phf: spyked: if you sign your patch, i can include it in the vtools graph, a "collaborative" experience :)
phf: in other words, it's either static inline or the #define { ...} while(0); trick, because extern inline/inline doesn't make any guarantees. i think it'll be adequately tmsr solution to just moved those definitions into own functions and not worry about "speed"
phf: "Making a function an inline function suggests that calls to the function be as fast as possible. The extent to which such suggestions are effective is implementation-defined."
spyked: there is another (non-)solution: #define bla(arg1,arg2) { code_to_be_inlined } while(0); results in no duplicate function definitions, but also no type checking is performed on the args, so no warnings etc. quite the ugly.
phf: this gnulib solution actually wants you to define FOO_INLINE, which is set to "inline" when defined, and "extern inline" when used, so you can't even avoid the #define hackery with "extern inline". "Other non-C99 compilers use static inline so they suffer from code bloat, but they are not mainline platforms and will die out eventually."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is a correct pill but not the culprit in hanbot's case : phf however just nao found the actual culprit
a111: Logged on 2018-03-01 13:52 spyked: anyway, comment was that I managed to compile and run vdiff with small mods; error: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BiBTI/?raw=true and fix patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9mOiz/?raw=true (tested this with the generated vdiff); I can try to link this reply later in a comment to test.
phf: spyked actually fixed it before, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786600 unfortunately i don't understand the problem/solution, http://archive.is/w6W7P i think originally difftools had some conditional #define there
asciilifeform: strike my observation, then, it is entirely wrong.
phf: i'm not sure it's the correct solution then, i thought you reproduced. xn* is defined by differ itself in xalloc.c, so it might have something to do with multiple includes and specific combination of static/inlines
asciilifeform: but in principle the answer seen in my gpr, is the pill. no libc in libs, it makes for duped linkage. (incidentally just as barfy in a c/cpp proggy as in gnat)
asciilifeform: phf: i also was unable to reproduce. but i have not yet switched to the exact 'candidate gnat' in question.
phf: the issue was already reported by someone else, but at the time the suggested fix was to put a bunch of C level annotations (some combination of static inlines), which i didn't think was an adequate solution, given that i don't understand why it does or doesn't work. but ascii's explanation makes sense, though i can't reproduce the issue on any of the machines i have with adacore's gnat (freebsd, osx, debian)
phf: these kind of flags are set by ~xml~ files inside gnat's gprbuild support files, so there can be a general patch on gnat to do the right thing
mircea_popescu: anyway, the pile of ad-hoc name systems in legacy unix is starting to get on my heads. PATH, really ? amnd then "use mkdtemp" and fucking hell already
mircea_popescu: and also, this isn't so much hanbot's gnat, but really the copy diana_coman 's maintaining that's for all intents and purposes the candidate for standardization.
asciilifeform: we still dun have a gnat-for-pc that shits out a binary ~wholly~ without libc ( although ave1 iirc is working on one and is quite close ) . but hanbot's issue is that libc got linked ~into the lib~ which results in attempting to link with 2 copies of libc (1 goes into the main) .
asciilifeform: hanbot, mircea_popescu , et al : observe in phf's http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools-vpatch/tree/vtools/vdiff.gpr , he did not forbid the linking of libc into the library ( as i did in http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ffa/libffa/ffa.gpr#L46 ) . apparently this worx on some gnat, but on hanbot's -- barfs
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, if working rng were standard on pc, 128bits from it would give unique-gensym ( the supposed problem , according to the gcc nitwits, with mktemp , is collision ) without O(N) searching ( as in mkstemp) with probability ~1
mircea_popescu: let's just make idle pointless strongly worded warnings to maintain the general state of pantsuit mindset!@!1
mircea_popescu: fucking idiots put it in the linker, but NEVER INCLUDED ANY DISCUSSION of why the fuck.
mod6: huh, well that's news to me -- I was prodded to use that in the latest version of my vtron. I'll have to look into that. Not that my thing is related to hanbot's problem.
mircea_popescu: like two-three meters out on the balcony, you know... at first i thought it's swooping in for my dick.
mod6: diana_coman: thanks for your careful reading of the Pizarro Feb statement, the error has been corrected, I believe.
mircea_popescu: they got grace!
mircea_popescu: bird was there for a good half hour, trying to figure out how to best extract the quarry, it was something else.
mircea_popescu: in other unrelated not-news, "gun crazy" is a terrible "film". just thought nobody'd like to know.
mod6: it /is/ possible that it could have been some ahi tuna from the day previous. but no one else who ate it got sick.
diana_coman: hanbot, try it now; wp messed up the link, gah
hanbot: <diana_coman> obv you need gnat; see here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/03/08/eucrypt-compilation-sheet/ << thanks for the pointer --looks like relevant gnat & shasum 404 though?
BingoBoingo: Well, during the 1980's
diana_coman: (I mirrored the gnat I recommend too, given previous experience with everything pretty much)
mircea_popescu: in other ancient t-lulz asciilifeform might've missed, http://trilema.com/2011/bai-deci-m-am-indragostit-de-un-barbat/
hanbot: phf listen, i failed to anticipate my build environment being incapable of making yer patcher. wouldja mind sharing how you put together what you compiled your keccak vpatch with?
mircea_popescu: mmm pretty sure diana_coman has a holy gnat incarnation somewhere, part of the eucrypt writeup.
hanbot: i haven't put together anything special for ada yet. what was that supposed to be, install gnat (which ?)?
mircea_popescu: (bash) error 127 just means the command's not found in your path.
mircea_popescu: hanbot anyway, are you using jam/ftjam or what's the connection ? leftover build process from eulora basically ?
mircea_popescu: it's certainly the "things work" thing.
hanbot: "$ make vpatch gprbuild -Pvpatch.gpr make: gprbuild: Command not found make: *** [vpatch] Error 127" << is this https://www.jamf.com/jamf-nation/discussions/17322/problems-with-good-scripts-failing-exit-code-127 then?
phf: asciilifeform: building weechat on a work laptop using homebrew. i mean, that's deep behind enemy lines, so it's not surprising, but i'm fascinated by the increasing levels of fail
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-03-27 20:44 mod6: http://trilema.com/2018/the-rivers-of-blood-article-or-the-lordship-list-fifth-year/#comment-125099
shinohai: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-27#320406 <<< and I thank you for the hours of instruction not only on trb, but V as well. Has been a pleasure and an honour, Sir! o7
mod6: jurov^ The above is a Pizarro invoice for services rendered to The Bitcoin Foundation during the Month of March. Please remit the amount indicated to the address indicated in the deed. Thanks in advance! Please let me know if you have any questions.
mod6: http://trilema.com/2018/the-rivers-of-blood-article-or-the-lordship-list-fifth-year/#comment-125099
mod6: (where 'vtools' is the press output directory)
mod6: or if you'd rather: ./v.pl press verbose vtools vtools-vpatch.vpatch
phf: right now keccak/sha512 vpatches are not differentiated in any way, so having both of them in the same workflow might result in confusion (in fact it did when i was testing things at some point). it might be worthwhile to introduce some kind of hash tagging scheme, eg keccak:<hash> vs sha512:<hash> and keep <hash> without prefix as sha512 for legacy reasons.
phf: (but just to further clarify, vtools patchset is all SHA512, so pressing it will work with all the existing tooling. vtools's vdiff can be pressed to have either keccak or sha512 support. vtools's vpatch at the moment can be pressed to have keccak support only.)
a111: Logged on 2018-03-27 18:06 mircea_popescu: phf does your new vdiff (that's supposed to introduce keccak into the build flow) actually REQUIRE the presser ALREADY HAVE keccak ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-27#1789989 << no, it's diffed with sha512 differ (a keccak vpatch wouldn't link into existing graph either, since hashes won't match)
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/03/27/human-migration-in-uruguay/ << Bingo Blog - Human Migration In Uruguay
mircea_popescu: phf does your new vdiff (that's supposed to introduce keccak into the build flow) actually REQUIRE the presser ALREADY HAVE keccak ?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, did you know pigs actually have lower fat ratios than human females ? 70% or so muscle dem ripped oinkers.
mircea_popescu: nice catch there asciilifeform lolz
mircea_popescu: then this makes it open season for that.
trinque: certainly the thing is needed in the abstract. service exists and user wants a stream of happenings.
asciilifeform: hanbot: so your press head in the args ended up word 'verbose'
mircea_popescu: i suspect that however you turn it, something LIKE rss we will have to have, and that like is so close as to not make the killing worth the bullets.
mircea_popescu: layer 2, the general point : rss is very visible an irc-driven reaction to web idiocy. it's the web-less-est thing on the web, and for the very plain and evident consideration tha the web is wrong, EXACTLY in the way discussed here re alphabet etc, "do not ye pretend to tell the user how to display data".
mircea_popescu: trinque there's two layers here. layer 1 : there's a lot of flexibility in letting it be rss ; i can have a rss reader read it for me rather than put all failure points in freenode-dns.
hanbot: i do have the old mod6 vtron, i'll look @ new, ty asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ( iirc mod6 introduced a check in a recent edition of his vtron, but possible that hanbot has the old one ? )
trinque: mircea_popescu: depends on "web" I should've said. I'd sooner skip the RSS feed part and have the bot directly message folks when interesting things happen. the usefulness of this is blunted by the fact that currently gossipd is implemented by gpg-paste.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-03-26 01:41 mircea_popescu: incidentally, "every shop must have a website (with ssl everywhere!!!)" and "every customer must have a loyalty card" trends of useless nonsense somehow haven't converged to the most basic sanity of, "give us your rsa pubkey, then download your data from our website whenever you want to, just go to shop.com/yourname"
mircea_popescu: trinque could the deedbot be strengthened with a) a rss page on the site, along the lines of http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-26#319646 ; whereby i can visit http://deedbot.org/6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452/feed where all items of interest (incoming payments and invoices as well as deeds signed by me) are announced (as rsa encrypted to my key items) ?
BingoBoingo: Right, nothing's a sure thing. Pantsuit is eating their Facebook of all things. US politics is getting deliciously weird on the way to the flush.
mircea_popescu: depends how the campaign goes. but if people turn out to actually give a shit about "stood up in arms to federal govt and won", heck, he's got it.
BingoBoingo: Nevada is small except for the part where it holds vegas... Very winnable.
BingoBoingo: The best part is this isn't even the photogenic brother. This is the one whose face got run over by a car and droops. But yes he can win.
mircea_popescu: that country's a whole other level of comedy gold.
BingoBoingo: 250 signatures is the bar for getting his name printed on the ballot. Bring da sutures for da pantsuit buttleakx
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: fixed, ty. i'll get to the multiple-links thing later
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-snows-of-ten-years-ago-almost/ << Trilema - The snows of ten years ago (almost)
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-03-27 07:13 mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-11-03 12:31 asciilifeform: i still dun fully grasp the middle kingdom's 'feed the enemy until he dies of old age' philosophy, so cannot comment
a111: Logged on 2018-03-26 14:22 mircea_popescu: re http://trilema.com/2018/the-rivers-of-blood-article-or-the-lordship-list-fifth-year/ << spyked ave1 do you even want to be l1'd ?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-11-03 12:31 asciilifeform: i still dun fully grasp the middle kingdom's 'feed the enemy until he dies of old age' philosophy, so cannot comment
mircea_popescu: i would suppose this is why http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-11-3#232863 ; and apparently it fucking works, too. maybe if they get bored enough they'll self-vacupack and http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-11-8#235412
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-03-26 15:36 mircea_popescu: somehow, notwithstanding how san fernando valley dominated hollywood for half of the 80s and most of the 90s, the mpaa still reflects "the movie industry" views of state st, rather than either hollywood or porn valley.
mircea_popescu: and in other postmodern wonders, where japanese pixels meet http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-26#319805 ; or self-resolving inadequacy : https://chastityandcensorship.tumblr.com/
ben_vulpes: another delightful play date with little georgie open soros
ben_vulpes: > Fix .asd files so they work well with ASDF 3.3
ben_vulpes: in other news, i think that fare broke the "simple-date" behavior in the cl "postmodern" postgresql client library
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i suppose the thing to do is invoice once with a link to the deeded linen items
mircea_popescu: you know you should probably consolidate invoices, it'\s a pain in the ass to pay the same person 3 or n times in the same day/week
a111: Logged on 2018-03-26 14:22 mircea_popescu: re http://trilema.com/2018/the-rivers-of-blood-article-or-the-lordship-list-fifth-year/ << spyked ave1 do you even want to be l1'd ?
mircea_popescu: but this is a fundamental part of the security model.
douchebag: Alright, is the !!subscribe function working currently?
mircea_popescu: i taught her a lesson in handicapping of magnificent splendour rarely seen : halfway through last quarter, the score being 80 (to 40 something) i asked her whether they clear 94. no way. she bet me, and well...
mircea_popescu: in other proceedings, i met hanbot for drinks at the blue marlin (local brothel), where we watched teen hussies duke it out. literally : uconn beat the shit out of south carolina (all black girls, for maximum lulz. a tall lanky one even cried!).
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And we are solidly in autumn temperatures. Short sleeves are fine during the day, jacket may be desirable at night. The wind is starting to get a little bit of bite.
phf: i took a long walk over sf hills, and wanted to take an ocean dip at the end, but the last 15km on the way to the ocean were on flats, with a piercing cold wind. i was cold wearing a shirt and a sweater, so no swimming, but still it was a pleasant walk. there's really nothing bad to say about the weather here.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-26#1789697 << not as hot as palm springs (which is full blown summer at this point), but basically spring. it was raining last week, but right now it's a shirt weather. if you're close to the ocean, then it's blowing cold wind. what i'm trying to say is that the weather is excellent, and i'm loathing going back to the swamps.
BingoBoingo: From about 1800 through 1880 there's some interesting history in this region. And then the Italians came.
BingoBoingo: And when the US was having its civil war Brasil, Argentina, and Uruguay went into Paraguay and fucked their shit up as a bonding experience.
BingoBoingo: They have a fairly important river, but more like the Mississippi and less of a wide "is this a river or sea" thing like the Rio de la Plata
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( anybody been to para- ? what's it like ? ) << From what I hear much hotter and poorer. It is the lawless land where Uruguayos go for cheap vacations.
mircea_popescu: data is backup-ed. as to when back online... well... talk to these people.
mircea_popescu: lobbes ima put it in the mar report ; but the short story is, server i supposedly bought in feb still not here by late march, minigame dun have a server now.
asciilifeform: rather than para-
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously. Their dominance of the vehicle market here is astounding. Yumbo, Baccio, Geely. And so damn many polleritas (underbone motorcycles)
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/there-has-not-yet-been-seen-a-simple-thing-even-if-were-drowning-in-simple-people/
asciilifeform: according to these monkeys
BingoBoingo: After more time and more seen in the wild, Ah, the chicoms SELL these things here already configured thusly
BingoBoingo: Hey, I was shocked when I found out the Yumbo Cargo is a factory model and not a local hack http://archive.is/nJ1ML
asciilifeform: the new Official truth was already being enacted.
asciilifeform: phunphakt, even decade++ ago, asciilifeform nearly came to blows with pantsuit-professor over elementary fact that some languages considerably less expressive, esp in re civilized approach to philosophy, than others
asciilifeform: eng. linguists used to call 'lcd language' , a 'pidgin' ( not to be confused with the homophonic bird ) , but iirc this term is now pantsuit-verboten
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> amusingly, lcd languages forced by the needs of commerce end up ~same. << This heruistic collapses neatly to the English language used locally, strictly the subset needed by Brasileros and Uruguayos to do commerce.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, lcd languages forced by the needs of commerce end up ~same.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they just like it for the usual exam-taking reasons, it's possibly the least different from english thing out there.
asciilifeform: how come nobody signs up to learn, say, igbo, native tongue of the illustrious prince419mbwembwembwe...
BingoBoingo: That's kinda what I understand Dominican Spanish to be. I kind of have an overview of Immigration to Uruguay post half baked in my head. Need to sit down and shove it through the keyboard.
mircea_popescu: more like the east azn english pigdins
mircea_popescu: that's the other thing : if they're so fucking enamoured with it, why the fuck are they torturing it with latin notation ?!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo kinda arabic-lite, for the 80iq-ish folk.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> swahili isn't one of them. << Swahili's the one Soviet allies in US academia were directed to, likely because not a language
mircea_popescu: swahili isn't one of them.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck are all the wiggers so enamoured with swahili anyway ? there's actual languages in africa.
BingoBoingo: ^ Ah, bonus I didn't notice until pasting the text. Author's name is PATEL!!! A wild PREEET
mircea_popescu: all that carefully crafted tower of narcisism and self-absorbtion (they prefer to call it "intellectual property")! how cruel and unfair that the world doesn't give a damn!
BingoBoingo: did that for me too, short of it is loser kid bothered that high achieving black kid wanted nothing to do with his movement
BingoBoingo: In other pantsuit failures "I wanted to tear my hair out. HOW CAN YOUR RACE NOT BE THE BIGGEST PART OF WHO YOU ARE, I wanted to scream. DO YOU NOT KNOW YOUR HISTORY? WHY WILL YOU NOT LET ME TEACH YOU?" >> "Would it have been different if I was black rather than brown?"
mircea_popescu: "discovering they never owned"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's the rock band of the guys who survived the moslem concert massacre in paris
BingoBoingo: And so that it is entered into the record, Killer Mike is a rapper beloved by black people and nearly unknown by the category of people who consider themselves "cucked white allies"
BingoBoingo: A couple other typos spotted an killed
mircea_popescu: so much win. nice to have the herald around again!\
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform but the most pantsuit part of this story is what they left out. WHERE is it teleported TO ? does the ship leave droppings, like mice ? << To the kitchen naturally, recycling
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-26#1789695 << Speaking of, Peru sounds very promising for Gringos who like their girls short
asciilifeform: iirc orig one was 'to find fuckable green humanoids' or the like
mircea_popescu: if so, why even bother with travel at all.
asciilifeform: would have to ask an aficionado. but iirc the notion was, they sort the atoms by element and stack up for... kitchen
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-02-14 14:18 mircea_popescu: MEANWHILE, however, they have 100% unaccounted for the time externality. so basically it's a contest consisting of a guy without legs going about finding fault with people's fingers. because he's decided "legs don't count", and so as he has much better hands than the rest of those losers he should be captain of the football team.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the most pantsuit part of this story is what they left out. WHERE is it teleported TO ? does the ship leave droppings, like mice ?
asciilifeform: how else can there ever even be any empire. ( yer skin cells can't feed themselves outside of the skin either )
mircea_popescu: i expect it's where it's headed. already produced vast herds of dependent idiots who 100% couldn't feed self without the empire.
asciilifeform: but the basic idea.
mircea_popescu: lmao why wait for the shitting, why not selectively teleport out of colon ?
asciilifeform: and there is something very harvardian about it.
asciilifeform: re 'bostonism of star trek', i recall reading that it is ~officially~ a plot point, that the starship had no toilet. erryone shits in pants, and it is teleported out. this is automatically what i think of when hear 'star trek'
mircea_popescu: much like in the case of say showgirls, the pantsuit "public oppinion" panned the wicked lady, speaking of course with the usual pretense of ex-cathedra "everyone agrees" and http://trilema.com/2018/memoranda-of-congress/#selection-159.15-161.0 nonsense. nevertheless it's an infinitely better movie than all the retarded crap they gush over. i'd take it every time over crap like "mandy" (aka "clash of silence", the 1952 waste
mircea_popescu: (meanwhile, because the republic's better than the empire : http://videocelebs.net/marina-sirtis-nude-glynis-barber-nude-faye-dunaway-nude-lisa-mulidore-nude-the-wicked-lady-1983.html )
mircea_popescu: anyway. if there ever is to be any progress, boston is to be cleaved from its support structures.
mircea_popescu: which is how come a) "oh, we have the dumb flickering plastic from star trek!!!" is somehow supposed to be a pillar of faith supporting the pantsuit money printing press ; while b) nobody fucking notices that the ~only item of any value whatsoever in the whole franchise was marina sirtis' ass, and they still don't get to see that, much like there's no jane russell porn.
mircea_popescu: anyway. boston managed to make "the defining question" be "what does america want to see ?" and then managed to convince the midwest that what california people think is hip is bostonolade ; then took those numbers and showed california that "what america wants to see!!" is bostonolade.
mircea_popescu: the x-men chick... jesus.
mircea_popescu: then there's that heyman faggot with the harry potter crapolade... there's seriously not a fucking human being among them.
mircea_popescu: (and they're complete pushovers, too -- take neal moritz adopting the vin diesel look for chrissakes. these are people ?!)
mircea_popescu: and on it goes, that's about 10bn there.
mircea_popescu: #3 is do i need to go on ? bruckheimer, the fucktard behind pirates of the whatever. at least he's an alcoholic.
mircea_popescu: #2 is kathleen kennedy. soccer mom of the star wars.
mircea_popescu: just look at the top gross, it's a fine indicator. #1 is kevin feige. iron man and urolagnia of the sort.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is there a detectable ideological line in the producer purges ? what did e.g. weinstein make , and what is his 'replacement' making ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, they're already there. have been, for decade+. you should see the shitheads doing the "mega franchises", jesus fuck i wouldn't have the misery in my house.
mircea_popescu: imagine the absurdity, a producer losing his job for fucking women unasked!
asciilifeform: the entertaining part will be act-2 of that play
mircea_popescu: somehow, notwithstanding how san fernando valley dominated hollywood for half of the 80s and most of the 90s, the mpaa still reflects "the movie industry" views of state st, rather than either hollywood or porn valley.
mircea_popescu: yet consider something like http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-26#319650 : who would you say came up with "startrek folk wear pantsuits LIKE THIS" ? it's 100% a boston notion of the world and people in it.
mircea_popescu: (obviously i was using a metaphore, i don't actually do the watching as such.)
mircea_popescu: but i have no faith in the process.
mircea_popescu: the principle is not without merit. if you convert sufficient gb of firefox cache into avi and watch them, eventually you end up with something that convincingly argues to you it's a clue.
mircea_popescu: you recall our discussion re the mechanical dragonfly, and how you proposed the eye may simply have a low pass filter find the flies ?
asciilifeform: but admittedly i only have naked eye observation. i have not the first notion re what they dream.
asciilifeform: all i know is where their 'mecca', for king and slave alike, seems to be -- not in the frozen old puritanistan , but in sf
mircea_popescu: i've yet to meet any of the us aspie class who aren't firmly head-based on state st.
asciilifeform: afaik mit is already hollowed out by termites; observe that google/palantir/rest of the squid are not based in 'media lab' but in the west.
asciilifeform: right, but they did make a switch from 'salvation through prayer' to 'salvation through wunderwaffen'. and these are, nominally, made in svistan
mircea_popescu: whole ideology was altogether vehehery boston methodist.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, it's a complex matter. but my read on the whole shebang was "hey, californian dumb beach babes, this is what's good and proper, isn't it what you believe ?" "duh".
asciilifeform: somehow i thought they moved it west, like su moved capital to moscow from peterburg
asciilifeform: somehow i never actually met the 'troo believers', only the cynical распил profiting folx
mircea_popescu: there was a time, a decade or two, when pantsuit actually thought the kingdom of their father's upon us. remember that ?
mircea_popescu: that whole 2000s pantsuit "hopes and dreams" pie in the sky / end of history scenario took the bath of all time, and it ain't ever coming back.
mircea_popescu: anyway, whole point of the idiocy was "JUST LIEK STARTREK!!!" cachet.
asciilifeform: and 'dead' is not quite how i'd describe a thing that's mostly replaced the actual comp for all of luserdom
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unsurprising, considering the ~complete disappearance of pnoje iron where luser could load own soft
mircea_popescu: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/ubuntu-unity-is-dead-desktop-will-switch-back-to-gnome-next-year/ << apparently even the dumbest of the dumb have known (for a year!) that "tablets" are ~dead and phones are going back to nintendo.
asciilifeform: recall the gc discussion . 'scripting lang is one where progy dun live long enuff to need gc'
mircea_popescu: should be a pretty decent uni application / tech employment interview question. "explain the difference between bash and perl."
asciilifeform: dun free() either
mircea_popescu: what the fuck could a browser do with gb's worth of "cache", system has a swap. what's the swap for, so that redditards reimplement the fs in js ?
mircea_popescu considers converting it to avi and just watching the five hours' worth.
mircea_popescu: aaand in other batshit, i am dissecting this system whose .mozilla directory is... 1.7GB. THREE CDS. what the fuck intricacy of prophylactic detail could possibly be stored there!
mircea_popescu: re http://trilema.com/2018/the-rivers-of-blood-article-or-the-lordship-list-fifth-year/ << spyked ave1 do you even want to be l1'd ?
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if a preoccupation with the self becomes an escapist technique to deal with frustration borne of lack of experience.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-21 01:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but in the same vein of "hard problems, if you're new here", you know the two trains and fly one im sure
mircea_popescu has seen these two, (a preoccupation with subjective mental acuity, "iq" and "energization" etc) and (complete inadherence to trivial problems, a la http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-21#930269 ) so often and repeatedly they really seem the same item.
mircea_popescu: https://steemit.com/introducemyself/@anonymint/introspection-interlude << in other bizarre. maybe someone point out to the dude that there's a 2 and a 5 in any 10, and since the 5 is in short supply n! will have one zero for each 5, two for each 25 and 3 for each 625, meaning 1000! will have 200 + 80 + 1.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-19 15:38 asciilifeform discovered '2g shutdown'(tm)(r) the hard way -- fallback modem quit working.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-19#1788278 << i've discovered similar, my 3g phone barely has signal and doesn't last more than a day in san francisco. presumably because the number of 3g supporting towers is significantly lower here
mircea_popescu: well that tears it then.
hanbot: and i'm not even in the us.
mircea_popescu: anything BUT the useful. what "united states", call it grandstanding pointlessness and be done.
mircea_popescu: cuz that's how fucking decadence goes, you get to the "dozen girls hanging from the light fixture" WAY WAY WAAAAY before you get to topless.
mircea_popescu: i rewatched gents prefer blondes, earlier. it's "holywood takes out all stops", but amusingly in their quest for "over the top decadence" and other delicious salamis, they have uberdressed girls tied to a spurious spinning chandelier RATHER THAN taking anyone's top off.
mircea_popescu: how is it, that they'll go to all the trouble but only just as long as it's not doing anything useful ?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, "every shop must have a website (with ssl everywhere!!!)" and "every customer must have a loyalty card" trends of useless nonsense somehow haven't converged to the most basic sanity of, "give us your rsa pubkey, then download your data from our website whenever you want to, just go to shop.com/yourname"
hanbot: alphapaininthebuttical.
mircea_popescu: is it at least ascii alphabetical, or do they do javaturd unicode alphabetical ?
hanbot: my grocer moved from listing things on receipt by their order on conveyor (which i diligently sort so i can do weekly accounting at a sane rate) to alphabetical. in other seemingly miniscule things that end up being completely maddening. 10 mins ---> 30 mins + neckache, fuxory.
phf: asciilifeform: replied http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-vpatch/#comment-23 << http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-vpatch/#comment-24
phf: but i'm not sure the added complexity improves anything, until we go full chuck moore with a pervasive custom encoding scheme on a system level.
mircea_popescu: letters-numbers-everythingelse seems logical-er, given that you want to extend the list, if at all, towards the end
phf: err, the ordering of 1A+~? is +1?A~
phf: yeah, we settled on a pragmatic "sort it as ASCII", which works for me, but i need to think about it some more, and at least do a write up on the subject. i mean, ascii has some funny properties, like some symbols come before numbers, some after numbers, and yet some more after letters, e.g. the ordering of 1A+~? is +1A?~
a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 18:03 mircea_popescu: also fucking terrible comments interface you got there ; how do i know how many there are ? before clicking on the article ; and how do i visually separate them, and why aren';t they numbered and so on.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787318 << http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-genesis/#footnote_3_36 footnote 4
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787317 << дневник as typed with jcuken but on a qwerty layout. it's an old derogatory runet term for diary writing, but in this case it's the default category i use that i forgot to change
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, cheers! and I'm glad ave1 asked this actually, as it strikes me as a point where a reader would hurry in to "optimise" the code potentially
mircea_popescu supports the principle espoused.
phf: hanbot: note that http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-vpatch/#selection-147.0-192.0 i'm going to fix it by wednesday, but if you can give me an unsigned rough draft of a keccak mp-wp.vpatch before then, i'll be able to use it as a test
hanbot: no reason i know of that i can't revert though. alright, glad this came up now, then.
mircea_popescu: follow the mainline. whole fucking point is to move vpatching to keccak mechanism. don't genesis on the old style why would you.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-05 18:24 phf: the release have been branched, and you press to two different heads if you want a sha or keccak version, but specifically for hanbot's purposes, sha vdiff is available, with the "no newline" issue fixed, as per http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak/#selection-95.221-99.40
mircea_popescu: hanbot why would you follow the dead branch i don't get it ?
hanbot: the non-keccack new differ, yeah
phf: hanbot: are you using the new differ to produce this?
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-18#1788161 << sadly i have to scratch this; i have a genesis file but testing etc is waiting on having a site again. i let some shit into my wine with the nfs choice, and moreover i should've jumped on them the moment shitpay's final coffin nail was discussed here. apologies to anyone waiting on it --s'not forgotten, but it will be late.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-13 19:11 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-13#1787748 << just about, yes. i wanted a model file so we have something to play with and the original concept was to have phf include it in his v tree of his v rewrite because it seemed the first item that's coming out at the time from l1 hands ; but if it's holding you back re tmsr-portage, go ahead and make the sample yourself and we'll see how it works.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-13#1787751 << oh duh, missed opportunity. i thought the idea was to integrate trinque's design into code where appropriate, but it makes sense that i could've just used the design for my release.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-23#1789396 << i already fixed it, but took longer than usual because there was a new issue, i haven't seen before. when bot recovers, it asks additional sources for missed messages, which uses timestamp amongst other things for fuzzy merge. the drift between servers exceeded the hardcoded 15s, so the merge was failing out on asserts. goes back to the ntp threads
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-03-25 12:31 esthlos: mircea_popescu: is there a list of supported html tags for comments on trilema?
esthlos: mircea_popescu: is there a list of supported html tags for comments on trilema?
mircea_popescu: in other tales from the cave of noir, "big combo" is almost just as nonsensical as "his kind of woman". the sheer pile of nonsense in these things, jesus christ. NOTHING works.
BingoBoingo: In other blows to pantsuitism https://pitchfork.com/news/killer-mike-defends-gun-ownership-in-new-nra-video/ https://archive.is/mj6xL
mircea_popescu: that * http://trilema.com/2016/to-be-clear-hillary-clinton-lost-the-presidential-election-on-june-16th-2016/ ; don't believe trilema #toxicfax #fakeboobs".
mircea_popescu has been quite enjoying the whole "scandal" whereby "it was really facebook (dobulespoken as "rogue" "market research" firm) thatr