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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 700 @ 0.01849458 = 12.9462 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM1] 1 @ 1.9 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: btw trades smaller than 0.1 are only in -trades from now on
freshcoin: oo thanks
freshcoin: i thought something weird was going on
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [CBTC] 50000 @ 0.00039598 = 19.799 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 7 @ 0.94287142 = 6.6001 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1498 @ 0.002526 = 3.7839 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 52 @ 0.002528 = 0.1315 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 2932 @ 0.00255471 = 7.4904 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 392 @ 0.002588 = 1.0145 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 75 @ 0.002658 = 0.1994 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 3790 @ 0.00266488 = 10.0999 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 200 @ 0.009339 = 1.8678 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [DMS.MINING] 139 @ 0.002495 = 0.3468 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 15 @ 0.009339 = 0.1401 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00092112 = 4.5595 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 3500 @ 0.0012 = 4.2 BTC [+]
gribble: 112628548.66635
mircea_popescu: ;;diffchange
gribble: Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | 16.8624 % based on data since last change | 19.86204 % based on data for last three days
ozbot: X.IDIFF.SEP has settled pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 93 @ 0.009339 = 0.8685 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 2.07485713 = 14.524 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [HIM] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: o hey. pretty cool.
benkay: it's coming
benkay: imagine the shark song from jaws
benkay: dun dun dun dun udn
benkay: dun*
benkay: "pysicists must also prove that the new geometric formulation applies to the exact particles that are known to exist in the universe, rather than to the idealized qft they used to develop it called maximally supersymmetric Yang-Mills theory. this model, which includes a "superpartner" particle (gotta look at that) and treats space-time as flat, "just happens to be the simplest test case for these new
benkay: tools"
benkay: gotcha bitch
mircea_popescu: you know this is by no means very new right ?
benkay: nah
benkay: just a neat collection of facts
benkay: well
benkay: a neat collection of math wankery to be unkind
benkay: i mention it because it references a pretty efficient way to do some aspects of modeling of quantum states
mircea_popescu: they;ve been diddling with drawing it for... 30 years ?
mircea_popescu: i guess the name is new.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 251 @ 0.10123224 = 25.4093 BTC [-] {16}
benkay: nominally the doing away with space and time as different things is new
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ET.DIFF.LONG] 533 @ 0.01199932 = 6.3956 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: does it change the idea of a Calabiâ-Yau structure to the Amplituhedron?
benkay: got me
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 600 @ 0.002666 = 1.5996 BTC [+]
benkay: wouldn't be the first time one group of braniacs came up with a new name for an old thing discovered by mathematicians
mircea_popescu: mod6 on the face of it there's a brighjt young canadian guy and his grad student that either found some shortcut in c-y or else are just repackaging it for the media buzz.
mircea_popescu: i can't immediately discern and meh, i have a bunch of other shit to do atm
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 10047 @ 0.00276554 = 27.7854 BTC [+] {19}
benkay: mp how do you know all of the things
mod6: heheh, im with you. i dont have a ton of time to compare each.
mircea_popescu: benkay it's my slaves. they teach me a ton of shit.
benkay: i need slaves
mod6: yah that, should have posted a link.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 203 @ 0.00279128 = 0.5666 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: where did you get slaves that taught you about der quantz?
mircea_popescu: at the bar!
mircea_popescu: where do you meet womenz ?
benkay: at the bar
benkay: in their offices
benkay: industry events
benkay: but but
mircea_popescu: something like that. principally by recomendation.
benkay: recommendation to them or to bars?
mircea_popescu: "dude, you gotta talk to X, she's cute/cool/knows der quantz. come by my place friday ?"
benkay: many years of doing this not in timisoara
mircea_popescu: it's tjhe internet dawg. dun matter where you are.
benkay: irc, forums, various games
benkay: tactics i suppose
benkay: i'm still mising holistic strategy
mircea_popescu: da fuck is that ?
benkay: strategy?
benkay: i'm just wondering about tactics and then saying that tactics aren't the right place to focus, strategy is, and that i have yet to wrap my head around the governing strategy that results in an army of slaves that teach you qft.
mircea_popescu: what's the hurry anyway.
benkay: well as soon as i realize i'm studying tactics i generally stop
benkay: 'cause foundations first?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [HIM] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: im not sure there's an imbalance of that kind. you can get to be a great chess player either practically, spending all your time in central park playing chess with the dudes
mircea_popescu: or theoretically, never even touching a chess table, studying graphs or w/e
mircea_popescu: matter of what suits you best i guess.
benkay: i shoot for some balance
benkay: tweak it
benkay: read a bunch
benkay: build a bunch
benkay: drink a bunch of beers with the well-capitalized
benkay: build more stuff
mircea_popescu: jhehe. dun see anything wrong with that plan.
benkay: it's slow. i'm impatient.
mircea_popescu: hence what's the hurry.
benkay: fundamental tension of my life
benkay: sales take forever to close
mircea_popescu: just relax eh.
benkay: okay :)
benkay: but only in as a joke about your long-running schtick about "shutting up and doing as one's told by one's betters"
mircea_popescu: in any case i wouldn't read too much into the happenstance that i know what c-y is. shit looks cool, it's naturally interesting to my particular mindset.
mircea_popescu: it's not the case that i know ALL OF THE THINGS to the degree i can immediately summarize any argument of any deepness in any field.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 7 @ 0.01959999 = 0.1372 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 3674 @ 0.00250842 = 9.2159 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 7794 @ 0.00244662 = 19.069 BTC [-] {24}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.0957 = 0.5742 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.0957 = 0.3828 BTC [-]
mod6: The work is â€"Very unexpected from several points of vi,," said Witten. "The field is still developing very fast, and it is difficult to guess what will happen or what the lessons will turn out to be."
mod6: *view
mod6: <3 Ed Witten
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 90 @ 0.00254659 = 0.2292 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 4000 @ 0.00272659 = 10.9064 BTC [+] {8}
mod6: ;;nethash
gribble: 966448.247171
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 258596 | Current Difficulty: 1.1262854866634709E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 260063 | Next Difficulty In: 1467 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 14 hours, 7 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 130934805.233 | Estimated Percent Change: 16.25366
ozbot: Security expert breaches NASDAQ website in just 10 minutes using only Firefox web browser | Mail On
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.047 = 6.141 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: apparently not just people are getting fatter. ursides and rodents too.
mod6: he notified NASDAQ of the vulnerability multiple times only to be ignored.
mod6: bah.
mod6: i like that part :>
mircea_popescu: hehe. yeah.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly,
mircea_popescu: "There is no likelihood man can ever tap the power of the atom. The glib supposition of utilizing atomic energy when our coal has run out is a completely unscientific Utopian dream, a childish bug-a-boo. Nature has introduced a few fool-proof devices into the great majority of elements that constitute the bulk of the world, and they have no energy to give up in the process of disintegration."
mircea_popescu: milikan :D
mod6: haha
mircea_popescu: "any one who expects a source of power from the transformation of these atoms is talking moonshine"
mircea_popescu: rutherford.
mircea_popescu: i guess that's how far "scientific consensus" goes.
mircea_popescu: cca 1920 it was the scientific consensus that we will never have nuclear reactors.
mod6: i guess "scientific consensus" usually prohibits its constituants to dream and imagine.
mircea_popescu: this is fact. as explained by kuhn et all, scientific endeavour is impossible absent some sort of paradigm.
mircea_popescu: you gotta throw out large swathes of "possibilities" in order to be able to do something useful.
mircea_popescu: which reminds me : "Production of useful work is limited by the laws of thermodynamics, but the production of useless work seems to be unlimited."
mod6: haha.
mod6: ya
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 75 @ 0.00680364 = 0.5103 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 500 @ 0.0068 = 3.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.01894333 = 0.2273 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.0755 = 4.151 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 554 @ 0.00611484 = 3.3876 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.076 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 67 @ 0.01929313 = 1.2926 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00092303 = 14.1685 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.047 = 4.094 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 200 @ 0.00262 = 0.524 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 500 @ 0.00119931 = 0.5997 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.076 = 6.228 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.076 = 4.152 BTC [+]
Ukyo: mircea_popescu there? :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.077 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Ukyo sup ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 159 @ 0.00254646 = 0.4049 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 73 @ 0.0193 = 1.4089 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [DMS.MINING] 331 @ 0.00240891 = 0.7973 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.1069 = 0.5345 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2095 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [DMS.MINING] 135 @ 0.002404 = 0.3245 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.1069 = 0.3207 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.1069 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [RSM] 25 @ 0.006985 = 0.1746 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.1069 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.9388 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 54 @ 0.0024895 = 0.1344 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 41 @ 0.0025 = 0.1025 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ET.DIFF.LONG] 42 @ 0.012 = 0.504 BTC [+]
donjon: what does that [S] means?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 40 @ 0.01891 = 0.7564 BTC [-]
Ukyo: Sell
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.047 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: nah stocks
mircea_popescu: theres Stocks, Bonds, FuNds and Options
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.048 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 92 @ 0.01903869 = 1.7516 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.0193 = 0.2702 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.17782 = 0.8891 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.046 = 4.092 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 15 @ 0.01959 = 0.2939 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 10 @ 0.01959999 = 0.196 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ET.DIFF.FUTURE] 66 @ 0.0204 = 1.3464 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 27 @ 2.07725924 = 56.086 BTC [+] {6}
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 140.20000, Best ask: 140.22222, Bid-ask spread: 0.02222, Last trade: 140.20002, 24 hour volume: 8117.91543560, 24 hour low: 138.00000, 24 hour high: 141.37000, 24 hour vwap: 139.68358
ThickerThanThiev: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 130005769.69 based on data since last change | 130659076.677 based on data for last three days
ThickerThanThiev: ;;nethash
gribble: 935308.373764
ThickerThanThiev: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 258625 | Current Difficulty: 1.1262854866634709E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 260063 | Next Difficulty In: 1438 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 14 hours, 4 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 130005769.69 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.42879
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.046 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 55 @ 0.002585 = 0.1422 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 74 @ 0.00258815 = 0.1915 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 76 @ 0.00262406 = 0.1994 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ET.DIFF.FUTURE] 10 @ 0.0204 = 0.204 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.73006100 BTC to 1`460`122 shares, 50 satoshi per share
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.01888 = 0.5286 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 657 @ 0.002545 = 1.6721 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 336 @ 0.002566 = 0.8622 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 295 @ 0.002562 = 0.7558 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 73 @ 0.002563 = 0.1871 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 259 @ 0.002561 = 0.6633 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 3 @ 0.0995 = 0.2985 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 227 @ 0.002561 = 0.5813 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 56 @ 0.002565 = 0.1436 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ET.DIFF.LONG] 10 @ 0.01002 = 0.1002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [LABCO] 90 @ 0.00222 = 0.1998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 199 @ 0.002562 = 0.5098 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1014 @ 0.0012 = 1.2168 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 35 @ 0.10937142 = 3.828 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1587 @ 0.00126258 = 2.0037 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.079 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.08 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0194999 = 0.3705 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 414 @ 0.00253216 = 1.0483 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 300 @ 0.00264377 = 0.7931 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 899 @ 0.01878908 = 16.8914 BTC [-] {15}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 6 @ 0.0188 = 0.1128 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.1259 = 0.8813 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.1259 = 0.2518 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: Early bidding is now open for NEOBEE on BitFunder https://bitfunder.com/asset/NEOBEE
ThickAsThieves: The IPVO begins on September 20th at 17:00 UTC
Rulother: time to spend some money
thestringpuller: IPVO is dumb
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: why you scammin' us
thestringpuller: you the next Aethero?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 54 @ 0.00255555 = 0.138 BTC [-] {2}
AndChat|52500: Will be interesting to see how it plays out
AndChat|52500: I don't. Like the whole "buy this shit you don't want or you have no chance of buying that shit you do want"
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 3000 @ 0.002566 = 7.698 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: You misunderstand something then
ThickAsThieves: as no one is asking you to buy anything you don't want
ThickAsThieves: the IPVO is quite the opposite
AndChat|52500: Hope so, don't I need to buy xbond to take part in the pre-chosen sale?
ThickAsThieves: being that it is made available on 3 exchanges from the start
ThickAsThieves: and all allowing pre-bidding
AndChat|52500: *pre ipo
ThickAsThieves: the pre-ipvo is meant to be an opportunity for XBOND holders, not a solicitation to buy XBOND at market
AndChat|52500: Talking about havelock
ThickAsThieves: if you choose to buy it at market in order to buy during the Pre-IPVO round, so be it
ThickAsThieves: but you certainly do not have to
AndChat|52500: So with IPOs selling out in minutes, I don't expect anything to be left by the time the IPO starys
ThickAsThieves: First, it's an IPVO ;)
ThickAsThieves: Second, just because some sell out in minutes, doesn't guarantee this one will
ThickAsThieves: Third, early bidding is open, if you are concerned about your place in line, you can make an early order
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 78 @ 0.00258092 = 0.2013 BTC [+] {3}
AndChat|52500: No man, I'm not saying it won't work for some, and definitely you can set it up however you like.
AndChat|52500: Just saying it sounds more like tied selling than I like. But of course we're entirely unregulated here.
ThickAsThieves: Tied selling is the reverse
ThickAsThieves: there is no requirement to buy either product in order to get the other
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 2.08686665 = 31.303 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.096 BTC [+]
AndChat|52500: Not a hard and fast rule, but we all see how fast these offerings can sell out.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 2.0968 = 10.484 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Exactly one offering of this size has existed in recent memory
ThickAsThieves: BTC GArden
ThickAsThieves: and those buys are suspected to have been part of a marketing scheme and then refunded
ThickAsThieves: I forget, but IceDrill maybe have been similar size, but that took days to fill, and was filled largely by post-IPO private buys
ThickAsThieves: which people also questioned
ThickAsThieves: My point being that your premise is false
ThickAsThieves: "we all see how fast these offerings can sell out."
ThickAsThieves: and "with IPOs selling out in minutes, I don't expect anything to be left by the time the IPO starys"
ThickAsThieves: Of course, the premise being false doesn't predicate it from happening
AndChat|52500: No I'm more interested in seeing how it plays out as I think this could be the start of a trend.
thestringpuller: depemds on hoe legit the business is
thestringpuller: and if it faoils or not in its first quarter
AndChat|52500: This time only 500K shares, if it works I'd expect to see more offerings done this way.
AndChat|52500: Until "you can't touch B unless your holding A" becomes the norm.
thestringpuller: AndChat|52500: i think the new trend is ipos exostong before the business is operational
AndChat|52500: I'll be quite happy to be dead wrong. Just expressing a concern.
ThickAsThieves: 52500, again your premise is false
ThickAsThieves: there is no tied selling here
AndChat|52500: Hope so.
ThickAsThieves: a trend would have to exist
ThickAsThieves: for it to continue
thestringpuller: ipoa npre-operating busibess
ThickAsThieves: You might find life more enjoyable to not paint all things in false negative light
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 344 @ 0.00252885 = 0.8699 BTC [-] {3}
imsaguy: ThickAsThieves: but communists!
lewicki: tat: In the case of undersubscription what would happen to unsold shares?
ThickAsThieves: thestringpuller, bitcoin IPVOs as funding is not new trend, it is the vast majority of offerings, no?
imsaguy: One of the largest IPVOs really didn't exist before the IPVO
imsaguy: (asicminer)
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 528 @ 0.002527 = 1.3343 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 70 @ 0.01860256 = 1.3022 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: lewicki, shares will remain on the market until all are sold
ThickAsThieves: (all 8m)
ThickAsThieves: to be specific, from the NEOBEE prospectus:
ThickAsThieves: "A failure to raise 9500 BTC by Saturday 30th November would constitute a failed IPVO,
ThickAsThieves: with all proceeds being returned to shareholders"
ThickAsThieves: otherwise the shares will remain up for sale
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 500 @ 0.002567 = 1.2835 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: kakobrekla or mircea_popescu, shouldn't this bet have resolved Yes? http://bitbet.us/bet/460/mt-gox-to-have-50-trade-volume/ There were multiple days where Gox had less than 50%.
kakobrekla: (USD+EUR+JPY+GBP+CAD+AUD) dipped below 50?
ThickAsThieves: lemme see, i was, as an american, of course only looking at USD
ThickAsThieves: is there even a historical chart for this?
thestringpuller: bitcoincharts.com
ThickAsThieves: for total volume?
ThickAsThieves: please link directly
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 20 @ 0.009339 = 0.1868 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 21 @ 0.0194999 = 0.4095 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: kakobrekla, I can't find any chart to verify, closest I'm aware of is here: http://bitcoinity.org/markets/list?currency=ALL&span=30d
ThickAsThieves: obv not good enough to verify
kakobrekla: seems above 50 :)
ThickAsThieves: it's a 30d avg
ThickAsThieves: so kind auseless
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [DMS.MINING] 1217 @ 0.00240325 = 2.9248 BTC [-] {8}
ThickAsThieves: someone would have had to watch the daily chart all day, to verify the bet
ThickAsThieves: kinda shitty source
kakobrekla: talk to mp if you have a complaint in regards to bet resolvment
ThickAsThieves: unless someone has the data to parse
ThickAsThieves: bitcoinity obv has the data
ThickAsThieves: but they werent called out in the bet
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 90 @ 0.0026 = 0.234 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [DMS.MINING] 63 @ 0.00235 = 0.1481 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.045 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 1000 @ 0.0069966 = 6.9966 BTC [+] {5}
ThickAsThieves: what's [FN]?
ThickAsThieves: ah, was assuming that was Sell Buy etc
ThickAsThieves: so it's categories
VanCleef: am div data in yet?
ThickAsThieves: kakobrekla, mircea_popescu - Here you can see Gox had less than 50% on 8/28 http://data.bitcoinity.org/#caaaaadgaa
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 200 @ 0.00252 = 0.504 BTC [-]
ozbot: My Daughter, naming "S" words in her homeschool class - Imgur
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1300 @ 0.00264061 = 3.4328 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 700 @ 0.00271236 = 1.8987 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 500 @ 0.00274743 = 1.3737 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1600 @ 0.00274904 = 4.3985 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 2611 @ 0.00279137 = 7.2883 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 160 @ 0.0028 = 0.448 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 190 @ 0.0028 = 0.532 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 6 @ 0.0194999 = 0.117 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.00281 = 0.281 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 728 @ 0.00282572 = 2.0571 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 5007 @ 0.00282403 = 14.1399 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: hello
nubbins`: ;;seen chaang-noi
gribble: chaang-noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 22 hours, 58 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <chaang-noi> TOM FORD
nubbins`: well who am i supposed to talk with about coins now?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 13000 @ 0.002824 = 36.712 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 36 @ 0.00695 = 0.2502 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 108 @ 0.006999 = 0.7559 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 258658 | Current Difficulty: 1.1262854866634709E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 260063 | Next Difficulty In: 1405 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 7 hours, 18 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 130857193.08 | Estimated Percent Change: 16.18475
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.045 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [SDSTM] 70 @ 0.00249999 = 0.175 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [LABCO] 410 @ 0.00222 = 0.9102 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 2500 @ 0.00286776 = 7.1694 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [PETA-MINE] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 175 @ 0.006999 = 1.2248 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 350 @ 0.002896 = 1.0136 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 2.0454 = 20.454 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 42 @ 0.002893 = 0.1215 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.043 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 62 @ 0.019 = 1.178 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.04233333 = 6.127 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 32 @ 0.01879 = 0.6013 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 2.04116666 = 12.247 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 27 @ 2.03585183 = 54.968 BTC [-] {8}
dexX7: are there any am news?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.072 = 6.216 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 125 @ 0.01923551 = 2.4044 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: turns out it was all a scam
nubbins`: no hardware
nubbins`: usb erupts were faking hashing
dexX7: sure
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 51 @ 2.02860783 = 103.459 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 762 @ 0.0192623 = 14.6779 BTC [+] {13}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 2.021 = 12.126 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 34 @ 0.019 = 0.646 BTC [-]
nubbins`: man, royal bank has some dummies on the phone today
nubbins`: i called about safety deposit boxes, guy says "uhh.. we have some", puts me on hold while he checks for sizes/prices
nubbins`: comes back, says they range from $40 to $425 per year
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 2.00756664 = 60.227 BTC [-] {10}
nubbins`: i say "what size is the $40 box", he has no idea
nubbins`: suggests i visit the branch
dexX7: ;;getrating nubbins`
dexX7: ;;gettrust nubbins`
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask nubbins`!~nubbins`@stjhnf0148w-142134193006.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.nl.bellaliant.net. Trust relationship from user dexX7 to user nubbins`: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=dexX7&dest=nubbins` | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins` | Rated since: never
dexX7: meh k
nubbins`: save you the time
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 41 @ 2.00134144 = 82.055 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.018827 = 0.1883 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: none of those people i sold coins to bothered to rate me
dexX7: otherwise i would have asked you to rate me, so i could rate you ... for the t-shirt groupbuy back in the days ;)
nubbins`: oh, ha! that's right!
nubbins`: i'm printing some tees for a local band later today
dexX7: nice
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 2 = 40 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 379 @ 0.00289292 = 1.0964 BTC [+] {2}
dexX7: i like the quality
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 12 @ 1.9925 = 23.91 BTC [-] {4}
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: robot tetris!
dexX7: cool
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 39 @ 1.92723072 = 75.162 BTC [-] {17}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 812 @ 0.00289423 = 2.3501 BTC [+] {2}
Rulother: Thats nice
nubbins`: did some posters yesterday
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: same band
dexX7: haha that one
dexX7: are you doing this as hobby?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.8615 = 7.446 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [DMS.MINING] 400 @ 0.00233092 = 0.9324 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: this is my full-time job
dexX7: oh okay
dexX7: nice :)
nubbins`: i gave up a lucrative java development job at an insurance company 7 months ago to do this
dexX7: really?
dexX7: is it worth it?
nubbins`: my stress level is 0 most days
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 86 @ 0.01890627 = 1.6259 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: compared to 10+ back when i worked in a fabric-covered box
dexX7: hehe
nubbins`: bosses weren't super pleased, but hey
nubbins`: gotta stay true to yourself
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 541 @ 0.01887659 = 10.2122 BTC [-] {2}
dexX7: it's a great thing to do what pleases you
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: i taught my wife how to do all this stuff too
nubbins`: she ended up quitting her job in retail, going to art school, now she does this for a living too
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 140 @ 0.01872899 = 2.6221 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 1674 @ 0.00251679 = 4.2131 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.861 BTC [-]
dexX7: wow.. i didn't expect you could ditch two "real" jobs for t-shirt design/printing
nubbins`: she's got a contract designing art for S.MG's new game
nubbins`: well, we don't live the same cushy lives we used to
nubbins`: but much happier overall
dexX7: that's much more worth
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: i just used to blow all my money on restaurants and dope anyway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM1] 9 @ 1.82255555 = 16.403 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: so the cut in pay wasn't a huge adjustment
nubbins`: just eat at home more
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 599 @ 0.0180905 = 10.8362 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 396 @ 0.01845187 = 7.3069 BTC [-] {18}
nubbins`: hmm @ AM share price
nubbins`: i guess it's another low dividend this week
Rulother: .0012xx
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 154 @ 0.002523 = 0.3885 BTC [+]
nubbins`: 0.00967485
ll: .00967485
nubbins`: benefits of buying early
nubbins`: no panic
topace: heh 30+% annual return at 2btc/share is still pretty good :p
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [CBTC] 2100 @ 0.00040075 = 0.8416 BTC [-] {2}
matuszed: it was a 30% return at 3.0 too
matuszed: just syaing
topace: yup
matuszed: the BTC effective yield has been steadily going down with the price
matuszed: seems like 30%
matuszed: is the premium demanded
nubbins`: i remember at one point havelock was showing 114% return
nubbins`: ah, those were the days
nubbins`: in the meantime, my iceberg/whale coins arrived
ozbot: $20 for $20 Fine Silver Coin - Iceberg and Whale (2013)
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 4299 @ 0.00275009 = 11.8226 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [CBTC] 4700 @ 0.0004 = 1.88 BTC [-]
topace: nubbins`: whtas the silver weight?
nubbins`: 1/4oz
topace: heh
topace: im into the 10oz silver bars lately :p
nubbins`: pricey for bullion, but essentially a 1:1 trade for face value
topace: yea but you'd never hand that over at a store to buy something
nubbins`: 10oz must be a nice size
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1200 @ 0.00289773 = 3.4773 BTC [+] {4}
nubbins`: topace: well, why not? :P
nubbins`: i paid $20 for it ;)
nubbins`: anyway, it's a great way to buy silver because there's no way you could lose money
topace: [tm]
nubbins`: it'll always be at least what you paid for it, regardless of spot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [LABCO] 635 @ 0.0023959 = 1.5214 BTC [+] {3}
topace: i suppose
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [LABCO] 120 @ 0.0024 = 0.288 BTC [+]
nubbins`: pulled the trigger on one of those polar bear gold coins earlier today
ozbot: Pure Gold Coin - Polar Bear - Mintage: 600 (2013)
nubbins`: 99.999% pure!
nubbins`: five nines!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 10 @ 0.01915 = 0.1915 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.88566666 = 5.657 BTC [+] {2}
Rulother: That shirt, I've never heard of them but I want that shirt lol
Duffer1: oo am at 1.8 tempting
assbot: [MPEX] [S] [S.MPOE] 3677 @ 0.00091399 = 3.3607 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 700 @ 0.00285846 = 2.0009 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: Rulother: that design's got a partridge family kinda vibe, hey?
Rulother: yeah I can feel it
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 350 @ 0.009322 = 3.2627 BTC [-]
nubbins`: fun band
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.88022222 = 16.922 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 300 @ 0.00270721 = 0.8122 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: oops, low battery
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.882 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1934 @ 0.002701 = 5.2237 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.872 = 3.744 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 55 @ 0.01602662 = 0.8815 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.0186 = 0.558 BTC [-]
nubbins`: {7} = ?
zoinky: 7 orders
kakobrekla: lotto number for fucks sake
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 90 @ 0.01918722 = 1.7268 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [LABCO] 40 @ 0.00284899 = 0.114 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 47 @ 0.01811106 = 0.8512 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [LABCO] 203 @ 0.00286918 = 0.5824 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 222 @ 0.00260414 = 0.5781 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 130 @ 0.0026041 = 0.3385 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1762 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.00261 = 0.261 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [CBTC] 60000 @ 0.00039174 = 23.5044 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BMF] 19 @ 0.03202 = 0.6084 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BMF] 5 @ 0.0322 = 0.161 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.002607 = 5.214 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1000 @ 0.00260346 = 2.6035 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 365 @ 0.002603 = 0.9501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.881 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 2650 @ 0.00260009 = 6.8902 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1641 @ 0.00257369 = 4.2234 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.01863 = 0.2236 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 70 @ 0.0026 = 0.182 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.0026 = 0.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.882 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.881 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
gribble: 930177.747732
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 258676 | Current Difficulty: 1.1262854866634709E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 260063 | Next Difficulty In: 1387 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 3 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 131616366.712 | Estimated Percent Change: 16.8588
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.881 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.87777777 = 16.9 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.874 = 11.244 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 14 @ 1.873 = 26.222 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.87025 = 7.481 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 10 @ 0.88837 = 8.8837 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.866 = 11.196 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.8654 = 9.327 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.861 = 7.444 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01815 = 0.1815 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.861 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.861 = 3.722 BTC [-] {2}
Rulother: so where shall the AM bottom out today
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 52 @ 1.85103846 = 96.254 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01786 = 0.1786 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 145 @ 0.01778724 = 2.5791 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 11.00997930 BTC to 1`138 shares, 967485 satoshi per share
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.1239 = 0.6195 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.01753571 = 0.1227 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Cyanide & Happiness #3063 - Explosm.net
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 43 @ 0.0175 = 0.7525 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.124 = 0.248 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 23.04744351 BTC to 250`761 shares, 9191 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S] [S.MPOE] 12978 @ 0.00091399 = 11.8618 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.85 = 5.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 22 @ 0.0174 = 0.3828 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.803 = 5.409 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.802 = 18.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.8 = 7.2 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 13 @ 1.782 = 23.166 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.77 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 641 @ 0.00251581 = 1.6126 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1148 @ 0.00236304 = 2.7128 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.75 = 5.25 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 22 @ 1.73136363 = 38.09 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 1318 @ 0.00699497 = 9.2194 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 13 @ 1.70246153 = 22.132 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.94 = 9.7 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01631579 = 0.8158 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 178 @ 0.01677886 = 2.9866 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.69 = 5.07 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.689 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 3460 @ 0.00235639 = 8.1531 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.683 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 830 @ 0.00670123 = 5.562 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 2027 @ 0.0023544 = 4.7724 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.685 = 5.055 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.124 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.124 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.68466666 = 5.054 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [CBTC] 725 @ 0.000445 = 0.3226 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0171 = 0.171 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 37 @ 0.01642 = 0.6075 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.69257142 = 11.848 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0164 = 0.164 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.0164 = 0.82 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 37 @ 0.01635 = 0.605 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM1] 3 @ 1.79503333 = 5.3851 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0175 = 0.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 102 @ 0.01635 = 1.6677 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.809 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000445 = 0.445 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [CIPHERMINE-PT] 7 @ 0.05295 = 0.3707 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 320 @ 0.00133 = 0.4256 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 140 @ 0.00237909 = 0.3331 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.681 = 3.362 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [CIPHERMINE-PT] 11 @ 0.05399 = 0.5939 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 606 @ 0.00235376 = 1.4264 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.681 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 287 @ 0.002354 = 0.6756 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.68 = 6.72 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.681 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.681 = 8.405 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1144 @ 0.002562 = 2.9309 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.681 BTC [+]
johngalt: AttributeError: OutputRedirect instance has no attribute 'flush' (file "/app/Coinflow/irc/billy.py", line 107, in note)
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 3985 @ 0.00267924 = 10.6768 BTC [+] {15}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.755 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 35 @ 1.64297142 = 57.504 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 9 @ 0.0183 = 0.1647 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.01658 = 0.5969 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.0165819 = 0.3482 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 27 @ 0.01655 = 0.4469 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.01643 = 0.4929 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 39 @ 0.01633076 = 0.6369 BTC [-] {4}
moose-hacker: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 258689 | Current Difficulty: 1.1262854866634709E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 260063 | Next Difficulty In: 1374 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 10 hours, 18 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 131931239.436 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.13836
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.669 = 3.338 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.67 = 3.34 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 141.01500, Best ask: 141.99122, Bid-ask spread: 0.97622, Last trade: 141.99122, 24 hour volume: 7786.76066710, 24 hour low: 139.01001, 24 hour high: 142.00000, 24 hour vwap: 140.10724
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.64 = 14.76 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 21 @ 1.6382857 = 34.404 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.6935 = 3.387 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [SMG] 660 @ 0.0001736 = 0.1146 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.637 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.6355 = 3.271 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 86 @ 0.01620534 = 1.3937 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.67875 = 6.715 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [COGNITIVE] 18 @ 0.17525555 = 3.1546 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.6392 = 8.196 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LTC-ATF.B2] 100 @ 0.010529 = 1.0529 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 840 @ 0.00251498 = 2.1126 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.136 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 36 @ 0.0177 = 0.6372 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [CIPHERMINE-PT] 7 @ 0.054 = 0.378 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01681 = 0.1681 BTC [+]
jurov: http://trilema.com/2013/the-sanity-dogma/ gets too funny for mircea, sent teh girl
ozbot: The sanity “dogma”. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.669 = 5.007 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.6595 = 3.319 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [CBTC] 250 @ 0.00044499 = 0.1112 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM1] 1 @ 1.749 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1215 @ 0.0023608 = 2.8684 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 72 @ 0.0175 = 1.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 989 @ 0.00235741 = 2.3315 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 112 @ 0.01684357 = 1.8865 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.697 = 5.091 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 600 @ 0.00235738 = 1.4144 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: Hey Mr. jurov
thestringpuller: jurov-mon
thestringpuller: Can you audit something for me?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 244 @ 0.01681184 = 4.1021 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.697 BTC [+]
jurov: audit?
jurov: yes, i'm curious
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1614 @ 0.00235795 = 3.8057 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 591 @ 0.002357 = 1.393 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.69466666 = 5.084 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [CIPHERMINE-PT] 17 @ 0.054 = 0.918 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 12443 @ 0.00229681 = 28.5792 BTC [-] {20}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 20180 @ 0.00222955 = 44.9923 BTC [-] {19}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.694 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 20165 @ 0.00218463 = 44.0531 BTC [-] {34}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 2054 @ 0.00224364 = 4.6084 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 5039 @ 0.00266821 = 13.4451 BTC [+] {20}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 4933 @ 0.00277897 = 13.7087 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 16852 @ 0.00256036 = 43.1472 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 6 @ 0.01749999 = 0.105 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 5291 @ 0.00259843 = 13.7483 BTC [+] {13}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 3814 @ 0.00219344 = 8.3658 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.01748 = 0.3146 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 2352 @ 0.00217108 = 5.1064 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 124 @ 0.0021164 = 0.2624 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1993 @ 0.00209436 = 4.1741 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 276 @ 0.00211969 = 0.585 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 9449 @ 0.00208337 = 19.6858 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 45649 @ 0.00203855 = 93.0578 BTC [-] {17}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM1] 1 @ 1.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.00202295 = 0.2023 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM1] 2 @ 1.75 = 3.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.78119999 = 8.906 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.799 = 3.598 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 25 @ 0.006836 = 0.1709 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 5195 @ 0.0020238 = 10.5136 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [DMS.MINING] 49 @ 0.002484 = 0.1217 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 2701 @ 0.00209675 = 5.6633 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1400 @ 0.0022945 = 3.2123 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.862 = 3.724 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.7 = 5.1 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.69133333 = 5.074 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 4000 @ 0.00250514 = 10.0206 BTC [+] {13}
benkay: does anyone have experience with the collateralization of options on btctc?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [PETA-MINE] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01674 = 0.4185 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 60 @ 0.01671366 = 1.0028 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 2001 @ 0.00238999 = 4.7824 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 66 @ 0.01671 = 1.1029 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.846 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.1247 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.002394 = 0.2394 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 390 @ 0.00250224 = 0.9759 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.01671 = 0.3843 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 66 @ 0.00238633 = 0.1575 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 45 @ 0.01797 = 0.8087 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ET.DIFF.LONG] 10 @ 0.0115 = 0.115 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1400 @ 0.00251394 = 3.5195 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 4168 @ 0.00258205 = 10.762 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01794 = 0.1794 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.78666666 = 5.36 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 18 @ 0.01738998 = 0.313 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [VTX] 1 @ 0.589 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [DMS.MINING] 80 @ 0.00233872 = 0.1871 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 2040 @ 0.0022935 = 4.6787 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1929 @ 0.00226025 = 4.36 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 94 @ 0.002252 = 0.2117 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 301 @ 0.00255683 = 0.7696 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 10 @ 0.01738999 = 0.1739 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 534 @ 0.00250091 = 1.3355 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 22 @ 1.80904544 = 39.799 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 258 @ 0.00132899 = 0.3429 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 250 @ 0.0025424 = 0.6356 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 90 @ 0.001329 = 0.1196 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 3251 @ 0.00255557 = 8.3082 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 910 @ 0.00257978 = 2.3476 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 550 @ 0.00259357 = 1.4265 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.849 = 5.547 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00091755 = 5.8723 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0171 = 0.171 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 99 @ 0.01734454 = 1.7171 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S] [S.BBET] 5000 @ 0.00059999 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.849 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 62 @ 0.00255922 = 0.1587 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.849 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01734 = 0.867 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 350 @ 0.00259076 = 0.9068 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 7 @ 0.01738999 = 0.1217 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 3180 @ 0.00259309 = 8.246 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 98 @ 0.01799326 = 1.7633 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.01838 = 0.533 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.01839 = 0.3862 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.1239 = 0.3717 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01838 = 0.4595 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.1239 = 0.2478 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01838 = 0.2389 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 5000 @ 0.00227186 = 11.3593 BTC [-] {24}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [DMS.MINING] 172 @ 0.002399 = 0.4126 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 48 @ 1.8 = 86.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM1] 7 @ 1.75 = 12.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.77 = 7.08 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 8445 @ 0.00225108 = 19.0104 BTC [-] {16}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 241 @ 0.0022 = 0.5302 BTC [-]
Ukyo: that 58,190 volume shown on http://kryptotrader.com/api/securities.php?site=BTCT&query=LABCOIN is that 30day trade volume?
pankkake: I'm yellow!
ThickAsThieves: Ukyo, I'd not be surprised
ThickAsThieves: it trades a lot
ThickAsThieves: up and down and up and down
Ukyo: thats a little more than btct's 95,000 30day volume.
Ukyo: er half
Ukyo: more than half heh
Duffer1: Ukyo what'r your thoughts on labcoin?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [HIM] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [+]
Ukyo: I've made a few posts in the threads. I don't see why they can't list the address used for mining up to now unless they plan to hide and keep the coins
ThickAsThieves: theyve been hiding shit since day 1
zoinky: i dont think they thought things out, if they pay dividends people will follow the coins and see if they were really freshly mined
ThickAsThieves: if they cared to prove anything, theyd hop on a pool and take some pics of their miners
Duffer1: i don't see how they can hide the coins though, unless they send what's mined through a mixer... then their stock would crash to zero if they tried that
zoinky: wasnt one of the answers to their early FAQ that they planned to use IPO funds to pay the first dividends?
ThickAsThieves: the coins get washed just by importing to BTCT
ThickAsThieves: paying divs wont prove anything
Duffer1: they posted an "official" address TaT
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.14499999 BTC [+]
zoinky: did they?
ThickAsThieves: i'm referring to zoinky's comment about tracing divs
ThickAsThieves: you cant
Ukyo: by hiding coins
Ukyo: i meant keep them
Ukyo: otherwise, why not say 'this is where our mined coins have been going'
Ukyo: I have some ipo shares
zoinky: i wasnt sure how well btct mixes
Ukyo: so i would behappy to see it work ot
ThickAsThieves: its a scam obv
ThickAsThieves: theyve had so many opportunities to prove otherwise
ThickAsThieves: they probably intended to use avalon chips or something
ThickAsThieves: then that plan fell apart
Ukyo: unless they are tryig to cause the price to stay down to buy back
Ukyo: fter selling off at 2x the price
ThickAsThieves: the world over is asking themselves "how can i short mining:
ThickAsThieves: not "how can i assume all my mining risk?"
ThickAsThieves: this is the essence of group buys and pre-orders
ThickAsThieves: and the essence of mining ipo's mostly
ThickAsThieves: passing on the risk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [HIM] 40 @ 0.18 = 7.2 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.0023006 = 0.2301 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [HIM] 55 @ 0.18 = 9.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1220 @ 0.00231695 = 2.8267 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1218 @ 0.00231701 = 2.8221 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 4500 @ 0.00219731 = 9.8879 BTC [-] {17}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 39465 @ 0.00212566 = 83.8892 BTC [-] {20}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.8522 = 9.261 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.0179208 = 0.448 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01784199 = 0.1784 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 286 @ 0.00225608 = 0.6452 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 60 @ 0.01709166 = 1.0255 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.872 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [PETA-MINE] 1 @ 0.646 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.12417999 = 0.6209 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 24 @ 0.01765458 = 0.4237 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 66 @ 0.00231366 = 0.1527 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [RSM] 178 @ 0.00703784 = 1.2527 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [RSM] 26 @ 0.00692688 = 0.1801 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 3094 @ 0.00210591 = 6.5157 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [RSM] 22 @ 0.00675372 = 0.1486 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 2038 @ 0.00229235 = 4.6718 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 130 @ 0.0025374 = 0.3299 BTC [-] {2}
Urushiol: who manages [DISCOVERY]?
Urushiol: i.e what experience does the management actually have?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 2155 @ 0.00250518 = 5.3987 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 462 @ 0.0023 = 1.0626 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1392 @ 0.00231815 = 3.2269 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 1000 @ 0.009322 = 9.322 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 132 @ 0.0023365 = 0.3084 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.8032 = 18.032 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 46 @ 0.0023115 = 0.1063 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.805 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 840 @ 0.00232966 = 1.9569 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 4036 @ 0.00244523 = 9.8689 BTC [+] {21}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 191 @ 0.0025 = 0.4775 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 2891 @ 0.00255972 = 7.4002 BTC [+] {12}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1200 @ 0.00255 = 3.06 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 300 @ 0.00255 = 0.765 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 9 @ 0.0175 = 0.1575 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [COGNITIVE] 11 @ 0.1621818 = 1.784 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.01704 = 0.2386 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1000 @ 0.00265123 = 2.6512 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1800 @ 0.00269357 = 4.8484 BTC [+] {5}
VanCleef: so friedcat has bailed for good yeh? Or never really existed
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.15582856 = 1.0908 BTC [-] {4}
Urushiol: based on what?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1266 @ 0.002695 = 3.4119 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 900 @ 0.002744 = 2.4696 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.16 = 0.64 BTC [+]
Urushiol: I'm jealous of your supporter mask, MP
Urushiol: cloak, rather
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 17453 @ 0.00277579 = 48.4459 BTC [+] {17}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 240 @ 0.00274 = 0.6576 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 229 @ 0.00273997 = 0.6275 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: whyssat ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.1552 = 0.3104 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: does MPEX have historical trade data accessible via API?
mircea_popescu: via assbot, for instance.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1190 @ 0.00279347 = 3.3242 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: looking for the real thing i mean
ThickAsThieves: something reliable
Ukyo: mircea_popescu: assbot appears to sum trades together now :)
ThickAsThieves: I appeciate that feature actually
ThickAsThieves: but it compromises other things
ThickAsThieves: thanks kako!
mircea_popescu: Ukyo i think that's a display thing
Ukyo: ah
Ukyo: btw, it appears the labcoin address has had a deposit of some 3.x btc from slush's pool
ThickAsThieves: Ukyo i'ma be bugging you next!
ThickAsThieves: where's the for real API
Ukyo: ThickAsThieves: I have an app for that.
ThickAsThieves: I need all your dataz
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves other than that i've not yet made a data feed. waiting for a company to offer to do this, and convince me that it has a market above and beyond assbot.
ThickAsThieves: nah not an app
ThickAsThieves: mp I will be in touch sooner or later on that then
Ukyo: but... "It' has the wifi's and the GBs"
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 932 @ 0.00262815 = 2.4494 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu, in case you didnt parse the conv from earlier today,
ThickAsThieves: I need to put on my Annoying BitBet Customer Hat
ThickAsThieves: looking at 8/28/13
mircea_popescu: you have to use the link indicated in the bet tho.
ThickAsThieves: the bet link is dynamic
ThickAsThieves: which means at some point
ThickAsThieves: it would hav eproven the same
ThickAsThieves: just needed to be looking in the right day
mircea_popescu: not necessarily.
assbot: [MPEX] [S] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00091747 = 13.3492 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: how does BitBet know it was false?
mircea_popescu: your link currently reads for me " Something went terribly wrong"
ThickAsThieves: it checked every day?
mircea_popescu: anyway, does it include all the markets ?
ThickAsThieves: it includes enough data to show that any more added markets would only make it more right
ThickAsThieves: maybe you need javascript?
mircea_popescu: i don't follow that reasoning too well. but anyway : absent someone with a screenshot of the proper link, there's no basis to contest the bet.
ThickAsThieves: there's no basis to say it was false
nubbins`: there's no basis to say anything
mircea_popescu: bitbet does not need to show basis.
nubbins`: zing
mircea_popescu: you need to show basis if you wish to disagree.
ThickAsThieves: it needs to use data to decide
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [HIM] 5 @ 0.18998 = 0.9499 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 2 = 10 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: if i were to get historical data from bitcoincharts.org and it showed it was true
nubbins`: i'm kinda surprised at HIM's price
ThickAsThieves: would you then fix the issue?
mircea_popescu: then you'd have a pretty good leg to stand on.
mircea_popescu: unless there was some flaw in it. in case you're wondering btw, this has happened in the past
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 7 @ 0.0175 = 0.1225 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 3270 @ 0.00271259 = 8.8702 BTC [+] {5}
nubbins`: seems like they're sitting on a bunch of mining hardware with very little prospect of roi
ozbot: The anatomy of a disaster pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
nubbins`: 0.01 btc minimum? paste an address
nubbins`: congrats, you've done what the globe & mail couldn't
mircea_popescu: whassat ?
nubbins`: convince me to pay for content
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.783 BTC [-]
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: 131.15
nubbins`: what's everyone's thoughts on using brain wallets for cold storage?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1550 @ 0.00283802 = 4.3989 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: if you've never made original contributions to a scientific field your mind is probably too banal for the brain wallet to be safer than the alternatives.
nubbins`: well, 'Password1' obv isn't going to cut it
nubbins`: but let's assume that one is intelligent enough to create a passphrase with a very high level of entropy
mircea_popescu: then we can assume the wallet will be safe.
nubbins`: y'know, i'm realizing that this isn't a terribly complicated topic to discuss
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 485 @ 0.002829 = 1.3721 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [HIM] 5 @ 0.18998 = 0.9499 BTC [+]
nubbins`: anyway, seems a lot easier than keeping backups of wallet.dat files in encrypted usb drives in bank vaults
nubbins`: while sacrificing nothing in the way of security, as long as it's done properly
thestringpuller: why not pull a breaking bad mr. nubbins`
thestringpuller: print out a paper wallet
thestringpuller: destroy all back ups
thestringpuller: bury paper wallet in desert
thestringpuller: put gps coordinates on lotto ticket
mircea_popescu: what if he needs it one day ?
nubbins`: i don't have reliable access to plastic barrels
nubbins`: and, what if i need it one day
thestringpuller: go unbury your 10000 btc from the desert
mircea_popescu: he's gonna be out there digging ditches with nicky santoro.
nubbins`: better hope GPS accuracy is really tight on that particular day
mircea_popescu: "A lot of holes in the desert, and a lot of problems are buried in those holes. But you gotta do it right. I mean, you gotta have the hole already dug before you show up with a package in the trunk. Otherwise, you're talking about a half-hour to forty-five minutes worth of digging. And who knows who's gonna come along in that time? Pretty soon, you gotta dig a few more holes. You could be there all fuckin' night."
nubbins`: i was living in a rental once, and the landlord was showing some new prospective tenants around
nubbins`: this guy walks in
nubbins`: "any idiots or sketch-bags around here? 'cause i don't wanna be digging' holes"
nubbins`: although i was torn, i eventually chose the response "just us"
mircea_popescu: some other time, two chicks living together, landlord comes to do the same thing with a young goofy married couple.
mircea_popescu: one of the two says "oh, i rent here, but she comes with the place".
mircea_popescu: dood was drooling so hard his wife didn't want to rent anymore.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu what would be the ideal solution for a lemming storing btc "securely"
thestringpuller: or is security not a privelage the stupid deserve?
mircea_popescu: strangely you can spell security but not privilege!
nubbins`: paper wallet printed from offline machine
nubbins`: but hey
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.797 BTC [+]
nubbins`: lemmings don't have offline machines
mircea_popescu: but yeah, the best security is having a cheap laptop you don't use for anything else. generate a wallet and some gpg keys.
mircea_popescu: you can email your wallet to yourself in gpg encrypted form for backup, and just hang on tight to the laptop.
asciilifeform: know what would be spiffy? mechanical btc engine, a la Kurta.
asciilifeform: the ultimate 'offline'.
pankkake: if it's inconvenient, people are going to compromise
pankkake: so I am really skeptical of paper wallets
mircea_popescu: anyone can afford/use a cheapo old laptop
mircea_popescu: and nobody's stealing that.
nubbins`: y'know, a printer/scanner combo would be a great thing for a cold machine to have.
kakobrekla: how about those hw wallets for ze noobs
mircea_popescu: meh. i dont trust hardware these days.
thestringpuller: nobody's stealing it because it's old?
thestringpuller: or nobody's stealing it because GPG is hard to crack?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah. who do you think steals a laptop you got for 180 on ebay ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 6 @ 0.01799 = 0.1079 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: notbad.jpg
nubbins`: bonus if it's covered in stickers
thestringpuller: lolol hipster laptops
nubbins`: anything valuable, you wanna ruin with stickers
thestringpuller: no one steals those
mircea_popescu: stuff some pubes under the spacebar
mircea_popescu: that kinda thing
pankkake: burglars are dumb. I know from experience
thestringpuller: lol "this thing only has pubes and screenplays, I can't pawn this"
pankkake: they don't know what's valuable
asciilifeform: dumb enough to throw anything vaguely-laptop-like in a sack and look afterwards.
thestringpuller: with that logic you could make a poster with public private key that sits next to your bed
nubbins`: anyway, cold machine with printer/scanner: you wanna decrypt a message, just print it from your hot machine and do OCR on the cold machine
asciilifeform: i was on a jury where an idiot did exactly this
nubbins`: saves all that pesky manual transcription
thestringpuller: no burglar gonna steal a poster
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you can trivially put a qr reader
pankkake: anyway laptops, even without bitcoin, can easily be more valuable for their data
nubbins`: too true
mircea_popescu: cheaper, faster, just as good.
nubbins`: cheap webcam
nubbins`: tougher for gpg tho
mircea_popescu: pankkake you know, i've never been burglarized ?
pankkake: but why would you care? encrypt, put backups everywhere
thestringpuller: "My bank won't wire transfer to Slovenia (Bitstamp) says that it is a sanctioned country."
nubbins`: probably got it mixed up with syria
mircea_popescu: or somalia.
nubbins`: or siberia
thestringpuller: Silly Americans.
mircea_popescu: siberia is not a country.
nubbins`: tell that to the people advocating military strikes against it
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.813 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: zbigniew brzezinski has a map in his evil plotting room where it *is* a country
nubbins`: actually, don't; you'll only draw attention to yourself
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol good point.
mircea_popescu: btw nubbins` next time the marketing herpderps wish to know how come i get more traffic rthan the globe&mail i'ma quote you to them.
nubbins`: that, and there's less vitriol in the comments on trilema
nubbins`: take that as a compliment or a slight
mircea_popescu: actually my comment section is usually better than the articles.
mircea_popescu: present company excluded of course.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [DMS.MINING] 220 @ 0.002399 = 0.5278 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: natch
nubbins`: and i agree
nubbins`: comment sections are usually abysmal intellectual wastelands
nubbins`: where the open-mouthed and the dull-eyed spill their half-baked opinions
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 1108 @ 0.0026 = 2.8808 BTC [+]
nubbins`: never realizing that they're unpaid actors in a reality show called "morons on the internet"
mircea_popescu: reality shows pay now ?!
nubbins`: well, i thought the winners got paid?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.78266666 = 10.696 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: set of steak knives ?
nubbins`: i guess some just do it for the 'fame'
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.78 BTC [-]
nubbins`: or the IRL equivalent of sticking a sharpie in your ass for a btc
mircea_popescu: "some". it used to be porn actresses were paid, but by now it's mostly hookers
mircea_popescu: ahem. i mean escorts.
mircea_popescu: doing it to be able to say they are published writers.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.79 = 16.11 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and speaking of cocksucker blues,
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 50 @ 0.00274837 = 0.1374 BTC [-] {3}
Urushiol: is there any info on the discovery asset? like who runs it and what their experience / proof of competency is?
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure there's no proof of competency.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's that, uranium centrifuge ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 145 @ 0.00280335 = 0.4065 BTC [+] {7}
Ukyo: Urushiol: tyrion of ADDICTION runs it
asciilifeform: tunnel digger.
mircea_popescu: looked stationary.
asciilifeform: as in, everybody's metro
asciilifeform: there's caterpillars down there somewhere.
mircea_popescu: jesus christ, chrome has taken over the internet. 69k / 200k visits today come via chrome
mircea_popescu: when has this happened ?!
ozbot: [BTC-TC] Virtual Community Exchange w/ Options, DRIP, 2FA, API, CSV, etc.
mircea_popescu: ff 44k, msi 17k, i guess microsoft is pretty much dead huh.
mircea_popescu: pankkake deprived reads pretty sane. now wtf is qwith the usagi acquisition ? he ever explain ?
pankkake: he did
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [CBTC] 566 @ 0.00044 = 0.249 BTC [+]
pankkake: it seems to be low risk for *him*, but I haven't read the details
ozbot: [BTC-TC] Virtual Community Exchange w/ Options, DRIP, 2FA, API, CSV, etc.
mircea_popescu: o look at that.
mircea_popescu: somewhat lulzy.
ozbot: Labcoin crashes as news reveals lies : Bitcoin
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 233 @ 0.00282635 = 0.6585 BTC [+] {4}
kakobrekla: >>>So let me get this right. Someone mined 3 BTC and sent it to the Labcoin wallet to cause a price spike?
kakobrekla: Which I bought into.
kakobrekla: How dumb am I? What kind a person does this?
mircea_popescu: "Obviously, I'm just pointing out that MP is the Carrot Top of investment advice"
mircea_popescu: "Scott Thompson (born February 25, 1965), better known by his stage name Carrot Top, is an American comedian, known for his bright red hair, prop comedy, and self-deprecating humor."
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.01743 = 0.1394 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: dude... nothing matches. red hair, me ? self-deprecating humor ?!
pankkake: I'd just reply with "If you have Labcoin shares (and don't have inside knowledge) you ARE a fucking idiot. There's no grey area on that."
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, you could pick a better matching comedian throwing darts
kakobrekla: you throw darts?
mircea_popescu: i sometimes throw darts.
mircea_popescu: this is why i like girls with meaty tails.
pankkake: nice
pankkake: so what comedian would you matched to?
mircea_popescu: well, i dunno. don rickles if i want to flatter myself ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, he says nigger all the time, right ?
pankkake: widely known as an insult comic
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 500 @ 0.002789 = 1.3945 BTC [-]
pankkake: nice
mircea_popescu: actually he's widely known as "mr warmth"
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 118 @ 0.00279012 = 0.3292 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 2471 @ 0.00280365 = 6.9278 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 529 @ 0.002835 = 1.4997 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Since we're doing Casino : "Ace Rothstein: Listen, if you didn't know you're bein' scammed, you're too fuckin' dumb to keep this job. If you did know, you were in on it. Either way, you're out. Get out! Go on. Let's go."
thestringpuller: ;;google don rickles
gribble: Don Rickles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Rickles>; Don Rickles: <http://www.donrickles.com/>; Don Rickles - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0725543/>
thestringpuller: don rickles is so old
thestringpuller: "I'm Mr. Potato head"
ozbot: Toy Story 4 - IMDb
mircea_popescu: yeah, but he's the only guy mocking obama out there.
thestringpuller: not jon steward?
thestringpuller: or stephen colbert?
mircea_popescu: not afaik. what they say ?
ozbot: Google
mircea_popescu: “President Obama is a personal friend of mine. He was over to the house yesterday, but the mop broke.”
Duffer1: it's pretty funny usually worth watching
Duffer1: stewarts an equal opportunity hater, it's why i like him
mircea_popescu: always a good thing that.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.802 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: that has a pretty good treanscript
thestringpuller: OBAMA: We have been very clear to the Assad regime but also to other players on the ground that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized.
thestringpuller: STEWART: See the red line. You can.t use chemicals to kill your own people. You have to do it organically! America and the world want to make sure Assad only uses locally sourced, free-long-range land ordinance.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.808 = 3.616 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: Now, back in the early .80s, we knew that Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran and were likely to use them again. Not only did we not attack them, we supported Iraq in doing it. And of course, we still reserve the right to use bunker-busters, cluster bombs, and the Mark 77 which is not, not filled with napalm, technically.
thestringpuller: soooo i mean rickles isn't the only one talking out against obama
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.82 = 3.64 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: they seem quite on different levels.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.784 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: steward is definitely for lemmings
thestringpuller: since he actively knows only stoners watch his show regularly
assbot: [MPEX] [S] [S.MPOE] 3498 @ 0.00091399 = 3.1971 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: "Put down the bong, the pope isn't coming" and such comments
mircea_popescu: saying "take this twenty and give it to your sister" is one thing. saying "well i hear a certain young lady has seen more things than you'd expect" it's quite another.
ThickAsThieves: stewart*
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.752 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0174 = 0.174 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: that's a pretty bad tie.
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 32 @ 0.09714062 = 3.1085 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 426 @ 0.00264825 = 1.1282 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 5000 @ 0.00256124 = 12.8062 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BMF] 75 @ 0.03385333 = 2.539 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.01736 = 0.5034 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 908 @ 0.0025479 = 2.3135 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: So mircea, would you be willing to at least independently acknowledge that this data shows Gox having less than 50% of btc volume on Aug 28? http://data.bitcoinity.org/#caaaaadgaa
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 71 @ 0.01735098 = 1.2319 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: i can't load it. how'd i go about that ?
mircea_popescu: put the page as a pastebin somewhere ?
ThickAsThieves: it's graphical
ThickAsThieves: use Chrome, like everybody else
mircea_popescu: lol well, i'm willing to acknowledge i don't use chrome.
mircea_popescu: so put it as a screenshot.
ThickAsThieves: loads in Opera for me
mircea_popescu: anyway, since i'm stuck guessing : your link probably onyl counts mtgoxusd.
mircea_popescu: there's also eur, jpy, and whatever the fuck else, like 4-5 things.
mircea_popescu: this was discuissed on the bet comments on like two different passes.
ThickAsThieves: its all currencies
thestringpuller: yea it's all them
thestringpuller: currency: "all currencies"
mircea_popescu: but does that actually correctly include the same thing as the bitcoincharts includes.
mircea_popescu: i mean, "all currencies" might mean anything.
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
ThickAsThieves: thats the chart
ThickAsThieves: here is the currency list
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: well now we know for a fact it's not good : the bitcoincharts site doesn't include this bit2c thing
mircea_popescu: also i don't see no rmbtb
ThickAsThieves: including more exchanges would only help my case
Ukyo: there are roughly 5 chinese rmb exchanges
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves how do you reason ?
ThickAsThieves: gox's pie would decrease more
mircea_popescu: if you're half of your household including more girlfriends makes you more or less a % ?
mircea_popescu: exactly ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 52 @ 0.01679 = 0.8731 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: yes the bet says gox will have less than 50%
mircea_popescu: which is why your substitute source is no good : it includes more things.
ThickAsThieves: it resolved no
mircea_popescu: right...
ThickAsThieves: but this chart shows it had less than 50%
ThickAsThieves: on Aug 28
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 400 @ 0.00255 = 1.02 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: on some substitute source wherein a lot of other exchanges were counted.
ThickAsThieves: adding more competition of exchanges would make gox even lower
mircea_popescu: exactly.
ThickAsThieves: oh so you mean this page has more than bitocincharts has?
mircea_popescu: mtgoxUSD, bitstampUSD, btcnCNY, btceUSD, mtgoxEUR, mtgoxJPY, btcdeEUR, cbxUSD, mtgoxGBP, mtgoxCAD, bitcurexPLN, btceRUR, virtexCAD, mtgoxAUD, virwoxSLL
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 385 @ 0.002585 = 0.9952 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Ukyo it's true, but it's also damned hard to distinguish who's serious etc. gotta pick some sort of a fixed criterion.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.00254994 = 0.255 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: on that day, bitstamp alone had 14k
ThickAsThieves: gox had 15k
ThickAsThieves: ad campbx
ThickAsThieves: and gox is at <50%
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1837 @ 0.00242511 = 4.4549 BTC [-] {9}
mircea_popescu: i find it suspicious mtgox is one single thing, and i find it suspicious that thing is 2 digit precise.
mircea_popescu: anyway. all this would have been way more useful sometime around august the 8th
ThickAsThieves: it does 1 decimal
mircea_popescu: well what is 15k ?
ThickAsThieves: the issue is that a dynamic chart shouldnt be allowed
ThickAsThieves: as a data point
ThickAsThieves: since there is no way to prove yay/nay
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 295 @ 0.00241989 = 0.7139 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: sure it is. what happened to claiming it ?
mircea_popescu: you know, any of the interested partioes going "HEY! This bet is won!"
ThickAsThieves: because no one person was looking at it all times
ThickAsThieves: it's bitbet's job
ThickAsThieves: to resolve it
ThickAsThieves: not the bettors
ThickAsThieves: reality is reality, whether bettors point it out or not
mircea_popescu: well, reality so far is "no".
mircea_popescu: that's the story here : bitbet enacts reality. that's all i do to show you : point to the bitbet decision.
mircea_popescu: you disagree, you show me.
ThickAsThieves: so bitbet has no responsibility for it's resolutions to reflect reality?
mircea_popescu: bitbet resolutions ARE reality.
Kleeck__: LOL.
ThickAsThieves: how about the data used to make them?
Kleeck__: Classic mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: this is like going "o, the court should show me". dude... you got a case, show your case. you don't got no case... that's what it is.
Kleeck__: haha.
Kleeck__: Yes. Bitbet = habeas corpus
mircea_popescu: well, the data, sure. but it has to be THE data.
ThickAsThieves: would you mind sharing the data used to resolve it?
mircea_popescu: Kleeck__ no but it's not practical to have bitbet store details in any degree of detail permanently.
ThickAsThieves: yknow how lawyers share their data
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i would, cause it'd create untenable precedent.
ThickAsThieves: please disclose
ThickAsThieves: cant use court as justification
ThickAsThieves: without same allowances
mircea_popescu: it's economically unfeasible to require bitbet to permanently maintain records of everything. it's also kinda against the entire concept of bitcoin.
ThickAsThieves: it'll take you more time dealing with me than just showing me
Kleeck__: What a perfect position you've created for yourself MP. Bitbet = Reality, but it can't reveal how it comes to it's conclusions. :P
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter that it can't reveal tho.
ThickAsThieves: so you concur the court case justification is not applicable here?
ThickAsThieves: so it's some kind of court where everyone has to use facts but you?
Kleeck__: Sounds scammy.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves pretty much. bitbet is the authority. there's not some other authority to which bitbet submits facts
mircea_popescu: and emphatically that putative authority isn't any user.
ThickAsThieves: not true
ThickAsThieves: the authority is named in the bet
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, users are welcome to bring their cases before the supreme tribunal \which is bitbet.
ThickAsThieves: bitcoincharts
mircea_popescu: that's the trier of fact as it were.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 1800 @ 0.0024014 = 4.3225 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 38 @ 0.01676 = 0.6369 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i'm merely asking for bitbet to assert its good faith to the court by disclosing how it knew gox was never <50% before sept
mircea_popescu: bitbet is the court.
ThickAsThieves: is the court allowed to make decisions that conflict with reality
mircea_popescu: that;'s the point, and that's a giood half of the value and utility of bitbet to the community.
mircea_popescu: teaching people how to work in an actually structured system, rather than floating in this internet vague.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.01679 = 0.1175 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, decisions that conflict with reality aren't at issue here. reality isn't what you feel it is, it's what you can prove it is.
mircea_popescu: bring that proof.
ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure the court gives me any avenue for doing so
mircea_popescu: well, there's the bitcoincharts site.
ThickAsThieves: the link stated in the bet is dynamic
mircea_popescu: looky, you can't argue "i had a proof but i ated it".
pankkake: is it on archive.org?
ThickAsThieves: any moment where it was <50% in Aug is not able to be displayed on that link
mircea_popescu: that's unfortunate, but not novel.
mircea_popescu: unless tactm changed how bitcoincharts operates since the bet was made.
ThickAsThieves: archive.org is not bitcoincharts.org, the court will argue
mircea_popescu: archive.org would work actually.
ThickAsThieves: it did not archive that day, and the charts dont load
ThickAsThieves: pronly due to them being dynamic
mircea_popescu: i'd have been surprised if this thing was amenable to some sort of resolution ;/
mircea_popescu: hey, do the graphs get constructed out of the request somehow ?
mircea_popescu: alternatively, you could maybe bug tactm (the owner) to check.
ThickAsThieves: info@bitcoincharts.com?
ThickAsThieves: or does he IRC?
mircea_popescu: well i don't see him on atm.
Kleeck__: Was this another bitbet?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 32 @ 0.0167 = 0.5344 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [COGNITIVE] 11 @ 0.15501818 = 1.7052 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 826 @ 0.00240177 = 1.9839 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: jesus this is a two week + old resolution ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves srsly, what have you been waiting for ?!
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 69 @ 0.00246933 = 0.1704 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: also, bitcoinity is doing daily averages, but it seems to me bitcoincharts is doing 30 day averages.
ThickAsThieves: well i had a number of bets, all of which i was sure i won and i was digging through emails and saw notifications of .00001 deposits on one of my betting addresses
ThickAsThieves: so i investigated
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01668499 = 0.8342 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: it's not exactly easy to keep tabs on bitbets
ThickAsThieves: should have an optional email notfi
ThickAsThieves: notification*
mircea_popescu: not really great for user privacy that.
ThickAsThieves: it's good to have options
ThickAsThieves: some emails can be pretty damn private
ThickAsThieves: you can gpg it if it makes you feel better ;)
mod6: o_0
mircea_popescu: currently bitbet retains no user info of any kind. there is value in this model.
ThickAsThieves: maybe an rss of resolutions?
mircea_popescu: i thought there was ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla does bitbet have a resolutions rss ?
mod6: there is an RSS feed (http://bitbet.us/rss/), and a twitter feed (@BitBets), but neither broadcast bet resolutions yet.
ThickAsThieves: it would also be cool if the headers on the homepage linked to full displays of that category
ThickAsThieves: like if I click the black Resolutions text
mircea_popescu: <Kleeck__> What a perfect position you've created for yourself MP. << this happens to be how business works, incidentally. you do a narrowly defined, specified thing. you never do "everything", ie, unbounded obligations.
ThickAsThieves: it would take me to all resolutions
assbot: [MPEX] [S] [S.MPOE] 14637 @ 0.000913 = 13.3636 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: or accurately resolving bets as a service
ThickAsThieves: much too specific
ThickAsThieves: (digging myself in a hole here if i'm wrong, i know...)
mod6: yeah, you can just click the link in the tweet/rss stream and it takes you to the bet results.
mircea_popescu: i think some small RSS icons next to resolved and closed topics would prolly be useful.
ThickAsThieves: i mena literally clicking the word "RESOLVED"
mircea_popescu: to do what ?
ThickAsThieves: to see headlines for ALL resolved bets
ThickAsThieves: paginated if needed
mircea_popescu: you know you can just search for that.
mircea_popescu: select all / resolved in search box.
ThickAsThieves: but too many clicks bro bro
mircea_popescu: this i a point.
ThickAsThieves: makes me have to think n stuff
ThickAsThieves: cater to my impulses plz
ThickAsThieves: this is gambling after all
mircea_popescu: hey, the calculator did get put in :D
ThickAsThieves: yep, it's dope
mircea_popescu: and in a format i actually like.
ThickAsThieves: i emailed tactm, so we'll see if he actually responds
mircea_popescu: can yopu check bitcoinity for current mtgox % ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [DMS.MINING] 500 @ 0.00232956 = 1.1648 BTC [-] {10}
ThickAsThieves: only using that alpha charts page i linked
mircea_popescu: no, what i mean is, bitcoincharts currently shows mtgox as
mircea_popescu: { label: "mtgoxUSD", data: 37}, { label: "mtgoxEUR", data: 6}, { label: "mtgoxJPY", data: 3}, { label: "mtgoxGBP", data: 1}, { label: "mtgoxCAD", data: 1}, { label: "mtgoxAUD", data: 1},
ozbot: Bitcoinity.org
mircea_popescu: which adds up to 49%
mircea_popescu: now, the only way mtgox has 49% is if these are averages for the past 30 days.
mircea_popescu: otherwise there's no way.
mircea_popescu: and if indeed that's the case then we definitely have a problem with the daily averaged bitcoinity data.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.01663206 = 0.4823 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: tis alpha anyway
mircea_popescu: what's alpha ?
ThickAsThieves: data.bitcoinity.org
ThickAsThieves: i didnt expect you take take the source to change the bet
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.0166388 = 0.416 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 46 @ 0.002496 = 0.1148 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: just to acknowledge that what it showed for that date was such
mircea_popescu: well that's why those links are in there (bet judged by X source). so these sorts of disputes can be dispatched.
ThickAsThieves: partly to make sure i wasnt crazy to spend any time on this
ThickAsThieves: i just wish the source chosen was not dymanic
ThickAsThieves: kinda shit
mircea_popescu: well yeah. not sure what to do about that.
ThickAsThieves: dont allow it?
mircea_popescu: i mean... on one hand forbidding bets of the sort seems strange, as the people aren't obliged to bet on it.
ThickAsThieves: for bets of this natue
ThickAsThieves: well the bet wouldve been fixed simply,
ThickAsThieves: name the closing date as the measure
ThickAsThieves: instead it said any time
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BTC-BOND] 11 @ 0.01001818 = 0.1102 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: yet gave no way to see every time
mircea_popescu: well yes but entirely different tihngs these. european vs american options.
ThickAsThieves: provable vs not provable in this case
ThickAsThieves: you couldve been able to say Well when we looked it was not true sorry
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 22 @ 0.01665727 = 0.3665 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: looky here : out of the three contentious bets so far, the two most problematic ones were the ones which actually were quite provable
ThickAsThieves: but instead your resolution implies you would have known if it were No
pankkake: the bet creator should provide a shell script able to determine the bet outcome!
mircea_popescu: (that bfl didn't deliver ands that bitfury did)
ThickAsThieves: but i suspect you wouldnt have known
ThickAsThieves: the fact is there is total ability for the bet to resolve incorrectly if no one is always watching the page and no historical data is served by the page
mircea_popescu: i somehow doubt a bet with 100 btc riding on it literally had nobody giving a shit.
mircea_popescu: i mean this is the internet. what else are people to do ?
ThickAsThieves: i didnt watch it
ThickAsThieves: obv i should have
ThickAsThieves: and i do represent the entire internet
mircea_popescu: anyway, can you see what % mtgox has on bitcoinity for today ?
mircea_popescu: the same thing as what you used for the 8th of aug or w/e it was
ThickAsThieves: sure, sec
mircea_popescu: i'm trying to compare things here so as to see how the two items rate.
ThickAsThieves: it has 18.2k for gox,
ThickAsThieves: bitstamp 13.0k37.52%
ThickAsThieves: mtgox 11.1k32.02%
ThickAsThieves: btce 3.66k10.58%
ThickAsThieves: localbitcoins 2.62k7.58%
ThickAsThieves: btcchina 1.53k4.42%
ThickAsThieves: campbx 7902.28%
ThickAsThieves: rmbtb 7392.14%
ThickAsThieves: cavirtex 6191.79%
ThickAsThieves: bitcurex 5581.61%
ThickAsThieves: justcoin 16.60.05%
ThickAsThieves: bit2c 0.5000.00%
Kleeck__: Link to the bet?
mircea_popescu: o we gotta add all this shit ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BTC-BOND] 27 @ 0.01034814 = 0.2794 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [HIM] 20 @ 0.18999 = 3.7998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [AM100] 21 @ 0.01700714 = 0.3571 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure wtf
ThickAsThieves: i think the day chart does not include today
ThickAsThieves: but the 24h does
ThickAsThieves: conflicting data
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 18.2 / (18.2+13+11.1+3.66+2.62+790+619+558)
gribble: 0.00902965895673
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 18.2 / (18.2+13+11.1+3.66+2.62+.790+.619+.558)
gribble: 0.360060933389
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [HIM] 2 @ 0.185 = 0.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 43 @ 0.01055 = 0.4537 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: see, according to this graph mtgox for today is at 36^
mircea_popescu: according to bitcoincharts, mtgox for today is at 49%
mircea_popescu: i tell you, they don't average over the same period.
ThickAsThieves: it's in my paste :)
ThickAsThieves: well btccharts shows 38%
ThickAsThieves: if they are rounding up
ThickAsThieves: then we're spot on
dexX7: hey tat, sorry to interrupt the talk - do you have any info on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=82760 like a real name or so? you gave him a trust rating
ThickAsThieves: that doesnt include the mini gox slices
ThickAsThieves: sec i'll check
ThickAsThieves: forum is slow for me atm
dexX7: thanks
ThickAsThieves: whats the name?
Kleeck__: That's one of the better bets I've seen. Not a block of text with poor wording.
mircea_popescu: Sep 19 04:43:50 <mircea_popescu>anyway, since i'm stuck guessing : your link probably onyl counts mtgoxusd.
mircea_popescu: you noob you!
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 320 @ 0.002472 = 0.791 BTC [-]
Kleeck__: But still lacks specificity. Why not LIST the exchanges that count towards it?
ThickAsThieves: if you read my rating
dexX7: ThickAsThieves: sam noi, fabrizio tatti
ThickAsThieves: it says I hosted escrow
ThickAsThieves: and the deal went fine
dexX7: yes
dexX7: but maybe, maybe he did mention it via pm
ThickAsThieves: thats the extent of it
ThickAsThieves: i'll look at pms from the day
mircea_popescu: Kleeck__ how would you know aforehand ?
Kleeck__: Be as specific as possible.
Kleeck__: Is the bet around exchange volumes? What exchanges?
mircea_popescu: that's exactly what it is. as speciffic as possible.
Kleeck__: No it isn't.
ThickAsThieves: wait a sec dexx7
Kleeck__: It's broad.
mircea_popescu: the bet was around the exchanges as defined by bitcoincharts.
ThickAsThieves: why am i hunting this down anyway
ThickAsThieves: plz dont tell me,
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's "delaria".
ThickAsThieves: to determine if labcoin are scams
Kleeck__: Oh. My fault.
Kleeck__: I didn't see the bitcoincharts bit.
dexX7: i'm not really sure what i'm looking for, but "labcoin" uses his username "delaria" as skype handle and "delaria" posted some avalon pictures/pool stats labeled with "labcoinx_avalon" etc.
mircea_popescu: Kleeck__ too block of text-y ? :D
ThickAsThieves: so that is why
Kleeck__: :) No. This was a good bet.
ThickAsThieves: let me save you the time
dexX7: haha k
ThickAsThieves: labcoin is a fucking scam from day 1
ThickAsThieves: you can rest now
Kleeck__: I don't use Bitbet because most of the best that appeal to me have shitty wording and lack specificity.
ThickAsThieves: we all said so from day 1
mircea_popescu: you're supposed to say "as mp pointed out, labcoin is a scam from day one."
mircea_popescu: like that reddit guy
mircea_popescu: so why not make better ones ? you get paid even.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 46 @ 0.002495 = 0.1148 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.01682 = 0.2859 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: well i want credit on this one too
mircea_popescu: link me!
dexX7: yeah well, you said so. now proof it.
ThickAsThieves: i am the law!
Kleeck__: LOL
Kleeck__: Classic defense.
dexX7: i'm not calling you out, just saying :)
Kleeck__: Yeah.
mircea_popescu: ten years from now i'll be long gone on some island somewhere, and people will try to figure out why are all bitcoiners such assholes
mircea_popescu: little will they know...
dexX7: if there is hard proof, it would be good to know
Kleeck__: yeah. I'd love to see proof, honestly.
dexX7: but anyway, i didn't want to turn this into a lab discussion ;)
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 92 @ 0.00249525 = 0.2296 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: didnt you?
mircea_popescu: dude. we would love to see proof that corzine did it.
mircea_popescu: we all KNOW he did it.
mircea_popescu: and yet...
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.01682 = 0.2859 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: for that matter, enron is roughly in the same position and etc. proof is hard.
Kleeck__: Nah.
Kleeck__: This isn't Enron.
Kleeck__: Or Corzine.
Kleeck__: It's a goddamm Bitcoin startup.
Kleeck__: And a shitty one at that.
mircea_popescu: yes. proof even harder.
Kleeck__: I'll give that up right away.
mircea_popescu: hi Edward_
Edward_: Hi.
mircea_popescu: everyone, this is the guy that bothered to look into that piece of malware on the forum. Edward_ this is everyone.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.76 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: urlpls
Edward_: Funny in channel not to hear assbot chatter. Hey everyone. I look at machine code.
Kleeck__: Night all.
Edward_: Half OCD, half job.
mircea_popescu: assbot found a girl and went away.
ThickAsThieves: btw you wanted a link to be calling labcoin a scam day 1
ozbot: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining)
dexX7: lol
dexX7: "reserved"
mircea_popescu: "i told you so" ?!
dexX7: "last edit" :P
kakobrekla: this could be edited afterhand
kakobrekla: url must start with log dot something
mircea_popescu: lol last edited sept 12
pankkake: oh I did a reserved too
mircea_popescu: omg SCAM
ThickAsThieves: i'd have to dig up IRC logs
Edward_: They were taking beating last time I here.
mircea_popescu: where you from Edward_ ?
ThickAsThieves: just wanted to be a dick to people that go back and read it
Edward_: Eritrea. Now live in Dubai.
mircea_popescu: that's practically right next to kakobrekla's native somalia ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 300 @ 0.002499 = 0.7497 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: lmao and fu
mod6: ha
Edward_: close, yes. Had family there. Now dont
mircea_popescu: whoa that sounded like that hemingway short story.
mircea_popescu: "For sale: baby shoes, never worn"
Edward_: Not read Hemingway.
mod6: <3 Hemingway
mircea_popescu: hemingway is good.
Edward_: six word. whole story. yes.
Edward_: Is kakabrekla from Somalia?
mod6: its a meme
mircea_popescu: well, he really is from slovenia. but he tells everyone he's from somalia
mircea_popescu: like those people who pretend to be jewish.
Edward_: Ah. Explains much.
kakobrekla: its same shit really...
kakobrekla: > 02:27.45 ( thestringpuller ) "My bank won't wire transfer to Slovenia (Bitstamp) says that it is a sanctioned country."
kakobrekla: no 419 for you kako
mircea_popescu: url you asked for.
Edward_: Mine had no problem with. But normal for Dubai, bankers no qualms about anywhere really.
mircea_popescu: Edward_ so what do you normaly speak ? arabic ?
kakobrekla: thanks
Edward_: No. Singlish, lah?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.751 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.785 = 7.14 BTC [+] {2}
Edward_: Is Chinese syntax on about half English half Korean vocabulary. But is ugly language.
mircea_popescu: she cow pig had kittens ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 622 @ 0.0024998 = 1.5549 BTC [+] {4}
Edward_: Serious Labcoin price? Thought fall further.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [PAJKA.BOND] 33 @ 0.018 = 0.594 BTC [+]
Edward_: use pronouns damnit. Is assbot price of labcoin real? I thought it would fall further. Standard English?
mircea_popescu: who's to know at this point.
mircea_popescu: it is what btctc reports.
Edward_: Why do anyone think "start an anarchy" is a good idea?
mircea_popescu: what does that mean ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [S] [CBTC] 251 @ 0.0004 = 0.1004 BTC [-] {2}
Edward_: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280771.0 makes a lot of nonsense to me.
ozbot: How to actually start an anarchy?
mircea_popescu: you know the forum is mostly for comedy relief right /
Edward_: Hard to tell sarcasm from stupidity apart.
mircea_popescu: this is what makes it so fascinating.
pankkake: You don't start an anarchy. They naturally arise after revolution."
mircea_popescu: " Does things high level compiler never ever do like use as data (including instructions!) from code segment, to make value pun elsewhere, use as number or insert in string. Horrible to trace, damned clever." << this by the way was very funny, because of the word pun is afaik never used before in that context.
mircea_popescu: Edward_ you know the story of mel ?
Edward_: I would say after infrastructure destroyed. Is worst part of war, anarchy follows.
Edward_: From Hacker Dictionary?
Edward_: Yes. What word if not 'pun'?
mircea_popescu: anyway. what you think of anarchy, ie, proper anarchy, and what pasty ass white boys imagine anarchy is are very VERY different things.
mircea_popescu: when you hear white rich people talk about anarchy all they mean is, our governments have become very large, very expensive, very ineffectual and very stupid. people want to get rid of them.
mircea_popescu: no, no, pun is great. it just never occured to anyone before.
Edward_: America Government is not ineffectual. It is so effectual it is scary.
mircea_popescu: how do you judge ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 57 @ 0.01733 = 0.9878 BTC [+]
pankkake: anarchy ≠ anomy
pankkake: revolutions, wars have actually usually kept the existing bureaucracies and made them more powerful
Edward_: NSA headlines lately. No other government could do what they did. Listening to whole world.
mircea_popescu: that is irrelevant for most people. ineffectual in this context means they don't do what people want them to do, not that they don't do what they themselves set out to do.
pankkake: what's the NSA's budget?
Edward_: $billions. I don't know.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.0173 = 0.2595 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i bet you you could do what they do on half the money :D
Edward_: Is just example. American government does many things no other could do. Invade Syria? You know how tough Syria is? Nobody else would even think.
mircea_popescu: they're just talking about it.
mircea_popescu: tjhey know they'll get owned.
Edward_: I have no doubt they could flatten it. But after? No way to disengage,
mircea_popescu: well exactly.
mircea_popescu: what win is that ? another afghanistan.
mircea_popescu: spend 10 trillion to do 10 billion worth of damage. whoopdedoo.
mircea_popescu: russians send 10 more bn worth of gear, start over in 10 years.
Edward_: America, always being police to the world. But sometimes corrupt police like in India.
Edward_: Less about chasing crooks than shaking them down for share of profits.
thestringpuller: "thanks the cops who put greed before the badge"
Duffer1: or knocking them down and placing their own crooks
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.1244 = 0.4976 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.017 = 0.85 BTC [-]
Edward_: But like Batman thing. Spend $Millions on equipment, chase crooks who mug $50 from old lady on corner.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [BASIC-MINING] 16 @ 0.1244 = 1.9904 BTC [+] {2}
Edward_: Then ignore other crooks do much worse when no oil involved.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 280 @ 0.002591 = 0.7255 BTC [+] {2}
Edward_: Trading is much calmer today?
mircea_popescu: thus ineffectual :)
Edward_: Hardly. Nobody else can do so much damage so fast.
mircea_popescu: well we'll just have to agree to disagree :)
mircea_popescu: also, check pms.
Edward_: private message on bitcointalk board?
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 500 @ 0.00689359 = 3.4468 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.7855 = 3.571 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: no, here.
Edward_: Sorry, new to IRC. How?
mircea_popescu: should be a tab up on the screen
kakobrekla: Edward_ the trades are merged in 1 min blocks and nothing under 0.01 comes through, hence less spam
kakobrekla: 0.1 that is
Edward_: I see.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [TAT.ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.01731333 = 0.6233 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.0025115 = 0.2512 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.79116666 = 10.747 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 344 @ 0.00119752 = 0.4119 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [ACTIVEMINING] 40 @ 0.002565 = 0.1026 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S] [LABCOIN] 250 @ 0.002502 = 0.6255 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: TheSeven, save us from the TheScam
Duffer1: dexxy posted a respone from theseven today in that thread
Duffer1: er dexx7
ThickAsThieves: did it amount to "I wont say it's NOT a scam..."?
Duffer1: he said he's sure it's not a scam from what he's seen, but anything's possible, he also confirmed consulting and seeing his ideas being implemented in the 65nm design
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