asciilifeform: wb davout
asciilifeform: !q uptime
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 11d 13h 36m
asciilifeform: trinque, BingoBoingo : i added your chans to my logger.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty
asciilifeform: still gotta import the logs tho ( i've an auto-syncer but it doesn't properly shift indices yet, so will have to manual. ) lemme know if either of you have canonical copies you want eaten.
BingoBoingo: Back to when lobbes started logging is fine. It's been a quiet channel for quite some time
asciilifeform: pretty interesting, btw, mp piece. fella can no moar imagine that he aint the prime mover of the universe, for whose magic wand of 'approval' the slaves labour, the oceans part, than he can grow 3rd arm.
asciilifeform: apparently when dictator, sole arbiter of truth, sanity, factuality, etc. decrees, 'freedom is slavery', 'black is white', asciilifeform cynically used mp , etc. then must be fact.
asciilifeform wonders how many more kilometres of gleichschaltung is still on mp's conveyor, or finally done.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: why not write your own thoughts?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma write. (dun expect it'll have much effect -- on folx who bought hook, line, sinker, into 'republic with caesar' -- but it's in the queue.)
diana_coman: asciilifeform: well, you wouldn't write it for effects anyway, would you?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i gave up on 'see effects while alive' long before met mp et al.
diana_coman: but you know, the way you frame it, there's anyway only "buying" ie either your version or something else but at any rate, nothing than a blind buy.
asciilifeform: i suspect it's what he confuses for 'depersonalized'/'armchair'.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: whether 'blind' buy or not, i'm not aware yet of anyone 'buying asciilifeform's ver.'; and for that matter i fully expect mp will continue to very successfully sell his narcissism , using bait made from (among other things) asciilifeform's stolen work, for years.
diana_coman: I see.
asciilifeform: fwiw, a beekeeper is fully within his rights to decide that bees are a loathesome mistake of nature, and replace the smoke in the bellows w/ zyklon. the next logical step, obv, is to mix some sugar and flour for his table and call 'honey'.
asciilifeform: ftr the 'not intentional scam' feeling is mutual. i dun believe that mp consciously steals -- insects, sofas, 'engineers', aint, in his cosmography, alive, what'd it mean to 'steal' from them. simply sees as 'natural resource.'
asciilifeform: re the 'circles', i've no intention of interfering w/ mp's unimpeded straight-line path into narcissist paradise. next time he decides e.g., to make an exponential-time hash algo and mandate its use, or decides that 'OTP is inherently biased', he can save own arse. or the troo orthodox non-'engineers' can save him if they're able and incli
asciilifeform: ned to 'circles'.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform meanwhile will continue building indestructible tanks for the actual, decentralized (i.e. 0 caesars) republic. whether or not it yet exists, or in fact could exist. ( dun see wai mp would give a damn, in his cosmography no such thing is possible, how could be harmed by imaginary and logically impossible object ? )
asciilifeform apparently might be pretty dumb after all -- fell for the 'oldest trick in the book', the 'temporary dictator'.
asciilifeform bbl, off for some mindless insect work.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: why so bitter though? quality of outputs was and is recognised even now - and if you actually read what everyone and anyone said, it's stated plainly.
trinque: the example of dictatorship there is you convincing him otherwise, isn't it?
trinque: as for decentralization, hell yes. stupidity of all time that WoT is a thing some guy runs on a particular server or two.
diana_coman: trinque: where can I get the stuff to mirror the WoT like I did the logger?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: My present sadness stems from the fact that I *do* buy your version.
diana_coman: replicate I suppose, rather than mirror
trinque: diana_coman: getting my code shelf in order today, and will also point you at the database exports.
trinque: still doing a bit of picking up the pieces
trinque: there's an article coming
diana_coman: trinque: yay, glad to hear it; and no extreme hurry.
davout: asciilifeform: danke schön
asciilifeform: trinque: imho the correct way to do wot is gossipd-style, where you can query a node yer in communion with, for ratings. but the obv. next best thing is a constellation, like the loggers. and if yer willing, we can make this, i dun think it will take years.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-03#1001179 << ftr i respect diana_coman's 'you had quality outputs' . ( dunno that the folx busy w/ 'get salt outta the bread' would concur tho. )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-03 19:26:12 diana_coman: asciilifeform: why so bitter though? quality of outputs was and is recognised even now - and if you actually read what everyone and anyone said, it's stated plainly.
trinque: would you stop bawing already. name someone or cut it out.
asciilifeform: trinque: mp, hanbot, so far, afaik.
trinque: speaking to das man otherwise
asciilifeform: trinque: moar interested in setting up working systems atm than 'bawl'.
trinque: the salt was your salty exterior, not the technical products, and you already know that.
trinque: back on subj, decentralized WoT is long overdue.
asciilifeform: indeed, high time.
asciilifeform: trinque: i'ma set up mirror of yours immediately when the requisite pieces published.
asciilifeform: imho that oughta come 1st.
trinque: yep, this I'm working on right now.
asciilifeform looking forward to working w/ cl proggy again.
asciilifeform: spyked if yer tuned in -- i'd like to request the feedbot here.
shinohai: ./eval (write-line "Me too!")
btcinfobot: "Me too!"
asciilifeform: shinohai: wassat ?
shinohai: My logging bot, also haz eval function (wanted something similar to ben_vulpes candylust bot)