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mircea_popescu: trying to compare those Ys with these Ys misses both points.
mircea_popescu: X is actually more important than Y.
mircea_popescu: no other business in the history of business sits in this position of "can only turn a profit"
mircea_popescu: consequently models developed for evaluating what are fundamentally pmbs can not usefully be applied.
ThickAsThieves: can only lot lose money, maybe
ThickAsThieves: but even then
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah, isuppose it can also be 0.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, even the s.mpoe mkt cap comparison to an actual comp is broken.
mircea_popescu: you'd have to compare s.mpoe mkt cap with an actual corp's mktcap - book value
mircea_popescu: altho that's also not quite accurate.
ThickAsThieves: for an many things as herb covered he only scratched the surface
mircea_popescu: in short... this is a complete nonsensical mess of wires sticking out.
Bugpowdurr: mircea_popescu: Q about exercise
ThickAsThieves: the answer is obvious nayway
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr shoot.
ThickAsThieves: there's only one way to price mpoe
ThickAsThieves: at market
mircea_popescu: up ? lol
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you enlightened any yet ?
Bugpowdurr: If there are 3000 contracts of an option outstanding sold to bot, then another user creates another 500 contracts, and then exercises them without selling them, does that force the exercise of a fraction of the previously sold options?
mircea_popescu: in principle yes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00087279 = 5.2367 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: atm the entire option thing is quarantined because of the price signal bs
ThickAsThieves: when wasnt it bs?
mircea_popescu: this is finance. bs is fine until it smells.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17735 @ 0.00087258 = 15.4752 BTC [-] {2}
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Bugpowdurr: So exercising in borkled right now?
ThickAsThieves: this seems odd to me
Bugpowdurr: And in theory, a 3rd party could force exercise of someone else's short position by mkopt -> exercise chains?
ThickAsThieves: to buy options, and not have options
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: dude. i did not say MPOE was expensive.
ThickAsThieves: that;s what i took from it as well
ThickAsThieves: overpriced, tomatoe
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: if the price i pay today for MPOE is more than the total amount of gains that MPOE can bring in over say, 10 years, then it is a bad investment for people looking for assets to invest in for 10 years
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr how would they force someone's short position anyway ?
mircea_popescu: normally executions are distributed to actual held options randomly, but atm im holding the pre 14th set apart.
ThickAsThieves: 10 years?
Bugpowdurr: "Bear in mind that whenever someone exercises options of your symbol you will be allocated a portion of the executions corresponding to your total share of created contracts for that symbol. Thus if you create 100 O.BTCUSD.C50T and someone else creates 150, in case there's an execution of 50 contracts you will be assigned 20 of those."
mike_c: hm
ThickAsThieves: that's like 100years in bitcoin
mike_c: you know you can sell it when you're done, right?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids only if mpoe is to close shop in 10 years.
Bugpowdurr: I was thinking that someone could deduce whether the whale short the puts had been stopped out by MKOPT / EXERCISE a number of options and see how many were assigned to him vs. other.
ThickAsThieves: herb the problem with all that really is you can't apply your numbers without making assumptions, but in fact, only one assumption can be made, you're making too many assumptions
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr in principle this should work.
mircea_popescu: not in the case at hand tho.
Bugpowdurr: but doesn't at the moment due to unannounced options segregation
Bugpowdurr: Damn.
Bugpowdurr: Also damn, I'm on a network that doesn't let me send BTC.
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: if im dependent on the ask price at end of life then its a speculation not investment
mike_c: well, that was part of his point. the pmb will necessarily decay. mpoe won't.
herbijudlestoids: so, S.MPOE priced at 100BTC per share is just as good an investment as S.MPOE at 0.0000001 per share then
herbijudlestoids: is that what youre claiming?
mike_c: i'm not claiming that.
herbijudlestoids: i must be a complete moron
mike_c: well you are a quant :) (don't get mad now)
mike_c: hm, try this. would s.mpoe returning 1% a year be the same to you as 7C returning 1% a year?
mike_c: !t h 7c
assbot: [HAVELOCK:7C] 1D: 0.00414026 / 0.00414026 / 0.00414027 (23 shares, 0.09522599 BTC), 7D: 0.00330000 / 0.00447172 / 0.00787947 (266 shares, 1.18947875 BTC), 30D: 0.00310008 / 0.0051724 / 0.00789999 (1033 shares, 5.34308438 BTC)
mike_c: nvm, anything on havelock.
herbijudlestoids: uh...so youre talking about two securities, both with the same known future rate of return?
mike_c: no, i'm talking about with the same historicals (price and eps for last 6 months)
herbijudlestoids: sure, if so, i would value them identically
mike_c: oof
mike_c: really? come on.
herbijudlestoids: if you know the future rate of return will be the same then yes
mike_c: i said the same historicals. obviously no one "knows" the future rate of return.
herbijudlestoids: ok my conn just lagged out sorry reading up those lines
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: no i wouldnt value shit based on historical data alone?
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: i thought the article ...i just wrote...makes it pretty clear? if youre buying one asset based on the 6 month historicals, then the future has to play out in a certain way for your investment to not underperform.
mike_c: underperform compared to what though.
herbijudlestoids: compared to just holding BTC and taking no loss!
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: hold BTC, return 0%, hold overvalued asset for 10Y, sell asset, return -10%
herbijudlestoids: hold undeprriced asset for 10Y, sell asset, return +10%
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i said *asset*. any of them, it doesnt matter.
ThickAsThieves: what the
Bugpowdurr: yikes
mike_c: freenode is not healthy right now
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i am totally fine with valuing MPOE on a book value basis. so what is the current P/B multiple?
Bugpowdurr: Well... my little crafty experiment is a fail.
mircea_popescu: mpoe book = 0
mircea_popescu: is the problem
mircea_popescu: so p/b is infinite anyway.
Bugpowdurr: time for a good night's sleep.
mike_c: herbi, have you done a dcf on mpoe?
herbijudlestoids: if yall were trying to explain something...or make me see some kind of light, im not seeing it
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: nope
mircea_popescu: whenever you seem just about to get it you retreat to declaring you ain't getting it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00513044 = 0.2309 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: let's go yet another angle at this.
herbijudlestoids: pls stick to the angle
herbijudlestoids: you said focus on rate of conservation
mircea_popescu: if one continues to interpolate the current difficulty of mining curve,
mircea_popescu: the future value of bitcoin is pretty much infinite.
mircea_popescu: this makes the substitute p/b for any other way to get btc in the indefinite future also properly infinite.
herbijudlestoids: ok, i dont disagree with any of those statements
herbijudlestoids: i have some experience with the same concept re gold
mircea_popescu: basically the lot of what i'm saying is that there are no acceptable models to valuate here.
ThickAsThieves: well there's one
mircea_popescu: this will need more research rather than simple c/p stuff that really doesn't work in fiat anyway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00018035 = 0.9018 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-]
herbijudlestoids: did anyone catch me valuating?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's an indetermination (inf/inf) it'll have to be somehow resolved
herbijudlestoids: without me knowing?
ThickAsThieves: i dont think it can be
ThickAsThieves: i think it's like a currency rate burdened by indeterminable inflation rates
ThickAsThieves: can only be priced in the moment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1564 @ 0.00017688 = 0.2766 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 187 @ 0.0051107 = 0.9557 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids sowhat were you doing ?
ThickAsThieves: at market
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: showing what the market is implying the EPS growth rate will be on an infinite horizon...
mircea_popescu: well i don't see i could disagree with that.
mircea_popescu: why are we arguing again ?
Duffer1: conversion rate
mircea_popescu: o wait. we are arguing because you're claiming you can calculate the eps growth.
mircea_popescu: this is not established.
ThickAsThieves: cuz someone said if things were different, things would be different or such
herbijudlestoids: cos you said some bullshit about my focus on growth coming from fiat and that i should focus on the rate of conservation
mike_c: Duffer1 :) that's the second time. are you deliberately misspelling conservation?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids perhaps not the best expression of the concept, but anyway.
herbijudlestoids: ps: we arent arguing, i am questioning, to understand
mircea_popescu: what makes you think you can calculate the eps growth rate implied by the market ?
Duffer1: mike_c ah thanks i misread conservation
mircea_popescu: (don't get me wrong, i get the ample wtftude involved here. i humbly submit it's not because of me but because of fundamental issues stemming from the nature of btc)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
herbijudlestoids: how do i know what...that the price of MPOE is derived from economic activities?
ThickAsThieves: maybe the price is cuz few holders hold most
mircea_popescu: each and every juncture of it.
ThickAsThieves: and those 3 guys dont feel like selling
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.0008739 = 11.0548 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: one example.
ThickAsThieves: why does the market have to imply anything?
ThickAsThieves: how does it?
mircea_popescu: another : maybe s.mpoe is becoming monetized in a particular manner,
mike_c: the havelock market implies a lot of things
mircea_popescu: such as for instance as roughly the equivalent of a discounted us fed
mircea_popescu: wherein a number of large players keep pushing back and forth holdings of s.mpoe as tokens of credit
ThickAsThieves: it's cuz Eve
mircea_popescu: and in general, the safe assumptions in fiat are at the very least suspect in btc.
ThickAsThieves: and Rift
mircea_popescu: o btw... the bitcoin guild in rift ? biggest thing on server.
mircea_popescu: > 700 ppl
herbijudlestoids: ok maybe i am making some assumptions, but i think those assumptions: 1. that the price of MPOE is derived from something, 2. that MPOE is an economic entity 3. that the price of MPOE is derived from that economic activity
ThickAsThieves: i contemplated reinstallation...
herbijudlestoids: those are pretty safe assumptions.
mircea_popescu: so you say.
ThickAsThieves: yes it's safe to assume MPOE is a thing with a price
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids there's no compelling reason to believe the price of mpoe isn't derived from its value as a currency.
ThickAsThieves: i just dont see how you could possibly isolate anything useful
mike_c: is TWTR value derived from its economic activity or from pipe dreams about future potential?
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: value or price?
mircea_popescu: twtr value is defo not derived from any economic activity
ThickAsThieves: how do you factor liquidity?
mircea_popescu: fb/groupon/etc for that matter either.
herbijudlestoids: err exactly? right?
herbijudlestoids: the market implied EPS growth rate for FB/TWTR/GRPN are very very high. not as high as MPOE, but quite high
ThickAsThieves: people still buy grpn?
mircea_popescu: but yes, to complete the story : for all you know s.mpoe is the fractionary reserve of the btc superrich. for all you know s.mpoe is the doge of assets. for all you know s.mpoe is the golden ticket people dream with.
herbijudlestoids: if the economic activity (or lack theroef) in those assets does not provide an appropriate amount of EPS growth
herbijudlestoids: then investors will underperform relative to holding cash or the index
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you seem strangely immune to the currency notion.
mircea_popescu: what exact economic activity does gold provide ?
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: no im willing to accept that
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: store of value which is hoardable without restricting the economy, non dilutable, no counterparty risk, etc
mircea_popescu: right. that's an angle i can't reduce or disprove.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the other angle i can't reduce or disprove is "very small certain income > any other alternative, seeing how all other assets are -EV so far"
mircea_popescu: and obviously, "dude it's a scam through and through" is a third.
KRS-One: .bait
mircea_popescu: can't fucking apply numeric methods on something this conceptually fragmented.
herbijudlestoids: so? still waiting to understand how my notion of "growth" is imported from fiat and why i should focus on the "rate of conservation"
mircea_popescu: which is why i love you.
KRS-One: love that pic of magical tux
mircea_popescu: the value of the only asset which yields a + is pretty muchj... infinite
mircea_popescu: or unspecified
mircea_popescu: or "whatever it costs"
mircea_popescu: very prone to sudden volatility etc
herbijudlestoids: by the avg asset do you mean the shite on havelock or whatever?
mircea_popescu: well, glbse, take your pick. bitjam or w/e
mircea_popescu: you're in new york, all eateries serve excrement
herbijudlestoids: so youre talking relative valuation
herbijudlestoids: i am not.
mircea_popescu: human, goat, whatever. hispano, jew, you can pick it.
herbijudlestoids: MPOE is infinitely valuable compared to scams. sure. no worries, no argument.
mircea_popescu: obviously the seats in the one restaurant which serves food go by "how much people hungry can afford to pay"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 588 @ 0.00017372 = 0.1021 BTC [-] {3}
herbijudlestoids: that is not what im talking about
mircea_popescu: this is no relation to economic activity.
herbijudlestoids: err well it totally is though
mircea_popescu: arguably!
mircea_popescu: but you need a much more... efficient! market
mircea_popescu: see ? that's what mike_c was basically saying originally.
mircea_popescu: currently bitcoin is woefully inefficient : people get beaten into shit, they turn around and reimplement the same thing.
mircea_popescu: and again and again.
herbijudlestoids: mike_c originally said that i assumed the market was efficient and therefore MPOE was overpriced. i did not saythat.
mircea_popescu: that's as antieconical as it gets.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids stop being so fragile. he just said you're presuming the market is efficient and therefore oyu're stupid
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11294 @ 0.00015837 = 1.7886 BTC [-] {5}
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: so, for the sake of experiment, we are not allowed to make assumption that MPOE price is locally efficient? thats stupid now?
mircea_popescu: antieconical lmao. they don't make e-cones zese pplz!
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids i r sorry but it is. pretty much any assumption of market efficiency in any bitcoin market is touched in the head.
mircea_popescu: (which again is proven by the diff curve, with its attendant problems, and by the fiat/btc prices, and by a thousand other glimmers)
ThickAsThieves: it would be less crazy to look at past data to see what that implies for the future
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: lolllllllll
mircea_popescu: not bad lol
herbijudlestoids: one tells me the assuming the price is efficient is stupid
herbijudlestoids: the next tells me you can infer future performance from the past inefficient price
mircea_popescu: he must have been trollingk
mike_c: however the altcoin market.. getting tight! 100 satoshi spread on x-bt
mike_c: fire up the day trading bots
mircea_popescu: why does nobody have nighttrading bots ?
mircea_popescu: i imagine they;'d be sexier.
herbijudlestoids: you cant really daytrade in a 24/7 market
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids anyway, don't let any of the foregoing impugn on your intelligence or usefulness for the space.
mircea_popescu: you're being useful.
herbijudlestoids: daytrading by definition is having no positions at close
ThickAsThieves: the "all" is silent in daytrading
mike_c: also, they aren't really "bots". just computer programs.
mircea_popescu: actually because of how credit works you can sort-of rolling-window-daytrade
mircea_popescu: as in, not have to rollover any day/week/whatever loans
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: like i said earlier. i dont view this as an argument, when i question it is just to learn. i am always willing to consider an opinion or formula or whatever, even if i dont accept it in the end.
herbijudlestoids: if you tell me something i dont understand, i will question. not to defend my existing view, which im happy to discard given evidence.
mircea_popescu: yeah but chat gets pretty hot and you're new, so. one never knows.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17446 @ 0.00087253 = 15.2222 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: now that's cool
ozbot: Google NGram Experiments | Information Is Beautiful
herbijudlestoids: i like the ngram viewer much more than google trends
herbijudlestoids: but the data is not as realtime as trends
mircea_popescu: very well armed intellectually these peoples.
chetty: its never the tools fault
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: worse they present the data as if it was clear cut that now people like salsa more than ketchup, but there is probly algorithmic/computational reasons more than historical ones
herbijudlestoids: anyway. i cant stick around. i just came because mike_c said i said MPOE was overvalued.
herbijudlestoids: to be clear, if the RoR is 1%, its fairly valued, or slightly undervalued.
jurov: lolwat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.072 = 0.72 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;slap assbot
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kakobrekla: thanks
kakobrekla: works nao
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
ozbot: 3129573174.52229 | Next Diff in 1833 blocks | Estimated Change: 6.3479% in 11d 21h 30m 20s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+] {2}
cads: Wow these poor pokemon bastards have been stuck in a maze for 24 hours now.
cads: today it reached a new high - 75 thousand people mashing buttons desperately trying to get past what would normally take two minutes for a single player.
cazalla: what's that about cad?
cazalla: cads*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00087073 = 17.4581 BTC [-]
cads: It's a completely absurd social experiment. Someone created a video feed of a pokemon game, and fed it to a well known distributor of live videogame video feeds, Twitch.tv.
cads: In the chat room (which is a regular IRC chatroom operated by twitch.tv) the broadcaster placed a bot that would interpret messages from players as key presses: players may register to the site to go on the chat and type "up" "down", "a", "b", etc.
cazalla: watching now
cazalla: btw my brother had the WR for fastest complete time for pokemon red on twin galaxies
cazalla: not sure if it still stands, this is years ago
cads: wow, definitely show him this
cazalla: we don't talk lol, not for years
cads: hehe
cads: sorry to hear
cads: (he probably knows anyways)
cads: everyone in the pokemon world is hearing about this if only because it's been tainting the pokemon memes.
cazalla: not sure if he still follows it, this was during uni for him
cazalla: i need to finish the latest one that came out
cazalla: only 3 or 4 badges done
mircea_popescu: wtf is the pokemon world o.o
cads: millions of people wasting billions of hours producing and consuming pokemon memes and other fan content
cads: along with the multinationals feeding off of them.
cazalla: shame they are yet to make mmorpg for pokemon
cads: It would be hard to mess that up.
Duffer1: have you seen wildstar?
mircea_popescu: you mean past the age of 12 ?!
Duffer1: some people dedicate lots of effort and money into fucking things up
cads: mircea_popescu: Do you know about ponies?
cazalla: yeah but i don't have the time for mmos anymore like wildstar
mircea_popescu: cads i know little girls ride them, occasionally...
cads: in the 21st century, little girls and middle aged men alike love ponies.
cads: it is highly disturbing.
cads: to see a man fawning over cute animated My Little Ponies
cads: but the profit
cads: oh the profit.
mircea_popescu: so bascially in the 21st century middle aged men are mentally infantile.
mircea_popescu: girls used to mature a coupla years before boys,
cazalla: pokemon and bronies are unrelated
mircea_popescu: now it's a coupla decades.
cads: cazalla: they're both products that are being enjoyed by an increasingly long tail of originally unexpected users
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2704 @ 0.00087129 = 2.356 BTC [+]
Duffer1: i don't know if there's support for that statement caz hehe
cazalla: they're good games though
cazalla: and most gamers are adults afterall
cazalla: so you can't compare the 2 things
Namworld: Hmm... BTC.sx has a clear lack of capital.
cads: mircea_popescu: so 'moe' is a style of anime synonymous with "cute" and "budding" charachters that you want to lovingly "protect", and it's very popular with young girl audiences and middle aged male audiences.
mircea_popescu: that i heard of.
cads: My little pony was a failing toy brand that was rebranded by the hasbro corporation into a moe cartoon series called My little pony: friendship is magic. It was aimed at little girls but featured good writing and character design and pretty soon had a huge fan base of "bronies"
cads: these are "bros" that love my little pony.
mircea_popescu: ie all the people who find child porn either too expensive, too risky, or too socially inacceptable to directly discuss.
cads: that's about it, except behind the scenes of course there's all sorts of disgusting pony porn and yeah, I think you hit it on the head
jurov: bronies are middle age? i thought it's teenagers
mircea_popescu: which is how i got to hear about it, the anthropologists keeping track of the decay of the us cultural space noticed that it's not just that holywood can't make a film that's not either a very bad socialist tract or else a drug chain
cads: jurov: I'd hope the mass majority are teenagers
mircea_popescu: but moreover the prevalence of pedophilia is such that it look smore like the bitcoin hash debit than anything.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.527 BTC [-]
Namworld: To me, "moe" can only mean Moe Szyslak. Nothing more.
cads: jurov: there was the case of the 30-something that was fired from his job.
Namworld: jurov, I thought bronies were mostly little girls under 10 and guys 30-50.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3896 @ 0.0008724 = 3.3989 BTC [+]
Namworld: With some huge age gap in-between
cads: Namworld: one of my exes has a 17 year old brother who is a brony. Kid is a robotics genius, and a ... pony genius.
cads: *shrug*
jurov: i guess these males got it inflicted upon them in the 1990s when original ponies aired
cads: I've got another friend and she has a brother that has an actual pony stamp tattoo.
cads: rainbow dash's storm cloud
cads: I myself know entirely too much my little pony stuff to not be afraid.
cads: *shrug* - meme poisoning
cads: jurov: I dunno, ponies were never in the male culture growing up, at best I would have seen commercials
cads: _maybe_ it's a sort of childhood brand recognition
cads: the really astounding thing with this and other memes in general is how much actual work goes into creating and distributing, discussing, criticizing, 'debating' memes.
cads: and how it's come to pass that corporations profit off of this content as if they made it, just by hosting it
jurov: i do remember them, it was a biggie for some time. fortunately i was not allowed much tv then
mircea_popescu: cads so how much profit exactly are we talking here ?
Namworld: I didn't have cable until like 2000 and I don't know when we got Internet... probably so late.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00015811 = 0.3953 BTC [+] {3}
cads: Well like pageviews -> $s it's hard to quantify. It's a non-monetized time waste with leeches sucking at each juncture, so I'm not sure where to begin speculating on the profit
mircea_popescu: it is "hard to quantify" ?
mircea_popescu: what are you, in derp mode ?
mircea_popescu: Hasbro Reports Fourth Quarter and Full-Year 2013 Financial Results and Declares an Increase in Quarterly Dividend to $0.43 per Share
mircea_popescu: 2013 full-year net revenues of $4.08 billion were flat with 2012 revenues of $4.09 billion;
cads: we have to look at aqcuisitions of large media providers like youtube and tumblr
mircea_popescu: 2013 full-year net earnings were $372.4 million
Namworld: Advertising revenue is easy to quantify...
mircea_popescu: so the owner made like 400mn total, and they sell a lot of crap other than this stale meme.
mircea_popescu: let's call it 100mn generously and forget about it,
cads: Namworld: but the advertising revenue from people sharing memes?
mircea_popescu: it barely pays for a decent corporate jet.
mircea_popescu: cads i just did.
cads: mircea_popescu: my claim is that media distributors like youtube and facebook profit from hosting this unlicensed community created meme content, which is typically considered much more entertaining in itself than anything like the cartoons, dvds, or plushies made by the company.
jurov: hahaha what wikipedia has to say: According to Margaret Loesch, CEO of The Hub, revisiting properties that had worked in the past was an important programming decision, influenced to an extent by the opinions of the network's programming executives, a number of whom were once fans of such shows.
jurov: doubt these executives were female
mircea_popescu: cads so you're saying that the owner's profits from the franchise are dwarfed by the various leeches' ?
mircea_popescu: this proposition is frequently revisited but empirically always shown to be false.
mircea_popescu: it has a lengthy tradition i nthe ip business.
ozbot: In election year, Romania debates giving human rights to dolphins
jurov: and we have MP who lives off air and exchanges love with aliens, too :D
jurov: and wants to be a president
cads: I mean, youtube was acquired in 06 for 1.5 $bn of google stock. In the mean time google has grown to from 400 to 1200 a share. Suppose youtube grew proportionally with that and it's valued at $6bn. However youtube has grown far beyond what most people imagined. A 2012 boast from google values youtube at around $56bn.
cads: I don't think it makes sense to pretend youtube does anything other than make money off of other people's (chumps) content
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21312 @ 0.00087124 = 18.5679 BTC [-] {2}
cads: and it's also hard for nintendo to tell youtube that some 12 year old kids' world record playthrough of pokemon needs to funnel back some ad money to nintendo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00087073 = 20.6363 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.072 = 0.648 BTC [-]
cads: I mean, stupid shit like this live actions reenactment that got umpteen million views and pays the living wages of some internet famous douchebags, while putting 80% of the revenue into the coffers of youtube.
ozbot: POKEMON IN REAL LIFE - YouTube
cads: The big social media aggregators - facebook, twitter, youtube, tumblr, basically make billions of market captilization / acquisitions, and all they do is hold onto content that users have put there willingly under a license that gives the corporation full rights to the content until it is deleted by the user.
cads: So these billion dollar valuations are all due to the fact that people are too stupid to run distributed media channels or protest a bad contract clause and are willing to sit through advertisements.
jurov: cads, where would you put a video you suspect may get mildly popular? on your adsl? pay for a webhosting?
cads: if I was making a revenue stream the latter sounds ideal, but of course I understand that my revenue stream would be even _bigger_ if I syndicate my content with youtube.
cads: their marginal cost is so much smaller than mine
cads: to them they don't even notice if I get slashdotted. For me it might take me out of business for a day.
mircea_popescu: cads so basically you'd like this to be worth a lot is what igather.
jurov: also, i do run misc p2p stuff and even with 60mbit uplink on my home connection i get annoying dns resolving problems occassionally
cads: not a lot, but enough to be worth studying
mircea_popescu: you have a large number of mistaken assumptions baked in, tho.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 240 @ 0.00087152 = 0.2092 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: " make billions of market captilization / acquisitions, and all they do is hold onto content that users have put there willingly under a license that gives"
mircea_popescu: there is absolutely no relation between the content bs and the acquisitions/mkt cap game.
mircea_popescu: if one day btc-e pulls a vircurex and lists itself as an asset, and pumps the price like they do
mircea_popescu: you going on about how the trollbox is worth thousands of btc because some scammer somewhere traded what he purpots to be 1% of some crap with himself at an implied valuation of fiddy billion
mircea_popescu: would be equally ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: the trollbox may have some value, but that value is not visible in how much doge goes for.
Mats_cd03: how important is having more nodes, exactly
Mats_cd03: is it measurable at all
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's one of those things like wearing condoms
mircea_popescu: one day we'll find out exactly how important it would have been
jurov: Mats_cd03: for me it makes clear difference that my txs propagate nicely
jurov: that's all i need to know
Mats_cd03: i wonder how much bandwidth the network consumes
Mats_cd03: i wouldnt mind running a node if i knew what i was contributing
mircea_popescu: so run one, it helps.
mircea_popescu: doesn't eat that much bw, kbps.
Mats_cd03: would 2tb/month be enough
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2000000 / 30 /24/3600
jurov looks
gribble: 0.771604938272
mircea_popescu: definitely
mircea_popescu: it doesn't do 771 kbps, it does something like 30
jurov: up 46 days,TX packets 1728363356 bytes 1580097315893 (1.4 TiB)
Mats_cd03: ill start a droplet
cads: blah I hate how easy hard math turns out to be after a couple years of study. That makes you feel like you were an idiot 2 years ago.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1400000/46 / 30 / 24 / 3600
gribble: 0.011741814278
jurov: bitcoind does cause 10mbit+ spikes, if someone with ssd pulls the blockchain from me
cads: And the difficulty of the math you're currently studying assures you feel like an idiot presently.
jurov: but it averages out
mircea_popescu: cads wut ?
Mats_cd03: i have $60 in digital ocean credit so its all good
cads: mircea_popescu: math that kicked my ass 2 years ago is now super trivial, and yet the math that's kicking my ass today still seems tough
mircea_popescu: how it goes hehe
cads: I should just smartly recognize that it's just as trivial as the old math, and solve it just as easily in one stroke
cads: but alas
mircea_popescu: the girl you love today has but a cunt just like your ex
mircea_popescu: you should smartly recognise they're just the same and be done with it
mircea_popescu: but alas.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00087012 = 6.2649 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00087166 = 14.9926 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1215 @ 0.00015683 = 0.1905 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44544 @ 0.00086944 = 38.7283 BTC [-] {4}
cads: hmm, a year ago reddit raised a million dollars an a 400 million dolar valuation
cads: can you guys suggest a business model for reddit that would actually make money?
cads: it already had 18 million in the bank
cads: the reason they took the million is to open the business for buyin and input from silicon valley investors
cads: when they were spun out in 2011 they started with 20 mil, and they have been operating the popular online social forum and news syndication site with a "very lean staff"
cads: so they eat about a million of each year and there's really no way I can see for them to make money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.002989 = 0.2092 BTC [+]
Duffer1: it will be interesting to see if they'll be able to unobtrusively monetize the site
cads: the funny thing is they think they're going to be able to get non-shitty ideas from VCs with 5% buyins.
cads: I dunno
cads: what would you guys do?
cads: jurov, mp? Duffer1, you're a reddit fan?
Duffer1: ya they've essentially said they're not creative enough to figure it out, so at least they recognized they need help
jurov: do about what? monetizing reddit?
Duffer1: it has intrinsic flaws that make me not read the comments, but i still browse daily for headlines
cads: "we spent half a mill on consultants alone so far and nothing. Time to bring in the leeches"
Duffer1: i don't believe that will end well for them, but i'm not creative enough to figure it out either so who am i to say
cads: jurov: yeah, they need a business plan because right now they just give a fun free news platform for all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.0008718 = 7.4539 BTC [+]
cads: a reddit video news channel?
Duffer1: the comments are already weaponsgrade stupid, perhaps the us military will step up to fund the disinformation platform of the new century
Duffer1: reddit has infinite value to any organization looking to shape american perceptions
cads: "we have the power to determine when trolls swarm a topic"
MisterE: cads: some richpeople will step in and fund reddit
cads: just a tiny parameter tweak in the voting mechanism
MisterE: like they did BSD
MisterE: reddit is going nowhere
MisterE: just like wiki
cads: independently rich tech types?
MisterE: yea
cads: that just love their reddit and coffee?
MisterE: a Ellison or Bezos
MisterE: an*
MisterE: yea and becasue Swartz started it
MisterE: reddit was a cliquey thing before it blew up and most were techies / libertarians
MisterE: I wish someone would do a docu on reddit
cads: On the plus side if it ever goes down nerds will just put it back up
MisterE: ^ this too
MisterE: like TPB it's well mirrored
cads: haha, slashdot seems to be doing better
cads: ish.
cads: they started a tv channel a couple years ago, and were acquired for 20 mil by a holding company that same year.
cads: apparently last october the company rolled out some interface changes that have incited the users into anger. The users "Slashcotted" slashdot this past week :P
MisterE: yea we boycotted them all last week
MisterE: I unsubbed from newsletter
MisterE: etc.
MisterE: getting most from Ars now
MisterE: still /. fills a niche no one else does
MisterE: their comment threading is shit and the beta made it much worse
MisterE: community pushed back and CmdrTaco kept ramming it down our throats
cads: ?
MisterE: I think he learned his lesson he posted a mea culpa
MisterE: sec I get linky
Diablo-D3: wait
Diablo-D3: people still read slashdot?
MisterE: cads: the fuckers pulled it from the site
Diablo-D3: >community
Diablo-D3: >CmdrTaco
Diablo-D3: srsly? you're going to pull that card?
Diablo-D3: what community, and thats always been his fucking site, no matter whos actually owned it
Diablo-D3: he does what he goddamned pleases
Diablo-D3: its why its been shit since day one
Diablo-D3: and I have a 5 digit slashdot UID, I fully well know what slashdot used to be
Diablo-D3: it hasnt changed
MisterE: yea
MisterE: I have a 5 digit uid too!
MisterE: it's always been a somewhat benevolent dictatorship
Diablo-D3: slashdot is up to what, 8? 9? now?
Diablo-D3: does it even display UIDs anymore?
MisterE: yes
MisterE: 3 millionish
ozbot: Slashdot Tries Something New; Audience Responds - Slashdot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20326 @ 0.00086967 = 17.6769 BTC [-]
MisterE: fuck them for taking down their mea culpa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49152 @ 0.00086907 = 42.7165 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21027 @ 0.00086967 = 18.2866 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3515 @ 0.00087092 = 3.0613 BTC [+]
Vexual: hi
Vexual: r3wt was ere?
Vexual: i think i can guess the mad genius that orchestrated that
jurov: hi Vex, indeed
Vexual: hey jurov, did i spell orchestrated incorrectly? ;)
jurov: why?
Vexual: jj you often seem to correct my spelling when im tipsy, which i like
jurov: no you spelled that correctly afaik. i was referring to content, it was very lulzy
jurov: within 5 minutes we have shown he doesn't know php or js
Vexual: id like to speak to r3wt
jurov: maybe he'll come back, he seems eager lo learn
MisterE: why would someone claim they know php / js and don't?
MisterE: like you can't fool people
benkay: one can hop from scam to scam quite handily doing that for a while
benkay: the internet is a biiiig place
Vexual: and small
benkay: some say
benkay: cost of identity is still low
benkay: we'll see how things change when that does
benkay: in other news i offered a startup against whose api i'm working a deal on some documentation
benkay: their poor devs were like "oh god yes save us from the documentation"
benkay: (all unaware of my inability to correctly satoshize a bitcoin)
Vexual: lol
benkay: few days go by
benkay: "hey dudes, here ams rate sheet, figure you only will be interested in 1/4 time"
benkay: "OMG IP AND CORE COMPETENCIES AND ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG"
benkay: *sigh*
benkay: whatever happened to getting the job done?
Vexual: yeah it's these managerial types
benkay: it's hilarious
benkay: their previous startup has burned through like 20M in capital, and isn't even dead yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00086902 = 30.4592 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: bankruptcy walking, but the sharks are still just circling.
benkay: praying for a successful pivot, i warrant.
Vexual: you might like to try an alcohol habit, come back from lunch saying "hang on a darn tooter!"
Vexual: not relly
benkay: i kinda think fuck single page javascript apps
benkay: but that's a damn hard line to hold in this consulting environment
benkay: wait no hang on they're great in some applications
benkay: argh engineering what even ams a tradeoff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11312 @ 0.00087092 = 9.8518 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 439 @ 0.00299 = 1.3126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26960 @ 0.00087113 = 23.4857 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00299 = 0.1076 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18707 @ 0.0008718 = 16.3088 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17593 @ 0.00087272 = 15.3538 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00299 = 0.2093 BTC [+]
moiety: mowning all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.0008701 = 21.97 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Graphene nanoribbons could be the savior of Moore’s Law | ExtremeTech
jurov: what would you use 1e12 transistors for? you'd need to parallelize everything on order of 1e3
jurov: that's really useful only for mining and such
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 443 @ 0.002989 = 1.3241 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 250 @ 0.0055 = 1.375 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00087269 = 23.6063 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 205 @ 0.002989 = 0.6127 BTC [-]
moiety: hahaha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00086875 = 16.5497 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00087079 = 24.3386 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00087079 = 24.9046 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5275 = 1.055 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.00087079 = 28.9973 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 356 @ 0.00299 = 1.0644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00086857 = 12.4206 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.00017493 = 1.5744 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00086855 = 24.2325 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1500 @ 0.00084449 = 1.2667 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 986 @ 0.00043495 = 0.4289 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.075005 = 0.15 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00087079 = 7.0969 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 615 @ 0.00017499 = 0.1076 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 109 @ 0.00299033 = 0.3259 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00086986 = 26.9657 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34255 @ 0.00087305 = 29.9063 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50050 @ 0.00086846 = 43.4664 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19977 @ 0.00086822 = 17.3444 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39423 @ 0.00086796 = 34.2176 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15195 @ 0.00086762 = 13.1835 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3004 @ 0.0001901 = 0.5711 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00019899 = 0.2985 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2001 @ 0.00019899 = 0.3982 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.1 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 541 @ 0.00019101 = 0.1033 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.00086553 = 40.3337 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00020997 = 1.0499 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00086482 = 7.9996 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19452 @ 0.00086447 = 16.8157 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.1 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.0008642 = 11.7099 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33810 @ 0.00086646 = 29.295 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16890 @ 0.00086747 = 14.6516 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07199999 = 0.144 BTC [-]
davout: Apocalyptic: encore une victoire pour canard
nubbins`: absent cads: i had a tenant who was an adult male brony, also 80% sure he was a pedophile
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: romania has dolphins?!
asciilifeform: perhaps in soviet-era military delphinarium?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24775 @ 0.00086451 = 21.4182 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: (where the beasts were taught to fight with knives)
nubbins`: oh, wait, romania borders the black sea, doesn't it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.1 = 0.6 BTC [+]
nubbins`: for some reason i pictured it as being landlocked
ThickAsThieves: first Neo branch is built out: http://i.imgur.com/KrD2SlD.jpg
gx: ThickAsThieves what's that?
gx: looks sexy
nubbins`: fancy
gx: doesnt look like a lot of room for storage tho :P
gx: haha
nubbins`: why do people bother with masked hostnames on irc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00086343 = 26.5936 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 305 @ 0.000845 = 0.2577 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.072 = 1.44 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: bitcoins dont take much space ;)
ThickAsThieves: also note they occupy the 2nd and 3rd floor of that same building
gx: what is neo?
gx: i can only hope that someday our offices for coinigy are 1/2 as cool looking
ThickAsThieves: a bitcoin un-bank
ThickAsThieves: i never sorted out a perfect term for it
ThickAsThieves: I suggest coining "finserv:
ThickAsThieves: suggested*
ThickAsThieves: ...coffee
ThickAsThieves: casinobitcoin guy is mad at me now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.072 = 0.792 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.002991 = 0.9661 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00086246 = 13.4975 BTC [-]
nubbins`: why's that, you held up a mirror?
ozbot: Need btc Donations for Kidney Transplant
nubbins`: sounds legit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 34 @ 0.058965 = 2.0048 BTC [-] {5}
ThickAsThieves: pretty much
nubbins`: best way to get people mad at ya
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00086475 = 22.8294 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: mpoe-pr made the mirror
ThickAsThieves: i just said 'hey look'
nubbins`: that's a thing she does, yep
nubbins`: less entertaining than it once was. i think she's getting tired
ThickAsThieves: i wrote him a respectful insightful reply
ThickAsThieves: maybe he listens
ThickAsThieves: i think she just needs better targets
ThickAsThieves: with BTCT, etc gone
ThickAsThieves: slim pickins
ThickAsThieves: unless you wanna take CryptoStocks srsly
ThickAsThieves: candy crush is gonna IPO, lol
nubbins`: well, poking fun at tweedleherp and tweedlederp can onl... wait, really?
ThickAsThieves: "better to burn out than to fade away"
nubbins`: candy crush: the saga continues
nubbins`: they should get wu-tang to do them a theme song
ozbot: King Digital, in IPO Filing, Crushes It on Revenue, Profit - MoneyBeat - WSJ
ThickAsThieves: King Digital sounds like a rap name too
ozbot: Could there be a $50,000 bitcoin? - Term Sheet
ThickAsThieves: "Police described that death as non-suspicious." lol
nubbins`: that's a large amount of url
ozbot: Video - FAA Grounds Drone Beer Delivery Service - WSJ.com
nubbins`: "police described the death as no big deal"
ThickAsThieves: hmm there's a new WSJ Karpeles interview?
ThickAsThieves: must find
ozbot: Mt. Gox Shows Bitcoin's Growing Pains - WSJ.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 139 @ 0.002991 = 0.4157 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: "In the email interview, Mr. Karpelès responded to questions about the company's solvency or protection for customers' funds by saying that the matter is confidential. "
ThickAsThieves: i cant find said interview
nubbins`: "i can't comment on whether or not we're insolvent, that's confidential"
ThickAsThieves: CBTC guy declined my advice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.097 = 0.582 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.0243001 = 0.486 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: the author: "Kent spent a decade in the trenches trading, researching, and writing about equities and options. A advocate for civil liberties and open information, he produces and performs cyberpunk music as SEVEN7HWAVE. Currently Kent oversees digital marketing for Pixorial - a disruptive video and photo sharing service."
nubbins`: SEVEN7HWAVE
nubbins`: fucking brutal
nubbins`: THIR13EN GHOSTS
nubbins`: SE7EN
nubbins`: SU6K MY DI6K
nubbins`: "a disruptive website"
nubbins`: "cyberpunk"
ThickAsThieves: disruptive tweets
nubbins`: they forgot to mention that he's obviously an insufferable twat
ThickAsThieves: you forgot to use decentralized
nubbins`: boy, these photos and videos sure are disrupting me
nubbins`: his music is disruptive
nubbins`: MCing shows via wi-fi
nubbins`: cybercloudpunk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35819 @ 0.00086498 = 30.9827 BTC [+] {3}
gx: can someone give me the lowdown on how MPEX works
gx: is it something i can actually throw BTC in and trade on?
gx: oh, i see the faq now
kakobrekla: check the missing manual
gx: so i assume it's all api-based
kakobrekla: i use it by hand
kakobrekla: but i think im one of the few
gx: ah, i see
gx: this looks interesting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 422 @ 0.00299201 = 1.2626 BTC [+] {2}
gx: need a 30 btc minimum buy in?
kakobrekla: or use coinbr.com
kakobrekla: ;;google mpex missing manual
gribble: MPEx Missing Manual : BitcoinStocks - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1x18vc/mpex_missing_manual/>; MPEx: The Missing Manual 6 - Options - serialized delusions: <http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/21/MPEx%3A-The-Missing-Manual-6-Options>; MPEx: The Missing Manual 5 - Account statements and transfers ...: <http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/07/MPEx%3A-The-Missing- (1 more message)
gx: thx
kakobrekla: bah, same thing as to mp happend to me
kakobrekla: a safety check i coded long ago and forgotten about it - fuckin up my trades
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 577 @ 0.00018912 = 0.1091 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00086997 = 10.6571 BTC [+] {2}
TomServo: ThickAsThieves: Quite insightful.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.003 = 0.231 BTC [-]
CiPi: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww-dRBnr2Ak
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07344999 = 0.2203 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00087066 = 14.0612 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07345 = 1.1018 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: this is stickied in the noobie forum
ThickAsThieves: i'm finally eligible for "Hero" on the forums, but my activity is not high enough
ThickAsThieves: CBTC added all the unsold shares to the market so HL would display the cap "properly", not bad i guess, but now people have to worry whether they are sold on the sly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3478 @ 0.0008657 = 3.0109 BTC [-]
TomServo: Wow. There is more than one person that labels their music "cyberpunk". dafuqever.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22961 @ 0.00086302 = 19.8158 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5449 @ 0.00086302 = 4.7026 BTC [-]
Jere_Jones: Is there any way to reclaim my nick in WOT if I lost the key or am I just SOL? (yeah, I know I shouldn't have lost the key in the first place)
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Polite letter to the NSA?
Jere_Jones: Think they could find my key for me? :)
ThickAsThieves: did you register both key types?
ThickAsThieves: and lose both?
Jere_Jones: I only registered a gpg key.
kakobrekla: even using one key to dispute another is a questionable practice
KRS-One: its just best to post both keys to pastebin so you can get them any time
kakobrekla: i think pastebins expire
mod6: dpaste
kakobrekla: those too afaik
KRS-One: wow i thought they had a perm option
Jere_Jones: My options seem to be: 1) Dig through old hard drives in an almost futile effort to find the keys or 2) Establish a new nick
kakobrekla: well how strong is your wot?
kakobrekla: you can ask people who rated you to rate you again on the new handle if you can convince them so
Jere_Jones: A single rating from 3 years ago.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.09992857 = 1.399 BTC [+] {2}
Jere_Jones: It is the age of the nick that I would like to preserve and the nick itself because that it is what I use everywhere.
pankkake: understandable
pankkake: tip for next time: save a revocation key :)
Jere_Jones: Also, don't lose the keys. At the time, I didn't see any real value in the wot and thus treated my keys as disposable.
Jere_Jones: Shame on me.
jurov: why don't just back up whole /home?
jurov: gugabytes of cloud storage are cheap nowadays
Jere_Jones: Of course, *now* I would do things differently.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27169 @ 0.00086246 = 23.4322 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: but you still aren't :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1031 @ 0.00086168 = 0.8884 BTC [-]
pankkake: backup your gpg key to the cloud? lol
ThickAsThieves: just name it niggers.conf
jurov: why not? once protected by, say, duplicity passphrase, second time by gpg passphrase
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 740 @ 0.00020198 = 0.1495 BTC [+] {4}
jurov: afaik gpg never saves unencrypted keys to disk
pankkake: yeah, with strong enough passphrases you should be ok
pankkake: my "cloud" (not really, dedicated servers with FDE!) backups are actually encrypted to my gpg key
jcpham: i name my wallet backups porno.avi
kakobrekla: you shouldnt be saying that in public
pankkake: jcpham: people would want to look at porno.avi
pankkake: mine is much more sneakier!
jcpham: kakobrekla is it more or less deceptive if I just made that up
jcpham: I'm not sure.
kakobrekla: on right, in reality its under wallet.dat
jcpham renames wallet backups to two_girls_one_cup.rm
jcpham: because realmedia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11174 @ 0.00086487 = 9.6641 BTC [+]
jcpham: i lost all of my bitcoins to scams, anyways
jcpham: labcoin IPO wiped me out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52303333 = 1.5691 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.70014252 BTC to 2`116 shares, 80347 satoshi per share
mod6: O_O
pankkake: save it for the tax man
jcpham: sitting on 18k doge though
kakobrekla: he is trolling ,i hope
jcpham: excuse my 19k doge
jcpham: it's a cautionary tale. all bitcoin investments are scams
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.523 = 2.092 BTC [-] {2}
jcpham: except the ones that aren't
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.522 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07345 = 1.5425 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.063 = 0.252 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0734 = 0.2202 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00301 = 0.301 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00301 = 0.301 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0734125 = 0.2937 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00086371 = 15.59 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.07345 = 1.9832 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00086363 = 26.643 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00301 = 0.1505 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00301 = 0.1505 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
benkay: good morning, assettes
jurov: ciao
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07345 = 0.3673 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.07345 = 1.2487 BTC [+]
deadweasel: hey benkay
benkay: sir
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 33 @ 0.09683331 = 3.1955 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07349996 = 0.2205 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52100002 = 1.042 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.09420665 = 2.8262 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 158 @ 0.00511253 = 0.8078 BTC [+] {6}
benkay: heh. "low cost bitcoin atm"
benkay: this will end well
benkay: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (577 shares, 3.17350000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (4623 shares, 25.42650000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (33230 shares, 182.76500000 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07349999 = 1.8375 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.0735 = 1.2495 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0735 = 0.147 BTC [+]
ozbot: VH1 Orders 'Naked Dating' Series (Exclusive)
Diablo-D3: and reading just the headline
Diablo-D3: I bet its just dating that is without all the social rigamarole
Diablo-D3: instead of actually being naked
Diablo-D3: because if its actually naked naked... its on vh1, WHATS THE POINT
bones`: black bars
bones`: across the naughty bits
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.085 = 0.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37426 @ 0.00086493 = 32.3709 BTC [+] {2}
Diablo-D3: yeah
Diablo-D3: whats the point of that
Diablo-D3: Ive seen boobs and vaginas of every shape and size
Diablo-D3: little tits, big tits, massive tits that have smaller tits orbiting around them
bones`: To protect the children who live on a remote rural area with no access to internet who still have yet to see "little tits, big tits, massive tits that have smaller tits orbiting around them"
Diablo-D3: they should show it in school, to be honest
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123 @ 0.00086571 = 0.1065 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: some sort of internet education course
Diablo-D3: actually, it could be part of sex ed
bones`: 8 year olds have smartphones, they are looking at it sans the education part
Diablo-D3: introducing kids to various kinky behaviors
Diablo-D3: and teaching them its healthy to have a kink, and yadda yadda yadda condoms, safe words, etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0735 = 0.147 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07371428 = 1.548 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 170 @ 0.000845 = 0.1437 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00086571 = 14.8036 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: The European Union’s Directorate-General for Internal Policies Riccardo Ribera d’Alcala who authored the plan wrote, “The use of stigmatizing labels should be ended, and the pejorative term ‘bankruptcy’ should be replaced with the more neutral ‘debt adjustment.’”
mircea_popescu: the pejorative term for a thief should also be replaced with the less neutral ribera d'alcala.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002989 = 0.2989 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` exactly as asciilifeform sez.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Chris_Sabian_: when does Neo go live?
ThickAsThieves: Feb 24th
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cads reddit will definitely make money from doge tips.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
deadweasel: Diablo-D3: www.discovery.com/tv-shows/naked-and-afraid << no point, just naked idiots with their bushes, in the bush.
deadweasel: naked sells ads, moar naked!
ThickAsThieves: "US intelligence whistleblower Edward Snowden is elected to post of student rector at Glasgow University."
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell duffer1 it's unclear you can do much shaping, specifically because of the weapons grade idiots. basically your choices will be whether you want them to spell stupid with a b or p, d or t. otherwise... stubid is stupit.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: that inception moment when you realise reading through the assets log is the most fun thing you've done all day.
mircea_popescu: fucking biznis.
ThickAsThieves: Secretary Kerry warns climate change is a 'weapon of mass destruction'
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cads: "they started a tv channel a couple years ago, and were acquired for 20 mil by a holding company that same year." i think you don't fully appreciate the impact of tax optimization on all these deals.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: that fucktard seriously was running for president at some point huh.
mircea_popescu: so much of us history is incredible in retrospect.
mircea_popescu: "wait, they went into vietnam ? and then did what ?"
mircea_popescu: has a certain italian quality to it.
ThickAsThieves: must be all the pizza
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell misterE you musta misclicked something, i see it ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: jurov more like "we watched while he showed us"
mircea_popescu: benkay omg ip and what ? pls to translate ty.
benkay: mircea_popescu: intellectual property
mircea_popescu: that i know.
mircea_popescu: whatg i don't know is what the whole sentence's supposed to mean
mircea_popescu: gx what's a coinigy.
benkay: it's a satire of an overwrought technical manager
benkay: "I am concerned about retaining rights to my intellectual property and building an engineering team that can document its own work. Plus lots of emotions."
mircea_popescu: so you offered to do documentation for them, and on rehash you offered to work 2 hour days
mircea_popescu: oh oh oh.
benkay: no
mircea_popescu: clearly i lack the relevant experience.
mircea_popescu: 1/4 time is not= 2 hour days ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 34 @ 0.00301008 = 0.1023 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: no, it's 10 hr weeks
mircea_popescu: 5 day weeks right ? :D
benkay: topologically the same thing
mircea_popescu: clearly we have a substantial differend here :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0738 = 0.1476 BTC [+]
benkay: fractional days are a bad practice
benkay: a) clients think in hours instead of projects
benkay: b) it's really hard to get shit done in fractional days
benkay: fractional weeks however let me shift work around as necessary to get the big six-hour blocks in which we're productive
mircea_popescu: following from b), c) you stay employed 4ever.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06849998 = 0.137 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: yeah employment
benkay: major life goal
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves where do you find all the btc posers fucking hell
mircea_popescu: you're like the grand master of it by now.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla we are now fuckbrothers, as we have been fucked up by the same thing!
ThickAsThieves: not hard to find posers on btcmag
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones no. there is no way to reclaim anything once you lose keys. never ever EVER lose any keys ever.
mircea_popescu: lose your right eye instead.
mircea_popescu: those are redundant.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0738 = 0.1476 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin foundation is looking for board members
benkay: i'm looking for your sister
ThickAsThieves: good luck
benkay: heard she sucks a mean dick
mircea_popescu: aww why so testosterony
mircea_popescu: o look that rhymes with brony
benkay: testosterbrony!
benkay: look you win fast types again
mircea_popescu: i shall comission a special hat to commemorate the occasion
benkay: nubbins` will paint you in your fancy hat
ThickAsThieves: i just slaughtered a bunch of ants, the vegan gods will not be happy
mircea_popescu: upon the poofball shall be inscribed a logo aimed to represent fast typin'.
benkay: it's like dwarf fortress
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i think the vegan dogs only care for you not to eat mammals.
mircea_popescu: otherwise you know, yeasts, ants, all fine.
benkay: "he is wearing a masterfully wrought cap with a poofball made of cave spider silk"
benkay: "on the poofball is an icon representing his fast typing victory over benkay"
benkay: mircea_popescu you gotta fuck with dwarf fortress
mircea_popescu: over benkay THE OGRE
benkay: right benkay the legendary ogre of vampire slaying
benkay: "benkay's head is cowed"
mircea_popescu: no, benkay the diminutive ogrelet of having been sick in his childhood
benkay: the generative art and history of dwarf fortress is ridiculous
mircea_popescu: he has one butterfly wing coming out of his shoulderblade
benkay: HA
benkay: more like the vicious midget - only american raised in violence since 1920
mircea_popescu: i wonder if anyone ever stepped on their own beard.
ThickAsThieves: i do when i shave
mircea_popescu: jurov: afaik gpg never saves unencrypted keys to disk << indeed. it's not made by the power rangers, not using qt, etc.
mircea_popescu: incredible how people 20 years ago could like... you know, program computers.
mircea_popescu: WITH THEIR HANDS
benkay: "these are your fathers parentheses"
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mircea_popescu: "tysat, if you believe they are pump and dumps, seriously who do you think is behind it? mtgox? the btc elites? honestly, if someone is pumping and dumping in an organised way, as a means of screwing new investors then the entire alt community should hunt them down"
mircea_popescu: le derp.
mircea_popescu: the entire alt community couldn't burn down one of my pubes if someone lent them a stair and matches.
ThickAsThieves: pubes of steel
pankkake: the entire alt community wouldn't exist without pump and dumps
benkay: "community"
ozbot: CrazyRabbi abusing Trust-System
mircea_popescu: "save yer herebys"
mircea_popescu: pankkake or pubes.
pankkake: scammers and beggars are a community
pankkake: do they have pubes?
ThickAsThieves: more than most probly
mircea_popescu: they are a community. in 1800s bucharest there was a place called "podul calicilor", which pretty much means "the bridge of the scammer and beggar comunity".
mircea_popescu: this was the local equiv of pont neuf
ThickAsThieves: "So if I buy some shares in NeoBee from havelock now will I get more dividends than if I buy the shares after the 23rd of Feb?"
Jere_Jones: Speaking of scams, I have always thought, and the dictionary agrees with me, that a scam was defined by dishonesty. BingoBoingo made a comment that a scame is defined by "not paying". Whether not paying is due to malice, incompetince, or a natural disaster is irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones this revolves around the concept of meaningful difference.
mircea_popescu: because it is impossible to establish malice at all, a difference predicated upon establishing malice is meaningless.
ThickAsThieves: maybe not irrelevant, but possibly indistiguisable
mircea_popescu: also "incompetence"
mircea_popescu: indistinguishable.
mircea_popescu: ima start charging in altcoins for this service.
ThickAsThieves: hey i asked for no service, what are you a government?
Jere_Jones: So "scam" is used, not as an attack on one's character, but as a characterization of their trustability?
mircea_popescu: i shall now charge myself for self-zinging commentary a 5 atc tax.
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones no, it's an attack on their character.
mircea_popescu: there not existing any malice anyway, their character === their trustability.
mircea_popescu: plus it's easier to spell than trustabillyhilly
TomServo: not the === again!
Jere_Jones: Incompetence is something that everyone starts out with.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of magical php, any language out there which isn't served enough by 3 and has 4 or more ?
ThickAsThieves: you mena ignorance?
Jere_Jones: "Sucking at something is the first step to being kinda good at something."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00086507 = 19.7236 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.07398787 = 2.4416 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: im really looking forward to clauses like if i ==== j then else if i === j then else if i == j then else if i = j then.
Jere_Jones: Ignorance leads to incompetence.
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones nobody forces you to act blind.
mircea_popescu: learn first, act after.
mircea_popescu: what, everyone gets a banker certificate with their birth certificate now ?
ThickAsThieves: ignorance also leads to competance, soooo
pankkake: mircea_popescu: some programmers check twice, or allocate a variable twice, to be sure. I'm not kidding.
bones`: "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice".
mircea_popescu: pankkake i think that may be leftover from the old days of cobol horror.
deadweasel: ThickAsThieves: not so, see USG
mircea_popescu: bones` i think that's also comutative.
pankkake: well, the ones I've seen do it were fresh out of school
ThickAsThieves: not quite my point deadweasel
mircea_popescu: "any sufficiently advanced malice is indistinguishable from turpid stupidity"
ThickAsThieves: just saying no one (but mp) is born a knowitall
bones`: So good at being bad it must be a mistake?
mircea_popescu: bones` yup.
deadweasel: ThickAsThieves: i'm just saying that the ignorance itself doesn't lead to comptence
deadweasel: or spelling
mircea_popescu: most of the high ticket scammers are going for that angle.
mircea_popescu: deadweasel you aware of the neoplatonist loophole you got there right ?
deadweasel: i'm aware of rabbit hole I stuck my head it here, but not the formal proposition of it.
deadweasel: please, help!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.074 = 1.554 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if not ignorance, then what ? if not hunger leads you to sate, then what ?
deadweasel: death
deadweasel: you don't eat you die, happens all the time.
deadweasel: not sated
mircea_popescu: but death is not of this world.
mircea_popescu: for once death is, you are no longer, and while you still are, death is not.
deadweasel: depends on who I am
deadweasel: and if I really know what the truth of that is.
ThickAsThieves: so that means we will all live forever!
ThickAsThieves: until we dont
deadweasel: now we're deep in the rabbit hole.
mircea_popescu: doesn't depend on anything, if it isn't it couldn't possibly cause.
mircea_popescu: because!
mircea_popescu: that which is is, and necessarily is, whereas that which is not is not
deadweasel: What if 'I' is not only the body/mind, what if there is a consciousness beyond this.
mircea_popescu: and necessarily is not.
ThickAsThieves: death causes us to value life more, no?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.000202 = 0.303 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: even so. no presumption as to your body or mind was made.
deadweasel: i'm just saying since we don't know the final outcome, assuming it ends at death is a big jump.
mircea_popescu: the greeks disagree :D
deadweasel: as they disagreed with their peers.
mircea_popescu: and /me beams at having injected into conversation like the oldest remaining text as well as various other classical bits
mircea_popescu: AND NOBODY KNEW
ThickAsThieves: who cares what Zeus thinks
deadweasel did way too much introspection this weekend.... or just enough?....
Jere_Jones: Seems to me that being incompetent is a transitional phase that must be passed through. The key is to minimize outside exposure to my incompetence while I work through it?
ThickAsThieves: incompetance is imposed
ThickAsThieves: not assumed
ThickAsThieves: it requires a context
Jere_Jones: A label that must be applied by a third party?
Jere_Jones: That doesn't seem right.
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones why not ?
Jere_Jones: Why can't I say "I am not competent to create X. I must improve."?
mircea_popescu: omg look at this, there's no anaxagoras on teh english web
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones you can, surely.
mircea_popescu: but what if you lack the metacognitive capabilities to see this ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29269 @ 0.00086507 = 25.3197 BTC [-]
Jere_Jones: The more time I spend in here, the more I realize that I know exactly squat.
ThickAsThieves: just make shit up, it works for me
deadweasel: Jere_Jones: you're doing it right then
mircea_popescu: what does he do now ?
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: in fact, empirically, if you think you're not competent enough to create x you must improve you have ~50-50 odds to actually be competent enough.
deadweasel 's parser broke
mircea_popescu: whereas if you think you're competent enough to create x and need no improvement you have ~50-50 odds to actually be competent enough.
deadweasel: ah, i see now
mircea_popescu: deadweasel quotation marks to be supplied by the parser.
Jere_Jones: My opinion of my own competence is irrelevant to my actual competence?
bones`: Jere_Jones, reducing the number of unknown unknowns is a good thing, but takes time
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones pretty much.
Jere_Jones: Well... fuck
deadweasel: Jere_Jones: it's best to always think you're totally incompetent, until you are the expert in a field.
mircea_popescu: welcome to the splendid world of thought.
deadweasel: then it's still best.
ThickAsThieves: although it's typically more fruitful to assume you are wrong than right
ThickAsThieves: maybe fruitful is the wrong word
deadweasel: then, when you act, and fail, you'll be well ready to know exactly where and how you failed.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves never quote me on this or i'll kill you, but, the only reason this hjolds true is because us nuttery about "encouraging" people and so on and so forth. in other cultures the opposite holds true.
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bones`: Welp yer ded
deadweasel: so... like, was that it, or is there something after dead?
deadweasel: death*
deadweasel: brain-death, in my case.
ozbot: Olympia Brass Band - funeral dirge - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: here's how i see it
ThickAsThieves: being alive *is* "heaven"
ThickAsThieves: the rest is being a chaotic pool of particles
mircea_popescu: btw asciilifeform since oyu liked eminescu, here : http://www.romanianvoice.com/poezii/poezii/fulger.php afaik the best elegy in all poetry of THE WORLD
bones`: Trying to find utility in delaying your progress for an afterlife is hard for me
deadweasel: your heaven sounds lame. I'd like not to administer ALTCOIN in heaven.
Jere_Jones: If I believe that I am incompetent, I won't act until I believe that I am, at least minimally, competent. Always thinking that I am totally incompetent would lead to paralysis. At some point I have to open up the editor and lay code down or I am useless.
ThickAsThieves: it's heaven, you can do whatever you want man
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones this is where community becomes important.
mircea_popescu: everyone is incompetent, and will fail.
mircea_popescu: do fail in such a manner as to advance the common truths
mircea_popescu: rather than as to repeat the history of common mistakes.
ThickAsThieves: jere-jones, if that's how you feel, read some Coelho
Jere_Jones bawls "BUT I DON'T WANNA FAIL!"
mircea_popescu: fuck you.
deadweasel: i see what you did there, ThickAsThieves, and I agree.
bones`: blah blah Edison, 1000 ways a lightbulb doesn't work
bones`: Just try to fail with satoshis instead of tens of BTC
mircea_popescu: bones` this sounds smart but it is really just a moving of the trash under the rug
Apocalyptic: or with ATC
ThickAsThieves: “There is only one thing that makes a dream impossible to achieve: the fear of failure.”
mircea_popescu: his point re paralysis remains unscathed.
deadweasel: knowing where that point is, I think, is a skill derived from failing continously up until that point.
bones`: Getting passed that first failure helps
mircea_popescu: no argument.
deadweasel: the jumping off point, for idiots, is as soon as they have an idea.
mircea_popescu: well... "idea".
deadweasel: exaclty
mircea_popescu: "hei guise, wouldn't it be cool if ketchup and mustard came in the same bottle ?"
deadweasel: Mustchup!
deadweasel: my favorite brand!
mircea_popescu: I WILL IPO MY MUSTCHUP IDEA NAOP
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha
mircea_popescu: ketard mustchup!
deadweasel: omg, i must have this.
deadweasel mixes his mustard and ketchup bottles
ThickAsThieves: wait this must exist alrdy
Jere_Jones: It would speed up the hot dog line.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00086363 = 26.168 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones except if people want different proportions.
Jere_Jones: You can already buy peanut butter and jelly mixed together.
ThickAsThieves: i can tell you that mixing sriracha and ketchup is pretty good
mircea_popescu: then you'll have to have 500 mixed bottles and people will argue over which was used.
mircea_popescu: actually this company could come up for its first product
mircea_popescu: with the selzer-salsa.
ThickAsThieves: lol the coelho is spreading!
mircea_popescu: Herp. Derp. Dumbletum trumblemum.
ThickAsThieves: since i cant even tell my jokes from my seriouses, i wanna note that coelho is retarded
mircea_popescu: "and so am i"
ThickAsThieves: he's okay for inspiring pussies i guess
ThickAsThieves: or sating them at least
mircea_popescu: or bedding them
ThickAsThieves: inspirational! would do again!
mircea_popescu: aspie-rational.
ThickAsThieves: assburger's that could be the name for the ketard sriratchup company
deadweasel: working with aspies on a regular basis, I find that hilarious.
deadweasel: sure, leave out mustchup, TATTIES.
deadweasel: cutting me out already
deadweasel: before the mustard is even mixed!
mircea_popescu: yeah. S.ASS. Assburger, inc. An aspie-rational food product company, and MORE.
mod6: mmm. assburgers.
ThickAsThieves: yer too incompetant for this!
deadweasel: it's true
ThickAsThieves: e===a, a=e
ThickAsThieves: now i know my PHPs!
mircea_popescu: "Having just gone through this from the other side of the fence I thought I would share some perspective. The reality is no successful startup founder wants hundreds or thousands of investors. Contrary to the silly games you see on "crypto exchanges" with startups issuing billions of shares to thousands of investors no founder wants that. Less is better when it comes to investors because it means less overhead and m
mircea_popescu: ore time spent on the business."
mircea_popescu: yet somehow dt magically doesn't understand what (one of) the appeal of mpex is.
ThickAsThieves: that statement doesnt even state anything imo
deadweasel: ycombinated minds... again, get yer phraseology outta my brain, mp!
ThickAsThieves: all money is green, right?
benkay: shit apples still taste like shit
mircea_popescu: it's this incredible brainrot people in the us and over 30 have to fight with.
mircea_popescu: basically it's, if you're under 30 you're too stupid to do much anyway. if you're over 30 and us you're too stupid to ever recover
mircea_popescu: or w/e, by the time you manage to brush off all the idiocy you're 50 and ready to retire.
benkay: it's a shame that y combinator is now understood to be a shitty us gambling operation
mircea_popescu: never before has a whole culture been so thoroughly discriminated against by the forces of reality.
ThickAsThieves: where's that quote from?
deadweasel: original
ThickAsThieves: i can't google it
deadweasel: sounds like
mircea_popescu: dt discussing the safello thing with gweedo, who thinks he is an investor.
mircea_popescu: Swedish bitcoin exchange Safello has secured a $600,000 investment that it hopes will push it into the wider European market. The exchange, which launched its service last August, can now count bitcoin luminaries Erik Voorhees and Roger Ver among its investors.
mircea_popescu: Safello, which also saw Blockchain.info CEO Nicolas Cary invest, is currently revamping its website, and promises a range of new services in the coming months.
mircea_popescu: Aside from the amount invested, this investment round is also notable for the number of investors involved. The firm lists 15 in its statement announcing the deal, which would mean an average of $40,000 each (although the investment is likely to be unevenly spread).
mircea_popescu: i really enjoy reading teh forums these days.
mircea_popescu: "look, fifteen people put in fifty bitcoin each! THIS IS HUGE NEWS!!!1"
ThickAsThieves: what a horrible name
ThickAsThieves: like Othello, but Safe?
mircea_popescu: eh they suck at naming things what can i say.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.062604 = 0.313 BTC [-] {4}
ThickAsThieves: Safello, the Geek Tradegy
ThickAsThieves: does anyone even use coinapult?
ThickAsThieves: "nascent" this word is getting old
mircea_popescu: i tried to give them a domain for free back in 2012
mircea_popescu: they never actually managed to collect
mircea_popescu: i dun remember if i even bothered extending it or what happened in the end.
mircea_popescu: and now for something completely different : any interest in a potential S.POT, which'd be a company dedicated to acquiring a florida pot growing license ?
ThickAsThieves: does that exist?
ThickAsThieves: FL pot license
mircea_popescu: speculatively.
mircea_popescu: mp lobbies.
mircea_popescu: when mp lobbies, shit happens.
ThickAsThieves: i'm a supporter of legalization, but i think we're barely getting medical for cancer patients on the ballot this year
ThickAsThieves: either way, i'd invest
kakobrekla: s.pot will make the grounds for s.laughing
ThickAsThieves: where does cannabit operate anyway?
pankkake: you mean s.laughter
pankkake: I'm waiting for s.lut myself
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: I think "it's a secret" - forums are down so can't check
deadweasel: Florida, home of the DEA.
KRS-One: aint that the truth
mod6: why florida?
ThickAsThieves: Sunshine State!
ThickAsThieves: old people
KRS-One: florida was ground zero for the 'pill mill' thing where addicts went dr. shopping for any dr. who would prescribe pain killers then they'd resell them
KRS-One: funny you can still drive around and still see abandoned store fronts that were once 'pain clinics'
KRS-One: I wonder how many doctors are sitting in prison right now who once had it all.
mod6: well, you can get a lic for co or wa today iirc.
ThickAsThieves: now all i see is Vape shops
mod6: just grow indoor.
KRS-One: Anyone besides me here in FL?
mircea_popescu: mod6 lots of old people,
deadweasel: KRS-One, if they had it all, they wouldn't be selling pill illegally?
mircea_popescu: and home of the dea.
ThickAsThieves: all these people putting god knows what into themselves with offbrand ecig flavorings
mod6: ahh.
ThickAsThieves: i'm in FL
ThickAsThieves: i dont want to be, but i am
ThickAsThieves: fukn wife just landed a better job too...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00086454 = 11.0661 BTC [+]
KRS-One: ThickAsThieves same here..sucks for I.T. I'm in south FL, aka little "New York"
mircea_popescu: buncha old jewish princesses ?
KRS-One: mircea_popescu: you bet
mircea_popescu: pankkake so you're in paris, make me something i can call s.lut
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00086497 = 27.679 BTC [+] {3}
pankkake: what's the relation with paris?
KRS-One: deadweasel: the doctors were giving out big time prescriptions and billing insurance for medical services. Typical caselod was probably 150%-200% of what it should have been without the unnecessary prescriptions.
pankkake: oh, lutèce ? :)
mircea_popescu: pankkake isn't that where the s lol
ThickAsThieves: french gaming company, call it Lüt
mircea_popescu: where the sluts live ? intl capital of sluttery ?
pankkake: more bitches than sluts
mircea_popescu: s.bit doesn't have the same bite to it.
KRS-One: Boca Raton FL is like little "New York" and jewish american princesses abound.
ThickAsThieves: Leisure Under the Table
mircea_popescu: del boca vista raton, florida.
KRS-One: Some are quite hawt.
KRS-One: del boca what lol
KRS-One: There is Del Rey Beach
ThickAsThieves: we have a Treasure Island too
KRS-One: yeh those are typical names
KRS-One: ThickAsThieves where is Treasure Island?
ThickAsThieves: maybe good place for S.POT
ThickAsThieves: off cost of Tampa
KRS-One: oh cool
kakobrekla: pankkake its called a laughing stock, not a laughter stock.
KRS-One: I've been to Tampa, party town. Girls were nuts there.
ozbot: Welcome to City of Treasure Island, Florida
mircea_popescu: we already had K.S.Laughter anyway
KRS-One: I dont like the west coast..the gulf is a sesspool.
pankkake: kakobrekla: but, slaughter
kakobrekla: ..rate -500
mircea_popescu: for the people who actually understand graphs and math shit like that, herbi, cads, etc :
kakobrekla: o look a zillion dorra forum is down
mircea_popescu: what'd be the likely effect on the wot if the ratings were free up to maxint ?
mircea_popescu: obv the sum total would just be w/e modulo maxint
deadweasel: KRS-One: The gulf is a cesspool, yes. but it's MY cesspool ^_^
KRS-One: haha you too?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9668 @ 0.00086571 = 8.3697 BTC [+]
deadweasel: raised in S.Texas. Oooh, i like th sound of that. S.Texas
KRS-One: East coast, Atlantic = Best beaches until you get to Sebastian, Daytona
KRS-One: Did you see much from the oil disaster there
ThickAsThieves: so the US residents active in this channel are majority floridian? that can't be
deadweasel: mississipi river dumps all the farmers gobshite into the gulf. death ensues.
KRS-One: thats right, sesspool
deadweasel: i'm NNE states
mircea_popescu: it's like california, florida and new york
mircea_popescu: you know, where money and broadband lives.
KRS-One: mircea_popescu: there sure isnt any I.T. here in Florida..I've got to get my ass to California at some point.
deadweasel: and we're overrun by brown people.
deadweasel: whom we LOVE.
deadweasel: because yards don't clip themselves
deadweasel censors self
davout: hello
ThickAsThieves: my lawn guy is white
KRS-One: my guy is mexican and i dont know how he gets it all done so fast
Jere_Jones is catching up
mircea_popescu: KRS-One ask the wife ? :D
Jere_Jones is in Florida as well
KRS-One: LMAO!!!
KRS-One: As long as he keeps the bushes trimmed =D
deadweasel: my mom had a tennis coach for a while, pretty sure they were fucking
deadweasel: but maybe not, who knows
mircea_popescu: i knew there was some bush comedy-value-add in there somewhere.
KRS-One: deadweasel: The important thing is that she was happy. As long as our parents are happy right?
ThickAsThieves: mp did he acknowl your twet?
deadweasel: yup, agreeed
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i didn't look lessee
deadweasel: they are still happy
ozbot: Yes, it's official, Ben Lawsky has agreed to the Reddit AMA : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: Someone who curses in public is strongly signaling 1) substance, 2) no hypocrisy, 3) freedom of opinion... But he is not necessarily right.
mircea_popescu: whoa check out mr taleb
mircea_popescu: i really like that guy more and more wtf.
davout: black swan is supposedely an awesome read
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00086336 = 24.3468 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: lawsky likes his supernintendo meme
mircea_popescu: davout factually.
kakobrekla: what meme
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves see you made me go on twitter now im spending mah bitcoins,
mircea_popescu: you'll be the poverty of me.
davout: worth being ordered? so be it
ThickAsThieves: "Andreas discusses the value of decentralization IN ALL THINGS." oh noes
mircea_popescu: definitely.
mircea_popescu: anyway, no, the lawsky fellow is still wallowing in his own irrelevance.
ThickAsThieves: he'll be bitcoin jesus next week
mircea_popescu: lmao now this is a good bitbet :
mircea_popescu: first us official to be arrested over bitcoin stuff.
davout: ThickAsThieves: not sure if good or new bruce wagner
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 79 @ 0.0055 = 0.4345 BTC
ThickAsThieves: i think lawsky actually loves bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: and is just trying to do his job
kakobrekla: like nsa loves privacy
ThickAsThieves: while a funny juxtapos, no
kakobrekla: he did express some feelings re dogecoin though.
ThickAsThieves: his job is probably impossible though
ThickAsThieves: to mate his world and bitcoin's
ThickAsThieves: regardless of his bias
ozbot: Meet the Woman Who Straight-Up Rocks a Beard
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07496329 = 0.8246 BTC [+] {3}
deadweasel: beardo
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves possibly.
mircea_popescu: is jezebel the dyke site ?
mircea_popescu: "Starting at 11, her polycystic ovary syndrome made her hair growth really dramatic, the Huffington Post reports. She tried shaving, bleaching, waxing twice a week but nothing quite worked. In school, she was bullied, called names like "beardo" and "she-male," because people seem to think it's okay to act like a complete fucking monster."
mircea_popescu: and... it isn't ?
kakobrekla: im sorry but lotsa hair does not imply 'shemale', noobs.
mircea_popescu: a beard ?!
mircea_popescu: dude, everyone i know *in that way* is shaved down there.
davout: kakobrekla doesn't get fooled into sex that easily
ThickAsThieves: can you electrolysis the face?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves basically your role in the atc ecosystem is to be hijacked
mircea_popescu: you're the HJO.
mircea_popescu: " tells you everything about the dev who I will guess could care less about how is coin appears to us miners.
mircea_popescu: which ill add without us miners the coin is nothing ... devs need to sell us, show us its worth out hardware, time, n electric
mircea_popescu: otherwise ... he can sit at home and solo mine every coin himself. "
mircea_popescu: teh miners tell it like it is yo! lol
ThickAsThieves: they wanna be pitched
ThickAsThieves: maybe i'll go in there waiving bounties around
ThickAsThieves: no one takes me up on them anyway
mircea_popescu: lol splendid way to end up alt-bankrupt
Apocalyptic: https://www.newaltex.com/ another cc exchange sigh
ozbot: Newaltex - MINT/BTC Market
mircea_popescu: "totally agree. What dev will do for a sample, if chain will have some bug and he still not got profit to pay real developer for fix?"
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic there will be ~5k of these.
Apocalyptic: mircea, yeah it's the new trend, everyone got to make one
mircea_popescu: "At present we experience difficulties with the e-mail server. The pool is transferred to a mode of service and will be postponed for other hosting."
mircea_popescu: none of these people are english native speakers are they.
pankkake: also, they have the fake altcoin
mircea_popescu: Please check out https://www.newaltex.com/ ALT/BTC pair added ready for some trading. Its a fairly new site but growing daily. Really cool dev too.
mircea_popescu: o the same one hehe
Apocalyptic: yeah got the link from there
mircea_popescu: off of it's users
Apocalyptic: thay have over600 ATCs on asks
mircea_popescu: The trade engine will trade only with orders that match your desired trade rate. This means that if you submit an order with a rate of .10, it will only match with other orders with a rate of .10, not .12 or .08. There is no dynamic rate calculation present right now in the Crypto Rush trade engine.
mircea_popescu: this sounds like it shgou;d partner with that clickclick guy
mircea_popescu: We are sorry for causing any inconvenience with this method. Please keep this in mind while trading, and that it's not a bug but still being worked on while Crypto Rush is in Beta.
mircea_popescu: Wallets are stored separate from the site, we backup often. We built from the ground up with security in mind
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 198 @ 0.0008455 = 0.1674 BTC [+]
pankkake: cryptorush also has negative balances
ThickAsThieves: wait is ALT=ATC?
ThickAsThieves: at newaltex
mircea_popescu: o look #cryptorush
mircea_popescu: they have a webirc embed on the page.
dub: cryptocrush?
dub invents next big thing
Apocalyptic: cryptorush claims to have : Total BTC volume:2,800.36597993
ozbot: Linkandzelda's Projects | The Home Of Everything I Do
mircea_popescu: we know it to be so because his homepage has an irc which also embeds webirc the same way
mircea_popescu: he has a hosting whitelabel, a pokemon community...
mircea_popescu: this dude either is usagi
mircea_popescu: or else should have usagi's babies.
pLambert: I got a coinbase phishing email today. It was very convincing.
davout: a phishing e-mail pretending to be a legitimate scam company, heh
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1634938/plain/)
mircea_popescu: so im currently tryign to buy facebook followers from the cryptotard in his irc channel
mircea_popescu: curious what comes of this. there's ~150 people there but nobody says anything
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu can you auth plox?
kakobrekla: first s.pot, now buying facebook shits
kakobrekla: i dont belive it.
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: shit i forgot my key guise!!1
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e8184214a3f62d741e64b684dad0a7e561d3314ad57e8ff10c9a4b60
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
kakobrekla: dammit, its real.
mircea_popescu: anyway kakobrekla you just don't understand the range of my interests!
mircea_popescu: but srsly nao : the guy that made a lolexchange which only matches exact price
mircea_popescu: also runs a "buy twitter followers" and "generate fake testimonials" site
davout: even localbitcoins has a better engine...
mircea_popescu: this is pretty epic shit.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 292 @ 0.00301 = 0.8789 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: although you have to admit it's better than r3wt's one
mircea_popescu: meanwhile they're also sending spam emails, because their servers got blacklisted
mircea_popescu: and so are having a meltdown in their own chan
mircea_popescu: <Devianttwo> iscrawler: I checked our email system 5 minutes ago
mircea_popescu: <Devianttwo> we have send 2 k emails in 24 hours.
mircea_popescu: robert keith cristopher jr.
Jere_Jones: Shoulda used ses to send out emails
ozbot: Robert Keith Christopher JR's Resume
mircea_popescu: I am applying to be a full-time employee at this location. Before moving to Lake City, FL; I worked as a cashier and many jobs in Ocean Springs, MS. This includes 2 years at KFC/Long John Silver as there head cashier. After moving here to Lake City, FL I worked as a DirecTV Technical Support agent at Sitel. I worked there for about a year before moving on to Walmart in Lake City, FL. I worked at Walmart for about a yea
mircea_popescu: r and I then moved on to work for the Census (US Goverment) for about 1 month. Once I finished with that; I worked as a call agent from home which included taking orders for multiple different companies. I also helped run a company called FragCorner.net which was a game server hosting company for 5 years. I believe that my exceptional customer service record is one of my key qualities that I can bring to you're store.
mircea_popescu: omfg this shit is epic.
Apocalyptic: dude he's an expert cashier
mircea_popescu: this is going on trilema.
kakobrekla: to you are store?
kakobrekla: who is store?
mircea_popescu: too good typefaction.
ThickAsThieves: who is this guy?
ThickAsThieves: i missed something
mircea_popescu: so read log
ThickAsThieves: i thought i did, it's r3wt?
Apocalyptic: cryptorush's admin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07999799 = 0.16 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: well, one of them
mircea_popescu: i dunno r3wt has anything to do with it
Apocalyptic: <Devianttwo> which it looks like they are...
Apocalyptic: <Devianttwo> for the love of god who broke them now...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00020749 = 1.6599 BTC [+] {5}
Apocalyptic: mircea stop breaking dem mails
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 520 @ 0.00020769 = 0.108 BTC [+] {3}
Jere_Jones: Their order matching engine must be completely whack.
mircea_popescu: fellow americans : is "Youth Challenge Program" some special for-tards thing over there ?
davout: it's not an engine, it's probably an == or an === operator
Jere_Jones: I know, right
mircea_popescu: davout an operator ~==== an engine
davout: mircea_popescu: lol
Jere_Jones: oooo 4 ='s
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones omg noob. ~= is an operator and === is another operator.
davout: it's the "no-seriously-i-mean-it" PHP equality operator
mircea_popescu: their power combined ~=> engine
Jere_Jones: like C++'s toward operator?
nicknock: hey guys, do you know where I can still find tradable gox derivs? plus500 removed it and btc.sx is out of reserves.
Jere_Jones: while (c --> 0) { // do shit }
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1220 @ 0.00020989 = 0.2561 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52100002 = 1.563 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00086271 = 20.36 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.07502525 = 0.3001 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: lol get this
ThickAsThieves: Asked why the company hadn't addressed customers' concern sooner, Mr. Karpelès responded in an email interview with The Wall Street Journal on Monday: "I assume you refer to the malleability issue. We sincerely apologize for this incident; however, please understand that we are NOT the developers of Bitcoin." He added, "We are very surprised that anyone could fault MtGox instead of
ThickAsThieves: the bitcoin software."
mircea_popescu: nicknock sorry what ?!
ThickAsThieves: he wants to fuck with cheap goxcoins i think
ThickAsThieves: "fuck with" in the hiphop sense
nicknock: mp :) i'd like to place some leveraged bets on the goxbtc / goxusd rate.
nicknock: heh, if i'd have the stash to "fuck with" it, i'd likely have lost it already
ThickAsThieves: Ukraine's capital streamed live as police threaten crackdown
ozbot: Espreso TV - LIVE - YouTube
nicknock: how are the mpex fiat futures settled?
davout: nicknock: delivery
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 47 @ 0.02420002 = 1.1374 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 26 @ 0.05800001 = 1.508 BTC [-] {4}
davout: nicknock: it's in the contract
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.077 = 0.154 BTC [-]
ozbot: Robert Keith Cristopher, Jr ; Matt Sartain ; Kristian Thomson ; Cryptorush : much comedy & lulzgoldm
Jere_Jones: Woohoo!! Time to use my credits!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.07699912 = 0.308 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.07887488 = 0.631 BTC [+] {5}
nicknock: TaT: i'm thinking of transferring some asicminer from 796 to havelock. never transferred shares before, any caveats to think of?
mircea_popescu: and special thanks to pankkake
mircea_popescu: also logs if anyone conceivably wants them http://dpaste.com/1635097/
ThickAsThieves: nicknock, i never worked with 796, you;ll need to convert to direct shares first
ThickAsThieves: otherwise, instructions are in the description
Jere_Jones: "I would be lost without Trilema. It's exactly what I've been looking for."
nicknock: TaT: ok thanks
mircea_popescu: Petrina Urina ?
Jere_Jones: Sure. Why not?
mircea_popescu: he could at least have gone the whole distance and made he names funny.
mircea_popescu: Petrina Ypsilanti the 3rd
mircea_popescu: Desdemona Safello
Jere_Jones: Then you'd have the real Petrina Ypsilanti the 3rd saying "I never said that!
mircea_popescu: Cuntess Ersatz-Szerbet of Elderberry
Jere_Jones: Can't have that.
pankkake: hahaha I love the last one
mircea_popescu: sorta sounds like erzsi bathory
mircea_popescu: jurovs' dreamgal
jurov: yup
jurov: have you seen the recent slovak film about her?
jurov: she's very charming
mircea_popescu: i haven't, no.
mircea_popescu: lots of nudity and pubescent gore ?
ozbot: Bathory: Countess of Blood (2008) - IMDb
mircea_popescu: is it any good ? 6.0 doesn't promise
jurov: some hints.. but it's never clear
jurov: it's just weird as everyhinng from that director
mircea_popescu: “I also like to help people setup multiple things”
mircea_popescu: …such as the bomb.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many actual nuts that end up shooting people COULD in fact be detected by reading facebook pages.
jurov: they can, but only if they are in love
Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu Maybe add a part at the end of your latest post about not being a tard. "Steer clear of all tards. Don't be a tard. That is all."
mircea_popescu: how is a tard not going to be a tard ?
mircea_popescu: i mean i don't mind telling people what to do, but i'm kind-of partial to telling them to do that which can be done.
Jere_Jones: By recognizing that one is a tard? Isn't that the first step to nontardism?
mircea_popescu: you're slow, you're slow. what are you going to do ?
mircea_popescu: move out of the fast lane and enjoy the view.
mircea_popescu: everyone ends up in the same place anyway.
Jere_Jones: I think I may be a tard. I am certain that I was a tard. I don't want to be a tard in the future.
mircea_popescu: dude get out of here. what was your resume like at 30 ?
Jere_Jones: I have never written a resume, but if I had, it would have been dominated by Aviation Electronics Technician, US Navy.
Jere_Jones: Every job I've ever had has been via word of mouth.
mircea_popescu: this one is dominated by stocking shelves.
Jere_Jones: That *was* funny.
ThickAsThieves: this is my tard, there are many tards like it, but this one is mine
mircea_popescu: so you know, doing stupid shit is one thing, being a tard is a different thing.
Jere_Jones: My resume at 18 would have been dominated by KFC. He sounds like a kid.
Jere_Jones: KFC and construction. Ah... the days of no responsibilities. Just touching breasts, thighs and legs...
Jere_Jones: Speaking of responsibilities. Back to them. Thanks for the laughs. I needed them.
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones the ged was in 2001.
mircea_popescu: 2001 you hear me /
Jere_Jones: Damn. Being generous would put him at 14 at the time. That would make him 27-ish now?
Jere_Jones: Being realistic, he was 18 at the time so he's past 30 now.
Jere_Jones: That's a long time to work dead-end jobs.
mircea_popescu: time don't flow equally fast for everybody.
jurov: how NSA leveraged failed startups tards and the like
mircea_popescu: "I agree with his final point. We've done the technical approach. It was a good effort, but if the theorising (I'm assuming that a lot of this is theorising?) is true, we can't build our way out of this problem. We have to shut down organisations and programmes like this by bringing them to the light of day, and the only approach to that is political."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC
mircea_popescu: which brings us to why we're here.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27983 @ 0.00086271 = 24.1412 BTC [-]
jurov: i'd recommend it to acsiilifeform, too but no rectothermals are involved
mircea_popescu: why so mean. so the guy likes his plugs warm.
mircea_popescu: The stated mission of the Youth Challenge Program is "to intervene in and reclaim the lives of at-risk youth to produce program graduates with the values, skills, education and self-discipline necessary to succeed as adults."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.0055 = 1.65 BTC
mircea_popescu: The program accepts 16-18 year old male and female high school dropouts who are drug-free and not in trouble with the law.
jurov: as i'm watching this, got very strong suspicion about doge
jurov: anyone with me?
xeroblaze0: suspicion about what
jurov: just watch the orchestra video
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [-]
ozbot: BBC News - Big bitcoin exchange 'fixes' trading glitch
ThickAsThieves: fixed but not fixed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24762 @ 0.0008635 = 21.382 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: BBC i'm disappoint
jcpham: mtgox has fixed bitcoin hoorah!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37257 @ 0.00086271 = 32.142 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07302727 = 0.8033 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves gotta make fiddy bux somehow. to buy al lthe memes
jurov: mircea_popescu: yes, but i enjoy how clearly it's laid out there
mircea_popescu: i enjoy even more how little it did.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.0008648 = 8.9074 BTC [+]
KRS-One: Here's my recent fav
KRS-One: Does Magical Tux enjoy Coffee or is it Dessert?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0055 = 0.2475 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0055 = 0.165 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1183 @ 0.00021259 = 0.2515 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 694 @ 0.00021259 = 0.1475 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.003025 = 0.2783 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 159 @ 0.00302185 = 0.4805 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06250006 = 0.125 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: "Herbalife Ltd. reported fourth-quarter profits ... that exceeded analysts’ expectations. The results marked the 20th straight quarter the nutritional supplement maker’s profit figures have exceeded Wall Street’s estimates" ...this world...
KRS-One: that shit is still going?
nicknock: New investors born daily!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.0770003 = 0.539 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: strong 3rd world sales, no doubt.
mircea_popescu: every romanian chick that's not starving while pretending to be working in pr is starving pretending to sell hebalife, avon and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: maybe one in ten has the sense (or really, the looks) to actually do something worthwhile with her time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00086172 = 25.4207 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: Our condolenses to parents of Mikhail Sindeyev | Graphics and Media Lab
ThickAsThieves: "thecoder behind Namecoin-QT and main dev of Huntercoin has passed away suddenly, aged 27 from a stroke"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34308 @ 0.00085718 = 29.4081 BTC [-] {2}
the20year2: As a quick FYI for RENT investors, we are persuing two individual properties currently.
deadweasel: oh shit, sorry
ozbot: Our condolenses to parents of Mikhail Sindeyev | Graphics and Media Lab
cazalla: young for a stroke esp deadly one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36802 @ 0.0008648 = 31.8264 BTC [+]
arij: hello
ozbot: EBay, PayPal Most Successful Together, Donahoe Says: Video - Bloomberg
arij: what was that bitcoin prediction website?
arij: bit something?
arij: nvm, found it
the20year2: ANyone have any short term estimates on BTC price, like for the week?
xeroblaze0: good luck with that
xeroblaze0: thursday will mess everything up
the20year2: What's thursday?
jcpham: over 9000 by then
xeroblaze0: another gox announcement
jcpham: dogecoin support coming to mtgox in just shy of 2 weeks time
the20year2: i was thinking thursday was their announcement if they'd resume withdrawl/deposits
TomServo: i was thinking maybe seppuku
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1376 @ 0.00086489 = 1.1901 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: from that Ebay vid: ""You can use digital currencies in the paypal digital wallet, that's in fact what PayPal is doing is building a digital wallet that can take multiple types of currencies." - John Donahue, CEO of eBay."
ThickAsThieves: quoted imediately after he was asked how paypal could compete with bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00086784 = 2.0828 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00302845 = 0.1514 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00302852 = 0.1242 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 106 @ 0.00504974 = 0.5353 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00501 = 0.2555 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 1.875 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00086784 = 8.852 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20645 @ 0.00086814 = 17.9228 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0242 = 0.2178 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: jurov: i saw that thing (and, if i recall, posted it here) when it came out.
asciilifeform: it's a spoof (if that wasn't clear)
asciilifeform: but the facts are, well... factual.
asciilifeform: (re: 'orchestra.')
nubbins`: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: S.POT, canada is outlawing personal growing for medical marijuana patients in april, and the entire system will move over to private growers. legal at federal level. country full of world-renowned growers. number of licensed users expected to grow tenfold over next decade. nice business to have established when across-the-board legalization eventually comes around.
nubbins`: A+++++++++++ WOULD INVEST IN :0
gribble: The operation succeeded.
WillTablet: Gotta get me some altcoin invested in that
cazalla: anyone else wagering robot wins vs human in ping pong
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7905 @ 0.00086784 = 6.8603 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Where?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 'The Death of Fulger': http://flibusta.net/b/268651/read#r73
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interesting how there is never a translation (of whatever quality) to english
asciilifeform: poor english.
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decimation: have any of you looked at 'pynode'
decimation: it's a python bitcoin network client
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00086738 = 8.8473 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.52100001 = 7.294 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.52 = 5.72 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7569 @ 0.00086738 = 6.5652 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.50712001 = 2.5356 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.50586 = 2.5293 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4056 @ 0.00086561 = 3.5109 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3044 @ 0.00086561 = 2.6349 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7465 @ 0.00086513 = 6.4582 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00086562 = 7.3145 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.0030323 = 0.2668 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11327 @ 0.00086742 = 9.8253 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00503001 = 0.1962 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 1.875 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.08499962 = 0.85 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.08499999 = 1.02 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: interesting nubbins`
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14588 @ 0.0008676 = 12.6565 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i guess i must be an old arse, everyone i heard was very excited for some reason.
mircea_popescu: i guess the people that got the licenses in colorado made out ok.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00086423 = 5.6175 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol so paypal wants to compete with bitcoin by making... yet another webwallet.
the20year: will it take bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: course their webwallet would have an exchange built in, which by now they're probably testing and which nobody will be either to compete with or outlaw.
KRS-One: .bait
the20year: will be interesting
mircea_popescu: so i guess there goes the market for man-and-his-dreams exchanges.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 73 @ 0.003 = 0.219 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: I don't know if Paypal can make the jump from holding nothing of value on their servers to holding numbers of extreme value.
the20year: Correct
the20year: i think it could be good for worldwide acceptance, but won't displace many
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they hold ccs
mircea_popescu: this, prior to bitcoin was the most valuable and only valuable thing to keep on a server.
mircea_popescu: anyway, they of any sense'll treat their investments in coinbase/whatever exchange as having terms of 1 year tops.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You wrote before on the subject of stolen credentials like credit card numbers making a poor currency due to their short lifespan.
mircea_popescu: this is true.
mircea_popescu: but you are telling me that bitstamp has better ops and it security than paypal ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6552 @ 0.00086848 = 5.6903 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.07499997 = 0.375 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: i know the answer to that!!
mircea_popescu: lol i was thinking, "and after you're done telling me go tell kako"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.07499997 = 0.45 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: anyway, the greater strategic implication here is that given my lukewarm at best interest in the fiat side,
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.07499997 = 0.225 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and given the horridly ineptitude of the tech people + the horridly dishonest ineptitude of the "business" people involved in the "market" let's call it for lack of a better term of interfacing bitcoin and fiats
mircea_popescu: we are losing control over the thing.
mircea_popescu: after paypal offers transparent exchanging into and from bitcoin to anyone with a paypal account we won't even KNOW what the exchange rate is anymore.
mircea_popescu: not that we necessarily care, but it is the first actual loss in the field.
chetty: It will be whatever paypal is giving +30% (their fee)
mircea_popescu: basically what they do now, if you move usd to eur or w/e
mircea_popescu: they charge whatever they want and that's that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00086848 = 1.3461 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I'm leaning towards supposing all BTC/fiat interface operations come with finite lifespans.
mircea_popescu: people said this of paypal originally.
mircea_popescu: but it's been stabe for 20 years.
kakobrekla: well everything in this fuckin universe comes with a finite lifespan
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know wells fargo was originally a stagecoach company ?
mircea_popescu: cca 1800
BingoBoingo: Some things are more finite than others.
kakobrekla: depends on the amount of '='
mircea_popescu: "your code does not have a large enough amount of ="
mircea_popescu: CHECK UR PRIVILEGDE!
BingoBoingo: Things like matter and form have less finitude
ozbot: Medical marijuana production in Canada set for dramatic change | National Post
asciilifeform: and then THC-secreting genmod tomato is introduced, and people forget the idiot political crap.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14246 @ 0.00086848 = 12.3724 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: it's not so much the THC itself as it is all the other cannabinoids
nubbins`: plain ol' THC pills have been around for ages and never really gained much traction
asciilifeform: doesn't have to be an exact replica. only equally fun. and not readily visually detectable.
nubbins`: "Health Canada estimates that by 2024, the 'legal marijuana supply industry' may have annual revenues of $1.3-billion."
nubbins`: eating a tomato will never be equally as enjoyable as smoking a joint :D
BingoBoingo: Well there were K2 and the other products from Asian and pacific pharmaceutical manufacterer's after hours production
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.0030323 = 0.2881 BTC [+]
nubbins`: “Health Canada had valid concerns” about the authorized license applications they were receiving last year, says Mr. Kennedy. Many displayed a “lack of sophistication” about the medical marijuana industry, or had a “lack of capital,” he says. The department “was concerned about the ability of new licence holders to meet demand.”
nubbins`: k2 etc is for idiots
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Was... was for idiots.
asciilifeform: the point was not that diddled tomatoes in particular will replace smokable delights, but that the idiocy of prohibition could be technologically finessed
nubbins`: ah, even better then
asciilifeform: if someone saw fit to do so.
decimation: ascii did you see the maryland "cyber center" link?
asciilifeform: old news
asciilifeform: it's yet another idiot funnel for the public treasury (incl. grants) into the pockets of 'seekoority' hucksters.
decimation: I feel bad for the youth who will be swindled into giving their flower to rank idiocy
decimation: also: steve sailor makes the point that marygeewanna is 'good smoke' - need to remind people that it can start fires too: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/02/good-smoking-v-bad-smoking.html
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decimation: "Smoking tobacco is losing so it seems reasonable to ban smoking it even in your own car while driving through a brushfire zone. Smoking marijuana is winning, so it doesn't seem like the ban on smoking in Laurel Canyon applies to dope."
decimation: It seems to me that there would be some value in having a multicast stream of blockchain updates
decimation: it's so sad that multicast is broken for almost everyone
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nubbins`: meh. in the early days of canada's national parks, they had to put signs up reminding people not to toss lit cigarettes or tap pipe bowls onto the ground
nubbins`: the simpler explanation is "people are idiots and need explicit signage" rather than "good smoke / bad smoke"
BingoBoingo: The simpler solution is to remember to grind spent but warm cigarette butts into the dirt when traversing a tinderbox.
nubbins`: that's not simpler at all :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.06299999 = 0.189 BTC [-]
decimation: what I don't understand is why bitcoin network code uses TCP, yet includes optimization hacks to try to improve performance. Why not manage things properly at the application layer with UDP?
asciilifeform: decimation: neither the only nor the most egregious kludge in the ref. client.
decimation: no, but I find the overuse of TCP to be an annoyance. TCP was made by the devil to help people trick themselves
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I feel bad for the youth who will be swindled into giving their flower to rank idiocy <<< unlike what other youth ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol
ozbot: O hai let me verify your identity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
decimation: alas, youth is wasted on the young
mircea_popescu: which lass ? :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5621 @ 0.00086849 = 4.8818 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: but yeah.
mircea_popescu: decimation because satoshi didn't understand udp and couldn' find any libraries.
mircea_popescu: because they mostly don't exist standalone because people in gaming need and so make them
mircea_popescu: but anyway, bored young minds with the strength of oxen wishing to create an ACTUAL altcoin are well advised to try and specify bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: by the time they're done they will have collected enough tidbits (such as this one) to actually make an alt with a chance.
decimation: yeah. The end-to-end argument ( http://www.reed.com/dpr/locus/Papers/EndtoEnd.html ) was written in the early 80's and seems to have been ignored ever since
mircea_popescu: decimation in anyone's defense, nobody can know everything.
asciilifeform: classy crapware, btw, tends to speak with pure udp.
mircea_popescu: we are today right here in this chan in a much softer seat than satoshi ever was
mircea_popescu: simply because there's a collection of idiots rather than a single idiot.
decimation: this is true. I would rather have bitcoin as-is than no bitcoin
BingoBoingo: I imagine Satoshi is a lurker in this chan, never speaking, but simply logging the lols
mircea_popescu: decimation it still IS a prototype.
mircea_popescu: it's role never having been to be worth "x billionty dollars" but simply to support nurture and allow this conversation.
mircea_popescu: anyway, paul baran's work is ALSO mostly forgotten
mircea_popescu: and perhaps the larger loss. as people today interact with him like with shakespeare, out of reinterpreted reinterpretations of copies
mircea_popescu: rather than considering the actual points
decimation: oh, he did Ricochet
BingoBoingo: "Rock Glass while doing high-impact sports. Glass is a piece of technology, so use common sense. Water skiing, bull riding or cage fighting with Glass are probably not good ideas." https://sites.google.com/site/glasscomms/glass-explorers
mircea_popescu: he did a metric ton of shit
decimation: there are still Ricochet boxes that dot the countryside in the US
asciilifeform: decimation: got at least 6 of those just on my street.
asciilifeform: they still respond to signals! i once bought a ricochet modem just to determine this.
decimation: I wonder if they still work :)
decimation: lol awesome
asciilifeform: they work - but no backhaul.
mircea_popescu: o quit quitting is it! i see
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 837 @ 0.00021259 = 0.1779 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: ricochet was a classic example of a co. with a real, useful product, killed by gross mismanagement
asciilifeform: leaving a gap of several yrs with no economical replacement
asciilifeform: before the appearance of inexpensive/ubiquitous 'ip over cellular'
decimation: right. It seems to me that there is still space to compete in that market for bottom dollar text/email
asciilifeform: ricochet was a true mesh network
asciilifeform: even now i can get the modems to pass garbage from one end of the town to another.
decimation: I always wondered how they would deal with constrained nodes
BingoBoingo: I remember when half of the failed grocers and restauranteurs tried to set up competing dial up ISPs
decimation: chokepoints in the graph
decimation: I think guys like him and Vint Cerf see what the Internet has become and are sad
decimation: like idiots using stateless protocols like http to "log in"
ozbot: A Mathematical Proof Too Long To Check - Slashdot
asciilifeform: decimation: the rot goes far deeper.
asciilifeform: decimation: see, for example: the notion of 'formats.' (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is a classic example of 'proofiness'
asciilifeform: (to borrow from herr bush's 'truthiness')
asciilifeform: people who put no value on understanding.
mircea_popescu: proofines = the quality of something which isn't proven but you'd like it to be.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I might lean towards thinking the proof is valid, but could come in at hundreds of KB if only enough Aspies were locked in an attic with some meth.
mircea_popescu: ofcourseyouwould.jpg
decimation: ugh, the worst offenders for hardware codecs are the DVSI guys
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I imagine Breaking Bad takes place in an Alternate universe where Erdos had to cook his own amphetamines.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: the fool's fake passport: once it becomes possible to do business only with those who follow formula of 'fuck people, do business with keys,' social engineering goes mostly away.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0995 = 0.199 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or at least, social engineering as we know it.
decimation: on the other hand, you could argue that "IS-95" is a "format" and Qualcomm camps out on that with their custom crapware
mircea_popescu: social engineering as the venetians knew it "mostly went away" too.
asciilifeform: it will resolve to elaborate ruses to steal keys
asciilifeform: which is still an improvement.
mircea_popescu tries to remember who decimation is. who are you decimation ?
decimation: I'm some guy livin' in the US
the20year: oh my
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the novel of "how will SE look in a post-key apocalypse" could be an interesting novel.
mircea_popescu: haha ok.
asciilifeform: see the immortal 'Shall Be Delivered'.
asciilifeform: (by mpoe-pr)
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem much there yet.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm juggling 8 tasks, but is there a bounty on the post key apocolypse novel?
ozbot: Shall be Delivered | The Whet
asciilifeform: required reading, for anyone who gives half a damn.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not particularly
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asciilifeform: the author, about whom i know virtually nothing else - is a titan.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Understandable.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That author is from what I understand an expatriate Californian
ozbot: Codec 2 « Rowetel
decimation: this guy is a hero to the amateur radio guys - he's making is own open-source codec for low bitrate speech
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean of the whet ?!
asciilifeform: whoever wrote that tale
asciilifeform: if i recall, it was mpoe-pr
mircea_popescu: i am guessing you'll be meeting her.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It was indeed
mircea_popescu: she's not really a titan, like D.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps you've heard the infamous ' Я русский бы выучил только за то, что им разговаривал Ленин' line
asciilifeform: (deliberately ungrammatical. it is spoken by some conquered savage, in a Mayakovsky poem)
asciilifeform: ('russian i would learn, simply because, it was spoken by lenin')
mircea_popescu: paaaaartiiiiiaa leeeniiinaa
decimation: why not German spoken by Marx?
mircea_popescu: or hegel.
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mircea_popescu: but yes, this is the major criterion i employ to guide me linguistically.
mircea_popescu: i've not learned chinese yet mostly because i know of no noteworthy intellectual achievement in their classics.
mircea_popescu: i did learn english because shakespeare is good.
asciilifeform: point being, if that piece were written by a demented martian, i should like to learn martian.
decimation: that's what I was about to ask
decimation: they have 5,000 years of bureaucracy
asciilifeform: the chinese, as i understand, got stuck in a certain 'thermodynamic' trap
mircea_popescu: decimation it's not even the bureaucracy. i despise their 5000 years of dumbass comme-il-faut-confucianism
asciilifeform: of, you could say, insufficiently high temperature in the simulated-annealing sense.
asciilifeform: they 'color within the lines' (as pre-braindamage paul graham put it)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tell you what. they had alchemy inception cca 2nd century BC.
mircea_popescu: we have extant inscriptions enough to certify this.
asciilifeform: they had countless neat things.
mircea_popescu: by 1800 they were still dicking around.
BingoBoingo: I'm still lol'ing at decades of nutrition made soldier outgrow the chinese army's tanks
mircea_popescu: the head whore cixi rejected trains because they were TOO NOISY
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this was an actual problem in japanese metro in the '80s.
asciilifeform: the kids wouldn't fit in their parents' chairs.
decimation: There is something about the West that breeds a certain creativity that is absent in the far East
BingoBoingo: Well, I guess this makes a case for chemistry as being a somewhat acceptable surrogate for food.
mircea_popescu: yes. a derisive despising of the other.
decimation: every man for himself vs. veneration for the entire family/community?
BingoBoingo: If only the Chinese had enough inate malice, they could have been the ones to hook the English on opium
asciilifeform: rec. reading re: china: 'The Rise of Early Modern Science: Islam, China and the West', T. E. Huff
asciilifeform: dives into, (for those of us who do not know chinese) the reasons why the gadgets did not transition into what we think of as 'technology'
mircea_popescu: decimation something in that sense. i dunno that it could be readily reducible to any other form.
asciilifeform: and why their alchemists got firmly wedged in alchemy
mircea_popescu: both sets of chimps will readily ensalve the troop for their benefit
mircea_popescu: but the western chimps tend to lol at the slave troop while doing it.
mircea_popescu: this contains the seeds of improvement.
mircea_popescu: this is perhaps usable as an explanation of why the us and generallythe english world collapses today
decimation: rather than the slaves accepting the mandate of heaven
mircea_popescu: it all begun when they decided it'd be more stable if they stopped making fun of their captives.
mircea_popescu: more stable it did in fact become
mircea_popescu: who knew that sort of ossified, concrete stability is the enemy of long term survival.
mircea_popescu: what ants knew what cracks are.
decimation: frank herbert hints at that in Dune
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mircea_popescu: i guess so yeah
decimation: somehow this ties into all voice and no exit
decimation: why didn't the 1000 BC Chinese sail to the new world and scap some Indians?
asciilifeform: 'Group Responses to Specially Skilled Individuals in a Macaca fascicularis Group'. E. Stammbach
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mircea_popescu: decimation perhaps, but that may well be misleading. hard to see
asciilifeform: the chinese visited some of our present dysfunctions rather early on.
asciilifeform: see the Zheng He voyages
mircea_popescu: (i'm not nearly that well informed in azn matters)
asciilifeform: (arguably their equivalent of 'space program')
asciilifeform: brought back animals from africa, etc. to no useful end
asciilifeform: result: fleet burned, deep sea navigation verboten - as wasteful...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because they could never sail, because they were fucktarded in the roman sense
mircea_popescu: (who also could not - ever - sail)
mircea_popescu: because who is this sea and how dares it move!
asciilifeform: sailing isn't quite enough though
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