unpx[asciilifeform]: Since they are also thinkering with NAT punching, this could be useful to extend Pest https://tailscale.com/blog/nat-traversal-improvements-pt-1 asciilifeform
asciilifeform: unpx: not seeing anyffin new in linked piece re subj
asciilifeform: ( afaik all possible methods of prying open nat were discussed in the logs in detail )
asciilifeform: ( incl. the imho lulziest, where you have 1 or moar peers with public ipv4 but don't know the ip, and so run through all of ipv4 space to wake him up )
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: unpx: I just started testing out tailscale. It's nice for being able to use mosh to access my machines at home while at the cafe.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: I suppose it could be used to run a pest network as well - of course everyone would have to be on the vpn.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: Conspicuously neither ngrok nor tailscale have implemented UDP tunnels.
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2025-10-20#1035338 << this'd be in the running for 'backwards award' neh
asciilifeform: ... or, illustrated.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: yep
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: Found some services that let you set up a UDP tunnel
asciilifeform: awt: asciilifeform's contention was that (ideally) it's the other udpisms that oughta pipe via a pest bridge, rather than the reverse
asciilifeform: (at least when they're between pre-config'd 2 machines, a la vpn etc)
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: what is a udpism here?
asciilifeform: e.g. wireguard
asciilifeform: or various telephonic protocols
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: Got it. I was just thinking about how to (at least for now) run pest on my local box without having to connect to everyone through the station I have running on a machine with a public static IP.
asciilifeform recalls suggesting 'slave' feature for this, but not found its way into the docs
awt_akris[asciilifeform] vaguely recalls
asciilifeform: it has 1 obv down side -- a box (even behind nat, but perhaps could escape from it and be a reachable station?) instead is mastering a remote slave, and you've 1 station rather than 2
asciilifeform: (and, nao you've 'personal' peering keys on a remote hosted box)
asciilifeform can see why awt & perhaps other folx would want the 'irc bouncer' variant tho
asciilifeform: ideally, the correct use for the would-be 'slave' box would be to broker nat piercing with your wot, is all
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: UDP tunnel seems to be working fine - but still can't directly connect to billymg and asciilifeform
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: signpost winking on and off
asciilifeform: for yr+ nao lol
asciilifeform: afaik still unknown precisely why
asciilifeform put the whole subj on back burner when seemed that errybody sailed off, but may pick back up