jfw: gah, it's been taking longer to reread and write up that conversation for my review than it took to have it the first time; and I wasn't set up well mentally as I had the idea that review was pretty much done except for some pasting and there was just the plan, as opposed to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-13#1024329 .
ossabot: Logged on 2020-04-13 18:21:07 diana_coman: jfw: anyways, will you write up and publish then today the review and plan based on the discussion above?
feedbot: http://younghands.club/2020/04/14/jfw-review-week-of-6-apr-2020/ << Young Hands Club -- JFW review, week of 6 Apr 2020
diana_coman: jfw: reading the published review, it seems it was done (there isn't really anything new in there) but kind of done to you rather than by you, lolz.
jfw: diana_coman: what can I say. sorry I've missed the plan, I seem to be fussing over it quite a bit, this improving estimates and realism and completeness but also doing in less time is a tough circle for me to square. I'll get some sleep and give a fresh look.
diana_coman: jfw: works.
billymg: diana_coman: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=xakV << draft list of questions for survey. there is also a survey for non-mp-wp users. my idea is to publish this list of questions as an article on my site and then ping a few channels to solicit some responses as comments on the article. this way all the responses will be collected publicly in one place and i can ask follow up questions inline
billymg: let me know if you have any feedback on the questions themselves otherwise i can go ahead and publish as is
diana_coman: billymg: I guess it works; not sure it will be much use tbh but that part is up to you anyway
diana_coman: the q re modifications and settings will be a pain to answer anywhere close really given the long history with it otherwise, huh
diana_coman: possibly worth a try anyway, why not
diana_coman: jfw: what's the fuss over /re plan anyway?
jfw: diana_coman: it seems after yesterday's convo I'm more confused about what a plan is supposed to be anyway. More descriptive about what I'm likely to end up doing? Prescriptive about what I presently think needs doing or want to focus on?
diana_coman: jfw: what is normally a plan for you?
diana_coman: to me normally a plan is a commitment really: I intend to DO those things.
diana_coman: and that's a reason why I keep to it, too; sure, not idiotically without considering changes to the context but "given what I know now, this is what I intend to do" so if/when what I know changes, the plan can change too
jfw: To me it's been more of "things I'd like to happen and figure there's some chance of", I suppose.
diana_coman: yeah, more of a wishlist burnt on the altar and forgotten too :D
diana_coman: not much need for that, no.
diana_coman: also, in that case, why limit to what seems to have a chance, at least go fully for it and list what you'd like to happen, what if it ...does? :))
jfw: diana_coman: but do you really fill your whole working schedule with commitments? you've also said to plan in some flexibility I recall
diana_coman: it's never really worth it to go half way only anyway, so if it's a commitment make it be one and if it's a wishlist let it be a proper wishlist
diana_coman: jfw: there is flexibility, sure - part of it comes from all the time buffers, part of it from the time permitting, part of it from the above "if context changes, so will the plan - explicitly though, even if it's in the middle of the week"
diana_coman: and then there is of course the level of detail - ie no need to go in super detail upfront when you can't even know that; but if your plan says "publish an article every other day" then it's a commitment you'll write one and publish it although yeah, flexibility as to what content, how long etc; if it says "sort out healthcare" then that is a commitment that you will work on that although sure, the result might be that it's fully ...
diana_coman: ... sorted or not yet, but you did apply yourself to that task.
diana_coman: jfw: and there's also nothing wrong with listing specifically some time for what I was calling yesterday opportunistic tasks, what.
diana_coman: the plan is literally to see what you intended to do and then compare with what you did, learn from it and decide on the next move; not some sort of "form" to fill, nor some sort of madness/bureaucracy/dunno-how-to-even-call-it
diana_coman: and ofc it helps in principle with coordination with others too; but only to the extent that it has anything to do with reality, sure.
jfw: hm, does "intended" speak of wishes or commitments? or something else?
diana_coman: jfw: where?
jfw: "to see what you intended to do"
jfw: coulda sworn I knew what intent was but somehow unsure now, lol
diana_coman: to me it speaks of commitment, yes; I don't quite have other sort of intentions but I suppose it's better said "to see what you had committed to do "
diana_coman: for clarity
jfw: alright
diana_coman: now I wonder what might everyone took the plans for, even; lol
diana_coman: take*
jfw: you mean I'm not the only mouse or man whose plans gang aft aglay? couldn't be!
diana_coman: jfw: lol; there's a reason (with a long history too) why I'm almost allergic to... intentions, let's say.
jfw: wishes dressed up as commitments?
diana_coman: myeah; and sold as such too, for as long as in the very least allowed to.
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