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diana_coman: !!up cruciform
deedbot: You may not !!up yourself.
diana_coman: !!up #ossasepia cruciform
deedbot: cruciform voiced for 30 minutes.
cruciform: diana_coman, hi! couldn't !!up via deedbot
diana_coman: cruciform: did you go !!up #ossasepia ?
diana_coman: it needs the chan name now
cruciform: ah, that'll be it
diana_coman: try it again
diana_coman: !!down #ossasepia cruciform
diana_coman: hm, no?
diana_coman: lolz
diana_coman: !!help
diana_coman: trinque: the !!down seems to not work?
cruciform: diana_coman, are you well? I finally started feeling better yesterday - just waiting on my sense of smell to return :p
diana_coman: cruciform: I'm all right, thank you; and glad to hear you got better then, I gather you caught the virus in fashion there
cruciform: diana_coman, yea - not the most pleasant thing, but not sure why the whole economy needs shutting down over it
diana_coman: eh, the "over it" is because there had to be a reason given, lol.
cruciform: I suppose ya gotta have a pretext to run the money printers
cruciform: at any rate, olfaction isn't necessary for getting work done, so I guess I'll get to it starting tomorrow
diana_coman: cruciform: sounds reasonable; who wants to sniff work all that much anyway
cruciform: diana_coman, lol, yes - making my way through all the bad coffee and nasty tinned stuff I stockpiled, before I can taste it
diana_coman: cruciform: lol! did they run otherwise out of nasty stuff? or why stockpile on the nasty stuff in the first place? sounds rather masochistic to me
diana_coman: how does the thinking go - what if I don't get the chance of tasting nasty tinned stuff anymore? lolz
cruciform: yea, all they had left was nasty tomatoed mackerel - I'd figured it best to be safe after reading Taleb's twitter
diana_coman: o.O what did taleb twitter?
diana_coman admits to not follow twitter at all.
cruciform: he seems to think the virus is worth taking seriously - precautionary principle, and all that
diana_coman: cruciform: perhaps for him it's worth taking seriously (or at least twitting to take it seriously); that doesn't directly translate to much for you/someone else like that though
diana_coman: anyways, you have now a great article you could write - on the tomatoed mackerel effect (or similar).
cruciform: what do you mean that it doesn't translate to me?
diana_coman: cruciform: if A says that B is worth taking seriously, that comes with "for A, B is worth taking seriously"; now whether it's ALSO worth taking seriously by a C is a matter for C to decide and it's not always "if for A, then for C too"
diana_coman kind of doubts Taleb ended up eating nasty tinned tomatoed mackerel too, lolz.
cruciform: ah, Wittgenstein's Ruler - Taleb'd approve :)
cruciform: diana_coman, it's also very possible I caught the damn thing while shopping for said tomatoed nastiness, too
diana_coman: eh, approvals and disapprovals - I have a full collection of both and they both do still 0 for me.
diana_coman: ahahaha, now that is basically perfect lesson
diana_coman: cruciform: try !!up yourself and complain in pm if it's still not working
diana_coman: !!reputation cruciform
diana_coman: !!up #ossasepia cruciform
deedbot: cruciform voiced for 30 minutes.
diana_coman: trinque: can you clarify the rules that deedbot follows currently when deciding whether someone can !!up themselves or not?
cruciform: diana_coman, regarding dis/approvals - isn't that essentially the WoT? I suppose I've built up an implied trust for Taleb
diana_coman: cruciform: there are at least two layers to it at the very least, first of all trust is one thing, seeking approval is an entirely different thing; second, trusting what one says does *not* mean that you don't reason what the implications of it are *in your own context*.
cruciform: to the second point: that's something I frequently derp over
diana_coman: what can I say, I kind of always erred on the side of - might make my own mistakes but at least they are my OWN ffs.
trinque: diana_coman: not sure why !!down didn't work. I'll take a look.
trinque: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=He3f << here's the good-standing-p func, which I altered with the thresholds we discussed previously
trinque: "lord" here means folks in your l1
trinque: did somebody have trouble using !!up ?
diana_coman: trinque: cruciform says he tried !!up #ossasepia cruciform and deedbot still said he could not up himself; he has a rating of 1 from me; is that not enough for him to up himself?
trinque: yes, not enough per lemme find the thread
diana_coman: trinque: ah, I thought !!up self is different from !!up others, hm.
diana_coman goes to re-read the orig spec on trilema too
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-25 11:11:16 diana_coman: trinque: all right; I'll take your word for it then and therefore subscribe to your deedbot service; can it be made so that it allows self-voice in #ossasepia to those in my L1 with ratings > 2?
diana_coman: ah, right you are
trinque: at any rate, if you'd like to let folks with a 1 self-voice, I have no problem with that either.
trinque: and I did find the problem with !!down already, so that'll be fixed sometime this afternoon.
diana_coman: trinque: yeah, self-voice for folks with a 1 is good; sorry for messing you about there.
trinque: nbd
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-10#1024077 - sounds good, and indeed like very little needs to move, merely web-admin UI dropped. I seem to recall seeing cases where a bunch of settings were crammed into one record by serialization; would make sense to fix those for the sanity of manipulation through SQL.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-04-10 06:35:43 diana_coman: jfw: in short, no, I am not pushing for some db-extremism, everything lives in the db, db config itself and circular definitions be damned; I am however pushing for keeping configs to a minimum, for moving indeed ALL content (that includes the blog title and the tagline(s), ffs!) and for NOT carrying blindly over "knobs and settings" just because "users are used to them".