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gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: Has anyone here read Asimov's Foundation trilogy? Is anyone watching Apple TV's adaptation?
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: I will try to add `awt` as a peer.
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unpx[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-28#1029574 <<< they totally spoiler the most important thing of the first books of the Foundation cycle
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-07-28 05:10:50 gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: Has anyone here read Asimov's Foundation trilogy? Is anyone watching Apple TV's adaptation?
unpx[asciilifeform]: Moreover they changed the whole story line so it's just a bit Foundation (the book) and they blneded it so it doesn't even follow the original story and create a new plot in between ``the encyclopedists'' and ``the traders''
unpx[asciilifeform]: And putting even another spoiler from the end of Foundation (the book), like it is normal for people to have such powers.
unpx[asciilifeform]: Currently trying to finish ``Foundation and Earth'', but it gets me nervous
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-28#1029581 << The TV adaptation took huge liberties with the material.
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-07-28 05:56:14 unpx[asciilifeform]: Moreover they changed the whole story line so it's just a bit Foundation (the book) and they blneded it so it doesn't even follow the original story and create a new plot in between ``the encyclopedists'' and ``the traders''
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: Someone wrote that the Hober Mallow in the show is a mixture of Mallow and Ponyets.
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-28#1029583 << There was a thirty-year gap between when Asimov wrote Second Foundation and when he wrote the remaining four books.
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-07-28 06:10:27 unpx[asciilifeform]: Currently trying to finish ``Foundation and Earth'', but it gets me nervous
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: Those last four books are quite different in tone. I am not really a fan of them.
PeterL[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-28#1029070 << I read it, but it was about 25 years ago when I was a teenager, so I don't remember any more than the general plot
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-28 05:10:30 gregorynyssa[jonsykkel|signpost]: Has anyone here read Asimov's Foundation trilogy? Is anyone watching Apple TV's adaptation?
PeterL[asciilifeform]: Did you watch the movie "I, Robot" (with Will Smith)? About the only thing it had in common with Asimov's book was the same title. The plot was actually closer to the book "Caves of Steel", but I guess they took the other name because it is more memorable
asciilifeform: billymg: interestingly, xiafuxiangfei not shows up in loggers ( neither yours or mine )
asciilifeform: gregorynyssa if he's using your client, it may be mishandling bounces
asciilifeform: wb PeterL
billymg[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: i'm not even seeing xiafuxiangfei in my terminal
asciilifeform: 06:49:19 xiafuxiangfei[jonsykkel] | hi │
asciilifeform: 06:50:18 xiafuxiangfei[jonsykkel] | i │
asciilifeform: 06:51:18 xiafuxiangfei[jonsykkel] | i'm gregory friend
asciilifeform: not seen on dulapbot tho
billymg[asciilifeform]: ah, from jonsykkel. interesting, my station's AT shows we're peered (last ping is current)
billymg[asciilifeform]: not sure why i'm not seeing it
PeterL[asciilifeform]: awt: I was going to try out Akris, but realized my Python3 is about 5 versions out of date, will have to upgrade that first
PeterL[asciilifeform]: I've not logged in for a while, and the way Blatta dumps backdata makes it hard to follow the conversation while it is still churning, I am looking forward to switching to a better client
awt[asciilifeform]: PeterL, you can try with the older version. Just causes problems building the static binary afaik.
billymg[asciilifeform]: awt: i added `logger.info(event)` to the top of your `handle_enter` function, this is the output: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Zf1a
billymg[asciilifeform]: so the handler is at least being properly called on enter
billymg[asciilifeform]: it doesn't like num lock enabled
billymg[asciilifeform]: turning off numlock fixed it
billymg[asciilifeform]: but i like numlock! how else am i supposed use the bean counter pad to enter numbers?
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-28#1029594 << I set her client to bounces = 4. It looks like we are five or more hops away.
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-07-28 12:36:03 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa if he's using your client, it may be mishandling bounces
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: What would be nice (maybe `awt` already has it) is a "traceroute" tool to view the shape of the network.
asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: this isn't possible as stated
asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: a station can only know what it receives via its peers. can, theoretically, view bounce counts tho
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-28#1029617 << An "adversarial" traceroute tool is not possible, but an "opt in" version would be.
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-07-28 14:02:25 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: a station can only know what it receives via its peers. can, theoretically, view bounce counts tho
asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: naturally folx can volunteer info re their topology if they feel like it
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: Same with ICMP, in theory.
asciilifeform: see statement re icmp in earlier spec tho
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-28#1029622 << Of course, ICMP is a mess. I have even looked into how to leave it out of hte Linux kernel during compilation.
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-07-28 14:04:07 asciilifeform: see statement re icmp in earlier spec tho
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: EDIT. "the Linux kernel"
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-28#1029592 << That was a good film nonetheless. As a teenager I found it to be quite inspirational.
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-07-28 09:57:57 PeterL[asciilifeform]: Did you watch the movie "I, Robot" (with Will Smith)? About the only thing it had in common with Asimov's book was the same title. The plot was actually closer to the book "Caves of Steel", but I guess they took the other name because it is more memorable
PeterL[asciilifeform]: gregorynyssa: yeah, I liked it, and I thought it was a nice mix of various things that Asimov thought about, it just had a lot of creative liberities in turning it into a movie
PeterL[asciilifeform]: similar thing in the "Bourne Identity" series, the first movie has the same general plot as the first book, but the sequels had absolutely nothing in common between books and movies (I actually like the plot in the movies better)
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-07-28 14:22:41 PeterL[asciilifeform]: similar thing in the "Bourne Identity" series, the first movie has the same general plot as the first book, but the sequels had absolutely nothing in common between books and movies (I actually like the plot in the movies better)
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: If I might ask, has Serpent been implemented yet using Peh? Is that feasible in the near future?
asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: would be monstrously inefficient ( for e.g. pestronics. for use in a peh tape, potentially useful . but anywhere else -- wai? )
asciilifeform: for pestronics ideally you want serpentism in asm
asciilifeform: ( or even fpga )
asciilifeform: ditto the hashes
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: Of course, because of line-rate decoding.
PeterL[asciilifeform]: awt: I'm just trying to wrap my head around this Akris thing - you have two genesis patches, akris and akris-desktop, that are meant to be built completely separate from each other?
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: PeterL: Akris Desktop depends on Akris. Imports the client and server libs so it can start up its own station and connect to it.
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-28#1029641 << So why is Blatta not used as the engine of Akris?
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-07-28 15:57:21 awt_akris[asciilifeform]: PeterL: Akris Desktop depends on Akris. Imports the client and server libs so it can start up its own station and connect to it.
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: EDIT. "as the engine of the GUI of Akris?"
PeterL[asciilifeform]: so do I only need to build the Akris Desktop, or do I first have to install Akris?
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: gregorynyssa: akris is a rewrite of blatta. Akris, however, is multithreaded, and provides a JSON api over a local socket, rather than act as an IRC server.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: PeterL, you just have to be able to run pip install (-e) <akris location> from inside the Akris Desktop environment. That should build the serpent binary and make the akris module available to akris desktop.
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-07-28 16:01:56 awt_akris[asciilifeform]: gregorynyssa: akris is a rewrite of blatta. Akris, however, is multithreaded, and provides a JSON api over a local socket, rather than act as an IRC server.
PeterL[asciilifeform]: I mean, do I need to use v on both genesis patches, or is the desktop patch a superset of the akris one?
PeterL[asciilifeform]: (let me know if my questions are stupid, I feel a bit lost here)
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: PeterL: you need to press both Genesis patches in separate locations.
PeterL[asciilifeform]: ok, I think that was the problem I was running into, had them in the same place
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: aha ok noted. will try to make this more clear in the docs.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: Akris is designed to be its own thing - I hope that other clients will be developed for it.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: Like bots, other guis, etc.
PeterL[asciilifeform]: where in the directory tree do the images need to end up?
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: I like to put akris and akris-desktop under the same parent folder.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: If that's what you mean by image
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: In python, akris and akris-desktop are considered "packages"
PeterL[asciilifeform]: I mean the two image files that were in a separate tar?
PeterL[asciilifeform]: looks like a bug of some sort?
PeterL[asciilifeform]: I mean, a picture of a bug, not a coding bug
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: oh lol yeah if you unpack that tar from akris-desktop, they should end up in akris_desktop/images
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: They are completely optional, btw
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: the bug is a locust
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: PeterL: awt_akris: As it is written in St Mark's gospel: en de ioannes endedumenos trichas kamelou kai zonen dermatinen peri ten osphun autou kai esthion akridas kai meli agrion.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: gregorynyssa sees right through my obscure references
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: St John the Baptist ate locusts (akris) and honey (meli).
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: I had something like a locust once - I feel like it was undercooked.
PeterL[asciilifeform]: so "Akris" is a locus?
shinoa[asciilifeform]: So far akris very smooth, hardly notice it running on chinkpad.
shinohai[asciilifeform]: For interested parties, I documented building akris on Gentoo: http://btc.info.gf/blog/building-awts-akris-pestnet-client-on-gentoo.html
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