BingoBoingo: Carrying shit over there in the morning tomorrow. Last visit it was looking good. Awaiting the necessary information to get the routing configured as best as I can before plugin time.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja meet the rack yet ?
BingoBoingo: In other WTFs, the bank Account one is setting me up with... is finally taking an interest in processing my application only six or seven weeks later.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: We will see how it looks once I manage to get back to the hostel and shower off the loose hairs, but I had to do something while I awaited compiling.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
phf: the content of these articles is as much of a mystery to me as they are to the log reader. maybe it's zavalishin writing obituary for bardin, but i doubt it.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
phf: "Reading in the Dark: Does fiction matter in a post-fact age? harpers.org"
mod6: Or just gotta wait and see if i drop behind. Then may just compile it in. Will report back once I have something on this.
mod6: Maybe gotta get another dedicated env. :D
mod6: Tuning the best interval between when we would query a connected host seems like it might take some doing. Right now, looks like 20 minutes (in ben's vpatch).
asciilifeform: but trb nodes really oughta all be within a few blox of one another at all times.
asciilifeform: mod6: let's restate the general principle. if you have two or moar trb nodes, and they are 'in communion' with one another regularly, and yet one is several 100 blox behind the other(s) -- THIS IS A BUG
asciilifeform: considering that a connection can last for theoretically unlimited time.
asciilifeform: i suspect that his approach is in fat The Right Thing. making connect-time 'special' is every bit as dumb as making boot time special.
asciilifeform: the one that actively milks every peer regularly, and not simply on-connect
BingoBoingo: I have to say the silence this morning is a bit extraño
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/30/the-initial-cash-trade/ << Bingo Blog - The Initial Cash Trade
BingoBoingo: trinque: Ty for the film. Hopefully I can see it sometime before March.
asciilifeform: ( some of these will make sense only to orcs, e.g. https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/233577/31478297.35a/0_dece9_75feb48a_X5L.jpg << 'do not dry by the fire clothes you have washed in petrol' )
trinque: this some kind of "without the workers we wouldn't have all this glorious fy00t0r" ?
asciilifeform: some of these have pretty great possibilities for double-meaning, e.g. https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9254/31478297.2d7/0_aca84_b516d1dd_XL.jpg >> 'mmm, hi-fi!11'
mod6: "If you try to throw yourself upon the wheels of the great machine, you're gonna have a bad time, Komrade"
mod6: Thanks for reading and trying to pick out if it said the wrong thing though. I appreciate that.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-January/000285.html << i noticed, somehow only nao, that it has text 'This experimental vpatch requests blocks from all nodes that send a version message.' >> which has 0 relation to the patch...
asciilifeform: laplinker: keep in mind also that there can be no question of e.g. selling probes, to somebody not in wot.
laplinker: Thanks, and thanks for all the help :)
asciilifeform: as it is, if you come back, no one knows who is speaking, 'shakespeare -- or another man by the same name', for instance.
asciilifeform: laplinker: register with deedbot; then you will be able to get ratings; and self-voice.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 16:50 asciilifeform: to round off the crackpottery, 'superlinear' is when the chumps deposit their dough, but afterwards ~go home to get more~, to bring friends, etc.
asciilifeform: and the folx who know, and do not care, are http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768490 , they are as culpable as the orig author.
asciilifeform: neither i nor anybody else with half a brain need these charts, or 'We are going to use the Kolmogorov-Smirnov test here...', or any of it, to know that 'tether' is a gox-style scam
asciilifeform: 'The author is concerned about backlash and has asked to remain pseudonymous by signing this report with a public hash of their name' << lol wai am i reading this
asciilifeform: won't buy post-2011 amd either.
asciilifeform: given that the 'security pros' and academia circuses were permitted to make ME core a centerpiece of their self-aggrandizing idiocy, you can be quite certain that there is a fallback. multiple fallbacks.
asciilifeform: laplinker: not especially interesting, no. i'm more interested in whatever fallbacks are in there ~separately~ from ME core. nsa fritzchip never come in singles.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set.
asciilifeform: so i have 0 interest in xhci or any other inband debugging.
asciilifeform: but it so happens that these are the ONLY items i find interesting from hardware debug pov.
asciilifeform: winintel doesn't want people debugging the drm spyshitware in the bios; or the winblowz kernel. ergo xhci.
laplinker: hmm... i might actually do that, for the xdp3, they should be popping up more and more the more time passes and most folks use xhci, but thats just a guess
asciilifeform: sage probe is quite easy to find. 1) get in wot -- register with deedbot 2) make a bid in btc 3) one of the folx here will sell you a sageprobe.
laplinker: xdp3 is hard to find, same i guess as the sage probve
laplinker: the sw i mean
asciilifeform: right, but where the fuck to get a xdp3.
asciilifeform: laplinker: iirc i tried the 'free' ver, it wanted a xdp3.
laplinker: asciilifeform: shitware is available for free, part of intel debugger studio (which is shitware) but the "intel DAL" is free
laplinker: oh, no, i would go that far... maybe win 10 IOT, there is also this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-CONFIDENTIAL-HASWELL-PROCESSOR-Reference-Validation-Board-w-i5-4570R-ES/273038318551?hash=item3f925a1bd7:g:vaQAAOSwU91aWc7R
asciilifeform: considering that half the point of hardware debugger is to debug heavily-antidebuggistic shitware...
asciilifeform: for another thing, stock bios on intel boxes disables xdp jack
asciilifeform: it ain't gdb-compatible, for one thing. requires windows shitware which they sold for $10k's and never afaik leaked
asciilifeform: laplinker: funnily enough, i have an intel xdp, and several boxes with the jack, but never was able to get it running
asciilifeform: 'We are sorry, but the item you are looking for is no longer available on our website.'
laplinker: well that was unexpected , i assumed it would be expensive ,i mean look at the intel xdp
asciilifeform: laplinker: last i saw they were still available with 'gizmo1'
asciilifeform: considering the 'escape from dnsism' thing we have going, this actually matters
BingoBoingo: getting some from them and then resubmitting my application to LACNIC. Gotta utilize 64 ip addresses before LACNIC will allocate a /24
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Contract start date is Feb 1st, but I am about to poke them to check the wire and see if the racking can start.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
trinque: ah, I could set that up later in the week. going to be traveling starting tomorrow.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-29 01:14 asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque do you have a working gnat on ppc (g5 or any other) ?
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1777911 << not at the moment. when my stack's popped to ffa will try to do my homework on one of the g5s
asciilifeform: e.g. the torture palace in bucharest
asciilifeform: iirc there's a few in e.g. africa disguised as 'uh, nuffin at all here, move along'
trinque: kinda laughable notion that the location of .mil bases was secret
asciilifeform: ty ave1 , i'd definitely like to read the answer
ave1: Hmm, I'm using mp-wp and I cannot find a setting that is supposed to scrub links or allow them. I am looking into it...
asciilifeform: ave1: please see the paste ?
asciilifeform: WHERE THE FUCK DID MY LINK GO
asciilifeform: fix the commentbox.
asciilifeform: pleez test it yourself ave1 ? then say 'fixed'
asciilifeform: ave1: the comment itself : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3z67x/?raw=true
ave1: I see change did happen, but still failed the test, one sec...
asciilifeform: I FILLED IN THE FIELDS
ave1: I'll remove the website check, probable does not do much anyway
asciilifeform: ave1: 'are we lucky this is correct' implies that item was written through the arse, and only 'works by accident', this is not so.
ave1: I did! it is more a question for other readers
asciilifeform: 'Look at the summation, the sum is (A+B) + Carry, but the next carry is determined by just A, B and the Sum. Are we lucky this is correct?' << work it out on paper.
asciilifeform: 'why not use the pragma Provide_Shift_Operators?' << it doesn't work on gnat2016, try it
asciilifeform: ( not to mention WBool, present in ch1, is constrained to arithmetize on 1bit. but indeed Word is smallest physical unit used, there is no byte-addressing in ffa )
asciilifeform: ave1: 'Word is the smallest unit used for the arithmetic in FFA' is not strictly true, there is a HalfWord ( see ch9 )
asciilifeform: for other readers.
ave1: Which makes the process a stupid trying / building / running / failing exercise.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 01:38 asciilifeform yet again, for 3rd time in 2 yrs, attempted and failed to build a 'zero foot print runtime' for gnat -- to abolish the 3MB of liquishit it shits into every executable.
ave1: Ofcourse, I did not want to dive deep into the code of gcc and gnat
ave1: I'm enjoying the series a lot! (I've now just read ch2 and starting to ingest it...)
asciilifeform: thinking of switching to a 2week interval; these are not coming out quite the way i want'em
spyked: hm. it seems that the browser (firefox on my side) sets default encoding to "western" for plain txt files; setting it to unicode makes it look normal
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
xenmen_: (The catch-up, that is; rereading older material I spread over a few weeks to a month)
lobbes: Note that this refers to the sha1sum of the -.zip- only and not to the -contents- (i.e. should only be used to verify integrity of .zips recieved via the eventual .zip delivery process)
lobbes: Added sha1 checksum values for the .zips to show in archive search results >> http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=example&sortby=
mircea_popescu: what'd even be called, mothercurd ?
asciilifeform: for some reason all that comes to mind tho is that 1 fish where the ~male~ attaches, parasitizes, and jettisons the now-useless fins, mouth, arse, digestive tract, etc
mircea_popescu: imagine the cloud of parasites, you know ?
asciilifeform: pretty sure there is >1 species of fish where -- this
mircea_popescu: sorta grow from one spot and fall out overripe from another.
mircea_popescu: aaand in other "guess what sf ideas i got", what if females had no tits, but instead they grew these almond-sized blobs of semi-hard fat on their neck, sorta like corn nibblets on the cobb, and kids just you know, nibbled their neck.
asciilifeform: the item mircea_popescu gave, 'dex', is also on the conveyor, but will prolly have to wait for peacetime
asciilifeform noticed that the ro_eng_ascii.txt w4r3z was a mega-popular item in the machine log , for quite some time, and so went to put this flag on it.
asciilifeform: i gotta admit, i picture them as units, like e.g. rems
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque do you have a working gnat on ppc (g5 or any other) ?
mircea_popescu: behold, that there was an empty lot with a lot of hungry people in it that then later became a restaurant.
asciilifeform: there you go.
asciilifeform: and that the python example uses both of'em, to test the entire width of the multiplier. and works.
asciilifeform: observe that * produces ~two~ FZ onto the stack, not one.
asciilifeform: phf: why didja truncate to the ffa bitness ?
phf: asciilifeform: so i spent a long time on your homework since it's a kind of trick question, but the naive solution that you've provided will not always produce True for obvious reasons.
mod6: i like the perf charts too. always helps to have numbers & charts.
asciilifeform: ( it gives answer to the 'make auto tests' homework from ch8 )
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: phf was going to, maybe when more sluts arrive. I thought emmylark was under the auspices of mircea_popescu
Techman: Are you sure you meant to direct that @ me? I'm talking about the housecleaning that shinohai is doing
phf: Techman: well, i did say sluts, not "peanut gallery". most of freenode channels seem to consist of 2-3 useful folk and the 20-30 backsit yes men.
Techman: rip some of the idle folks from lrh
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> phf: in my experience the magic word is 'commercial sample for demo'. but only worx with suitcases. << Personal effects
asciilifeform: phf: in my experience the magic word is 'commercial sample for demo'. but only worx with suitcases.
mircea_popescu: he has i guess the honest man's face.
asciilifeform: mod6: at the risk of repeating myself : don't babysit nodes. if it genuinely 'gets stuck', and not merely on account of poor block propagation at the particular time you are watching -- it is potentially serious problem, and you want debug info . if on other hand it is a chronic situation, you want to instrument the thing with timers, find out where it spends time.
ben_vulpes: how the fuck are uruguayan bordermeat going to price an xserve anyways
BingoBoingo: A common recurring answer is they don't know because everyone they know goes to Miama with one bag and returns home with 5-10
mod6: but *shrug* maybe it just needed longer to talk to others. it had only been up for a little while at that point.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: is the 22% actually "we have declared the value of this thing to be $maxint, and now pay $maxint * .22 or never see your gear again"?
asciilifeform: rather than constantly
mod6: <+asciilifeform> e.g. sitting and processing tx, and simply nobody gave it any new blocks ? << yes, looks this way. was heavily loading the mempool with shit
mod6: in other news, got within 2 blocks of HEAD lastnight... never quite did make it... then for some reason fell like 80 blocks behind while stuck on a block.
asciilifeform: what would the contrary even mean ? that the low bit is on left side of the chip , vs right ? what if it turn my comp around on the table , lol
mircea_popescu: are you actually saying "well mp, ~maybe~ bits exist outside of anyone looking at them, but sure as fuck they do not exist outside of bytes, as currently the situation stands" ?
phf: well, then you can't arbitrarily say that big endian system is illogical because it has little endian bit order but big endian byte order.
mircea_popescu: i can discuss bit order irrespective of the fact that systems implement byte addressing. i must.
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't think it makes sense to talk about bit order on any of the architectures that we're discussing, since you can only address by bytes. big endian systems could have little endian bytes and you would never know, likewise little endian systems could have big endian bytes and you would never know. logically though there's no reason you can't view big endian to be a bit reverse of little endian
mircea_popescu: i can't conceive who the fuck else was ever equipped to touch this shit.
mircea_popescu: the sorts of problems we end up having...
asciilifeform: well yes. but you gotta use the подвиг радиста UI to get'em..
asciilifeform: unless you are that d00d in the painting
asciilifeform: there does not exist this separation, in reality, between display and ontology.
mircea_popescu: the fact that you choose to have your ide replace all ifs with :-) is your fucking problem.
asciilifeform: sad phakt : this is also true on little-endian box -- at least if you watch the bits go over e.g. serial port.
mircea_popescu: in bigendian notation, ~SOME~ subsets of bits will be found before an equally sized subset of higher order bits and after an equally sized subset of lower order bits ; and ~SOME~ the other way ; and what the magic size cutoff is VARIES.
mircea_popescu: in smallendian notation, for every subset of bits however selected, they will be found before an equally sized subset of higher order bits and after an equally sized subset of lower order bits.
mircea_popescu: but don't you find that one's logically consistent whereas the other's logically inconsistent ?
phf: right, i'm more saying that neither have merit, and the only reason there's a narrative is because you have to have one or the other, and by nature of having both in theory you have both in practice
mircea_popescu: phf so you are actually saying that there's some kind of way to look at the situation that has both endian notations stand on equality footing ?
phf: i find all arguments pro or cons unconvincing, as encoded by elders i nthe very name, which is a reference to gulliver's travels
asciilifeform finds that he agrees with phf : like it or not, a good % of the cheap and effective older iron that is and will remain in use in tmsr , specifically in opposition to x86ism, is big-endian.
mircea_popescu: the interesting point here is the mandate, ie, do you actually object to our saying "bignum is evil and get rid of it"
mircea_popescu: obviously one could patch the eucrypt to work on his box if for some reason he wants to (though i can't imagine who'd be running eulora client of ppc machine, but anyways).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do a "cosmetics" at the end of the story, by then oyu'll have a proper vdiff
phf: he's saying he can't fix it with any of the published vdiff's since i haven't published anything yet
asciilifeform: not with any of the currently published vdiffs
mircea_popescu: well, the new vdiff
trinque: hasn't much to do with the endian, more to do with "amount of shit bolted to side" and "recent enough to do actual work upon"
asciilifeform: and oh forfuckssake, apparently asciilifeform cannot change any of the '2017' to '2018' in ffa , because :
asciilifeform: though to be fair i have not tested sparc , so possibly there is a third...
asciilifeform: phf: phunphakt : ppc is one of the two currently-produced archs ( the other being arm ) that doesn't have constant-time MUL .
a111: Logged on 2018-01-28 15:24 mircea_popescu: in other news, to share with the group for comment : the idea is that even if we do mandate smallendian, it would still be proper to have a bitwise implementation, even were it slow, as a proper model of sorts. so it'd be both of these.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-28#1777688 << there's a handful of lords that are running ppc hardware, which is big endian. there's also sparc, that like ppc, is a somewhat saner cpu than x86, and that can be had for cheap for server etc. purposes
mircea_popescu: yeah i found that too, but yes, this is a reference not the thing
a111: Logged on 2014-10-14 15:14 mircea_popescu: the entire "monsanto increases yields" fallacy is based on the fraudulent proposition that shit-tomatoes are = tomatoes.
a111: Logged on 2014-10-15 19:56 asciilifeform: another observation re: qntra. recall mircea_popescu's point about synthetic tomatoes?
mircea_popescu: me too, buyt apparently neither apples nor tomatoes not dioxin were mentioned, though i vaguely recall all three
asciilifeform: was this the 'what if nothing could decay' thing ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you happen to have a link to the original "how much would a crate of tomatoes cost" thread ?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/hey-women-did-you-know-that-before-the-pantsuited-hilarity-gave-you-your-civil-rights-you-were-living-in-slavery/ << Trilema - Hey, women! Did you know that before the Pantsuited Hilarity gave you your civil rights, you were living in slavery ?
asciilifeform: ( i dislike, on aesthetic grounds, but that's possibly just me )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu dislikes the 'we know the constants' endianism, flip if machine's is opposite' traditional pill ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, to share with the group for comment : the idea is that even if we do mandate smallendian, it would still be proper to have a bitwise implementation, even were it slow, as a proper model of sorts. so it'd be both of these.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, will schedule dreaming eulora spec machine then
mircea_popescu: i pay teh airfare you pay the steaks&tampons, you got yourself a[nother] vacation eh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so 3 of yours |AND FIVE OF MINE, this should justify the trip
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform would be an one-time thing. but hey, you get to see uruguay. it's jenuinely not bad, can go for a week, take pet on trip to bsas for a few days... the city is lovely if one doesn't mean to stay << Rocha, Cabo Polonia, and Colonia are all highly recommended by the vacationers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform would be an one-time thing. but hey, you get to see uruguay. it's jenuinely not bad, can go for a week, take pet on trip to bsas for a few days... the city is lovely if one doesn't mean to stay
BingoBoingo: Everyone I have talked to here is a fan of the suitcase method. "when we fly to Miami everyone comes out of the woodwork with a shopping list"
asciilifeform: and even then has nonzero chance of 'hey this is the 3rd time this evil-looking gaijin is bringing 3 'personal' boxen'
asciilifeform: i suspect that the suitcase method only beats the 22% vig if 2-3 machines at a time are moved
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what's wrong with fedexing it! << Box that enters the country via FEDEX is going to certainly get hit with customs and the 22% IVA. Box that comes in suitcase is almost certainly going to get waved through as a personal effect. It's a math problem of whether to pay an import duty or plane ticket.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: this is going to be a standard retort now, "shut up so-and-so, i bet you don't even understand hair theory!"
mircea_popescu: HAIR THEORY!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other chicks can code moments, "I earned my degree and license in cosmetology and had a horrible career as a hair dresser that I ended in 2015 due to social anxiety. I still love hair theory, and I even really enjoy working on people with whom I share a close relationship, but now I'm in pursuit of a new path."
mircea_popescu: in other news, i'm doing spencer and it's coming along beautifully!
mod6: almost there!
mircea_popescu: !!rate mp_en_viaje 1 will be travelling for the next week ; feel free to use this temporary item in the interval.
mircea_popescu: !!rate mp_en_viaje 1 will be travelling for the next week ; feel free to use this temporary item in the interval.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-28 01:01 mircea_popescu: trinque the fundamental point is that if they shit in it, it'll be ~their~ shitting in it. obviously orcs will be orcs, anyone recall say http://trilema.com/2015/internoc24-llc-aka-internoc24com-is-a-scam-or-how-milan-dragan-slatjovic-stole-700-euro-from-me/ or w/e
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-28#1777618 << the wisdom of this sinks in. can't fish for humans with shit for bait.
trinque: at question wasn't the amount of money, but that two different answers came out of a vendor. I have dealt with many, many a credit card processor.
mircea_popescu: trinque the fundamental point is that if they shit in it, it'll be ~their~ shitting in it. obviously orcs will be orcs, anyone recall say http://trilema.com/2015/internoc24-llc-aka-internoc24com-is-a-scam-or-how-milan-dragan-slatjovic-stole-700-euro-from-me/ or w/e
mircea_popescu: (for noobs : most fiatola businesses keep an excel spreadshit detailing the per account roi.)
mircea_popescu: trinque i expect you know exactly how it goes, a couple hundy extra puts you way at the top of ~the excel spreadsheet~. which is worth it from a service pov. i think you follow the strategix involved.
mircea_popescu: oh and btw -- if your expensive imported german car isn't rolling on tubed tyres, do try them on. it... it makes a fucking difference.
mircea_popescu: i think with some minimal tweaks that shop could go on the f1 trackside.
mircea_popescu: was regaled with the most incredible display of local competency ; indeed global competency ever encountered. three kids switched out and back in five tyres in like 12 minutes.
mircea_popescu bought tyres + inner tubes at place which had shorter "guarantia" and charged slightly more than place which did not offer the inner tubes. "why not just buy tubes and take them to other place ? they said they'd do it" "stfu"
asciilifeform: where mircea_popescu gave a picture, 'i'ma buy a 6th item in the place that has the correct 1-5 already, and even for moar dough'
mircea_popescu: what i don't want is to leak 10x the sum to unrelated third party scammer-whores, ie whores that don't even strip.
mircea_popescu: i don't because i want them to have a vested interest in sucking my cock.
mircea_popescu: trinque i deliberately didn't want to hussle on the price ; i don't want THOSE $200. but it was understood.
asciilifeform: and why not go. i'd actually much like to bring the three s.nsa boxen over with own hands
trinque: well for starters, when I get a quote out of folks for something that's 200 cheaper than another quote, oughta be understood that I'm helping the damned negotiation. that was annoying.
asciilifeform: supposing that it is actually necessary, and those heathen outfits would not ship straight to bb
mircea_popescu: also go over there if fedex turns to shit ?
asciilifeform: ( they are readily inserted in most rackable boxen that have internal usb port , but if it's a 1u then you need a 90degree adapter for the plug )
mircea_popescu: the whole point of this public company is that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform possibly because other parties assemble teh boxes.
trinque is trying to not let the ad hoc process here rustle his jimmies
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that he eventually wants to have the infrastructure down there for his own boxen
asciilifeform: mod6: i dunget it then, what does your 'in' consist of
mod6: I wanna send like 4 down there.
mircea_popescu: i am exaggerating for to make the point.
mircea_popescu: $900 writeoff for "expert" that didn;t as much as write on her tits, now $3k write-off for "month of pulling dick atop empty rack", the joys of business over here.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you did. and how it took , what , whole month on top of the Officially specced <week , and showed signs of passing through who knows what ordeals
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the orig prototype rng
trinque: guy's talking about vacations. shipping has been plan B if there's no machines to acquire on the spot
asciilifeform: maybe i'm thick, but , let's say mircea_popescu wants a server magicked into existence. would he want to pay the cost of a asciilifeform-carries-in-suitcase-in-airplane-to-BingoBoingoistan in the cost of said box ?
asciilifeform: this is mildly reminiscent of the 'hand-delivery for FG service' thread
BingoBoingo: Someone here has to need a vacation, mircea_popescu might be the only other person in the republic with better weather scheduled for the next two months.