BingoBoingo: asciilifeform Occasionally orcs have the Miami illusion broken, but more rubbing faces of Californians and New Yorkers that they are third world now.
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cgra: asciilifeform: i've taken a break from trb study and sat on your FFA course bench
cgra: the context strongly suggests i just atm suck at binary thinking, so i came looking for advice to better understand the thought model related to FZ word order. It's been discussed
previously, but I didn't get a clue from there enough to understand why isn't junior-word-first worse than senior-word-first
snsabot: (trilema) 2019-04-18 asciilifeform: to sum up the thread, asciilifeform's 'official' position is that this entire subj is exactly naggum's 'tooth licking' -- it is problem only if someone fixates on thinking of it as problem.
cgra: personally, my brain melts
at this point (i have no issue with ch 10 diagrams), because while Q's bits really step into R, shifting QR contents *left* strongly suggests the opposite, "QR" has "R" on the right, from where going left, ends up in "Q".
cgra: i didn't understand how
ada index syntax would've helped anything. my brain keeps insisting on "why not senior word on FZ'First, junior word on FZ'Last", and get rid of extra "shift zig-zag" thinking pattern
snsabot: (trilema) 2019-04-18 asciilifeform: folx who dun like that ada asks you to write arrays low ... high , can make own lang and write arithmetron for selves in it, it is not a priority for asciilifeform and i dun see an argument for making it one.
cgra: possibly only in my brain, i'll try and open it up more:
cgra: shifting left contents of "QR", would imply by name that whatever is on R, drifts into Q. which is not true in this case. when i try to get my head around of the reality, this is where i end up thinking zig-zag.
cgra: where should i look for to understand why junior-word-first?
cgra: just dig libs' code?
cgra: heh, yes. this must be why it isn't talked much. it's exactly how i feel, too. my brain was wired "left-handed" apparently
cgra: i keep wanting to think the bignum in "paper order", and i get zig-zag on shifts if they're junior-first, ie. not paper order
cgra: asciilifeform: is "paper order" senior-word first in your mind?
cgra: my brain wants words to be in same order as in intra-word bits, does that make any more sense?
cgra: asciilifeform: yeah this, sounds what i meant
cgra: i suppose in the long run, shouldn't hurt to exercise my brain though (for reading versatility), asciilifeform have any idea from where did this model of thinking got stuck?
cgra: asciilifeform: i'll take notes of those "zig-zag" issues and let you know sometime in the future
cgra: asciilifeform: i gotta split as well, had really small window of contact here. i'll consider your comments and return when got anything to talk about
shinohai: asciilifeform: "internal server error" when searching logs on yer www