asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
btcinfobot: Current BTC price in USD: $22420.06
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 16 nodes...
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Alive: (0.086s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=661904 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Alive: (0.143s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=661866
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.101s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=661904
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.123s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=661767
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : (pool-71-114-46-209.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.156s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=661904 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.119s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=661904
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=661595 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Alive: (0.157s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=661904
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Alive: (0.147s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=661904
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : Alive: (0.236s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=661904
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : (static.18.104.22.168.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.213s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=391683 (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Alive: (0.383s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=661751
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : (tlapnet-38-54.cust.tlapnet.cz) Alive: (0.375s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=661904
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 120 sec.)
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-17 20:16:24 trinque: hasn't solved yet, but considers it the most important problem.
asciilifeform: shinohai: this is news?! i thought 'users who want to transfer their cryptocurrencies off of centralized exchanges and onto their own private wallets would need to provide personal information to the exchanges' was already usg.mandatory since 2014 or so
shinohai: Last time I did this, only applied to amounts over $2K or so. If I understand this correctly it will apply to and withdraw, regardless of amount.
asciilifeform: shinohai: pretty sure you can't even have an acct on e.g. 'coinbase' w/out gox-style passport photo etc
asciilifeform: ( ftr haven't for many yrs tried any such thing, so nfi re current rules )
shinohai: I have account on FreiExchange, no kyc there if you don't do more than aforementioned 2K
shinohai only uses exchange to convert random shitcoins to BTC
asciilifeform: shinohai: iirc they all fax (yes) to irs if you sell >600 $ worth / calendar yr. and for at least half a decade nao.
asciilifeform: same as, incidentally, e.g. ebay, does.
asciilifeform: 'income', see.
thimbronion: I don't see the point of the rule. They already require kyc for selling, and if you're not selling, who cares? It's not like anyone outside of a very small group of people actually accept crypto for any goods or services.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: would seem to be part of the 'attach passport serial #s to as many btc addrs as possible' effort. but, again, doesn't seem the least bit new, has been going on for many yrs at this pt
thimbronion: Given the amount of identity theft going on, any court case is going to be a joke.
thimbronion: Not that whoever won't be found guilty of whatever.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: objectice aint 'find guilty', it's simply to steal coin.
asciilifeform: i.e. to know where it is, to steal.
trinque: and there it is, eh?
asciilifeform: trinque: which it ?
asciilifeform: the ministry-of-vacuuming-up-coin has been in operation since at least '13. shinohai's link doesn't suggest any sudden uptick in its efficacy or even enthusiasm of effort.
trinque: asciilifeform: you do realize that such a thing is likely to ship with an ill-formed definition of to whom the new rules apply?
trinque: further you're not my source of advice on subj.
asciilifeform: trinque: i actually had nfi the rule were new. coinbase et al have been enforcing it for years afaik
trinque: deedbot wallet is shutting down; anyone using is invited to withdraw.
asciilifeform: trinque: plz invoice me for deedbot for 1y (or is also being discontinued?) then will wd the remainder
trinque: deedbot the IRC thinger is fine, will keep alive.
asciilifeform: trinque: outta curiosity, was asciilifeform the last remaining user ?
trinque: wont say specifically, but it's practically dead anyway yes
asciilifeform: kudos to trinque , then, for keeping it going for even so long.
asciilifeform: trinque: just now i am not near the launch codes, but if yer shutting down 'asap' plz feel free to eject my remaining pocket change into the signed addr on my www. but if can wait, i'ma issue the command properly some time tomorrow
trinque: happy to give folks until the 25th, then will generate privkeys and encrypt to their gpg keys and send.
trinque: if BingoBoingo surfaces and is interested in continuing operation, still open to that also.
asciilifeform sad to see the walletron close , but did not expect trinque to run it 4evah, given the sneakernet mechanism
trinque: but none of you want the scenario where I herp pompously in the face of increased derpitude, sink, and take your coins with.
trinque: yep, was a decent cold storage solution for its time
asciilifeform: trinque: i didn't think of it as a 'cold' mechanism. rather, opposite
asciilifeform: 'hot toaster'
trinque: well, other details were
trinque: the dbtronic end was nice for store account, eyp
asciilifeform: 'cold' in my mind is when etched in glass and buried or equiv. etc
trinque: gapped then, yes
asciilifeform: but, yes, a++ kudos to trinque for running -- afaik -- the only store service that never once lost or pinched so much as bitcent
thimbronion: Bitcoin atms, which were mostly buy-only anyway, are now fucked, I guess.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: where i live, there's a great many, but they all have palmprint, passport reader, similar instruments of torture, built in
asciilifeform: thimbronion: why, in your town they were anonymous ?
trinque: thimbronion: this is the regulatory capture of coinbase et al
thimbronion: asciilifeform: yes - stick in cash and scan in address qr code.
trinque: their former c-level derp of w/e is now the v serious derp of currency somethings at treasury
thimbronion: for an outrageous price, of course.
asciilifeform: trinque: afaik all of this happened some time in 2014.. i suppose wasn't 'evenly distributed'
trinque: yup, it's still propagating
asciilifeform: i've seen 'bitcoin atm' of various types since at least '15. but never once saw 'anonymous' variant.
mats: if you go to larger metro areas you might still find atms without kyc, or trades up to some low amt like 3k with sms verification
asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform already since 2014 have been inhabiting the gulag which seems to freshly terrify trinque . already, since then, treated bitcoin as 'write-only memory'.
asciilifeform: and not even purchased, since then, in anyffin resembling an exchange house
trinque: terrify nothing. I intend to have operated the item with the perfection you mentioned.
trinque: going down with it on "honor" is not ^
asciilifeform: trinque: re: the 'who doesn't claim by 25th' -- in the hypothesis where gestapo is circling above trinque for him being known to hold privkeys for megacoin -- what's to convince'em that you no longer have the plantext privs ?
asciilifeform: i.e. how's closing the wallet actually an 'out' under this cosmography ?
mats: i used to go on day-long trips via car to get to an atm, at quarterly to semiannual intervals
trinque: there's nothing wrong with there being a web wallet currently
trinque: oodles of them everywhere
trinque: I expect them to shit out some ill-defined nonsense prior to trump leaving office, and I do not wish to be in the way of them breaking ^
trinque: that twat munchkin said as much
asciilifeform not tuned into the munchkin news, and doesn't intend to start, ftr.
asciilifeform still astonished that there was, all the way to almost present-day, supposedly somewhere in usa where one could sell coin for paper moneys w/out fingerprints !
asciilifeform: (or at least without ~overt~ recorder of fingerprints..)
thimbronion: asciilifeform: last atm I saw was at a strip joint.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: i presume, of the anon type ?
thimbronion: asciilifeform: never used. Can't confirm.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: funnily enuff, the last 1 i encountered (was in a dry cleanr? or similar, i fughet) not only demanded mug shots in camera and fingers, and driver license, and home addr (?) , but advertised that it can only sell or buy 2500 $ worth of coin. in a day, to all users, summed.
thimbronion: It's possible the girls used it to pay for backpage ads back in the day.
asciilifeform: i've never thought of 'btc atm' as anything other than a kind of derisive joke by usg & muppet co.
asciilifeform: never imagined that , somewhere, they were actually usable at some pt.
asciilifeform: saw one at a petrol station; and on top of the other abuses, it did not even dispense 'qr code' or etc. privkey w/ coin , if you bought ; instead gives you... magic url at some gox. to 'claim yer coin'.
mats: theyre generally useless if you randomly find one in the wild, but there are sites that aggregate locations, rates, kyc reqs, daily limits
asciilifeform: mats: wonder how often they're inspected to ensure that they actually force fingers etc
mats: im still waiting to read the news where someone pilfers it due to some android nday
asciilifeform: (or for that matter, that they actually read driver license etc. and won't accept a photo of rando piece of rubbish)
asciilifeform: the face reader, already 'academic', has become entirely unremarkable for folx to walk around in full face mask
verisimilitude: I'd figure the way to exchange USD for BTC is to find an interested local, and worry if he be a fed or not.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: or -- outside reich -- w/out the 'worry'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo did this for yrs
thimbronion: verisimilitude: make friends with the Chinese. They generally have no respect for the law.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: in usa this doesn't help not because there are fed provocateurs errywhere, but because -- unless you are already living like mafia -- you can't actually cover your expenses w/ a suitcase of benjies
asciilifeform: (i.e. they're payable only via usg-electrousd)
verisimilitude: I've enough friends, next to none, thimbronion.
mats: like a quarter of americans are living in the cash economy noproblems
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-12-18#1027023 <<< aha thimbronion this girl I know in Atlanta works @ strip club, buys from atm there.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-18 18:06:06 thimbronion: asciilifeform: last atm I saw was at a strip joint.
asciilifeform: mats: right. but generally req's meatwot.
mats: on taiwanese tv in feb i saw a demo of a chinese software that does top-half face recognition
asciilifeform: mats: i've been seeing plenty of folx in full-face masks.
verisimilitude: The general pattern of ``Rules for thee, not for me.'' over the millenia is interesting.
verisimilitude: ``Slavery is bad, but the elected officials still get to use prisoners this way.''
mats: i hope the vaccines fail and this continues forever
mats: i love wearing masks
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: in which millenium was this mythical '1 rules for all' ? i'm not aware of any
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-12-18#1027017 <<< note the timing too, 15 days right in middle of holiday season, to reduce commments on it no doubt
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-18 18:00:44 trinque: I expect them to shit out some ill-defined nonsense prior to trump leaving office, and I do not wish to be in the way of them breaking ^
verisimilitude: ``Money laundering is bad, but yes people spend tens of thousands of dollars buying coins in my app.''
mats: people are never as hot as they are in your imagination
verisimilitude: I never implied such existed, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: mats: metoo, masks are great. i've even 1 with 'beak'
verisimilitude: It's nice enough, shopping occasionally with cash and wearing a mask, carrying no cell phone which looks for beacons, but there's still constant tracking through license plates and whatnot.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i'm not seeing the monumental shocking 'screw tightening' in that link. srsly, erry gox has been collecting passport shots for anyone doing serious volume since... the original gox, iirc
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: walk?
verisimilitude: I'm fortunate to live a long ways away from most shops I'd want to visit, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i'd work on moving. (lived in a hellhole like this -- moved.)
asciilifeform: it's no way to live.
verisimilitude: I agree, but I don't have much choice currently.
verisimilitude: I'm mostly a shut-in, anyway.
verisimilitude: Say, today I was wondering how Emacs achieved its global-hl-line-mode and whether it redrew the lines with the background colour changed or not. I've searched through Emacs and Ncurses, finding naught. My suspicion is it's either redrawing, or there's an informal terminal mode I'm unaware of which does this. Does anyone here know more?
verisimilitude: I've noticed no flicker, so it doesn't seem like it's necessarily redrawing.
trinque: quick search of the src says make-overlay is involved
trinque: would look there
verisimilitude: My searching brought me to overlay-put, but it's a mess of C language code from there.
verisimilitude: Giving it more thought again, I should probably just collect the output and pore over it.
BingoBoingo: trinque Currently hitting head on different aspects of freedom. Will consider, but not particularly inclined to pick up wallet
verisimilitude: It's just redrawing.
BingoBoingo has been treating life as though everything after March is overtime. The world as I knew it ended. After hitting my head and cutting some dead weight... I have been using my freedom for... higher risk lifestyle.
trinque: BingoBoingo: not a problem; I wouldn't suggest you do it without interest.
verisimilitude: My general attitude of apathy suits me well, BingoBoingo, and I've written about this.
verisimilitude: I'm certainly not going to care about living a ``normal'' life, even moreso given the events of this year, yes.
verisimilitude: In lighter news, I expect to be able to release a newer MMC targeting on 2020-12-25, and I've just now got it up and running from its prime loop; it's such a pleasant sensation, when the program can ``walk on its own'' in this way.
verisimilitude: It's unnecessarily difficult to program these machines but, once I ``get the ball rolling'', it's not so bad.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-12-18#1027079 << wai so 'emo', BingoBoingo ? iirc you've an orcish passport + enuff coin to eat for century+ ! most folx can only dream of these
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-18 19:51:17 BingoBoingo: has been treating life as though everything after March is overtime. The world as I knew it ended. After hitting my head and cutting some dead weight... I have been using my freedom for... higher risk lifestyle.
trinque: hey, maybe the higher-risk lifestyle's fun as hell.
trinque: my mind went straight to hookers and motorcyles, personally.