phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2025-10-16#1117201 << there was another turn of the wheel of samsara, and common lisp is not a thing anymore. oh sure some of the same people who were hacking on it a decade ago are still doing it, but the mid 2000s revival is over and d
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2025-10-16 crtdaydreams: I'm after something with the functionality of nodgui's tree instance andI like that it's more of an extension of ltk, but it also has other compiled deps requiring gcc and I have zero clue if it's something I can package for microshit or not. Any pointers would be much appreciated.
phf: ead. so the problem of "windows gui" remains as unsolved as it ever was. your best bet, so as not to waste time on bullshit, is to purchase a hobbyist version of lispworks, for 350 or whatever it is, build a product, and then decide if it's worth to buy the 3k license to distribute
asciilifeform: oh hey wb phf
phf: hello, sir
asciilifeform: phf: what've you been up to ?
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform -- experiments, but of yet nuffin worth publishing result of )
phf: horses, daughter, learning apl
phf: "Are you interested to know what the people round Tomis are like, and the customs of those I live among?"
asciilifeform notes that sadly not only winblows gui unsolved, but gui per se
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2020-07-03 asciilifeform: went through 3 diff gui libs : native 'gtk' ; 'wxwidgets' ; finally 'qt' . none of'em could do it!!
asciilifeform: a neato
asciilifeform: iirc trinque also had daughter recently
phf: i feel like that's a second or third child in trinque's case?
asciilifeform: not afaik but he's tuned in, will correct
asciilifeform: can't resist to ask, why apl
asciilifeform: (not that it aint interesting, but phf afaik is a practical fella, presumably baking sumthing concrete?)
phf: i briefly worked with AW on shakti/k, doing bitch work of writing avx512 optimizations, that gave me the necessary push to learn the apl proper. it's more of an avocation, reading historic papers in my spare time
asciilifeform: a.
phf: there's an element of searching for that silver bullet? i mean i've been writing code for such a long time, after a while it's just all the same
phf: you said at some point something that stuck with me, that we have a limited number of keystrokes, a kind of programmer's momento mori clock. APL is an attempt to stave of death, by making each keystroke carry as much information as possible :D
asciilifeform: phf: ever experimented with logic design? it's afaik the one place where 'not same'
asciilifeform: sorta similar to flavour of aplism, but minus the 'interface to idjit os' albatross
phf: vaguely, on and off? it's my training. but i suppose with apl you can still extract useful function, where's logic design is purely tinkering
asciilifeform: errything's pure tinkering when you haven't yet found concrete use, neh
asciilifeform after escape from wageschwitz, eventually started again the 'build sane computer' thing, if lives long enuff, will publish. no illusions re whether who else still wants such a thing
phf: i saw in the logs you're a man of leisure now!
asciilifeform: quasi-leisure, lol, nobody cancelled greenspun's effect
asciilifeform: 'hey asciilifeform , washingmachine needs a new mobo'
asciilifeform: no horse, no servants (maybe if exchrate grows a new 0 after all, lol)
phf: one way to solve this problem is of course to move somewhere cheap, and live cheaply. horse is much easier to have than an electrone microscope
phf: but see also http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2025-10-18#1035256
dulapbot: Logged on 2025-10-18 10:47:55 phf: "Are you interested to know what the people round Tomis are like, and the customs of those I live among?"
asciilifeform has a # of other things wants to do before 'exhausted keystrokes', in particular the uwb thing; but this'd require at least a little interest from other people, and thin since 'war over'
asciilifeform: right
asciilifeform will prolly move again eventually
phf: i'm now officially a /professional/ trainer. bought horses who needed improvement, and sold them improved for profit! i could also work for a few days and make as much money, but if i really wanted to step off the carousel, this is an option.
phf: something something honest living
asciilifeform: horse trainers prolly live longer than chopper trainers (greenspun), wins
asciilifeform: defo honest living
phf: i don't know if that's a measure of life though. tiktok hikikomori, which seems like the default state of every single zoomer i know outside of where i live, probably lives a long time also
asciilifeform regards pretty much anyffing not involving marinating in front of a comp as 'honest living'
asciilifeform: we afaik dun know the mtbf of homo ticktockicus just yet
asciilifeform: asciilifeform suspects -- short end
phf: /me test
phf: hmm, how does it work in my pest..
phf: like wielding a sword of your days past, now grown unfamiliar!
asciilifeform: phf: you're using own hand-sewn pestron still? or awt's
phf: own
asciilifeform promises to read if phf ever gets around to publishing subj
phf: it's just one pest.lisp, you load it in lispworks, and it gives you a working gui
asciilifeform: neato
phf: i was thinking just that, re release, when i opened it. not that it's particularly remarkable, but might as well have it available to "others"
asciilifeform has an ancient (not even warez as such, but paid for by old client) copy of lw sumwhere..
phf foo
phf needs to do time sensitive irl chores, brb
asciilifeform also
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2025-10-18#1035299 << it also has stations hard coded, and since jonsykkel, lobes and dulapbot all remain stable, gives connection out of the box still
dulapbot: Logged on 2025-10-18 11:30:03 phf: it's just one pest.lisp, you load it in lispworks, and it gives you a working gui