mircea_popescu: so, the 9.6 x 9.6 inch form factor.
mircea_popescu: this is officially the dumbest standard i ever encountered. i am officially giving up trying to use the words, will use the numbers.
mircea_popescu: the (consumer) motherboard is miniATX (the somewhat intermediate one, 10x10) not mini-ATX (the smaller-than-ITX novel thing, 6x6).
mircea_popescu: the (consumer) motherboard is microATX (the somewhat intermediate one) not micro-ATX (the smaller-than-ITX novel thing).
mircea_popescu: TomServo no, no, the design contemplated is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782165
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 10:46 mircea_popescu: now, of course, the 6376 could be piled 4 to the motherboard. but i tell you i don't see you'd want it, considering how much it eats.
mircea_popescu: take something like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782012 : if you did actyually put 4 to the mobo, as they theoretically can suffer, and somehow stuffed all this in 1U, and attempted to put 40 such units at half a kW each inside one rack, i'd fully expect the whole thing melting down within the hour. not even water can take out 20KJ/s out of a (stationary) rack. we're talking like, car engine sorta coolings by now.
mircea_popescu: so i'm kinda trying to outsource the heat knowhow to the dc, in this passive manner. kinda why i got a low W cpu. i'm thinking i'd have to worry more about some modern 500W bs "single"t or multi-cpu than about this basically 125W max power item. how much can it possibly heat...
mircea_popescu: but in principle, gear can't produce more heat than the electricity it gets. so i expect at some point they'll start whining about "Gotta get another rack, we can't go over 4kw/per" or w/e they do. no ?
mircea_popescu: very theoretically could fit 20, and perhaps the dc can provide the extra wattage. but gotta see somehow.
mircea_popescu: well, i expect draw in the 200-250W. that means at most 10 per rack at current power.
TomServo: Well, I'm a bit miffed at the idea of stuffing consumer gear in racks, but I've not tried this. Seems risky.
mircea_popescu: mod6 for the sake of nitpicks, it's buenas, cuz somehow la noche is feminine. buenos tacos / buenas noches.
mircea_popescu: dja have dc experience then ?
TomServo: BingoBoingo: In my experience the plastic slats are intended to better maintain hot/cold isle airflow.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-incredible-productive-assets-and-unlimited-human-ingenuity-existing-in-america/ << Trilema - The incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America.
BingoBoingo: Ah. Right now are cage has a bunch of the solid plastic slats in the front. This has been added to the questions checklist.
mircea_popescu: cabinets often come with them preinstalled, but then again that's more a mid/high market thing ; yours may be barebones-er than this.
mircea_popescu: (you put one or two blowing in at the bottom, and same number blowing out at the top)
BingoBoingo: I am going there again tomorrow. I held the thing in place helpful guy used the screwdriver to secure it to the rack studs. Apologies for the ambiguity.
mircea_popescu: aite. do you know the covers i mean ?
mircea_popescu: how did the qntra box get installed ?
mircea_popescu: wait wait, i thought you had visited the dc floor ?
BingoBoingo: I have not been there yet. Though I might be able to find some sorta box to throw in the cage. Returning to the datacenter tomorrow say hello, take pics, and ask again about importers. I was distracted by accounting/blogging/sheetmetalhunt Monday/Today.
mircea_popescu: do you have sideways fan covers for the rack units btw ? or how does it look ?
BingoBoingo: The standard will.
BingoBoingo: Yeah. The wraith is not going to fit in 2U
BingoBoingo: Well, someone is piling hardware in the US? I haven't seen volunteers yet other than phf to courier
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> 2u is like... 8.9cm tall. you think not ? << Alright with the amd fx-8350 there are skus that some with different coolers. There the stock cooler that looks like it should not be a problem, and then there is the WRAITH special edition kooler 4Gamerz which is 80 mm high and rather tall for a 2U case. Whoever goes piling iron would be advised to watch this difference.
mod6: davout comin of the top rope
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: in other criminal organization news, even the locals are getting in on it http://www.wbtv.com/story/37442000/source-davidson-county-deputy-arrested-after-bank-robbery-in-rockwell
BingoBoingo: While I do some measurement and chassis hunting, here is the board powering Qntra if anyone wants to build their own. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138448
mircea_popescu: BUT : if you have good cooling, cpu is "unlocked" and motherboard supports it, so you can prolly overclock it to like 5k
mircea_popescu: anyway, the board itself is glass pcb, a fine piece indeed. however, the processor doesn't even work over 60 celsius.
mircea_popescu: but its microatx ftr, not mini. that's even smaller than the itx
BingoBoingo: The board ought to fit in 2U, plently of chassis advertised for that if not necessarily here in Uruguay. The FX-8xxx series though is apparently quite the heater.
mircea_popescu: (this ~is~ a desktop cpu ; so it may need special mounting, but i don't think it should be outright unmountable. the asrock is a mini-atx, afaik those fit in 2u.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781846 << In the early searching I am wondering if a cooler will fit
mircea_popescu: btw BingoBoingo : do some research, see if you can actually mount the proposed config as such, see if you find better parts or anything.
mircea_popescu: then again, there were idiots "working for the government" in the 90s eastern bloc...
BingoBoingo: Well, they gotta let the price run up again before they waterfall for increasingly disappointing crashes a couple more times at least.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 14:54 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, this reminds me of early attempts with Italian: when stuck, grab a Romanian/French/latin word, stick Italian ending on it and say it loud and clear; it the worse case locals will promptly correct it
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/06/two-months-in-montevideo/ << Bingo Blog - Two Months In Montevideo
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 03:29 mircea_popescu: ex of 1B documents. Then our cost comes down to $12M/yr." << this danluu piece is the most idiotic thing i read all day. what the fuck has "cloud" done to these people that they think a 1bn index cost A MILLION A MONTH holy shit.
asciilifeform also finally infected. plox to buffer the haetmail , folx, for day or two.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !~later tell pete_dushenski Have you been following the BBisp developments?
BingoBoingo: name] S.A. but it will have a seperate "doing business as" name which I figure might as well just be my name according to the principal of maximum pissing on.
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> BingoBoingo, is the "company" having your name or isn't this between latechco and your company or what? << At present due to the painful $900 lesson my name is my company, though it is indeed a legally registered company in Uruguay. Once I have a local ID (Hopefully sometime March-April) and I make another run at the corporation (because the provisional ID cuts the passport knot) it will be [insert aculturally relevant
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, this reminds me of early attempts with Italian: when stuck, grab a Romanian/French/latin word, stick Italian ending on it and say it loud and clear; it the worse case locals will promptly correct it
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, is the "company" having your name or isn't this between latechco and your company or what?
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/06/contract/ << Bingo Blog - Contract
mircea_popescu: and, of course, the boxes discussed if rented add another $50. or else can colocate own, but must be provided CIF @ BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: so then, (7150 - 1403) * 6 / 52 / 40 * 2 = 33.15 final cost, per week. includes 1U of space, 37.75GB of weekly upload / 377.5GB download (as per 20 / 8 × 3600 × 24 × 7 ÷ 40) and 2500/40 = 62.5 Watts of power (in the sense of 37.8 MJ).
juhoitse: And probably start there
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 05:03 mircea_popescu: so then, 7150 * 6 / 52 / 40 * 2 = 41.25 final cost, per week. includes 1U of space, 302GB of weekly upload / 3TB download (as per 20 × 3600 × 24 × 7 ÷ 40) and lessee re wattage,
mircea_popescu: aite. so i say publish as is, but replace the addresses with ***.
juhoitse: Im trying to learn slowly but surely about all these cryptothings
juhoitse: Thanks for the tip man
diana_coman: juhoitse, I suggest you try making some btc directly in eulora; at least there you can't lose more than you have
juhoitse: As a finn I have the immunity to hard liqour but I've lost my social skills as a consequence
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : "why did you bring your cat to school, joey ?" "because as i was leaving daddy said to mommy he's gonna eat that pussy once joey leaves for school ;/"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Here is the whole unredacted contract. I am unsure what, if anything ought to be redacted before publication given the mission of maximally pissing on the enemy by not being a prude http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7WHsY/?raw=true
juhoitse: I'm finishing high school at the moment, going to study engineering in a uni hopefully soon
mircea_popescu: juhoitse so who might you be, other than dpb's friend ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782057 << the principal difference being that other than holding down a high responsibility tech job with a significant on-call component, ~the woman~ is also raising a child. with the flu and everything. yet somehow her shit is still dribbling out on thursdays, today as nine weeks ago.
mircea_popescu: check it out trinque even better than originally thought. i forgot about the setup fees.
BingoBoingo returns to formating tables in plaintext in the anexes
BingoBoingo: Deturding the contract now. Re: the weekly number the 7150 included two one time setup charges so (900+250)*1.22=1403 of the 7150 sum sent is not going to be recurring. Months 2 through 23 of the contract are 2834.06 each after VAT.
mircea_popescu: make 2018 the year bb becomes rich.
mircea_popescu: and, to be sure, if you do manage to fill it, and if it does make good dough, i'll be just as happy for you to get a nice villa and import your own german car and diddle all the uruguayan hos you can find. so...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for clerical record : the per-month amortisation value of a $1300 box is 1300/12 (ie, we deem them obsolete in one year) ; consequently the retail monthly cost of a $1300 box is 1300/12*2 = 216.666666667 ; or the weekly exactly 50.
mircea_popescu: now, as to everyone else : today's the 6th. the plan is to continue discussing the spec given above, for improvements/refinements/whatever until the 8th ; at which point we start ordering. there's about 15k fiats worth of gear being contemplated, and i'm more than willing to spread it around a few people who want some cheap coins.
mircea_popescu: so ~in principle~, you can end up very profitable. what's needed is a good system for shared hosting, and hounding the low end forums/whatever.
mircea_popescu: then there's 5 * 41.25 * 7 ~= 1500 from racking the five. if you get say another five items to rack from other folk, that's 3k.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : the logic is, ima want 5 of the dozen ; the rest could each at least in principle support 100 "shared" sorta sites each, at $20 a month or whatever you end up charging. that's, if you manage to fill up the lot, $14`000 per month in revenue.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> you gonna be there to pick him up when he lands yes ? << I can be if he asks. From there the plan is proceed to the cowork and unpack the equipment.
BingoBoingo: From there the actual customs x-ray station and the lines for said station is around a U shaped bend. Usually they apathetically wave people through, the more foreign appearing without being India/Chinese generally the less interest they have.
mircea_popescu: you gonna be there to pick him up when he lands yes ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo aite on the power and rack cages scores. any tips you want to share with phf ? how's teh suitcase ppls do it ? << They pad things as appropriate, but they discard the original packaging. Also it is important to grab a customs form, they are on the wall on the right once you exit the duty free store zone, on the opposite side of the space is the baggage claim.
mircea_popescu sees no problem whatsoever in paying 0.22 * 12 * 120+50 = 366.8 vat if it gets the pile across.
mircea_popescu: intel thinking at the time being is, "have the paperwork for mbs and chips in slot 1 ; paperwork for disks in slot 2 ; for ram in slot 3. then if asked for papers, present slot 1, offer to pay, whine and ask for discounts, etc. if that dun pass, add slot 2, whine more insistently."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aite on the power and rack cages scores. any tips you want to share with phf ? how's teh suitcase ppls do it ?
mircea_popescu: o hey there.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 01:36 mircea_popescu: well the whole thing is one huge napkin doodle shared over the chan as it stands
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> incidentally, if trinque , phf , et al , grasp mircea_popescu's pov, and think ' asciilifeform is idjit ' , invited to explain to asciilifeform . << The problem of where to post was the easy part of the ask. Especially in light of the growing napkin doodle problem http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780678
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well apparently this was never published. yo BingoBoingo WHY is your contract that you signed not online ? where's the wattage ? etc. << Will deturd and publish today
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo does the dc provide the racking boxes at least ? or does sheer metal have to be carried from overseas also ? << Inquiry sent, with a timeline (i.e. can be had next week)
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: why are you not rolling VAT into this pricing scheme? << I did not in that draft under the presumption taxes are another salary.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ? << Sounds a hell of a lot beefier than the Qntra server.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:31 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: If the paper declaring it an import with a value isn't there at least another 50% on top of the 22% VAT. Looking at the advertisements here https://listado.mercadolibre.com.uy/samsung-ssd#D[A:samsung ssd] it appears there is a brisk business of people doing the suitcase thing.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781806 << i missed this. say what ? << Is re: Fedexing things of value for the local customs folks to decide are shady unlabeled "internet purchases", apparently that is their term of art.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on the cool deal front, http://trilema.com/2013/splendor-in-the-grass/#comment-124461
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:31 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: If the paper declaring it an import with a value isn't there at least another 50% on top of the 22% VAT. Looking at the advertisements here https://listado.mercadolibre.com.uy/samsung-ssd#D[A:samsung ssd] it appears there is a brisk business of people doing the suitcase thing.
mircea_popescu: now then, considering that config : the fx-8350 is ~120 bux ; the ASRock 970M PRO3 is like $50 ; 4 x 16GB ddr3-1866 ram chips (say teh crucial ct16g3r186dm) come to about 700 dollars. drives should be about $100 to 150 per. i'm thinking should prolly actually include 2 and 4 disk setups, so taking an average of 3 that's about $1300 per box, which is not bad at all, really.
diana_coman: oh yes, theoretically all sorts; by "properly-speaking" I meant precisely NOT theoretical
mircea_popescu: ~theoretically~ teh linux kernel is multithreaded ; in practice... well, more or less. 32 core certainly does not support 4x the load of 8 core cpus, at least in my (very limited) experience.
diana_coman: I can see the argument as a generic offering , yes; in all fairness it's not like we have a load of properly-speaking multi-threaded software to run
mircea_popescu: not to mention the item is an atrocity cobbled together out of a dozen or so actual chips, and all sorts of those discussions.
mircea_popescu: take something like, i dunno, epyc-7351 say. costs 7x, has 4x the cores, 4.5x the ram speed, 4.5x the l2/3 cache and 50% the power. basically i'm getting less than twice as much processor per watt, if i pay 7x the money. meh.
mircea_popescu: kinda intended to be a sort of generic offering ; people with specific needs still can ship their gear over.
diana_coman: well, at the end of the day it depends on what software exactly one runs on that computer, not an overall generic answer
mircea_popescu: this, of course, is where "teh experts" could contribute, if they weren't busy taking a shit right exactly when they're needed. but... such is lyf.
mircea_popescu: seems to me a bad deal to trade 4ghz down to 3 in exchange for 16 cores instead of 8. contrary to all the hubbub, "multithreading" isn't nearly that working in practice.
diana_coman: well yes, hence "slight dislike" not a deal breaker or anything major; fwiw at this moment I'd say Eulora can certainly live on either
mircea_popescu: now, of course, the 6376 could be piled 4 to the motherboard. but i tell you i don't see you'd want it, considering how much it eats.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman the power diff is only about 10W. the 6376 does have 16 cores, but then again 8350 is 4GHz vs 3ish...
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781846 <- my only slight dislike of the amd fx is precisely higher power consumption & warming up; while fx 8350s is indeed not that bad on this account, it still consumes more than opteron 6376 afaik
mircea_popescu: the "pay twice the cost but it buys you insurance from "what if the rack doesn't fill" as well as not having to do the legwork" principle seems reasonably fair to me ; it may alter in the future, but for fucking cause. like the prices work in #eulora.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the committment to transparency and in general predictability as shown above is there.
trinque hasn't a preference for weekly, other than manages the bitcoin:fiat interface volatility better, which iirc was the rationale
mircea_popescu: well apparently this was never published. yo BingoBoingo WHY is your contract that you signed not online ? where's the wattage ? etc.
mircea_popescu: so then, 7150 * 6 / 52 / 40 * 2 = 41.25 final cost, per week. includes 1U of space, 302GB of weekly upload / 3TB download (as per 20 × 3600 × 24 × 7 ÷ 40) and lessee re wattage,
mircea_popescu: anyway, i can say outright BingoBoingo 's prices are not correct. i ended up paying a little over 7k for 2 months' of the thing ; that's 3.6k or such post tax / 3k pre-tax not 2323.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/02/malware-exploiting-intel-cpu-hardware-vunerabilities-being-found-in-the-wild/ << Qntra - Malware Exploiting Intel CPU Hardware Vunerabilities Being Found In The Wild
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/09/buttfunex-preparing-for-another-insertion-sorry-for-your-loss/ << Qntra - Buttfunex Preparing For Another Insertion: Sorry For Your Loss
trinque knows BingoBoingo is *not* trying to omit things, just sets off allergies I developed dealing with other folks
trinque: ftr BingoBoingo it would've been clearer to just leave vat (and any other line items) in the calculation for U/wk
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo does the dc provide the racking boxes at least ? or does sheer metal have to be carried from overseas also ?
trinque is probably not the only person who is going to be aggressively buying bitcoin now that the blowoff happened.
trinque: "my name is BingoBoingo and a U costs X, the end." pls&ty
trinque: not "here's our cost model" plus whatever margin and maybe we find there are other costs later, or something
trinque: not stating an explicit price per U is going to make the folks who aren't independently wealthy hesitant to dive in headfirst.
mircea_popescu: well, exposing history is prolly 90% of the job anyway. give people a feel for it.
trinque: we might even get to the point where I *am* willing to quote fees ahead of time
asciilifeform: mod6: there is not some private segment that was not shown ( aside from sept.-dec. exchanges where asciilifeform was directed to obtain $iron, reported on progress, all the way to 'dulap-III ready for installation' )
asciilifeform: whole thing is in the logs.
asciilifeform: was curious re whether mod6 observed some detail which asciilifeform missed, is all.
asciilifeform: if he says ' ok, moron, go fucking finish it ' i'ma scratch head and finish it ; otherwise i got 9000pounds of what to still do otherwise
mod6: I srsly doubt anyone thinks you're an idiot. I certainly do not. Maybe just take an irc break for a few hours. Stop your converyor belt, go and write blog post about boxen; even if too late. Ask forgiveness. Who knows, maybe Mr. Popescu changes his mind. Maybe not. But eitherway, lesson learned 'eh?
trinque: danielpbarron: if somebody withdraws entire balance, I subtract the tx fee from that amount.
trinque: and nah, I'm not quoting them ahead of time
asciilifeform: hanbot's tip re calendars didn't particularly help either.
mircea_popescu: you realise this is the definition of tilt, yes ? "i know better than mp" etc.
asciilifeform: the 'here is what we have' of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779933 is fulfilled by what mircea_popescu termed 'the random garbage in the log' (in fact a complete actionable description of asciilifeform's inventory.) the 'what we will EVER want to get' , and asciilifeform is multiply on record re subj, is more of exactly same , 63xx/61xx opterons , from same surplus contacts where asciilifeform previously obtained the 3.
mircea_popescu: if one sentence's insufficient however many more are available upon request. PRIOR rather than POST failure.
mircea_popescu: hey. the job is reading and understanding what's said. nobody else can, or will do it for you.
asciilifeform: the way i parsed mircea_popescu's original work req, is that it was to be primarily a manifest of iron ready to fly in time for phf.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fucking problem is exactly the "partial info". i'd rather have none.
asciilifeform: hanbot , mircea_popescu : it ain't unnecessary, but it was stuck on the conveyor behind delayed ch10. asciilifeform (apparently mistakenly) assumed that mircea_popescu could act on the partial info. instead he 'yer an idjit, i'ma make my boxes from old shoes nao instead'
asciilifeform: hanbot: i have nfi what the reaction is, possibly mircea_popescu has indigestion instead of rum, or whatever. i have a total of 3 usable machines, purchased after consultation with mircea_popescu , and reimbursed by him; specs were detailed to mircea_popescu before and after purchase . 1 machine was intended for s.nsa in particular; 2 for use as mircea_popescu later sees fit. whole thing was laid out in the logs on several occasions,
hanbot: asciilifeform are you basically arguing that the reaction is disproportionate?
mircea_popescu: juhoitse no space after !! there you go
asciilifeform: hanbot: the man's clearly imbibed a critical mass of high octane rum, i can only leave him to digest it .
mircea_popescu: you wanna participate, you gotta participate, not fuck up people's work for them.
mircea_popescu: and as an added bonus, you now get to go about looking for lords willing to bring your ideas about republican iron to the table, because i'm not further looking for your input on the topic just as i'm not further looking for your input on eucrypt topic.
hanbot: asciilifeform i don't doubt it, but my tidbit is solely re what i quoted from you, ie got stuck trying to satisfy earlier item, and so hadn't produced other item by deadline that prolly didn't even seem like one
mircea_popescu: at some point, maybe, if we're lucky, s.nsa will get another chance to have its iron delivered. until then, there it sits.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes dude. you were to produce a blog article detailing the items sunday night, you dumped random lines in log monday night isntead. this is what fucking up delivery is.
asciilifeform: hanbot: i have the full stack of communiques from asciilifeform to mircea_popescu re each purchase, his responses, etc. and so does he. it dun seem to help.
hanbot: anyway i humbly suggest breaking out the day by day calendar etc when met with surprises as above.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing in particular, they can just sit and wait. you can write a letter to the shareholders explaining how you fucked up delivery if you wish.
hanbot: <asciilifeform> picture this, i even took the photos, and cropped, etc. and got stuck trying to satisfy mircea_popescu's earlier item << fwiw, i suspect organizational trouble rather'n deliberate anti-delivery here. i'll say: i spent years imagining i.e. deliberate, detailed scheduling, writing "bullet points" etc was for dumb people, and that naturally i didn't need it. and i got by for various definitions of gettin', but didn't wash in mp's com
asciilifeform: hey mircea_popescu , as s.nsa fuhrer, wouldja condescend to say what it is you want done with the 3u of iron you had commissioned ?
mircea_popescu: he leaves on 13th, so if you send them say tomorrow they can't possibly be late i dun think ?
mircea_popescu: do the maffs and let me know.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu for some reason of his own won't arrange the delivery of the completed box to s.bisp , asciilifeform will have to do so on his own, in furtherance of his obligations as s.nsa cto.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:42 mircea_popescu: in order to be useful you must actually communicate. this "ima just do whatever the fuck occurs to me" dun cut it. never has, never will.
asciilifeform: i ask this because the 3 boxes were purchased in autumn, after pedantically detailed discussion with mircea_popescu (see s.nsa reports for sept, oct 2017); , and on his express approval, paid for, burn-in tested, etc.
mircea_popescu: yes well. maybe some other time.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 21:40 asciilifeform: i'ma have to uncrate and photo then, later this weekend.
asciilifeform: picture this, i even took the photos, and cropped, etc. and got stuck trying to satisfy mircea_popescu's earlier http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-30#1778264 item
mircea_popescu: in order to be useful you must actually communicate. this "ima just do whatever the fuck occurs to me" dun cut it. never has, never will.
asciilifeform: the problem is to figure out wat exactly mircea_popescu wants
mircea_popescu: how about you stop doing dumb shit instead of running around trying to fix the dumb shit you already did.
mircea_popescu: he can't provide you a fucking quote on my airfare, what the fuck's wrong with you.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-14 18:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751463 << it does exactly one fucking job. this one : diana_coman please don't talk to asciilifeform or take any further advice from him. total timewaste.
asciilifeform: they aren't actually mine tho, they're s.nsa inventory, mircea_popescu in fact had paid for'em.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: If the paper declaring it an import with a value isn't there at least another 50% on top of the 22% VAT. Looking at the advertisements here https://listado.mercadolibre.com.uy/samsung-ssd#D[A:samsung ssd] it appears there is a brisk business of people doing the suitcase thing.
mircea_popescu: i tell you to do x, you do non-x, then whine about not being in the loop. then learn nothing from the experience, ready to do it all over again
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the messages table was asking for it.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: get a read on how they calculate tax for items in opened envelopes yet?
asciilifeform: and BingoBoingo knows that ssd dun last 4evah. so there'd better be an economical way of getting'em into BingoBoingostan.
asciilifeform: so then.
asciilifeform: they're what, half inch thick
BingoBoingo: I have not been there, but how many disks are you going to fit in an envelope before it starts looking like a package?
ben_vulpes: hah mircea_popescu did break the messages table!
BingoBoingo: Only so much of the population is capable of working as a pinoy+, the competent authorities here are keenly aware that everything they have here is because of tourist expenditures.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Everything that comes in Fedex/DHL seems to get inspected at customs here. Customs here seems to focus on how things enter the country. If it is fedex/dhl they figure it is prolly a local they can tax on their amazon purchase. If it is in a suitcase it is assumed to be the holy relic of a sacred tourist and thusly undisturbed.
asciilifeform wonders whether ssd is in fact small enuff to travel via fedex to BingoBoingo without undue problems
asciilifeform: all 3 boxes purchased under s.nsa flag; #2 is provisioned with same contents as Dulap-II; the other 2 are sitting diskless and await instruction from mircea_popescu re what he'd like in'em.
asciilifeform: oh misprint : #1 has 2.5" bays. (this makes 0 practical diff, ssd only comes in 2.5, i installed converter rails in the 3.5 slots of the others )
asciilifeform: all 3 have hotswap disk rails; and (why, i do not know, but it's there) 'slim' dvd drive.
asciilifeform: on hand are three machines of the base config seen in http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/system/1U/1022/AS-1022G-URF.cfm ;
shinohai: Soon, BingoBoingo .... I have a relapse of the flu curse wafting around here.
asciilifeform: ok mircea_popescu , ready for the list ?
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i figure should prolly enact an expense account for you, looking through these ledgers. how's 20 bux a day sound ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> btw BingoBoingo , what's a 'CoWork' ? << An office arrangement where they set you up with an address suitable for local fiscal reporting. Lotta outsourced remote workers here, many of the better locals I have encountered. Place to do actual work, the hostel isn't equiped to accomodate that.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> aww poor bb lost weight! how you holding up down there ? << It beats the US, but the better my spanish gets the less impressed I am with the locals.
BingoBoingo: in their published catalog.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo in the end, did you get prices from anyone that weren't utterly ridiculous, 2x internets ? << Not for shit that isn't lowest common denominator consumer boxes. The datacenter forwarded a spreadsheet SuperMicro sent them with prices for two boxes in quantities up to 20 a piece today. Missing was any information on what the fuck the boxes were. Super Micro included model numbers that don't resolve to anything
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/01/the-boingo-isp-january-2018-monthly-statement/#comment-114635 << what's that star in there ? << Note that got cut off where I mention expenses in pesos get converted to Dosiedoes for reporting purposes.
mircea_popescu: aww poor bb lost weight! how you holding up down there ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in the end, did you get prices from anyone that weren't utterly ridiculous, 2x internets ?
mircea_popescu: the 5th is on its way to giving way to 6th.
asciilifeform bashing his head against the wall , yet again, trying to make a graphical diagram.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/01/the-boingo-isp-january-2018-monthly-statement/#comment-114635 << what's that star in there ?
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm not saying they're credible, or at least competent at lying. you asked for the #.
asciilifeform: 'The alteration of the table is currently in progress. As it is a huge table, it might take some hours to finish' << gotta wonder what is 'huge' here
asciilifeform: ( does it yet merit inclusion in the glossary ? )
asciilifeform: we-the-engineers (tm)
asciilifeform: 'This morning, around 8 AM PST, our database for personal messages ran out of ids. We, the engineers, are to blame for not detecting this before it happened. :( We are very sorry for the inconvenience.' << gold
mircea_popescu: sell as little as you need within 10% of the ath and you'll be fine.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-05 22:37 mircea_popescu: aite, well, you'll have to survive on the fiat you have, i dun see selling at these joek prices as sane.
mircea_popescu: aite, well, you'll have to survive on the fiat you have, i dun see selling at these joek prices as sane.
BingoBoingo: One person could summon $500 and the others on prodding would have been lucky to summon twice that in pesos.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 17:02 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so what's the plan here, drop upon the dc with brown paper bag fulla cash ?
mircea_popescu: so was this basically a case of a) you figured you'll play at teh FX speculator and it didn't work out for you or b) you misjudged http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769068 capacity of the place to such a degree, all it could actually absorb was a measly 500 ?
BingoBoingo: Right now I am waiting and still asking people if they want coffee
BingoBoingo: By the time I made the date it was http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774838 The trade cost 0.04876872 in BTC and delivered 500 Dosiedoes
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you sell it half price.
BingoBoingo: So far, the other people advertising on local BTC last I checked were skittish. Will try to make some more trade dates, but the OKcupid thing pre-mike_c seemed like an easier way to meet people
mircea_popescu: well... turns out that they burn great, in the medieval sense : they smoke now. entirely unusable in dainty 21th century "colonial style" house awash in whitewash.
mircea_popescu: but, think i, i've this nice cm thick natural linen rope for the girls, how about i use knife to cut new hole and replace mm wick with cm wick ?
mircea_popescu: and in today's "engineering's not my calling" : i have some nice thick candles, which no longer burn because the thread-thin wicks they came with aren't strong enough to melt the whole thickness and as a result they get drowned in melted wax.
asciilifeform: but i have nfi where to get board of actual cork, short of going to , wherever, portugal, and buying the tree...
asciilifeform: i think i have the # 5664T11 .
asciilifeform: catalogue # 425V99 , a quarter of what i have, same thickness, and minus the frame -- costs 3x what i paid
ben_vulpes: there's also mcmaster carr
asciilifeform: ( the offensive scamitude is not even in the lack of cork -- to make a cheap ersatz corkboard, they could've used e.g. rubber from old tires, anything similarly 'self-healing' . but no, had to imitate the genuine article , PRETEND )
asciilifeform: to make the thing last even a short while, the maker used very tough cardboard to replace the missing cork. but as result the tack barely want to go in at all, create the temptation to keep a hammer nearby , and provoke the question of why then bothered to buy and hang up the item to begin with, could as easily hammer into wall
asciilifeform: aa yes! exactly same substance. minus the shiny. and scaled up to cover a wall.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:39 mircea_popescu: here's the problems with "expensive, upscale" coasters : they're not a square of cut up cork, like you'd expect if they were you know, uncivilised, unglamorous, un-internet-of-things orcfare. no. they're a thin strip of cork glued to cardboard with some shiny drawings on top.
asciilifeform: relatedly, i recently hung up a 'premium, high end' corkboard, several square metres, and it turns out that 1) maybe half the depth is actual cork, the rest -- cardboard 2) no other kind is available