phf: signpost, is book/paper hoard from cause or towards a purpose?
phf[asciilifeform]: the essential feature i was aluding to is the fact that barret paper is then referenced from http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2842
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-02-11#1023047 << i actually sent this last night as part of the conversation that was happening, but it got lost in aether, and only bumped because i sent another message in the morning
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-02-11 09:26:38 phf: signpost, is book/paper hoard from cause or towards a purpose?
phf: i guess instead of spamming with addresscasts it would've been more useful for stations to periodically emit prods
phf: asciilifeform, is the idea of threading that you can just explicitly say "netchain of this message is this other message that i'm `responding` to"?
phf: i think you suggested somewhere that you don't do "response" as such, and just add netchain visualization to the client. have you thought about adding an explicit flag for "this is a response" messages?
phf: i recon it's not too hard to make a client be smart about it, even without an explicit "response" flag. if you're within some arbitrary netchain skip limit (5-6 messages), then the client can feel free to show an antecedent message as a "hint"
signpost[asciilifeform]: might as well answer though. I put the hoard together because I can’t predict later what I might want to read, and expect to have further impositions of control over to what I have access. hoard gets read, but I have far more than I will likely finish.
signpost[asciilifeform]: got plenty of dead tree if they cut the power, and plenty of ammo if they cut further.
phf: so it is towards a purpose? not saying that's bad, just trying to see if hoarding can be framed as anything but
signpost[asciilifeform]: drives plenty of other experiments in self-sufficiency, like self-hosting openstreetmaps. will post more of these things in time.
signpost[asciilifeform]: the purpose/cause distinction gets murky in cases like this involving bets about the future
signpost[asciilifeform]: but I wouldn’t argue against someone saying “dude that’s just your religion, and you’re carefully describing it in reverse”
signpost[asciilifeform]: one can dig for the cause of anything. Aesop writes the ant and grasshopper because of the looming eschaton, say.
signpost[asciilifeform]: one question is whether the object's there already visible to a john of patmos. rest of us catch up later.
signpost[asciilifeform] been chewing on that book a lot lately, and not because "eee ww3". thing might be the picture of *all* world-collapses, and a map through them.
signpost[asciilifeform]: should say *just because.
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-11#1022968 << currently not specified when, precisely, emit prods. oughta be periodic, i.e. some % of what'd otherwise be 'ignores'
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-02-11 09:31:18 phf[jonsykkel]: i guess instead of spamming with addresscasts it would've been more useful for stations to periodically emit prods
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-02-11 09:33:31 phf[awt|deedbot]: asciilifeform, is the idea of threading that you can just explicitly say "netchain of this message is this other message that i'm `responding` to"?
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-11#1022970 << iirc brought this up previously; concluded that not need explicit flag
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-02-11 09:35:42 phf[awt|deedbot]: i think you suggested somewhere that you don't do "response" as such, and just add netchain visualization to the client. have you thought about adding an explicit flag for "this is a response" messages?
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-11#1022964 << asciilifeform certainly keeps warez hoard (the proverbial 'over9000 scans no one read'(tm)) and will certainly add it to pest fileshare when we've the latter, but raw hoards aint imho particularly useful as such
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-02-11 09:29:25 phf[awt|deedbot]: signpost, is book/paper hoard from cause or towards a purpose?
asciilifeform: it's something one 'mines' a) serendipitously, in spare time b) when actually investigating sumthing
asciilifeform recalls u. eco's answr to common q 'didja actually read yer 1e5 bookz', 'lolno, wai would i keep'em around if already read'
signpost[asciilifeform]: yup. omnia vanitas, also.
signpost[asciilifeform]: amateur librarianship is better than netflix and rotgut
unpx[cgra|asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-10#1022960 <<< yes, it should, but I cannot find a suitable structure for a catalog because it's either too vague or too rigid.
bitbot[cgra|asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-02-10 18:05:41 phf[awt|deedbot]: but then your papers should be in some kind of context? like come with "who recommended" "relevant project" "relevant goal" ,etc.
unpx[cgra]: That is why I am trying to choose a topic first and then collect releated resources while I get a deeper understanding of the topic.
unpx[cgra]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-10#1022961 http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-11#1022991 <<< choosing the root, or the foundation set, is bothering me
bitbot[cgra]: Logged on 2023-02-10 19:35:09 asciilifeform[5]: phf, unpx: fwiw all of the papers asciilifeform 'used' , are mirrored on his www, in the format seen in earlier link. imho this is the way to do it.
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-02-11 12:20:02 asciilifeform[4]: recalls u. eco's answr to common q 'didja actually read yer 1e5 bookz', 'lolno, wai would i keep'em around if already read'
phf: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-11#1022991 << always a fair point
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-02-11 12:20:02 asciilifeform[4]: recalls u. eco's answr to common q 'didja actually read yer 1e5 bookz', 'lolno, wai would i keep'em around if already read'
phf: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-11#1022994 << a somewhat tradition #t answer is `you're working on X, therefore you have relevant papers/books, therefore you post them on your blog, everything else is masturbation`. i guess this subthread raises a question of `if civ collapses
phf: and i don't have a book on gunsmithing, what do`. that is whether or not that preparing for such an eventuality is a legitimate activity
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-02-11 16:48:08 unpx[jonsykkel|deedbot|signpost]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-10#1022960 <<< yes, it should, but I cannot find a suitable structure for a catalog because it's either too vague or too rigid.
signpost[asciilifeform]: so far looks like the exchange rate is one cheap chinese balloon requires several billion dollars of aircraft to not shoot down, but kinda look at it some.
signpost[asciilifeform]: when the chinese fart a thousand of these at us and 50 have an EMP onboard, lights out.
signpost[asciilifeform]: if anyone hasn't read Unrestricted Warfare yet, highly recommended.
signpost[asciilifeform]: of particular note, their declared intent to use the american obsession with complicated technology against "us".
asciilifeform: signpost: sadly (?) the dynamite-powered (vs nuke circulating charged particles in ionosphere kind) emp wunderwaffe is bogus
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2020-07-17 asciilifeform: most famous actual field use was in gulf war 1 , against baghdad tv station. (repaired 4h later! but no one asked 'how many hrs to repair if instead had used a 100 $ aviabomb, instead of 100,000 $ 'emp' )
asciilifeform: ( doesn't prevent 1e9$+ worth of boondoggles, to this day, 'vircator' etc )
signpost[asciilifeform]: I was figuring the nuke kind.
signpost[asciilifeform]: not these that are currently being flown, but later.
asciilifeform lives in very 'convenient' locale for that one, not needs to study at all for 'wat do after'
asciilifeform: suppose, could still miss, lol
phf: and here i was having a good evening
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-11#1023002 << asciilifeform for 1 has difficulty picturing a scenario where the b00kz help. may be failure of imagination tho
asciilifeform: ( in re 'collapses', that is )
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-02-11 18:33:45 phf[awt|deedbot]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-11#1022994 << a somewhat tradition #t answer is `you're working on X, therefore you have relevant papers/books, therefore you post them on your blog, everything else is masturbation`. i guess this subthread raises a question of `if civ
signpost[asciilifeform] also, but has a demented definition of good evening!
asciilifeform: lol