phf[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-12-01#1017229 << it used to be a certain type of person who'd google "facebook" to go to "facebook.com". and i've literally seen it, and not just the search bar. person will type google.com, put facebook in the search box, and then click on result.
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-12-01 21:37:30 asciilifeform[5]: 'search engine is dead'(tm)
phf[asciilifeform]: but i feel like these days that's exclusively what i use search engines for
phf[asciilifeform]: works great for "mysql documentation download", not much else. it's almost become a game as to how fake and gay the result might get
phf[asciilifeform]: like i'm reading recent locklin, and wanted to see what echelon mounted turrets are, naively searching for "echelon mount" gives you "echelon reflect fitness mirror stand" and "echelon portable bike laptop holder" and similar junk
phf[asciilifeform]: because some corp shit is squatting a military term, your vector cloud without further restrictions collates to "you must be wanting to buuuuy thangs, we got you fam, how bout them light fixtures!"
phf[asciilifeform]: it's an equivalent of coming to a library and getting a accosted by one of those mid-2000s pirate cd guys, "yo yo yo got rhiana what you want got all the latest tracks right here"
signpost[asciilifeform] would still love to see someone implement page rank with a bias for log-links.
signpost[asciilifeform] was shopping-adjacent when sat at the aforementioned, so can only agree with phf that it'd be nice to have a search engine that wasn't a chimera with sales.
phf[asciilifeform]: and the other thing, what's up with KIDS these days? am i right!
phf[asciilifeform]: my default engine for search bar is set to "marginialia", its results are almost entirely useless, but provide a kind of meditation on the folly of search
signpost[asciilifeform]: what we really need is a tiktok competitor! but with construction paper branding
signpost[asciilifeform]: hah, yeah, ddg over here, same practically useless taste you know and crave
signpost[asciilifeform]: some speakers are more important than others, can only be solved well with wot
signpost[asciilifeform]: and that's too much hatespeech for anybody to get right in our democracy
phf[asciilifeform]: i stopped using ddg, when they decided to filter rt as a result of special operation :> i kind of yes-man-ed mp's point about "if you're using a search engine, your entire value system is wrong", "but but ddg is different, it says so on the label". not that i ever clicked on rt fro
phf[asciilifeform]: m search, or even searched anything current thing related, but when they did drop it i realized that i'm an idiot.
signpost[asciilifeform]: most of my use of the address bar is to pull up a particular bookmark quickly and go from there, yes
phf[asciilifeform]: marginalia is so bad, that when i search for something, it'll hit some totally random internet 1.0 pages, "huh, a personal website dedicated to night sky photography, don't know how that's related to paredit"
phf[asciilifeform]: but it's opensores, potentially one could pick it up, and start crowling own set of sites, add own "wot-first" rating system etc.
phf[asciilifeform]: mañana
signpost[asciilifeform]: hm neat
asciilifeform: crawling www is largely exercise in 'uranium from ocean water' imho
asciilifeform: search engines to date afaik universally either a) too small to matter b) go under & forgotten promptly c) devolve to resembling google
asciilifeform: there aint a 'sane way to run a crawling search engine' anymoar than there is a recipe for 'sane reddit'
awt[asciilifeform]: This is fun to play with: https://chat.openapi.com
awt[asciilifeform] wishes I had more time to put into indexing log search engine I was working on
billymg[asciilifeform]: awt: that link causes the browser to warn about an invalid certificate and then after proceeding redirects to https://carrowholly-stables.com/
billymg[asciilifeform]: which does look like fun, i agree
awt[asciilifeform]: lol oops: https://chat.openai.com/chat
awt[asciilifeform]: I've been working with openapi recently
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-12-02#1017247 << asciilifeform is half-convinced that 100% of the 'alt' search engines simply scrape from google and repackage the output
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-12-02 14:18:33 signpost: hah, yeah, ddg over here, same practically useless taste you know and crave
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, in continuation of this experiment : tried to read events but evidently needs moar massage;
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-11-21 21:38:25 phf[awt]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-21#1016712 << http://glyf.org/screenshots/raw-x-protocol.png
asciilifeform: the events only fire when proggy is sighup'd.
asciilifeform: prolly needs some FD settings magick (select()/poll() etc), judging by how libxcb does it
asciilifeform: ( if look at 'xcb_wait_for_event' -- there's a rather gnarly mechanism there, with dedicated threads for read/write )
asciilifeform: ( for ref -- a helloworld similar to the item being sought, under libxcb. )
asciilifeform earlier, set bozobit on libxcb proper, as it apparently will not statically link anywhere
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-12-02#1017264 << demands a login, meh
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-12-02 18:12:02 awt: lol oops: https://chat.openai.com/chat
asciilifeform: and again re: x11 experiment: comparative straces.
asciilifeform: i.e. defo uses poll().