mircea_popescu: dude theo de radt discussing "Captured"... gimme a fucking break
asciilifeform: the latter
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: synthetic chix
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1766977 << i don't see the problem with using the actual spec. koch "optimizations" not really useful.
asciilifeform: um is this another brendafdez
mircea_popescu: get yer mug in there btcvixen
mircea_popescu: why, you like the mononostril look ?
mircea_popescu: cuz they've no crypto for heroin.
asciilifeform: i dunno anyother kind!11!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: y'mean the scratchings in the sand that pass for script on isle of java ?
ben_vulpes: oooh yeah actually yeah there's this thing called javascript and i can't figure out why it exists, what's up with that
mircea_popescu: either way
ben_vulpes: these are good logs boys
mircea_popescu: yeah asciilifeform you should ask me computing things when you don't know what they are.
mircea_popescu: the logs thank you for this story.
btcvixen: mircea_popescu, i generated 6600 coins cpu back in 2010, unfortuantely i got raped and spent them on heroin and they were gone by march of 2012 when they were worth $2 a pop
shinohai: There was a mention of needing a voiceover for tmsr radio production? I can dig inlogs
ben_vulpes: btcvixen: didja get bored of the #-otc babbling?
shinohai: indiancandy came by as sofiababy last night while I was afk mircea_popescu .... still need a voice for the pr thing ?
hanbot: BingoBoingo totally, camhos and sportsbooks were made for each other, no idea why there's nothing doing atm
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo considering the death of the indiancandy experiment... i expect the pebkac.
BingoBoingo: Honestly incorporating that into the act could motivate the punters to part with the cash faster
hanbot: the former, naturally
btcvixen: really the reason i started camming
hanbot: oh hey, i don't think there's any other jersey talent here atm, i guess you get to be de-facto miss shores. i'm in costa rica, banana area
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/mN2NJ/?raw=true << whole thing in 1 .txt , for convenience. includes author's sci.crypt-style philosophizing, which is the linkworthy lul to begin with
asciilifeform: i threw away mpi after attempting a very similar exercise to what diana_coman is doing now, and realizing that i'ma prolly never find all of the mines.
asciilifeform: though it'd be hilarious if there were a subtle bug in mpi fdiv etc.
asciilifeform: i suspect that koch was blindly following the schoolbook here.
BingoBoingo: In other news, datacenter meeting Wednesday morning. And ended up booking the hostel through the end of February.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> basically, technocucks so fucking petrified of their emotions and the structure of power, they will retreat into bikeshedding as a comfortable substitute for sanity. << Could not be more evident than in Microshit/Ubuntu "User Interface must change every major release"
diana_coman: "where nlen is the appropriate length for the desired security_strength" - where is this wonder in gnupg anyway
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 14:33 diana_coman: in other gnupg-isms: it uses lcm(p-1, q-1) instead of phi itself, supposedly to make decryption faster but essentially through making the decryption exponent smaller; moreover, this is a sort of buildup on the whole pile of stink because it quite relies on p and q NOT being really random (if they really are random, chances are gcd(p-1, q-1) relatively small and therefore phi and lcm not really all that different anyway)
apeloyee: possible reason for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1766967 is NIST FIPS 186-4: " The exponent d shall be a positive integer value such that 2^(nlen/2) d < LCM(p–1, q–1)" (http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/FIPS/NIST.FIPS.186-4.pdf#page=62 )
shinohai: Should be sufficient then
asciilifeform: ok there it is.
asciilifeform: possibly i misread the orig comment, where seemed to be used interchangeably
diana_coman: asciilifeform, where the fuck did I say gcd and lcm same??
asciilifeform: and gotta point out, gcd and lcm not the same, gcd(x,y)*lcm(x,y)=x*y (proof left as exercise)
asciilifeform: ( snippet paste is from the classical 1.4.10 )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: are you speaking of the item http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/aQhMA/?raw=true ?
diana_coman: (obv. no comments in the code to know why it uses lcm there, so the supposition above is entirely mine; if anyone sees a different reason for that, let me know)
diana_coman: in other gnupg-isms: it uses lcm(p-1, q-1) instead of phi itself, supposedly to make decryption faster but essentially through making the decryption exponent smaller; moreover, this is a sort of buildup on the whole pile of stink because it quite relies on p and q NOT being really random (if they really are random, chances are gcd(p-1, q-1) relatively small and therefore phi and lcm not really all that different anyway)
mircea_popescu: hes to THAT third party either, meaning, again...
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 02:02 mircea_popescu: 5. client proceeds to build what it can (if set to, and as per signatures again) and present the pile.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1766927 << needless to say re this that just because you trust someone's signature it doesn't follow that someone's obliged to distribute his patches to you ; this allows him to be paid for his work ; you're also more than welcome to obtain your patches from someone other than their author, provided... you trust their signature ; and obviously the author's STILL not obliged to distribute patc
mircea_popescu: oh, obviously : there's no possiblity of name conflicts, either. the fact that my key defines "usg" as x and trump's key defines "usg" as y allows us both to live our respective delusions happily.
mircea_popescu: in a sense moving the problem away into where it belongs.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-15 19:06 asciilifeform: Framedragger: note that this was the laughable piece, 'majority votes', i had nfi how to cut the knot of sybil etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the major change from http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-15#1567932 is obviously the abandoment of the fixed petri dish. it dun have to have a "final word" solution, overalpping local ones are fine.
mircea_popescu: at least that way i have someone to tell his dentist sucked ; and he might negrate the douche. or vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: item eminently doesn't deal with "programs" or "applications" or anything ; it's a proper url system, it locates resources. can put in the gns that you're a dentist in kennebunkport, maine, and if i need a dentist...
mircea_popescu: no more need to run javascript (ie, unsecured remote code) ; no more need to "ask people to upgrade" ; no more anything of the idiotic sort. if i want a cuntoo/mp-wp/we it is now i have to ask here, and maybne someone produces one. this could just as well be handled by the machines, it's a machine task.
mircea_popescu: so announcement of a new partch would be author changing his gns entry for X from press-to-q to press-to-k ; if user is disinterested he jkust gets dragged along, otherwise if user requires he sign local copy he stays put.
mircea_popescu: and that "bitcoin" can mean whatever the fuick you choose it should mean.
mircea_popescu: but the first time you run into one -- yes, it would.
mircea_popescu: obviously the fact that a bitcoin txn container will come with "this takes bitcoin" will not result in you recompiling bitcoin for each tx -- you already have it ;
mircea_popescu: trinque many as you can be bothered to sign yes.
mircea_popescu: so in the atomic case, practically overengineered but for the sake of understanding each other : each v tree should simply say it wants to be pressed by a v presser, and the client should inquire wtf that is and get one.
mircea_popescu: you can make upon a private lan the agreement that "unicode" is how you call the tga decoder, and lo and behold... you read tga with the unicode displayer now.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but it seems to me neither is involved here ?
trinque: this 1) agreeing ahead of time with pantsuit council on what schemas exist or 2) infinitely nested lookup tables for viewers is exactly what killed the prior idiots
mircea_popescu: there's no requirement that the gns even be properly global ; it's your job to make it global-locally and that's that.
mircea_popescu: i don't have to have the people who want to use unicode to agree to anything in particular ahead of time, and if tomorrow they decide to call it fuck-bush instead, they can and nothing gets broken
mircea_popescu: ie, the whole thing can be built out of parts without getting in anyone's way whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: 5. client proceeds to build what it can (if set to, and as per signatures again) and present the pile.
mircea_popescu: 4. in all cases, a container consists of a tag and binary data ; the tag section of the gns tells it what v trees are acceptable applications upon that data.
mircea_popescu: 3. open link to machine, explain what it is it wants, get an answer in the form of "here's a list of document containers, which do you want". it explains which it wants (such as "all" or w/e) and it gets a container containing them. maybe it's gzipped or whatever.
mircea_popescu: it then proceeds to, for every item on that list,
mircea_popescu: 2. the client queries whichever gns it is configured to, and inquires as to contacting machines which hold data related to this item. it receives a list of them, on the basis of what signatures mircea_popescu told it to trust signed.
mircea_popescu: now let's look at how things work. mircea_popescu decides one day he wants to find out about sgml, and therefore instructs his client.
mircea_popescu: as for the gns above, no obligation.
mircea_popescu: v is basically just a lengthy pile of code trees, made out of patches also signed by keys ; in practice its coinvolved with the v-application, which can press etc, but let's here distinguish.
mircea_popescu: this much can be implemented without bothering anyone. right ?
mircea_popescu: there's no obligation on anyone to maintain any particular portion of it, or to communicate it to anyone -- can be run locally just as well (in practice, equiv rto "only trust my signature").
mircea_popescu: ie, the onme thing everyone wants to defect.
mircea_popescu: the evident macro-solution would be to construct a filling of the petri dish out of non-overlapping parts, but a) this will bother everyone if only a little bit, by cramping their style and b) thje development and maintenance cost for this is the textbook example of http://trilema.com/2016/honor-societies-vs-respect-societies-or-how-the-disaster-of-commons-sunk-the-western-world/
mircea_popescu: let's put this in different terms : the happiest life is, empty planet, where man can go picking berries / quals/womenz as he feels inclined. everything fits well and all is good. the necessary correlate is that the petri dish slowly fills, at which point incompatibles will result in perpetual war and strife. all is not so good.
mircea_popescu: trinque the disaster i perceive is this : that a) the worst world is to have a lot of ad-hoc implementation of sexpr-datastructs but b) the cheapest way is a and c) the complete construction is unachievable.
asciilifeform: the war story
asciilifeform: or they get lost
asciilifeform: really gotta write these things
trinque: dunno it ends up being any more complicated than existing DHTs but for the urge to make a giant, complex, systemdtron with myriad ways of describing the same things.
mircea_popescu: and indeed, management of the implicit semantics in all this will be the end of the world.
asciilifeform: most recently bastardized by the urbit folx
asciilifeform: this is roughly what the xml people tried to do
mircea_popescu: then it could tell you "well, here's that thing you wanted in a browser, because that's where it says it goes, and we couldn't process the song part because nobody you trust signed an implementation of anything on the list of song things, but the text is there as per so-and-so-textizer signed by x y and z"
mircea_popescu: anyway, so : a container could tell you it's a document, and it contains a text, a song and a picture. should that container end up on a list of things you're interested in, your client could then look up what to do with documents, and how to parse texts, songs and images.
mircea_popescu: (original lucid guy, and other things)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu nailed this one in an old article which presently escapes me. a buncha shoemakers are missing apprentices , whole buncha streets are missing their sweepers, while the jwzs birdshit on software
mircea_popescu: it's like watching middle class single parent 12 yos at work, mendacious manipulative little shits that imagine their nonsense is entirely opaque to anyone and everyone.
mircea_popescu: well thank you bitch, you ~could~ have said this a year ago and saved everyone the hassle. o wait, cuz needed to appear all humble and shit for a year to poach users / devs i see i see.
mircea_popescu: I think this is not a good outcome for the Emacs user community, and I hate to have to criticize the implementation of GNU Emacs 19, but at some point clean code and good structure counts more than a false sense of parsimony, and that point has been reached."
mircea_popescu: We believe that the merge in the other direction is the proper way to do things, and this is the course we shall pursue. There are things that you have done to GNU Emacs 19 that are good, and we believe that the best way to proceed is to clean them up and put them in Lucid Emacs 19. Maintainability is important to us because even though GNU Emacs 19 has no warranty, we must support a warranty on our commercial product which i
mircea_popescu: life for the maintainer easy. This is proven by the fact that Arceneaux was unable to add the extensions we needed to an early version of GNU Emacs 19 given somewhat over a year's time to do it and by the fact that it has taken you and Blandy so long to get GNU Emacs 19 out.
mircea_popescu: lmao so after stringing along "oh, we have spent so much, we hope to still work together, tell us how" for a year, gabriel is like "Unfortunately, GNU Emacs 19 is not constructed following modern programming practice - even though there are procedural interfaces to some functionality groups, one could not say that abstraction boundaries are maintained. The mish-mash of data structures is just too clumsy and incoherent to make
mircea_popescu: i'm not asking how it'd be rendered, it god damn ed be rendered the same. im asking...
mircea_popescu: so sgml is a flaming pile of shit, oda is a waste of paper and i even read french, what exactly are these wheels one's supposed to not reinvent ?
asciilifeform: iirc jwz also wrote sumthing or other.
asciilifeform: these people have about as much to do with the actual history of Things People Did Before (tm) as the bird shit on the hood of my car has with the engine.
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp, before you reinvent the wheel you should read the other things other people did before" "motherfucking hell what if I CAN NOT READ THESE PEOPLE!"
mircea_popescu: basically, technocucks so fucking petrified of their emotions and the structure of power, they will retreat into bikeshedding as a comfortable substitute for sanity.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with people.
mircea_popescu: i can;t fucking believe jwz and daveg are seriously discussing doubleclicking wiuth the spacebar
asciilifeform: nuffin to do with borland per se tho, it's the standard vga 80x25 font
mircea_popescu: come to think of it the gold on blue worked well too
asciilifeform: i prefer the classic vga fat chars also.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:06 asciilifeform: of all the plagues discussed in this thread, i'd say fonts are the mildest, it is at this very minute quite trivial to operate a machine with 2-3 fonts installed , with ~0 surgery
asciilifeform: i could prolly spend rest of life fighting with the font config and still not get anything as comfortable as dos font.
mircea_popescu: there's a screencap of my yahoo messenger config in this vein floating about somewhere even
mircea_popescu: in fact, i'm generally unhappy with the thin fonts everywhere. terms and borland back in the day had touched greatness wrt glyph thickness
asciilifeform: mine too, given that it lived in 80x25 and used the spiffy nonscalable vga font
asciilifeform: i asked 'what is this, why there are 2 emacses on this box'
asciilifeform: xemacs was actually the first systemdism i ever ran into head on
asciilifeform: the trad emacs worxfine under x11 , since asciilifeform was a student, and prolly before
asciilifeform: buncha derps in 1990s ran off to mikehearn emacs, back in the day.
mircea_popescu: the original discussion cca 1993 was centered around this\
asciilifeform: i thought there was a thread re subj.
asciilifeform: xemacs has 0 to do with the emacs e.g. asciilifeform today runs under x11.
mircea_popescu: basically, a principled "emacs does not want or need window-decorations gtfo" out of rms would have been a lot better than his inept dithering
asciilifeform: i think i have the book still, propping up some piece of furniture
mircea_popescu: this "emacs / xemacs reconciliation" is a tiresome painful fucking read. why the fuck would anyone consider merging xt in emacs ?! what is wrong with these people.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: do you remember the article where you said something like "or the entrepreneurs will win and then there will be a decade of hedge funds making a killing on the opaque altcorn market before we kill them all slowly"?
ben_vulpes: it's what, 2018, and the people pushing altcoins are still struggling with arithmetic.
ben_vulpes: shoulda been the simplest possible transaction in the world, one output summing to the value of all wallet inputs less explicityly set miner fee.
ben_vulpes: unrelated to anything, i recently had the most amusing experience with a "bitcoin cash" wallet where it *insisted* on creating a zero-satoshi output.
asciilifeform: right after we find out how many, after all, angels fit on the pin.
mircea_popescu: distinction without a difference ; do children believe in nightmares or merely pretend to, or merely the misfunctioning of their undeveloped brain conflates two things ?
asciilifeform still not certain that anybody actually believes in 'thepeople' , rather than pretending to
mircea_popescu: anyway, more generally, the idea that "the people" are some sort of thing, and to be catered to, IS the fungus.
shinohai: Most of the dumb Indian hispanics from Central America around here go to evangelical churches, Mexis the majority Catholic here.
mircea_popescu: sometime between the two
asciilifeform: asciilifeform lives in a 'spanish' part of town , and was quite surprised to learn that most of the folx on his street go yes to church but no not to catholic church
asciilifeform: sooo it's true, the fungus is eating ye olde catholistans ?
mircea_popescu: aaanyways, in other lulz, poor shop here in poor quarter, "se reparan zapatos ; clinica de ropa ; jesu christo vive."
mircea_popescu: i dunno. maybe. they do host "revivals" as a rthing
trinque: that's what the nightly sorries are about
asciilifeform: but do they ?
mircea_popescu: nah, can do it every other weekend
mircea_popescu: hence all the "revolution" bs. o really, revolution in programming ?
trinque: the "born again in cheesus christ" thing points right to it
asciilifeform: the new beer has to be substantially old.
mircea_popescu: indeed the zek paradise is very much that "loose shoes and warm place to shit in" historical african's paradise : if they could pick up a new woman every night and she'd be gone after cooking lunch every day ; if they had to drive to a new place to start work every monday ; if there was always a new beer in the cafeteria and a new show on tv with a new identical blondy lead... scl
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 19:59 mircea_popescu: but it's certainly quite deep. the vermin doesn't merely aim to a comfortable existence, but more importantly to a memory-less situation.
asciilifeform: they sure do.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fundamental problem is that only the elite have any use for history ; the plebs generally want a "start over tomorrow" world.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the principal problem is that he's not very good at arguing ; neither from a helping the preopinent nor from a produce useful record perspective. these are the two principal goals of conversation, i can scarcely imagine a third.
asciilifeform: and yes naggum is buried in cement partly on account of the shattering of bridge that he himself had a hand in building
mircea_popescu: minor lulz at the perishable nature of the hyper-tard-transfer-protocol ended up a major topic. i just snickered en passant!
asciilifeform: ( oddly enuff some of the dead people, have working www, and the live people -- not , go figure )
mircea_popescu: note that it's not me saying that ; for that matter i dun much link the vandalized mircea_popescu wikipedia page or any other such nonsense.
asciilifeform looks at the corpse of bitbet, with some suprise finds that it does not ~yet~ contain one of these
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 22:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole lulz here is that the link the man himself indicates fails to deliver./
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766691 << it's not wholly unlike the old mpex.xyz dnsolade that today points to 'buy cardanocoin NAO!' etc
a111: Logged on 2017-12-15 16:55 mircea_popescu: alright. that concludes this first phase, which you've survived. im guessing a decision will fall in about two weeks, i'll notify you by name here in either case. you can see it by looking for http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+%22robbinhood%22
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1751998 << to followup on this, the decision is to negrate RagnarDanneskjol for utterly wasting my time with his nonsense.
mircea_popescu: worse implemented than SGML itself" << man spends six years trying to do useful work in non-#trilema world, discovers at the end of it all that no, his toaster can not be used to toast his own breakfast, thanks for playing, do come again.
mircea_popescu: "What can I say? I wasted 6 years of my life on SGML and related technologies only to find that when I wanted to translate my experience and knowledge and significant grasp of this technology into a book that would teach what I had found to others, I had to look real hard at all the braindamaged things that I had been willing to sweep under the carpet and found, to my horror, that SGML, once understood, could not possibly be
mircea_popescu: and holy shit the broken, innumerable ways to protect character from parsing...
mircea_popescu: i know why this is, obviously, but the important point is that this is a miserable, second hand knowledge, of ENTIRELY the same substrance as shilbert's.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole lulz here is that the link the man himself indicates fails to deliver./
asciilifeform: these will have to suffice for nao, i'ma bbl
asciilifeform: i suspect that the search at one time worked.
asciilifeform: written by either shilbert or similar ( i fughet who ) , so lotta 'we pushed the sun uphill' 'history' mostly
mircea_popescu: but note that i don't give anyone the address to said bookshop if they seem confused as to who they're talking to.
asciilifeform: y'know , it so happens that asciilifeform was bored the other night, and ended up walking into the #1 pantsuit-themed b00kshop in the city , and saw a , whaddayaknow, a 'history of bitcoin' , and guess who mentioned in it 0 times...
mircea_popescu: (this, for the record, was a 60yo at the time stanford guy. "You clearly are clueless and are not at all ashamed to demonstrate it." wrong putdown, seriously now.)
mircea_popescu: from naggum's own self-characterization, he was a not-particularily-wanted epicycle in the whole sgml thing. am i missing something ?
mircea_popescu: ahaha this is epic. josling : " Searching the sgml bib for your name produces 0 hits..." ; naggum : "Why make such a fool of yourself annoying people on purpose? What is /wrong/ with you? http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/biblio.html" ; we dutifully go check and indeed, grep of that page returns 0 naggums.
mircea_popescu: anyway, but as to the matter at hand, they had a falling out over holocaust social game proper rules!!1
mircea_popescu: as if there's a set of recipes to choose from or what ?
asciilifeform: ( there's ~1 recipe )
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, there comes a time when the poor will be rendered for fat. it's what it is.
mircea_popescu: the british don't really want to talk about the great potato famine ; and the usg likes to pretend the irish that ran off to new york didn't go through the exact same wringer.
mircea_popescu: rather.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 18:15 mircea_popescu: there is nothing necessary about this cycle of wasteful idiocy. beat your swedish civilised wife whenever she deos the dumb.
asciilifeform: ( famine really goes with agrarianism , iron law , on account of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766429 . it's what their 'boom/bust cycle' loox like. )
mircea_popescu: 1940, kids were malnourished all over the world, the pretense that germany somehow stood out at any point is ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: and don't tell me "hey, it's only british empire when we want to pretend like largest in history, it's really its own thing at all other points", ima barf.
mircea_popescu: moreover this whole "oh germany was starving"... dude, it's the 40s. new york was fucking starving, gimme a break. who wasn't starving ?
mircea_popescu: "oh if some fucktard who thinks he's a jew because his mother's an idiot says he is holocaustoffended ima say i studied goebbels!!1". wtf already.
mircea_popescu: in any case, the history of interwar germany is interesting as a topic of study, rather than a topic of conversational macguffins.
asciilifeform: and all sudden reichs get built, in lenin's words , 'not from new brick but from the smashed planks of the old shithouse' or how did it go.
asciilifeform: ( tho in modern parlance tends to be applied to paint, and other items that get literally sprayed using air )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is entirely no difference between usg pantsuit cca 2015 and germany nazi cca 1933.
mircea_popescu: (no good equiv to ro "spulbera", it's built out of powder with the italian s' device (svenuto, sfortunato etc) to denote that which wind does to dust and power to incosequentialness)
asciilifeform: eh this is rather like 'at all points aids patient could grow white cells again and then fungus will die '
mircea_popescu: bluster and pretense aside, the original socialists were never all that secure in their "reich". at all points coulda ran into some republic and be spulberati off the flow of history exactly like the pantsuit in 2016.
mircea_popescu: hitler blabbering about how the army betrayed him and shoulda killed them all like stalin (really, it was earlier than stalin time, but you can't say "like trotsky" can you now) is exactly a fruit off of this.
mircea_popescu: usual anachronism, "this toe sock works great as a soup starter so that's what it was". not THEN it wasn't lel. then it was a complicated thing. such as for isntance, a desire of the new socialist strep to make "culture just as good" as the guys they were trying to replace, landeschnekt and ritters dominating the army.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i think proposing goebbels is a sort of ziggler-skinner is dismissive to the man.
asciilifeform: from beneath a tall pile of chomsky & other modernolade.
asciilifeform: i'd be surprised if 'no original' , given the comment re 'I found was that (1) a whole bunch of nutcases thought that only neo-Nazis could be interested in Joseph Goebbels' works and movies...'
mircea_popescu: you want to "study goebbels", you're going to review a lot of old celluloid reel, read journals, stuff like that. there's no substitute, wut.
mircea_popescu: and i find it superlatively dubious that "i have made a study" relies on having reviewed no original materials but read chomsky's as cliffnotes. this is no way to get anywhere, and i suspect a large portion of chomsky detractors are actually almost-intelligent folk who tried to use him in this manner, got hurt in the process, and decided to assign blame, if possible to the tool they misused. chomsky is fine, but not if you're
mircea_popescu: no, newton did not sit down to hate the jews.
mircea_popescu: suss was exactly 1940. and the hell goebbels had to go through to get the cast (they were famous actors, and more interested in hollywood bux than anything) is a very fine entry point for one to understand just how weak and circumstantial the reich was, and just how much accident and fortune played into the good doctor's work
asciilifeform: or hm, nm, the 'last movie' is not 'suss' ( which is circa '40)
asciilifeform: i was waiting for mircea_popescu to notice the bigger oddity
mircea_popescu: it's true that hitler was a bit of a literalist, and kept liking these barely-cinematic mechanicist pieces of nonsense ; but that doesn't make the opposition stand like he tries to make it stand.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the remarkable poverty of reference, i'd like at least for the few popitems he uses to be at the fucking least correct!
mircea_popescu: with similar "historical fact". it's in no sense factual, goebbels' jewel, and the item for which he worked his ass off, has jew right in the fucking title.
mircea_popescu: that aside, there's a different serious problem : "Joseph Goebbels were _not_ concerned with propaganda towards the Jews. this is an historical fact." is what he says, but he says this in the exact manner of the man he otherplaces despises, "who forms a knowledge without having had the curiosity to study". the reason i even wrote http://trilema.com/2017/jud-suss/ is ~specifically because~ there's a lot of similar ignoramuses
mircea_popescu: a) germany won ww2, which is why us is trying to be alt-germany not alt-britain ; and why hitlers' goals (anihilation of british empire) were delivered upon ; b) the war was by very far the best thing that couldf ever have happened to russians, as individual people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently there was also some private acrymony. anyway, the piece reads like the flailing of pantsuit flavours.
mircea_popescu: same reason, gat smiles. "it's because the alternative is..."
mircea_popescu: the reason smart people condescend to use bad tools is because they have no others. why do we use gnat or gcc ?
mircea_popescu: so i think the correct working of the system is well understood. similarily, that this system is not implemented correctly is also obvious. in this context, gat's one liner is perfectly sensible, what's the problem with it ?
asciilifeform: oddly enuff it is cop who 'explains', 'от имени Союза Советских Социалистических Республик , i now get in your way , for your having exceeded 10 times the speed of an unladen snail on this tuesday...'
mircea_popescu: let the ~actual~ 15yos be in the position where they have to explain themselves, and receive in exchange clarifications of the rules and punishments as appropriate.
mircea_popescu: you drive, "cop" gets in the way. does cop explain to you why he got in the way or does cop expect you to explain what it was you were doing to him ?
asciilifeform: i dun have nearly enuff contact with the tv insanity
asciilifeform: sometimes i wonder if it's actually mircea_popescu working without gloves on the hot smoking factory floor of the insane asylum, and asciilifeform somehow is the one looking down from dirigible
mircea_popescu: who explains events to whom is the entire construct here. let the dumb explain their dumbness to me.
mircea_popescu: quite the fucking point.
mircea_popescu: can you picture the hordes of tv watchers gathering me up and setting up a spectacle (like those inane 1980s lassie-in-court tv productions) whereby some pompous douche ("a judge!!11") asks me to... explain... what happened ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the following situation : something happens.
mircea_popescu: let the monkeys negotiate from this position where they have to explain themselves to my standard.
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking idea of republic is to meaningfully unite the smart and destroy the fakeout "unity" of the monkeys.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact that's exactly how it works : if you convince the smart folk to be separate and you unite the monkeys into one "state", then yes you get the size disparity problem.
mircea_popescu: well, then it's his job to invite himself.
asciilifeform: the sad thing is that he doesn't seem to have any obvious means of contact
mircea_popescu: (amusingly, if you ask the last years' crop of retards, "things were always that way". perhaps because their inumerate mothers went to yoga classes in the same 1974s and drank smothies)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 16:41 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other oddities, http://www.xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/pd.html