowledge
Mats_cd03: .bait
moiety: we had a locum from spain that almost killed everyone because they were trying to savemoney
Mats_cd03: .bait
moiety: he didnt have a clue whathe was doing
moiety: whats up with the firstone's face? is that a dude too?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1331 @ 0.000147 = 0.1957 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: kinda unisex features but not really androgynous
moiety: totally! i think its a makeup mask
mircea_popescu: o hey just what i needed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05398999 = 0.108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00080543 = 17.1557 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: sorry i thought it was pretty cool
mircea_popescu: no it is. i'm teaching a slavegirl basic trig
mircea_popescu: and i don't think she really groked the circle thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]
moiety: is there much trig in slavery?
mircea_popescu: slaves gotta know errything
moiety: i fancied setting up a digital geisha type affair
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as the flesh trade goes, nothing beats the flesh itself.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, bbl, gotta attend to... things.
moiety: pet the dog! see you have a ood day :)
moiety: good*
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00213452 = 0.9605 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00211875 = 0.9534 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05398999 = 0.162 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06766666 = 0.203 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.069 = 0.414 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1326 @ 0.00366119 = 4.8547 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05398 = 0.4858 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05150111 = 0.4635 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.069 = 0.345 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0515004 = 0.2575 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.069 = 0.69 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0515 = 0.2575 BTC [-]
davout: !t x.eur
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
davout: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
davout: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00210539 / 0.00211955 / 0.00213452 (1350 shares, 2.86 BTC), 7D: 0.0019005 / 0.00205257 / 0.00213452 (2068 shares, 4.24 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00207896 / 0.00226762 (8527 shares, 17.73 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00080608 = 5.8844 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04950002 = 0.198 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34439 @ 0.00080351 = 27.6721 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 24 @ 0.00438999 = 0.1054 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.069 = 0.207 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00359999 = 0.1476 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00015 = 0.225 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.0036 = 0.1512 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00080608 = 6.9726 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1031 @ 0.00080638 = 0.8314 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23345 @ 0.00080638 = 18.8249 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.069 = 0.69 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.00361997 = 0.3149 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 124 @ 0.003625 = 0.4495 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 194 @ 0.00342695 = 0.6648 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0505 = 0.404 BTC [+]
moiety: i think someones maybe just fucked over my site :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.05133527 = 0.8727 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62179889 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.069 = 0.207 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62179889 = 1.2436 BTC [+]
moiety: scrap that i think im just being paranoid
Apocalyptic: moiety, what's your site ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8987 @ 0.00080301 = 7.2167 BTC [-]
moiety: cant tell you or assets will implode. its doge. but i thought someone compromised it but i think im being silly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.00478 = 0.1195 BTC [+]
moiety breathes
moiety: 200k tips = suspicious me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.62179889 = 6.218 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.11950724 = 0.9561 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0519995 = 0.208 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: Apocalyptic: sorry that appeared really rude, i just know how it's felt about in here lol dogechat.net its just coinchat reloaded with doge-ites
Apocalyptic: oh yeah I think you mentionned it a while back
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62179889 = 1.2436 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.0059 = 0.3953 BTC [+]
moiety: @savethemhood just appeared and tipped massive amounts and freaked me out. its a super young twitter too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.00599148 = 0.5392 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62179889 = 3.109 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00359998 = 0.3168 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00080645 = 1.6129 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00359988 = 0.162 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0525 = 0.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06949999 = 0.695 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6369 @ 0.00080179 = 5.1066 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00080646 = 7.3388 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62165999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0525 = 0.105 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0695 = 0.3475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.0008022 = 8.022 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1111 @ 0.00088977 = 0.9885 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 29 @ 0.05282757 = 1.532 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.05395555 = 0.5396 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.06700004 = 0.268 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0645 = 0.129 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05050051 = 0.101 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.006 = 0.282 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: davout :
mircea_popescu: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00210539 / 0.00211955 / 0.00213452 (1350 shares, 2.86 BTC), 7D: 0.0019005 / 0.00205257 / 0.00213452 (2068 shares, 4.24 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00207896 / 0.00226762 (8527 shares, 17.73 BTC)
mircea_popescu: $vwap x.eur
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: X.EUR 1 day: average: 0.00211955 high: 0.00213452 low: 0.00210539 volume: 1350 btc: 2.861397 7 day: average: 0.00205258 high: 0.00213452 low: 0.0019005 volume: 2068 btc: 4.24473452 30 day: average: 0.00207897 high: 0.00226762 low: 0.0019005 volume: 8527 btc: 17.72735166
mircea_popescu: $depth x.eur
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: X.EUR Bids: ['450 @ 0.00212846', '2400 @ 0.0019005', '200 @ 0.00170512', '500 @ 0.00169213', '4200 @ 0.0016245']
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['450 @ 0.00213452', '450 @ 0.00220629', '432 @ 0.0025']
mircea_popescu: wao-ender i guess they'll call a general mobilisation again
mircea_popescu: maybe this time a different 1% shows
mircea_popescu: do it 50 times, it almost gets to strength.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06825 = 0.6825 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.053939 = 0.1079 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.0008022 = 5.6956 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.052 = 0.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06822001 = 0.2047 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 281 @ 0.00212846 = 0.5981 BTC [+]
KRS-One: .bait
KRS-One: how many times have we known old men like that lol
ozbot: The Bitcoin network costs nearly $1 billion a year to run. : Bitcoin
Dimsler: discuss
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05333326 = 0.16 BTC [+] {3}
tim-tams: ;;gettrust majinx
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user tim-tams to user majinx: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 10 via 9 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=tim-tams&dest=majinx | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=majinx | Rated since: Tue Jul 3 13:05:15 2012
mircea_popescu: no price is too high.
lnovy: price is too damn high!
Dimsler: mircea_popescu,
ozbot: The Bitcoin network costs nearly $1 billion a year to run. : Bitcoin
Dimsler: the real fatal flaw to bitcoin
Dimsler: is the distribution of new coins
Dimsler: and network costs
lnovy: electricity burned is almost directly transformed into network security which more or less directly affects price. The real problem and wasting is not with distributed mining but with nondistributed chain verification as this needs to be done by every participant indepently and every new member of network need to check whole chain. This is a problem that will kill ethereum very quicky as you are actually not paying transaction fee for inclusion i
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.11950724 = 0.9561 BTC [-]
lnovy: I'm trying to fix this in my coin, releasing asap™ (and no, it's not a currency).
Dimsler: can i premine it?
Dimsler: lol
lnovy: it's will not be a storage of value, so feel free, but it's doomed to fail anyway, it's only a proof of concept same as huntercoin :)
lnovy: still... it will be a jaw dropper, you can bet on it
MisterE: if you want to fix the problem force miners to reclaim wasted heat
lnovy: that problem will fix itselfs by the market...
dub: whats amex opex like?
MisterE: so ahy hasn't it
lnovy: amex opex of what?
mircea_popescu: Dimsler if oyu say so.
mircea_popescu: dub american express does options nao ?
lnovy: oh, this amex :D
dub: ok so amex spent 2.8b opex last year
dub: they are fairly small as payment processors go right?
dub: Dimsler can parrot failed trollmemes all he likes
dub: wait, that might quarterly
Dimsler: well no
Dimsler: its a serious flaw
mircea_popescu: dub amex is one of the majors.
dub: smaller than visa and mc tho
mircea_popescu: nah larger. 33bn/8bn vs 10/2bn for visa
mircea_popescu: roughly same for mc, slighly lower, something like that.
dub: probably significantly skewed
mircea_popescu: amex actually employs like... twice as many ppl as mc/visa combined or some shit.
mircea_popescu: it's huge.
cazalla: why do t hey need that many employees?
lnovy: that reddit post kills itself in first two lines... it's like saying that cost of running banking system is equivalent to amount of fiat printed...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00080132 = 13.7026 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: da fuck do i know. better ask chenault
mircea_popescu: or w/e is the ceo by now
dub: probably to process a reciept for every bullet the USG buys
mircea_popescu: fuck me it's still chenault
mircea_popescu: he's in there since before greenspan o.o
dub: anyway having a tiny fraction of the costs of incumbents sure sounds like a serious flaw
dub: a Real Problem in the john kerry sense
mircea_popescu: a kerriblem
mircea_popescu: there's problems, see, and pros solve problems. then there's kerriblems, and kerry solves those.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6101 BTC [-]
lnovy: John Kerry is the problem, not the solution
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00599999 = 0.12 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: Amex is operating in the stone age
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: apparently stone age is profitable enough.
dub: a US megacorp i worked for pushed an innordinant amount of what should have been internal txns out to amex
mircea_popescu: dub primitive blockchain
dub: expect there is a lot of that going on, why run lean?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00080117 = 9.7743 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: turns out trusting the usg isn't a workable policy. who knew.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5027 @ 0.00080587 = 4.0511 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8123 @ 0.000807 = 6.5553 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6101 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00080192 = 10.6254 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00359989 = 0.1008 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00080713 = 15.739 BTC [+] {2}
MisterE: "OMG please stop"
MisterE: lol
Diablo-D3: [10:02:38] <dub> a US megacorp i worked for pushed an innordinant amount of what should have been internal txns out to amex
MisterE: yea I caught that too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7287 @ 0.00080743 = 5.8837 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00359989 = 0.1476 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00080748 = 20.3081 BTC [+] {2}
Neil: Nobody's being forced to run the bitcoin network, hence no problem.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0035 = 0.875 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.006 = 0.24 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Neil you'll be surprised by how creatively "forced" can be interpreted by politics, in either direction.
mircea_popescu: "nobody is forced to talk to the da", as exemplified by my earlier link, for one side of the coin. "wage slavery" equals forcing people to x y z on the other.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 395 @ 0.006 = 2.37 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: there's ample caselaw showing both the "putting a gun to your head does not constitute forcing you" argument and the "minding your own business and cultivating your own field amounts to forcing other people" argument.
mircea_popescu: "Other things being equal, the highest stock market prices relative to intrinsic business value are given to companies whose managers have demonstrated their unwillingness to issue shares at any time on terms unfavorable to the owners of the business."
ozbot: Chairman's Letter - 1982
dub: Diablo-D3: wat wat
Diablo-D3: dub: how does that even happen
dub: meh its too hard to explain how the world works to someone thats never had a job
Diablo-D3: dub: what was the outcome of this
dub: of what
Diablo-D3: of that mistake
ozbot: Legitimate Wager: 300 Bitcoins vs. 1 Class A Share of Berkshire Hathaway : Bitcoin
dub: im not following you
Diablo-D3: dub: what happened when the corp send the internal txns to amex
jcpham: apparently he backed out of class A shares
dub: Diablo-D3: nothing, its BAU.. I was offering a reason for why amex is 'larger' than processors with more footprint
Diablo-D3: thought maybe amex got pissed or something
mircea_popescu: was it that ?
ozbot: BitBet - Berkshire Hathaway BRK-A will close at over $185k per share before July
mircea_popescu: haha look at that, reddit generates 200 comments worth 20k words for a 0.25 btc wager.
mircea_popescu: the wear&tear on the cheap chiense keyboards involved probably exceeds that figure.
dub: how much energy does reddit waste?
dub: thats a real problem
dub: if we ground up all the redditors and rendered them down for biomass..
mircea_popescu: you don't understand, they're making the world a better place.
mircea_popescu: if it wasn't for reddit you'd probably still be killing animals for meat
dub: we could at least run bitconi for a year and the world would only be half as retarded
mircea_popescu: and like... who knows what other perversions. talking to girls prolly.
dub: mom is girl tho rite?
mircea_popescu: only if trampstamped.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00080653 = 12.5415 BTC [-]
dub: theres an alt concept for you. BitKony (2014)
jcpham: i found it funny he posted a reddit thread about putting your money where your mouth is....
jcpham: it's looks like 2 people took him up on it
jcpham: and suddenly he had no A, only B shares
jcpham: pretty terrible bet if you ask me
MisterE: Buffet doesnt get BTC
Mats_cd03: he has the one share i imagine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00080653 = 0.4033 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00600001 = 0.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0645 = 0.258 BTC [-]
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