Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2013-05-28 | 2013-05-30 → ↓
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 100 @ 0.198 = 19.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 208 @ 0.0252 = 5.2416 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02537 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.02535 = 0.2282 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 4 @ 0.008032 = 0.0321 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 27 @ 0.007067 = 0.1908 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.007066 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 10 @ 0.007 = 0.07 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.0063 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.005671 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.005055 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02534 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00074316 = 2.9726 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9406 @ 0.00074283 = 6.9871 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0252 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.565 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.565 = 10.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.02482 = 0.695 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.024811 = 0.4962 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 40 @ 0.0248 = 0.992 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0252 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0247 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.025319 = 0.1266 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.025318 = 0.2532 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 37 @ 0.025318 = 0.9368 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.024703 = 0.4941 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.024703 = 0.3952 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.30994 = 3.0994 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.56 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.0252 = 0.1764 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.64 = 4.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.025316 = 0.3797 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.025315 = 0.2278 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.5825 = 5.165 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.025315 = 0.2785 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025315 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.30993 = 1.2397 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.30993 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 179 @ 0.010908 = 1.9525 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.583 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00074232 = 3.7116 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5394 @ 0.0007424 = 4.0045 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.31941 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.584 = 5.168 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 50 @ 0.00064 = 0.032 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.025329 = 0.3546 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00259989 = 2.5999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.0026 = 1.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.02533 = 0.5066 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.1951 = 0.5853 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00273307 = 2.7331 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00273309 = 2.7331 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0027499 = 2.7499 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.01999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.025379 = 0.2284 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025379 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.002601 BTC [-]
dub: if you know something about bible you know bitcoin maybe it's 666 . maybe later you don't need a computer, just embed a chip into your hand ,. forehead , whatsoever,, and you can make a deal... holly crap.. if you want to survive in the future.. you gonna need this,, badly.. find many bitcoin for your future living... man . I am serious
dub: hey hey hey ,,this is 666 Satan's ultimate economic system.. if you wanna survive in the future have money to buy things you gonna need this. but also you can buy real sliver too, don't need this Satan damn shit thing thought .. we have to against them,, but you know,,the best hackers in the world can't even hack into them,, cause the logic is hard.. the password... etc... so what we can do is...nothing.. just pray for God.. you don't wanna live
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.024 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.024824 = 0.4965 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.024824 BTC [+]
Namworld: Are you high today, dub?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8333 @ 0.00074807 = 6.2337 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1405 @ 0.00074901 = 1.0524 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.568 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.63999 = 1.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02537 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.025349 = 0.507 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.02535 = 0.2789 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.002695 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 7 @ 0.1951 = 1.3657 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.025349 = 0.1267 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.024951 = 0.1248 BTC [-]
ericmuyser: dub: dem some powerful drugs mate
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.024815 = 0.8685 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.02535 = 0.7605 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 46 @ 0.02538 = 1.1675 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.1951 = 0.3902 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.025369 = 0.1268 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02537 = 0.1269 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 93 @ 0.000639 = 0.0594 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.549 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.002694 = 0.0054 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 8 @ 0.002694 = 0.0216 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.025379 = 0.5076 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.02519998 = 0.0756 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.02519998 = 0.1764 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.520001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02537 = 0.1269 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.025 = 0.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.025379 = 0.3807 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 95 @ 0.02538 = 2.4111 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02538 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00074901 = 10.0367 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.025379 = 0.1015 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 34 @ 0.025379 = 0.8629 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.02538 = 0.0761 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00074901 = 27.7883 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.02538 = 0.1015 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 95 @ 0.0251 = 2.3845 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02538 BTC [+]
usagi: lol 666
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.02511 = 0.1004 BTC [-]
usagi: 666 is 0.999 fine gold == money
usagi: money is the devil
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.0251 = 0.3765 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 68 @ 0.025011 = 1.7007 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.30993 = 0.9298 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02517 = 0.1259 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.024905 = 0.0747 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 44 @ 0.024903 = 1.0957 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.024902 = 0.0747 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 93 @ 0.0249 = 2.3157 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.53 = 5.06 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 154 @ 0.0249 = 3.8346 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.545 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02535 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.543 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02535 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.4999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.00074901 = 0.6741 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.02482 = 0.4219 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.533 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.529999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.7249 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02515 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 67 @ 0.0252 = 1.6884 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: zup all, i miss any drama whill away?
Chaang-Noi: fastcash4bitcoins seems dead?
Chaang-Noi: is assbot dead?
Chaang-Noi: this chan is dead dead
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.02523 = 0.3028 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: there we go
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 205 @ 0.0252 = 5.166 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 492 @ 0.025225 = 12.4107 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.5279 = 7.5837 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.528 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 1 @ 0.749 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.02523 = 0.4541 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.02524 = 0.4291 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4394 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 8 @ 0.025225 = 0.2018 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.4395 = 1.758 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 182 @ 0.02524 = 4.5937 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.024901 = 0.498 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0249 = 0.0498 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02485 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 55 @ 0.024818 = 1.365 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 60 @ 0.024815 = 1.4889 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.024814 = 0.3722 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 40 @ 0.02524 = 1.0096 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.7249 BTC [+]
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: im expecting AM divs between 0.02 and 0.03 per share, think im far off the mark?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.02524 = 0.2524 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025238 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 72 @ 0.02524 = 1.8173 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 423 @ 0.002724 = 1.1523 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02524 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0029 = 0.29 BTC [+]
deadweasel: ;;ticker --last
gribble: 129.00001
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 151 @ 0.02524 = 3.8112 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 30 @ 0.30994 = 9.2982 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: fiat500 i agree but i would say closer to .02 than .03
fiat500: even factoring in the usb miner sales that were excluded last week?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 3 @ 0.00068 = 0.002 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 19 @ 0.02524 = 0.4796 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: iv not done the math but my guess would be .024
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1442 @ 0.0029 = 4.1818 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0034 = 0.0068 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.00344 = 0.0138 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 47 @ 0.003444 = 0.1619 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 68 @ 0.003445 = 0.2343 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.528 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5295 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 2.5299 = 25.299 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.53 = 7.59 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.53 = 10.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 2.531 = 15.186 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.639999 = 3.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0252 = 0.1008 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.53 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.0252 = 0.2268 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.000639 = 0.0013 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 129.10002, Best ask: 129.39000, Bid-ask spread: 0.28998, Last trade: 129.10001, 24 hour volume: 16707.74643501, 24 hour low: 125.40000, 24 hour high: 129.87900, 24 hour vwap: 128.18312
mircea_popescu: ahh, two months of stability, this is so very cool.
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
gribble: 100058.590916
ThickAsThieves: <fiat500> ThickAsThieves: im expecting AM divs between 0.02 and 0.03 per share, think im far off the mark? <<< Fairly impossible to say. Last week the nethash was at 80000, and AM only sold its first batch of USBs. My hope is that extra 20000 in hashing is from blade sales, and that the USB sales have picked up to 5000+. It's also always possible that Friedcat retains a div for new
ThickAsThieves: hardware.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0251 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: anyone know if friedcat has moved any shares recently?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 95 @ 0.025 = 2.375 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i've been waiting like 5 days for an email response
Chaang-Noi: okay so im not the only one
Chaang-Noi: yeah has been 5 days for me as well
Chaang-Noi: i was not going to bother him about it
Chaang-Noi: im sure he is busy
Chaang-Noi: also for anyone who has not heard fastcash4bitcoins is down, and down hard
Chaang-Noi: no idea why
Chaang-Noi: was nice to see AM solo mine 4 blocs in a row
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 4 @ 0.1999 = 0.7996 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 425 @ 0.000639 = 0.2716 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 950 @ 0.00064 = 0.608 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 17 @ 0.000699 = 0.0119 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 10 @ 0.000744 = 0.0074 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.53 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.000744 = 0.0015 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.53 = 5.06 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.531 = 5.062 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.531 = 5.062 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 4 @ 0.44 = 1.76 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 6 @ 0.45 = 2.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00269 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 115 @ 0.00269 = 0.3094 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1796 @ 0.002694 = 4.8384 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.025169 = 0.4279 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.025169 = 0.0503 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02517 = 0.0503 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02543 BTC [+]
pigeons: I just got a solicitation from Matthew N. Wright for a conference he is organizing in Amsterdam.
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how running Silk Road is going for them
pigeons: damn mircea_popescu you are right about these conference organizer people
pigeons: bruce wagner had a conference, we had the intersangro one with nefario, the last one was sponsered by vessenes and now matthew n wright
mircea_popescu: you know i also had one.
pigeons: lol
mircea_popescu: mine however was ciuuuuuulll
mircea_popescu: cause it wasn't in schiuuuuullll
Chaang-Noi: dont forget supernode
mircea_popescu: i wonder what cartman would say of bitcoinz.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 500 @ 0.0027 = 1.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 29 @ 0.00271 = 0.0786 BTC [+]
fiat500: well then..
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00298 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: pigeons going to amsterdam? :)
Chaang-Noi: i doubt i will get the invite
fiat500: democratizing the porn industry, i like it
pigeons: no, i would be suprised if that guy has enough credibility left to run a conference
pigeons: i saw bitcoin magazine at the barnes & noble yesterday, i passed
Chaang-Noi: he and vlad got kicked out for stealing funds
Chaang-Noi: bitcoin mag is now run and payed for by i think bitinstant
pigeons: yes i'm familiar
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5355 BTC [+]
pigeons: not bitinstant, bitpay
Chaang-Noi: right
pigeons: tony and giga and crew
ThickAsThieves: kinda funny
ThickAsThieves: theymos brags he can circumvent adblocker repeatedly, and fails
Chaang-Noi: its like he chalanged then
Chaang-Noi: them*
ThickAsThieves: and also told them how he was doing it
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5355 BTC [+]
fiat500: does anyone like theymos?
ThickAsThieves: ive never dealt with him
fiat500: i dont know him, but ive yet to see anything positive said about him
Chaang-Noi: i do not trust him (he has fucked me over more than once), however as a site admin he seems fine
ThickAsThieves: i imagine it's not easy to be liked when you're the focal point of a forum
ThickAsThieves: and a forum full of trolls, socks, scammers, noobs, etc
fiat500: how did he get one of the signing keys
Chaang-Noi: as a site admin i have no problem with how he runs the forum over all, (some people do) however personally i think he is an opertunist scammer who should not be trsuted
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5358 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: selling glbse shares right before he knew it was worthless is one example
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.5359 = 5.0718 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: that sounds smart to me
fiat500: insider trading lulz
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.5355 = 7.6065 BTC [-]
Scrat: theymos should no longer be the btctalk admin
ThickAsThieves: who should be?
Chaang-Noi: i thought that once he was caught reading pms
Chaang-Noi: but oh well
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5359 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: 70.34.195.202 is this the real site?
Scrat: read the first line
Scrat: and laugh
Chaang-Noi: or just a scam to get passowrds?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4397 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: fiat500 he's a kid, doing okay on the freedom of speech angle, i don't mind him
Scrat: he has been stonewalling this "forum software" for 20 months now
mircea_popescu: he got mixed up in the glbse implosion, got out on his word, hopefully it's his last dubious point.
ThickAsThieves: we got +trust feature
ThickAsThieves: that's only forum dev i've seen
Scrat: as if anyone should be making their own forum software
Scrat: what a fucking joke
mircea_popescu: Scrat he has about half a million dollars to do it.
mircea_popescu: phpbb never did.
mircea_popescu: course, it's a waste of resourcves, the forum problem is mostly resolved, and not worth money in any event.
Scrat: phpbb is horrible
ThickAsThieves: however, i dont like how he sells his ads
ThickAsThieves: forum auction for ads is retarded
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.02543 = 0.1017 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: how do you build partnerships that way?
ThickAsThieves: and how can people trust the bids
Chaang-Noi: he is forcing everyone to use his trust list be default
mircea_popescu: how would the forum build partnerships anyway.
Chaang-Noi: i do not agree with this
mircea_popescu: that's a bad idea.
Chaang-Noi: i also dont like him giving info to the police unless they have a warrent but he does that as well
ThickAsThieves: he could simply have a publishe rate
ThickAsThieves: published
ThickAsThieves: and raise it as necessary
mircea_popescu: well sure.
ThickAsThieves: then he could cross promote with advertising partners that make longer term commitments
ThickAsThieves: so he can go back to dev or whatever
mircea_popescu: then he'd get associated wit hthem. this model sunk the magazine
mircea_popescu: (on top of the ineptitude of those involved, sure0
pigeons: they could partner with bfl...
ThickAsThieves: they practicaloly have
ThickAsThieves: BFL won the ads so many times
ThickAsThieves: and scammed so many people thanks to theymos
mircea_popescu: yeah. if they had a partnership that'd be it.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 58 @ 0.016899 = 0.9801 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: not sure itd be any different really
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 393 @ 0.02543 = 9.994 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0169 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: for all we know they did collude
ThickAsThieves: to have BFL win
pigeons: you're so grumpy ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: not usually
mircea_popescu: well for all we know is a weak arguyment in btc
ThickAsThieves: i just think the bidding for ads thing is more appropriate for unrepresented ads
mircea_popescu: for all we know you're my mom and erik is pumping dice etc etc
ThickAsThieves: like Google Adwords
pigeons: your mom is the whale
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.02543 = 0.0763 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0254 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: healthy skepticism
ThickAsThieves: i'm surprised i turned out to be the tinfoiler in here
ThickAsThieves: new hat for me
mircea_popescu: well its cause you're new
mircea_popescu: usually new people are the tinfoilers
mircea_popescu: (nothing wron with it)
Chaang-Noi: speaking of tinfoil fastcash is down sota
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.02543 = 0.1017 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01699 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02517 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: what is the best way to wipe a file in linux?
fiat500: delete file, overwrite all free space several times
fiat500: can be done with standard gnu software
Scrat: which if you're using an SSD is useless btw
fiat500: ssd: delete file.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 500 @ 0.000745 = 0.3725 BTC [+]
topace: dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda :p wipe your whole drive :p
Scrat: file vs. entire drive
Scrat: some disks do LBA translation
Scrat: SSDs always do LBA translation
usagi: "The ATA includes the Secure Erase command, which is implemented in all hard drives manufactured after 2001." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srm_%28Unix%29
pigeons: copy everything you need "to the cloud" and then use hammer
fiat500: lmao
Diablo-D3: so guys
Diablo-D3: how are people selling bitcoins now?
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 129.48990, Best ask: 129.48995, Bid-ask spread: 0.00005, Last trade: 129.48995, 24 hour volume: 15505.22792168, 24 hour low: 125.40000, 24 hour high: 129.77000, 24 hour vwap: 128.22300
ThickAsThieves: in what country?
Scrat: now is the time to release diablocoin
Diablo-D3: in the US
Scrat: eclipse all the other shitty altcoins
pigeons: tonal diablocoin
ThickAsThieves: coinbase, campbx
Chaang-Noi: pigeons> copy everything you need "to the cloud" and then use hammer :)
Scrat: tonal diablocoin if you're into BDSM yes
Chaang-Noi: awesome :)
Diablo-D3: isnt dwolla getting rid of all bitcoin exchanges?
ThickAsThieves: seems to be healthy with campbx
ThickAsThieves: coinbase does ACH
ThickAsThieves: and Ukto is hinting that Weex will do ACH soon
ThickAsThieves: coinbase is the simplest, only requiring checking account verification with test deposits
fiat500: bulbul investments? lol
ThickAsThieves: campbx requires full KYC if you wanna do decently sized tx
fiat500: is campbx run by arabs?
ThickAsThieves: i forget the nationality of the owner
ThickAsThieves: pretty sure he's middle eastern
fiat500: bulbul is arabic for songbird
fiat500: interesting
pigeons: mtgox is run by jews and btce are black
pigeons: share buyback complete?
Diablo-D3: has nothing to do with DMC
fiat500: Diablo-D3: i know someone who wants 80btc worth
mjr_: you guys, how can i get my app to have charts and graphs and all the things
Diablo-D3: how many btc can I sell on coinbase without triggering KVC
fiat500: mjr_: there are dozens of js charting frameworks
pigeons: that's "structuring"
Diablo-D3: mjr_: get one that uses D3, theres several
fiat500: Diablo-D3: you can sell 50btc per day/month
fiat500: if you are selling that many, dont use coinbase
ThickAsThieves: diablo, i dunno if/when coinbase requires KYC, they only use ACH so maybe it's not needed.
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: ahh
Diablo-D3: fiat500: why not?
ThickAsThieves: btw CampBx recently got their MSB
mjr_: fiat500: i know, mostly an amir taaki joke
fiat500: Diablo-D3: 50btc limit
Diablo-D3: if its 50btc per month, I can just sell 50btc per month
fiat500: LMFAO what a coincidence
fiat500: i just got an email
fiat500: "Good news. You can now buy and sell more bitcoin on Coinbase."
fiat500: they just increased my limit
Diablo-D3: nice
fiat500: weird, they said it would take 30 days after the first purchase, its only been 1 week
mjr_: coinbase actually was really cool about some bug they had
mjr_: nice guys
fiat500: Diablo-D3: actually its 50btc/day
fiat500: very reasonable then
fiat500: Diablo-D3: if you are selling that many, would you be interested in selling 80 to a colleague of mine?
Scrat: why you cashing out D3
fiat500: hah, it wasnt a coincidence, they have a bug - simply visiting https://coinbase.com/verifications causes you to get an email letting you know your limits have been increased
Scrat: lol
mircea_popescu: "experts".
mircea_popescu: somebody should write the book of humiliating VCs.
fiat500: to be fair mircea_popescu, this is a pretty harmless bug :P
mircea_popescu: depends. harmless, in what sense ?
fiat500: its just a redundant email informing you of a change that already happened
fiat500: no change to account state occurs because of it
mircea_popescu: these are unequal concepts. a bug is a bug in any definition. it may only be harmless for some definitions of harm
mircea_popescu: which one may or may not agree on. so no bug can be truly harmless.
Scrat: fiat500: no because it shows you that they couldn't handle simple things like that
mircea_popescu: there you go.
fiat500: ive seen worth things from google, you guys use google right? lol
fiat500: *worse
[\]: <pigeons> share buyback complete? << is DMC being wound down?
Scrat: well google is broad. if youtube spews out errors I could care less
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025199 BTC [+]
Scrat: this is about money. have you seen all these threads wrt coinbase negative balances?
mircea_popescu: Scrat they never manned up to that lol.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.53589 = 5.0718 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 2.5359 = 15.2154 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.536 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 2.537 = 25.37 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: [\\\] from what i understand,yes.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0251 = 0.1004 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 6 @ 0.00298 = 0.0179 BTC [+]
[\]: oh look, someone's editing live css on bitcointalk
[\]: let's not use staging guys
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.538 BTC [+]
[\]: just edit live code
ThickAsThieves: mtgox.org trap
Scrat: oh shit
Scrat: mah coinz
fiat500: idiots for not reserving the main tlds
Scrat: [\\\]: what makes you say that
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.0251 = 0.4016 BTC [-]
[\]: Scrat: what makes me say what?
[\]: editing live code?
[\]: it looks like shit at the moment
[\]: someone's editing stuff and screwed something up
[\]: meh
Scrat: always looked like shit so I can't see the difference
[\]: for a while, the header wasn't laying out correctly
[\]: the 'new' icon was showing as crappy text, etc
mircea_popescu: lol scrat
thestringpuller: hey mp did you get my pm lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 40 @ 0.025199 = 1.008 BTC [+]
mjr_: hi
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 37 @ 0.025199 = 0.9324 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025199 BTC [+]
pigeons: mircea_popescu: did your girl watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYzXNhk3Vjw
mircea_popescu: what is it ?
kakobrekla: princess taaki
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.318999 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: cant watch it
kakobrekla: too painful
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.00296 = 0.0059 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do you do if a chick thinks your earwax tastes great ?!
kakobrekla: try it out for yourself?
mircea_popescu: its not bad but i mean... wtf.
Chaang-Noi: .04plus not bad at all
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 55 @ 0.025239 = 1.3881 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025249 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.538 BTC [+]
usagi: Why is Amir Taaki on TV and I'm not?
usagi: I mean come on, I've been on TV before, I was in a few asian soap operas, at least I'm photogenic
usagi: They keep putting people like keples and taaki on TV...
ThickAsThieves: Goat, is that div verified?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 70 @ 0.02543 = 1.7801 BTC [+]
usagi: Taaki was the wrong person to put on crosstalk, he's a good speaker but clearly untrained in debate
mjr_: he was on crosstalk?
mjr_: did he talk about the charts and graphs and all the things?
Chaang-Noi: TAT not at all
Chaang-Noi: i was trolled
ThickAsThieves: big buy on gox
usagi: god taaki is getting murdered on crosstalk
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 128.90000, Best ask: 129.22581, Bid-ask spread: 0.32581, Last trade: 129.22581, 24 hour volume: 13643.33032007, 24 hour low: 126.00000, 24 hour high: 129.77000, 24 hour vwap: 128.54519
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 43 @ 0.025249 = 1.0857 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.538 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02525 = 0.0505 BTC [+]
usagi: At least we have Max Keiser...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.538 BTC [+]
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: i hear divs are going to be 0.8/share
ThickAsThieves: this Ed guy in this video is pretty absurd
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 7 @ 0.193 = 1.351 BTC [-]
fiat500: fuck it im out
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 67 @ 0.19201 = 12.8647 BTC [-]
fiat500: fuck you unicorns
usagi: out of what
fiat500: yep
kakobrekla: fuck you dolphins!
kakobrekla: fuck you whale!
fiat500: LOL
fiat500: especially whale
usagi: Dolphins are good though. They like to play in the water.
usagi: i guarantee you that you will never see that daniel guy on tv ever again
ericmuyser: amir... wtf
jcpham: but unicorns
fiat500: sigh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.02543 = 0.0509 BTC [+]
fiat500: any btct admins around
jcpham: amir was on crosstalk?!?!?
fiat500: trying to withdraw 14btc and im in manual processing purgatory
ThickAsThieves: pm Burnside on the forums
mjr_: isn't that a super old video?
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: i cant pm anyone on the forums
ThickAsThieves: you just gotta wait man
mjr_: or this a newer one?
jcpham: oh is it
jcpham: i know he's bad on video
fiat500: blargh, i will wait
jcpham: i was hoping it didn't happen again but if it's new i want to lol at it
ThickAsThieves: "The world economy is the United States" says Dan
mjr_: yeah i am reading on the forum, and these guys are right, they like watching amir kinda get crazy and ranty...
mjr_: erik voorhees, trace meyer or jon matonis would have stomped the other guys easily
fiat500: who is this amir you guys keep talking about
mjr_: he started intersango
usagi: Well at least Erik is reliable
mjr_: Erik is probably one of the top 5 smartest guys in bitcoin
mjr_: in my humble opinion
mjr_: mircea is also in that group
usagi: Sure, he's a smart guy
ThickAsThieves: oops Ed said that, not Dan
ThickAsThieves: "The world economy is the United States" says Ed
usagi: Should probably hire a better PR though
mjr_: if you read what he wrote about bitcoin as money, it was the perfect piece to explain bitcoin from a historical financial perspective
usagi: link?
mjr_: http://evoorhees.blogspot.com/2013/05/bitcoin-2013-role-of-bitcoin-as-money.html
usagi: Have you read "A History of Money and Banking in the United States"?
mjr_: he makes things that are not taught in school seem fresh and relevant, and most importantly understandable to dumb americans
mjr_: he typically says what he says in a calm collected way
usagi: "And so, much of our lives is spent searching and grasping for something we don’t understand." -- this is very true. People have $20 in their pocket for most of their lives so they think they understand money, and they really don't.
mjr_: usagi: this is my point, he is reexamining what people take as already understood, showing it is not understood, and then enlightening, all while using a great vocabulary and grammar...he is explaining water to fish
mjr_: he uses cold logic and reason
usagi: "In absence of a proper education, most assume that society just arbitrarily decided to make gold money, and that any other commodity would have worked roughly as well. " This ewasn't mircea's talk
mjr_: its almost impossible to dispute his points because his laying of the logical framework is concise and clear
mjr_: usagi: it was erik voorhee's talk at bitcoin 22013
mjr_: 2013 of course
usagi: Hmm, erik wrote this?
mjr_: yep
usagi: I have a vast and newfound respect for the man
mjr_: there you go
usagi: I thought he was just some guy who ran satoshidice ^^
mjr_: lol
mjr_: you probably would appreciate the rest of his posts too. his posts on "redistribution" are very good
mjr_: i had issues with "libertarianism" or whatever
mjr_: but actually, i think it makes sense
mjr_: i was worried about the social implications, i think everyone should have a guaranteed bare minimum quality of life
usagi: If you really want to understand money, read mises.. "a history of money and banking..." great book
mjr_: i do not want to live in a society where people are allowed to starve to death on the streets
mjr_: usagi: i will take a look at that
fiat500: "And it cannot be manipulated, restricted, or seized by any central party (shares this property with gold). Nobody has special privileges. In this way, it is very democratic, and very egalitarian. "
fiat500: if china seizes asicminer assets, they can take over the network
mjr_: maybe temporarily
fiat500: temporarily enough to destroy it
deadweasel: to fork it
usagi: mjr_ I don't know. The truth is, if you look at the people who end up starving on the streets a great majority of them cannot be helped by any system
deadweasel: not destroy it
mjr_: but after all, its the idea that will survive, though i have high hopes for bitcoin, it may not be the ultimate winner
usagi: I spent a long time living on the streets, and all I learned can be summed up as... the cream always rises to the top, and, you can't keep a good man down
deadweasel: i would feel like real twat if it turned out to be bbqcoin
usagi: People starve to death because they are essentially worthless.. that is the 95% case
mjr_: usagi: i agree
mjr_: but the issue is not their starving
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2993 @ 0.00074441 = 2.228 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00073965 = 0.8876 BTC [-]
mjr_: its my uncomfortability watching that
mjr_: i derive value by not seeing that
mjr_: and people rarely die quietly
mjr_: they will try to take people with them
deadweasel: i don't think anyone should have guaranteed anything. I think people should live right, and that would all take care of itself.
usagi: Who was it that said, it is the right to the bathroom. When you have too many people, you no longer have the right to use the bathroom for as long as you want
usagi: I believe it was in albert bartlett's talk
usagi: You know, having a heart is probably going to turn out to be a weakness one day, mjr
usagi: it's probably going to get you killed
mjr_: lol
mjr_: its not about having a heart
mjr_: its about rational self interest
mjr_: if keeping people fed costs less than hiring a private army to protect your wealth it is rational to keep people fed
mjr_: so far, this has been the case
mjr_: people need to see the broad view of value, understand that no one wants to live in a mansion in a ghetto
mjr_: 3 most important rules of real estate...
mjr_: location, location, location
mjr_: its the network effect
mjr_: i want to live in a nice area, surrounded by others who live in a nice area, where i am safe from threat of theft and physical harm
usagi: yes
mjr_: so, bums harrassing me for change is not my idea of a good time
usagi: Stay out of the city
mjr_: lol, new york city is the best
usagi: You can see it coming on every streetcorner, and now, along the streets
mjr_: to me, the only place to live in the US
mjr_: but anyway, the point is that you want to build a society that is great, not a house that is great
mjr_: andrew carnegie, j pierpont morgan, john d rockefeller, they understood this
mjr_: which is why they volunteered their money towards those efforts
mjr_: would someone say they were not capitalist? were they retarded?
mjr_: they seem to have done ok for themselves
usagi: Well that was a vastly different time
mjr_: but all the robber barons donated a LOT to charity
mjr_: think of it this way
mjr_: how do the rich get rich
mjr_: every dollar they have, if obtained legally, came from someone else who willingly parted with it in exchange for some service or good
mjr_: so they are as rich as they have done things that benefitted peple
mjr_: people
mjr_: so...in order for them to get the dollars that others wanted to give them, they have to HAVE others with dollars
mjr_: the tale of king midas was a cautionary tale, too many forget that
usagi: oh, king midas... i read about that one. I forget the moral
mjr_: lol, you starve to death alone and unloved, but shit tons of gold
mjr_: sound fun?
mjr_: money is not important in and of itself, its the things that money can get you
usagi: I think it was 'money does not buy happiness'
mjr_: which are typically created by other people
mjr_: have you ever been to a dry county in america?
mjr_: your money can't get you an alcoholic beverage
usagi: Not sure what you mean. I can buy anything anywhere in america
mjr_: you can have millions of dollars in the bank, if you have no cash and walk into a cash only restaurant, you're broke
mjr_: you can't buy liquor in a dry county in america
deadweasel: usagi not true, dry counties, local laws prevent LARD from being sold in some places. Raw milk farmer raided in maine last week.
mjr_: yes, trans fat in new york city is another example
mjr_: etc etc etc
usagi: Mmm
mjr_: point is, unless you feel like by yourself producing everything you will ever want, its a good idea for other people to have money
mjr_: and produce things that you will want
mjr_: so if we establish that others are necessary, and no man is an island, it stands to reason that the best society is the one with the most productive members
mjr_: and due to the network effect, we all gain more than just the sum of our production
usagi: The parable of the grasshopper and the ant is more applicable to this, I feel.
usagi: The grasshopper was the one who ordered around the ants all day, and in the end the ants shut him out.
mjr_: so a homeless guy is not only an affront to my sense of decency and aesthetics, its also robbing me of what he could have produced
deadweasel: Bitfunder: Graet.Loan
usagi: But I feel there are much deeper problems to this, homelessness/vagrant problem
mjr_: the main point that i took away was that the pie is not fixed in size, none of the things we have now were found in a forest, we built them, man creates wealth, not finds it
deadweasel: anybody know anything? .05% daily
usagi: deadweasel; I own a couple thousand shares
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.000749 BTC [+]
usagi: it looks good.
mjr_: slightly better yield than namworlds
usagi: graet runs ozcoin and weexchange and a few others
mjr_: ;;calc .05*365
gribble: 18.25
mjr_: that doesn't take into account compounding
usagi: compounding is 20.0%
mjr_: and who knows what the risk free rate is in bitcoin land anyway
usagi: no such thing as risk free :)
mjr_: yes, but there is such a thing as a risk free rate
mjr_: which is the generally accepted best class of investment closest to risk free
usagi: Even with negative interest rates you don't have risk free.
mjr_: i agree
mjr_: but we have a "risk free rate"
mjr_: which is a specific term
mjr_: its not without risk, the same way that breakfast cereal is not without rat turds
mjr_: but there is a rate we agree upon where we will consider it to be rat turd free
usagi: i thought those were prizes
mjr_: hahaha
mjr_: so, i think that charitability is not incompatible with self interest
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0251 BTC [-]
usagi: So then it's settled. You can give money to vagrants.
mjr_: i always could
mjr_: i don't think i will get the return i'm looking for
mjr_: if someone could channel and use the tons of homeless people we have towards a purpose they could become very rich
kakobrekla: king midas got off easy.
mjr_: how much money would it take for you to be ok with never having sex again?
mjr_: lol, never having food again?
usagi: Well, everything king midas touched turned to gold, it's clear he was unable to have sex or even touch himself
deadweasel: depends, could I fap?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.539 = 7.617 BTC [+]
usagi: so we could start with everything I touch turns to gold for starters
kakobrekla: but his touch was reversed
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 12 @ 2.54 = 30.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.54 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.02525 = 0.5303 BTC [+]
usagi: i didn't read about that
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.54 = 10.16 BTC [+]
usagi: According to Aristotle, legend held that Midas died of hunger as a result of his "vain prayer" for the gold touch.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.54 = 5.08 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02525 BTC [+]
mjr_: its a myth, it has a ton of different endings i'm sure
mjr_: but whether he lives or dies, the gold touch was a curse not a blessing
kakobrekla: i just watched a scam ending then
usagi: to what end I wonder
kakobrekla: the touch was reversed and he could buttsex his daughter again
fiat500: rofl
Scrat: son*
usagi: The original king midas committed suicide by drinking bull's blood.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02525 = 0.1263 BTC [+]
mjr_: anyways, this is why hoarding will never work as a long term strategy
mjr_: because like midas, it becomes worthless to have all of something
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.63999 = 1.28 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.64 = 1.92 BTC [+]
mjr_: because the currency if not actually standing in place for something else that you want, is really worth nothing
kakobrekla: example: ripple
kakobrekla: oh wait!
ThickAsThieves: Dividends for TAT.AM shares are all paid out except for BTCTC, which is scheduled. Payout is 0.00025211 per share.
Chaang-Noi: i heart AM
usagi: 0.025 per AM huh. Another banner yield
Chaang-Noi: 0.02653753
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.539 = 5.078 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: he takes 5% or so
fiat500: next week is going to be worse
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.54 = 5.08 BTC [+]
fiat500: <0.02
Chaang-Noi: unless we get up to 45% of the network
usagi: Oh of course, it won't last forever, the market knows that or it would be 4BTC now
topace: !ticker h asicm
assbot: [HAVELOCK:ASICM] 1D: 0.02430000 / 0.0250097 / 0.02543000 (7818 shares, 195.52584850 BTC), 7D: 0.02110000 / 0.02512687 / 0.02765000 (80743 shares, 2028.81857870 BTC), 30D: 0.01290000 / 0.02100759 / 0.03000000 (258249 shares, 5425.18959427 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: can anyone confirm to me if they got their TAT.AM divs on BTCTC?
Chaang-Noi: from just what we mine, at this level i think its .016ish per share so really over .02 next week should not be all that hard
Chaang-Noi: i sold all mine TAT sorry
mircea_popescu: thius is pretty cool, -assets econ class.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.539 BTC [-]
mjr_: lol
usagi: mjr said you were in the top five smartest people in the community.
mjr_: i actually think the dumbest people in the bitcoin space have to be a little smarter than the average american when it comes to economics
mjr_: but yes, mircea_popescu is in the top 5
mjr_: of which i only named 2
ericmuyser: mjr_: or they like teh hashish
usagi: You didn't name me, of course.
mjr_: well, you seem smart
mjr_: but i don't really know you very well
usagi: i'm not top 5 material.
usagi: top 200, sure
mjr_: and haven't listened to enough to make my own judgement, though it is just my opinion we are talking about
mjr_: so, its not some definitive metric
mjr_: just the people who are very impressive to one internet nobody
usagi: well if it helps, I am a fully enlightened zen master.
usagi: That has to count for something :>
mjr_: that does count for some mjr points
mircea_popescu: im in the who ?
usagi: oh I should tell you that mircea has had me on ignore for almost an entire year so he doesn't know what I said
mjr_: mircea_popescu: i just said that erik voorhees, and you are in my opinion in the top 5 smartest people in the bitcoin space
mjr_: i haven't actually come up with the other 3 yet, but they obviously exist
mircea_popescu: gavin for sure.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how he manages not to explode, drowned in a barrel of idiots
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 11 @ 0.02539 = 0.2793 BTC [-]
mjr_: and it was only my opinion as one guy who has observed, but yeah, gavin probably gets one of the spots, mike hearn too
mircea_popescu: on a ship afloat a sea of idiots
mjr_: thats two tech guys, two business/finance guys
mjr_: who is the 5th
usagi: Theymos? :>
mjr_: LOL, it came up specifically due to amir taaki's interview
mjr_: on crosstalk
mjr_: because i said that jon matonis, trace meyer, or erik would have destroyed that ed guy
mircea_popescu: but anyway : mpoe-pr
fiat500: 16:00 < mircea_popescu> on a ship afloat a sea of idiots
fiat500: AHAHAHAHAHAH
mircea_popescu: so it's not the "smartest five fags in btc"
fiat500: priceless quote
mjr_: while amir just kinda looked his usual way, though maybe better than last time i suppose
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.02539 = 0.1777 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02539 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02539 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: next can we pick the bitcoin mohhamed ?
mjr_: mircea_popescu: while i think mpoe-pr is very smart, i don't know if most would see that, while she brilliantly can eviscerate others ideas, rarely does she posit her own, and as a PR person, its not really her job to do so, but rather to point at others who have done
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 43 @ 0.02525 = 1.0858 BTC [+]
usagi: mircea's biggest blind spot is that he and mpoe-pr do not understand PR at all.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02525 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4397 BTC [+]
truff1es: lmao
fiat500: i thought the union was identical to the intersection? :P
usagi: Erik voorhoes understands PR.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0253 = 0.1012 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the subject is now wheelbarrows.
mjr_: anyways, this all started because erik's talk on the attribute-based theory of money
usagi: Bitcoin has been compared to digital gold before
truff1es: erik should be PR
mjr_: which he may have made clear enough for some above average americans to understand
truff1es: he's difused enough of their b.s.
usagi: He should. if Erik was MPOE-PR things would be a lot better
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.549 = 5.098 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: yeah, the kid is smart.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.02539 = 0.0762 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 2.54999 = 12.75 BTC [+]
mjr_: mircea_popescu: its not just that he's smart, he is smart enough to explain it to dumb people, thats the hard part
truff1es: he's a kid?
truff1es: haha
mjr_: i believe einstein said that
mjr_: if you're young at heart
mjr_: i suppose
truff1es: doubt thats what was meant
mircea_popescu: da fuck is that you tell me ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 14 @ 0.02539 = 0.3555 BTC [+]
usagi: I was really sad that the aliens exist bet got badbetted
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu, ya but its not in color
kakobrekla: aw fuck
kakobrekla: its red.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.551 = 7.653 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.552 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: you know what that means
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 36 @ 0.02511 = 0.904 BTC [-]
pizzaman1337: "Better than Satoshidice, only 1% fee."
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025267 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.549 = 5.098 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.549999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: well ya but you gotta wait a few weeks
ericmuyser: when u coulda had your satoshi in asicminer sitting on sweet divs
usagi: Hmmmmmm
usagi: Kakobrekla did you really allow that bet?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 137 @ 0.0251 = 3.4387 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.0251 = 0.2259 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: i dont touch that part
Diablo-D3: back
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.02527 = 0.0758 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: [10:02:15] <Scrat> why you cashing out D3
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.02521 = 0.0756 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: Scrat: because I might need it for DMC 2.0
Diablo-D3: [10:02:03] <fiat500> Diablo-D3: if you are selling that many, would you be interested in selling 80 to a colleague of mine?ç
Diablo-D3: why?
Chaang-Noi: i see nothing wrong with allowing that bet, i find it sell however to bet on it
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.02521 = 0.2773 BTC [-]
fiat500: Diablo-D3: never mind i found another seller :)
Chaang-Noi: silly*
fiat500: the question of why is irrelevant i think, anyway
usagi: Well, you could bet on the side with the least money maybe
fiat500: the guy wants to buy btc, do you want to examine his motives? lol
usagi: like if its 13 to 10, bet on the 10 side
usagi: It is a 'betting' site
Chaang-Noi: yeah fair enough
usagi: What purer form of bet is there than a coin toss? :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.025269 = 0.0758 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0252 BTC [-]
usagi: I should probably buy more shares now
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0251 = 0.1004 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0251 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: diablo only sells to guys with hot gfs.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.025 = 0.375 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.02495 = 0.0998 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02495 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 373 @ 0.0249 = 9.2877 BTC [-]
fiat500: sell sell sell
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 217 @ 0.0249 = 5.4033 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.02511 = 0.1004 BTC [+]
fiat500: its actually smarter to sell before divs are issued, usually the peak point for the price
Chaang-Noi: that is what i did last time
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.565 = 5.13 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: got off more than a few around 2.7
topace: dividends are alreayd released on havelock
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.566 = 5.132 BTC [+]
topace: for ascim
fiat500: topace: but this selling is on btct
fiat500: (what i was talking about)
topace: heh cant help it btct is slow :p
fiat500: blame ThickAsThieves :P
Chaang-Noi: we do!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.02502 = 0.05 BTC [-]
fiat500: topace: can i get API access to havelock tickers somehow? im building a (free) data aggregator service
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.575 = 5.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 9 @ 0.000749 = 0.0067 BTC [+]
fiat500: i could set up a bot in here to sit and watch but i am loathe to that idea
fiat500: thanks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 400 @ 0.02501 = 10.004 BTC [-]
topace: need to be logged in to see the docs i think, but the ticker api doesnt require auth
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.02511 = 0.2511 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.30994 = 2.1696 BTC [+]
fiat500: thanks topace thats exactly what i need
topace: :)
topace: the api isnt complete yet
fiat500: (well, streaming API would be great but i can work with this)
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02527 BTC [+]
topace: but ticker stuff is all there
topace: and basic account queries
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.574 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02527 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.025 = 0.05 BTC [-]
fiat500: have lock, will trade
jcpham: when does asicminer div come out again
jcpham: is it mondays?
topace: jcpham: today
topace: already paid on havelock
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0248 = 0.0496 BTC [-]
jcpham: oh
jcpham: it's always on wednesdays
usagi: I am really really suprised at how much MacOS reminds me of a well-oiled linux dist
ericmuyser: usagi: that's because it is
usagi: Yeah well, not linux core, openstep I guess
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.02497 = 0.1249 BTC [+]
usagi: But on the surface of it, it's very close, feels very close
usagi: It's just .. objective c.. why god, why?
fiat500: thanks TAT
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.5661 = 5.1322 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.02497 = 0.0749 BTC [+]
fiat500: usagi: objc is spectacular
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0251 = 0.0502 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02535 BTC [+]
fiat500: its quite verbose yes, but with the right completion plugins in vim/subl it becomes irrelevant how verbose it is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.0252 = 0.1512 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.0251 = 0.5271 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.566 = 5.132 BTC [-]
deadweasel: the answer is no
usagi: I prefer dot notation
fiat500: usagi: objc has dot notation
Diablo-D3: fiat500: go learn erlang
fiat500: Diablo-D3: i prefer SML
usagi: but objc dot notation is not really the same thing as in c++ or java
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.02535 = 0.2535 BTC [+]
usagi: from what I hear anyway. I'm just learning it now.
fiat500: usagi: no its not the same
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0252 = 0.0504 BTC [+]
fiat500: thats not necessarily a bad thing however
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0252 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: <3 erlang
usagi: What I really dislike about objective C is autoreleasepool blocks and/or [obj alloc] shit
fiat500: >_>
fiat500: if you dont like autorelease dont use it
fiat500: in fact, you should be using ARC and not think about that shit at all
usagi: But then I need to do stuff like [[car alloc] init]
usagi: And that will never make sense to me, it's laziness on the part of the compiler
fiat500: you know -new is a shortcut for -alloc + -init
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025341 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: yeah what fiat500 said
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.025341 = 0.1014 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: also, I'd rather have seperate alloc and init for such languages
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0252999 = 0.0506 BTC [+]
fiat500: how is this a flaw of the compiler?
Diablo-D3: I write C that way frequently
fiat500: its a language implementation
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.02511 = 0.1507 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: I stack allocate structs frequently
usagi: I actually prefer C++ to objective C
fiat500: usagi: have you heard of objc++? :P
Diablo-D3: fiat500: that thing is an abortion
fiat500: hahahahaha
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 54 @ 0.0251 = 1.3554 BTC [-]
fiat500: it is quite magical, but can be really ugly yes
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025341 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: the only reason apple made it exist is so they could do c++ api interfacing easier
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02495 BTC [-]
fiat500: AHA
usagi: Remember. Steve jobs was never really a tech or a programmer. He was a business jock and a socialite. Wozniak was the tech
fiat500: so this might be some interesting news guys
usagi: and the programmers were hired
fiat500: just before the mtgox/coinlab suit news broke
Diablo-D3: usagi: yeah, but its a little more complex than that
usagi: he went with objective C to piss everyone the fuck off and think different
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 39 @ 0.0249 = 0.9711 BTC [-]
fiat500: i emailed coinlab asking to buy 300btc
fiat500: they got back to me 2 days later saying they couldnt take on any new clients
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.025341 = 0.1014 BTC [+]
fiat500: i just got an email from their brokers saying they could now take my business
Chaang-Noi: buy from me
usagi: It isnt even used in academia anymore
Diablo-D3: usagi: actually, next went objc because it was easy to use and they had a hardon for smalltalk
ericmuyser: ThickAsThieves: got divs on TAT on btct.co
usagi: Smalltalk. Enough said
fiat500: i wonder what this means re: their agreement with gox
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.0253 = 0.2783 BTC [-]
usagi: I'd rather use lisp
fiat500: Chaang-Noi: i already bought all the coins i want for the time being :P
Diablo-D3: usagi: yeah, theres really no reason not to use erlang at this point
Diablo-D3: usagi: you cant just say "lisp" though
usagi: I actually have a lisp
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0253 = 0.1265 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: yes, exactly, you say lispth
jcpham: fiat500 i think the lawsuit was coinlab's way of reciprocating the contract breakage
fiat500: anyway my point is that coinlab is taking on new customers now, so perhaps they reached a resolution with gox?
jcpham: CYA
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.025 = 0.1 BTC [-]
fiat500: or things are getting worse, as jcpham says
fiat500: lol
Diablo-D3: things are getting worse
ericmuyser: ThickAsThieves: you paid divs twice? http://o7.no/Zewt6n got the email twice too
Diablo-D3: er, how did TAT pay divs? they're not out yet, still stuck in limbo
fiat500: i also got 2 emails
topace: heh thats not good
fiat500: Diablo-D3: he pays out of pocket sometimes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.025 = 0.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.025 = 0.05 BTC [-]
topace: glad havelock paid out properly :p
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 31 @ 0.025 = 0.775 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: I never pay out of pocket.
ericmuyser: TAT pays out of pocket and he pays twice. TAT's the man!
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0253 = 0.0506 BTC [-]
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: you paid out twice
ericmuyser: I feel bad if he did, that could be quite the headache
fiat500: 17 minutes apart
ericmuyser: his first one turned to CANCELED before the second one, but then it changes to COMPLETED so it didn't really I guess
ericmuyser: burnside halp haha
fiat500: lol
usagi: java is the future
fiat500: usagi: plzno
usagi: There's no denying it anymore
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.025 = 0.05 BTC [-]
fiat500: my opinion on java is that it exists so that the weak minds have a language to use
Diablo-D3: java sucks for highly concurrent shared nothing programming
usagi: Everything that isn't C or Java (and java is c-based) is some ridiculous startup that can't find a solid footing
fiat500: usagi: you mean imperative languages?
fiat500: objc is a startup now?
ericmuyser: usagi: thought on JRuby?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.025 = 0.225 BTC [-]
usagi: Objective C is java based
fiat500: LMFAO
ericmuyser: what??
fiat500: usagi: java is inspired by objc
fiat500: please review your history
usagi: The thing is, JVM. JVM is not going to die
ThickAsThieves: fucking BTCTC
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: can you get your money back?
ericmuyser: sucks dude
usagi: JVM is the wave of the future even if java the language dies
fiat500: usagi: perhaps, scala is nice
Diablo-D3: usagi:its the vm thats a failure
Diablo-D3: I think java could succeed if the jvm was unfucked
usagi: The VM is fast and memory efficient
Diablo-D3: the vm is slow and not memory efficient
Scrat: ThickAsThieves: how much did you just spend on divs
usagi: We're not living in 1999 anymore
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0253 BTC [-]
ericmuyser: really dude? the JVM got srsly fast in the last few years
ericmuyser: a lot of languages use it as a dropin replacement now
usagi: Diablo, Java is going to win...
ericmuyser: and I don't dig java
Scrat: V8 > JVM
fiat500: 13.84BTC x2
ericmuyser: just sayin
fiat500: usagi: whats your angle
ericmuyser: Scrat: mostly agree
Diablo-D3: ericmuyser: I maintain a java program, trust me, its not fast enough
fiat500: java is only good for programming interview quizzes
usagi: You can use Java to create whatever language you need to code your project faster
fiat500: ok im done listening :P
ThickAsThieves: BTCTC system is all fucktarded, basically it told me the first payout was successfully cancelled
ericmuyser: usagi: start a 30 year bitbet on Java
ThickAsThieves: and paid it out anyway.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.025 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: usagi: troll harder.
usagi: Look at the number of libraries available for Java. It is an OO resuse success story
Diablo-D3: usagi: YES LOOK AT THEM
Diablo-D3: THEY'RE SHIT
usagi: Isn't it funny that the java library mess is used by OO advocates to say Java is shit? When the truth is, any OO success story would look the same
Scrat: java could have been so much more
fiat500: Diablo-D3: hes either trolling or will eventually change his mind
Scrat: Sun fucked it in the desktop
Diablo-D3: fiat500: hes trolling
fiat500: lol
Scrat: oracle raped its dead corpse
Diablo-D3: he knows what language DiabloMiner is written in.
usagi: Actually i don't
usagi: C?
Diablo-D3: Java.
usagi: Really?
Diablo-D3: So I am currently the only one here allowed to comment on how bad Java is.
Scrat: even added the ask toolbar shitware on its desktop installer
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0251 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0251 BTC [-]
Scrat: shows how much they care
usagi: Why is java bad then?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.571 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0251 = 0.1255 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.571 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.572 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5734 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5734 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5735 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.5738 = 5.1476 BTC [+]
fiat500: wowwaweewa
usagi: Did you really write diablominer in Java? I don't believe it
usagi: that's pretty screwed up lol
fiat500: lmfao
Diablo-D3: its badly engineered, it still suffers from a stop the world gc, its not sufficiently functional, it has no concept of lambda functions
Diablo-D3: it still doesnt have signed types
Diablo-D3: it doesnt have a green threads/fibers implementation
usagi: I've never needed lambda functions and I've never had a problem with the GC
Diablo-D3: sun's jvm still doesnt use llvm as the backend
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.025 = 0.05 BTC [-]
usagi: Maybe I'm living in a bubble
Diablo-D3: usagi: you are
ericmuyser: ThickAsThieves: sounds like burnside'll have to reverse the divs if the system allows a negative balance and he's willing to cause complication. seems like reimbursing you would be easier
Diablo-D3: try doing highly concurrent realtime apps
usagi: The thing is, your problems seem theoretical.
fiat500: usagi: so youve never had to build anything real or useful yet
usagi: In pracrtice it's not an issue.
Scrat: you'll appreciate lambda functions when you code in node
Scrat: inb4 D3 hate
usagi: No it's an issue of how you code. You don't *need* lambda functions for anything, and once you define your problem domain your done.
ThickAsThieves: reimbursing me would be easiest
usagi: It'
ThickAsThieves: no chance in hell eveyrone will return divs
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: 55k shares?
usagi: It's like closures. When they introduce closures in J8 I still won't use them because I don't care
fiat500: burnside needs to intervene
ericmuyser: ThickAsThieves: ya, he'd have to force it, and they could be out of TAT and out of btct.co already
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: the problem is a lot of people might have divs reinvestment set up
Diablo-D3: usagi: oh, and the jvm has no concept of TCO
ThickAsThieves: 13.84310799btc
fiat500: how would you liquidate those?
usagi: The thing I hate about Java is that you can reverse-engineer it so easily
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0249 = 0.1245 BTC [-]
usagi: If your going to build a JVM you might as well have built a compiler, whats the effin diff
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.024901 = 0.498 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.525004 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 61 @ 0.0249 = 1.5189 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.0249 = 0.498 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0249 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0249 BTC [-]
jurov: lol seems like bunch of folks will suddenly find out they have negative balance
jurov: that's prolly the fastest way out
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0249 = 0.249 BTC [-]
jurov: on btct
jurov: (if it actually supports neg balance and won't overflow like mpex lol)
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: if you get in touch with burnside, can you ask him to process my 14btc withdrawal? i need thems
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 26 @ 0.0249 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
fiat500: you know ThickAsThieves alternatively, you can just withhold next week's divs or only pay out the difference
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 53 @ 0.024818 = 1.3154 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: no i cant
ThickAsThieves: i'd have to freeze the asset
jborkl: He would not know current shareholders
ericmuyser: fiat500: kind of unfair
ThickAsThieves: there are only 3 things that happen from here
fiat500: how is it unfair, you could consider this 2nd payout an early payout of next week's divs
ThickAsThieves: 1. Burnside reimburses me and everyone gets a bonus
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025343 BTC [+]
ericmuyser: fiat500: because people who are in now are not the same who are in next week necessarily
fiat500: oh, right
ThickAsThieves: 2. Burnside puts negatives on the accounts and reimburses what he cant collect
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3 @ 0.002968 = 0.0089 BTC [+]
fiat500: crap
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 31 @ 0.024818 = 0.7694 BTC [-]
ericmuyser: fiat500: some guy *just gets in tomorrow* and he gets nothing?
ThickAsThieves: 3. Burnside says sorry and fucks me out of 13btc
jborkl: The simplest thing, ask Burnside to put up on the announcement wall please return excess div. See what happens
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.25 BTC [-]
ericmuyser: my money is on #1
ThickAsThieves: #1 would be easiest
jborkl: If 80% comes back, that would be a win
jborkl: then go from there
fiat500: considering it was probably a bug that caused this, #1 is the best option
ericmuyser: and you found a bug in his system
usagi: html5/javascript killed java anyways
ericmuyser: it was absolutely a bug. saw it say canceled. did not work.
fiat500: however, i will reimburse you manually (its like 0.024 btc total, but the principle is important)
usagi: and it will kill objective c and ruby and everything else anyone cares about
fiat500: if need be
usagi: Javascript is the end of all things
ThickAsThieves: for now i'm asking people to just hold onto the divs
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 8 @ 0.000749 = 0.006 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i have to wait for burnside before anything else can be done
ericmuyser: usagi: wait didn't you just say java will win?
usagi: and I hate javascript. We seriously need a Javascript++ soon
fiat500: lmfao
fiat500: hes a troll TAT
usagi: Well if Java doesn't win it's javascript's fault
Diablo-D3: js fucking sucks
ericmuyser: usagi: google did that already, Dart
usagi: I hate javascript
Diablo-D3: Im somewhat supporting the asm.js effort though
Diablo-D3: a very minimal js syntax that basically illustrates a vm bytecode
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.000768 = 0.0015 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: so you just use compilers that output asm.js
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.02498 = 0.3747 BTC [+]
ericmuyser: usagi: thing that makes js so powerful is the wide adoption, everyone knows it, it has existing compilers everwhere. u cant just drop replace that
usagi: The thing that makes javascript so powerful is that it IS what Java was supposed to me.
usagi: br*
usagi: be*
usagi: It's a WORA language running in a VM that is portable across anythig that is worth owning
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.025343 = 0.0507 BTC [+]
usagi: They ported quake 2 to javascript you know. It got 60 FPS on normal hardware quite a few years ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.02498 = 0.0999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.025342 = 0.5068 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.025342 = 0.076 BTC [-]
fiat500: Diablo-D3: thought just crossed my mind, why do you need fiat for DMC 2.0?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 8 @ 0.02498 = 0.1998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5737 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: fiat500: becaues the real world works in dollars.
fiat500: Diablo-D3: what do you need from the real world?
ericmuyser: ya it's pretty obviously bitcoin's gain in the short term but do we really want money laundering's attraction? zzz
Diablo-D3: fiat500: you have no clue how business works, do you?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.525201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.525008 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.525 = 10.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.52202 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.511 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 2.5002 = 12.501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5738 BTC [+]
jcpham: <@assbot> +[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5 BTC [-]
jcpham: <@assbot> +[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5738 BTC [+]
jcpham: wtf is that
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.025343 = 0.1774 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.025343 = 0.0507 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 58 @ 0.025344 = 1.47 BTC [+]
ericmuyser: someone sold 15 *into* the bids, and someone else didn't want to wait and bought *into* the sells
jcpham: i know, its just old to see that spread
jcpham: *odd
ericmuyser: right before divs.. it's a weird time
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.025344 = 1.2672 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025344 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.025344 = 0.1521 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.02498 = 0.1499 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.025344 = 0.076 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.02498 = 0.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025344 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 396 @ 0.00063 = 0.2495 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 20 @ 0.000629 = 0.0126 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 200 @ 0.000628 = 0.1256 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 10 @ 0.000626 = 0.0063 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5738 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 200 @ 0.000624 = 0.1248 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5739 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.000622 = 0.0012 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00062 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5739 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 500 @ 0.000613 = 0.3065 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.574 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00061 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.574 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 30 @ 0.000604 = 0.0181 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.576 = 5.152 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 20 @ 0.000602 = 0.012 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 30 @ 0.000602 = 0.0181 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 5 @ 0.000601 = 0.003 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 245 @ 0.000601 = 0.1472 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 249 @ 0.0006 = 0.1494 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 450 @ 0.000592 = 0.2664 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 10 @ 0.000591 = 0.0059 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 490 @ 0.000591 = 0.2896 BTC [-]
fiat500: jesu christe
ericmuyser: wtf is going on
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.573799 BTC [-]
jcpham: woohoo
Chaang-Noi: market buy and market sell?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00073829 = 2.2149 BTC [-]
ericmuyser: that was a huge sell into the bids on bitvps i guess
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.02498 = 0.05 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: and at the same time someone bought a market buy of AM
usagi: Looks like someone manipulating the markets.
fiat500: thats a bit of a stretch
usagi: No, I have proof
fiat500: [proof]
usagi: lol
fiat500: what is your proof :p
usagi: I can't reveal my source.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.02498 = 0.0749 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.025344 = 0.3295 BTC [+]
fiat500: why would anyone want to manipulate something as mundane as bitvps?
usagi: Inside info
fiat500: rofl
usagi: Just speculating.
fiat500: lemme guess, bitvps is about to launch an incredible new strategy, and they want to buy cheap shares
jurov: my guess is that they are or will be subject to incredible ddos
jurov: that will finally put them out of bsnss
fiat500: conspiracy: ddos operated by the koddos people
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.02498 = 0.05 BTC [+]
jurov: would that be horizontal or vertical expansion for koddos?
fiat500: diagonal
jurov: not sure
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 13 @ 0.02498 = 0.3247 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.57799 = 7.734 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.578 BTC [+]
ericmuyser: jurov: circular
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.025343 = 0.2281 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 22 @ 0.02498 = 0.5496 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02498 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.025343 = 0.0507 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.025343 = 0.0507 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 98 @ 0.02498 = 2.448 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.025 = 0.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025343 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.025 = 0.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.025343 = 0.2534 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 19 @ 0.025 = 0.475 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.025 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: usagi: ping
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.025343 = 0.0507 BTC [-]
usagi: why dont you send me a pm? :p
usagi: I'm just about to go out.
Diablo-D3: meh fine
usagi: what
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.025 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.025 = 0.625 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.025 = 0.075 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker 550 * [ticker --last]
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid (1 more message)
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker 550 * [[ticker --last]]
gribble: Error: "129.68900" is not a valid command.
Diablo-D3: ;;calc 550 * [[ticker --last]]
gribble: Error: "129.68900" is not a valid command.
Diablo-D3: ;;calc 550 * [ticker --last]
gribble: 71328.95
Diablo-D3: there damnit.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.025 = 2.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.025343 = 0.0507 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.025 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.30994 = 1.2398 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0251 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0253 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0253 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0253 = 0.0506 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0251 = 0.1004 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 33 @ 0.0252 = 0.8316 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.025339 = 0.076 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 13 @ 0.0252 = 0.3276 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.576 = 7.728 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.577 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.560001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 2.56 = 15.36 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.025299 = 0.1518 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02511 = 0.0502 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.30995 = 1.8597 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.309997 = 0.93 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 130
gribble: There are currently 464.31805 bitcoins offered at or under 130.0 USD, worth 60360.8738333 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0124 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.025298 = 0.1012 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2011 @ 0.0251 = 50.4761 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.025011 = 0.05 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: dang thats a biggun
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0252 = 0.0504 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [+]
fiat500: that was a big bid...
fiat500: oh wait, its the 100PT
fiat500: i thought 2011 @ full share price lmfao
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.575 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.576 = 5.152 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.64 = 1.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0252 BTC [+]
fiat500: i wonder whats gonna happen when basic-mining buys those AM shares
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.002967 BTC [-]
fiat500: wont find out til june 4th i guess
ThickAsThieves: whats his budget?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.535 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0252 = 0.0504 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0252 = 0.252 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.025011 = 0.7003 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.025 = 0.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025001 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 41 @ 0.0252 = 1.0332 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.025298 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 35 @ 0.025298 = 0.8854 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.025298 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.025298 = 1.2649 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00073673 = 9.2091 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0252 = 0.0504 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0253 = 0.1265 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.572 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.572 = 5.144 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0253 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 2.5729 = 28.3019 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.02529 = 0.2529 BTC [-]
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: he wants to buy 200 shares
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.64 = 1.28 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.025299 = 0.7337 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5729 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.0253 = 0.3289 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0252 = 0.0504 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: best place is jutarul at this point
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 40 @ 0.0253 = 1.012 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 2.573 = 18.011 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: but if he's sold out tell him to make me an offer
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: 200 of ASICMINER-PT
ThickAsThieves: why not buy direct?
fiat500: is the current proposal
fiat500: he wants to do it on btct
ThickAsThieves: jutarul is selling at 2.5
ThickAsThieves: he can move em to BTCTC after
fiat500: he should buy direct and move yes
fiat500: motion looks like it will pass
ThickAsThieves: otherwise i can give him a better price than AM-PT
ThickAsThieves: if he's interested
fiat500: why dont you pm him?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0253 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.0253 = 0.2024 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.025298 BTC [+]
fiat500: it is in my best interest as an AM-PT shareholder on btct of course, if he buys from there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.0251 = 0.0753 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0251 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0251 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0252 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.025 = 0.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02505 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 32 @ 0.02504 = 0.8013 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.02503 = 0.2253 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: yeah but it's silly to overpay
fiat500: grasping at straws really, spending 500btc to make 5.6btc per week
ThickAsThieves: i have shares of all types
fiat500: assuming AM maintains current payout levels
ThickAsThieves: AM is still the best payout out there
fiat500: this is what they call having more money than sense
fiat500: basic's market cap is 2400 btc ffs
ThickAsThieves: even if AM only pays .015/week, and he pays 2.6 per share,
ThickAsThieves: thats still 2.5% monthly
ThickAsThieves: hard to beat
fiat500: true, but then why bother with basic at all, it becomes a passthrough of a passthrough
fiat500: even worse really, because only 20% of market cap is being invested in AM
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> AM is still the best payout out there << not really.
mircea_popescu: depends how you calculate your amortisation.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.025297 = 0.1012 BTC [+]
fiat500: mircea_popescu: this is bitcoin, everyone is amortising over a period of time long enough such that cost is effectively 0
mircea_popescu: oic. nm then
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01699 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.025297 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i'm really not sure how much AM will depreciate over time
ThickAsThieves: it's just not a normal mining stock
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0253 = 0.1265 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: yes commoditization is imminent
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.025297 = 0.1771 BTC [+]
fiat500: i think mircea_popescu is saying you should take opportuniy cost into account
ThickAsThieves: but they could lead that if they play their cards right
fiat500: (or, i am, anyway)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves historically, every single mining stock was, in its heyday, "just not a normal mining stock"
mircea_popescu: similarly, every 19yo is "just not another normal fat middle aged woman"
fiat500: lmao
ThickAsThieves: has there ever been a mining stock that sold hardware at retail?
mircea_popescu: actually, yes.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.025295 = 0.253 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 83 @ 0.0253 = 2.0999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: depends on your definitions, but fpga people sold fpgas and gpu people sold gpus
ThickAsThieves: you mean used hardware in very small qty?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.025297 = 0.0759 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.01049 = 0.042 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "very small"
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 78 @ 0.002711 = 0.2115 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: if you go by %s am sales are very small, moreso than gpu sales
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 40 @ 0.010499 = 0.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.7 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: so you are saying AM is no different than a GPU mining farm selling off it's used cards?
ThickAsThieves: of course it is
ThickAsThieves: they are a hardware manufacturer
mircea_popescu: not really.
mircea_popescu: they're just ordering some parts from a manufacturer
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025299 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 3 @ 0.01699 = 0.051 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: is apple not a phone manufacturer?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.10901 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: indeed not. it just markets the phones.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.1099 = 0.4396 BTC [+]
fiat500: eh, dicey
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.109988 = 0.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 43 @ 0.109999 = 4.73 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ok, let me broaden
fiat500: apple's cost of producing a phone is a lot higher than foxconn's cost
ThickAsThieves: are not all phones made from pieces sourced from other manufacturers?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves but for the record, this is very much dependent on where you draw the lines
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.025299 = 0.0506 BTC [-]
fiat500: samsung OTOH /is/ a manufacturer
mircea_popescu: im not presentin this as an absolute truth or anything
ThickAsThieves: you are presenting it as a large consideration
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.025297 = 0.3795 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: for my own needs.
ThickAsThieves: that AM is no better than a mining farm of GPUs
mircea_popescu: that it's not structurally different
mircea_popescu: that was our contention.
ThickAsThieves: to what effective point?
ThickAsThieves: you trollin me?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1000 @ 0.000672 = 0.672 BTC [-]
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mircea_popescu: not rly.
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ThickAsThieves: i think the possibility that AM will be more than a flash in the pan is quite real
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fiat500: well played burnside, canceled my withdrawal and decided to buy goodies from btct instead
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves perhaps. even so, in the mining market returns are made out of a capital amortisation part and an actual return part
ThickAsThieves: do you think Friedcat and his team might be able to stay in front of the wave and dominate the hardware sales?
wao: hmmm ^
wao: interesting
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves in a word, no.
mircea_popescu: but for a limited period, likely.
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ThickAsThieves: for example, I believe BFL claims they have a few hundred boards coming in next week,
ThickAsThieves: it will be quite easy for AM to front-run them
ThickAsThieves: if the choose to
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ThickAsThieves: I guess BFL owes preorders
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assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.025004 = 0.125 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: so new orders are a non-issue
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.0253 = 0.759 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.64 = 1.92 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: and all these Avalon chip orders are months away
ThickAsThieves: gen2 AM boards are already in the works
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: this is all short term still
fiat500: what about 2015?
ThickAsThieves: and next-gen USB miners will use those chips
ThickAsThieves: i dont see 2015 affected share price in the short term
fiat500: 2020?
ThickAsThieves: 2020 might as well be 3020 in bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: so many things will change
ThickAsThieves: it will be up to AM to stay agile
ThickAsThieves: it wont get easier
ThickAsThieves: thats certain
fiat500: the usb miners are 300MH/s right?
fiat500: so a million of those would be 300TH/s total
fiat500: er 330
fiat500: not a bad move on their part
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ThickAsThieves: i dont think theyve sold the 1st production batch out yet though
fiat500: those miners are useless but if they can sell enough of them
ThickAsThieves: ot was 20,000 pieces at 2btc ea
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fiat500: yeah thats absolutely ridiculous, but even if they sold them at 0.1btc (what i think they're really worth) they would still make a killing
ThickAsThieves: I think you can see startegy in how they sell
ThickAsThieves: first they test top price
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ThickAsThieves: then they reduce minimum qty
ThickAsThieves: then they add bulk discounts
fiat500: right now people would die for fast hashers with low power draw in hand
ThickAsThieves: next youll probably see price reductions
fiat500: but thats not going to last forever
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fiat500: who the hell is friedcat anyway
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ericmuyser: read the bible, why dontcha
ericmuyser: matthew 5.12, and friedcat shall reign supreme over mortals with his asic invention
fiat500: "invention"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves bfl is not the point tho
mircea_popescu: the major players aren't really known, i suspect.
ThickAsThieves: quite possible
mircea_popescu: course i guess it's possible bitfury ppl actually deliver
mircea_popescu: whether they do or they don't, the major players will be of that sort. one day he says hi
mircea_popescu: the next day mpex is there
mircea_popescu: six months later glbse is dead
mircea_popescu: who could have known this o woe o noe
ThickAsThieves: and the next next day i have 3 new PTs open
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 27 @ 0.02539 = 0.6855 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: actually that closes in about a week
mircea_popescu: so i guess there's no publicevent.
fiat500: "Initiated by Bitfury, who placed the first Yes bet."
fiat500: ouch
fiat500: "(this specifically excludes known shills such as Luke-jr)"
fiat500: lmfao... why do they need to name names?
ThickAsThieves: because he knows we like the drama
mircea_popescu: well if nobody names names...
jcpham: where do i buy bitfurries at
fiat500: one would think a company producing millions of dollars worth of hardware would be above calling out trolls on forums in public
mircea_popescu: anyway, that guy was talking of up to 22 peta hash under 1watt/gh
pigeons: jcpham: gotta catch em all
mircea_popescu: it'll be something like that
fiat500: especially in a context outside the forum...
fiat500: mircea_popescu: so all he bet was 1btc?
ericmuyser: fiat500: he says he's only loosely affiliated, completely remote, just contracting for them
mircea_popescu: fiat500 nah, 100
ericmuyser: not really "a company"
ericmuyser: just a single russian dude getting his kicks
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mircea_popescu: i guess he could be throwing 100 btc in the wind just for the fun of it.
fiat500: i have about 20btc in 100TH, i should bet against him on bitbet to hedge
ericmuyser: if he placed some of the 95 btc bets then he almost breaks even
mircea_popescu: ericmuyser i guess that's possible. tho i doubt it's him, because of the time
ThickAsThieves: it's all mp
ericmuyser: mircea_popescu: so now i know how to game you :)
fiat500: so, re: the bug i discovered on coinbase earlier today, just got a response from them
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fiat500: "Thanks for pointing this out! We'll work on fixing this bug when we get a change."
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fiat500: like, a diaper change?
mircea_popescu: ahahah fiat500 send them a pic of a quarter
ericmuyser: no but honestly I think he's got it, he'll announce within 2 days or has shared it with a "respected" member
fiat500: LMFAO mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: ericmuyser possible. i'd be muchly curious to see a <1gh/w chip
mircea_popescu: the thing bfl was going to do, actually done. by teh russianz/jooz/etc
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assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.566 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.537 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5361 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 2.535003 = 15.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.535 = 5.07 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 2.53 = 20.24 BTC [-]
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jurov: jcpham, there is a russian thread about "bitfury predzakazy" that means "preorders"
fiat500: so the russians, the chinese, and the americans
jurov: but i was too lazy to read it all with my lazy russian
mircea_popescu: no americans.
fiat500: aint that some shit
mircea_popescu: it's kinda funny how many foreign languages teh mericans suddenly have to learn these days
mircea_popescu: sucks to have failed government after failed government after failed government huh.
fiat500: murrkah the beautiful
truff1es: f yea
peterl: If only we could get rid of the stupid government so we could enjoy our beautiful country in peace :(
jcpham: but i like my roads paved
truff1es: and broken bridges
peterl: You can have paved roads without terrorizing the world and shutting down trade within/from your country
jcpham: i don't have much experiences with decaying metropoli
peterl: take a look in Detroit, it is a nicely decaying city
jcpham: i think it's funny that the citites of man today die without maintenance though
truff1es: why arent ppl getting fired from govt
jcpham: cities are bad new when the zombies come
peterl: At least in Detroit, all the people who care move out
jcpham: bad ju ju
peterl: I like to do my part, so I tell all my friends to vote Justin Amash for US Senate!
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truff1es: shouldnt some1 loose a job if theyre is now a hole in bridge?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0252 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: who's justin amash and what's this senate
jcpham: the senate signs the laws the pacs tell them to
jcpham: the pacs decide based on money
jcpham: it's pretty easy to follow once you get the hang of it
jurov: truff1es they lost the job preemptively before
mircea_popescu: sounds like this amash guy will change everything then.
jurov: btw mircea_popescu i read your polit party article and quite don't understand it
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jurov: so you couln't find a business owner in timisoara that accepts the ideas
jurov: but despite such you plan to end up in parliament somehow?
mircea_popescu: they couldn't, apparently.
peterl: Justin Amash is currently in the US House (They also write the laws), he is one of the people fighting against American Imperialism, he has said he is considering running for Senate
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assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.002661 BTC [-]
truff1es: oh another Rand Paul?
mircea_popescu: jurov wouldn't be the first time a bunch of kids with no resources and no management fail to accomplish that which they could easily do, with resources and with management.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00266 BTC [-]
truff1es: i.e. career politicians gl
peterl: During the two years they were in the house together, Amash had the voting record most similar to Ron Paul
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assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.57 = 5.14 BTC [+]
truff1es: oops Rand is the son..
peterl: So, if he gets to the Senate, then Amash would be another Rand Paul
jurov: mircea_popescu i know, here we actually have new bunch of kids every election with VERY funny party names. but they actually do have some support somewhere
truff1es: Rand Paul says a few sane things and then its just wtf moments everytime
mircea_popescu: i re-wrote their principles, they liked it, if they stick to it they'll take over
mircea_popescu: the country.
jurov: if you search for hints how the parties were named: "Alliance of New Citizen" - they had "YES" abbreviation in Slovak
jurov: then we have "Direction"
jurov: then "Freedom and Solidarity"
truff1es: yall sound like a bunch of idealists..
jurov: yes. looking forward to next time, it's fun here
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truff1es: i def wouldnt want mp anywhere near politics, he'd just run things like a dictatorship..
peterl: link to polit party article?
jurov: oh and almost forgot "Ordinary Citizens and Independent Persona"
jurov: the best one
peterl: truffles: and that would be different from the currenct situation?
peterl: thanks
truff1es: so fighting for more of the same standard
jcpham: hopefully freedom works beeter for romania than it did in the west
mircea_popescu: jcpham has so far, past coupla decades.
jcpham: socio economically speaking
truff1es: i like that some countries they actually get emotional and fight in chambers heh
jurov: freedom + eu grants. works wonderfully :D
mircea_popescu: jurov romania is actually a net contributor to the eu.
jcpham: freedom in the west has more to do with military dominance than i suspect anyone else thinks about
peterl: US is a third world shit-hole already?
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ThickAsThieves: yeah, you should see my house, rather, hut
jcpham: i've lived in a fale hut
jcpham: in .ws
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 282 @ 0.02543 = 7.1713 BTC [+]
jcpham: no running water, prepaid electricity
jurov: ThickAsThieves: it's actually from brick/concrete like in 1st world?
fiat500: lmfao
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves just be sure you don't drive with any cash on you in any of the countless counties where the police raids the highways.
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ThickAsThieves: what is this "cash" you speak of?
mircea_popescu: no money in the 3rd world huh.
fiat500: lmfao
jcpham: cash is used for terrorism
jcpham: and cp
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ThickAsThieves: mostly I trade in slaves and animals
fiat500: "and"
jurov: and in debt
jcpham: well slaves are fine
mircea_popescu: this conversation is going well.
jcpham: fractional reserve feeds the slaves ina lot of places
fiat500: rofl
ThickAsThieves: i'm no fan of the US path, but calling it 3rd world is stretch, no?
mircea_popescu: so btw, can you open a lemonade stand where you are ?
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jcpham: i mean basically fractional banking is basically sharecropping
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves some people have big cocks. whatever they go into, they stretch.
jcpham: in the long term
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: did anything notable happen on may 14th to AM?
mircea_popescu: from what i hear the whatever enjoys it.
ThickAsThieves: i'm in north florida, which is basically south Georgia
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jcpham: hahaha
ThickAsThieves: so lemonade stands are okay
mircea_popescu: no wonder you can afford teh internet.
ThickAsThieves: but black people get pulled over regularly
jcpham: i'm black and i never get pulled over
ThickAsThieves: we have garage sales too
ThickAsThieves: i dont even report them on my taxes
ThickAsThieves: it's the rebel in me
mircea_popescu: May 29 01:30:01 <fiat500>so many shitty neighborhoods didnt get fiber because the community was like "wtf we dont even have a computer at home"
mircea_popescu: from my ever bountiful logs
ThickAsThieves: all that untapped fiber
fiat500: btw lol you guys think AM is pricey, there is an ltc stock that costs 174LTC
ThickAsThieves: that stock,
ThickAsThieves: gets divs from BTCTC
ThickAsThieves: so infalted due to AM too
ThickAsThieves: inflated*
ThickAsThieves: it's basically ownership in BTCTC
fiat500: divs are nothing special however
fiat500: price looks inflated 1000% to me
ThickAsThieves: probably cuz no one wants to sell
fiat500: lol
fiat500: mini deflationary spiral
ThickAsThieves: the shares also have voting rights
ThickAsThieves: for new assets
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: so what happened on may 14th
ThickAsThieves: Deprived
Ukto: ?
Ukto: what about him
ThickAsThieves: I think he recently dealt some ltcglobal shares
ThickAsThieves: for profit
fiat500: i mean with AM
ThickAsThieves: what are you referring to?
fiat500: that when the 1.5btc consolidation completed and we saw the beginning of the rise to 2+ btc
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.531001 BTC [-]
peterl: about that time AsicMiner announced increased size
ThickAsThieves: what happened was a huge dividend
ThickAsThieves: more than triple the previous high
jurov: ftfy: huge double dividend
fiat500: ah, announced a day before, giving people time to buy in
peterl: and the sale of the blades for huge amounts
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0252 = 0.1008 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: double divs hea, come n get em!
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0252 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.0252 = 0.4788 BTC [+]
fiat500: what does AM have coming after the sale of these usb miners?
ThickAsThieves: more blades, nextgen chips, nextgen USBs
ThickAsThieves: and i bet some other surprises
ll: we'll find out tomorrow i guess
ericmuyser: ThickAsThieves: ever the speculator
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00073673 = 5.5991 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11104 @ 0.00073829 = 8.198 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: [16:24] <ericmuyser> ThickAsThieves: ever the speculator <<< just trying to help ;)
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.02543 = 0.0509 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.02543 = 0.2543 BTC [+]
fiat500: ll: tomorrow?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 110 @ 0.000671 = 0.0738 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 49 @ 0.00067 = 0.0328 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 75 @ 0.000668 = 0.0501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 50 @ 0.000664 = 0.0332 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 639 @ 0.000663 = 0.4237 BTC [-]
ll: weekly update from friedcat
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 13 @ 0.000663 = 0.0086 BTC [-]
Luke-Jr: fiat500: wtf? does that site not audit bets at all?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.108 = 0.54 BTC [-]
Luke-Jr: or is it run by a troll or something?
fiat500: Luke-Jr: it does, i just dont think it cares about ad hominem attacks if the bet itself fits the rules
fiat500: lol
Luke-Jr: fiat500: the bet is automatically false if it depends on false statements…
fiat500: i could argue that the choice of not using you does not affect the outcome
Luke-Jr: in this case, I'd guess my confirming it would make it ambiguous
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assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.02502 = 0.8257 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.025011 = 0.8754 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.025002 = 0.7501 BTC [-]
fiat500: more to the point, what does bitfury have against you?
Luke-Jr: Is this confirmed? "Initiated by Bitfury, who placed the first Yes bet."
Luke-Jr: fiat500: good question, if that is true
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fiat500: theres 100btc there, so if it isnt them, someone a) really believes in them and b) doesnt like you very much
mircea_popescu: obviously enough, a known liar will be publicly despised.
mircea_popescu: why's this so surprising Luke-Jr ?
mircea_popescu: should have thought through the consequences before rather than deplore them after.
jcpham: what's a bitfury?
dub: wat bet?
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assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.559 BTC [+]
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: shoo troll
Luke-Jr: "MPOE-PR is a representative of MPEX who also operate BitBet"
Luke-Jr: aha, so mircea_popescu added the slander
fiat500: LOL, nice conspiracy theory
jcpham: ooh i might get in on that
mircea_popescu: i should sell tickets.
mircea_popescu: "yet another butthurt Bitcoin fraudster throws a fit. come one, come all"
fiat500: Luke-Jr: out of curiosity, what makes this a scam?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00073535 = 2.4634 BTC [-]
jcpham: bitfury's fpga rack used _a lot_ of power iirc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9134 @ 0.00073502 = 6.7137 BTC [-]
dub: fiat500: dude stop
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.02519 = 0.3023 BTC [+]
Luke-Jr: fiat500: being run by mircea_popescu who is clearly unstable
fiat500: thats not a scam
jborkl: fiat500 please stop
fiat500: aight
Luke-Jr: fiat500: perhaps I should rename my list to "sites likely to rip me off"
dub: there is nothing to be gained by engaging luke-jr in dialogue
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 38 @ 0.025428 = 0.9663 BTC [-]
fiat500: doesn't seem to be very intelligent
mircea_popescu: perhaps it should be named "evil lizzards from outer space", that list.
deadweasel: reptilian scoundrels, the lot!
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.558 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.02519 = 0.0756 BTC [+]
deadweasel: for the record, mp seems to have had the most unwavering viewpoints I
Luke-Jr: fiat500: this channel is like half (at least) trolls FYI
deadweasel: 've encountered yet in bitcoin
fiat500: i am a troll
Luke-Jr: nevermind then
mircea_popescu: yeah. this channel is ~half trolls and ~half all the BTC in circulation.
mircea_popescu: which half is which is left as an exercise to the reader.
fiat500: but i have no stakes in any of this, so i can look at this situation impartially and say you need to re-evaluate things
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 40 @ 0.02519 = 1.0076 BTC [+]
Luke-Jr: fiat500: sounds like you just need to spend a few months getting to know the trolls here :p
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.558 BTC [-]
jborkl: no, he will not. You do not understand - it is a pointless conversation fiat500
jborkl: there is nothing to be gained by engaging in dialouge
mircea_popescu: jborkl not even lulz ?
deadweasel: except a dialogue
dub: lulz were had, its over now
mircea_popescu: this is also true.
dub: luke is a crazy scary person
dub: leave it alone
jborkl: Yeah that was last year lulz
mircea_popescu: dub who unlike us actually procreates.
fiat500: i am continually impressed by the sheer volume of drama produced on the forum
mircea_popescu: fiat500 bitcoin is backed by drama and lulz.
fiat500: sure looks like it
dub: mircea_popescu: I'd be suprised if luke-spawn reached maturity
mircea_popescu: come to think about it... ripple is backed by bad accounting.
mircea_popescu: dub physical or mental you mean ?
dub: either
jborkl: come to think about it... ripple is backed by bad accounting. - major lulz
fiat500: doesnt tradefortress have 1 trillion btc on ripple?
mircea_popescu: no, he lent bernanke some.
mircea_popescu: he has about fiddy billion left now.
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fiat500: creation of wealth out of thin air, sounds familiar
jborkl: Ripple destroy each other - there is a ripple and a anti-ripple
mircea_popescu: let's call it the dipple.
fiat500: i would have gone with nipple
jborkl: dipple - that is the bagholder
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 6 @ 0.003 = 0.018 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 40 @ 0.02518 = 1.0072 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.0033 = 0.0132 BTC [+]
truff1es: everyone wants some nipple now and again
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 11 @ 0.003489 = 0.0384 BTC [+]
jborkl: No one collects these amounts. They are simply destroyed within the network. The effect is the same as redistributing them evenly to all the Ripple account holders in proportion to their balance.
jborkl: straight fromm rippple
mircea_popescu: this design is so inept...
mircea_popescu: so let's for the sake of absurdism admit it ever gets used.
mircea_popescu: you know for a fact that no more than X txs can ever occur ?
mircea_popescu: what.the.fuck.
jborkl: yeah, well they made 100 billion ripples and they destroy 1/1000th every transaction
jborkl: but I can not figure why a ripple is worth more than 1/1000th of a penny- if that
jborkl: so, I feel dumb for reading the ripple site
ericmuyser: mircea_popescu: you're forgetting it's closed source and they dictate it, which is the negative oh so often pointed out. let's just say they say fuck it and create another 100 bill when they encounter that
mircea_popescu: ericmuyser kinda my point.
mircea_popescu: nobody seriously gave this any thought
deadweasel: they've already stolen your time reading it, jborkl, and that's the most valuable asset I own.
mircea_popescu: i don't mean nobody qualified. i mean nobody at all, not even the webdevelopers involved.
deadweasel: so don't give them anymore.
mircea_popescu: it was just a case of "make some shit to pump, quick, quick, i got these vcs sorta interested"
mircea_popescu: what i want to know is literally whose girlfriend was whored out. because this deal was closed by sucking cock, and these people don't have slaves/employees/etc.
jborkl: "make some shit to pump, quick, quick, i got these vcs sorta interested" < so true
jborkl: we will take over bitcoin - come vc just a 100 mil or so
mircea_popescu: if i had excess intel capacity i could prolly find her pic
mircea_popescu: (or, to be fair, his)
mircea_popescu: jborkl afaik they got like .75 or something
jborkl: 75 mil?
jborkl: or 3/4 mil?
jborkl: fuck , either way I need to go find a vc and tell them some stupid shit
jborkl: they are all over the place here
fiat500: thats enough to pay salaries + assorted costs for 1 year
mircea_popescu: jborkl there's an entire industry doing this. i call it the freakshow.
mircea_popescu: basically it's like the costume parties they do for kids birthdays, but for office types.
mircea_popescu: a sort of themed stripshow.
fiat500: if they dont get more funding next year, they have failed
jborkl: I read a article last night that BTC startup incubator was being located here in my town
ericmuyser: they're doing a great job. they could build a bot to slowly shave off their XRP, convert to BTC then into fiat and earn enough to pay back the VCs and still have a valuation higher than all of btc o.o
jborkl: they decided in San Jose
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.025002 = 0.075 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ericmuyser not so. all the depth is them atm
fiat500: jborkl: yes its by a scammer isnt it?
mircea_popescu: jborkl is this the kenna-owens partnership ?
fiat500: they bought a house or something
ericmuyser: mircea_popescu: you think they're the ones pumping btc into ripple?
jborkl: I don't know, I don't want to meet them
mircea_popescu: ericmuyser "they" = opencoin. yes.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.02514 = 0.1006 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.02514 = 0.4777 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.32 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.339888 = 1.0197 BTC [+]
jborkl: bitangels
fiat500: wow
jborkl: that is the group
ericmuyser: mircea_popescu: orly, well that's nice of them 8-) so it'll go down as the company that gave away millions to bitcoiners who were already becoming millionaires. compounded wealth!
mircea_popescu: not quite millions, no.
mircea_popescu: but it's exactly the novacoin pattern
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02539 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02539 BTC [-]
jborkl: 6.7 million in funding - and you get a 1000 hours of bitcoin community support
jborkl: 1000 hours of no thanks
mircea_popescu: wtf is 1k hours of community support ?
fiat500: mircea_popescu: shoulder to cry on after spending more than 15 mins browsing through btctalk
fiat500: 1k hours thereof
jborkl: I don't know, maybe our special developer that dropped in a minute ago helps out
jborkl: :(
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.0105 = 0.021 BTC [+]
ericmuyser: mircea_popescu: not yet I guess. 30-day Volume = 10,324.13125313 BTC. who knows how much they put into it, but by the end of it, should be millions
mircea_popescu: i wonder if they have a MPOE-PR said our stupiod idea sucks support group
jborkl: LOL
fiat500: 30-day Volume = 10,324.13125313 BTC
fiat500: of what?
benkay: ;;gpg everify
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benkay: ;;gpg eauth benkay
gribble: Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~benkay@c-67-189-122-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7
benkay: ;;getrating mircea_popescu
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User mircea_popescu, rated since Fri Jul 22 08:04:26 2011. Cumulative rating 86, from 66 total ratings. Received ratings: 57 positive, 9 negative. Sent ratings: 64 positive, 15 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mircea_popescu
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.551 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.551 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: o hey, bitcoincharts now has xrp ?
ericmuyser: can haz!
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.5315 = 5.063 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.531 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.531 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.53 = 5.06 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 2.53 = 37.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 2.552 = 20.416 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 5 @ 0.0105 = 0.0525 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: well whoever made the rejected ripple price bet based on ripplewhatever.com as a price signal
mircea_popescu: should prolly make it again based on btccharts
ericmuyser: everybody talks about the AM divs but YABMC, even though defunct, is 2x higher (slowly decreasing). problem is getting out at your purchase price. https://btct.co/security/B.YABMC
fiat500: what the hell is yabmc paying divs out from?
mircea_popescu: ericmuyser kinda my point earlier.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0252 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0252 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: fiat500 you clearly don't understand the concept of btc dividends.
fiat500: ponzi?
mircea_popescu: not quite. i am personally fascinated by the thing from an anthropologic perspective.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02511 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it's a mishmash of performance, sacrifice to the gods (and for the record most souls in btc have a very shamanistical relarton to btc, their own "reputation" etc)
mircea_popescu: and other condiments.
mircea_popescu: it's a decent thesis subject.
fiat500: LOL
mircea_popescu: im not even kidding.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 31 @ 0.025101 = 0.7781 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: just take the following simple observation : the us plebs think "being mean" is bad juju
mircea_popescu: and since "your reputation" is basically your juju
fiat500: i dunno man, i met extremely mean people in new york
mircea_popescu: thus therefore MPOE-PR "will have bad reputation"
mircea_popescu: ya but those'd be on SA not on btctalk.
jborkl: rude and mean are different
mircea_popescu: diff echos in that chamber.
fiat500: fair enough
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.025101 = 0.1255 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 32 @ 0.02510001 = 0.8032 BTC [-]
jborkl: also, thought involved
jborkl: a rude crack head on the streets is worthless
fiat500: if mean is the opposite of nice, i dont think it is a useful metric in the world of finance
fiat500: whether bitcoin or otherwise
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.02529999 = 2.53 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: for plenty of peeps bitcoin is the world of their dreams and aspirations
mircea_popescu: and they being financially illiterate there's no finance included.
fiat500: ive noticed there is also a cult of personality trend in the community
mircea_popescu: pretty much all the expectations you'd build on a levy-strauss model are amply represented.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.025002 = 0.05 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: this may be the best argument in favour of my "thirld world shitholer is teh us" thesis.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.025 = 0.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.025 = 0.825 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: tjhere's an entire gift economy involved in mucking up dividends for instance.
mircea_popescu: (look up the older glbse tradition of people "donating" stuff to their public "venture")
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02495 BTC [-]
fiat500: O_o
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.551 = 7.653 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.024903 = 0.1992 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you think i am joking do you.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0249 BTC [-]
jborkl: There is a instance of that going on right now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 45 @ 0.02503 = 1.1264 BTC [-]
fiat500: what would be the point of that, artificially inflating performance?
mircea_popescu: you can actually even follow cultural markers by people's community age.
mircea_popescu: fiat500 the point would be "being a good person", as per the rules of the mystical space.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.02503 = 0.3755 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: in sane world we'd immediately think this is fraud. but to these muppets it's not really it.
fiat500: doesnt sound like something a sane person would do, unless they had been cooking the books and felt bad about it
mircea_popescu: they're to mentally simple for it (some at least)
jborkl: mentally weak people fall into the trap of "what a good guy"
jborkl: damn your timestamp
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 31 @ 0.025 = 0.775 BTC [+]
fiat500: 21:33 < jborkl> There is a instance of that going on right now
fiat500: where
jborkl: first page of a exchange has it as a announcment
jborkl: sounds like glbse stoopid shit
jborkl: all you have to do is read glbse and apply it to the future
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 61 @ 0.025 = 1.525 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: new alt chain: AmeriCoin
kakobrekla: not joking
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.02525598 = 1.2628 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 42 @ 0.02525599 = 1.0608 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.02529997 = 2.53 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 8 @ 0.02529997 = 0.2024 BTC [+]
jborkl: so, 35% of the coin is used to subsidize those not smart enough to use it. not joking
fiat500: jborkl: cant find the announcement
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is proof of work coca-cola ?
fiat500: wunderbra
kakobrekla: everyone copies ltc
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.108 = 0.432 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: >Before there was hypercoin, sexcoin, fastcoin etc. there was DragonCoin. Here is your chance to own tens of thousands of coins! The winner will receive 37667.5 DNC. No bid too low! All currencies older than two days accepted. The auction will run for 10 hours.
kakobrekla: "All currencies older than two days accepted."
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.10761 = 0.5381 BTC [-]
fiat500: HAHAHAHA
mircea_popescu: lmao what
mircea_popescu: is this run by our tortilla friend ?
kakobrekla: sauce
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.024822 = 0.5213 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: 2 alc chain posts and im good for hours.
kakobrekla: very concetrated.
mircea_popescu: 100k EuropeCoin (Not launched, yet but statistically there will be a EuropeCoin by the time you read this)
jborkl: they are going to be like .com < they are all used up and being squatted on
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.10752 = 0.5376 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.0105 = 0.021 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.02529996 = 0.1265 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.02529996 = 0.0759 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.549 BTC [-]
jborkl: well , there is a porncoin - that didnt exist yesterday
jborkl: AFAIK
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0252 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025136 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i think it was announced yest
fiat500: sexcoin?
dub: lmiot
jborkl: I think sexcoin was yesterday... today is porncoin
jborkl: so out of date MP, gotta keep up with the devs
mircea_popescu: when they come up with fagcoin ima buy one
mircea_popescu: cause you wouldn't want to have 0 fagcoin
ericmuyser: I only transact in buttcoins and sometimes I tip in fartoshi's
jborkl: LOL, running a fagcoin client
jborkl: fagcoind
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.025136 = 0.176 BTC [+]
dub: aknap3: I stopped reading at 'printed in canada'
Namworld: I have better.
aknap3: funny
aknap3: I like it here just fine
mircea_popescu: dub what's wrong with printing at the site you cut the tree ?
mircea_popescu: you part of the teamster's or something ?
dub: moosecock
mircea_popescu: butthurt ?
mircea_popescu: jborkl obviously the fagcoin client will be fagcoinb
jborkl: I was going to say, they need to make a glbse like exchange for all the idiots to trade this shit on, but then I realized they do
jborkl: true
dub: buttfunder?
jborkl: no, the one that has the trollbox
mircea_popescu: ya the btce russianz totally should be in this chan
jborkl: they should have named ripple - Herpescoin - you don't know who is going to give you Herpes or or that you might have gotten bad Herpes from someone you don't know
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.025136 = 0.3016 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.549 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.549 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli re your forum thing : you're muddying things up.
mircea_popescu: if you invested 2x btc into gigavps' scam, you are out 99%+ of your investment no matter what.
mircea_popescu: the fact that he's taken the rest of it through whatever bizzare glbse stuff is a very much unrelated problem.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02529996 BTC [+]
rdponticelli: mircea_popescu: I'm just stating the fact of what happened
mircea_popescu: well... no, you aren't.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.22311 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you gave some douche 20btc for 20 x 5 MH/s bonds.
mircea_popescu: those bonds, i nthe best of circumstances, are worth .2 BTC today
rdponticelli: 2x btc are the accrued dividends since you closed the fund, giga paid that
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.549 = 7.647 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.55 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: is it ? how many did you hold ?
rdponticelli: That's not the original invest
rdponticelli: That's not what I'm claiming
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.025148 = 0.1257 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ok, so for my curiosity, what was the original investment there ?
jborkl: 2btc per share - if I remember offhand?
rdponticelli: Around 116k
mircea_popescu: jborkl iirc it peaked at 1.6ish
mircea_popescu: 1.5 more like a stable level
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli 116k what, 116k f.giga.etf = 116 bonds, ~600mh/s ?
jborkl: back when pirate40 was all the rage
rdponticelli: I don't know what was the original investment
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.025148 = 0.1006 BTC [+]
rdponticelli: Yeah, 116k etf
mircea_popescu: what a sad affair that was.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.10999 = 0.44 BTC [+]
rdponticelli: I tried to talk to you...
mircea_popescu: yeah, i'm not negotating that in may. time to negotiate it was last year, when closure was announced.
fiat500: out of curiosity mircea_popescu, why did you decide not to follow gigavps' claim process (assuming you didn't, i may have missed something while reading up in the forums)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.555 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.024828 = 0.0745 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: fiat500 it's a huge discussion which was exhausted last year. im not gonna start over.
rdponticelli: That's not what you said back then
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli i beg to differ.
rdponticelli: Anyway, the situation today is giga is paying...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.556 = 5.112 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.109999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ... a selected list of friends and nefario socks.
rdponticelli: I proposed to take care of the process, you declined...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.557 BTC [+]
rdponticelli: To take care myself, I mean
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.024827 = 0.2731 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0252 = 0.0504 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: there's two ways to go about things. you can prosecute or negotiate. the time to negotiate was then. sadly the possibilities to prosecute kinda died with the death of the rota, leaving you hanging there too.
KRS-1: i prefer the prostitute method
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 6 @ 0.01011 = 0.0607 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.01011 = 0.1011 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 18 @ 0.010008 = 0.1801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.010008 = 1.0008 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 50 @ 0.010007 = 0.5004 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 20 @ 0.010006 = 0.2001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.010005 = 1.0005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 9 @ 0.010004 = 0.09 BTC [-]
KRS-1: negotiations is for suckas
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 87 @ 0.010003 = 0.8703 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.01 = 0.1 BTC [-]
rdponticelli: You can't negotiate if you don't know what's gonna happen
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [-]
KRS-1: need moar trilema pics
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 50 @ 0.01 = 0.5 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: again i beg to differ.
mircea_popescu: there's no point in negotiating if you know what's gonna happen.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 40 @ 0.00999 = 0.3996 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 40 @ 0.00998 = 0.3992 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 7000 @ 0.00997 = 69.79 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 5 @ 0.00997 = 0.0499 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: that's why plea bargains work before the verdict rather than after.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, i thought the case was you had a 20ish investment, which is why i mentioned. i see you have a point, so.
KRS-1: are there really russian womens for sale there who can be my wife
KRS-1: how much bitcoin
rdponticelli: Look, the thing is simple. You betted that giga wouldn't be paying, I betted that he would...
mircea_popescu: notrly the way i see it.
rdponticelli: If your whole issue was a giant short, it's ok with me
rdponticelli: But take care of the responsibility
rdponticelli: I congratulate you if you shorted, you made good money
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0251 = 0.1255 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the if is spurious however.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.545 BTC [-]
rdponticelli: And if you didn't shorted, you're covered
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0251 = 0.1255 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0251 = 0.0753 BTC [+]
rdponticelli: So you have no excuse
rdponticelli: I'm a reasonable guy
truff1es: lol gl with reasoning with stubborn
rdponticelli: But I hate to be left hanging there...
mircea_popescu: you're reasonable up to the point where you go "you're covered". but anyway.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0251 BTC [+]
rdponticelli: You're, I even tried to bail out you from the process
rdponticelli: s/out you/you out/
Namworld: Technically it wouldn't costs mircea a lot to claim. But mircea seems to consider signing the stuff and giving his ID a risk.
mircea_popescu: iguess the moral of the story is that one's well advised to negotiate very early rather than very late on one hand
mircea_popescu: and that we need a court of some sort on the other.
mircea_popescu: preferably one that actually works.
rdponticelli: Namworld: Well, I can understand that, and that's why I said I could take care of that...
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.005931 BTC [+]
rdponticelli: I really thing that between gentlemens there's no need for courts...
rdponticelli: But it isn't very polite leave somebody talking alone...
Namworld: I don't think mircea would be the kind to trust anyone else to process something for him when he owes the stuff to others.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.01045 = 0.0314 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli that's what courts do : when one party considers it has a claim and the other party does not, they mediate the dispute
mircea_popescu: there's nothing ungentlemanly about it
rdponticelli: I know what courts do
Namworld: I'm really pissed about that anyway... I don't see claiming as risk.
mircea_popescu: Namworld that's just an edge of the matter. if i allowed him to do it one day he could stand up in court as a state witness accusing me of conspiracy to commit various crimes.
mircea_popescu: on the simple strength of that.
mircea_popescu: just because someone in btc comes up with an idea doesn't mean it actually flies.
rdponticelli: I just say that good will is better than courts...
mircea_popescu: when it works.
rdponticelli: Yeah, obviously
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.025009 = 0.075 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0251 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0251 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.02519998 = 0.0504 BTC [-]
rdponticelli: Usually it works when you're dealing with gentlemans but sadly, only in that case...
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 40 @ 0.02509 = 1.0036 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02509 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02509 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: no, the affairs of people progressively become more complex than their ability to comprehend them. meanwhile their revulsion of loss and desire to gain remains strictly oriented. this causes conflict.
mircea_popescu: gentlemen and peasants alike, it doesn't matter.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.549 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.524 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.02509 = 0.1756 BTC [-]
rdponticelli: Ok, so let's build a law system, a court, a police to save everybody from themselves... Oh, wait...
rdponticelli: I think I saw something like that somewhere....
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.024901 = 0.0747 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02509 = 0.1255 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0249 = 0.249 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: yes, great success
kakobrekla: ;;ud inaba
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Inaba | Stuck-up Lesbian Roleplayer Typically applied to males who play females in online games and try to hook it up with other females (probably played b...
kakobrekla: no, wrong
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.549 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli still, disputed stuff will have to be adjudicated somehow.
truff1es: icwudt kakobrekla
kakobrekla: i dunno where the lesbians are from
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.02509 = 0.0753 BTC [+]
rdponticelli: As far as I'm concerned, disputed stuff should be agreed upon by the interested parties...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.549 BTC [+]
rdponticelli: If somebody doesn't have the good will to reach an agreement, I can write off a debt, what I can't write off is an impression...
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.002949 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: there;s a difference between a debt and a claim.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.0251001 = 0.2259 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 57 @ 0.0251 = 1.4307 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.02502 = 1.251 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.02500001 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.025 = 0.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.549 BTC [+]
rdponticelli: I remember some blog entry about gpg contracts, talking about people honouring he's word... nice stuf...
truff1es: web of trust?
truff1es: hahaha
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 48 @ 0.02509 = 1.2043 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: certainly.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0251 = 0.251 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02519994 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.025147 = 0.0754 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025148 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.025148 = 0.0754 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.025148 = 0.0754 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.025149 = 0.1257 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 48 @ 0.025 = 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02515 = 0.1258 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 11 @ 0.002949 = 0.0324 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.639 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.025 = 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 28 @ 0.1999 = 5.5972 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.02515 = 0.2515 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.02515 = 0.1509 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.025 = 0.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 13 @ 0.025 = 0.325 BTC [-]
fiat500: oh god i just read about the NYAN thing, man i missed some juicy catastrophes
mircea_popescu: nyan was pretty good.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.02519988 = 0.0756 BTC [+]
fiat500: and usagi was in here earlier too, trolling about java
mircea_popescu: yeah, some of the funny people of btc history are still active more or less.
ericmuyser: usagi went from java love to javascript lover in 5 minutes. it was weird.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 38 @ 0.02515 = 0.9557 BTC [+]
ericmuyser: they're completely different
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.02519988 = 0.1008 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: trying to recall what else was pretty good.
mircea_popescu: all the pirate threads pre-august, especially the mpoe-pr bashing early 2012 are pretty good
mircea_popescu: the joel katz notions of "shared fault"/cherry truck are pretty decent
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00295 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the fabled bitdaytrade including the epic reddit thread also
mircea_popescu: skepsidyne integrated node should be read by all aspiring miners/miner investoras
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02515 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.003484 = 0.007 BTC [-]
dub: how is reptillia tracking?
mircea_popescu: turns out he was a goon.
dub: these are good candidates for my bitcoin bootup
mircea_popescu: yes that fiat500
jborkl: cablepair was prettygood
jborkl: epic drunk post bullshit
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 31 @ 0.02515 = 0.7797 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ya that too lol.
mircea_popescu: fiat500 notice how the may post is last edited november :D
mircea_popescu: early to mid bfl drama was also pretty decent (they announced summer 2012, since about oct to about jan it was fuicy)
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.2 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 70 @ 0.2 = 14 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 4 @ 0.000717 = 0.0029 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02515 = 0.1258 BTC [+]
fiat500: lol@ tortilla
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.02519981 = 0.0504 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02514 = 0.0503 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0251998 = 1.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.10999 = 0.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.000717 = 0.0014 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.02514 = 0.176 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02514 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.02514 = 0.7039 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02515 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.003397 = 0.034 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.548999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.025149 = 0.3521 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025149 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.025149 = 0.0754 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.549 = 5.098 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.025149 = 0.0754 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.549 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2866 @ 0.00073502 = 2.1066 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 16 @ 0.000717 = 0.0115 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02519962 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 5 @ 0.749 = 3.745 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 1 @ 0.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025149 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 8 @ 0.78 = 6.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.025149 = 0.0503 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.025149 = 0.0503 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025149 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.025149 = 0.1257 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025149 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00073184 = 6.6232 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00073138 = 7.3869 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00073084 = 8.9162 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.549999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.025149 = 0.176 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.02515 = 0.2767 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.02515 = 0.8803 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0251 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0251 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 45 @ 0.02509 = 1.1291 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.025 = 0.05 BTC [-]
jcpham: Pastor Dowell raps about bitcoin
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02515 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 43 @ 0.02515 = 1.0815 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0251 = 0.0502 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 37 @ 0.025 = 0.925 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02490001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0249 = 0.0996 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0249 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.0249 = 0.1494 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0248 = 0.0496 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.0251996 = 0.0756 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.548999 = 5.098 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00067 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: who's he ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.002949 BTC [-]
jcpham: no clue!
mircea_popescu: well as long as he got the maff part.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.1076 = 0.538 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 7 @ 0.1075 = 0.7525 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 9 @ 0.107 = 0.963 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 2.6515 = 7.9545 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.651 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.548999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.024831 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02514999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02514999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 7 @ 0.10999 = 0.7699 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 13 @ 0.109999 = 1.43 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.109 = 0.545 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 11 @ 0.11 = 1.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 5 @ 0.000677 = 0.0034 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: yesterday it was $5m
ThickAsThieves: "AMC Is Again Increasing Its Hash Power To 5.651 TH/s Its Revenue To $8,681,347"
ThickAsThieves: (based on current difficulty, 3mos from now)
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 20 @ 0.000678 = 0.0136 BTC [+]
gribble: 103275.818416
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.541 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 19 @ 0.02515 = 0.4779 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.024999 = 0.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 20 @ 0.002701 = 0.054 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 40 @ 0.0027 = 0.108 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 7 @ 0.0027 = 0.0189 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.0026 = 0.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 498 @ 0.002569 = 1.2794 BTC [-]
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: "should AMC provide the capital in the next few weeks" is creepy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 13 @ 0.2299 = 2.9887 BTC [+]
fiat500: makes the entire announcement unfalsifiable
ThickAsThieves: it's false either way
ThickAsThieves: no way in hell is he gonna rake in $8m
ThickAsThieves: simple as thatr
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.024661 = 0.4932 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02466001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.02466001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 28 @ 0.02466 = 0.6905 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.23 = 0.92 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: why not i ask you.
Namworld: SDICE really not going so well
ThickAsThieves: i suppose btc/usd could go way up
ThickAsThieves: and then he could make his $8m
Namworld: If it could drop more, I'd probably buy a good bunch.
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: i told him if he makes 10% of what he is claiming, people would still be impressed
mircea_popescu: hello bitbuyer_m
fiat500: he stands by the numbers, so, time to get the popcorn
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 5 @ 0.00071 = 0.0036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3489 @ 0.00073011 = 2.5474 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well fi the 100th guy could buy basics then lose his money then buy these etc
mircea_popescu: why couldn't some other guy get 10mn or w/e
mircea_popescu: it's a mmorpg after all.
fiat500: LOL
fiat500: yeah
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: "If you make your customers successful, you will be successful"
fiat500: their tagline is cheesy as fuck
fiat500: they even have an 800 number
fiat500: i should give them a call
Diablo-D3: sounds like a scam
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025147 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.548499 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.025149 = 0.1257 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.529 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.528 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.526 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.524 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.523 = 5.046 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 11 @ 0.01044 = 0.1148 BTC [-]
Namworld: ugh... someone stop buy bonds so high...
Namworld: That's like 1/2 a year premium
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.538999 = 7.617 BTC [+]
Namworld: If I then buyback the bonds, people will complain -.-
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.01 = 0.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.01 = 0.03 BTC [-]
dub: jcpham lost the chemtrails
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.025036 = 0.0501 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 33 @ 0.025036 = 0.8262 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 741 @ 0.00073084 = 0.5416 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.0007309 = 6.9801 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1209 @ 0.0007314 = 0.8843 BTC [+]
fiat500: Namworld: free market :P
Namworld: Problem is if people pay X premium over face value, and I buyback tomorrow... they'd complain
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.528999 BTC [-]
fiat500: nobody forced them to buy without reading the terms
fiat500: dont think its your responsibility to hold their hands
mircea_popescu: fiat500 me either, but people do have trobule digesting stuff.
fiat500: you cant even notify everyone globally of this because it would/will affect the share price
fiat500: then it looks like you were manipulating it to lower your buyback cost
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0251 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.002939 = 0.0294 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.003448 = 0.0345 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02499 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 10 @ 0.000678 = 0.0068 BTC [+]
fiat500: ThickAsThieves: "I fully disclose that the difficulty may increase or decrease in the future and the projected profit is an estimate."
fiat500: very nice ;p
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.1035 = 1.035 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.1035 = 0.5175 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.0251 = 0.0753 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.02499 = 0.2249 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11988 @ 0.0007314 = 8.768 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3012 @ 0.00073163 = 2.2037 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.025 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.025 = 0.05 BTC [+]
dub: Is it me or does AM seem to just pick whatever people are guessing the div will be on the forum and pay that
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.025 = 0.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.02509999 = 0.1255 BTC [-]
fiat500: LOL
fiat500: dub: either that or the people on the forums are calculating divs correctly
Namworld: People know ASICMINER's hashrate, so can easily estimate the divs...
fiat500: we know what their mining returns are
fiat500: and we know how much hardware they are selling (at least on the forum)
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.002939 = 0.0294 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 30 @ 0.00294 = 0.0882 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 7 @ 0.000733 = 0.0051 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.527 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+]
dub: -PT divs not out yet eh?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.025 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.025 = 0.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00073116 = 2.815 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5959 @ 0.00072798 = 4.338 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1980 @ 0.00072696 = 1.4394 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.527 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.51 = 5.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.025 = 0.475 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.025 = 0.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 83 @ 0.0251 = 2.0833 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 92 @ 0.02515 = 2.3138 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02499 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.02499 = 0.2249 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.024861 = 0.0746 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.024861 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.02486 = 0.1492 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.025 = 0.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02486 = 0.0497 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.519 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02515 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 238618 | Current Difficulty: 1.2153411709775832E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 239903 | Next Difficulty In: 1285 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 7 hours, 13 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13885140.5009 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.24891
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2988 @ 0.00073163 = 2.1861 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3712 @ 0.00073272 = 2.7199 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 130.35002, Best ask: 130.97673, Bid-ask spread: 0.62671, Last trade: 130.35001, 24 hour volume: 19233.58897377, 24 hour low: 127.60000, 24 hour high: 132.71988, 24 hour vwap: 130.55279
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.024861 = 0.4226 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 237 @ 0.02486 = 5.8918 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.519 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.524 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.02509998 = 0.1506 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02515 = 0.1258 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 49 @ 0.02515 = 1.2324 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02486 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02486 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.025149 = 0.0754 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.02509998 = 0.2259 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: ThickAsThieves still waiting for shares to be moved?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.024861 = 0.0746 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.509 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.506 = 5.012 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.505 = 7.515 BTC [-]
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