#trilema | 2014-03-08

dexX7_: why is it a thing what the foundation does or not does? i don't think they are in duty and they seem to do a lot of lobby work which i think is a good thing

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mircea_popescu: aite, be back a little later.

mircea_popescu: don't find satoshi while i'm gone yo!

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ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5486409;topicseen#new Dr Greg loses some investor money cuz icbit/gox

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ThickAsThieves: or maybe he just needed some new shoes

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asciilifeform: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370-3220170

ozbot: Missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370: Passenger on board missing Jet carrying 239 people 'was usi

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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so is it in korea ? :D

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well at least he didn't lose it on the scientology of bitcoin

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: damned if i know - i didn't meacon it

mircea_popescu: would be funny if it turns out this is how the greatest leader that ever was picks up nowadays

mircea_popescu: by the planefull.

asciilifeform: seems unlikely that NK would steal a box full of chinese

mircea_popescu: lmao

mircea_popescu: indeed, but it's fucking comedy gold

asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts, the fish ate well that day.

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mircea_popescu: yeah, pretty much the safe bet.

asciilifeform: linked 'mirror' piece claims a fellow with a nicked passport aboard.

asciilifeform: incidentally, not much has been spoken in public about the remote control mandatory on u.s.-made aircraft built since '9/11'

asciilifeform: (all the fat 'flying bus' machines are fly-by-wire, it's a mere firmware patch)

mircea_popescu: well... notrly wire.

mircea_popescu: but anyway, this notion that you can (or should) fly commercial from the cockpit is nonsense in the first place, and was on the out since at least the 60s

mircea_popescu: graveyard spiral et all.

asciilifeform: forget airplanes, they put drivers back (!) on the wash. d.c. metro trains.

asciilifeform: 'by popular demand'

mircea_popescu: lol to do what

asciilifeform: herd isn't ready to be herded by loudspeaker yet

asciilifeform: they... open and close doors, mostly.

mircea_popescu: so what is the driver doing ?

mircea_popescu: lmao

mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Guam2.ogv

mircea_popescu: this is some pretty epic shit btw

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mircea_popescu: lucky the ukraine thing didn't happen in winter btw, or else it'd have been quite literal cold war.

asciilifeform: just as the ancients like to schedule planned wars in the warm season...

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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/razlet-thought-on-the-topic-of-size-and-fitting/

ozbot: Razlet thought on the topic of size and fitting pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

ThickAsThieves: aka - mp had sex with a midget

mircea_popescu: lol

ThickAsThieves: you kinda make a pretty big leap from razlet to dog sizes

mircea_popescu: kinda the nature of the beast

mircea_popescu: i mean, word.

mircea_popescu: http://www.activistpost.com/2014/03/8-events-that-prove-your-money-is-not.html

ozbot: Activist Post: 8 Events That Prove Your Money Is Not Safe In Europe, Or Anywhere

mircea_popescu: for the choir.

bitcoinpete: do-re-mi-fa-so-la-ti-do-allo

ThickAsThieves: so if EU is shit, US is shit, where to go?

bitcoinpete: any thoughts here on jeff berwick?

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ThickAsThieves: btw designers already can't handle different sized humans. I'm only 6'2" and can't fit properly into most cars

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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves la serenissima.

mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete hes the guy with the galt gulch project neh ?

nubbins` shakes head

mircea_popescu: i'd guess the reaction is kinda lukewarm

nubbins`: there was a post on the forums last year about some guy making "bitcoin town"

nubbins`: he waited til around the tenth paragraph before he mentioned the forced ingestion of nootropics

mircea_popescu: what are those ?

bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu Ya, that's him alright. Also from my hometown incidentally.

bitcoinpete: Brain drugs, iirc

nubbins`: ^

nubbins`: new thread, less cruft before you get to the meat: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=224478.0

mircea_popescu: why not just use the brain ?

bitcoinpete: it's expensive to do so

nubbins`: "Bitcoin town will work to protect, promote & repair the mental health of any willing citizens ... And we will work to be at the forefront of Neurogenesis and Synaptogenesis research."

mircea_popescu: aww, no qc ?

mircea_popescu: sucks.

nubbins`: next thing he's talking about datura and sweat lodges

mircea_popescu: it could have been right out of Master of Orion, this research

asciilifeform: powered by Amazing Phree Energy Overunity Drive!

[\]: balls

nubbins`: WHERE?!

ThickAsThieves: is la serenissima a fancy way of saying world's smallest violin?

[\]: nubbins`, I know of a couple but you can't have them.

nubbins`: heh

mircea_popescu: http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z314/Xenogears_of_Bore/orion_113.png

[\]: So I read through the pirate docs...

[\]: why didn't anyone tell me that I got fully repaid?

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves http://trilema.com/2014/the-most-serene-republic-and-its-laws/

[\]: to think this whole time I got screwed

mircea_popescu: it's this mystical re-enactment of the venetian republic.

mircea_popescu: [\\\] people wanted you to have a nice surprise on mother's day.

mircea_popescu: so there you go.

[\]: but I'm not a mother

mircea_popescu: so you think.

mircea_popescu: SURPRISE

[\]: hot damn

mircea_popescu: wait, how the fuck is us mother's day on may 11th ?

mircea_popescu: that'

mircea_popescu: s dynasty day

mircea_popescu: real mother's day is march 8th

peterl: depends on where you live?

mircea_popescu: heresy

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[\]: is there anywhere but the USA?

peterl: I've only been places in the USA, so the rest of the world must not exist!

peterl: wait, no, I've been to Canada, but that's just about the same thing

mircea_popescu: that's how they came up with rome wisconsin

mircea_popescu: and also what put the new in new york

peterl: Which is bigger, York or New York?

mircea_popescu: york lol

mircea_popescu: ot

mircea_popescu: it's like 10k sqkm or some shit

mircea_popescu: largest county in england

mircea_popescu: "There are thousands of acres of in BC Canada that are owned by the Queen of England....If we squat there drill some wells and plant some trees. Do you really think the Queen is going to bring us an eviction notice or force us off the land with military force?"

mircea_popescu: umm.... yes ?

mircea_popescu: that thread on the neoweirdos delivers.

mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=224478.msg2385486#msg2385486

ozbot: Let's Build a Town, Bitcoin Town

mircea_popescu: that's the clincher

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminiscent of this famous crackpot gem: http://www.iiicitadel.com

mircea_popescu: The Citadel is evolving as a planned community where residents are bound together by:

mircea_popescu: Patriotism

mircea_popescu: Pride in American Exceptionalism

mircea_popescu: what srsly ?

mircea_popescu: someone somewhere actually believes that *us people* are anything but exceptionally stupid nao ?!

mircea_popescu: i guess the very essex-looking walltower kinda makes the point better than 10k words

asciilifeform: clip art.

mircea_popescu: "i am proud of these unrelated people's feudal architecture!"

asciilifeform: afaik there's no tower, just a dirtbag with a sack of $

asciilifeform: from chumpers

mircea_popescu: HOUSING DETAILS: All homes will be built of poured concrete for exceptional strength and durability.

mircea_popescu: god help me

mircea_popescu: "live in a premodern jail!"

mircea_popescu: "Your home will be built to your specs (details available at this website) with utilities stubbed to the interior. You select the facade for the exterior of your home. You are responsible for completing the interior of your home as you wish. You may choose to do the work yourself, or hire contractors. But every single detail, from paint to tiles to counters, is your choice."

mircea_popescu: how about my choice of not living in a carved up rock ?

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asciilifeform: as far as i could tell, the thing is/was some combo of a usg honeypot and straight 'jam tomorrow, not today' chumpatron.

mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record, the same exact situation is the case in romania

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mircea_popescu: except you also get the choice to make a brick-in-concrete pillars with poured concrete foundation and wood roofing house,

mircea_popescu: like sane people.

mircea_popescu: and you can even use microcellular concrete or w/e you call it in english

asciilifeform: best part:

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asciilifeform: 'The Citadel is not designed to withstand any direct .Mil or .Gov attack. Nor is the Citadel, in any manner, attempting to provoke any government entity.'

mircea_popescu: "we just called it the citadel because the outhouse was taken

mircea_popescu: anyway, how would one design buildings to "withstand" direct military attacks ? use an abandoned salt mine or something ?

chetty_: hey lets round ourselves up, save them moving us to the reservation (brave new world)

asciilifeform: this particular crock of shit isn't even an especially convincing one - just illustrative of the concept.

mircea_popescu: "all rooves are poured rebared concrete 10 meter thick"

mircea_popescu: "and if they make bigger bunker busters, we'll just pour more concrete"

asciilifeform: mice do so love cheese. but, afaik, this particular trap remains empty. paper chumpatron.

mircea_popescu: "We actually hope to make a local restaurant and turn it into a national franchise"

mircea_popescu: o hey, we'll be just like the amish, except suckier and without tradition

mircea_popescu: "we need to go to each church and offer them contracts to not be churches any more"

mircea_popescu: oh this shit is so great.

asciilifeform: wait what. last i checked, the only planned industry was small arms.

mircea_popescu: thank you people finding me great shit to read!

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im still digesting the earlier forum thing

asciilifeform: aha

mircea_popescu: "it's illegal to manufacture guns"

mircea_popescu: these are roughly the ows demo

mircea_popescu: "You have to work if you want a share of communal food"

mircea_popescu: "hey, can i be a stripper ?"

asciilifeform: wouldn't it be neat to somehow throw these folks into the same pit ?

asciilifeform: ows vs. citadel 'in a cage'

mircea_popescu: they wouldn't fight

mircea_popescu: because, obviously, they're above it

mircea_popescu: what they'd do is what they currently do in the shitty pits they inhabit (starbucks et atll)

mircea_popescu: give each other looks and mash the phone kbds

[\]: thanks for the lol

[\]: you should start charging for invites to this channel

mircea_popescu: eh, let there be communism of lol.

mircea_popescu: to each according to his lolpacity.

KRS-One: teh lolpacity of the fapacity...let there be fap.

KRS-One: .bait

ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6npeuuTNh1rrcfz6o1_1280.jpg

mircea_popescu: why does your fapstuff suck so ?

mircea_popescu: here : http://31.media.tumblr.com/aa28daf7909e253da62b698548678cd8/tumblr_mzceju0MAX1s9ip0zo1_1280.jpg

mircea_popescu: and http://25.media.tumblr.com/4ebda24364f060f2f1c5ff1306e2d02f/tumblr_mzfqpuDIeu1ro88meo1_1280.jpg

mircea_popescu: and http://31.media.tumblr.com/326e50ab860e91ce34bca0af66564d5b/tumblr_mzd9xpjAmS1rwpxplo1_500.jpg

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KRS-One: idk =/

KRS-One: I try really hard.

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KRS-One: Heh that first bitch looks fun..And free.

mircea_popescu: good women usually do.

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KRS-One: That guy who has her in bonds totally reminds me of a friend of mine who would do that.

mircea_popescu: http://www.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/copyrightWrapper/watermark.php?display=true&image=http://bp.uuuploads.com/worst-book-covers-titles/worst-book-covers-titles-7.jpg

KRS-One: I think its Ozbot..not me.

KRS-One: Trust me, k..I can fap.

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KRS-One: Ok ozbot..no fucking around. Gimme a good one.

KRS-One tweaks ozbot.

KRS-One: .bait

ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7bd8jmsWj1ru145yo1_500.jpg

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KRS-One: HAH Shrem and Karpelese coindesk 'coined' bromance.

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the20year2: is mpoe t he best btc:usd short?

mircea_popescu: why not something like x.eur ?

mircea_popescu: you can add a eur/usd leg or w/e

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bitcoinpete: Wondering if I should be trusting bitaddress.org… Anyone else use it?

mircea_popescu: js mouse based "entropy" ? tis shitty.

asciilifeform: hahaha

mircea_popescu: i mean fun project, but shitty.

asciilifeform: bonus points for using a radio mouse.

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bitcoinpete: hmm even on offline comp eh?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it conveniently dots the screen, so no need for radio mouse

mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete just generate entropy the traditional way.

bitcoinpete: dictionary…?

mircea_popescu: gimmicks are fun for a computing project in computer class,

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mircea_popescu: if the worst comes to worse, http://trilema.com/2012/romanian-dicelist/

bitcoinpete: ty

bitcoinpete: It's time to start playing grown-up

bitcoinpete: for me

mircea_popescu: cool.

bitcoinpete: lots of good reading on thelastpsychiatrist btw. keepin' me busy

mircea_popescu: yeah i love him.

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/when-did-the-2007-banking-crisis-start-how-about-1985/

ozbot: When did the 2007 banking crisis start ? How about 1985. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

bitcoinpete: on a writing roll today!

mircea_popescu: crazy so far.

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moiety: mew

moiety: asciilifeform asciilifeform I've come to terms with the giant manul not actually being giant (how did i not see that?!) .. decided we need to find someone proficient in GM to make it happen though

mircea_popescu: genetic modification ?

asciilifeform: moiety: once read a curious work on feline hybrids

moiety: yep

moiety: i know some have human blood today

asciilifeform: moiety: which suggested that, technically, there might only be a few distinct species of cat, in the sense of 'able to cross-breed'

asciilifeform: moiety: virtually all of the 'felis' genus has been cross-bred, across the board, and likewise 'panthera'

mircea_popescu: Here's something to quote at the Dr. Gregs of Bitcoin finance : "Inevitably, of course, business errors will occur and the wise manager will try to find the proper lessons in them. But the trick is to learn most lessons from the experiences of others. Managers who have learned much from personal experience in the past usually are destined to learn much from personal experience in the future."

moiety: even manul had to have been cross bred at some point

moiety: mircea_popescu: i thought this was real http://i.imgur.com/kvzzZn9.png it needs to be. In fact, it should replace your horse

asciilifeform: moiety: the original version of that had a caption: 'do you still want to dodge the [russian] draft?'

mircea_popescu: i only ride cats that shave.

moiety: LOLOL imagine how much more confy this one would be

moiety: comfy*

moiety: one more derp and i shall leave you in peace... can i ask a laser derp asciilifeform ?

asciilifeform: moiety: http://www.fotomage.com/giant-hybrid-cats

asciilifeform: moiety: sure

moiety: ligers are interesting, they can't breed i was under the impression

moiety: ok lasers, i aw a purple laser for the first time (side note of epic btw) and the site said, "comes into its own during a lunar eclipse." is there something actually in that because its purple or is that just a gimmick?

bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: the banking crisis piece is on the talebian money. history doesn't repeat itself but it does rhyme. house=louse

asciilifeform: moiety: lasers used for circus purposes (draw picture in the air via persistence of vision) rely on 'rayleigh scattering'

asciilifeform: that is, the fact that air is not perfectly transparent

moiety: so just any laser is going to look better during an eclipse?

asciilifeform: yes

moiety: kk

mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete i will take the other end of that view : it's unfair to make the blind the designated drivers of your bar hopping party

asciilifeform: especially ones of non-'ideal' colours

moiety: i still want one

asciilifeform: (that is, far from green)

mircea_popescu: it is equally unfair, and quite callous, to sign up for mortgages idiots whi ocan't afford them

bitcoinpete: or to tell them that they aren't men/adults/people w/o a mortgage

mircea_popescu: and so on.

moiety: thank you asciilifeform!

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://core.kmi.open.ac.uk/display/199266

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'The answer lies in the sewers'

bitcoinpete: 400 million people weren't brought to North America for their shrewdness, just their escapism

asciilifeform: tldr version: there is a multitude of idiots. they have to be housed somewhere. or, they can be allowed to live in their own filth, like capt. aguilera suggested.

asciilifeform: but this too has costs.

mircea_popescu: they were housed somewhere at the time the clinton binge begun

asciilifeform: there were somewhat fewer of them. and more wealthy older generation to mooch from.

mircea_popescu: i suppose in its own contorted, braindamaged way, the left was preparing for the future.

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moiety: i knew a girl that managed to get a mortgage working at walmart, i had no chance working nhs

asciilifeform: americans won't build хрущобаs, so they're stuck doing weird in-betweens.

mircea_popescu: moiety was she black ?

moiety: mircea_popescu: on the inside

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but ofcourse they do

mircea_popescu: http://ei.marketwatch.com/Multimedia/2011/06/14/Photos/MG/MW-AK786_homes__20110614143858_MG.jpg?uuid=9db88848-96b5-11e0-b7fe-002128049ad6

mircea_popescu: what do you think that is.

asciilifeform: plywood box

mircea_popescu: i don't think they still use wood

mircea_popescu: i think it's vinyl and recycled pet

asciilifeform: designed to stand up for ~2 decades, in good weather.

mircea_popescu: something like that.

asciilifeform: the 'secret' (not much of one) is that they deliberately build ultra-low-density housing in 'white' sectors, to keep it expensive.

asciilifeform: this is how the wool is trimmed from the relatively well-paid folks in u.s.

KRS-One: lol this shit is getting thick https://twitter.com/threebitidiot

mircea_popescu: is this one ALSO a vc and entreprteneur who thinks himself well known ?

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mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/6c57c112eefac0d9df5fb12d7208bdc7/tumblr_mvyq0mD6MQ1s3c388o1_500.jpg

asciilifeform: unrelated,

asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/asnpvjM.gif

mircea_popescu: ahahaha kickass guy

mircea_popescu: actually spider legs is probably the best solution for robots.

asciilifeform: i've suggested it as 'landing gear' for flying bots, to diametric (who built an example of each at one point)

asciilifeform: then flyer can be quasi-autonomous (land on roofs, otherwise inaccessible places, etc. to recharge via photovoltaics sometimes)

mircea_popescu: yup, that'd work too

asciilifeform: landing gear for a serious flyer more or less has to be arachnoid, to handle non-ideal surfaces

asciilifeform: like treetops

asciilifeform: hobbyists very often lose their machines when it lands in any direction but props-upward

asciilifeform: circuit which turns the panels to face the sun must be independent of the rest of the machine

asciilifeform: for obvious reasons

moiety: pet lasers?! beats the purple one hands down!

mircea_popescu: moiety just think, one could code that thing to bother cats

mircea_popescu: the catsterminator

asciilifeform: one could handily build an approximation of the pictured toy from the guts of five or six 'steerable' webcams.

moiety: mircea_popescu: Plan! I appear to have two subjects ready for testing. though, you know it won't get rid of me forever, i'd come back and show you the results

mircea_popescu: just chase the spot.

asciilifeform: if you retain the cameras/optics in the legs, the machine can be easily programmed to always step on solid ground.

asciilifeform: (exercise for alert reader!)

moiety: it also needs eyes

mircea_popescu: btw, i don't recall if i ever showed diametric my toy anti-fly plan ?

asciilifeform: N+1 legs, lift a leg to use as 'eye'.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08677323 = 0.2603 BTC [+] {3}

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 1970s, 'MIT bugzapper'

mircea_popescu: no, i want artillery :D

asciilifeform: beam bounced around room by mirrors, ~1mW. if beam fails to land on sensor, cranks up to 50W.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually 8 legs is prolly ideal. in rough conditions legs are used for navigation, like a spider. on normal situations two legs are used as depth perceptive eyes

mircea_popescu: there's a reason why "grazing" insects only need 6

asciilifeform: correct.

asciilifeform: and a handful of spare eyes, which normally face the earth, gives resilience against incoming enemy laser.

mircea_popescu: mhm

mircea_popescu: 4chan wisdom ("what was seen cannot be unseen") provides an amply useful philosophical framework

moiety: i'm not planning on arming the cats to be fair

asciilifeform: clever designer can build a swarm, which uses the steerable cameras and lasers for intra-swarm comms

mircea_popescu: "only look when there's something you wish to see"

asciilifeform: immunity to jamming

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.10510929 = 2.1022 BTC [-] {6}

asciilifeform: to fly - foldable mylar membranes between the legs (ornithopter flight - rotors are lame)

asciilifeform: while on this flight of fancy, one can also consider flexible photovoltaics as the 'wings.'

mircea_popescu: mylar is expensive.

asciilifeform: you'd need 1 M^2 or so.

asciilifeform: unlikely to be a major factor in the cost of the machine

mircea_popescu: i guess youd make it real thin anyway

asciilifeform: disabled bird drives a nailgun round through its LiPo battery, explodes honourably.

asciilifeform: picture the epic battles.

moiety: lol

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 816 @ 0.0001756 = 0.1433 BTC [-] {5}

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform perhaps too advanced yet, but! suppose the thing actually MADE its own polymers

mircea_popescu: grew wings, assembled batteries,

mircea_popescu: a replicant robot'd be pretty cool

asciilifeform: probably easier to use 'remote-controlled mouse' technique on organic birds

Mats_cd03: poops

asciilifeform: with added twist that a zombie can install the implant in a generic bird

moiety still thinks a cat botherer would be the best plan

mircea_popescu: " I hope you come to this years meeting, which will be held on May 20 in Omaha. There will be only one change: after 48 years of allegiance to another soft drink, your Chairman, in an unprecedented display of behavioral flexibility, has converted to the new Cherry Coke. Henceforth, it will be the Official Drink of the Berkshire Hathaway Annual Meeting."

mircea_popescu: AAHAHAHAHA cherry coke!

mircea_popescu: fail.

mircea_popescu: buffett's most shameful and abysmal fail ever!

kakobrekla: previous was normal coke?

mircea_popescu: yea

mircea_popescu: well maybe

mircea_popescu: who's to know, my hayseed was maybe drinking OmahaCola

moiety: not just one change, a distinct drop in respect and increase in hilarity this year

moiety: btctalks ads just get better.. trusted ponzi's now?!

bitcoinpete: even at his advanced age, still hustlin' for that cherry

benkay: en.bitcoin.it down for anyone else?

mod6: benkay: ya, (Can't contact the database server: Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 111 (mysql))

benkay: pro shit

moiety: https://bitcoinstarter.com/projects/618 just got asked about this. went through it asking what exactly they need money for until the guy says: well fuck im out of words.

ozbot: Bitcoinstarter - Bitcoin Crowdfunding | Creating Online Platform for Freelancers

moiety: 6 devs apparently....

benkay: *starter

benkay: didn't read

mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete this is from 85

moiety: building freelance platform that is 60% complete. need 10btc benkay

benkay: lalalalala not reading moiety

mircea_popescu: ^

mircea_popescu: i wonder where pankkake went of late btw

moiety: lolol

mircea_popescu: i guess he's busy socking me on teh forum

mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg5593296#msg5593296

mircea_popescu: epic

ozbot: [Mpex.co] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance?

mircea_popescu: also TIL MPOE-PR is 1.8687% of bitcointalk's scam accusationsboard.

mircea_popescu: she and 48 scammers keep that ship afloat.

benkay: ;;tslb

gribble: Time since last block: 15 minutes and 27 seconds

mircea_popescu: from the "i'm a derp on the internet hear me roar" dept : "It is often noted that Barack Obama is an expert on constitutional law. That is better than the alternative, but it doesn't follow from that credential that he has a sound (or even benign) philosophical understanding of the constitution. Obama's credentials as a constitutional lawyer pale compared to those of Justice Antonin Scalia, for instance, and Scalia's p

mircea_popescu: hilosophical conception of the constitution is pernicious."

mircea_popescu: isn't it great that every hs drop-out / grocery packing specialist out there gets to judge the president and the supreme court justices ?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.0039 = 0.1287 BTC [-] {4}

benkay: democracy!

benkay: ;;tslb

gribble: Time since last block: 20 minutes and 20 seconds

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.00385 = 0.2657 BTC [-] {5}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.0037998 = 0.1938 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00370001 = 0.37 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0037 = 0.185 BTC [-]

bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: from the derpartment...

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00365 = 0.1533 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0036277 = 0.1995 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0036277 = 0.3628 BTC [-] {2}

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: According to Buffett's 2006 letter to Berkshire shareholders, Blue Chip had 1970 sales of $126 million as about 60 billion of "stamps were licked by savers, pasted into books, and taken to Blue Chip redemption stores." He also said, "When I was told that even certain brothels and mortuaries gave stamps to their patrons, I felt I had finally found a sure thing." Sales dropped to $19.4 million in 1980 and $1.5 million in

mircea_popescu: 1990. In 2006, revenues came in at $25,920.

mircea_popescu: perhaps worse than the cherry cola.

mircea_popescu: "stay away from technology, we don't understand it. focus on stamps and wrigley's instead"

B007: I don't think anyone under 20 even knows what Blue Chip was

mircea_popescu: right.

mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.3300

ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings

mircea_popescu: o look, neo thread is nao about mpex.

mircea_popescu: !t h neobee

assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00360000 / 0.00391815 / 0.00436789 (12032 shares, 47.14317801 BTC), 7D: 0.00360000 / 0.00438893 / 0.00559000 (97155 shares, 426.40610995 BTC), 30D: 0.00261000 / 0.0043987 / 0.00600000 (600459 shares, 2641.23710017 BTC)

mircea_popescu: understandably, i guess.

mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=504677.0

ozbot: Another Bitcoin Exchange Bites The Dust: Vault of SatosHistory

mircea_popescu: and yet another bites the dust

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla check it out, firsts and shit : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=505226.msg5567104#msg5567104

mircea_popescu: we're like in 2012 over here.

mircea_popescu: or at least, the noobs are.

B007: "in order to be acknowledged as the single professional trading platform in the world for operations in cryptographic currencies."

ThickAsThieves: <kakobrekla> previous was normal coke? // pepsi, says his book

B007: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03/fans-raise-cash-for-dorian-nakamoto-irrespective-of-his-link-to-bitcoin/

ozbot: Fans raise cash for Dorian Nakamoto, irrespective of his link to Bitcoin | Ars Technica

ThickAsThieves: I like how DrGreg goes "Have you noticed, MPOE-PR, that each and every time you have attempted to start a substantive argument with me of any kind, I have handed you your a** on a platter? " and then goes "The difference is, these folks have the class not to belabor the point, they have the class not to run around after you saying "hey, look at this joke I just made up about you, and

ThickAsThieves: I think it's really funny, and aren't I brilliant?"" in the same breath

asciilifeform: they ought to apologize by seppuku in front of his doorstep instead.

ThickAsThieves: he wants mpoe-pr to teach him more explicitly, rather than laugh that he doesn't read that icbit and gox are scams on his own

ThickAsThieves: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/07/fla-family-falls-ill-afte_n_4922728.html

ThickAsThieves: i guess the next LSD study results won't be publicly shared

thestringpuller: complete change of toppic

thestringpuller: lol

mircea_popescu: so wait, dr greg stockpicks by lsd ?

mircea_popescu: well... "stock"

asciilifeform: from the lulzfarm:

asciilifeform: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9246814/U.S._spy_agencies_adopt_new_IT_approach

ThickAsThieves: do we need to read past "The CIA, for instance, is moving toward the cloud with the help of Amazon"

asciilifeform: nope.

mircea_popescu: anyway, the mpoe-pr thing is quite efficient, in that people who still confuse us two inadvertently manage to show about how much effort they're willing to put into research

mircea_popescu: splendid arrangement to my taste.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wonder if it is unpatriotic to point out that generally speaking, the chinese military and perhaps others have been reading the us communications for a while now

mircea_popescu: they don't really need to wait for a snowden to come around

thestringpuller: i feel like that's just an ancillary effect in certain cases - i think there are people who are hell bent on proving MP === MPOE-PR and put plent of effort into researching that. nevertheless...

mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah but i mean...

ThickAsThieves: still follows mp's thought on it though\

mircea_popescu: i guess so. kinda strange, it's like... why ?

ThickAsThieves: people willing to put more effort protecting being wrong

ThickAsThieves: than sorting what's right

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reading is for beginners. next step: writing.

mircea_popescu: it just sticks out as such an ill advised time and effort investment.

mircea_popescu: i mean, on one hand ample proof to the contrary is available

mircea_popescu: but even that aside... suppose you somehow prove she's me. nao what ?

thestringpuller: then they prove the moon landing was fake?

thestringpuller: I don't have time to think about that.

mircea_popescu: not even a lousy "mp is a hypocreat!11" sticks, it'd work out more like "omg mp is such a better troll than you"

mircea_popescu: it's just... obviously nobody bothered to think it through

Namworld: Dorian Nakamoto will get much more than a free lunch it seems.

thestringpuller: I thought you died Namworld lololol

ThickAsThieves: dorian ain't gettin free anything

Namworld: Yeah well I guess you can't really see it as free.

mircea_popescu: so is threebitidiot someone here ?

Namworld: I did? Oh, I shouldn't be here then.

mircea_popescu: and if so, is a 4th coming ?

ThickAsThieves: 256bitIdiot?

ThickAsThieves: 64bitIdiot at least?

mircea_popescu: at ;east 64 yeah

mircea_popescu: damn this typing

mircea_popescu: hm, iks it me or is bitbet bereft of its favicon nao ?

asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014-info/leah-goodman/leah-goodman.htm

asciilifeform: gentlemen, start your engines

Namworld: Dibs on thirtytwobitidiot. I'll spread "Bitcoin hack tools to print Bitcoins" links replacing victims' OS with Windows ME.

mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/442414522729775105

mircea_popescu: doine

ThickAsThieves: no one will do anything with her info anyway

ThickAsThieves: if they are smart

ThickAsThieves: well...

ThickAsThieves: nevermind

thestringpuller: not even sign her up for a bunch of porn magazine subscriptions?

ThickAsThieves: free pron?

mircea_popescu: im sure she'll get all the pizza she can eat

ThickAsThieves: she lives in a $175k house?

mircea_popescu: delivered nice and early

asciilifeform: perhaps woman posted this crap herself - hungers for free sympathy coin.

mircea_popescu: she did post it hereself

ThickAsThieves: oh in vermont

mircea_popescu: due to a keen understanding of how things work online

mircea_popescu: which she's displayed on other occasions too

ThickAsThieves: how come she has crackhead eyes anyway

ThickAsThieves: just one of those looks?

mircea_popescu: anyway, this seems like a normal mortgage you'd expect a 30something to be burdened by neh ?

asciilifeform wonders what the punishment for dredging up a correct satoshi would be.

Namworld: Apparently someone just used my email to register a My Wallet on blockchain.info... wtf?

mircea_popescu: http://cryptome.org/2014-info/leah-goodman/pict79.jpg asciilifeform weren't we discussing these before ?

Namworld: Looks like all links are the correct domain, no fishing there.

mircea_popescu: schmuquette paid 200k for that shit ?!

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only that, but:

mircea_popescu: Saint Bonaventure University BAs, Journalism and Political Science; minors in Spanish, Fine Art 1994 1998

mircea_popescu: ahaha come on this is too easy. sbu ?!

ThickAsThieves: i only questioned the home price cause I assumed she was in a CA metro

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'said lot is conveyed subject to the restriction that no buildings shall be erected thereon nearer than 15 feet from the street line.'

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2014#551806

ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

mircea_popescu: dujde srsly, it's an athletics only thing with like 2k people enrolled

mircea_popescu: this is basically Cocksucking University.

asciilifeform: spam school.

asciilifeform: 'spam like a pro in 21 days.'

kakobrekla: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizda_%28chemical%29

ozbot: Pizda (chemical) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

mircea_popescu: so much lol

kakobrekla: so its true.

asciilifeform: ahahahaha

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: binging on 'lurkmore' ?

kakobrekla: i dont even

asciilifeform: http://lurkmore.to

ozbot: Lurkmore

asciilifeform: http://lurkmore.to/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0

asciilifeform: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1386142507004908

kakobrekla: cool

moiety: asciilifeform: https://www.combatcreatures.com/stryder

moiety: found it

ThickAsThieves: OpenEx ‏@_OpenEx_ 44m

ThickAsThieves: the damage:

ThickAsThieves: 38k doge stolen.

ThickAsThieves: 15 ltc. we'll update these numbers when we know more

mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr upon being showed the pizda chemical : "wait pizda is made of hos?"

ThickAsThieves: "The exchange is closing down. Its been a fun beta period but we need to go back to the drawing board for the good of our business/future. <3"

moiety: well theres a shock

mircea_popescu: see, two things they did right :

mircea_popescu: a) stuckj to play currency ; b) closed down when it became clear.

moiety: been as well just paying him

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://leahmcgrathgoodman.com/haters/

mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy stuff.

mircea_popescu: "I would bet 0.1btc asicminer pays more in divs the following year."

mircea_popescu: SIXTY BUX

kakobrekla: call it an investment

ThickAsThieves: “Ms. McGrath…my apologies for saying this, you don’t have a clue that you are clueless. If you have the guts to debate me in the press, send me your email address and let’s have it out.”

ThickAsThieves: hey at least he wants to be

ThickAsThieves: bet

ThickAsThieves: make it happen

ThickAsThieves: maybe he loses $600 come resolution

kakobrekla: he wont bet really, not even .1

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla has it.

mircea_popescu: why do scammers manage to retain so little of the btc they scam ? well... "We also believe candor benefits us as managers: the CEO who misleads others in public may eventually mislead himself in private."

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 269 @ 0.000898 = 0.2416 BTC [+]

ThickAsThieves: mp you gonna start a elder scrolls online guild too?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.00577999 = 0.2312 BTC [+]

ThickAsThieves: http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/703

mircea_popescu: i never got into that,

mircea_popescu: but why don't you start it ?

ThickAsThieves: i'm hoping i can avoid playing it at all

ThickAsThieves: otherwise 80-800 hours gone

Duffer1: i'm pretty disappointed in the latest crop of mmos

dexX7_: <ThickAsThieves> 38k doge stolen. < quite a few hacks recently. gox, bistamp, flexcoin, polioniex and openex

ThickAsThieves: i ran a guild once in WoW, started off okay, ended up a slave

mircea_popescu: i've been running a rift guild for what, 4 months ?

ThickAsThieves: Duffer1 this one looks okay, though it seems to borrow from Rift a bit

mircea_popescu: it has ~900 members, and i kick ass at it :D

mircea_popescu: also dominate the ah, but that's usually the case with me

ThickAsThieves: you must not participate in raiding

mircea_popescu: i do not.

mircea_popescu: i never do, i have 5-6 legatii milites to do it

Duffer1: i've watched some twitch footage of eso, it doesn't look like my type of game, but it's an mmo so i'll still probably play it a bit hehe

ThickAsThieves: i only play dota 2 really

Duffer1: leading raids reminds me of herding cats

ThickAsThieves: i like that it's just 45min and over

ThickAsThieves: yet you can play 100s of games and still learn

Duffer1: blizz's new moba looks like a lot of fun

mircea_popescu: raids are really too much like low level sales jobs.

mircea_popescu: at least to my taste.

ThickAsThieves: didnt know they had a moba, neat!

ThickAsThieves: that card game they have looks tarded

Duffer1: if you can get a core group of competent players on a set schedule then raiding can be a lot of fun

Duffer1: heroes of the storm i believe it's going to be called

ThickAsThieves: raiding is a paradox that can't be solved

mircea_popescu: Duffer1 but it still consists of following a set procedure and talking to people on the phone.

ThickAsThieves: it would be fun if you remove dthe shitty parts

ThickAsThieves: but the shitty parts are why people raid

cazalla: raiding is dead

Duffer1: it becomes more about the hanging out with friends than the raiding

cazalla: it's not really about skill, it's a social thing now

mircea_popescu: so then you suck at raiding.

ThickAsThieves: lol

ThickAsThieves: indeed

cazalla: look at the first year of WoW versus the pos it is now

mircea_popescu: cazalla didn't wow end up giving noobs max level just to prop their numbers for investors conference call ?

ThickAsThieves: when i was in a hardcore WoW guild, with real progression, the leader was a total drill sergeant

ThickAsThieves: probly cuz it's all that works

KRS-One: i tried WoW. hated it.. warcraft2 ftw. zug zug.

mircea_popescu: yeah, middle management for mcdonalds.

Duffer1: hehe

cazalla: ThickAsThieves: it worked well

mircea_popescu: "you gotta move the broom like so!"

cazalla: I did DKP for my guild, it was like taking the high school drop out and making him a cop

ThickAsThieves: hehe

ThickAsThieves: i made my own system for loot

ThickAsThieves: just to appease everyone

ThickAsThieves: you know how that ended up

cazalla: WoW didn't really compare to Everquest though, that game was social + hardcore, none of this soloing rubbish

ThickAsThieves: despite every subtlety to be fair, it never mattered

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves did you scam them ?

ThickAsThieves: never

Duffer1: cazz going to play eq next?

ThickAsThieves: you cant lead and get good loot

mircea_popescu: i wonder what thery say if i asked them :D

ThickAsThieves: pfff

ThickAsThieves: while they wouldnt say i scammed, many would say they disagreed with choices

cazalla: reputation mattered in everquest as well, doesn't matter for shit in WoW

ThickAsThieves: some veteren would show up after months away and expect the best loot, some noob would die first for 10 weeks and expect same drop

mircea_popescu: sounds legit.

ThickAsThieves: no one's happy unless they are getting loot

ThickAsThieves: only solution is, randomize the loot

cazalla: unless your item never drops

mircea_popescu: no one is happy unless they are getting more than they estimated they're worth, and everyone's overestimating his own importance.

cazalla: bow off chromagg never dropped for me in 2 years :\

mircea_popescu: that's why governments which make a point of subjects' hapiness never end well.

ThickAsThieves: it's odd that these games never implemented their own DKP systems

mircea_popescu: cazalla why not just buy it

ThickAsThieves: i guess drama builds adoption

ThickAsThieves: just like btc

cazalla: wasn't something you could buy mircea_popescu

mircea_popescu: ew

mircea_popescu: see, this is fucktarded. i would never play a game where you can't buy everything

mircea_popescu: it is an insult to everything i hold right proper and important.

ThickAsThieves: surely rift has raid-only drops

Duffer1: bind on pickup has it's place though surely

mircea_popescu: Duffer1 bind on equip.

mircea_popescu: bind on pickup is offensive, i'd rather date leah.

cazalla: mircea_popescu: there was a server in EQ like that which allowed everything to be traded so there was a lot of buying/selling going on for that server

mircea_popescu: with her oblong trucker stop face.

Duffer1: ha

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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves rift is of the azn economic persuasion

mircea_popescu: (it has like 50+ currency types, it's insane, tokens of this, tokens of that)

Duffer1: is there no bind on pickup in rift? i only played the beta

ThickAsThieves: but no raid-only drops?

ThickAsThieves: i find that very hard to believe

ThickAsThieves: raiders must feel special

cazalla: yes, i must feel superior to the scrubs

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there's raid-only materials

mircea_popescu: required in crafting

mircea_popescu: afaik nothing is bound unless you equip it

mircea_popescu: thre are some bound to char/acct stuff you buy via the fiat shop

ThickAsThieves: but no Legendary Shield of Final Boss?

mircea_popescu: well in fairness i craft epic items and moist everyone doesn't have them

mircea_popescu: there's no relics crafted yet, too expensive

mircea_popescu: there's legendary and i think 2 more rarities past that

mircea_popescu: so plenty of room for surprises.

ThickAsThieves: these Bliz moba videos arent very compelling

ThickAsThieves: it's funny how Dota basically riffed off Bliz characters already

ThickAsThieves: so now the Bliz moba feels deriviative

ThickAsThieves: (sp)

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 36 @ 0.004597 = 0.1655 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: derivative

Duffer1: how does bitcoin integrate to your guild MP?

cazalla: bliz moba will just be another social game with a shop so you can spend more money on flair

mircea_popescu: Duffer1 you can buy plat for it

cazalla: i hope and mmo brings bitcoin into a game and does away with their own in game currency, that'd be interesting in a game with a solid crafting system

cazalla: an*

mircea_popescu: cazalla you heard of s.mg ?

Duffer1: i see

cazalla: is that your mmo?

ThickAsThieves: i'd play dota 2 way more if btc was on the line

cazalla: i saw pics of that on your blog i believe unless i'm wrong, forget the name

mircea_popescu: cazalla it's this company that's been working for half a year at making a bitcoin based mmo

mircea_popescu: with a strong crafting system

mircea_popescu: exacrtly what you were describing

cazalla: what's the name again

cazalla: of the game

mircea_popescu: eulora

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves im pretty sure you'll be hooked once it's playable.

mircea_popescu: imo the only games worth playing anymore are btc games, if well done.

Duffer1: do people actually buy plat for btc?

Duffer1: er with*

ThickAsThieves: i almost wanna get into 3d modelling just to bank off all the hat buyers

ThickAsThieves: modeling

Duffer1: hehe

cazalla: ugh hats

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves will be a good skill ot have, get btc off smg too

ThickAsThieves: i imagine i have good base knowledge with years of vector art experience in 2d

cazalla: i wonder if using bitcoin as in-game currency would stop mudflation

wao-ender: http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aWZ2z4x_700b_v1.jpg

mircea_popescu: cazalla thats the plan

wao-ender: cazalla: is there problem to make it as in-app payments?

wao-ender: I think it's happening already

cazalla: wao-ender: depends if it's only used to buy products from the company or if players can do trade

wao-ender: ex. buy levels in game, buy experience, skills..

cazalla: i hate that sort of thing

cazalla: allow players to buy/sell items or w/e else they find in the world but that's it

wao-ender: wait, you don't remember how shareware worked few decades ago?

cazalla: no, i had full version of stuff

cazalla: paying to upgrade skills or levels is pay to win

wao-ender: that's what consumers want, easy win

ThickAsThieves: i think a certain amount of paying to level is fine

cazalla: buying/selling items that i find legitimately in game is just common sense

ThickAsThieves: particularly in a game like WoW

wao-ender: obviously, retards will pay.

cazalla: ThickAsThieves: you end up with more idiots who don't know how to play their class that way

ThickAsThieves: well i said a certain amount

ThickAsThieves: let me explain

ThickAsThieves: for example once youve max lvl'd

ThickAsThieves: let me roll another character without doing every stupid quest again

ThickAsThieves: it's insulting

wao-ender: it's imba, right.

cazalla: you need to make the leveling process slow if you do it that way imo

cazalla: just so that it actually means something to have a max level character

ThickAsThieves: sure, maybe the first time, and less and less each time after

Duffer1: i like how wow eventually tackled that problem

ThickAsThieves: likein WoW, there was often a shortage of tanks and healers

ThickAsThieves: so i had to roll them myself as leader

cazalla: although i will agree that with an older game like WoW, it makes sense to let people buy levels as it's population heavy at the top end

ThickAsThieves: fuck me if i'm gonna spend all the time to level

Duffer1: with legacy honor gear that's tradable to your alts that give massive xp bonuses

ThickAsThieves: i just bought more accounts

ThickAsThieves: they introduced that around the time i stopped playing

ThickAsThieves: wraith king expansion

Duffer1: ya they introduced it wayyyy too late

cazalla: i quit after that wotlk, far too much hand holding, it became really boring

Duffer1: same

ThickAsThieves: and they got very lazy on raid design

ThickAsThieves: like the Arena raid

ThickAsThieves: ugh

Duffer1: i have no interest in mists of pandas or the new one

cazalla: i'm looking forward to EQN but i doubt it'll be as hardcore as the original, that's not so bad once you have kids though

ThickAsThieves: it's also insulting how often they'd reuse models

Duffer1: eqn looks very interesting

ThickAsThieves: it seems stupid, but dota 2 letting you buy outfits is such a better solution then just not designing new ones

ThickAsThieves: than

cazalla: yet to play that but i assume outfits are just their version of LoL skins?

ThickAsThieves: dota 2 is very much like LoL yes

ThickAsThieves: in LoL i think it's entire outfits

ThickAsThieves: where in dota it's pieces

ThickAsThieves: like hat or clothes or helmet

cazalla: that sounds better

ThickAsThieves: but they let you replace entire parts really

ThickAsThieves: and models can add particle effects etc

ThickAsThieves: some even come with new voice acting

ThickAsThieves: i'm not terribly familiar with LoL, even though it's more popular

ThickAsThieves: i hat ethe art style

ThickAsThieves: that borderlands kinda shit

ThickAsThieves: ugly

Duffer1: woah

cazalla: i don't mind it

Duffer1: borderlands art is infinitely better than lol

Duffer1: LoL

cazalla: disagree it's borderlands type though as i hate that style too

ThickAsThieves: i dont play that either

ThickAsThieves: sorry

ThickAsThieves: LoL just looks cheap

Duffer1: i agree

ThickAsThieves: dota 2 is much better

cazalla: cheap runs on more computers which i would guess is why it's so popular, it'll run on a calculator

Duffer1: try the first borderlands if you're into rpgs

ThickAsThieves: basically dota 2 riffed off WoW and removed some of the cartoony aspects

ThickAsThieves: like everything being super blocky

ThickAsThieves: just cuz 3d designers are super lazy

ThickAsThieves: or underpaid

Duffer1: or bad :P

ThickAsThieves: ya

Duffer1: in wow i always got the sense that the texture artists were really unhappy with the models they got

ThickAsThieves: i dont see how they could not be the same team

ThickAsThieves: i think their budget was just nil

Duffer1: it's like they had one modeller doing everything, who's style showed throughout every piece of gear, and the rest of the team were disgruntled texture artists

Duffer1: i don't miss wow hehe, i do miss cracking out on a good mmo though, it's been a really long time

ThickAsThieves: it sounds silly but ugly models definitely contributed to me losing interest in raiding too

ThickAsThieves: they didnt appreciate vanity enough

Duffer1: exactly

ThickAsThieves: as LoL and Dota make quite clear

Duffer1: if you're going to make every lvl 80 character class look the same in end game then you better damned well make them look good

ThickAsThieves: illidan warglaives probly made them millions of $

Duffer1: ha probably

ThickAsThieves: 10s of millions maybe

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves alternatively, don't allow a second character at all.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelated - from what part of the world is mpoepr ?

mircea_popescu: california

asciilifeform: flower in the desert.

ThickAsThieves: how do you disallow more characters whilst allowing new accounts?

mircea_popescu: for instance by removing the incentive to make one

mircea_popescu: why do you want to play anything other than your character anyway ? because inept game design introduced artificial barriers perhaps ?

ThickAsThieves: what if i wanna have a druid AND a vampire?

mircea_popescu: well your druid will die anyway, and permadeath

Duffer1: i had one of every class to learn pvp weaknesses

mircea_popescu: you can make his kid a vampire

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform california is a big place you know

ThickAsThieves: mp did you ever play that iOS game where every time you die you are the son?

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no ?

mircea_popescu: i don't think i ever played an ios game

ThickAsThieves: whats it called someone help me

mircea_popescu: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/teen-charged-killing-parents-california-mansion-article-1.1714754

ThickAsThieves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity_Blade

ozbot: Infinity Blade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ThickAsThieves: you pass on your armory

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ThickAsThieves: so your son can fight the good fight

mircea_popescu: sounds like eulora.

ThickAsThieves: simple but cool game

ThickAsThieves: made tons of $

asciilifeform: from the same rag, 'Canadian man who poked holes in condoms to impregnate girlfriend loses appeal'

cazalla: ThickAsThieves: rogue legacy?

ThickAsThieves: Infinity Blade

asciilifeform: 'Army captain cries during generals court martial over alleged sex misconduct'

mircea_popescu: "The two went through a contentious divorce in 1999 but remained friends, business partners and housemates sharing the $3.7 million, six bedroom, eight bathroom home."

mircea_popescu: someone needs to explain this open

Duffer1: holy shit MP it's Donna's parents from That 70s Show

mircea_popescu: one*

asciilifeform: damn, i should read the u.s. fishwraps more often, full of lulz

Duffer1: http://images2.fanpop.com/images/polls/248000/248307_1244328184341_full.jpg

mircea_popescu: gee it must suck for that 8yo.

mircea_popescu: parents killed, paralyzed, enjoy your fambly estate.

Duffer1: at least he didn't unload at a school

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ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zx9zj/arthur_nakamoto_my_brother_dorian_satoshi_nakamoto/

ozbot: Arthur Nakamoto: My brother, Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto... : Bitcoin

ThickAsThieves: checl out these ads http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/8/5485006/colorado-releases-new-drugged-driving-ad-campaign

asciilifeform: http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/8/5483774/the-cupid-drone-strikes-with-80000-volts-to-the-chest

ozbot: The CUPID drone strikes with 80,000 volts to the chest | The Verge

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform journos must seriously be going to a special retardation school.

mircea_popescu: i have no idea what sort of reverse midas effect this is, but it's uncanny

mircea_popescu: any topic they touch turns to shit

asciilifeform: they go to spam school.

asciilifeform: must be.

ThickAsThieves: getting tased for demo is so stupid

ThickAsThieves: i did a police ride-along and demo day once

mircea_popescu: http://www.insideworldfootball.com/world-football/europe/14238-popescu-jailed-as-romanian-judge-hammers-football-fraudsters

ozbot: Popescu jailed as Romanian judge hammers football fraudsters - Inside World Football

ThickAsThieves: why would you ever volunteer to be tased?

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves people volunteer for women in heels to walk all over their ballsack.

mircea_popescu: what do you want, people are strange.

asciilifeform: if i recall, some u.s. police academies require taking a shot from a taser.

ThickAsThieves: yeah

ThickAsThieves: so they know what they are dishing out

mircea_popescu: did they do that back in the gun days toio ?

mircea_popescu: also, tasers are stupid easy to counteract. no idea why anyone thinks they're effective or anything.

asciilifeform: they should require a firing squad with at least plastic rounds.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: taser came out of a fad for 'humane' police gear.

mircea_popescu: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/151067206670?lpid=82

ozbot: Blackend Chainmail Shirt Butted Chain Mail Armor Costume Chainmaille Medium Size | eBay

mircea_popescu: $100 dollars.

ThickAsThieves: yeah now these drone vid guys wanna sort humane help for cops

ThickAsThieves: surreal

mircea_popescu: what's a taser cost, 2k ?

ThickAsThieves: less

asciilifeform: no need for chainmail, an ordinary greatcoat does fine

ThickAsThieves: depends on strength i guess

ThickAsThieves: and charge

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, you want to short it.

mircea_popescu: nothing quite like the shit exploding in the cop's hands

ThickAsThieves: yeah then he'll shoot you for real

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: short doesn't do much - modern electric shocker works the way a photo flash does - charge a cap, and let it short through the victim

asciilifeform: (victim in place of xenon tube)

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves double the chain with kevlar, he can shoot you till he gets bored.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is true.

asciilifeform: a while ago i mentioned tommyguns that were sent to russia during 'lend-lease'

asciilifeform: there is a curious tale about those

asciilifeform: at one point, two drunken grunts decided to have a duel with them

asciilifeform: both got away with broken ribs and a penal battalion sentence.

ThickAsThieves: standing too far apart?

ThickAsThieves: or rigged weapons?

asciilifeform: (they wore the traditional heavy greatcoats)

asciilifeform: soft, slow .45.

mircea_popescu: what, and it failed to penetrate ?

asciilifeform: correct.

mircea_popescu: that's trollage.

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asciilifeform: the first bullet proof vests were, after all... silk.

mircea_popescu: the round, even historical, is closely subsonic.

ThickAsThieves: here russia, take all these guns, they work fine trust me!

mircea_popescu: ;;calc 300**2 * .2 / 2

gribble: 9000

mircea_popescu: 9kJ. srsly nao.

ThickAsThieves: inspection shows barrels riddled with grainy bits

moiety: we had a bren but we arent allowed it back with out getting the licence redone in England

asciilifeform: 'v' is more important than 'm' here.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most .45 fires at around 300km/h

ThickAsThieves: maybe it was a joke never properly explained, they threw the guns at eachother

mircea_popescu: even taking a more historically accurate 200 km/h which is what i did...

mircea_popescu: or meant to do...

asciilifeform: there could be many explanation for the story, assuming it took place as described

asciilifeform: but it is not entirely implausible

asciilifeform: i also recall accounts of 45acp failing to perforate NK soldiers during korean war

asciilifeform: but, i wasn't there, did not see this alive.

mircea_popescu: what is this, some martial arts fascination ?

mircea_popescu: a .45 round will go through an engine block, let alone some bloke

asciilifeform: brought it up because of the taser/coat question.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what do you load yours with, titanium ?

mircea_popescu: i just can't conceive how that'd happen. maybe if the round was hand filled with dust ?

mircea_popescu: what is it, copper mostly

mircea_popescu: copper-nickel w/e

asciilifeform: for those concerned with the question of what will or won't go through X, 'youtube' is the place.

asciilifeform: (well actually, the correct place is a deserted junkyard. but the next best thing)

mircea_popescu: i suppose in an extremely rare case a shot could ricochet of a rib or something, but srsly nao.

mike_c: mythbusters has done a bunch of shows on "is it bulletproof"

asciilifeform: ballistics testing is possibly the #1 hobby of youtube folks

asciilifeform: quality varies

mircea_popescu: i would guess this'd be because a gun is pretty much the coolest toy adults can afford.

mircea_popescu: all those "guns are not toys" adds backfired i guess

asciilifeform: it's a variant on 'ricing'

asciilifeform: (people who endlessly fidget with their cars)

mircea_popescu: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417217/quotes?item=qt0158941 << re this excellent pacino performance :

ozbot: Two for the Money (2005) - Quotes - IMDb

mircea_popescu: people seem to have taken the smoking kills adds the same way

mircea_popescu: "well it DOES kill people, and it HASN'T killed me,

mircea_popescu: therefore i am special

mircea_popescu: ergo smoking makes me special"

B007: smoking is way down in the us

asciilifeform: there's also 'mortido' (as in libido)

B007: idk about europe

mircea_popescu: B007 depends how you measure it.

B007: less people per 1000?

asciilifeform: folks who don't get their 'dietary minimum' of 'millideaths per day' tend to get edgy.

mircea_popescu: PM was trading ~50 a share in 2008 and is trading ~90 a share now

mircea_popescu: 31bn revenue / 8bn net

mircea_popescu: about 7x as big as facebook, to put it in terms readily digestible by the online crowd

mircea_popescu: much better profit margin, too. twice as good, in fact.

mircea_popescu: BTI is probably a better example. ~5 per share in the 80s, 100+ per share now.

B007: I which I could get in....tfw no money

B007: *wish

mircea_popescu: ~25bn gross ~6bn net, so roughly 4x facebook.

mircea_popescu: so there you have it : smoking is down and the industry makes a degree of magnitude more than social media.

mircea_popescu: who's killing who here ?

B007: thats accually a good point, but it is still true that smoking in the us is down

B007: I never stated anything about profits or size compared to fb

mircea_popescu: so what do you mean, smoking as a behaviour ?

mircea_popescu: fucking is also down in the us.

mircea_popescu: and making sense. and making money. and generally everything.

B007: ummm

mircea_popescu: it's what happens when places go to shit. everything goes down.

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B007: yeah, but Romania gdp 169,400 vs US 15,680,000

B007: we have about the same gdp as all of europe

asciilifeform: 'Industry is the only true source of wealth, and there was no industry in Rome. By day the Ostia road was crowded with carts and muleteers, carrying to the great city the silks and spices of the East, the marble of Asia Minor, the timber of the Atlas, the grain of Africa and Egypt; and the carts brought nothing out but loads of dung. That was their return cargo. London turns dirt into gold. Rome turned gold int

asciilifeform: o dirt.'

asciilifeform: (reade's 'martyrdom of man')

asciilifeform: s/rome/usa

B007: yes, we still have huge industries

B007: in case you weren't aware

asciilifeform: well, there's pointing a gun at people to make them pay for copied bits

asciilifeform: and then there's building the gun

asciilifeform: and, mostly completing the list, maintaining infrastructure (sort of!)

mircea_popescu: B007 what huge industry were you tihnking about ?

mircea_popescu: they can't even run a paper mill for chrissakes.

asciilifeform: 'arse-mouth loop system' economy.

mircea_popescu: my grandfather was a mayor, and a bunch of other things, but the one true source of public respect was that he owned and operated an american mill

mircea_popescu: it was like... people actually came an extra distance with oxen fucking carts just because of that cool.

mircea_popescu: then there was a war and a number of unfortunate choices... and by today people may want japanese stuff,

mircea_popescu: but i can't readily think of anything which'd be improved by being made in the us.

mircea_popescu: perhaps a cuisinart ?

asciilifeform: how quickly the 'cool' goes.

mircea_popescu: they don't really make the cuisinarts in the us anymore do they

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mine certainly wasn't.

asciilifeform: 100% chicom

mircea_popescu: not even a cuisinart.

mircea_popescu: The trademark is a subsidiary of and owned by Conair Corporation which acquired the brand following Cuisinart's bankruptcy in 1989.

mircea_popescu: heh.

mircea_popescu: the consumer appliance that inspired jobs.

mircea_popescu: how quickly the cool goes...

Duffer1: if you want it to taste really good and take 30 years off the average life span of your customers.. and be dirt cheap, then you want american expertise

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the four little green RNGs were made at a u.s. plant. cost: ~their weight in pure gold.

asciilifeform: (the boards alone!)

mircea_popescu: well at least that gold didnt turn into pure shit.

asciilifeform: i think every other customer of that place is part of the DOD wankatron.

asciilifeform: no one else in his right mind has anything made here

asciilifeform: visit the web site of any u.s. pcb maker, they're all decorated with pictures of fighter jets, boats, etc.

mike_c: PM is actually international only, no US.

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mircea_popescu: mike_c it doesn't sell in the us ?!

mike_c: they split it up. NYSE:PM is intl only

mike_c: I believe Altria holds PM USA

mircea_popescu: no lm, no marlboro ?

mircea_popescu: oh

Duffer1: ya altria

mike_c: although they have done well over the last few years too

mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah it doesn't substantially alter the argument

mike_c: i thought it would, but it does not. altria has doubled over the last few years

mircea_popescu: in fact, it bolsters it : intl only pm does substantially equally well as the us-only pm

mircea_popescu: hahahaha this is hysterical :

mircea_popescu: USA tobacco18,474 / 4,812

mircea_popescu: International tobacco48,260/ 8,458

mircea_popescu: usa tobaccomuch more productive. i guess bans help indeed.

mike_c: it's interesting, because i have always heard anecedotally that taxes were killing US tobacco. i guess i heard it from the tobacco lobby :)

mircea_popescu: i guess you must have yeah.

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joecool: altria is PM rebranded, they are the same

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07900001 = 0.553 BTC [+] {2}

moiety: when is BB back?

joecool: altria, rj reylolds, and lorillard i think are the big 3

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mike_c: not rebranded, they split up their domestic and international business.

joecool: Philip Morris International was split from Philip Morris USA in March 2008. < ah missed that

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bitcoinpete: In which I figure out how to use footnotes:

bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/what-is-business-the-roman-catholic-church-for-one/

ozbot: What Is Business? The Roman Catholic Church, For One | When Bitcoin Met Pete

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MisterE: nothing worse than a flat market

MisterE: fucking dead calm

Mats_cd03: on the subject of death

Mats_cd03: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort

ozbot: Micromort - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mats_cd03: > a unit of risk measuring a one-in-a-million probability of death

Mats_cd03: > Activities that increase the death risk by roughly one micromort, and their associated cause of death:

Mats_cd03: > Eating 100 charcoal-broiled steaks (cancer from benzopyrene)

Mats_cd03: > Travelling 230 miles (370 km) by car

Mats_cd03: > Travelling 6000 miles (9656 km) by train

Mats_cd03: > Travelling 1000 miles (1600 km) by jet

MisterE: Mats_cd03: are you an insurance adjuster?

chetty_: crossing the street?

asciilifeform: chetty_: russian roulette, ~143,000 micromorts.

asciilifeform: (an american would think: ~167,000 but he's wrong.)

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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07899998 = 0.316 BTC [-] {2}

Mats_cd03: no im not an insurance adjuster

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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 273 @ 0.00055003 = 0.1502 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.046 = 0.138 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00084676 = 6.6894 BTC [-]

KRS-One: damn near perfect:

KRS-One: http://www.donnaperfetta.com/db/_pic/michelle-hunziker/8f4d567cd77373334e39e58ed775b2c3.jpg

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MisterE: US warns Russia not to annex Crimea: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26501716

MisterE: Little late for that eh?

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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04652498 = 0.4652 BTC [+] {8}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 19 @ 0.02348677 = 0.4462 BTC [+] {5}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 137 @ 0.00380005 = 0.5206 BTC [-] {5}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00084676 = 2.1169 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2655 @ 0.0005 = 1.3275 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00084676 = 1.2701 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 6457 @ 0.000105 = 0.678 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00084676 = 0.6774 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07727081 = 1.1591 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1953 @ 0.00420662 = 8.2155 BTC [+] {16}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4704 @ 0.00084676 = 3.9832 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 347 @ 0.0043 = 1.4921 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 201 @ 0.004 = 0.804 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2900 @ 0.00090454 = 2.6232 BTC [+] {5}

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