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← 2014-01-05 | 2014-01-07 → ↓
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30626 @ 0.00090616 = 27.7521 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21653 @ 0.00090653 = 19.6291 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39597 @ 0.00090684 = 35.9081 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: "my raising opinion is the fact that"
mircea_popescu: internet people thinking, should be a website, like the people of walmart one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.000907 = 13.6957 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00090636 = 14.3205 BTC [-]
nanotube: ;;later tell benkay /viewgpg.php you can look up by keyid. you'll get a nice link if you ask gribble for 'gpg info somenickyouwant'. or if you want you can get the entire db.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Duffer1: MP i believe the site you're looking for is 4chan
mircea_popescu: i always thought of that as more of a "free association" exercise.
mircea_popescu: sort of dada-resurected.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6159 @ 0.00090711 = 5.5869 BTC [+]
Duffer1: MP if you ever start to doubt that washington post article you linked yesterday there's always http://www.reddit.com/r/MURICA/
mircea_popescu: !t m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / 265.25509326 / 265.25509326 (955 shares, 5.08 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: 2650 ? srsly ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00090711 = 11.7471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.0009074 = 6.3064 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4642 @ 0.00090762 = 4.2132 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.46150143 = 9.6915 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00453828 = 0.2315 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 37 @ 0.44486199 = 16.4599 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.0045383 = 0.1997 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00090636 = 29.0942 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46198998 = 0.924 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46000005 = 0.92 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.441002 = 2.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.44 = 2.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.44 = 1.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.44 = 0.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 253 @ 0.00424939 = 1.0751 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.43333302 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00090762 = 2.8136 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.00090762 = 21.2837 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00090873 = 9.996 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.44 = 0.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23081 @ 0.00090636 = 20.9197 BTC [-] {2}
Duffer1: MP thinking of ways to save the world or ways to shit on more mouthbreathers? :P
KRS1: eitherway he's doing the world a favor
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00295 = 0.1062 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00090901 = 8.6356 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 357 @ 0.001 = 0.357 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00090942 = 55.1109 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: http://i.imgur.com/VIhkDAr.gif lmao bitcoinity supposedly shown this on $1000
Duffer1: they had several weird ones @ $100 intervals on the initial run up to 1200
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70868 @ 0.00090997 = 64.4878 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.44 = 0.88 BTC [+]
jurov: i know but this one really got me
KRS1: oh god...gay
Duffer1: hehe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4619 @ 0.00090636 = 4.1865 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25318 @ 0.00090481 = 22.908 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.435 = 0.87 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00091008 = 11.1485 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 278906 | Current Difficulty: 1.4184813952626355E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 280223 | Next Difficulty In: 1317 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 2 hours, 51 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 660 @ 0.00288319 = 1.9029 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10130 @ 0.00090378 = 9.1553 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4670 @ 0.00090177 = 4.2113 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.46 = 4.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00090177 = 21.1916 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00090147 = 20.1028 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 400 @ 0.0006601 = 0.264 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13268 @ 0.0009013 = 11.9584 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4543 @ 0.00090107 = 4.0936 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38250 @ 0.00090057 = 34.4468 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34084 @ 0.00089956 = 30.6606 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.00288202 = 0.2219 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33116 @ 0.000898 = 29.7382 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20674 @ 0.00090158 = 18.6393 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00439759 = 0.1759 BTC [+]
Lunapuppy_: giggity alllllllriiiiight
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 40 @ 0.00324 = 0.1296 BTC [+] {2}
ArsKisS: bitcoin going up -> stocks going down
ArsKisS: i kinda see why, but it still makes me laugh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4435 @ 0.00090537 = 4.0153 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00090603 = 14.0435 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5405 @ 0.00090732 = 4.9041 BTC [+]
thestrin1puller: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1040.0, Best ask: 1047.0, Bid-ask spread: 7.00000, Last trade: 1040.0, 24 hour volume: 27591.01475313, 24 hour low: 928.75005, 24 hour high: 1093.68199, 24 hour vwap: 1013.68537
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12072 @ 0.00090602 = 10.9375 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00090602 = 7.6106 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 130 @ 0.001 = 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.45999884 = 0.92 BTC [-] {2}
Duffer1: http://pastebin.com/pro now with bitcoin payment option
ozbot: Pastebin.com - GO PRO
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.0252 = 0.1512 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.45999979 = 0.92 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00439999 = 0.1232 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.0252 = 0.1764 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00090602 = 6.4327 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.10100619 = 0.505 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.02302769 = 2.3028 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.43502001 = 0.87 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1093 @ 0.001 = 1.093 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24995 @ 0.00090706 = 22.672 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: what happens when nobody uses zynga's bitcoin option?
ThickAsThieves: sell sell sell!
Duffer1: TaT why did you decide to put "Thieves" in your name?
ThickAsThieves: because i like the saying
ozbot: thick as thieves - Idioms - by the Free Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Duffer1: right but, you know the word "Thieves" is in your business name right?
Duffer1: your bitcoin business name
Duffer1: Thieves
ThickAsThieves: what do you suggest
Duffer1: that i should go get some sleep and stop trying to fuck with you
Duffer1: it's a good name
ThickAsThieves: it's just a name
Duffer1: but, imagine people's reactions if you ever did run with the money, everyone would be like.. "well shit"
ThickAsThieves: yes, it's not ideal for a trust-based biz
ThickAsThieves: if i was gonna run, it woulda happened long ago
Duffer1: oh i know man
ThickAsThieves: i'd prefer to have my identity out there if it were safe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: but it's not ideal for more than one reason
Duffer1: i don't i'll ever see the day when i'd feel comfortable having my real name as a user nick
Duffer1: don't think*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8730 @ 0.0009061 = 7.9103 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23575 @ 0.00090614 = 21.3623 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Gox | Buy: $983.01 Sell: $989.15 Last: $983.01 High: $1,093.68 Low: $965.00
ozbot: Bitstamp | Buy: $902.00
ozbot: Coinbase | Buy: $906.73
ozbot: Weex | API Error
ThickAsThieves: how long til someone makes blockchain-based DRM?
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: care to elaborate?
ThickAsThieves: well DRM seeks to identify an owner and allow it to access a property
ThickAsThieves: like mp3s
ThickAsThieves: i was half-joking half wondering honestly
ThickAsThieves: in the case of mp3s, like all drm
ThickAsThieves: it's obv a waste of time
ThickAsThieves: i havent put much thought into it otherwise
ThickAsThieves: i suppose people would just share their keys
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Well most DRM is pki based anyway. I don't see what adding a blockchain to it might do other than maybe allow rights transfers. I don't think many people interested in DRM though are people interested in making rights transfers easier though.
ThickAsThieves: it'd allow for a decentralized spotify?
ThickAsThieves: like i said, justthinking out loud
ThickAsThieves: just put all data in the blockchain
ThickAsThieves: move the internet to it
ThickAsThieves: well, the www i guess
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.43600026 = 0.872 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00420242 = 0.4202 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.0042 = 0.252 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21827 @ 0.0009088 = 19.8364 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Well, blockchains have limits on their usefulness. It works in Bitcoin because everyone values having a distributed consensus ledger and enough people have a vested interest to maintain this ledger. I dunno if anyone other than Spotify is particularly interested in spotifies ledger when they would rather store music than an account of the music everyone has.
KRS1: you can really send digital content via blockchain? crazy
BingoBoingo: KRS1: Well, namecoin. If it didn't suck so much and miners wrote transactions with lots of data to blocks...
ThickAsThieves: you could also do it with a superficial service
ThickAsThieves: using wallets as keys
ThickAsThieves: like a web browser that was keyed to you or such
KRS1: nmc prob has a future imo
KRS1: tight
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 166 @ 0.00410003 = 0.6806 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: The problem with blockchains for trivial uses is that block chains have a large cost in terms of storage required. Bitcoin's blockchain is small because the number of bitcoins transactions is small. A blockchain based however off of the iTunes catalog and all of the iTunes users however would not be small.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.00400185 = 0.3081 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 332 @ 0.001 = 0.332 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: but the cloud!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1753 @ 0.001 = 1.753 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0494 = 0.247 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 40 @ 0.00324 = 0.1296 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91250 @ 0.00091023 = 83.0585 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 194 @ 0.00288358 = 0.5594 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0494 = 0.6916 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 506 @ 0.004 = 2.024 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 384 @ 0.001 = 0.384 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.004 = 0.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 95 @ 0.004 = 0.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.004 = 0.112 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10300 @ 0.00009604 = 0.9892 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: reseller of used electronics....
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56450 @ 0.00091008 = 51.374 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: scavenger of lost wallets...
pankkake: I'm not sure the fiat equivalent have enough volume, how is this one going to do?
benkay: well they're definitely going to acquire some bitcoins via IPO. who knows if it does what it says on the tin, even.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00090794 = 16.1159 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00090768 = 2.4961 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21425 @ 0.00090768 = 19.447 BTC [-]
benkay: is anyone using electrum or multibit?
KRS1: electrum seems awesome
pankkake: I am/was tempted to use Electrum, but it seems that Armory is fixing its slowness
KRS1: armory is better you think? havent tried it
pankkake: it seems to be the most featureful. requires the whole blockchain and now its own index though
dexX7: it's simple. want a lightweight client? electrum, otherwise i agree with armory
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00090605 = 12.5941 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00091127 = 16.175 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;seen topace
gribble: topace was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 4 hours, 11 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <topace> the passthru operators hold the direct shares
topace: im here :p
KRS1: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00090522 = 7.3323 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.45 = 0.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00090522 = 14.7098 BTC [-]
mike_c: mintspare = insane.
mike_c: how could they possibly compete with the established players when they have to pay out at least 70% of their profits as dividends?
pankkake: lol they claim they give a fixed percent of profits?
mike_c: "Each MS unit is entitled to no less than 70% of profits in dividend payouts"
mike_c: heh. of course they reserve the right to change that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00090583 = 11.0511 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.46898774 = 1.407 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.04999998 = 0.8 BTC [+] {2}
Namworld: They only sell 20% of mintspare. Thus they can give at a minimum 70% of profits to holders and themselves, and keep up to 30% of profits for expension.
Namworld: They'd just need to be competitive from the start and not need to grow too much...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 396 @ 0.00288201 = 1.1413 BTC [-] {2}
Namworld: Havelock rejected Coinroll's IPO because the structure of the IPO (5% raising funds, 5% investors monetizing their investment) was too complicated and they didn't see how investors would benefit if their funds go to previous owners (nevermind that they they're buying out their shares and right to profits/the business)
Namworld: IPO to havelock = crowdfunding
Namworld: They don't grasp the actual meaning of the term IPO
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04999999 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16161 @ 0.00090712 = 14.66 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: i don't see how they could be competitive from the start. they don't have any economies of scale. do they have some magic formula for cheap customer acquisition? i don't see it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00090521 = 4.5261 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5389 @ 0.00090484 = 4.8762 BTC [-]
mike_c: they are only serving US "to start". of course, they can't start until they finish their website. yet they are projecting 21 btc profit next month.
Namworld: They refused Coinroll's IPO because previous investors selling their shares and funds not going to develop a business is too complicated and doesn't offer anything to investors. Nevermind that Coinroll is already running and would be issuing bigger dividends than any other fund on Havelock right away.
Namworld: I think it says it all on Havelock.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00090965 = 20.831 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: mike_c mybe they will do business via PMs on otc/reddit/trolltalk
jurov: Namworld: yes, nice summary
ThickAsThieves: so IPO on CoinBr
mike_c: hey jurov, different topic: last month I unintentionally tested out what we were discussing. and you can not lose more on a sold put than your collateral.
jurov: ThickAsThieves: it doesn't depend fully on me
ThickAsThieves: but we all depend on you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02479959 = 0.248 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00090993 = 16.2877 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 467 @ 0.00433644 = 2.0251 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04999999 = 0.3 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | None based on data since last change | 1744574150.51 based on data for last three days
BingoBoingo: benkay: Answered your comment
benkay: 'll see it in the rss then ;)
benkay: but ty for alert
BingoBoingo: benkay: Well, I dunno how much I trust RSS to propagate, or to have been read by anyone. Thank you for letting me know that I'm not the only person still using the stuff.
benkay: oh it propagates
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014
ThickAsThieves: yobtc on No
ThickAsThieves: dont they learn
ThickAsThieves: (from my mistakes)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35244 @ 0.00090469 = 31.8849 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11656 @ 0.00090337 = 10.5297 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: benkay: You know you can link you plog when you post the comments
pankkake: this. is. beautiful: "So we view this as not just an idea, we are not just a company taking an existing idea and putting it into the Bitcoin space. We are a company that is revamping the idea into a successful business through design, culture, process, technology, customer support, innovation, growth and proper staffing within the Bitcoin world."
benkay: BingoBoingo: I do. Someday I may.
benkay: pankkake: link or stop being a cocktease
pankkake: do anchors fail on bitcointalk for anyone else?
ThickAsThieves: that link has no anchor
BingoBoingo: benkay: You might as well. Blogging is like Brussels sprouts. No matter what you expections are something about the venutre is going to taste kind of bitter until the frost sets.
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=401481.msg4350881#msg4350881 for example, it gets me to the top of the page anyway
ozbot: [HAVELOCK] Mintspare (MS) Bitcoin Electronic Trade-in Service - Official Thread
ll_: works here
benkay: http://coinelius.com - nigga can't even spell cryptotrading
benkay: links to 'cryptotocks'
ThickAsThieves: that anchor works for me
benkay: spelling errors man. how do even english.
ThickAsThieves: albeit when it's close to the bottom it is somewhat ineffective
jurov: topace you around?
pankkake: lol coinelius/twentyseventy. just do the inverse of what he does and you'll be fine
benkay: i was reading some other derpage from him recently as well.
benkay: didn't even bother to file it.
benkay: BingoBoingo: you made me log in to wordpress. and fuck with their horrible gravatar situation. timescammer!
BingoBoingo: benkay: You shouldn't have to.
benkay: I know.
benkay: Your defaults are showing.
pankkake: wordpress.com blogs force you to log on if you have a wordpress.com account with that email
benkay: this whole "federate identity across all platforms" routine is a little tired at this point.
mike_c: yeah, but so is having 500 different sets of credentials
benkay: yeah, and if you've ever had contact with their systems they'll snarf your email out of the comment field and blapp your identity link into poor BingoBoingo's blog.
mike_c: openid for the win?
benkay: cardano for the win
benkay: all comments must be gpg signed
mike_c: until your dog hits the kill switch
benkay: well you have two, right?
jurov: what?
mike_c: yeah, with a master signing key you keep in the garden it would work
benkay: one to sign the public key of the one you carry around.
BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure just entering nym, any email, and comment should be sufficient. I'll investigate whether or not I need to burn a bunch of PHP when I'm not so drunk.
jurov: they will be quantum entagled?
pankkake: I liked openid, but it is effectively dead
mike_c: stackoverflow tried to use it. i was surprised that didn't work.
benkay: log in with cryptotoken. it's the only way.
pankkake: at least I could self-host it… now a lot of websites throw you facebook in the face
pankkake: because, and that is truly a problem, people are too lazy to create a new account, and manage passwords
benkay: time heals all this idiocy. red queen patterns etc.
pankkake: the only thing I dislike with static blogs is the comment handling. usually, it's… disqus
pankkake: but I've seen implementations of one of my dreams: a comment-by-email
benkay: yeah. i'm thinking about how to do comments.
pankkake: plus, email already has antispams. why reinvent the wheel
mike_c: that is a good idea. identity friendly, if not user friendly.
benkay: not buying into one of these federated identity services - that'd run counter to the whole point.
benkay: sheeeit, mike_c, if someone can't handle comments by email i don't want 'em commenting.
mike_c: it's not that they can't handle, just raises the bar for doing so. you'll get fewer comments.
pankkake: that was my main reason for chosing wordpress; so many plugins, comments with working antispam
mike_c: not sure how trilema's works, but it seems a reasonable compromise.
pankkake: well some clients/webmails don't provide a good way to have multiple identities
benkay: ;;google trilema spam
pankkake: perhaps add a special tag on top of the mail to change it; and also provide a URL
pankkake: lol zerohedge
ozbot: Effectual spam filtering for WordPress pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC [+]
benkay: that's the one, mike_c.
benkay: having written on everything from friendster to livejournal to the well, blogger and yes even wordpress before attempting to roll my own this time through i decided to keep all of my data local and generate blog files from my blog.org file
pankkake: https://wordpress.org/plugins/anti-spam/ catches most of my spam but it might also prevent lynx users from commenting :(
ozbot: WordPress › Anti-spam « WordPress Plugins
benkay: which thanks to the insane amounts of time that's been put into org-mode and emacs in general is a pretty robust project
ozbot: Quick start Guide
benkay: you'll see i have some styling to do. i hate styling.
mike_c: i'm more interested in the identity side though. what's the right compromise for allowing attribution to commenters without making them create an account?
benkay: pgp signed comments.
mike_c: heh
mike_c: hardly a compromise
benkay: no way man
pankkake: use bootstrap
benkay: errybody's going to have to get at least conversant with privacy tools.
mike_c: yes, and highcharts. obviously.
pankkake: I used to dislike bootstrap because so many websites use it. but so what? interfaces are meant to be standardized
benkay: i don't want to 'use' anything - i want to deploy some capital and have some less generated by a human for me.
pankkake: and if you hate css, it's perfect
mike_c: pankkake: agreed. not hard to tweak anyway.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20190 @ 0.00090896 = 18.3519 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17010 @ 0.00091136 = 15.5022 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00091142 = 15.5397 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02479959 = 0.124 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02479959 = 0.248 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21610 @ 0.00090971 = 19.6588 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13040 @ 0.00091052 = 11.8732 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6160 @ 0.00090595 = 5.5807 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 145 @ 0.00439512 = 0.6373 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00439709 = 0.1891 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21890 @ 0.00091188 = 19.9611 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 317 @ 0.00439995 = 1.3948 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13860 @ 0.00091241 = 12.646 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 159 @ 0.00439998 = 0.6996 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00288201 = 0.2133 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.467999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15040 @ 0.00091241 = 13.7226 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 10000 @ 0.001 = 10 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.4680909 = 5.149 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.46899999 = 2.814 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c nice catch on the bitbet statement there.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11914 @ 0.00009601 = 1.1439 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: you are late log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2014#436766
mircea_popescu: what mess, it's like 70 cents.
mircea_popescu: big whoop
kakobrekla: and the one from last year
kakobrekla: and generally, its a mess.
kakobrekla: we fucked up too many times :p
mircea_popescu: gracious donations to shareholders : 0.061 BTC ?
kakobrekla: imma gonna make it esier
mircea_popescu: obv shareholders didn't give a shit about the 6 bitcents, or else they'd have said something.
mircea_popescu: people gotta get used to reading reports, calculator in hand
mircea_popescu: this isn't lazyland, this is bitcoin, a republic.
kakobrekla: well obv is all my fault cause i sign the thing on the end
kakobrekla: it looks bad
kakobrekla: kako cant do maffs
mircea_popescu: it's partly your fault, and partly my fault, and partly the fault of everyone who may wish to bitch about it
mircea_popescu: we're all in this together.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.001 = 0.25 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: with any luck at all, i'll forget to roll the .7 bitcents into next month's report and then it'll look really bad lol
pankkake: what are you using for accounting? text files?
kakobrekla: actually its not so much your fault cause you dont sign it, which makes me think you should be doing that from now on :D
kakobrekla: eyeballing apparently
mircea_popescu: pankkake nubian slaves.
pankkake: I need slaves to sort my files
pankkake: and my porn
kakobrekla: nsa does that
mircea_popescu: so you need nubian and pubian slaves.
pankkake: though I shouldn't need porn if I have slaves. hmm
mircea_popescu: "Slavery in Sudan began in ancient times, and has continued to the present day." sez wikipedia
pankkake: my love for metadata is probably more insane than anyone in the nsa
pankkake: so no serious answer! are you afraid to admit you're using excel?
mircea_popescu: me ? i don't have excel.
pankkake: general inquiry
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Paper spreadsheets
BingoBoingo: For maximum airgap
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0028828 = 0.5766 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: i'm doing reports in perl
KRS1: thats what its fo! i love perl
lippoper: yeah
lippoper: perl lol
pankkake: why run? I'm thinking I'd do pretty much the same
BingoBoingo: I'm kind of curious if any line betting operations are going to fold up tomorrow morning.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 15 @ 0.0242 = 0.363 BTC [-]
jurov: BingoBoingo: why?
lippoper: any profitable mining shares?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 17 @ 0.02419623 = 0.4113 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mining and profitable don't mix so well
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 27 @ 0.00644996 = 0.1741 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: jurov: Because so many people are betting on Auburn. Auburn is given odds that make it a great value pick. Since most BTC line betting operations pull lines off of USA Today instead of letting odds play on their own and collecting their vig, if Auburn wins I imagine at least a few won't be able to pay winnings.
BingoBoingo: I imagine such a black Tuesday outcome would be great publicity for BitBet though.
mircea_popescu: interesting point.
mircea_popescu: i would imagine all of them strictly consist of one derp, his .5 btc budget and his dreams and aspirations
mircea_popescu: in which case some nice bandwagon effect would probably do what you say sooner or later
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've been putting money on Auburn at as many books as I can that haven't been rather conclusively labeled scam yet. Cheaper exercise than the one you did with Patrick Harnett.
mircea_popescu: yeah well... it's easily forgotten that at the time the replacement cost of 500btc was like five grand
BingoBoingo: Well... Yeah. As the years go on though the relative impressiveness of the story will grow simply because n00bs can't remember single dollar digit btc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.12699999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: perversely, a good investment in more ways than one
mircea_popescu: noobs also don't remember the entire "btc rating agency" bullshit coming out of his inflamed brain, and consequently don't remember reason #5498045986 why bitcoin didn't go to shit before they had a chance to hear of it.
BingoBoingo: Well, yeah. Breaking one of the "big guys" and firmly placing yourself as the bigger and more solvent guy
jurov: it's there but i never did line betting, what does this mean?
jurov: there's 4.2BTC bet on?
mircea_popescu: jurov line betting vs mutual betting is like bucket shop vs stock exchange. in the line model all trades are against the house.
jurov: i know how it works
mircea_popescu: it's as if anyone buying shares bought from the nyse itself, and anyone selling sold to nyse itself
mircea_popescu: and nyse came up with an arbitrary price each morning
jurov: but am interested how to read the stats
mircea_popescu: stock generation style
BingoBoingo: jurov: It means an Auburn win returns roughly quadruple your initial bet. Looks like similar odds I've been buying, but I've heard that site was scam already.
mircea_popescu: basically it's what you make in each case
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i love it how they never advertise their house limit, too
mike_c: 11 point spread and 4.2 money line? that does sound attractive.
mircea_popescu: i imagine if someone sends 10k btc on their stated odds all sorts of fun ensues.
jurov: they certainly have some limit
mircea_popescu: link to it :)
BingoBoingo: +320 on Auburn means you would win 320 dollars on a 100 dollar ticket. -380 on Florida State means you would win 100/380 on your 100 dollar ticket
mircea_popescu: such ignorant notation too. negative and fractional, same thing. blergh
BingoBoingo: mike_c: There are much better probably scam sports books out there
mike_c: hah. the vegas line is +295.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I wouldn't take the spread though. On value bets liek this ML tends to be better in the long run
mike_c: no bitbet
mike_c: too many nerds on bitbet for football
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I did the bitbet too on both sides, but they are closed
ozbot: BitBet - BTC will hit $1000 without dropping to $100
mircea_popescu: i love the bbet commenters every time
mike_c: so looks like it got one bet other than you
mike_c: i agree with mp, once football bets are popular on bitbet we will know the gold rush is over.
mircea_popescu: certainly not this silliness where bitbet lays a quarter million bucks on any diff bet easy,
mircea_popescu: and you struggle to get 1k together on football prime time events
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I don't know if they will ever be too popular. The problem of tracking a whole season seems better suited to bucket shops and line betting operations. Marquee events and championships that can get traffic though should do better on the BitBet model though.
jurov: i dunno, i can easily imagine football junkies prefer betting where they know the win in advance
BingoBoingo: Sports betting I've come to see is kind of a niche market.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ideally it evolves as an exchange (ie, a myriad actually honest operators do line betting and promotion, and then meet on bitbet and hedge in a liquid market)
jurov: even if mutual may be more profitable, effective, intelligent etc.
BingoBoingo: Maybe even more navel gazing than bitcoin.
mike_c: yeah, all those prop bets with terrible odds at the bookie would be much better on bitbet like "team to win the championship" or super bowl props.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but given how often the gambling type (the kind who are so quick to forgive SealswithClubs for their hack) go for the familiar over the good it might be a decade. At least Bitcoin has plenty of time to fix this.
mike_c: and bitbet is welcome for the audit :) my fee is 0.061 btc.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no but the idea is, the ops themselves have more of a clue. obviously as it is now, every failed seo expert/14 yo running his own site this won't be the case
mircea_popescu: but these will lose their shirt within months, not decades.
mircea_popescu: to survive people will have to use the tools.
mircea_popescu: mike_c >D
BingoBoingo: They might stretch it out a while. People can be irrational longer than we expect as Usagi being able to list a silver instrument of some indeterminate form on a scam exchange illustrates.
mircea_popescu: so the model for sports is, there are say 10-12 respectable bookie type sites, which do all the forum spamming and general dicking around with the punters,
mircea_popescu: then they actually trade their takes on bitbet. say one got 50 btc on yes 12 on no, the other 5 on yes 64 on no etc
mircea_popescu: they can't sanely hold on to this, so they all bet on the yes/no bitbet according to their book
BingoBoingo: Sure, like the cloning intrade but actually backing it on BitBet which is real
mike_c: that would work better with bitbet v2 without a linear weight
mircea_popescu: best of both worlds.
mircea_popescu: allows people to be entrepreneurs, allows risk to be correctly handled, allows punters to not have to think and be fleeced for it.
mircea_popescu: everyone's happy, and the market grows
mircea_popescu: at least that's the model
BingoBoingo: mike_c: BitBet now works fine. Just when you write a sports bet make sure to not end the weight at 1
mircea_popescu: mike_c they're all in the same timeline so they really don't care about the weight
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10946 @ 0.00091265 = 9.9899 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: 5 minute differences or w/e may be the round-trip time for "x got injured" among the bookies won't show up in the bitbet weight anyway
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Sports bets do benefit from some sort of attached weight though, especially in hand egg because of injuries, arrests, and fat athletes having heart attacks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4643 BTC [-]
mike_c: I agree weight of some type is important. but we beat that horse dead a couple weeks ago.
mircea_popescu: some horses need to be beaten many times
mike_c: next time i beat the horse i will have a simulator in hand to show how the alternate model works.
mircea_popescu: the previous horse hath not died in vain
BingoBoingo: Horses are cheap
mircea_popescu: whorses too
ozbot: BitBet - BFL will deliver 28nm before Jan 6 2014
mircea_popescu: who the fuck laid out on yes
BingoBoingo: I dunno. Around here people will pay you to take a horse. We really need to get to eating them already.
BingoBoingo: Inaba probably laid out for yes, but obviously doesn't have the capital he had last year...
mircea_popescu: i imagine throwing away btc is a lot more painful than it used to be too
mircea_popescu: once it sprinted from 30 to 1k people see 10k with different eyes
ozbot: BitBet - Simona Halep to win Roland Garros
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you're better at this than me, can you get me what the bookies say on this prop ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: A lot of fiat books are showing longer odds that Halep wins. This is the sort of bet though where outcomes other than yes/no might make BitBet more interesting (meaning for example a single French open bet with the option to bet on each competitor, ie you run bets like the pony track does for some events)
pankkake: not enough nerds on bitbet for starcraft
mircea_popescu: longer like how long ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: 15-17.5 to one
BingoBoingo: Bitcoin tennis fans aren't rich enough to balance your love for her tits though
mircea_popescu: how is a single bet for 6 people better than 6 yes/no bets ? cause larger pool ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00091285 = 7.0746 BTC [+]
pankkake: I thought tennis was the sport for rich people. like golf
mircea_popescu: pankkake old money = stupid = btc poor
pankkake: old money is btc zero
pankkake: btc poor is teenagers with gpus
mircea_popescu: that's a point
BingoBoingo: Well, consider a futures bet for X wins championsip of such and such league. Where the teams competing are fixed well in advanced of the seasons start. 30 baseball teams for example, you can bet on anyof them to win the world series. Maybe the pot isn't bigger, but having all of the options in one pool makes pricing risk more straight forward.
ArsKisS: wutwut
BingoBoingo: Close that bet when the season starts and as the season progresses let bets open for the outcomes of individual teams.
mircea_popescu: how does it make pricing more straightforward ? i thought it makes it a nightmare
ArsKisS: they pay some good looking dividends and then skyrocket
kakobrekla: again vritual mining?
ArsKisS: yup
kakobrekla: virtual mining of virtual currency
kakobrekla: virtually scam.
KRS1: lol
ArsKisS: virtuous
pankkake: consortium!
pankkake: "A consortium is an association of two or more individuals" ok I guess that works
BingoBoingo: Well, depending on how you approach the problem of pricing in that situation it could be more of a nightmare of it could be a glorious consilodated market.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo let's try and model. three teams, a, b and c. a has 20 btc on it to win, b 15, c 27.
mircea_popescu: what's the odds a wins ?
mircea_popescu: cause if the bet is "a wins" y/n, then you deffo know what the odds are.
ArsKisS: hmm
ArsKisS: is there a way you can see whole cryptostocks history somehow
ArsKisS: this is silly that the history is just couple of pages long
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Roughly 1/3
mircea_popescu: ArsKisS perhaps you are missing their wisdom there.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 20 / 62 ?
ArsKisS: mircea_popescu, err?
mircea_popescu: and isn't y/n more straightforward ? not that a lot of adding shit is impossible to do.
mircea_popescu: ArsKisS they know their history won't ever look good, so why publish it too much.
ArsKisS: mircea_popescu, but it's about MY history
BingoBoingo: Break that into three yes/no bets though a b and c can all have bets such that all teams are favored to win. That creates an opportunity for great arbitrage, but... This is Bitcoin and people still buy "mining"
ArsKisS: mircea_popescu, talking about Account -> Legend
ArsKisS: only shows last 50 transactions
ArsKisS: useless piece of shit :<
mircea_popescu: why does this site look just like btctc
BingoBoingo: ArsKisS: Well cryptostocks is a piece of shit yes.
mircea_popescu: did they actually recycle that ?
kakobrekla: btc tc tc tc tc disco mode tc tc tc
BingoBoingo: Vircurex was hacked twice and noone bother to take the the cryptostocks wallet from that same sever out of pity
ArsKisS: BingoBoingo, yea, kinda. but some of the stocks are good :/
BingoBoingo: ArsKisS: What is good anyway
kakobrekla: thats everlasting question, what is good, what is evil
BingoBoingo: Bitbet is good, math is evil, Abaci for everyone
ArsKisS: how many markets there is btw?
ArsKisS: cryptostocks, havelock and?
kakobrekla: buttfunder
kakobrekla: glbse
kakobrekla: btc disco
mircea_popescu: and colored coins
BingoBoingo: ArsKisS: Everything is just one big market. Within the one market though there are a lot of alleys where muggins happen. If you aren't careful you might even meet Rapin' Jameis
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1539965/plain/)
ArsKisS: kakobrekla, last one sounds extra shady, two first I've heard something before.
ArsKisS: BingoBoingo :D
kakobrekla: !exchanges ArsKisS
kakobrekla: see what assbot pmed you
ArsKisS: cool
ArsKisS: thx
ArsKisS: Glbse closed for good?
ArsKisS: 2012 on bitcointalk
kakobrekla: oh wait its 2013 already
ArsKisS: kakobrekla, 2014
BingoBoingo: ArsKisS: Thermos killed GLBSE
ArsKisS: close call
pankkake: !exchanges
pankkake: it's not up to date
kakobrekla: !exchanges
pankkake: bitcoin-assets.com still has btctttc too
kakobrekla: site is still up
kakobrekla: let it be a reminder
pankkake: at least the shares aren't losing value!
BingoBoingo: Ei Ei Scam
mircea_popescu: why does that pic look like the broads are standing
kakobrekla: ArsKisS you can also lose money on pico stocks
kakobrekla: or just donate it to poor nigerians
kakobrekla: somalians work as well.
ArsKisS: kakobrekla, nah, i rather keep them
ozbot: Source Code in TV and Films
kakobrekla: ArsKisS dont be so selfish
BingoBoingo: ArsKisS: You have like two minutes left to bet it on Handegg tonight
ArsKisS: kakobrekla, ofc
mircea_popescu: knotwork myeah.
mircea_popescu: also, there's euro futures now too
knotwork: Euro futures on MPOE ?
knotwork: Does it still cost 30 BTC for an emporium seat?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00091285 = 9.9501 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00199998 / 0.00246786 / 0.00333333 (651 shares, 1.61 BTC)
mircea_popescu: not much volume as of yet
mircea_popescu: but it;'s a physically settled future, you can obtain euros in bitcoin central.
pankkake: would be better if davout_ delivered the bills on your doorstep, in a metal briefcase
knotwork: hee hee
mircea_popescu: yeah, because people can afford to pay a a coupla grand for airplane tickets + hotels + etc
BingoBoingo: Wait, I though Jurov was carrying the breifcase
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00091265 = 9.6285 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so, we're doing some hardware upgrades on mpex infrastructure starting Jan 8th at 3am GMT
pankkake: that's a smart scam/spam; target potential thieves: http://pastebin.com/mUWM0Tjf
mircea_popescu: there may be some short lived service interruptions.
pankkake: blinded by greed, they'll just open the thing without question
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 86 @ 0.00449709 = 0.3867 BTC [+] {2}
KRS1: greed is a mo-fo
KRS1: funny, some are helpless to it i noticed..darwin has a solution for them too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00091265 = 8.3964 BTC [-]
KRS1: got an interesting email in ref. to mastercoin
ozbot: Arbitrage with mastercoin - Pastebin.com
KRS1: im interested in moving toward an algorithmic trading style..not sure where to start and i dont want to write my own bot from scratch
BingoBoingo: KRS1: I'm more convinced that as Bitcoin matures people will progress through more and more advanced holdign styles
mike_c: taking out that one hard drive that was holding the whole thing up? :D
KRS1: BingoBoingo: yeah the markets have to calm down a bit
KRS1: everyones complaining of manipulation
BingoBoingo: KRS1: I'm not talking about that. The BTC/Fiat interface is boring and overdone. I'm thinking applications of BTC tht take advantage of its function as a store of value (ie the most popular use of BTC)
BingoBoingo: Oh, Auburn is leading the handegg BCS thing 14-3 right nao
benkay: Just what /can/ one do with BTC held cold, BingoBoingo? Soundslike one o yer classic FR scams.
BingoBoingo: I think 3 sounds like a good over under for how many line betting ventures might fold tomorrw
BingoBoingo: benkay: Who said holding has to be cold. I'm thinking Fidelity bonds and such. One of the few people who dealt with Inputs.io and didn't get fucked was Dooglus who made TradeFortress keep a bond with him in exchange for him accepting deposits though TF's platform. Such things seem a natural growth from GPG contracts and other crypto goodness.
benkay: TF put btc on reserve, or promised to pay?
BingoBoingo: Million dollar BTC doesn't happen because Bitcoin is a better gum buying tool than a quarter at the gumball machine. It happens through a lot of BTC being tied up in contracts.
BingoBoingo: benkay: As I understand he made a deposit to Dooglus in advance
BingoBoingo: Well before his collapse.
pankkake: that was a very smart move :)
benkay: those coins have to be 'cold' until that contracts terms are invoked, correct?
BingoBoingo: Because such a deposit existed Dooglus was able to extract exactly what he was owed as opposed to submitting himself to the arbitrary fractional repayment/settlement mess TF devised.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Of course coins in such an arrangement have to stay cold.
BingoBoingo: The value of the coins though is as a store.
benkay: the Dooglus property in question being just-dice?
BingoBoingo: benkay: Yup.
benkay: BingoBoingo: why did j-d have a dependency on inputs.io in the first place?
BingoBoingo: benkay: They didn't have any dependency. They just wanted more deposit options and TF was willing to deposit a fidelity bond to cover deposits through inputs.io
benkay: ah so if i can recap
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2090 @ 0.001 = 2.09 BTC [+]
benkay: j-d made themselves an inputs.io account to which IIO victims could send btc without blockchain confirmations or such, and the fidelity bond was to cover however that account
benkay: however *much* that account *was holding when IIO went down
BingoBoingo: That roughly seems to be it. I've traversed quite a bit of this handle of vodka I trekked through the polar vortex to acquire, but it sounds right. Depositors just weren't inputs.io victims yet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2117 @ 0.00091285 = 1.9325 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: benkay there was no depending, tf was in search of adding value to his otherwise not particularly useful service
benkay: all webwallet users are victims, they just don't know it yet.
BingoBoingo: Well, yeah
mircea_popescu: associating with things like jd made sense in that perspective. doog had enough sense to keep it at arms length
BingoBoingo: Every year a new batch of people makes that clear.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.465 BTC [+]
Duffer1: yea :(
benkay: mircea_popescu there were dependencies if j-d had to have a surety bond
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 42 @ 0.04999999 = 2.1 BTC [+]
benkay: BingoBoingo: anchors aren't working today
BingoBoingo: benkay: It is the bottom post on that page
benkay: well, in ffox anyways.
pankkake: ah, I'm not the only one!
mircea_popescu: mp grins at BingoBoingo's link, knowing full well he was the original investor that insisted dooglus use a gpg scheme to certify investment movements.
mircea_popescu: apparently it caught on. win.
BingoBoingo: I dunno that I was the one to tell that to dooglus.
ozbot: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)
ozbot: Loper OS » Cardano Prototype Tidbits: TRNG Boards.
BingoBoingo: pankkake: I imagine this time last year he would have given Blockbet.net an A+++
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9570 @ 0.00091287 = 8.7362 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: ah just you wait - someone's going to send in the .3 butts or w/e for a cardano and scream scam that it doesn't mine
benkay: then nsa's name will be trashed on the forums forever
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm looking through my investment records (ie staring wistfully at my vodka) and dun see any record of me having invested in just-dice
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo me not you
pankkake: don't forget mp talks in the third person
mircea_popescu: sometimes :D
mircea_popescu: lol they're still derping on that topic ?
BingoBoingo: pankkake: I've tried translating MP a few times. Talking in the third person is the least tricky thing MP does.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC [+]
pankkake: I have abandonned my trilema TL;DR project :(
mircea_popescu: sometimes he talks in french. other times he talks in odd words only.
pankkake: that bitbet think will never die
pankkake: thing
benkay: more like if you think its too long you probably don't have it in you to actually read it ;)
benkay: what, it's 10K!
mircea_popescu: i thought he was doing more like a public service thing
benkay: kid probably makes 2x that a year.
benkay: he can yell for six months at that rate before
mircea_popescu: benkay i thought it's diff kids carrying the torch. perhaps not.
benkay: a self catalyzing bitchfest?
benkay: it's like a smouldering log - but whence the o2?
mircea_popescu: maybe it's just fascinating.
mircea_popescu: i would guess a large section of the us poor has never encountered this situation where an entity pointedly doesn't give a shit about them
pankkake: isn't it all the time?
pankkake: unless they get enough retweets
mircea_popescu: no, see, there's a difference
mircea_popescu: case 1 : you go to an interview, they never call you back. you apply for a loan, they never call you back. you give a girl your number, she never calls you
mircea_popescu: case 2 : you got to an interview, they tell you you're fucking retarded and get lost
jcpham: f that
jcpham: +1
mircea_popescu: you apply for a loan, they tell you you're a fucking prole and you may never ever have a loan
mircea_popescu: you give a girl a number and she laughs her ass off
mircea_popescu: very different things these
pankkake: once I went to an interview, they never called me back, but it was mutual
CuWireBeard: Oh no rejection, however will a person press on!
BingoBoingo: Oh, Auburn is still winning at half time 21-10. However will line betting survive.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00091265 = 4.1982 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 97 @ 0.00456948 = 0.4432 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.04999999 = 0.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 271 @ 0.00294 = 0.7967 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10663 @ 0.00091323 = 9.7378 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3745 @ 0.00091344 = 3.4208 BTC [+]
ozbot: FBI Drops Law Enforcement as 'Primary' Mission
benkay: they see the writing on the wall w/r/t drug seizures funding their operations, i gather.
mircea_popescu: benkay more like, "what law".
asciilifeform: 'national security' might as well 'lettre de cachet enforcement'. wonder why they bothered formalizing it.
mircea_popescu: i doubt there's any intent involved
mircea_popescu: 3rd rate paper writer wrote a word he liked.
mircea_popescu: According to a recent Pew Research Center survey, more than five-in-ten members of the public and roughly six-in-ten members of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), a nonpartisan membership organization and think tank specializing in U.S. foreign policy, agree that the United States plays a less important role around the world than it did a decade ago.
mircea_popescu: jeez, and here i thought i'm a lone prophet in a sea of denial
mircea_popescu: where's pew find these members of the public ?!
Duffer1: the northern and coastal states
Duffer1: did you see the top gear where the guys drove through alabama/georgia?
mircea_popescu: i don't think i ever saw top gear
ozbot: Run out of Alabama - Offensive cars - Top Gear - Series 9 - BBC - YouTube
Duffer1: and a bit extra (comments on that episode) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jG0D2nRGrQ
KRS1: top gear is great, u.s. version sux
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Duffer1: btw, top gear UK is a great show even if you're not into cars
mircea_popescu: im notmuch into tv
pankkake: lol reminds me of redneck rampage
Duffer1: oh shit i completely forgot about that game
ozbot: Redneck Rampage Collection for download $5.99 - GOG.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1862 @ 0.00091265 = 1.6994 BTC [-]
benkay: you guys i hate fucking with legacy js
benkay: will fuck with not legacy js for btc
benkay: feed a poor bitfag who wants only to work and some btc for his efforts
pankkake: that is true of any code really
benkay: will fuck with not legacy * for btc
benkay: save me
benkay: js is somehow worse though - if tests are guardrails, ecma is like the salt flats
pankkake: do you get coding jobs in btc?
benkay: 900 MPH GO DON'T WORRY ABOUT SURFACE ROUGHNESS
benkay: i want to book all revenue in btc
pankkake: who wouldn't want that? :)
benkay: don't really want a job though - want more to have projects to deliver for fixed bids.
pankkake: have you done this before?
benkay: here and there.
benkay: heh and what is "this"
pankkake: I fear, even more in the btc world, that you'd have to be very specific about the deliverable
pankkake: "this isn't what i asked for"
benkay: o ya
benkay: huge risk in that style of development.
benkay: *sigh*
pankkake: that's the nice thing about being a slave (or as other call it, employee); you don't have to care about it too much
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00091502 = 10.7515 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: hard to seize opportunities and grow power base from behind a desk
benkay: hard to get close to capital wielders without desks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4186 @ 0.00091641 = 3.8361 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.0046 = 0.368 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.44 = 1.32 BTC [-] {2}
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