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Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: do you have experience with this claim ?
snsabot: (trilema) 2020-02-01 mircea_popescu: it doesn't even fucking save memory, the five bytes this'll save over a lifetime is dwarved by the five megabytes in extra libc needed to support the insanity
Apocalyptic: evaluating expression in if blocks seem to be well defined in C89, why would you need 5 MB, let alone extra libc to support that ?
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: the part re 'massive chunk of libc' is plain nonsense, libc has 0 to do w/ the c grammar, and i've built 'over 9000' c proggies w/out libc linked
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: even if were re the co
Apocalyptic: that was my thinking as well, had to double check
asciilifeform: compiler -- still exaggeration
Apocalyptic: I can see massive chunk of libc to be involved only by including new calls to functions
Apocalyptic: which clearly isn't the case here
shinohai: php. It rots the brain.
Apocalyptic: anyway just another mp-claim from arse then
asciilifeform: shinohai: fella doesn't program. this has both + and - sides. very often had ~right~ idea of 'how ought to work' specifically because not absorbed 'industry standard' nonsense.
asciilifeform: moreover, i dun expect folx who never had occasion to write (even toy) compiler, to have solid idea re what syntactic knobs are expensive to implement, and which -- cheap
asciilifeform: this sometimes applies even to folx who nominally 'went in for book larnin-'. e.g. gosling had notion that lambdas 'cost too much' when shat forth java. and van rossum, similarly, re python
asciilifeform: difficult to evaluate costs/roi of thing you dun use. there's a very specific mindset of some designers, where 'you wouldn't ask cow re how to design meat processing plant'
asciilifeform: see also.
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, it seems that phf is alive -- and updated patch display! ty phf. plz consider visit to #a !
asciilifeform: e.g. logotron tree nao current, also.
shinohai: oh hey, neato
asciilifeform: jfw's keksum also nao there.
asciilifeform: damaki: who might you be ?
asciilifeform: * damaki has quit (Quit: Leaving) << lol apparently these end up here instead of in #t nao... nfi
asciilifeform: in other lulz
asciilifeform: 5.101.0.209 - - [01/Feb/2020:22:56:21 +0000] "GET /?a=fetch&content=<php>die(@md5(HelloThinkCMF))</php> HTTP/1.1" 302 215 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/78.0.3904.108 Safari/537.36" "-
asciilifeform: poor sad phucks have nfi that there aint any php there..

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