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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3375 @ 0.00085504 = 2.8858 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 131 @ 0.002 = 0.262 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 511 @ 0.00568 = 2.9025 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7839 @ 0.0008602 = 6.7431 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: rough draft
nubbins`: idea is to make it look sort of similar to an old-style bearer bond
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Maybe keep the GPG signed contracts in their native file format?
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: this is more for show than anything
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well, then.
nubbins`: this would be silkscreened onto nice 100% cotton paper
nubbins`: skeuomorphism at its finest :P
BingoBoingo: Beautiful nubbins` but generally cotton paper of archival quality is paired with ink to last rather than color to look good
nubbins`: i know, this is what i do for a living ;)
BingoBoingo: Silkscreening paper kind of sucks generally too.
nubbins`: you can silkscreen on any sort of paper. we use acid-free archival rag
Vexual: cute cert
nubbins`: speedball products, these are not :)
Vexual: are those hops leaves at the top?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.07499999 = 0.3 BTC [-]
nubbins`: similar, but no
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: "S.MG 2013" added to bottom
nubbins`: i wouldn't mind adding some of those spirograph-style curvy lines
Vexual: hops symbolise truth
Vexual: to me that is, im not offering some alternate history of the world
nubbins`: fun fact, hops and cannabis are members of the same family
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7711 @ 0.00085527 = 6.595 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: i am aware of that fun fact
Vexual: only two known members of cannabe or whathaveyou
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 517 @ 0.00085242 = 0.4407 BTC [-]
Vexual: i wonder if it was an ice age divergence? one being cold climate and one warm
nubbins`: who knows? interesting how they both ended up being enjoyed as intoxicants
Vexual: yes
Vexual: and vikinings tended to prefer ale where chinese preferred weed
Vexual: theres some symbiotic epigenetic unknown stuff happening there
nubbins`: i watched a documentary a while back that was about apples, tulips and weed
nubbins`: oh, and potatoes
nubbins`: on the surface, not much in common
Vexual: all been influenced by man?
nubbins`: but all have successfully spread from one small geographic area across the globe, because of their relationship to humans
nubbins`: exactly
ozbot: Botany of Desire | Watch Online | PBS Video
Vexual: genetic engineering of plants has done much less than so many generations of selective breeding
Vexual: thats not to say new gene slpicing tools arent exciting
nubbins`: no, but the varieties that were around before genetic engineering could be said to have so far withstood the test of time, which isn't a trivial test
nubbins`: engineered varieties, who knows?
BingoBoingo: The only think more boring than watching grass grow just might be watching plants fuck.
nubbins`: i mean, it was what, a year ago? two? that it was suddenly announced "lel, whoops, BPA gives you cancer"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1297 @ 0.00190777 = 2.4744 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: when the "lel, whoops" has the ability to grow beyond a certain scope, it becomes much less of an attractive option, in my mind
nubbins`: which is why i'm cautious about my optimism towards engineering
nubbins`: or any number of things. lel, whoops, 30,000kg of hamburger meat recalled because we contaminated it with e. coli!
Vexual: dna is a tricky machine
nubbins`: the trickiest
Vexual: probably the coolest too
nubbins`: it's pure hubris to assume you can fully understand the results of manipulating such a complex thing
nubbins`: yeah
Vexual: im out of touch with current tools for mapping genes
nubbins`: it's been so long since i even touched up on the basics, all i have left now are opinions :P
Vexual: same
Vexual: ive got half a memory of some cool shit happening that ive blocked to avoid becoming a mad scientist
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.61428574 = 4.3 BTC [-] {3}
Vexual: i remember now, theres on open source software package where you can create dna with object oriented visual language
Vexual: and you can get it printed
Vexual: i think they check its not airbourne swineflu or whatever
nubbins`: what!
Vexual: too many splices gets very expensive if memory serves
nubbins`: insane
Vexual: its loaded with a lot of known outcomes i think
Vexual: yeah genetics is still going places, people forget
mircea_popescu: nubbins` haha investry
nubbins`: right?!
Vexual: ive sent my dna to every lab in the us
mircea_popescu: of course it could not really be made into a real bearer bond...
nubbins`: oh no, of course
Vexual: apparently im susceptable to alcoholism
mircea_popescu: unless, of course, it came as a cardano. in which case it COULD be a bearer instrument
nubbins`: Vexual: now you can't hash the result and use it as a brainwallet to store all your funds.
nubbins`: home sequencing is the way to go ;p
Vexual: they're out there now tho
mircea_popescu: linked by imgur to nubbins` investry http://imgur.com/gallery/oZRUE
Vexual: at least i have plausable deniability
Vexual: shopped
nubbins`: "overall, i turned my life around"
Vexual: needs shopping
mircea_popescu: he's gay now ?
nubbins`: i feel like there's a pun hiding in the last picture, but i can't quite find it
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: more of a fancy paper wallet than anything. cardanos as bearer bonds is an interesting idea though
nubbins`: imagine!
Vexual: hey mp, if i start a genetics lab that does splices for btc, can i float for free on mpes?
Vexual: it will be an ongoing concern from the outset, repleat with bespectacled korean hotties
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1098 @ 0.00085438 = 0.9381 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 910 @ 0.00085645 = 0.7794 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.07200001 = 0.144 BTC [-]
nubbins`: okay, time to sleep
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.60969998 = 6.097 BTC [-] {6}
Vexual: ithe ipo money would be to install a manager and lab the fuck out of that shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 250 @ 0.00566349 = 1.4159 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: I can't believe I haven't though of abusing Cardanos into bearer bonds yet.
Vexual: maybe put a petent lawyer on the books
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [-]
Vexual: i just saw a gecko hiding behind my toilet cistern, hows that for imagry?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 201 @ 0.00199999 = 0.402 BTC [+]
Vexual: a crazy psychiatris wrote a long book, and a normal human is expected to see a penis where a skyscraper is?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Lawyers aren't that worth that much or I would have hired one without a drive through for their office.
Vexual: patent lawyers are gold bullion
Vexual: by volume
BingoBoingo: I'm not sure Vexual, I mean we are all pink on the inside...
Vexual: true enough, and time marches on
Vexual: but money is money
Vexual: as the finance experts will tell you
Vexual: and most is what is true of dollars is true of bitcoin
Vexual: *for
Vexual: bitcoin is still in the real of philosiphers
Vexual: not yet a science
Vexual: perhaps an art
Vexual: you can copy paste something from wikipedia, or imagine it through the eyes of your favourite ancient author
Vexual: but money talks and bullshit walks, as willful man will tell
Vexual: for those who are unfamiliar with the internation, ill give you this piece
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4633 @ 0.00085234 = 3.9489 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0057 = 0.57 BTC [+]
Vexual: ive rode a wild bull round round a yard to win a five pound bet
Vexual: but this is sure the derndest ride that ive encountered yet
Vexual: ill give that two wheeled outlaw best, it's shaken all my nerve
Vexual: To feel it whistle through the air and plunge and buck and swerve
Vexual: but what ill sit while hide will hold and girths and straps are tight
Vexual: i'll ride this here two wheeled concern right straight away at sight
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00084647 = 2.1585 BTC [-]
ozbot: Damian "Jr Gong" Marley - Old War Chant (Mr. Marley) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.0058 = 0.3828 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I guess I'll warn anyone invested in Bitcoinsports.eu that this is an active betslip I own http://bitcoinsports.eu/bet/6d7fa?destination=bet-slip
Vexual: i just got an unusual sign of regression
Vexual: but i doubt its related to the bitcoin dollar price
Vexual: it was a bird i havent seen for a year
Vexual: always tied in two
Vexual: she shat on the floor
Vexual: then she took off on black and white wings
ozbot: Afroman - Hungry Hustler - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Bitcoin Dollar price will be irrelevant in not less than a year. Before long the importance will reverse.
Vexual: thats why i have no idea how to sell
Vexual: ill wait til i can buy something i want
BigBitz: I will buy your coin from you :)
Vexual: you got a large parcel of fruitful land?
ozbot: Black Sabbath - Paranoid(1970 - Music Video) - YouTube
BigBitz: I do not. I have cash :)
Vexual: if its usd, you can save your keyboard strokes
BigBitz: USD lol
BigBitz: GBP ftw
Vexual: yuan perhaps
BigBitz: Sure I can get you JPY :)
Vexual: fuck off with your fake money
BigBitz: ...
Vexual: no really im not selling
BigBitz: keep holding.
BigBitz: keep strong.
Vexual: im looking for some nice acres, anywhere
BigBitz: you must have a lot of bitcoin :)
Vexual: 2 bitcoin will buy a nice acxre in 10 years
BigBitz: Hopefully :)
BigBitz: bbl.
Vexual: at todays land prices
Vexual: more billion humans gonna want more food
Vexual: life gets cheaper, prices get steeper, that s the future boys
BingoBoingo: I'll be honest. I would part with some coin soon for a Dodge Stealth in decent condition.
Vexual: :)
Vexual: sounds nice
BingoBoingo: Vexual: The thing is I'd have to find the sort of redneck who has both a Dodge Stealth to sell and an awareness of what Bitcoin is.
ozbot: The Black Eyed Peas - Weekend ft. Esthero - YouTube
Vexual: nice cars are tempting, but they dont make income aunless one is a limo driver
Vexual: im not rich enough to spend 30k on 4 wheels
Vexual: i like to keep a car with no ecu in case of emp
Vexual: also incase real style is required
Vexual: buy an old 70's mustang and make it nice with extra money you stupid american fuck
Vexual: a two door 70s ford is no less than 50 in australia
ozbot: Mad Max chase - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.00114889 = 1.1489 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [+]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 19 @ 0.0079 = 0.1501 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 492 @ 0.00114889 = 0.5653 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.62982726 = 6.9281 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 342 @ 0.00109767 = 0.3754 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00565657 = 0.5939 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17236 @ 0.00014718 = 2.5368 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00084324 = 2.6562 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 95 @ 0.00108501 = 0.1031 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.002 = 1 BTC [+]
ozbot: Time to let the cat out of the hat. : SilkroadUNcensored
jurov: another lulzy piece how proactive is btc community toward scammers, silkroad edition
jurov: and much more
davout: jurov: scam hunting is good
davout: it keeps retards busy
mircea_popescu: jurov interesting.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00108501 = 0.1085 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: What was even more interesting, was that the notice used a high quality logo unable to be found by anyone else despite an hour of searching, until a random user popped in and said “I found it in 2 minutes by using Google.“ No, you did not. I spent 30 minutes staring at Google images, and I found nothing.
mircea_popescu: funny how the dork mind works. "i can't do shit therefore shit can't be done stop lying to me!!11"
davout: "His nose is constantly being edited." --> the jews, always the jews
mircea_popescu: "The mouth which comes from this photo is one shameful mistake." whay ?!
mircea_popescu: was silkroad built atop a hill ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "wrong guy" suspicions aren't entirely without merit, even if reddit makes a typically redditarded soup out of it.
mircea_popescu: "The FBI has not made a single official comment via any of their press channels. The FBI media relations team has updated nearly every day before" ahahah forum mentality, i think the government is a scam because it hasn't posted in the thread for a week!!1
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 258 @ 0.00108 = 0.2786 BTC [-] {3}
KRS1: heh
KRS1: is bitkoins.com really the #1 Bitcoin news and forum site
mircea_popescu: totally.
mircea_popescu: godaddy domain Registered OnMarch 30, 2013. so it has to be.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62998 = 1.26 BTC [+]
KRS1: never heard of it heh
krlbrgmn: mircea_popescu re: http://trilema.com/2013/things-that-matter-these-days-things-that-dont-matter-these-days/ "A good chunk of the recent hashpower is split roughly evenly between the Chinese and the US government."
krlbrgmn: mircea_popescu can you please give more hints?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00083981 = 4.535 BTC [-]
KRS1: you might have to ask him for a complimentary Trilema subscription, there are hints in there from time to time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00084216 = 1.8949 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.611 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.002 = 2 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: krlbrgmn not atm
ozbot: ...I accept nothing. - Imgur
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00084287 = 2.36 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: good one
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> adis99: I'm kind of wondering why they allowed such a puny bet to be protected from market forces. << mod just forgot private bets need 10btc in zeroconf.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00566 = 0.1075 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 358 @ 0.002 = 0.716 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00083975 = 4.3247 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00084452 = 1.0979 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00083917 = 4.5315 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: Sorry kakobrekla, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
kakobrekla: Reposting deleted posts (60 days)
kakobrekla: you know, i wouldnt have to be reposting if the idiots wouldnt be deleting.
ozbot: Sad Trombone
pankkake: Congratulations!
kakobrekla: thanks!
davout: being banned from the forums sounds like a promotion!
kleeck: Yeah... reposting. SO HARD. SO NOBLE.
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 5405 BTC profit, 59.2k BTC invested, 197.69 mio bets, 4.24 mio BTC wagered
kakobrekla: deleting a scam accusation makes the deleter an accomplice/shill
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6101 = 6.101 BTC [-]
samson_: I see Cryptsy.com is offering 100,000 shares (20% of company) on cryptostocks.com in an IPO with no expiry date for 0.05 BTC each - listed yesterday by the looks of it
pankkake: altcoins dying? time to sell the company!
VanCleef: i only invest in PIF and Amythest
samson_: Apparently they are going to apply for licensing so they can sell coins for USD
samson_: All coins including BTC
pankkake: and they value themselves at 25000 BTC, sure :)
samson_: never mind the alts - it's a way into BTC
samson_: Well that's the issue - it looks a bit overpriced
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.00566001 = 0.5094 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: I don't even see how they are going to complete raising 5000 BTC
samson_: me neither
pankkake: worst of all, why aren't they using their own websites to sell the shares?
samson_: I would normally buy some as the value would probably go up anyway but with no end date listed for the IPO price they might not sell all 100,000 and that would fix the price
Apocalyptic: pankkake, the part where most bitcoin people seem to fail the most is company/assets valuation
samson_: I bought some ASICMINER shares just over a year ago, that was the last time I invested in any assets - that wasn't so bad
ozbot: "I Support an Orwellian Police State in America" - YouTube
bitesak: the futures bright !
samson_: lol
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.604975 = 24.199 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 296 @ 0.00565845 = 1.6749 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 151 @ 0.00553028 = 0.8351 BTC [-] {9}
taub: btcn more volume than gox and bitstamp last 24h !
taub: are chinamen pushing the price ralley?
Apocalyptic: yes they are obviously
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what forum is this ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.594304 = 5.943 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: samson_ you know tjhe story of the fraudulent ipo of cryptostocks itself righ ?
kleeck: Chinese Government is pushing BTC to destablize the USD further and have stronger grounds to push BRIC away from the USD.
Apocalyptic: i don't mircea, tell me
kleeck: /tinfoil hat
mircea_popescu: well basically the guy made an ipo of his own site, which included a hefty licensing fee to be paid to himself
mircea_popescu: the deal got altered after the ipo so as to vacuum most value from the supposed "investors"
mircea_popescu: it's all over the forum, see his ipo thread
mircea_popescu: provided kakobrekla didn't delete all the posts meanwhile, of course.
Apocalyptic: why would kako do that ?
mircea_popescu: kleeck yeah, totally, bric needs more reasons to move away from usd. the chinese also summoned the us ambasador in paris, i bet.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic it's a joke, kakobrekla was complaining above he got banned for reposting deleted posts.
mircea_popescu: obviously it'd be the forum administration deleting old smoking gun posts, not kakobrekla
Apocalyptic: ok, i've been out of the loop for a while
Apocalyptic: gotta catch up
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kakobrekla: mircea_popescu, bitcointalk ofc.
mircea_popescu: what was the post anyway ?
ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on [BTC-TC]
kakobrekla: its still there, the 3rd version of it or whatever.
kakobrekla: but badbear felt butthurt when i pmed him
kakobrekla: that i know that he is trying to push ban for me
kakobrekla: and now they plan to check all pms
kakobrekla: to see who leaked that info
kakobrekla: cause that is unacceptable!
kakobrekla: lolz.
mircea_popescu: what info you mean ?
kakobrekla: the info that he is pushing ban for me in the staff department forum
kakobrekla: and deleting my posts.
kakobrekla: it went like this
kakobrekla: 1. i post some stuff
kakobrekla: 2. it gets deleted
kakobrekla: 3. i re-post it
kakobrekla: 4. garr cries over my pm to leave britney alone
kakobrekla: 5. it gets deleted
kakobrekla: 6. i repost it
mircea_popescu: some stuff = ?
kakobrekla: 7. i get info who is deleting and trying to ban me
mircea_popescu: i don't think you;'re getting banned here for expliciting it.
kakobrekla: 8. i pm that douchebag that he should stop deleting to stop reposts
kakobrekla: 9. ban
kakobrekla: and 10.
kakobrekla: drama continiues in the mod department
Apocalyptic: sounds like btctalk indeed
kakobrekla: some stuff i guess is "the slander of garr"
kakobrekla: as garr put it.
kakobrekla: im just having some morning coffee forum fun
davout: i can confirm that the butthurt level rose in the mod sections
jcpham: i can confirm i've never used btctalk in the sense of this conversation
Apocalyptic: davout, you still do btc-central's btc withdrawal manually ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares anyway, not like that cryptowhatever is doing anything
davout: Apocalyptic: yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00084452 = 0.8867 BTC [+]
ozbot: The Terrifying Search Engine That Finds Internet-Connected Cameras, Traffic Lights, Medical Devices,
mircea_popescu: that's kind of lulzy
kakobrekla: oh no! everything but the 'moron'!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4305 @ 0.00083849 = 3.6097 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62799999 BTC [+]
bitesak: hello
Rulother: hiyo
ChaangNoi: sawatde
TATI: TAT.ASICMINER migrations form Bitfunder to Havelock now open for a limited time: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192498.msg3395298#msg3395298
TATI: from*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2812 @ 0.00084278 = 2.3699 BTC [+]
dexX7: i assume you don't do 100x am100 -> am1 conversions?
TATI: nope
bitesak: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 213.30515, Best ask: 215.76366, Bid-ask spread: 2.45851, Last trade: 215.76433, 24 hour volume: 27047.04154481, 24 hour low: 198.51000, 24 hour high: 216.00000, 24 hour vwap: 207.62934
benkay: "None of us, none of the people in that room want to just accept these kinds of conditions written in a top-down fashion by the Foundation that is effectively today a US foundation."
ozbot: Bitcoin in Israel: Interview with Meni Rosenfeld and Ron Gross, Part 2 – Bitcoin Magazine
benkay: tee hee us bitcoin "foundation" rejected like a tryhard
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.627 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: benkay such a shocker.
mircea_popescu: you mean nobody cares about yet another group of posers ?! but who could have imagiend this!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00545001 = 0.1799 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00545001 = 0.1145 BTC [-]
ozbot: Bitfunder - no reason for a fire sale
ozbot: Assessing The State Of PGP Keys With Phuctor | Mike the Crypto Goat
dexX7: "the latter guy is uh, infamous in the bitcoin world" :D
mircea_popescu: left him a comment.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.57751099 = 28.8755 BTC [-] {9}
pankkake: I'm not sure central bank governor is a good title. sounds like scammer mafia boss
mircea_popescu: we're troll baiting each other
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00083662 = 2.8863 BTC [-]
ozbot: SEC moves toward allowing crowdfunding IPOs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 115 @ 0.0011487 = 0.1321 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: it will turn "salami" scams, where small amounts are defrauded from investors, into the new normal,"
deadweasel: "This is not a good day for financially unsophisticated investors who will be targeted unrelentingly by stock promoters."
ThickAsThieves: cuz invetsors never got defrauded before
deadweasel: small time is easier. many more, harder to regulate, etc.
deadweasel: but yeah
mircea_popescu: measure has its downsides, definitely. also kind of unavoidable.
deadweasel: crowdfunding americans are going to lose their shirts.
deadweasel: in general, we are exceedingly ignorant.
mircea_popescu: you mean the borrowed shirts they currently wear ? or what "their" ?
deadweasel: yes, we are wearing china's old t-shirts.
deadweasel: they are very soft and cozy.
deadweasel: because sweatshop kids wore them first.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00114852 = 0.1149 BTC [-] {2}
deadweasel: hopefully, they will learn something and teach their kids and grandkids how to not be defrauded. but it's more likely they get drunk and beat them instead.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 350 @ 0.00114987 = 0.4025 BTC [+] {4}
pankkake: well, kickstarter shows americans are happy to lose their money already :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 200 @ 0.00114989 = 0.23 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00114989 = 0.115 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: yeah, what pman said
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00545 = 0.3815 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: i seriously could not believe the stats of that thing
kakobrekla: urlpls
mircea_popescu: i mean... that in bitcoin crazy lalaland people like that scam whose name escapes me now take pride in 80% return rates is onme thing. but mainstream ? just wow.
ozbot: No Accountability: Board Game Creator Cans $123K Kickstarter Project
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1295 @ 0.00083584 = 1.0824 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: good example. but just google kickstarter scam
benkay: but mircea people are basically good
benkay: and make smart investments
mircea_popescu: except they do it in the ass.
Apocalyptic: they male smart investments until one day they don't...
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 31.67198172 BTC to 8`451 shares, 374772 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.380015 = 3.8002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.572 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2458 @ 0.00114989 = 2.8264 BTC [+]
dexX7: https://hashfast.com/?p=2445&preview=true "taking a few weeks longer than expected"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3385 @ 0.00083169 = 2.8153 BTC [-]
ozbot: UPDATED SHIPPING NEWS | HashFast Technologies
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00015 = 0.225 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: ;;seen #bitcoin-assets thestringpuller
gribble: thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 18 hours, 12 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> vis-a-vis Namworld the Canadian
mod6: wow. GTAV or a women has him pinned down.
phungus: he's been absent from BitVPS as well
phungus: I think he's been overwhelmed by life recently
phungus: Namworld, that is
mod6: oh
mod6: is it looking for a home still?
kakobrekla: is he homeless?
phungus: BitVPS or Namworld?
phungus: :-)
kakobrekla: dunno , both
phungus: BitVPS == homeless as far as a share exchange goes
phungus: no idea about Nam
phungus: MPEX should offer us a sweet deal to re-list... hint hint
mod6: its been mentioned
phungus: we would probably do it
nubbins`: "I wonder whether one of the team should contact one of the keyservers and request a dump of their database. "
phungus: a $6500 fee to join an exchange is a little excessive though and I'm not sure but that might be a show-stopper right there
phungus: lol
phungus: if it's still 30BTC
phungus: we only got delisted because rg sold the corp to us and didn't tell anyone which broke the exchange rules
mod6: i rememeber vividly.
phungus: we're even more solid today than we were then tho
phungus: we own physical gear, etc
phungus: and have been profitable the whole year
nubbins`: there are mpex brokers
ozbot: About CoinBr
skinnkavaj: pankkake
ozbot: [CRYPTOAVE.com] New BTC/DGC exchange IPO
nubbins`: !ticker --market bitstamp
assbot: Ah, your hair. Your hair is soft. It's like a girl's. Now how do you get it that way?
phungus: a Broker doesn't seem like it would help for listing
nubbins`: ;;gpg eauth nubbins`
gribble: Request successful for user nubbins`, hostmask nubbins`!~nubbins`@stjhnf0148w-142134193006.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.nl.bellaliant.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/CF2950F23C844002
pankkake: whatcoin now?
nubbins`: phungus: no, but it would help for people buying/selling
phungus: yeah, I suppose so
nubbins`: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:1dcbd21828071f2ba4842d8ccd3869b43616b165010a4fef2c4aa785
gribble: You are now authenticated for user nubbins` with key CF2950F23C844002
nubbins`: it's 30 btc even if you're listing?
deadweasel: pay the man!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2145 @ 0.00063999 = 1.3728 BTC [+]
mod6: you'd have to discuss listing with mp. and if bitvps was relisted, im pretty sure that at least the ceo/cfo would need to have an acct @ mpex to pay divs etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 851 @ 0.0011499 = 0.9786 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.000235 = 1.175 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 3158 @ 0.00115224 = 3.6388 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: even if the divs can be paid through a broker, i suppose that whatever float retained by the owners would need to be held somewhere, requiring an account.
mod6: verdad?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 5000 @ 0.000648 = 3.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00083468 = 2.4623 BTC [-]
the20year: howdee
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4165 @ 0.00083658 = 3.4844 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 13.32992160 BTC to 374`436 shares, 3560 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 167 @ 0.001155 = 0.1929 BTC [+]
mod6: if you're angla merkel, would you believe obama when he says that he's not motitoring your phone calls?
deadweasel: you believe whatever he tells you to believe.
kleeck: I just read this gem of an article. Here's a very apt quote.
kleeck: "Crowdfunding today is rife with examples of consumers donating money to entrepreneurs, only for those people to take the money without ever producing the product or service that was pitched."
ozbot: SEC moves toward allowing crowdfunding IPOs
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7035 @ 0.00083658 = 5.8853 BTC [+]
mod6: deadweasel: haha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 415 @ 0.00083662 = 0.3472 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah.
mircea_popescu: but namworld has an account iirc
mod6: ah. ok
mircea_popescu: and no, the recent spying scandals have cost the us in europe more than what clinton has managed to build.
mircea_popescu: (bill clinton, that is)
mod6: maybe merkel needs to fool 'em with some phonograph whitenoise records.
mod6: a la cryptonomicon
mod6: i wouldn't believe a goddamn word these guys say, they've always got their fingers crossed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 30 @ 0.32353353 = 9.706 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: actually there's some talk of the eu making its own sigint and ditching nato
mircea_popescu: "russians and the us equally hostile" and so on.
mod6: they certainly should.
asciilifeform: if dogs could speak, there would probably be talk among poodles of building their own walking parks and ditching humans.
mircea_popescu: except in this field the eu has more money and more human capital.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what was the EU's answer to the U.S. demand for root privs on Galileo (EU GPS equiv.) ?
mircea_popescu: what year was that ?
asciilifeform: if i recall, the question was posed as 'give us an off switch or your sats get added to the target list.'
asciilifeform: couple of years ago
mircea_popescu: a lot has changed in those couple of years.
mircea_popescu: why, even last year the us could get away with kidnapping the future president of france.
asciilifeform: seems like the galileo people caved
asciilifeform: they agreed to move their freq. band away from u.s. gps, so it could be jammed separately.
mircea_popescu: im telling you, a lot has changed in the past ~6 months, and a lot in tjhe past 6 days.
asciilifeform: that's the sort of thing i was talking about.
asciilifeform: wake me up when they start publicly hanging us signint agents when caught in the wiring closets.
mircea_popescu: not likely they'll ever do that.
mircea_popescu: the yurpeans are romantics, they've not killed a spy since forever.
asciilifeform: so, not poodles? maybe occasionally ill-tempered ones, but where's the bite.
mod6: mara hati was the last?
mod6: *hari
mircea_popescu: what's this, infantry engagement ? spying is about information not killing people
mircea_popescu: mod6 mata hari was supposed to die in her bed, except they couldn't find it, so they did the next best thing :
mircea_popescu: tied to a pole with a bunch of dudes
asciilifeform: point, in that it isn't about blood per se, except to demonstrate intent. but which euro nation has banned u.s. OS on gov. hardware?
asciilifeform: look to me like they're happy to be pwned.
asciilifeform: just not publicly and loudly.
mod6: is sad really.
mircea_popescu: that impression is a great asset im sure.
mircea_popescu: rivkin's protestations to the contrary notwithstanding, the us has managed to drive itself into this narrow ally where practically speaking china is it's closest ally.
mircea_popescu: it's a sad state of affairs when a man can't really find a friend past his creditors.
mod6: true enough, you reap what you sow.
mod6: im paranoid enough as an american. they've got everyone on tap. if i was a forign int service, gov or private citizen, i'd boycott all us software, and rebuild.
mod6: no reason to use the stuff that comes with backdoors from these savages.
mircea_popescu: fortunately the foss was always big in europe
mod6: that always helps.
mod6: the nsa twisting nipples in enc algos and prngs is scary though. that stuff gets widespread.
mod6: not a lot of people can determine if its been diddled with or not
mod6: what was the one we were talking about most recently? the ECC backdoor?
mircea_popescu: maybe someone brings good quality hardware rngs to the masses.
mod6: :)
mod6: when that day comes, it'll be a great day for personal and ditital liberty.
KRS1-: doesn't their filtering/diddling cause a delay with time sensitive synchronization
mod6: bah, *digital
asciilifeform: until everybody understands that cryptographic suitability is an entirely non-mathematical property of the bits (vs. entropic quality, an easily-quantified one) - people will be confused.
asciilifeform: cryptographic 'randomness' is a matter of provenance (as in this: http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/lawpoli/colour/2004061001.php) rather than entropy per se.
mircea_popescu: well, actually, randomness is not a property of numbers. it's a property of processes.
mircea_popescu: oldest observation in the book
mod6: thats the problem with hardware prng's, they can always be tampered with
nubbins`: haha, the color of bits re: 4'33
mircea_popescu: "random number" really shuld be "number obtained randomly"
nubbins`: that's some seriously christian-based logic right there
jcpham: christians are always right
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` how you mean ?
nubbins`: i mean when you take communion, you are, in the view of the church, literally eating the body of christ
nubbins`: now, it looks and acts like a plain unleavened wafer
mircea_popescu: well yes.
mircea_popescu: this is acquinas' idea.
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: and put into the context of 4'33 in the article asciilifeform linked
asciilifeform: it's not a philosophical question at all, re: the bits. their 'security' is a function of the bits and of the enemy's brain. if he knows (or might easily learn) them, they might be entropic, but not suitable for crypto.
nubbins`: "this string of zeroes isn't 4'33, but THIS string of zeroes *is*"
asciilifeform: the digits of 'pi' pass every test of entropy you can think of. (save one!)
mircea_popescu: i think you two are discussing different things
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: i didn't get more than a couple paragraphs into that article
nubbins`: and then i went off on a tangent
nubbins`: about transubstantiation :(
mircea_popescu: anyway, i must join my recommendation to the http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/lawpoli/colour/2004061001.php article.
mircea_popescu: it's one of those rare bits written by a competent translator, ie, one who has solid familiarity in two different fields.
asciilifeform: for the impatient: it wasn't about crypto per se, but still mandatory.
nubbins`: hm, i wonder if a contact mic would be useful in the context of RNGs
nubbins`: they're really small, and really cheap
mircea_popescu: for some values of useful. i prefer them to avalanche processes, but they have to be well filtered
asciilifeform: nubbins`: not that you can't use audio as an entropy seed, but most of it is incredibly periodic
asciilifeform: that's not even counting non-audio signals that the amp picks up (mains hum, for one)
nubbins`: maybe more suitable in a battery-operated device
nubbins`: on the surface it sounds great. rub the contact mic against any surface and get all the entropy you need
nubbins`: but i don't think it's quite that straight-forward
asciilifeform: think of all the periodic audio where you now stand. pc fan. wind. your breath. etc
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: these things are incredibly sensitive though
asciilifeform: plug it into an oscilloscope and instantly see what i meant.
nubbins`: well. incredibly sensitive to touch, incredibly insensitive to regular sources of sound
nubbins`: you can put one inside your mouth and scream, and it'll barely register
nubbins`: or you can rub a feather against it, and deafen yourself
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> on the surface it sounds great. rub the contact mic against any surface and get all the entropy you need << o no, not at all. you can't use such low bits.
asciilifeform: point is, a piece of garbage that may seem 'random' to the naked eye can have all kinds of nice predictable patterns if one knows where to look.
nubbins`: yeah, guess that's the catch
nubbins`: any amplifier would introduce its own brand of consistency to the signal, &c &c
mircea_popescu: you're going the wrong way with the amplifiers
mircea_popescu: what you do is you put up a mic and sample it at 0.00000001 hz.
mircea_popescu: that's random enough
mircea_popescu: takes a while, but nevertheless.
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nubbins`: noise from contact mic fed into a non-linear equation as an input variable?
nubbins`: just thinking out loud here
mircea_popescu: that's just hashing
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: that's right
asciilifeform: if you're ok with a glacially-slow entropy source, just expose a DRAM chip to sunlight, with deliberately inadequate refresh cycles, wait for radiation bit-flippage.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's horribly biased.
dub: is it still going to be random if I control input into the mic? because its trvial to do that remotely
nubbins`: trivial?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as vonneumann-debiasable as anything else
dub: yes
nubbins`: i've got one in my hand right now
nubbins`: control its input!
dub: I'd need to be a bit nearer to you but its doable
nubbins`: they're almost completely insensitive to air vibrations. you'd need to have it in your hand
dub: all you need is a radio and an amp
asciilifeform: nubbins`: anything attached to a human brain is a terrible source of entropy
asciilifeform: nubbins`: ever play with 'von neumann's mind reader' algo ?
nubbins`: nope
dub: nubbins`: http://lifehacker.com/5852903/silence-noisy-neighbors-by-transmitting-signals-through-their-own-speakers is an example but it might be easier to just introduce a less than random noise floor
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00083312 = 2.4994 BTC [-]
nubbins`: yeah, what i'm saying is that you'd deafen me before the contact mic would pick up the audio from my stereo
nubbins`: literally, i'd be dead with blood coming out of my ears
dub: you're wrong but keep talking
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> control its input! << olo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you sghould make that a webservice.
nubbins`: contact mics are orders of magnitude more sensitive to touch vibration than air vibration
asciilifeform: i did at one point, lost the code
asciilifeform: the way the game works:
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the interraction happens through em not airwaves.
asciilifeform: you say '0' or '1'
asciilifeform: computer says '0' or '1'
dub: 20 years ago we could modulate an RF signal such that your skull would resonate a recognisable signal you would hear inside your head
asciilifeform: you tell it if it was correct
asciilifeform: it goes off and changes weights on markov chain.
asciilifeform: keeps score.
asciilifeform: human usually loses unless he cheats
asciilifeform: (starts counting letters in phrases from memory, flips coins, etc.)
asciilifeform: not my idea. attributed to johnny von n, but i was given it by my brother, who plucked it from an ancient soviet textbook.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00083776 = 7.1628 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: if you make it a webservice this'll be a great group activity at april conference.
mircea_popescu: get everyone drunk, person with worst score picks up the tab
asciilifeform: sure why not!
nubbins`: hm. well, i guess if i was onto something here, it would've been figured out ages ago
mircea_popescu: "Hey, Reddit, Ycombinator, and Metafilter readers! You know what, I'm proud that this article has become a benchmark, but I've written a lot of others I like too, some of them more recently than 2004. It would sure be nice if my other articles got some love instead of just this one being linked from a discussion every week."
mircea_popescu: dude wrote an article a decade ago, which saw 100bn page loads and 34 comments.
mircea_popescu: understandably a little miffed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 0.06999 = 0.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9116 @ 0.0008392 = 7.6501 BTC [+] {2}
dub: he should fartscroll.js it
pankkake: could a vacuum tube be used as an entropy source?
mircea_popescu: pankkake that's basically avalanche
pankkake: ok. interesting
mircea_popescu: basically you put a diode into backwards mode and count the electrons that make it past the barrier
b0n1: is it profitable trading gold in china?
b0n1: meaning to ship it out and sell it on for example european market
b0n1: anyone a source or a clue?
pankkake: I like vacuum tubes for the looks basically :p I'd buy that kind of random number generator
mircea_popescu: b0n1 no. china is a net importer, and because of govt pressure consumer gold is even more expensive
mircea_popescu: go the other way.
pankkake: don't you have to smugle it? or it's india
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13660 @ 0.00084429 = 11.533 BTC [+] {4}
topace: do the coinabul peeps every lurk on irc these days ?
mircea_popescu: coingenuity
nubbins`: pankkake: plus you could be all badass walking into the music store
nubbins`: "yeah, i need some tubes"
nubbins`: "oh, for your amp?"
b0n1: what is a good chinese commodity for taking out and selling elsewhere more expensive
mircea_popescu: b0n1 women.
b0n1: jade? is there actually a market for jade in europe?
b0n1: lal mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: also, tshirts, electronic appliances of all kinds, small plastic toys
mircea_popescu: as well as 90% of all the items you have seen today.
nubbins`: chinese t-shirts
mod6: pankkake: seems like india has import controls, something like 15% tax on gold import
b0n1: well but there are certainly high market entry barriers, right? Maybe you need licences that are difficult to get?
mircea_popescu: basically you need to sign an agreement that if you steal their money they'll kill you with knives.
mircea_popescu: think of dealing with the mob, it's how china handles its export business.
pankkake: nubbins`: exactly, and I already have tubes for my amp anyway ;)
nubbins`: i'm picturing a Hiwatt with a built-in RNG
mircea_popescu: but speaking of gold, anyone saw the 2mn oz paper sale on the 11th ?
mod6: yeah
nubbins`: "5-level eq, all tubes, sub-harmonic generator, and here's a usb port"
mircea_popescu: day's lol it was.
coingenuity: mircea_popescu: hm?
b0n1: do you have to pay tax on gold in china?
coingenuity: b0n1: you can't import gold to china
b0n1: export
b0n1: no import
coingenuity: you pay your 'tax' in the form of price-fixes by the government, which is the only authority allowed to sell/buy
coingenuity: you cant export either
coingenuity: bank of china is the only one allowed
b0n1: black market?
coingenuity: you can bribe them and get an export authorization, or so i hear
b0n1: shadow banking system?
mircea_popescu: this dude is cute.
coingenuity: whats good mircea_popescu :)
mircea_popescu: yes, all hail b0n1, the new black gold market czar of china
b0n1: :)
mircea_popescu: they'll shoot you dood.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, china buys 100-150 tons a month. thanks to the jpm&co keeping the price low with their derivative trades,
coingenuity: yeah, the gov buys a ton
b0n1: coingenuity, is it difficult to get the export authorization?
coingenuity: b0n1: i assume its nearly impossible
mircea_popescu: start by getting the job of chinese foreign trade minister
mircea_popescu: then it;'s easy.
b0n1: :) maybe i am
b0n1: haha
mircea_popescu: on the internet every dog is the emperor of china.
b0n1: coingenuity, what do you think of jade?
coingenuity: b0n1: no opinion
b0n1: or as mircea_popescu said any textile stuff. you could just go to a trading company that ship the stuff always straight to europe
nubbins`: b0n1: curious to know what you're getting at here
mircea_popescu: yes yes. if you have a good opportunity they'll provide you goods. learn chinese, go hang out there fgor a year. it's a living.
mircea_popescu: not quite as good a living as it was in 1993, but anyway.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.0057 = 0.1995 BTC [-]
b0n1: nubbins`, maybe some cool sources to read a bit about that
b0n1: good forums or stuff... cant find any good source
nubbins`: i meant, why are you so interested in exporting a good from chins
nubbins`: uh. china
nubbins`: !ticker
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
nubbins`: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 221.80016, Best ask: 223.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.19984, Last trade: 221.80016, 24 hour volume: 37045.60898872, 24 hour low: 199.60000, 24 hour high: 224.30000, 24 hour vwap: 211.91772
nubbins`: ^ that's getting a bit ridiculous
b0n1: nubbins`, because i think there is great potential after the opening
mod6: i've been thinking about this chart lately: http://blockchain.info/charts/miners-operating-profit-margin << even after the rally, look where it is.
nubbins`: i'm having trouble deciding how greedy to be
mircea_popescu: mod6 which is why the rally.
mod6: kakobrekla: what does the x axis rep? im cornfused.
mircea_popescu: on top of everything else however, like tech obsolesncence etc, the independent miners now also have the problem of dealing with people who mine for political rather than economic reasons
mircea_popescu: it'll be tough
kakobrekla: horizontal is time
nubbins`: 10% attack
mod6: kakobrekla: i can't figure how those numbers are linear though
nubbins`: anyway, the dilemma is that if i sell this stack of btc now, i could lose out on potential gains if the trend continues to rise
kakobrekla: its a copla of years chars since its started to chart
kakobrekla: dayum its been long :\
nubbins`: but if i sit on them with the expectation that the trend continues, i risk losing out on potential gains as well
nubbins`: and so i'm left trying to decide just how greedy i am
mircea_popescu: lmao. 1st world problems.
nubbins`: i know right?
mod6: oh because { 26.x, 27.x, 28.x, 27.x, 26.x ...} etc
mod6: ok heh
mod6: oh thats the date, not the month. got it.
nubbins`: well, that makes more sense now
nubbins`: what an odd date format
mircea_popescu: it's not odd, it's european/
nubbins`: you just said two opposite things
mircea_popescu: inception
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mircea_popescu: im curious how long before judges move to gpg sigs
deadweasel: yes, wake up, the price is actually $33/btc
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: prolly never
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i wouldn't take the judge job w/o gpg sigs.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.31000087 = 2.48 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: well, there are plenty of judges that won't accept emailed documents but will accept faxes
nubbins`: not necessarily the most eager to embrace technology
nubbins`: anyway, i gotta go prep for a zine workshop. peace
mircea_popescu: yeah, but suppose it becomes law tomorrow that should your signature be forged, you're responsible as if you had signed.
nubbins`: heh!
mircea_popescu: part of a larger obama responsibility reform package, that also includes a rule that if your computer is hacked and sends spam, you're fined
mircea_popescu: ten bux an email or something reasonable like that.
mircea_popescu: (half of which going to the party that reports the spam, of course)
ozbot: Roger Hodgson - Dreamer [Live] - YouTube
nubbins`: and on that note, i'm out
mod6: only a matter of time until a party collects keys and then spams people to generate rev.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2662 @ 0.00084533 = 2.2503 BTC [+]
mod6: (if that should happen)
mircea_popescu: mod6 how'd that work ?
mod6: <dude> Your Honor, I swear I never sent those emails. <Judge> Sorry son, this spam has your key sig.
mod6: *gavel*
mircea_popescu: most of spam floating about today is traceable to clueless "businesses"
mircea_popescu: that run poorly secured, windows computers on the network
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57300014 = 1.719 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: consider : Subject: This Company Announced News Today From: frank@altimayachts.com
mircea_popescu: "Altima Yachts, Inc was founded out of a desire by our founder, Frank Sciortino, to produce the finest cruising yacht possible at a reasonable investment level."
pankkake: so running windows is now a crime in the US? at least government intervention does something positive!
pankkake: at last*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8087 @ 0.00084594 = 6.8411 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ah the sweet day when im tyrant and everyone who ever worked for microsoft is permanently in jail.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0055432 = 0.2772 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1713 @ 0.00084719 = 1.4512 BTC [+]
ozbot: New device stores electricity on silicon chips | Research News @ Vanderbilt | Vanderbilt Universi
ozbot: Winklevoss Bitcoin Trust on Bloomberg
mircea_popescu: not much yet.
mircea_popescu: it's been pending listing since summer.
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.01112, Best ask: 223.79500, Bid-ask spread: 1.78388, Last trade: 222.01110, 24 hour volume: 37508.43892433, 24 hour low: 199.60135, 24 hour high: 224.30000, 24 hour vwap: 212.23333
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
pgp: mod6: Regarding miner profits, Blockchain.info has not updated it's assumption of Watts/GH in a long time. Latest hardware is at around 10 Watts per GH not 650 Watts. Miners are still making plenty...
gribble: Current Blocks: 265603 | Current Difficulty: 2.677312494824211E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 266111 | Next Difficulty In: 508 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 8 hours, 26 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 380572529.595 | Estimated Percent Change: 42.14722
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 380572529.595 based on data since last change | 433506794.872 based on data for last three days
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
mod6: pgp: ah. thx.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 86 @ 0.00571022 = 0.4911 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;gentime 1000000
gribble: The average time to generate a block at 1000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 267731249.482, is 1 week, 6 days, 7 hours, 25 minutes, and 14 seconds
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 13*24*3.600*10
gribble: 11232
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 25 * 220 / 11232
gribble: 0.489672364672
mircea_popescu: nah that's broken
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 13*24*10
gribble: 3120
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 25 * 220 / 3120
gribble: 1.76282051282
mircea_popescu: so yeah, if they pay less than 1.75 dollars / kwh and the gear was free they're making a profit.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.25 = 0.5 BTC [+]
benkay: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 7 minutes and 59 seconds
mod6: so could a hardware device that measures the decay of a certain isotope be contrived to obtain a reliable source of random numbers? and if so, what would be the best isotope to use?
mircea_popescu: if the gear costs 100k per terahash and it has to be amortised in 6 months however, the cost of electricity would have to be under -7 dollars/kwh or so.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i'll tell you later, in the shape of a future nsa product :D
mod6: :]
dub: it'll be a box with a camera and a turtle in it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00084685 = 1.1856 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: why a turtle specifically ?
dub: best size vs. longevity I could think of in 8 seconds
dub: some of those little guys last 20 years
dub: big ones longer than us obviously but harder to ug around
dub: lug*
dub: darwin be praised
jurov: <phungus> [18:45:17] a Broker doesn't seem like it would help for listing << why not? it can help you, infact i'm already doing stuff to help namworld with this passthroughs ;)
jurov: *with his passthroughs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61269944 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.005496 = 0.1374 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 746 @ 0.005251 = 3.9172 BTC [-] {32}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 567 @ 0.00503144 = 2.8528 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 83 @ 0.04989408 = 4.1412 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.31 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: >>"Kakobrekla is the slanderous soul"
mircea_popescu: who did you slander this time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.61275 = 3.0638 BTC [+]
dub: has to be luke
mircea_popescu: could be luke...
kakobrekla: no, its that kiddo.
mircea_popescu: here, i'll trade you : "the writer here has something interesting to say and a few useful ways to explain it, but jesus if trilema hasn't completely fucking spoiled me for elegance and conciseness."
kakobrekla: dunno how to slander that.
mircea_popescu: slander IMMUNITY
ThickAsThieves: <+AssetBot> [Graet.Loan] 2 @ 0.00502000 = 0.01004000 [-]
ThickAsThieves: it's a .01 face value "bond" (loan)
mircea_popescu: the market is never wrong
jurov: "slanderous soul" ... sounds almost poetic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00520001 = 0.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.0052 = 0.1196 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 42 @ 0.627069 = 26.3369 BTC [+] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.57329476 = 10.8926 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00084157 = 0.6733 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00500001 = 2.5 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00500084 = 0.6001 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 401 @ 0.00500009 = 2.005 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 256 @ 0.0050002 = 1.2801 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00084657 = 2.2011 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5621 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 668 @ 0.00017 = 0.1136 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00084124 = 6.1411 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10036 @ 0.00084082 = 8.4385 BTC [-] {2}
dub: its pretty easy realy
dub: when there are no resourcing limits, no regulations, no need to control quality
dub: of course they wont last more than a few minutes on the timescale of apple's history
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.00519507 = 0.1662 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00519871 = 0.3015 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2070 @ 0.00084082 = 1.7405 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.60597499 = 2.4239 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00083786 = 1.0054 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.563 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00083294 = 5.4558 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00519999 = 0.3016 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0050002 = 0.125 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1623 @ 0.00083169 = 1.3498 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 758 @ 0.00114998 = 0.8717 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00083786 = 5.9907 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.56200004 = 1.124 BTC [-]
dub: ;;ath
gribble: Error: "ath" is not a valid command.
dub: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 229.30538, vol: 39977.16721744 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 204.96, vol: 24337.44747621 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 201.002, vol: 21812.9261 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 208.0, vol: 11634.46571442 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 196.01, vol: 844.79642574 | Volume-weighted last average: 214.236556853
assbot: 123!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11693 @ 0.00083568 = 9.7716 BTC [-] {2}
Diablo-D3: wtf 229
dub: we should ask mircea_popescu if its ok to be this high
Diablo-D3: before or after toking on a bong?
dub: we may need an angry blog post to bring it down
mircea_popescu: there ain't no bringing this down babeh.
dub: the price, not net speed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00083575 = 11.1991 BTC [+] {2}
pgp: i wish charts like that were plotted against log10...
BingoBoingo: This just looks like the same process that started last winter where the new $100 normal was discovered. Maybe we are in for Bitcoin's trek from being the internet's crisp hundred dollar bill to being the crisp 500 euro note.
mircea_popescu: there certainly exists the sufficient cause and backing for it.
KRS1: cool next month i get to start throwing my asic miners away..useless.
mircea_popescu: KRS1 have BingoBoingo over for a bbq
KRS1: I live in Florida near Miami.
KRS1: not far from Miami
dexX7: bitcoin backing / justification for a huge rise = purchased asic hardware, mp?
BingoBoingo: KRS1: That isn't too long of a drive. I just might have to retape my passenger side mirror on before I try returning to the Interstate Highways.
KRS1: jaja
KRS1: A while back i met Aaron the author of BAMT. He lives not far from me.
KRS1: met quite a few people in BTC here.
KRS1: LorenzoMoney..he's cool.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 nope, i've never mined, i still am not mining.
KRS1: like you have a reason to..haha keep doing what you do
mircea_popescu: yeah, we can't all do everything.
KRS1: wouldnt want to..im working for my retirement so i can say FU and earn a few percent in the south caribbean somewhere.
mircea_popescu: anyway, curious if we're in for a rehash of july 2010. (vertical degree of magnitude wall, i think there were two consecutive 400% increases there)
phungus: it, fels the same
phungus: feels
mircea_popescu: it does have a sort of air doesn't it
phungus: I am saying 500
phungus: then the reset
phungus: maybe that's too high
phungus: I dunno
KRS1: one would think when the btc would be 100% mined to figure that maybe?
KRS1: year or two before supply runs out?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8208 @ 0.00083564 = 6.8589 BTC [-] {2}
KRS1: $266 was fun indeed
nubbins`: i think they were talking about difficulty
KRS1: oh right 2010
nubbins`: yeah, last pasted link
nubbins`: that's a wild couple of jumps
KRS1: ;;seen chaang-noi
gribble: chaang-noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 5 days, 9 hours, 56 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <chaang-noi> TOM FORD
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.56200004 = 2.248 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: nubbins` of course one has to appreciate it was on very narrow base
nubbins`: yeah. two beers will make you the drunkest guy in an empty bar.
mircea_popescu: 7 degrees of magnitude below current levels.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1223 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: KRS1 i dunno about LorenzoMoney, he's been maligning my good name calling me a fascist science writer and stuff
KRS1: damn =/
KRS1: I met him seemed ok..thats odd.
KRS1: sorry to hear that
mircea_popescu: KRS1 you realise it's a joke, mostly.
KRS1: oh i missed that ok
KRS1: came out of nowhere
dexX7: ;;calc 1/205
gribble: 0.00487804878049
BingoBoingo: I'll just throw out it feels more like January 2013 than silk Road July (and to most people that should mean nothing, don't you cultivate your own personalized WOT's).
dub: wot
KRS1: wut
asciilifeform: for the crypto/information-theory buffs: http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html
KRS1: Score % Leader Man 3 100.00 Machine 0 0.00
KRS1: i am teh win
ThickAsThieves: ;;market buy 20000
gribble: A market order to buy 20000 bitcoins right now would take 5406287.9873 USD and would take the last price up to 493.3530 USD, resulting in an average price of 270.3144 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0068 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 73141057 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 14581346.7977 USD in total. | Data vintage: 10.6065 seconds
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cool beans
mircea_popescu: KRS1 beat it with a score > 100
asciilifeform: everybody try it on your cat. or wife. or other pets.
TomServo: what's the high score? :)
mircea_popescu: Man685.71* Machine114.29<
mike_c: that website can read my mind. super annoying.
mircea_popescu: it's not too hard to beat to shit provided you have infinite memory.
mircea_popescu: you don't, so the computer will eventually win.
mircea_popescu: (as sooner or later you begin forgetting your earlier patterns)
mircea_popescu: basically if you can't score > 50% on 100 rolls you'll never be a card counter in blackjack
asciilifeform: you can cheat by tossing a coin, say. but it's gotta be a perfectly fair coin!
mircea_popescu: anyway, this warrants a write-up
asciilifeform: the point of the exercise was to illustrate a fact.
TomServo: it does that well, I think.
mircea_popescu: sooo, in the latest installment of "libertards are owned by technology", it'd seem the uncompromised obamacare will in fact be delayed after all. because websites are hard.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But they have a dream team of engineers whose owners won't be named...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00477138 = 0.1718 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: Also managed 55.93% on 100 rolls on Ma vs. Machine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00462708 = 0.2221 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.06989999 = 0.1398 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.0698 = 0.2792 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 123 @ 0.00442712 = 0.5445 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00441 = 0.4631 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: 53.19% :(
nubbins`: oh wait. i stopped when i had 100 points
nubbins`: i misread
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 33 @ 0.0698 = 2.3034 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you toss a coin you'll get something like 1% over the machine in 1000 tries
mircea_popescu: or w/e, 0.01 in 1mn tries
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21199 @ 0.00083626 = 17.7279 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9539 @ 0.00083842 = 7.9977 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.0698 = 0.1396 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "October 24, 2013 will bring with it something that has not been heard of since 1921. The entire House and Senate, all of Capitol Hill will close for the funeral of a Representative. However unlike the 1921 Congress Closing, all members are being flown to Florida for the funeral by the United States Air Force."
mircea_popescu: if "terrorists" happen to bomb that plane...
VanCleef: my dad died as a terrorist show some respect
KRS1: haha
BingoBoingo: I'm guessing Bitcoin doesn't have an assassination market yet?
VanCleef: yeh right some fat virgin nerd is going to leave their grandmothers basement to do a hit
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, ask DRP
VanCleef: good one
VanCleef: why would they do that when they can smell their computer chair all day
ozbot: Find out just how human your girlfriend really is* pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.56160001 = 2.808 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0046 = 0.46 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: VanCleef Apocalyptic: You never know. Even the fat need exercise sometimes. Look how skinny the coke made DPR when he couldn't sell it.
mircea_popescu: coke doesn't make you skinny, it's practically sugar.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not to your metabolism.
VanCleef: i met a crackwhore the other night at a nightclub
VanCleef: its funny when they really look like a crackwhore
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25270 @ 0.00083728 = 21.1581 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: you know, people who specify CRACKwhore make me thing ladyboys are a lot more popular than i imagine.
VanCleef: very popular
VanCleef: even actual women are starting to look like ladyboys now
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, seriouslys, it's usually sugar cut. at least the upscale stuff.
BingoBoingo: Around here allegedly the contaminant is usually gypsum that was in the way of copper that needed stole.
mircea_popescu: also for that reason crack cocaine != cocaine
KRS1: very different
BingoBoingo: Well, the speed at which you can reach a decent serum concentration generally makes a difference on end effect.
mircea_popescu: that's not the whole story there. crack is significantly more toxic.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: More toxic yes, but mostly from combustion byproducts. The bicarbonates that make the crack a rock generally don't stay very benign when they burn.
mircea_popescu: also from the sudden avalanche of sodium blockers being less well tolerated by the heart
BingoBoingo: Then there's the part where lung tissue tends to atrophy in the presence of cocaine in a way it can't for nicotine since humans generally have a bunch of enzymes ready to break down cholinergics like nicotine, though not so much for cocaine.
BingoBoingo: Nicotine is the odd case in which any non-smoking route of administration can generally get more drug to the brain. For cocaine, the opiates and others the case is usually the opposite.
BingoBoingo: /me wonders where MrKlye is for this conversation
nubbins`: i've seen people add heaping spoonfuls of powdered glucosamine to bags of coke
nubbins`: anything white that won't immediately kill you, really
mircea_popescu: glucosamine isn't particularly toxic or anything
mircea_popescu: actually i think you can't even find a "food supplement" that doesn't include it.
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