mp_en_viaje: the days seem to pass like for women, as if the passage itself is a gain alone, as if some kind of implicitly valuable thing is growing in your viscera by itself, in the dark, unknown and incomprehensible, allthewhile all you have to do is keep stuffing food down one end of a digestive tube and evacuate out the other at regular enough intervals -- mariahilf will provide for the rest, for all the rest.
mp_en_viaje: you dropped your life to move there, physically, yes. the distance is good, the environment stable, all the conceivable prerequisites for undisturbed, uninterrupted study in place. but have you studied ? what have you studied ?
mp_en_viaje: you're, for the experience, not now an experienced sales guy. what are you ? what were these months spent doing ?
mp_en_viaje: you're, for the experience, not now an experienced, seasoned dc technician. i was waiting for the word "pcap" to come out of you, as a token show of even having a clue what the fuck this all is -- zilch.
mp_en_viaje: so, you take job running isp, have some time there, do not spend that time to acquire the things someone running isp has and you do not. then later, you're doing whatever it is you're doing for pizarro, it's not clear to me (or, i suspect, to them), but you don't actually acquire ~any~ kind of skills involved.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo_, i tell you i don't comprehend this defective approach, as seen in "I don't know if I can continue to make camp in Uruguay on Qntra alone or in combination with the local economy of faltas. Maybe I breed rabbits" and elsewhere.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 03:37:23 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, honestly i ddin't want to use them because moldavia right next to ru geograpically, but i guess they're making it strictly impossible not to. i will have to sit down lobbes' thing somewhere as per our contract, and considering it's been a fucking month ALREADY i'd rather not have it waited, especially indefinitely.
mp_en_viaje: the terseness is a restrospectively evident winning principle ; and your handling of the labels-and-references indirection layers just fine.
mp_en_viaje: "the body of work I have written for Qntra" << it is pretty fucking good. i usually read it as it comes out ; but it IS news, so i also read it like i read news, six months to a year+ later.
mp_en_viaje: "I volunteered for the Uruguay mission to save Qntra" << i remember that part
mp_en_viaje: meh, http://bingology.net/2019/10/07/i-sit-i-weigh/ not accessible, and i'm guessing was accessible for too short an interval for lobbesbot to archive it, as not avail there either.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, honestly i ddin't want to use them because moldavia right next to ru geograpically, but i guess they're making it strictly impossible not to. i will have to sit down lobbes' thing somewhere as per our contract, and considering it's been a fucking month ALREADY i'd rather not have it waited, especially indefinitely.
diana_coman: upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail
lobbes: I am getting quite tired of the ameri-cunt in general
mp_en_viaje: but in any case the obesity trend not yet caught on here.
mp_en_viaje: guaranteed the local cunt beats ~anything you can find in the us, even if you compare escorts only.
mp_en_viaje: 3 mo there, 3 mo here, wth, you need paperwork like you need fake tits.
mp_en_viaje: you're not thinking this right. bratislava is across the water, 30km or so.
lobbes: problem with der osterreich last time I looked into it, though, was that they required something like 8 years of living to get permanent residence or somesuch. But this was some time ago when I looked into it
mp_en_viaje: zek flat in zek zone ~1-1.5k eur/sqm, usually in the 100ish sqm range.
mp_en_viaje: if you have other metrics you use to rank expensiveness lemme know, can prolly fill in.
lobbes: it certainly looks clean from the photos. And no bums just sells it more for me
mp_en_viaje: 3 day subway pass like 25 euro or so. but the subway here kicks ass, possibly best subsystem anywhere in white folk world. for one thing : NEVER CLOSES. all day, every day, same schedule, many lines, very well distributed, many trains, well signalled, fucking pleasure.
mp_en_viaje: cabs are like 2.something euro/km, but EXTREMELY efficient and pleasant, only place in my current travels where cab service was actually on par with cluj in the 90s.
lobbes: Week 5 will consist of tying off any loose ends, and continued testing. I also will need to start 'pre-grinding' the code I currently have to 'fork' from the direct_disconnect.kv.vpatch
lobbes: since my [blog.lobbesblog.com][main blog] is stuck in the latech mire atm, I will give my unofficial 'mp-wp-bot week 5 workplan' in the logs: I have virtually all of week 4's work complete, save for the piping in of needed values from the mp-wp-config bits, which I may be able to complete tonight.
lobbes: (No selection working on above test blog, so can't link to portion specifically. Though folx can laugh at my solipsistic rantings as they scroll toward the 03:00 mark I suppose)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 08:51:35 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other news hey lobbes http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/10/trilema-lobbes-log-for-2019-10-03/ an' the rest look exactly right
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940758 << nice to hear! I finally got the timestamp delimiters working near the end of the log for 2019-10-06
mp_en_viaje: notice in particular the peaks specifically taylored to 12.5 MBps (aka 100 Mbps, ie what the smallest line is)
mp_en_viaje: nevertheless, i think it well evinces the "normal traffic" vs "wanna-be retard" disctintion. now what if i were to take ever single graph-obvious ding as a ddos ?! i mean, count them, there's dozens just today -- again, a ~very slow~ day as these go
mp_en_viaje: this is a very slow day as far as these go ; notwithstanding i just publisjhed a massive, 300 pic, 30mb article yesterday. "ddos" has ~no connection in observed practice to any such practical details, it'll happen whenever some moron / machine gets an erection, not when "you did this or that".
BingoBoingo to walk, visit servers, contemplate failure to grow in the necessary line, search out food, and return to figure out wth else can be done today before going to bed sober again.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 16:52:01 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940666 << this is sad, but unrelated. you drop the hand when you establish it can't win, not when you decide you "can afford to lose" your imaginary share of the value of the pot.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 14:46:49 asciilifeform: i dun even disagree with mp_en_viaje's drop if you can't win -- but the flip side is that must NOT surrender if still could.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940905 << sure. but it all necessarily starts with at the very least knowing what the fuck world you live on, which planet, what year it is. something!
mp_en_viaje: if not -- not. but YOU'RE THE ONES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THIS. cuz you're the ones fucking living there, whose business this is, and etcetera. wth already.
mp_en_viaje: take out advertising in local paper as to how they defraud businesses, which is perfectly legal if plain statement of claims in ongoing legal proceeding, and there you go.
mp_en_viaje: or w/e, their legal dept settle it out.
mp_en_viaje: if indeed they just hitched you to an existing pipe and pretended, it's time to serve them papers registered with the whatever local intendencia handles business fraud.
mp_en_viaje: you should in principle should [have been] able to see this, in the fucking dc, as it's visibly self-evident.
mp_en_viaje: so the notion that "latechco is protecting other derps" can't possibly hold any water : you're the only derps on the two 100mb lines and the one c-block route you pay for.
mp_en_viaje: similarily, the routes they (latechco) advertise are discrete at the c-block level, meaning pizarro's allocation is ONE WHOLE ITEM, not a fraction.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 14:43:59 BingoBoingo: It is appearing that is the case. It seems Latecho is creating our pipe by using a router that splits our bandwith from a bigger Antel pipe coming into Latecho. Rather than having acquired a line for the purpose of serving us, it appears from this crisis and their reaction that they simply contracted more bandwidth to a pipe they already had.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940903 << this is dubious. no actual data to go on but the generals : there's obviousl;y ganged multi-gb megaswitches available, in actual places where actual transit happens. say frankfurt. i doubt obscure antel of nowhereland has ZERO 100mb lines, and thus in order to get 200mb you have to cut down a 1gb line. seems rather the 100mb is made by welding two 100mb lines togeth
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 14:35:55 asciilifeform: then to hang directly off antel may be the ticket.
mp_en_viaje: pizarro not only failed to bring new blood, but effectually killed other people's efforts at same!!!!
diana_coman: fuck; those guys were meant to publish their plans+ reviews today, ugh.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Not if you are using the qntra name servers instead of a host file to resolve
mp_en_viaje: no, keks. hey hanbot_abroad your blog is down wtf sorta operation are you running there !!eleventy11
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: The DNS server IPs are now both down. Shared server is still up.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, listen, take the weekend off / do some writing / whatever you don't need the pizmess for.
mp_en_viaje: ie, if you had a healthy customer base built in the intervening peacetime, this wouldn't even be much of a problem, per se. and if you don't build same, nothing else will be any kind of solution, no matter what it is, up to and including god's own hand coming down from heavens above holding a shimmering rjack finished in pure samite.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940879 << i honestly don't think specific derpitude in uruguay is the problem. sales is the problem, and has been, and i expect shall remain.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 13:58:21 asciilifeform: before this escapes >> read it, and looked useful, until got to the part where python3.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940853 << this is funny because you're the only one here who had, for years, hosted your blog thus. but yes, untenable in practice.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, understand, pre-distributed clients connect to specified ip. there's no easy way to change the ip, as it lives in a config file on player side.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 13:10:55 BingoBoingo: For all I know the DDoS is done by the Cloudflare sales department
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: sadly for production server I don't think it's useful to change the IP; I suppose we are lucky in that it's now rather than after eulora release.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: If you find the proposition useful take .230 through .235 for the eulora server
mp_en_viaje: yeah, it's not in principle possible to run a game server "with secret ip". moreover, all domain names always resolve to an ip as well, the whole "cloak" bs is ... well, you know.
diana_coman: meanwhile production Eulora server unreachable; fwiw the testing server is still reachable.
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo . re the rest , mp_en_viaje has it 100% , atm we dun even know wtf this was
asciilifeform was in the midst of setting up a (dulap-side, hence would say nuffin re ~total mass~, but at least sumthing re ~type~) probe , but did not live long enuff to finish.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 19:25:34 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, what's wrong with "i will absolutely need a proper packet capture here, the colorful graphs and choice epithets don't help. can you send the relevant .pcap files over please"
asciilifeform: if diana_coman or lobbes get to this 1st, i will later sign & mirror the patch .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it was on asciilifeform's chalkboard, but in the cacophony of disconnectism etc neglected it .
diana_coman: I wanted to say that I read a bit around the shlex python thing too but I never used it before so still unsure re direct fix
asciilifeform: the 'shlex' thing.
asciilifeform: will have to revert it by removing the double-quote support and making from scratch, asciilifeform tried, like complete chump, to use a built-in py knob for it
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941077 - I don't see it in either of the last 2 vpatches; fwiw I looked in the reader's code too: the tokenizer treats the ' as start of a quote and then fails for not having the end ' it expects
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 18:42:28 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: From what I can see it looks like they went ahead and blackholed a portion of the IP space. half the rockchips, dulap, and another IP
mp_en_viaje: there's extremely little anything to go on, and it's not ALL the fault of some dude named oscar
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-12 12:47:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: atm we still have 'kolhoz' bandwidth, i.e. 'all you can eat', but i expect if we put up an image paster it'll saturate the pipe 100% . ( naturally if mircea_popescu wants to make arrangements to get monster pipe specially for this experiment, i'ma work with him to make it go. but promises to be costly. )
mp_en_viaje: anyway, the naive impression was that the (~deliberate~) upside of "kolhoz-style" is passive "ddos" mitigation, whereby pizz pipe absorbs individual hits in this manner. was this intended function ? was it ever measured/monitored ? did it critically fail, what happened ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-08 11:31:29 asciilifeform: i vaguely suspected btw that all the major bugs in bot would be found in disconnect handling. piz pipe is so stable that not seen naturally-occurring disconnect yet...
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, what's wrong with "i will absolutely need a proper packet capture here, the colorful graphs and choice epithets don't help. can you send the relevant .pcap files over please"
mp_en_viaje: nor is the situation looking any better from the converse end. was eg http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932422 ever followed up on ? can you folk answer whether you're 1% or 99% saturated during normal course of business ? maybe you just hit the upper bounds on bw and this is how it looks ?
BingoBoingo: ? sucediendo." << Is this the sort of response I should send before scheduling a sit down?
BingoBoingo: "Can I get a packet dump from at least one of the floods before sitting down and discussing options for moving forward. The graphs seem to show when activity is happening, but they lack information that could be used to put together a mitigation strategy. Is the incoming traffic UDP, TCP, ICMP, etc? Is there any information that suggests an origin or origins. Hay una falta de información forense que pueda ayudar a evaluar lo que est?
mp_en_viaje: "here's the 5k packets you received during 10 minutes, LISTED. we can't handle over 10/s, sorry" is one thing. "here's some colors" is... another thing.
mp_en_viaje: the 7007245 hits for 24 days of june (2016!) ~averages~ to almost 300k a day, meaning it peaks above that, meaning etcetera. ima stop quoting these, but the idea is : i can't even currently guess whether your contact deems 1 connection/second a ddos. maybe it does, nfi, no way to tell from those derpy graphs. is it 10 ? 100 ? dude has no fucking idea either
mp_en_viaje: but the overarching point : a certain amount of toy "ddos" is ~GUARANTEED~. carries no meaning, attaches to no identity, has nothing to do with you in any way. it's like "a certain level of hardship is guaranteed outdoors", unfucking avoidable.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, do you see the difference between my cascade of links and that ?
mp_en_viaje: and so following, i could keep quoting these, from http://trilema.com/2016/the-internet-of-shit/ to whatever, http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014/?b=the%20live&e=log#select shows, specifically, 202136 hits between 05:56:35 and 06:01:56, that's then 1k connections/second or thereabouts...
BingoBoingo: Oscar sent this graph last night http://pizarroisp.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/recentgraph.png I suppose I can ask again for a packet dump or some sort of information on the origin of the traffic.
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2019/i-dont-get-it/ 21217 / 12 / 3600 = .5/s sustained over half a day, with a normal distribution reasonably peaked at 8 or so /s, ie another 6-7Mbps item.
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014/ forinstance. 6x ~100kB/s = 4.8Mbps. "ddos".
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 13:05:51 asciilifeform: ddosism i suspect will follow all attempts to build republican isp. and will appear at the maximally effective time, i.e. when resources have already been sunk into buildout, long-term contracts with pipe seller signed, etc
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940843 << it's very difficult to evaluate key metrics because of the extrmely poor quality of available data. a certain amt of "ddos" is ~extremely~ common, and in no way or manner related to anything or to any degree intentional. i periodically published on trilema lists of what'd qualify as "ddos" by 1999 standards say. let me fish some out, why not.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: hm, my deployed code is pressed up to active_disconnect; I'll check the following 2
mp_en_viaje: in fairness, it's entirely possible they don't even know what it is / how to make one.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: From what I can see it looks like they went ahead and blackholed a portion of the IP space. half the rockchips, dulap, and another IP
mp_en_viaje: a cool then.
asciilifeform: at this pt i'ma take whatever advice mp_en_viaje offers , re how to work these.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 22:01:52 mp_en_viaje: personally has no intention of pulling the plug over diana_coman 's inability to do smg work today because of this for instance ;
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i already said that http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940475 ; this hasn't changed notwithstanding it seems the one day is turning into a long weekend.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 15:13:21 mp_en_viaje: as it turns out, it's a hollow spec, entirely holy water dousing. the orcs are just as pantsuit as the zeks, they're just too stupid to express it in specific forms, but otherwise will pantsuit reliably anyways.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 17:35:49 asciilifeform: then will actually fulfill mp's orig spec of 'own fucking line, with no one to say 'we pulled you to protect our other derps' )
asciilifeform currently forming impression that mp_en_viaje dun even wants to wait for latech call, or e.g. these , and that time to evacuate ?
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform wanted to know the folks in line for Rockchip
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, as there was no pizarro in 2016, i dun think this has any bearing ? or wha tare we talking about ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: he's the renamed d00d. iirc was originally this, aha
mp_en_viaje: exact same for a putative bitcoin foundation, together with a "count of donated bitcoins from the wider community"
asciilifeform: which was being built ( on asciilifeform's desk , needs still the ssds ) but now nowhere for it to live.
asciilifeform: there were ( BingoBoingo may have exact # ) several people queued for rk.
mp_en_viaje: either you sell or else, sooner or later, you discover your infrastructure rotted.
mp_en_viaje: sales is ~the whole thing.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i don't know why you keep saying that. sales is neither an optional nor a coinditional part of business.
asciilifeform: can't sell boxen that aint there.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: dun fughet where bv ended up delivering a crate for the cost of 3
mp_en_viaje: then took about a year for you folk to unconvincingly maneuver in the general direction of maybe any day now imminently starting a sales process
mp_en_viaje: anyways, there were then protracted derpings with the transfer, took like 6 months for you folk to (maybe ?) disentangle screamingly idiotic business practices including large encrypted scratch files etc.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: nao, fast-fwd, mp_en_viaje in effect owns piz (there's ~no piz if mp_en_viaje & co not subscribed, working pipe or not ) .
mp_en_viaje: mod6 + benvulpes bought it iirc, and they did ~same for a while, then eventually you reorganized it as a venture that's specifically not to include my say lest i wreck it, which incidentally i've respected to date, notwithstandin gall sorts of incidental ineptitudes baked in all through.
asciilifeform: mod6 (at first as an act of tbf, but then bought back personally) + asciilifeform , bought, 50/50
mp_en_viaje: a brief history of pizarro would be, that after a lot of me haranguing over how the republic will cease without isp, BingoBoingo volunteered to go somewhere. the whole affair was very open handed, with him given a budget and a task. he picked uy, went there, failed to do a number of specific things, which resulted in me pulling the plug and selling the thing off 10cents to the dollar or somesuch.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: recall how asciilifeform ended up with the job to start with ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i haven't the capital to take it out, or a where-to.
mp_en_viaje: it didn't get past the starting, by specifically avoiding any sort of sales. in three instantiations.
mp_en_viaje: pizarro failed to sell, and failed to get localized in the one location it decided to care about.
asciilifeform: right but elementarily did not have the capital or the manpower to start with other than 1 rack and handful of irons.
mp_en_viaje: none of this is contentions, or that relevant. yes, if pizarro had 5k customers paying it 50k/mo it could've conceivably had the 25 boxes in 25 dcs.
mp_en_viaje: you said something that doesn't read but nevertheless implies "oh, this multi-dc thing is what i proposed and you rejected in 2017". then upon review it comes out i never rejected. then you link somewhere else where we discuss how, if pizarro ever manages to get any business, it can grow.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there, also , and where mp: 'we'll have 25 locations, 25 racks' etc
mp_en_viaje: nope. the only possible take is that ineptitude doesn't fix itself, either you fix it or it stays.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 17:22:43 asciilifeform: in fuckholistans, the boxen will be electrically molested ; in 'civilized' -- physically.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, did i miss something in there ? seems to me that "this alternative is unrelated to a proposal by asciilifeform back in 2017 when he couldn't get anyone to usefully answer from ru or india" would be a much closer summary.
mp_en_viaje: it'd have been much better if resident in small orcistan ended up with strong local presence to the point of running in local elections etc.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yes, he flies. airfare in yurp is in the 50euro range.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-27#1004197 << i am with you here, there doesn't seem to be a problem ?
mp_en_viaje: as it turns out, it's a hollow spec, entirely holy water dousing. the orcs are just as pantsuit as the zeks, they're just too stupid to express it in specific forms, but otherwise will pantsuit reliably anyways.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i know you don't liek to read castles, but this thread b/w asciilifeform and diana_coman's heathen isp man is pertinent.
mp_en_viaje: and to continue that list : the "not nato" line in the original spec defo not asset. we ate the cost of orcistan, but gained (through whoever's fault, leaving this aside) no upside from orcistan. we have no priviledged connection past what somone off the street yesterday would have, but we do have massive headache with eg supplies.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the more 'exotic' iron is the fact that all of the iron lives in a cabinet operated by BingoBoingo , and not touched by unknown apes.
asciilifeform: there's several people on rk who have FG.
mp_en_viaje: i asked from the pov of pizarro ; what % of its business is related to fg deployment. i guessed a bout 40%, could be wrong, maybe it's only 20%, w/e.
mp_en_viaje: ah, from that side. what's the relevancy here ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: we made 2 parties of 100 , net 200 . 1st party sold immediately to dpb. 2nd sold to a variety of people, leaving the 36 that went to piz and a half dozen emergency spares kept in asciilifeform's desk.
mp_en_viaje: at the very least both smg servers need it, which is what, 2 out of 5 colo'd machines, with the rk making up another 1/3 of pizarro business ?
mp_en_viaje is not exact on numbers, having followed this only on the "when brought to trilema" level of detail.
mp_en_viaje: never managed to be much sold, but yes, it generated perhaps as much as 40% of the business
asciilifeform: and yes, republicans are there because republic. if republic wants isp, will have to devise how, out of what.
asciilifeform: likewise , mp_en_viaje's smg specifically landed there because wanted FG colo'd (in fact before asciilifeform had anyffin to do with the proj)
mp_en_viaje: this makes it a liability for the business.
mp_en_viaje: on the green side, you have 0 business you can point out to as acquired because specific iron configuration, in preference of random "vps" ; on the red side, you have plenty of loss you can point to as lot because same iron arrangement.
mp_en_viaje: yes, but looky : for this to be a business rather than a dream, it has to be construed, and managed, as a business.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there wasn't what to sell !
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i don't believe the iron buildout was actually an asset for pizarro, business wise.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, it beggars belief that after two years on the ground, your relationship to the derpy orc dc consists of form letters and usual arby's runaround.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, supposedly because you have good automated fallbacks people can't be bothered to write themselves. sorta early handcranked UCI.
mp_en_viaje: if pizarro is here rather than not, what's lost ?
mp_en_viaje: over all these possibilities, your entrenched, utter inability to actually produce business sits as a complete smog cover. i had been harping about how you have a limited time to life and either you use it to live or die for years because o fexactly this reason : now when the push comes to shove, who exactly is the lifeblood we're talking about ?
asciilifeform: dafuq would be the point of (2) ? that aint a locking cage, colo'd FG, etc. who the fuck needs intermediary for this, anyone can get rando heathen isp right nao.
mp_en_viaje: there'd be also a theoretical 3, where you move to different dc because this one specifically wasn't good ; but considering you didn't discover on own feet the not-goodness, but had to wait for events, thisis purely a theoretical alternative.
mp_en_viaje: 2. you folk move on to simply hiring space from 500+ random internet isps, and snowshoe your load around. this requires a lot more technical acumen than i've seen so far, seeing how you've not as much as managed to implement in practice bash scripts given on trilema for mass-interneting, the level of avg 12yo script kiddie.
mp_en_viaje: ), but instead you use 2week term to produce oscar that'd rather cut own throat than inconvenience you.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 12:59:23 BingoBoingo: the proposed sane solution
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940834 << in practice, there's the following practical solutions : 1. you folk move on to an ipx. this requires exactly the skillset you don't have, wherein you don't sit on ass 2y talking to an "oscar" who couldn't give shit about you (after however long failing to produce any modicum of insertion that led to the original blowup / massive investor haircut pizarro came out of
asciilifeform: i dun come up with these from thin air..
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940824 << the part where the bs started the day after "hey, what's with your shit bw" inquiries certainly points a hand/.
mp_en_viaje: it's funny how this shit works, we had single logger for years, then when there's finally redundancy, bang.
BingoBoingo has an asshole so sore in the metaphorical sense that he's contemplating a donut pillow
BingoBoingo: Well, from the progre horde's perspective things may look more like Mao's "Problems in China are big, but they become very small when you divide by the chinese people]
mp_en_viaje: hows the headache alfie
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 16:52:01 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940666 << this is sad, but unrelated. you drop the hand when you establish it can't win, not when you decide you "can afford to lose" your imaginary share of the value of the pot.
asciilifeform: i dun even disagree with mp_en_viaje's drop if you can't win -- but the flip side is that must NOT surrender if still could.
BingoBoingo: It is appearing that is the case. It seems Latecho is creating our pipe by using a router that splits our bandwith from a bigger Antel pipe coming into Latecho. Rather than having acquired a line for the purpose of serving us, it appears from this crisis and their reaction that they simply contracted more bandwidth to a pipe they already had.
asciilifeform: ( readers may recall that asciilifeform did not put BingoBoingo in montevideo, or the rack on latech )
asciilifeform: ( granted this setup was complete ~before~ asciilifeform picked up this grenade. but at the same time it was still a waiting bomb. )
asciilifeform: currently it seems to asciilifeform that we did a shoddy job in setting up the orig arrangement. and lived with it as long as did because 'appeared to work', just like we lived with phf's logger
asciilifeform: cuz , as mp_en_viaje observed, it's a 'cheap' ddos, given that BingoBoingo is still able to use net from his flat in the same town
asciilifeform: then will actually fulfill mp's orig spec of 'own fucking line, with no one to say 'we pulled you to protect our other derps' )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It seems the blackholing happens at the Antel level by request of Latecho
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: were you able to determine whether the blackholing is perpetrated by latech or antel ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It would mean Antel provides the RJ45 for each box, each RJ45 billed seperately. This would increase the complexity of administration and billing, but I don't know materially different it could be from the current situation in practice.
asciilifeform: it does appear that we're currently 2, rather than 1 , steps down from the orcistani national pipe.
BingoBoingo: Another, uglier option, is we either keep latecho for the cage and power or move to an Antel datacenter, explicitly become an Antel reseller where each box gets its own incoming line. I fail from this chair to see substantial increase in leverage from this route.
asciilifeform: conceivably, in the 'borderlands' -- both.
asciilifeform: in fuckholistans, the boxen will be electrically molested ; in 'civilized' -- physically.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm not even convinced that there ~is~ a 'sane choice of location' .
BingoBoingo suspects naively that airlifting to an IXP will push us towards Austria/Turkey/Poland/Belarus/etc on the other side of the Atlantic. On this side of the Atlantic mebbe Fortaleza, Brasil/Venezuela/Mexico/Panama but I suspect Panama is an awful choice
ericbot: Logged on 2016-11-18 16:41:26 mircea_popescu: nah, there's the retiring kind and the executed kind of admiral.
asciilifeform: this , i won't speculate about, will leave it to who has the capital to finance such an experiment.
asciilifeform: a set of broom closets in their houses, i expect.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if we were hosting gossipd nodes instead of public www's and irc bots, then indeed wouldn't matter that 90% of our ip block at any given time is awol. could simply walk it until connects to noad via the remaining. but we aint..
asciilifeform: before this escapes >> read it, and looked useful, until got to the part where python3.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well it suggests we are presently unreachable for reasons of DDoS rather than BGP blackholing as before
BingoBoingo: In the interim, before the sit down... http://archive.is/qoXuE http://archive.is/ekeej The online BGP tools appear to be showing no no blackholes of our space
asciilifeform: a 'civilized solution', to be absolutely pedantic , includes both 1+2. i.e. nomoar blackholing, AND pipe that is reasonably weather-resistant.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: make it clear when you talk to latech, that if we cannot get a civilized solution and a guarantee out of'em, we're through. and will have to start evacuation of boxen. (not that there's anywhere to put'em, or likely to be any time soon.)
asciilifeform: could even be by a current or potential subscriber, to test whether we even have shit together before agreeing to colo a box.
BingoBoingo: As it stands, despite having vacant ips for folks to move to... the refusalt to try a targeted BGPD mitigation appears to have denied us the oppotunity to have any nines of uptime in September.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's being attacked is the very idea of tmsr isp, rather than a particular box.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is why enemy picked piz to start with, rather than e.g. lobbes's heathenisp box ( which cost him 0 aside from monthly cost and can simply move , erry day if he likes ) or mp_en_viaje's (which is 9000x oversupplied with pipe and he can also move at very little loss to whatever new isp)
asciilifeform: ddosism i suspect will follow all attempts to build republican isp. and will appear at the maximally effective time, i.e. when resources have already been sunk into buildout, long-term contracts with pipe seller signed, etc
asciilifeform: for ~4hrs last night, had just the former. but it was enuff to make the pipe ~unusable.
BingoBoingo: And I am stuck between a rock and a hard place, between Gossipd and Latecho's proposed BGP block, this time limited to the target addresses.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 08:10:45 mp_en_viaje: THEN the correct move is towards an ixp. there's thousands of these (eg bcnet-operated VTE).
asciilifeform: he had also this idea but it will have to be done by someone else, asciilifeform already spent most of what he had on the attempt to build piz.
asciilifeform: i dun know of others.
BingoBoingo: the proposed sane solution
asciilifeform: re ddos ( supposing to take latech's word for the assertion that it ~is~ a ddos , rather than pipe provider playing dulap-I-style games ) -- fact of the matter, it dun cost very much to saturate a 200Mb/s pipe.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can you write out, on the blog or somewhere else in one olace,
asciilifeform: it's only a solution to a problem we ought not be having at all, in re the latech retardation.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 04:53:21 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: two emails in the last ~30 minutes http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=fWlq
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dulap has been unreachable 100% of time since exactly then .
asciilifeform: i still dunget why the 4 target addrs and not 5 or 1, each flood seems to take out whole pipe anyway
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 01:53:48 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: two emails in the last ~30 minutes http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=fWlq
BingoBoingo: No new information from them since since http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940740
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 04:53:21 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: two emails in the last ~30 minutes http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=fWlq
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 08:48:11 mp_en_viaje: hm, http://thewhet.net/ loads, http://qntra.net/ loads, http://bingology.net/ doesn't, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log doesn't... are you two being aggravated over there ?
mp_en_viaje: lotta tumblr-minded club owners out there, srsly imagine there's this vast untapped potential of girls like their mother thought girls should be, floating around somewhere in the aethers.
mp_en_viaje: ou just get the niggers out, not tonight, not immediately, but slowly and weÂll worry about the hot white bitches when the time comesÂ. Ok, itÂs your God damn funeral." << pretty lulzy but actually remarkably accurate ; it's a wonder he needed 50 pages to finally say something even remotely in touch with reality.
mp_en_viaje: putation for being a nigger club, thereÂs no fucking way youÂre turnin that shit around, unless you nuke the place with said niggers inside it and once I get the niggers out, which I will, who are you planning to replace them with, because if you think all of a sudden all the hot white girls of the world gonna start showin up in droves, youÂre seriously out of your fucking minds. Their response, and I quote, Ây
mp_en_viaje: cefloor totally surrounded by eye witnesses. Well as a professional DJ for many, many years I have often been hired specifically to drive out the niggers by multitudinous club / bar owners and each and every single time this request was made, I always asked whatever dumbass drug dealer / pimp on the side nightclub / bar owner, are you sure, because their moneyÂs is just as green as everybody elseÂs and once you have a re
mp_en_viaje: "Eventually as with everything else, all good things, come to an end to include one of the best DJ joints IÂve ever had. At first, after a year of totally transforming their clientele as they had requested, they started cutting back my nights. When I started there, the place was overrun by niggers, not black people, niggers. You know the kind of fucking animals that shoot up the place or stab a motherfucker on a packed dan
mp_en_viaje: to be honest, the romanians of the 80s were a sad copy of german imperialism cca 1800s. got even a sorta-colony in congo, recall the paperwork wherein ceausescu whines bogota won't play its age of sail role ?
diana_coman: possibly decay all goes ~same way; for all one knows, romanians of '80s were just a belated copy themselves and so on.
mp_en_viaje: i suppose the manner in which the insanity survives is that it comes with a built-in indirection layer aka "romanul poate face misto de orice".
mp_en_viaje: "And finally choice # 3 fuck her and fuck you, stay put, ship you both back home so I can keep doing my fucking thing and make something, anything other than what IÂve become, an old, angry, broke, business owner, still fucking chasing my dreams of entertaining people by speakin my fuckin mind."
mp_en_viaje: they're building the 1980s socialism for themselves 2020, they're "discovering" successful burgeoning careers in the style of rotards' last decade now... what the fuck already, how, just HOW can the whole fucking euro colony of north america be on par with the eastern outskirts of the habsburg empire, only later ?!
mp_en_viaje: it's like reading the romanian retard club of 2011 exactly, holy shit already. how can the united states survive & exist only as a belated copy of really fucking stupid inconsequential idiotic romanian tards ?!
mp_en_viaje: fucking years had one, wouldnÂt pick up the God damn phone to help me if his life fucking depended on it."
mp_en_viaje: "Choice # fucking 2, shitcan my entertainment journey to get your seriously medically challenged mother back home, 4000 fucking miles away from all my success, close to our useless fucking families to help us raise you, so you manage to make it to your first fucking birthday, in a place where I didnÂt have a single fucking contact and even if my father who acted like he owned that whole fucking town heÂd lived in for 20
diana_coman: he'd probably have got the piles, have to grant him that.
mp_en_viaje: the extremely successful (past tense) burgeoning (future expectation). since he was pretty confident in the future yesterday, it therefore follows that today he's not merely the man of yesterday, but rather, the man of today. with yesterday under his belt, he can safely belch like he's old money, and why the fuck not!
mp_en_viaje: "Choice # 1, I couldÂve been your average selfish prick, divorced your mom, stayed put & rode that motherfucker out till the wheels fell off, that being my insanely successful burgeoning radio / nightclub & mobile DJ careers which wouldÂve immediately brought me mountains of money, piles of pussy and lasting local fame and God only knows what else in the long run. I gotta admit, that was a pretty sweet fuckin option."
mp_en_viaje: the part where his inner thighs are shades of brown giving way to shades of yellow is presumably supposed to pass in silence because look, hairmop ?
mp_en_viaje: but it takes two to make a mittelamerica marriage, and the "look, military uniform and roasted ham" portion's just as much involved.
mp_en_viaje: it's pretty lulzy how the https://gastatic.com/digest/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/fat_hairy_guy_on_bed_with_guns.jpeg portion of the "oh, women only want to become mothers" binome is always very... discreetly passed over in silence in these "awakening" manalone wankterials.
diana_coman: yeah, I don't think it has anything to do with anything ie it's just another sort of spam.
mp_en_viaje: Hi, IÂm John D., your father and in this episode of Rated ARM TV, IÂm gonna tell you the story of how I personally dismantled my own already incredibly awesome life in an attempt to give you, my one and only son a much better one than I had as a child, why it had to be done, and why this type of sacrificial behavior is one of the main ingredients of being A Real Man."
mp_en_viaje: "As a man with a fucked up childhood myself, not wanting to genocide yours, therefore breaking the unbreakable pattern that selfish pricks like my parents never even attempted to break, I decided to jump in on this whole parenting thing head fucking first with both fucking feet. ÂA Real Man always takes his responsibility as a parent seriously, even if it fucking ruins every other aspect of his life.Â
mp_en_viaje: I wouldnÂt have any God damn luck at all, so that was the exact fucking moment in time when your mom, my very fucking soon to be ex-fucking-wife, got fucking pregnant with you and extended my sentence and community service for another twenty God damn years." << o look, military dood too, to no-one's surprise.
mp_en_viaje: e fact that I was going to have to pay for all of it, welcome to ÂMerica, I had to make a couple of hard fucking choices on my own. At the time, I was finished with the military, or better yet, the politics of the assholes I got stuck working with in the service and my marriage and I was ready to get fucking divorced and start my whole fucking life over, again, from fucking scratch, again, but if it werenÂt for bad luck,
mp_en_viaje: you know, i once knew a girl made by one of these. she was... pretty well traumatized.
mp_en_viaje: "Being an asshole and being proud of it, never fucking a girl off video and getting a vasectomy have been the 3 pinnacle factors that have saved me the most amount of trouble and aggravation since my divorce and with any luck, theyÂll do the same for you."
diana_coman: ranting at a hypothetic result of a dreamed encounter and so on.