assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21 @ 0.00072428 = 0.0152 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1279 @ 0.00072455 = 0.9267 BTC [+] 
    
    ThickAsThieves: np!
    
    Diablo-D3: hey whats the current valuation of asicminer?
    
    inhies: lots.
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.024665 = 0.0987 BTC [+] 
    
    Diablo-D3: heh
    
    Diablo-D3: DMC monthly report is out
    
    
    
    Diablo-D3: which, btw
    
    Diablo-D3: we've now crossed into profit
    
    KRS-1: is your ipo listed online Diablo
    
    KRS-1: i'd like to look at it
    
    Diablo-D3: KRS-1: the IPO was canceled when GLBSE crashed
    
    Diablo-D3: DMC is going private so it can relaunch
    
    KRS-1: ok
    
    KRS-1: what about GLVSE 2
    
    KRS-1: GLBSEv2
    
    Diablo-D3: there isnt one
    
    KRS-1: oh my bad i thought there was
    
    Diablo-D3: if you're asking what DMC was relisted on, its bitfunder
    
    KRS-1: ok
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.024665 = 0.074 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 2.46 = 12.3 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 2.456 = 24.56 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.7 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.455 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.454 BTC [-] 
    
    Diablo-D3: so at least DMC is now profitable
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.451 BTC [-] 
    
    Diablo-D3: so no matter what happens after today
    
    Diablo-D3: I still won.
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 2.451 = 14.706 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00072156 = 2.0204 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1921 @ 0.00072125 = 1.3855 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13179 @ 0.00072112 = 9.5036 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000706 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.024653 = 0.074 BTC [-] 
    
    Diablo-D3: usagi, ThickAsThieves, Chaang-Noi: ^
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.024062 = 0.1444 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3842 @ 0.00072112 = 2.7705 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072079 = 3.1145 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2007 @ 0.00072078 = 1.4466 BTC [-] 
    
    usagi: Profitable is good
    
    usagi: But if you say you won now I'd slap you... thats a concession
    
    usagi: You're conceeding and saying you won without achieving the dream
    
    Diablo-D3: no, I mean I won against nefario
    
    Diablo-D3: he tried to bury dmc and the shareholders, and he didnt win
    
    Diablo-D3: everything that has been paid into it has been paid back
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 86 @ 0.0248 = 2.1328 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 47 @ 0.02487 = 1.1689 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.187 = 0.935 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.186 = 0.93 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 10 @ 0.185 = 1.85 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.184 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 9 @ 0.184 = 1.656 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.183 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.182 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.181 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.024665 = 0.518 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.024669 = 0.8881 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.024686 = 1.0368 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.451 = 7.353 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.024686 = 0.2715 BTC [+] 
    
    furuknap: ;;bc,stats
    
    gribble: Current Blocks: 239410 | Current Difficulty: 1.2153411709775832E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 239903 | Next Difficulty In: 493 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 10 hours, 17 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15080165.2799 | Estimated Percent Change: 24.08174
    
    Diablo-D3: lol
    
    furuknap: Geez
    
    furuknap: Well, there goes every mining bond dream...
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.02487 = 0.1244 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.1201 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4511 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.451 BTC [-] 
    
    ericmuyser: furuknap: that's a fml right there. should dump my preorders and roll the dice at satoshi
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 3 @ 0.0215 = 0.0645 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 3 @ 0.01556 = 0.0467 BTC [-] 
    
    ericmuyser: and you already got guys marking up bitfury's from 17btc to 30 or 40btc.. giving it 0.003 per MH, waiting 3+ months, about half of TAT's IPO that's *right now* and still not going to be very profitable. yawn....
    
    ericmuyser: YABMC is 0.0041, also *right now*
    
    Chaang-Noi: soneone just asked me if they can join project #2    my over 100% pool that was closed over 2 eyars ago!
    
    ericmuyser: the only profit soon (kind of now) will be in hosting group buys and your own mining bonds. yup.
    
    Chaang-Noi: he wants to gpu mine with 2ghs
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.02487 = 0.0497 BTC [+] 
    
    Namworld: I can brain-mine at the amazing speed of 1 phy.
    
    Chaang-Noi: you are satoshi returned!
    
    Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: did you hear what I said earlier?
    
    Namworld: 1 picohash/year. Will take me 1 trillion year to bother to learn how and calculate an hash with my brain.
    
    Diablo-D3: dmc finally became profitable.
    
    Namworld: Not to be confused with 1 Petahash/yoctosecond
    
    Chaang-Noi: d3, you got lucky on AM stock and broke even for the last investors, but many who invested lost massive amounts, something like that right?
    
    Diablo-D3: not really.
    
    Chaang-Noi: anyway breaking even after 1 year is not really a win
    
    Diablo-D3: breaking even after nefario completely fucked everything up is a win
    
    Chaang-Noi: also did you not want to build your datacenter and mining operation, was that not the goal?
    
    Chaang-Noi: yes, nefario is a fuck wit, but really AM saved your ass here
    
    Diablo-D3: its not that AM saved my ass
    
    Diablo-D3: its that I decided AM was a good investment
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02469 = 0.0494 BTC [+] 
    
    Chaang-Noi: okay, well good job then, congrats:)
    
    Diablo-D3: and I still want to build the DC, but DMC doesnt have enough money for that
    
    Chaang-Noi: understand
    
    Diablo-D3: the real goal of DMC was to make BTC prices go up drastically
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0248001 = 0.0496 BTC [-] 
    
    Chaang-Noi: mision acomplished!
    
    Diablo-D3: not really
    
    Diablo-D3: we never hit $1000.
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02469 = 0.0494 BTC [+] 
    
    Chaang-Noi: then, you fail!
    
    Diablo-D3: Im not done yet.
    
    ericmuyser: breaking even from GLBSE debacle looks like a small win
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.024909 = 0.1495 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072091 = 3.1151 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12379 @ 0.00072078 = 8.9225 BTC [-] 
    
    Chaang-Noi: yeah glbse was a cluster fuck
    
    Chaang-Noi: i still wonder if nefario shut it down to spit me, or spite theymos or just cuz he was crazy, or if he wanted to take the money and run
    
    Namworld: I assume crazy...
    
    Chaang-Noi: he was off and on
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.2339 = 0.9356 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.024909 = 0.1495 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 34 @ 0.024909 = 0.8469 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00876 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 40 @ 0.02476 = 0.9904 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.024784 = 0.5205 BTC [+] 
    
    ericmuyser: I like how somebody bought 1000 of TAT.VM at 0.007 then sold out at 0.0007. we got dem geniuses up here on bitfunder
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7316 @ 0.00072132 = 5.2772 BTC [+] 
    
    eyetalian: how can you make bitcoin prices rise to 1000?
    
    Namworld: You can't
    
    abillionhorses: ive done it b4
    
    eyetalian: what did diablo-d3 mean by that?
    
    Namworld: No idea
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.024784 = 0.0744 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 18 @ 0.1094 = 1.9692 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.0248001 = 0.62 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.0248 = 0.0744 BTC [-] 
    
    usagi: I always had a feeling that the reason GLBSE shut down is because nefario got hooked on coke
    
    usagi: he was never the same after the conference
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.109945 = 0.2199 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.10999 = 0.22 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 7 @ 0.01 = 0.07 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 18 @ 0.1094 = 1.9692 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.08 = 0.8 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 8 @ 0.08 = 0.64 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 16 @ 0.00084 = 0.0134 BTC [-] 
    
    usagi: <abillionhorses> ive done it b4
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.024784 = 0.1983 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0248 = 0.124 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.10999 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.0007212 = 9.5198 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.024784 = 0.2478 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.024787 = 0.0496 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 2.46 = 17.22 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.476 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.024787 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.476 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.02479 = 0.0992 BTC [+] 
    
    moonlander: Hello, why is http://bitbet.us/bet/439/bitcoin-bigger-than-obama-in-may/ not resolved yet?
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.47 = 4.94 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.460001 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.46 = 9.84 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.45103 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 12 @ 2.45102 = 29.4122 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.679899 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.448 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 13 @ 0.0215 = 0.2795 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 1 @ 0.7676 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.326845 = 0.9805 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.002899 = 0.0087 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.679899 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.02479 = 0.3471 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.679899 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.0007212 = 2.7406 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00072078 = 1.0812 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 67 @ 0.0246 = 1.6482 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.661301 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.6613 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.6501 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.02479 = 1.0412 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 37 @ 0.024795 = 0.9174 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 12 @ 0.000804 = 0.0096 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.02489 = 0.224 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 14 @ 0.002899 = 0.0406 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.024794 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.024795 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4765 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3014 @ 0.00072078 = 2.1724 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00072024 = 1.6566 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5388 @ 0.00072016 = 3.8802 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16540 @ 0.00072001 = 11.909 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4608 @ 0.00071866 = 3.3116 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.000839 = 0.0017 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.47699 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.477 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.650001 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.024795 = 1.0414 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00072132 = 3.2099 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.02489 = 0.4978 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.47699 = 4.954 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.024795 = 0.8182 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 67 @ 0.024686 = 1.654 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.477 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.0246 = 4.92 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 834 @ 0.00072132 = 0.6016 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4108 @ 0.00072135 = 2.9633 BTC [+] 
    
    Andrew____: SELL 5 PUT JUN 115 @ 12 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223626.0
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3518 @ 0.00072135 = 2.5377 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072187 = 3.1192 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8461 @ 0.00072217 = 6.1103 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3329 @ 0.00072217 = 2.4041 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072481 = 3.1319 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3404 @ 0.00072482 = 2.4673 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.02489 = 0.4978 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.0247 = 0.5681 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.024686 = 0.1728 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00071989 = 3.1106 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 379 @ 0.00071963 = 0.2727 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 11 @ 0.000839 = 0.0092 BTC [+] 
    
    Neil: You know the US is full of w**kers when even TC get forcibly investigated because some whining loser had nothing better to do with their miserable life.
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02488 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 48 @ 0.0169 = 0.8112 BTC [+] 
    
    mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
    
    gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 117.00001, Best ask: 117.17689, Bid-ask spread: 0.17688, Last trade: 117.17689, 24 hour volume: 51045.44233672, 24 hour low: 115.00000, 24 hour high: 123.23187, 24 hour vwap: 118.17462
    
    ThickAsThieves: mp, looks like mpex is done for, some guy is manually selling options on the forum using ripple
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.1098 = 0.549 BTC [-] 
    
    ThickAsThieves: was nice knowing you
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 15 @ 0.1099 = 1.6485 BTC [+] 
    
    mircea_popescu: lol ty.
    
    ThickAsThieves: :)
    
    mircea_popescu: you know how many peeps have been selling options since 2011 ?
    
    mircea_popescu: for that matter,y ou knwo some guy made a straight clone last year ?
    
    ThickAsThieves: heh
    
    mircea_popescu: i mean literally, exact same design. and then PRETENDED HE DIDN'T CLONE IT
    
    ThickAsThieves: he couldve at least owned it
    
    mircea_popescu: and then he had a team of experts
    
    ThickAsThieves: dont we all?
    
    mircea_popescu: and then he was going to take over
    
    ThickAsThieves: my team is cranking away right behind me
    
    mircea_popescu: and then wasn't heard from again
    
    ThickAsThieves: a team of cats
    
    mircea_popescu: and i can't even remember his name or anything
    
    mircea_popescu: lol a herd of milk cats. for to make cheshire cheez.
    
    ThickAsThieves: hehe
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072016 = 3.1118 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13329 @ 0.0007201 = 9.5982 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.02489 = 3.7335 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2335 = 0.467 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.2335 = 1.868 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 15 @ 0.08 = 1.2 BTC [-] 
    
    
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.0007201 = 12.4937 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 600 @ 0.00149999 = 0.9 BTC [-] 
    
    ThickAsThieves: mp, random idea/question, why not convert mpoe into a merge with your 30btc mpex seats to form a board as one tradable asset
    
    ThickAsThieves: allowing people to sell their mpex seats
    
    ThickAsThieves: but tying dividends to those seats
    
    ThickAsThieves: instead of mpoe
    
    ThickAsThieves: you could then make a cut on the trade of bot "mpoe" and mpex seats
    
    ThickAsThieves: both*
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00072048 = 2.1614 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 49 @ 0.0029 = 0.1421 BTC [+] 
    
    ThickAsThieves: ties everything into one (i think) elegant setup
    
    mircea_popescu: because there is absolutely no relation between the two concepts ?
    
    ThickAsThieves: i'm saying to make one
    
    ThickAsThieves: i didnt fully bake the idea or anything
    
    mircea_popescu: but this isn't how it works. you don't abstractly create relations between unrelated in fact items
    
    ThickAsThieves: but i think there's a concept in there somewhere
    
    mircea_popescu: what if i went down the street, picked two women and went
    
    mircea_popescu: "hey, you two. you're now married. eat each other out!"
    
    ThickAsThieves: i'm just theorizing that their may be a way to make mpex seats tradable
    
    ThickAsThieves: not offering a total solution
    
    ThickAsThieves: just ideas
    
    __blasty: women eating each other out, I'm all ears
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2335 = 0.467 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00072142 = 8.4406 BTC [+] 
    
    mjr_: the key issue, is that the "seat" is just a private key...as we know with bitcoins, how do you sell a private key?
    
    deadweasel: 'the key issue'
    
    mjr_: no matter what, there is no way to guarantee that there isn't another copy
    
    
    
    mircea_popescu: ahahaha dude this is the best lolgold
    
    
    
    mircea_popescu: death and taxes out of business.
    
    mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves hey, did you mean the vobyrov dude ?
    
    jurov: yes, him
    
    jurov: it even started funny philosophical debate between me and goat
    
    usagi: If you can change your private key, then it's possible to sell your private key and the buyer can change it to his key
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.02488 = 0.2737 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.024888 = 0.1244 BTC [+] 
    
    ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves hey, did you mean the vobyrov dude ?  <<< yessir
    
    mircea_popescu: a, i recall he was bitching about mpoe last summer.
    
    mircea_popescu: "how can you make a loss with those spreads !!11" and other amateruness.
    
    ThickAsThieves: you'd think if he was serious he'd make a real engine
    
    ThickAsThieves: even if i was interested in what he's selling
    
    ThickAsThieves: i don't wanna deal over a forum
    
    ThickAsThieves: nor over ripple
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.0249 = 0.6225 BTC [+] 
    
    mircea_popescu: ya well.
    
    jurov: he would sell me C130T equivalent that breaks even at 142. clearly loss is not conceivable.
    
    mircea_popescu: the end of dt is a lot more important news tbh. pretty soon the us will be cut off from btc completely.
    
    mircea_popescu: jurov clearly.
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.47345 BTC [-] 
    
    ThickAsThieves: i think US just wants all the dataz
    
    ThickAsThieves: as long as every tx goes through ACH
    
    ThickAsThieves: or is under AML/KYC
    
    ThickAsThieves: and under a MSB
    
    ThickAsThieves: then you're fine!
    
    mircea_popescu: heh.
    
    mircea_popescu: this latest event is clear proof this ain't the case. the guy was meticulously keeping track of customers.
    
    mircea_popescu: which is why this is important : proof that no, they don't just want the data.
    
    ThickAsThieves: but he is unlicensed no?
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0249 = 0.0996 BTC [+] 
    
    mircea_popescu: no.
    
    ThickAsThieves: and it was a state that stopped him
    
    ThickAsThieves: not the fed
    
    mircea_popescu: from what i gather (may be wrong)
    
    mircea_popescu: he got the fincen reg and was in the process of licensing
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02481 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.474 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4749 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.475 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.475 BTC [+] 
    
    
    
    mircea_popescu: pretty good read re phishing
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.01822 = 0.1822 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 87 @ 0.02489 = 2.1654 BTC [-] 
    
    Chaang-Noi: talking about fastcash4bitcoins?
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.679799 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.6798 = 1.3596 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 9 @ 0.67995 = 6.1196 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 26 @ 0.67999 = 17.6797 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 45 @ 0.68 = 30.6 BTC [+] 
    
    KRS1: Great article Mircea Popescu.  Thanks. I have forwarded this on to management in the corporate levels for the company I work for.
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.02489 = 0.0747 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.02489 = 0.4231 BTC [-] 
    
    Chaang-Noi: lol spamming your boss?
    
    Chaang-Noi: what i your day job?
    
    Chaang-Noi: is
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [-] 
    
    KRS1: Yeah I send spam but I'm often thanked for it. I'm a sysadmin 14+ yrs..I touch everything from web servers to SAN's and switches, virtualization, I.T. security.
    
    Chaang-Noi: well if you are thanked
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02489 BTC [-] 
    
    KRS1: only the good stuff though
    
    Chaang-Noi: having a job, with a boss, sounds like hell to me
    
    Chaang-Noi: i think id rather go to jail
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00072206 = 1.769 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.00257 = 0.0051 BTC [-] 
    
    Chaang-Noi: 115 has held for longer than i expected
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.670001 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [-] 
    
    jurov: ;;next
    
    gribble: retracement targets: 125-127 | #bitcoin [Sun, 02 Jun 2013 17:33:08 +0000] | tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/139er6E | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | https://twitter.com/BitcoinOracle | updated by OneFixt | 20 hours, 39 minutes, and 13 seconds ago
    
    ThickAsThieves: at first i though OneFixt wasn't worth following, but he's turning out to be pretty good at this
    
    Chaang-Noi: he is a smart guy with an asian gf
    
    ThickAsThieves: all boxes ticked
    
    Chaang-Noi: also one of the most mystarious people in btc land
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.016 = 0.16 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 23 @ 0.015602 = 0.3588 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.015601 = 1.5601 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01556 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 4 @ 0.0155 = 0.062 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.015005 = 1.5005 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 40 @ 0.015 = 0.6 BTC [-] 
    
    KRS1: Chaang-Noi: you said it bro..I'd rather go to hell.. oh wait I'm already there.
    
    mircea_popescu: KRS1 fwiw i don't buy his entire "had the tab open must have acciodentally typed in" theory.
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 10 @ 0.008766 = 0.0877 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 16 @ 0.000706 = 0.0113 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4749 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 41 @ 0.02481 = 1.0172 BTC [-] 
    
    deadweasel: Make me sad, I loved getting checks in the mail for BTC sales..  felt so good.
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.475 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.475 BTC [+] 
    
    deadweasel: If anyone can beat this it's TC
    
    mircea_popescu: realistically i don't imagine he can justify the costs of so doing.
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 8 @ 0.66 = 5.28 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.687899 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.6879 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.689 = 2.756 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.02487 = 0.1492 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00072142 = 3.3185 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9321 @ 0.0007201 = 6.7121 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 929 @ 0.00071963 = 0.6685 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00072206 = 4.0796 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00072261 = 2.4569 BTC [+] 
    
    deadweasel: depends on that cost, I don't think it's been discovered yet.  Historically it's probably too high to pursue.
    
    deadweasel: wish we could help.
    
    saulimus: could someone with an account at coinlenders perhaps tell me what the rates are like there?
    
    ThickAsThieves: they have a page
    
    ThickAsThieves: that spells it out
    
    saulimus: hmm, I didn't find it
    
    
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12892 @ 0.00071963 = 9.2775 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3002 @ 0.00071866 = 2.1574 BTC [-] 
    
    saulimus: I was thinking of borrowing, not depositing money to gain interest..
    
    ThickAsThieves: ah
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.024686 = 0.3209 BTC [-] 
    
    ThickAsThieves: probly gives you a good idea tho
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.024686 = 0.0741 BTC [-] 
    
    thestringpuller: are we still talking about TC?
    
    thestringpuller: The US government is being a poopoo.
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.02451 = 0.3186 BTC [-] 
    
    saulimus: just noticed btcjam doesn't show APR for the listings, annoying.
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.456101 BTC [-] 
    
    ericmuys_: nice, your IPO is almost finished eh TAT 8-)
    
    thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: You were right again about the magical bureaucrat yet again...
    
    thestringpuller: I can't get out of this country fast enough...
    
    mircea_popescu: saulimus afaik it is not open to borrow, it's just tradefortress' private bond.
    
    thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do you have a list of countries that view BTC in the same way as romania. As smickles once said: "WoW money".
    
    mircea_popescu: not rly.
    
    thestringpuller: if I compose one would you help edit/publish?
    
    mircea_popescu: but as a general rule of thumb, if they don't speak english they probably don't have the english brain rot either.
    
    mircea_popescu: sounds like a difficult thing, you're not a lawyer. how'd you compose one ?
    
    thestringpuller: Good point. That's why I said "edit" perhaps you can help get more motion behind it. Maybe call it a "safe countries list".
    
    Chaang-Noi: <deadweasel> If anyone can beat this it's TC                    they will, its a silly charge
    
    mircea_popescu: this is niot how it works. they who are worth millions hire a consultant. those who aren't worth millions pray.
    
    thestringpuller: I was one told consultants are people you hire to steal your watch to tell you what time it is...
    
    thestringpuller: once*
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 2.475 = 47.025 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.476 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02487 BTC [+] 
    
    deadweasel: Chaang-Noi, seems pretty cut and dry, they only buy BTC....   glad you think they will too.
    
    Chaang-Noi: its a silly silly charge
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 2.456103 = 17.1927 BTC [-] 
    
    thestringpuller: Chaang-Noi: Is it super illegal to smoke pot in Thailand like Vietnam?
    
    thestringpuller: My friend said the pot posession in Vietnam is a capital offense.
    
    KRS1: jeezus
    
    thestringpuller: He also said there was a white people tax.
    
    Chaang-Noi: i dont kow how it is is vietnam, however it is illegal here, the cops in some tourist areas will give you shit for smoking or having some pot
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 2.477 = 24.77 BTC [+] 
    
    deadweasel: cracker tax, I like it
    
    Chaang-Noi: however in normal areas cops dont give a shit about pot, its not a harmful social drug
    
    thestringpuller: ah
    
    Chaang-Noi: they mostly go after meth and shit like that
    
    Chaang-Noi: weed is a weed here...
    
    Chaang-Noi: it grows wild
    
    Chaang-Noi: having it to cook is normal
    
    ThickAsThieves: i always thought bought would be a decent addition to any spice rack
    
    ThickAsThieves: pot
    
    thestringpuller: My friend was living in Vietnam with his then gf, and some people saw him go into her relative's house, and the police came and said, "Give us 50 dollars for having a white person in your house."
    
    Chaang-Noi: some cops give shit to some tourists in tourist areas either cuz the tourist are being cocks or cuz the cops want a bribe
    
    ThickAsThieves: not bought :/
    
    KRS1: In a country most notable for tourism and you cant smoke out..i'll have to remember not to vacaction there, regardless of what I heard about the picturesuqe sunrises.
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.002 BTC [-] 
    
    Chaang-Noi: the cops wont fuck with me here, and they dont fuck with most white people anyway, esp out side of tourst areas
    
    deadweasel: In fact, you can survive without pot for long periods of time.
    
    deadweasel: little known fact
    
    ThickAsThieves: i dont think any of us are potheads
    
    ThickAsThieves: well
    
    Chaang-Noi: i hope to smoke opium again soon
    
    ThickAsThieves: i'm probly wrong
    
    Chaang-Noi: been about 6 months
    
    thestringpuller: deadweasel: tell that to Amanda Bynes
    
    deadweasel: ;;google amanda bynes
    
    gribble: Amanda Bynes (AmandaBynes) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/AmandaBynes>; Amanda Bynes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Bynes>; Amanda Bynes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004789/>
    
    thestringpuller: she still has a twitter after all her cray cray-ness?
    
    deadweasel: it's the first time I've heard the name.
    
    Chaang-Noi: i wonder if that bitcoin foundation guy got a new twitter :)
    
    Chaang-Noi: john manotes or whateggver
    
    deadweasel: did she die from an acute lack of marihuana?
    
    fiat500: lmao
    
    Scrat: used marijuana needles
    
    mircea_popescu: the government of President Bashar Assad took the trouble on Sunday to warn its citizens against travel to neighboring Turkey on the grounds it might not be safe there.
    
    thestringpuller: HAHAHA
    
    mircea_popescu: this rules lmao
    
    fiat500: lmfao yeah
    
    fiat500: quite the illusion he is living in
    
    thestringpuller: What rules about it mircea_popescu ?
    
    
    
    Scrat: be careful kids
    
    fiat500: mircea_popescu: i saw a video of ceaucescu's trial and execution yesterday, very poignant
    
    usagi: is that a winklevoss?
    
    thestringpuller: deadweasel: Amanda Bynes was a very successful child actress who has joined the list of child actors who go trippin'
    
    fiat500: romania is not to be trifled with
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0248 = 0.0992 BTC [+] 
    
    Chaang-Noi: President Bashar Assad took the trouble on Sunday       after his helicopter crash?
    
    thestringpuller: window 10
    
    thestringpuller: ugh
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00072156 = 11.2563 BTC [+] 
    
    mircea_popescu: fiat500 if you can read romanian,
    
    mircea_popescu: ;;google procesul ceausescu
    
    gribble: Transcript of the closed trial of Nicolae and Elena Ceauşescu ...: <http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Transcript_of_the_closed_trial_of_Nicolae_and_Elena_Ceau%C5%9Fescu>; Stenograma procesului Ceaușescu - Wikisource: <http://ro.wikisource.org/wiki/Stenograma_procesului_Ceau%C8%99escu>; Destinul principalilor participanţi la procesul soţilor Ceauşescu ...: (1 more message)
    
    mircea_popescu: o hey, i fell off.
    
    mircea_popescu: ;;google procesul ceausescu trilema
    
    gribble: Henry Kissinger implicat in recuperarea evreilor din Romania - Alex ...: <http://blog.alexgalmeanu.com/blog/2009/02/05/henry-kissinger-implicat-in-recuperarea-evreilor-din-romania-comunista/>
    
    mircea_popescu: uh.
    
    
    
    fiat500: mircea_popescu: google translate does a miserable job of translating this
    
    mircea_popescu: it would.
    
    mircea_popescu: it's an in depth discussion of the trial.
    
    mircea_popescu: the legal arguments presented, etc.
    
    fiat500: interesting, ill try to wade through the translation
    
    fiat500: "The problems are two: the first problem is not the law of incitement speech, the text expresses itself by committing deeds, and therefore not clear to what extent can he be held responsible Ceausescu genocide, unless he with mine His murder, damaged, subjected etc. The thing is of course open to dispute in court, Prax do not exist, so there will undoubtedly fit hot debate."
    
    fiat500: lol
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 48 @ 0.00257 = 0.1234 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 7 @ 0.00257 = 0.018 BTC [-] 
    
    fiat500: i think i get the gist of that, but man does google have a long way to go
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0248 = 0.124 BTC [+] 
    
    mircea_popescu: lol
    
    mircea_popescu: for the sake of lulz quote the original i'll translate properly.
    
    fiat500: Problemele sunt doua : prima problema, ca nu se face vorbire in lege de instigare, textul glasuieste de savirsirea unor fapte, si ca atare nu-i clar in ce masura Ceausescu poate fi el tinut responsabil de genocid, afara de cazul ca el cu mina lui a omorit, vatamat, supus etc.
    
    thestringpuller: !last btctc bitvps
    
    assbot: Last trade for BITVPS on BTCTC was at 0.000839 BTC [+]
    
    thestringpuller: !ticker btctc bitvps
    
    assbot: [BTCT:BITVPS] 1D: 0.00075 / 0.00075 / 0.000849 (1377 shares, 1 BTC),  7D: 0.000571 / 0.00068 / 0.001 (21471 shares, 14.5 BTC), 30D: 0.00051 / 0.00076 / 0.00172 (63192 shares, 47.9 BTC) 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.689999 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.69 BTC [+] 
    
    fiat500: i found this pretty funny too
    
    fiat500: "How will grab our state, created from hands, hopes and thoughts of guys hardly qualified secretarial and kitchen?"
    
    mircea_popescu: there's two problems with that. the first, that the law does not speak of instigation, it speaks of doing, and as such it's not clear how can you hold C responsible for genocide, except in the case you can show he himself killed, hurt, imposed etc.
    
    fiat500: interesting corollary to the mubarak trial in egypt
    
    fiat500: and of course milosovic
    
    mircea_popescu: indeed.
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.48 = 9.92 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.48995 = 7.4699 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4959 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.02487 = 0.0746 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02487 = 0.0497 BTC [+] 
    
    fiat500: mircea_popescu: it was a show-trial basically, i dont even think they tried to hide that fact
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100 @ 0.00072156 = 0.0722 BTC [+] 
    
    mircea_popescu: indeed.
    
    mircea_popescu: very comical one, if you understand the language and law
    
    
    
    mircea_popescu: big deal announcement.
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.02487 = 0.4725 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.02489 = 0.3982 BTC [+] 
    
    ThickAsThieves: when does it launch?
    
    ThickAsThieves: oic i think
    
    mircea_popescu: actual mpex contract later today, actual ipo closes on the 10th
    
    topace_: game development? do you have a portfolio of games developed already?
    
    ThickAsThieves: he plays them all the time, isnt that enough?
    
    ericmuys_: topace_: if there's anything I'm sure of, mircea_popescu created cat mario - www.youtube.com/watch?v=BksFy5qbwwM
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2233 = 0.4466 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2232 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10273 @ 0.00071866 = 7.3828 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7861 @ 0.0007183 = 5.6466 BTC [-] 
    
    mircea_popescu: topace_ nope.
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02489 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.0007183 = 3.0169 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02489 BTC [+] 
    
    deadweasel: what brought on this game dev ipo?  Where can we read about the companies under this umbrella?  Any games out yet?
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.08 = 0.8 BTC [-] 
    
    deadweasel: is there a better question I could be asking?
    
    usagi: oh cool
    
    usagi: hey deadweasel did you hear about the /print IRC command?
    
    usagi: try it, type "/print Unknown command" and it prints the message
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.487 = 4.974 BTC [-] 
    
    deadweasel: usagi, no idea what you're talking about, totally don't care.   but how is the silver biz?
    
    usagi: it was a joke :/
    
    deadweasel: i thought that for a split second, but when I didn't get it, I was sure it was just trollin  ;)
    
    usagi: Well, silver has been going down in USD, but up in terms of BTC
    
    mircea_popescu: deadweasel hehe, first things first. ipo, the nwe see what btc is gathered together.
    
    deadweasel: seems backwards
    
    mircea_popescu: but anyway, bitcoin is basically game currency. that's what it's for.
    
    usagi: Right now the price of BTC is the determining factor in silver/BTC investments
    
    usagi: I am working hard at making my tu.silver issue a winner though
    
    usagi: Increasing leverage in times of silver going up, decreasing in times of silver going down
    
    deadweasel: mircea_popescu, of course, it was Magic currency first, but now it's something else.  What would the utility be of the Game IPO?  Where does the product come into play?
    
    mircea_popescu: step 1. some people decide on a problem to solve ; step 2. those people come up with a way to do it and calculate resouerces needed ; step 3. those people gather the needed resources.
    
    mircea_popescu: asking me about "is the problem already solved" presumes we're past step 3
    
    deadweasel: I see.  I think understand the status of this IPO.
    
    mircea_popescu: as the article says, unlike all the other mpex ipos, which were sale by owner of established product, this is new biz.
    
    peterl: link to article?
    
    deadweasel: I did like the traditional IPO offering piece.  That's all great stuff, I just want to fondle whatever it is that is worth investing in.
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 16 @ 0.00105001 = 0.0168 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2284 @ 0.0008501 = 1.9416 BTC [-] 
    
    deadweasel: but since it's new biz, that part cannot yet be fondled.
    
    
    
    mircea_popescu: deadweasel the two are not distinct however. you can just wait out the ipo, see if any value arises and then buy in lateer
    
    mircea_popescu: of course it would by definition be for more per share, but nothing wrong with that in principle.
    
    kakobrekla: uh what happend here https://fastcash4bitcoins.com/
    
    
    
    eyetalian: hello when are the SBET earnings/dividends released?
    
    mircea_popescu: that.
    
    mircea_popescu: eyetalian http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/bitbet-may-2013-statement/ announced there
    
    kakobrekla: oh yes ill be signing it shortly
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.462811 = 9.8512 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 2.46281 = 12.3141 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.4628 = 9.8512 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.462 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.461004 BTC [-] 
    
    deadweasel: mircea_popescu, I'll watch for now, but I'm glad to see some new IPOs emerging.
    
    deadweasel: especially as price is somewhat stable.
    
    mircea_popescu: yeah.
    
    furuknap: And who will be the first to issue a PT? :-)
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 28 @ 0.006881 = 0.1927 BTC [-] 
    
    deadweasel: TAT, obviously.
    
    mircea_popescu: lol
    
    deadweasel: I'm going to sell my dead grandmother in a TAT-PT
    
    deadweasel: box and all
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00688 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 91 @ 0.0068 = 0.6188 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02489 = 0.1245 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02489 = 0.0498 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.7 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.02465 = 0.0986 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 54 @ 0.02465 = 1.3311 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 70 @ 0.0248 = 1.736 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0248 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 2.7 = 8.1 BTC [-] 
    
    
    
    mircea_popescu: for all our rapper friends :D
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4241 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.458 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.02465 = 0.0986 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 17 @ 0.02465 = 0.4191 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02465 BTC [-] 
    
    ThickAsThieves: Did somebody say PT?
    
    ThickAsThieves: :)
    
    furuknap: Yeah, MP is putting up a new asset, and I just can bring myself to doing all that PGP stuff to trade.
    
    deadweasel: yes, I'd like to offer up DEAD.GMA shares
    
    deadweasel: I'm offering 1 billion pieces of my dead grandmother, each for .01 BTC.
    
    mircea_popescu: how's she generating revenue ?
    
    mircea_popescu: furuknap iirc you can use coinbr
    
    furuknap: MP, I know, but it would only be for this; the other assets have PTs already.
    
    furuknap: *the other assets _I trade_
    
    ThickAsThieves: maybe i'll call it TAT.MASTER
    
    ThickAsThieves: but really,
    
    ThickAsThieves: a PT would be tough
    
    ThickAsThieves: everyone wants divs
    
    deadweasel: mircea_popescu, this is a traditional IPO, we will decide revenue generators later.
    
    deadweasel: ;)
    
    mircea_popescu: hahaha i see
    
    ThickAsThieves: and i assume this asset won't see any divs for quite a while
    
    mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yearly, if at all.
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.0007183 = 5.6746 BTC [-] 
    
    deadweasel: every six months her total mass is reduced, thus your shares become more valuable, as the total is reduced.
    
    deadweasel: so no divs
    
    ThickAsThieves: the amatuer mining professional wouldnt stand for that
    
    ThickAsThieves: as a PT
    
    ThickAsThieves: ammortalization
    
    furuknap: :-)
    
    deadweasel: lol
    
    deadweasel: nice
    
    ThickAsThieves: :)
    
    ThickAsThieves: amortalization*
    
    mircea_popescu: amateur professional lol. nice.
    
    ThickAsThieves: also known as "prosumers"
    
    imsaguy: <mircea_popescu> how's she generating revenue ? << ever heard the term 'find a fold and...'?
    
    mircea_popescu: i have not.
    
    mircea_popescu: what is it?
    
    mircea_popescu: i am 12.
    
    imsaguy: what is this?
    
    mircea_popescu: yes this is dog.
    
    mircea_popescu: (fwiw, the romanian expression is "you can only fuck her after you roll her in flour and find the wet spot")
    
    deadweasel: imsaguy, if you purchase enough DEAD.GMA shares you will have voting rights on which fold will be appropriated.
    
    mircea_popescu: what if it farts ?
    
    deadweasel: then you have chosen your fold poorly.
    
    deadweasel: choose again.
    
    deadweasel: she's not picky.
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02489 BTC [+] 
    
    deadweasel: anymore
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 2.73 = 8.19 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.75 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4572 BTC [-] 
    
    imsaguy: Im pretty certain that once dead, they all fart
    
    deadweasel: it's a feature
    
    deadweasel: not a defect
    
    mircea_popescu: well the only way forward is for you to present this at the upcoming "first" coinsomething conference
    
    ThickAsThieves: how many fans will she have?
    
    deadweasel: liking her on facebook requires owning DEAD.GMA-PT shares
    
    deadweasel: and the number will be in tens of twelves
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.024551 = 0.221 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00071941 = 2.6618 BTC [+] 
    
    imsaguy: deadweasel, it'd probably be easier to use tonal numbers
    
    mircea_popescu: tonal, oldest injoke in btc ?
    
    imsaguy: if by in, you mean lame, yes
    
    jborkl: I always think of deaf people talking when I read tonal bitcoin
    
    imsaguy: that's fairly accurate
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.02465 = 0.074 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 21 @ 0.02461 = 0.5168 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 41 @ 0.024601 = 1.0086 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 83 @ 0.0246 = 2.0418 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0246 = 0.0492 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.024509 = 1.2255 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 303 @ 0.02450401 = 7.4247 BTC [-] 
    
    mircea_popescu: all injokes are lame to outsiders :D
    
    deadweasel: DEAF.GMA-PT will not be offered until my other, deaf grandma is in the ground.  Then her Tonal IPO can be announced.
    
    deadweasel: DEAD.MA-PT and DEAD.PA-PT can be offered as needed.
    
    jborkl: I remember the first time I read about tonal , I stopped when I reached Bong-Bitcoin
    
    jborkl: :(
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 2.47999 = 24.7999 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00071941 = 2.8417 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.024848 = 0.2236 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 72 @ 0.024848 = 1.7891 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.024505 = 0.2451 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 20 @ 0.002575 = 0.0515 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.024848 = 2.4848 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00071648 = 14.5804 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.0007164 = 4.4059 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 130 @ 0.024505 = 3.1857 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 41 @ 0.024649 = 1.0106 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 175 @ 0.02465 = 4.3138 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.47999 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 41 @ 0.024848 = 1.0188 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.47999 = 9.92 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 90 @ 0.02489 = 2.2401 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 41 @ 0.02451 = 1.0049 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 49 @ 0.02450401 = 1.2007 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 23 @ 0.02449 = 0.5633 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.024848 = 2.4848 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.024848 = 0.0497 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.289989 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00071941 = 6.4387 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00072261 = 1.5536 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 40 @ 0.1098 = 4.392 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.024845 = 0.0497 BTC [-] 
    
    topace_: ;;depth
    
    gribble: Error: "depth" is not a valid command.
    
    topace_: !depth
    
    ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
    
    gribble: Current Blocks: 239532 | Current Difficulty: 1.2153411709775832E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 239903 | Next Difficulty In: 371 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 17 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15257411.5782 | Estimated Percent Change: 25.54015
    
    fiat500: sheeeeet
    
    fiat500: lol
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.02484 = 0.149 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.477 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 56 @ 0.02484 = 1.391 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00072261 = 1.4091 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 22 @ 0.02484 = 0.5465 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02484 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2496 @ 0.00072482 = 1.8092 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0007254 = 3.1345 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2805 @ 0.00072541 = 2.0348 BTC [+] 
    
    MJR_: hi all
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.469 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 37 @ 0.02488 = 0.9206 BTC [+] 
    
    deadweasel: hey MJR_
    
    deadweasel: how's it going?
    
    mircea_popescu: and here it is http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MG
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0007251 = 3.1332 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2929 @ 0.00072541 = 2.1247 BTC [+] 
    
    eyetalian: very dissapointing dividend on sbet this month :(
    
    kakobrekla: beats sdice
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 9 @ 0.109 = 0.981 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 21 @ 0.109 = 2.289 BTC [-] 
    
    eyetalian: how come when a limit sell order is placed, it seems someone automatically places another just below it?
    
    eyetalian: with bbet?
    
    eyetalian: is there a bot...?
    
    deadweasel: um, sell order on bbet?
    
    deadweasel: what is the question?
    
    eyetalian: if you try to sell bbet shares
    
    eyetalian: with a limit sell
    
    eyetalian: almost instantly another sell order appears below it
    
    mircea_popescu: eyetalian i see a few at 149999 ?
    
    eyetalian: example if you try to sell for 0.19. instantly a sell of 0.1899 appears below it
    
    mircea_popescu: possibly somebody is running a bot.
    
    eyetalian: its almost always a 5000 or 10000 lot size
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 9 @ 0.1087 = 0.9783 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.10861 = 0.4344 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.1086 = 1.086 BTC [-] 
    
    eyetalian: mircea_popescu: how can a bot have so many shares on offer?
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 13 @ 0.1084 = 1.4092 BTC [-] 
    
    mircea_popescu: eyetalian how many you mean ? 10 k ?
    
    mircea_popescu: that's not a lot is it.
    
    ThickAsThieves: not really
    
    ThickAsThieves: what does qty matter anyway
    
    eyetalian: yes but no matter what price you put the bot comes in
    
    ThickAsThieves: maybe he owns 100,000
    
    eyetalian: it stops you from being able to exit
    
    ThickAsThieves: so put a low enough price
    
    mircea_popescu: i imagine if the price is too high it will undercut you,
    
    eyetalian: yea and take a huge loss
    
    mircea_popescu: but at some point it runs out
    
    ThickAsThieves: or trick the bot into selling into bids, if it's that exact
    
    mircea_popescu: well this is called price formation you know. the market atm is incredibly wide
    
    eyetalian: no its called someone having a huge ammount of shares and gaming the market to ensure all bids are aimed towards the certain supply
    
    mircea_popescu: 85/150 wtf is that.
    
    eyetalian: just suspiscious to me thats all
    
    eyetalian: maybe im wrong
    
    mircea_popescu: i still don't see how 10k shares is a lot
    
    eyetalian: its not 10k
    
    mircea_popescu: it's like 15btc worth or something neh ?
    
    eyetalian: almost the entire ask size is the bots shares
    
    eyetalian: ask side
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.0025 = 0.0125 BTC [-] 
    
    mircea_popescu: um
    
    mircea_popescu: have you read the ipo contract eyetalian ?
    
    eyetalian: well yes i know you are selling most of those
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.469 BTC [-] 
    
    mircea_popescu: right, like 99% of the ask side is leftover from ipo
    
    eyetalian: it just seems youve set it up to make sure any new bids go straight to you
    
    eyetalian: i assume the bot is yours.
    
    mircea_popescu: nope, i've not been selling any shares.
    
    eyetalian: ok
    
    eyetalian: i dont know maybe i am mistaken
    
    ThickAsThieves: it doesnt matter tho
    
    ThickAsThieves: you need to sell for less than whomever else is selling
    
    eyetalian: you cant.
    
    ThickAsThieves: simple as that
    
    ThickAsThieves: sur eyou can
    
    eyetalian: the bot will undercut you forcing you to do a market order.
    
    mircea_popescu: well if it's a bot ir probably has a limit
    
    eyetalian: and take a huge loss, which i assume the bot sits on the bid side too
    
    mircea_popescu: 150, 140, 120, w/e it is
    
    eyetalian: with a very very low bid
    
    ThickAsThieves: try pushing the bot into the bids
    
    ThickAsThieves: .ile .0001 at a time
    
    ThickAsThieves: like*
    
    ThickAsThieves: you'll find the bottom
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.000835 = 0.0017 BTC [-] 
    
    eyetalian: thickasthieves: the bids are very low on purpose i assume it is the bot buying back
    
    mircea_popescu: probably halves is the fastest.
    
    eyetalian: mircea_popescu: please dont pretend you dont know about a bot.
    
    mircea_popescu: ;;calc 150+85/2
    
    gribble: 192.5
    
    mircea_popescu: i'm not pretending anything dude.
    
    eyetalian: its your exchange you are well aware whats active on it
    
    mircea_popescu: ;;calc (150+85)/2
    
    gribble: 117.5
    
    ThickAsThieves: you are confused man
    
    ThickAsThieves: even if it IS the bot
    
    mircea_popescu: i don't snoop nearly to the degree everyone assumes.
    
    ThickAsThieves: on both ends
    
    ThickAsThieves: this is still okay
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 37 @ 0.024501 = 0.9065 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 63 @ 0.0245 = 1.5435 BTC [-] 
    
    ThickAsThieves: it just means no one else is buying
    
    eyetalian: the bot absorbs any new bids, diverting BTC to itself
    
    ThickAsThieves: ...
    
    eyetalian: when someone tries to buy the bot ensures its the bots supply you are buying
    
    ThickAsThieves: so?
    
    eyetalian: its just suspiscious thats all
    
    ThickAsThieves: its a bot
    
    eyetalian: so its 1 participant gaming the market
    
    ThickAsThieves: they are designed to make money
    
    ThickAsThieves: if the bot is in control,
    
    ThickAsThieves: it's because no one else is playing
    
    mircea_popescu: i very much doubt a bot makes money on s.bbet tbh.
    
    mircea_popescu: $avg s.bbet
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 2.469 = 17.283 BTC [-] 
    
    eyetalian: it doesnt trading wise
    
    mircea_popescu: $t s.bbet
    
    mircea_popescu: wtf was it
    
    eyetalian: it just ensures you always get the new BTC mircea.
    
    ThickAsThieves: !t s.bbet
    
    assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
    
    mircea_popescu: $vwap s.bbet
    
    mircea_popescu: !ticker s.bbet
    
    assbot: Some are born to endless night.
    
    kakobrekla: mpexbot = gone
    
    mircea_popescu: heh mpexbot is ded ghuh ?
    
    ThickAsThieves: its my bot
    
    mircea_popescu: da fuck happened there
    
    ThickAsThieves: any questions?
    
    mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.bbet
    
    assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.0008501 / 0.00098566 / 0.00149999 (2900 shares, 2.86 BTC), 7D: 0.0008501 / 0.00098566 / 0.00149999 (2900 shares, 2.86 BTC), 30D: 0.0008501 / 0.00146134 / 0.00172499 (12215 shares, 17.85 BTC)
    
    mircea_popescu: lol srsly ?
    
    ThickAsThieves: nahi hate bots
    
    ThickAsThieves: lol
    
    ThickAsThieves: but my point is
    
    mircea_popescu: smickles hey where's mpexbot!
    
    assbot:  and i hate you tat
    
    ThickAsThieves: it may as well be me
    
    ThickAsThieves: hehe
    
    mircea_popescu: lol
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.4241 = 2.1205 BTC [+] 
    
    mod6: (00:31)  (!) mpexbot ~supybot@unaffiliated/smickles/bot/mpexbot has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
    
    mircea_popescu: i wonder if there actually is a bot or the guy just has a "world is satan" outlook
    
    mod6: looks like it timed out today
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0247999 = 0.0992 BTC [+] 
    
    eyetalian: mircea_popescu dont act stupid.
    
    eyetalian: you know what you are doing
    
    mircea_popescu: your definition of "acting stupid" may be a little broken.
    
    eyetalian: you are using a script to divert any BTC bids to yourself.
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 80 @ 0.02489 = 1.9912 BTC [+] 
    
    mircea_popescu: sigh.
    
    eyetalian: being the IPO issuer.
    
    ThickAsThieves: i still dont understand the problem
    
    ThickAsThieves: even if it was mp
    
    mircea_popescu: i'm the half issuer who people praise, as per traditiob
    
    ThickAsThieves: or me
    
    mircea_popescu: it's kakobrekla who people cuss out. please stick to it.
    
    ThickAsThieves: superservant and super scapegoat
    
    ThickAsThieves: so many hats
    
    eyetalian: thickasthieves: what hes doing is being dishonest about a market functioning.
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [-] 
    
    ThickAsThieves: he's providing liquidity
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 25 @ 0.105 = 2.625 BTC [-] 
    
    ThickAsThieves: :)
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.1035 = 0.5175 BTC [-] 
    
    eyetalian: thickasthieves: he only places limit sell orders when someone else is selling.
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 21 @ 0.102001 = 2.142 BTC [-] 
    
    eyetalian: they arent tehre any other time
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 100 @ 0.102 = 10.2 BTC [-] 
    
    ThickAsThieves: but there must still be a top
    
    ThickAsThieves: and a bottom
    
    eyetalian: its always his ask you are hitting.
    
    eyetalian: yep
    
    ThickAsThieves: for the market price
    
    mircea_popescu: what insanity is this. there's always someone selling wtf.
    
    ThickAsThieves: that the bot is willing to play
    
    mircea_popescu: the world doesn't start and end when you move.
    
    ThickAsThieves: all you need to do is find that price
    
    eyetalian: mircea_popescu: the sell orders arent present until someone places them
    
    ThickAsThieves: then you have reached your "reality"
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.024897 = 0.4979 BTC [+] 
    
    eyetalian: ie someon puts a limit 0.19 the bot instantly puts a 0.189
    
    eyetalian: but the bot was not active earlier
    
    ThickAsThieves: this is true for all sell orders , no?
    
    eyetalian: it only ensures bids are diverted
    
    ThickAsThieves: nothing exists til it exists
    
    eyetalian: um
    
    kakobrekla: i admint, this is preety funny.
    
    kakobrekla: admit
    
    mircea_popescu: im sorry, i don't see much more than "how dare other people offer what i'm trying to sell for less than i want for it".
    
    eyetalian: thats not whats happening
    
    eyetalian: if the script is selling for 0.20
    
    eyetalian: and you come in 0.19
    
    eyetalian: it instantly puts 0.189
    
    ThickAsThieves: whats the lowest amount you'll sell your BBET for?
    
    mircea_popescu: ok, and if you come in at 0.15 ?
    
    eyetalian: becuase it has such massive supply available the entire premise is to divert bids
    
    FabianB: eyetalian: did you buy too high and now you want out doing a lower valuation than before?
    
    kakobrekla: eyetalian the way i see it someone wants to do exactly the same thing you want to do but they have a bot and you dont, so you are pissed.
    
    ThickAsThieves: i'll adjust the bt for you
    
    eyetalian: to the 1 buyer
    
    eyetalian: mircea: it will adjust again.
    
    eyetalian: kako: the supply the bot has is so high it has to be the owners doing it
    
    kakobrekla: that is just false
    
    mircea_popescu: well iirc the numbers, about 1mn or so shares sold.
    
    mircea_popescu: during the ipo
    
    eyetalian: what price were bbet shares initially offered
    
    ThickAsThieves: even if the bot owns ALL the shares taht you dont' it's still fair
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7416 @ 0.00072541 = 5.3796 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1984 @ 0.00072545 = 1.4393 BTC [+] 
    
    kakobrekla: wasnt it 1.5mn?
    
    mircea_popescu: substract from that w/e you're holding and that's the presumptive's bot max supply.
    
    mircea_popescu: something like that.
    
    mircea_popescu: eyetalian 0.00001 BTC each.
    
    mircea_popescu: it's in the contract.
    
    eyetalian: but all of them went to you.
    
    ThickAsThieves: WTB S.BBET 0.00085011
    
    kakobrekla: eyetalian the shares went to ipo investors not us
    
    ThickAsThieves: eyetalian, what price do you think IS fair?
    
    mircea_popescu: no they didn't go to me lol.
    
    ThickAsThieves: i already told you, it's my bot, and I own all the shares
    
    ThickAsThieves: what do you need from me?
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.0007251 = 12.0367 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 60 @ 0.0031 = 0.186 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 4 @ 0.000706 = 0.0028 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.0025 = 0.005 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 9 @ 0.000707 = 0.0064 BTC [+] 
    
    ThickAsThieves: I just got a pm from someone asking for a $68,000 loan
    
    mircea_popescu: sharpie in pooper ?
    
    ThickAsThieves: they wanna buy mining equipment
    
    ThickAsThieves: and let me hold AM as collateral
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 16 @ 0.00243 = 0.0389 BTC [-] 
    
    ThickAsThieves: uhhhhh where do I sign!
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.477 BTC [+] 
    
    ThickAsThieves: I guess I have earned the "will do anything for AM shares" reputation.
    
    topace_: hehe
    
    mircea_popescu: i suppose in principle it could be said anyone on mpex is running a bot
    
    topace_: way to go
    
    mircea_popescu: inasmuch as well... most everyone uses the pympex script or some equiv
    
    eyetalian: no only you
    
    mircea_popescu: a bot is what, two lines of code away
    
    eyetalian: there arent enough participants to have that supply
    
    ThickAsThieves: i think you just think BBET is worth more than it really is
    
    mircea_popescu: eyetalian are you of the "disregard everything because i know better" school ?
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.024889 BTC [-] 
    
    ThickAsThieves: maybe you overpaid?
    
    mircea_popescu: [BitFunder] Kenilworth Exploration - Real World Mining Opertunity with Bitcoins
    
    ThickAsThieves: ...
    
    mircea_popescu: heh.
    
    eyetalian: you will always overpay until the bot has unloaded all of its shares(millions)
    
    ThickAsThieves: overpaying is relative
    
    eyetalian: thats the whole point.
    
    eyetalian: gobble up as many BTC as possible
    
    ThickAsThieves: why buy somehting for more than it's worth?
    
    ThickAsThieves: here's your solution
    
    ThickAsThieves: have DeadTerra move your shares to a PT
    
    ThickAsThieves: no bots!
    
    eyetalian: they are still linked to mpex
    
    
    
    ThickAsThieves: its an mpex stock
    
    eyetalian: yes
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.02488 = 0.4976 BTC [-] 
    
    ThickAsThieves: yes
    
    ThickAsThieves: but the problem is the bot
    
    ThickAsThieves: not mpex
    
    eyetalian: i think thats why nobody wants to list assets on mpex, just too much shady activity in the background imo
    
    ThickAsThieves: so move your shares to a PT
    
    ThickAsThieves: where there are no bots
    
    ThickAsThieves: and sell there
    
    mircea_popescu: i gather the problem are other people, generally.
    
    eyetalian: the PT still reflects mpex prices duh.
    
    ThickAsThieves: bit you wont get bots undercutting you
    
    mircea_popescu: eyetalian everyone WANTS to. mostly nobody is allowed to.
    
    FabianB: eyetalian: why did you buy in the first place?
    
    mircea_popescu: huge difference there.
    
    ThickAsThieves: you can place your asks in peace
    
    ThickAsThieves: theoritically...
    
    eyetalian: mircea: as far as most are concerned havelock is the exchange dealing in the AAA assets
    
    ThickAsThieves: theoretically*
    
    ThickAsThieves: oh geez
    
    mircea_popescu: lmao ok.
    
    mircea_popescu: topace_ you put the noob up to it or is he just trollin' ?
    
    ThickAsThieves: I'm gonna start a space exploration asset
    
    ThickAsThieves: trying to raise 100,000btc
    
    mircea_popescu: looking for anything in particular ?
    
    ThickAsThieves: intelligent life
    
    ThickAsThieves: badoom!
    
    ThickAsThieves: maybe i'll mine in space too
    
    ThickAsThieves: like those rich guys
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.477 = 4.954 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.024896 = 0.1245 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.024897 = 1.9918 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.024897 = 0.3735 BTC [+] 
    
    mircea_popescu: oookay
    
    mircea_popescu: theres actually bids of s.mg nao o.o
    
    ThickAsThieves: no listing on coinbr yet
    
    mircea_popescu: i think jurov has to hand approve
    
    ThickAsThieves: those aren't real bids, just a bot
    
    mircea_popescu: also bitcoins are fake internet money used by people from tirol.
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.7705 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.024889 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2337 @ 0.00072545 = 1.6954 BTC [+] 
    
    fiat500: 20:52 < ThickAsThieves> maybe i'll mine in space too
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9963 @ 0.00072546 = 7.2278 BTC [+] 
    
    fiat500: ASICs in space dont need cooling
    
    ThickAsThieves: is that true?!
    
    fiat500: and can run off solar power unfettered by atmosphere
    
    ThickAsThieves: i have a bitcoin boner
    
    fiat500: i think you're onto something here
    
    mircea_popescu: of course tghey need cooling
    
    mircea_popescu: vacuum is an insulator. asics in space go boom
    
    fiat500: then how do you explain the sun?!!!!!
    
    fiat500: brb panic buying
    
    mircea_popescu: you need to get off the forum
    
    mircea_popescu: it's not agreeing with you :D
    
    fiat500: lmao
    
    fiat500: actually getting ready for a flight, and stupid airline app wont let me check in >_>
    
    mircea_popescu: tell the attendant "it's flight or fight, bitch!"
    
    Scrat: indeed
    
    Scrat: soviets tried nuclear reactors in space
    
    Scrat: didn't work well
    
    mircea_popescu: Scrat is that how you explain the sun ?
    
    Scrat: can't expel heat fast enough
    
    kakobrekla: "it's flight, fight or ass, bitch!"
    
    Scrat: fission vs fusion derp
    
    mircea_popescu: you didn't say FISSION NUCLEAR REAKTORS
    
    ThickAsThieves: nuklear*
    
    Scrat: americans spell it nukular
    
    ThickAsThieves: correct
    
    Scrat: at least jack bauer does
    
    ThickAsThieves: or nookula, if you are from boston
    
    jborkl: a bunch of satellites are nuclear powered
    
    jborkl: just not reactors
    
    mircea_popescu: jborkl not quite. they're just decay-lighted so to speak
    
    mircea_popescu: yeah
    
    Scrat: RTG's
    
    deadweasel: noocleah in maine
    
    deadweasel: i don't even want to know canadian
    
    ThickAsThieves: NOOKula, eh
    
    mircea_popescu: by the way... do you know about the russian doods who found some soviet era beacons in siberia
    
    mircea_popescu: and stripped them to warm themselves overnight ?
    
    deadweasel: that is not healthy.
    
    Scrat: mircea_popescu: then oh shit why do I have 3 testicles
    
    ThickAsThieves: more firepower
    
    deadweasel: more like oh shit, i shit myself.
    
    mircea_popescu: "hey there, nice tan"
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 8 @ 0.024889 = 0.1991 BTC [+] 
    
    fiat500: LOL
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.466 = 7.398 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3622 @ 0.0007251 = 2.6263 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 18 @ 0.024889 = 0.448 BTC [+] 
    
    mod6: ;;ticker
    
    gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 121.67663, Best ask: 121.67665, Bid-ask spread: 0.00002, Last trade: 121.67665, 24 hour volume: 28543.16748503, 24 hour low: 115.11100, 24 hour high: 122.78483, 24 hour vwap: 118.93708
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.478 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.478 = 9.912 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 2.48599 = 14.9159 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.317489 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 8 @ 0.0031 = 0.0248 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.024889 = 0.224 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0248895 = 0.2489 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.02485 = 0.497 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02485 = 0.1243 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 54 @ 0.0031 = 0.1674 BTC [+] 
    
    jurov: hi all. S.MG?  nice! will be added to coinbr in a moment.
    
    jurov: obv MPEx doesn't have an api for that
    
    mircea_popescu: safer that way.
    
    jurov: and thestringpuller: i got a consultant, will let you know if slovakia can be added to your list.
    
    jurov: so far we have romania slovenia and somalia?
    
    mircea_popescu: ha, prague is under water it seems
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.01 = 0.1 BTC [+] 
    
    jurov: yea. vienna, bratislava and budapest maybe soon.
    
    jurov: (no worry, i live 100m above danube level)
    
    mircea_popescu: this global warming...
    
    mircea_popescu: my magnolias think autumn is here.
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.688989 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 69 @ 0.000799 = 0.0551 BTC [-] 
    
    eyetalian: hi guys
    
    eyetalian: what is minigame doing?
    
    eyetalian: gambling income
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.28999 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.48599 = 4.972 BTC [+] 
    
    jurov: added to coinbr
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 113 @ 0.000726 = 0.082 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 275 @ 0.000725 = 0.1994 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02485 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.02488949 = 1.2445 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 46 @ 0.0031 = 0.1426 BTC [+] 
    
    kakobrekla: speaking of somalia http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/agr_agr_mac_tra_percap-agricultural-machinery-tractors-per-capita
    
    kakobrekla: jurov what list
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02479 = 0.124 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 38 @ 0.02466 = 0.9371 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.02465 = 0.074 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072223 = 3.1208 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6829 @ 0.00072215 = 4.9316 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02451 = 0.049 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.024351 = 0.1705 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.486 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.109498 BTC [+] 
    
    
    
    mircea_popescu: if anyone here watches porn, there's 1 btc to be made.
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.0247 = 0.4446 BTC [+] 
    
    mircea_popescu: witha little luck.
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072418 = 3.1292 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00072419 = 10.6456 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5878 @ 0.00072508 = 4.262 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 701 @ 0.00072546 = 0.5085 BTC [+] 
    
    KRS-1: I love to watch porn
    
    jurov: kakobrekla, deadweasel was asking mp for list of bitcoin-safe countries
    
    jurov: presumably to move to
    
    deadweasel: that was TAT
    
    deadweasel: or someone
    
    jurov: oh sry, no it was thestringpuller
    
    deadweasel: although I'd read it.
    
    jurov: in logs some 6 hrs ago
    
    jurov: oh and eyetalian, i do have a bot, too. but it's not on bbet and it's much more polite.
    
    eyetalian: what do you mean bitcoin safe countries?
    
    jurov: in the sense US is bitcoin-unsafe
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.485999 BTC [-] 
    
    mircea_popescu: countries which are ruled by laws and respect for individual rights
    
    mircea_popescu: rather than corporate interest and bureaucratic autarchy
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 400 @ 0.02488949 = 9.9558 BTC [-] 
    
    eyetalian: i thought US was only unsafe for exchangers
    
    jurov: well, LR was not an exchanger
    
    jurov: for example. and it was not even located in US.
    
    eyetalian: LR was stealing funds though from accounts
    
    eyetalian: their were more LR balances then dollars backing them
    
    jurov: oh, so US sacked them because of *that*?
    
    eyetalian: well they sacked them for that money laundering bs
    
    eyetalian: but im glad LR went down they stole millions
    
    mircea_popescu: sauce ?
    
    eyetalian: LR wasn't *just* a paypal for crooks
    
    eyetalian: they were actively freezing high dollar accounts
    
    eyetalian: for years
    
    mircea_popescu: In May 2013, Liberty Reserve was shut down by United States federal prosecutors under the Patriot Act
    
    mircea_popescu: funny what that thing is used for.
    
    eyetalian: LR had warnings since 2011.
    
    eyetalian: and the owners were thieves
    
    eyetalian: if US based exchanges comply with US rules theres nothing the government will do to them
    
    jurov: so, prolly they stole some HSBC stash and fell into disgrace for US power structures, you say?
    
    jurov: nice conspiration
    
    eyetalian: the owners had a history with US law enforcement
    
    mircea_popescu: lolwut
    
    eyetalian: you play with fire you get burnt imo
    
    eyetalian: if you deal in US dollars you subject yourself to US government
    
    eyetalian: simple as that.
    
    eyetalian: dont like their rules dont use their money
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.486 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.0247 = 0.1976 BTC [+] 
    
    mircea_popescu: this is not how it works.
    
    eyetalian: sure it does
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.0991 = 0.1982 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 20 @ 0.099 = 1.98 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.099 = 0.99 BTC [-] 
    
    eyetalian: if you stay away from US government related stuff they stay away from you
    
    mircea_popescu: ...
    
    eyetalian: mtgox same thing. they did not have proper accounts setup
    
    mircea_popescu: da fuck is this, bullying 101 ?
    
    eyetalian: no its the real world
    
    eyetalian: US gov is like an organized crime gang
    
    eyetalian: if you stay away from them they are harmless
    
    jurov: tell that to gitmo detainees
    
    eyetalian: lol you believe they are just randoms?|
    
    mircea_popescu: how did the discussion become a matter of what he believes ?
    
    mircea_popescu: do you have complete and indisputable proof they aren't ?
    
    eyetalian: the US is only 5% of the worlds population, there are plenty of alternatives
    
    eyetalian: if you stay away from US gov they stay away from you simple as that
    
    mircea_popescu: suppose they stay away from me, i stay away friom them, simple as that.
    
    mircea_popescu: in any game of bullying i shall be doing the beating.
    
    jurov: it doesn't matter if they are randoms. they have a right to trial, usg denies it
    
    eyetalian: sure
    
    furuknap: And then I told him, "you can't put that there!" and then just walked away. It was hillarious.
    
    mircea_popescu: huh ?
    
    jurov: furuknap, wrong tab?
    
    orkaa: <eyetalian> if you stay away from US gov they stay away from you simple as that
    
    orkaa: lol
    
    eyetalian: the US government is like a chained up dog, harmless as long as you stay away.
    
    furuknap: Just messing with you guys...
    
    orkaa: unless you're in need of some freedom
    
    furuknap: I was offline and typing to myself, not noticing I was gone...
    
    eyetalian: orkaa ?
    
    jurov: yes, chained up dog with drone remote
    
    eyetalian: dont give them a reason to target you
    
    orkaa: lol, lol
    
    mircea_popescu: anyway, i think i've had enough of this nonsense. bye eyeguy.
    
    jurov: how do i know what is the reason?
    
    jurov: i may be money laundering in usg eyes right now
    
    eyetalian: jurov: so far you have given 2 examples both who were actively fucking around with US authorities despite warnings
    
    eyetalian: LibertyReserve which was active in defrauding people and transfering $ around
    
    eyetalian: and gitmo people who were in combat with US people
    
    orkaa: eyetalian, so girls shouldn't wear short skirts 'cause they give guys a reason to rape them
    
    orkaa: that's what you're saying
    
    eyetalian: please show me examples of people who are targetted by US government
    
    eyetalian: that dont do anything involving them
    
    jurov: eyetalian: do your own research about gitmo. there were journalists, Uk citizens, you name it.
    
    eyetalian: bitinstant is fully in business and compliant with US laws
    
    eyetalian: and they are allowed to operate
    
    orkaa: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/us_military_bases_surrounding_iran_jpg-2.jpg
    
    mircea_popescu: for that matter, they kidnapped the ex head of the imf under manufactured charges
    
    orkaa: this picture says everything abou eyetalian's flawless logic
    
    mircea_popescu: which they knew were manufactured.
    
    mircea_popescu: they tried the same with the assange guy
    
    mircea_popescu: the list is endless.
    
    eyetalian: again show me innocent randoms please
    
    orkaa: basically everyone there.
    
    orkaa: no one had a trial
    
    furuknap: <mircea_popescu> if anyone here watches porn, there's 1 btc to be made. >"If anyone here watches porn" he says... *tsk*
    
    eyetalian: the truth is if you are involved in a US jurisdiction and play by their rules you are fine
    
    eyetalian: if you dont like their rules. stay away from them
    
    eyetalian: simple as that
    
    eyetalian: the world isnt america
    
    mircea_popescu: lol
    
    orkaa: eyetalian, where are you from?
    
    eyetalian: canada
    
    
    
    jurov: oh i thought fox news
    
    jurov: *he's from fox news
    
    orkaa: yeah me too
    
    eyetalian: i dont like the US gov
    
    eyetalian: but i live in the real world
    
    jurov: actually fox news doesn't, too. afaik
    
    eyetalian: theres nothing i can do about their power
    
    eyetalian: best to avoid it
    
    kakobrekla: ok jurov cool
    
    kakobrekla: i can do somalia 101
    
    kakobrekla: for 10 btc
    
    jurov: oh eyetalian: you do know they said practically whole internet is under US jurisdiction?
    
    jurov: at least .com domains are
    
    jurov: now do tell me how "best to avoid it"
    
    eyetalian: dont use .com
    
    jurov: lol. they can extend to other TLDs any day
    
    eyetalian: not really
    
    jurov: how not? ICANN is in US.
    
    eyetalian: you have to remember americans are of germanic descent, they tend to do everything systematically
    
    eyetalian: with procedures and rules
    
    eyetalian: making stuff up as they go along doesnt fit their traits
    
    jurov: lol this gets better
    
    eyetalian: hence their obsessiveness with laws and procedures
    
    jurov: so what was the procedure to discover WMDs in iraq?
    
    jurov: do explain me pls
    
    eyetalian: i dont know anything about that subject
    
    eyetalian: all youve named so far are regions and people who have fucked around with US gov.
    
    eyetalian: ive asked for an example of someone who hasnt thats been "targetted"
    
    eyetalian: the thing about the US gov too, you recieve plenty of warnings before they act
    
    eyetalian: like LR people recieved warnings since 2011 about the site specifically
    
    eyetalian: and they had a arrest record in the US
    
    eyetalian: sadaam had like a 2 year warning window before 2003.
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8136 @ 0.00072546 = 5.9023 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6264 @ 0.00072645 = 4.5505 BTC [+] 
    
    eyetalian: taliban people had 4months.
    
    
    
    orkaa: these kids had at least 10 seconds warning..
    
    eyetalian: orkaa we arent talking about war.
    
    eyetalian: something europeans are professionals at
    
    eyetalian: interms of kill count in the last 100 years
    
    orkaa: yeah but it's kinda the same thing
    
    orkaa: if you do some nasty stuff and then call it 'war'
    
    mircea_popescu: nice child porn.
    
    orkaa: it doesn't change anything
    
    eyetalian: US is a bitcoin friendly country
    
    eyetalian: there are plenty of places to spend BTC in NY and California
    
    jurov: .. as long as you don't try to exchange bitcoins. ic.
    
    eyetalian: well for exchanging dollars you have to comply with the same rules everyone else does
    
    jurov: if they have such nice rigid rules, then why so high incarceration?
    
    eyetalian: and anyone putting in a little effort can easily evade most ID requirements
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.8 BTC [+] 
    
    eyetalian: the high US incarceration is mostly drug gang stuff
    
    eyetalian: which i agree is stupid
    
    eyetalian: theres nothing illegal about exchanging bitcoins for cash on a person to person basis
    
    eyetalian: its simply rules governing major exchange operations
    
    orkaa: btw, what's the primary topic we're arguing about?
    
    eyetalian: he was saying US is not a bitcoin friendly country
    
    eyetalian: even though NY and California have a high ammount of business's that accept it
    
    eyetalian: his rational was because bitcoin exchanges should be allowed not to comply with any rules dealing with money
    
    eyetalian: the biggest hurdle in the US is that you need 50 different state licenses to operate
    
    eyetalian: the bitcoin exchanges simply had barely any startup capital to fund proper licensing which costs about 5-10million to obtain for the entire US
    
    jurov: hence, bitcoin unfriendly
    
    eyetalian: no its unfriendly to basement business's
    
    eyetalian: a well capitalized exchanger in the US should have no issues
    
    eyetalian: since bitcoin left infancy only this year, it was hard to attract that level of funding
    
    orkaa: eyetalian, but that's like saying that the US health system is very friendly …. it's just that most people have a money problem
    
    jurov: actually there's coinlab and others, and there *are* serious problems
    
    KRS-1: kakobrekla: Somalia is NOT the same as Serbia, just sayin.
    
    kakobrekla: now you are learning.
    
    eyetalian: orkaa i agree. the laws are mostly designed to keep small players out
    
    KRS-1: =D
    
    eyetalian: jurov: coinlab was never an exchanger.
    
    jurov: so which one had the deal with silicon valley bank?
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.02488949 = 0.2987 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 18 @ 0.0248895 = 0.448 BTC [+] 
    
    eyetalian: nobody was willing to put serious capital up for bitcoin related until 2013
    
    eyetalian: jurov: coinlab opened up a corporate account at a bank, thats all they did
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.233 = 0.466 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 47 @ 0.2331 = 10.9557 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2335 = 1.1675 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2335 = 1.1675 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.2335 = 2.335 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2336 = 1.168 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 23 @ 0.2337 = 5.3751 BTC [+] 
    
    jurov: if not even a bank dares to go in, what friendiless is that?
    
    jurov: *frinedliness
    
    eyetalian: jurov: there are plenty of banks who are fine with it as long as you are properly complying
    
    mircea_popescu: even somalia too cool for slovenia now ?!
    
    eyetalian: just nobody was willing to put the millions into compliance in the past
    
    eyetalian: because bitcoin wasnt worth it
    
    jurov: no one knows how to comply properly
    
    eyetalian: now it is
    
    eyetalian: jurov if that were true you wouldnt be able to exchange foreign currencies in america
    
    kakobrekla: btw jurov, its not 'bitcoin friendly' its 'too stupid to acknowledge'
    
    eyetalian: the compliance is simple you need to be registred as a MSB business + AML
    
    eyetalian: the license costs were too high for most broke bitcoiners in the past.
    
    eyetalian: now that its become more economical people are obtaining them
    
    eyetalian: infact you have a very high chance of being shut down in the european union imo
    
    eyetalian: if you operate an exchanger
    
    eyetalian: without licenses
    
    eyetalian: so its not just a US thing.
    
    jurov: we are not discussing that, only you insist on painting me as wanting to operate without licenses
    
    eyetalian: no you said the US isnt bitcoin friendly
    
    eyetalian: and i pointed out US areas have high ammounts of bitcoin business's
    
    jurov: we are discussing *how* easy is to have all these licenses in order
    
    kakobrekla: the US isnt anything friendly
    
    eyetalian: also bitpay is american
    
    jurov: uneasy = not friendly country. that's all
    
    eyetalian: its very easy to get the licenses IF you have the capital which is 5-10 million
    
    eyetalian: nobody was willing to risk that on bitcoin in the past.
    
    jurov: i know. it's late here, good night.
    
    eyetalian: now they are
    
    eyetalian: in 2010 2011 you would never earn enough revenues to cover the costs
    
    eyetalian: nor 2012
    
    jurov: hence, not friendly.
    
    
    
    mircea_popescu: let us revisit the good old days.
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3633 @ 0.00072477 = 2.6331 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00072659 = 10.4629 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00072683 = 2.0715 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0248895 = 0.0498 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00072844 = 6.1553 BTC [+] 
    
    KRS-1: I remember reading that
    
    KRS-1: who knew what this would turn into
    
    mircea_popescu: indeed.
    
    mircea_popescu: see you in june 2015
    
    KRS-1: heh i shall have to remember this moment actually..i've sobered up a bit.
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.02489 = 0.1245 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.02479 = 0.2479 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 198 @ 0.0248895 = 4.9281 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 21 @ 0.0248895 = 0.5227 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.02479 = 0.0992 BTC [+] 
    
    
    
    mircea_popescu: ok that's juicy.
    
    kakobrekla: omg
    
    kakobrekla: tpb now accepts ltc donations
    
    kakobrekla: whores.
    
    kakobrekla: ill send them a few new vagcoins.
    
    mircea_popescu: lol
    
    mircea_popescu: perobably nobody was paying in btc
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00072844 = 5.2083 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00072853 = 3.7884 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.02479 = 0.3719 BTC [+] 
    
    kakobrekla: 3. Besides that is required an audit for the entire bitfinex platform,
    
    kakobrekla: the platform tempered/adjusted twice, first with mister Tang and was
    
    kakobrekla: credited from him 150.000 USD, that he didn't deposit in his account,
    
    kakobrekla: the second time when mister Devasini was credited one million dollars,
    
    kakobrekla: money that he didn't have deposited in his account. Because of this I
    
    kakobrekla: cannot be sure if the current losses are real or not.
    
    kakobrekla: O_O
    
    mircea_popescu: i tell you it's good.
    
    Namworld: What, so what's happening over here?
    
    mircea_popescu: scammer tag truck
    
    Namworld: oh, Bitfinex I see.
    
    Namworld: I think I have 25$ in there. They can have it.
    
    Neil: Wow, 1 hr since a block was found.
    
    mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
    
    gribble: Time since last block: 58 minutes and 53 seconds
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.000799 BTC [+] 
    
    mod6: dang
    
    mircea_popescu: since the spring fork i can't see 1 hr blocks w/o thinking omfg don't tell me, again ?!
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.008568 BTC [+] 
    
    Neil: Funny how every time I send or receive BTC, confirmation time skyrockets
    
    ThickAsThieves: blockchain.info keeps crying wolf tho
    
    ThickAsThieves: so now i dont know what to think
    
    mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you mean ?
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 600 @ 0.0248895 = 14.9337 BTC [-] 
    
    mircea_popescu: Neil just because you're paranoid dones't mean the network isn't out to get you.
    
    ThickAsThieves: they have been hanging behind several times lately
    
    ThickAsThieves: you need to verify with another source
    
    mod6: ;;tslb
    
    gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 46 seconds
    
    mircea_popescu: yup i see it.
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2337 = 1.1685 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.28999 = 1.45 BTC [+] 
    
    furuknap: ;;tslb
    
    gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 29 seconds
    
    furuknap: ;;bc,stats
    
    gribble: Current Blocks: 239583 | Current Difficulty: 1.2153411709775832E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 239903 | Next Difficulty In: 320 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 13 hours, 49 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15263342.1331 | Estimated Percent Change: 25.58895
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02478 = 0.0496 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 26 @ 0.02478 = 0.6443 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.02478 = 0.0991 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.486 = 4.972 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.49799 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02479 BTC [+] 
    
    Diablo-D3: whats the division for TAT? 100?
    
    Namworld: Yeah
    
    Diablo-D3: so ~2.48 would be a good AM value?
    
    Diablo-D3: er, valuation
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.02479 = 0.5702 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0248895 = 0.2489 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2345 BTC [+] 
    
    thestringpuller: ;;seen mod6
    
    gribble: mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 47 minutes and 27 seconds ago: <mod6> ;;tslb
    
    thestringpuller: mod6 works too much
    
    thestringpuller: needs more bots
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4366 BTC [+] 
    
    furuknap: value != price.
    
    thestringpuller: So I had a dream about a movie or a story or something. I dunno, but it starred Leo or Matt Damon or some other white fucker who likes to act "deep". ANYHOW lemme know if this sounds familiar:
    
    thestringpuller: It's about this guy who discovers time travel somehow, he's given some magic words or something by a gypsy like figure, and he's allowed to bring one person with him or something. Anyhow he gets this info as his relationship with his current girlfriend/wife is deteriorating. So he goes back into time back into the 60's or so to the university where they met to try and alter the timeline. Anyhow he does this and r
    
    thestringpuller: wow putty :(
    
    ll: sounds like somehting i just saw an ad for
    
    thestringpuller: Probably
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02479 = 0.124 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.02475 = 0.1238 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.02450042 = 0.1225 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00180011 = 0.9001 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 31 @ 0.0018001 = 0.0558 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00180009 = 2.7001 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00180008 = 1.8001 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00180007 = 1.8001 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 15969 @ 0.00180006 = 28.7452 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.0248895 = 0.6222 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.02450042 = 0.1225 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.02479 = 0.1487 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 72 @ 0.02450042 = 1.764 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 123 @ 0.02450042 = 3.0136 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.02478 = 0.1735 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.02479 = 0.1735 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.02478 = 0.7434 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.0245 = 0.1715 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.02449 = 0.098 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.02439 = 0.8049 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02438 = 0.1219 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.024375 = 0.5119 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.02479 = 0.1487 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 2.8 = 11.2 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 2.85 = 14.25 BTC [+] 
    
    Neil: Bitbet needs more bets.  I have to feed by gambling addiciton somehow.
    
    kakobrekla: you can propose new ones
    
    kakobrekla: and earn some btc in while
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 8 @ 0.00079 = 0.0063 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 4 @ 0.000799 = 0.0032 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 8 @ 0.02489 = 0.1991 BTC [+] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.02451 = 0.1716 BTC [-] 
    
    assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.9 BTC [+]