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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: check my understanding of a thing please: if apache runs its own php pool, then user-level cgroups won't affect how much ram apache eats while serving a user's php, right?
ben_vulpes: heh freenode webchat doesn't use ssl omfg!
ben_vulpes: on a scale of useless bullshit to practical for republican shared hosting, how useless are cgroups?
ben_vulpes: also lol good footer
ben_vulpes: Mocky: why's that ada article not on the homepage of yer blog?
ben_vulpes: ya great softy
ben_vulpes: later mod6
ben_vulpes: !!v E8314E9D628E6F35170D8D517C534BED72FB92C4D3DB073F929475394C4B6908
ben_vulpes: dooooon't care, just stoppit. spend more time watching and listening and learning the cultural norms and if you're going to deliberately not follow them then i'm interested in your good reason per http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-23#361418
ben_vulpes: which i can't even fathom dude because wtf you're willing to clutter up the logs with line after line of key noise and then otoh...screenshots
ben_vulpes: douchebag: yeah i'll drop the neg but you gotta work on picking up how shit works around here. the list of annoying crap you do is unenumerable but the two things that drive me personally up a wall are eg http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-23#361197 and then also posting screenshots of text
ben_vulpes: ahahaha oh man i just reread my douchebag rating
ben_vulpes: i read the logs, saw your ping.
ben_vulpes: not hassle me while i chew through my whiteboard
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i am enjoying this pace!
ben_vulpes: well he wasn't pimping, they were chained
ben_vulpes: i'm planning to die on stage soon, this is good practice.
ben_vulpes: the ho's are the pennies, the broker the redditard, mircea_popescu the pighead
ben_vulpes: he wondered why the girlies walked to the station and didn't shoot the redditard
ben_vulpes: cap de porc
ben_vulpes: not just wonder why the pennies are walking to the station?!
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1738849 << i had entirely forgotten this, ty mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: fertile ground tho, no telling where the conversation might go.
ben_vulpes: trinque: this, i press. and for reason.
ben_vulpes: did intel cast shade upon wu-firing localbitcoins accounts?
ben_vulpes: i don't have notes on this, he may contradict, but that is my memory.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: objected to walking two grand usd over the the dc; shit was busy at the time and i didn't press.
ben_vulpes: there's your 15 bucks of overhead for interacting with the fiat banking system.
ben_vulpes: no clawbacks on the wu
ben_vulpes: albeit one to western union for reasons of tax bracket.
ben_vulpes: yes they are possible, and to date have been firing in tandem
ben_vulpes: now now, i dislike the extra wire fees and coordination overhead trinque .
ben_vulpes: novel!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and then dc pays bingo his food allotment in cash from the extra?
ben_vulpes: iirc the stumbling block to a single transaction is that we want to avoid pushing BingoBoingo's local account over the minimum tax line. with i think the local equiv. of an llc BingoBoingo can receive money and it won't count as his income until it hits his account.
ben_vulpes: needs a wire and a WU-gram; and speaking of, BingoBoingo anything to report on the .uy corp formation front?
ben_vulpes: trinque: it's about 5kusd/mo, will go up somewhat in the near future
ben_vulpes: "But the positive feedback since the Golden State Killer case convinced her to make the plunge."
ben_vulpes: yes but the "unsure if i should do this until people cheered for me" bit was lulzy
ben_vulpes: unrelated, "She had initially hesitated to work on criminal cases because she was unsure of legal and ethical issues, especially if people uploading their DNA to GEDmatch were unaware police were trawling through the database." https://archive.is/6zrLD#selection-1651.70-1651.284
ben_vulpes: ohoh thescourge
ben_vulpes: doesn't ring much of a bell
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you recall which one this was?
ben_vulpes: thanks, mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: hassel -> hassle
ben_vulpes: aight great, i'm going to get to work on marketing matls/landing page today
ben_vulpes: not urgent by any means, possibly even a good switch-cover.
ben_vulpes: yeah, that's in the double checking routine
ben_vulpes: trinque: it would be nice on my nerves and doublecheckment routines if pay-invoice OTPs had invoice memo and amount
ben_vulpes: stand by to slow down
ben_vulpes: neato
ben_vulpes: lobbes: shared shell alone, i haven't examined the implications of this scheme for rockchips yet
ben_vulpes: this incentivizes the hunt for long term customers
ben_vulpes: and yes, of the affiliate's recruited set, not of all customers.
ben_vulpes: lobbes: for so long as a customer is paying pizarro is the intention
ben_vulpes: lobbes, BingoBoingo: thoughts re ^?
ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform: a sales incentive scheme proposal: we kick back 5% of revenue to affiliates who've recruited up to 10 paying customers, 10% up to 25 paying customers, 15% to 50 customers and then 20% for recruiting over 50 customers, which'd be a tidy .03 btc/mo, way better than any other "while you sleep" scheme out there.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i await a transaction to clear through deedbot, then i shall settle your invoices
ben_vulpes: that is what i am trying to say
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it doesn't make sense to put delicate items acquired with much suffering like BingoBoingo's cedula immediately into the statists hopper (localbitcoins demands "an ID" to post ads), when one can pick from the sale offers and operate on the side of the transaction where id is not asked for
ben_vulpes: even some of the baisc ones.
ben_vulpes: ah shoot, thank you. the finer points have slipped away.
ben_vulpes: fettiffany: are folks buying/selling bitcoins and dollars? how are folks defending against the inflation
ben_vulpes: porque no te gustas maduro?
ben_vulpes: funny how deeply the actual people notionally represented by the soi disant speakers for the people hate said speakers
ben_vulpes: what do you think of it?
ben_vulpes: fettiffany: here's some more context http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt
ben_vulpes: ty BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: !!down douchebag_junior
ben_vulpes: gpg is too haaaard!" replacement
ben_vulpes: marlinspike / rosenfield 's "
ben_vulpes: https://thehackernews.com/2018/05/signal-desktop-hacking.html << "because the developers used a function literally called 'dangerouslySetInnerHTML' that doesn't escape HTML"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: a guess at what storage a 10 dollar/mo plan might be reasonably marketed at, informed by scrolling through a few pages of shared hosting offers and looking at a few in detail
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-18#358110 << 100 accounts at 10gb, leaves 35 gb for l1/2 shell users on a 1.7 tb machine
ben_vulpes: are there other things besides wordpress that fit the bill for this kind of thing?
ben_vulpes: i can see it opening up the altcoinist scam market for least-effort websites
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-18#358067 << this is something like "a wordpress and you're welcome"?
ben_vulpes: i disqualified some others for ~zero activity in the past two years, but haven't ruled out hostsearch or warriorforum yet
ben_vulpes: great, i mentioned hostingdiscussion.com , webhostingtalk.com, forums.hostsearch.com to you, also warriorforum.com from mircea_popescu's mentions once upon a time. i'll dig up some others as well.
ben_vulpes: true of everything in this world
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you are now going to go and start canvassing apartments pricing concretely, yes?
ben_vulpes: expenses and would be willing to put down a half btc incentive if we hit that. i'm also considering that the apartment rental is going to be maybe 20% more expensive than the combined cowork and bunk, and propose moving some of the end-of-year incentive forward in time to pay for that.
ben_vulpes: yeah, it's fuckin tricky, though. i'm trying to estimate what could reasonably be packed into uy1 from a shared shell and ftp perspective, but i think 20 shell accounts and 100 lower-end ftp-only accounts is probably the max that box can carry without overbooking it, and if we can get to that point within a year i'll be pleased as punch, as it'll cover a significant fraction of the whole pizarro operation's
ben_vulpes: plus table, chairs, bed, cutlery, hot water heater?
ben_vulpes: so that's some 800/mo at the bare minimum; an upfront of around 4.8k at that rate
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: help me enumerate these costs?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: there are not insignificant upfront costs iirc
ben_vulpes: gotta figure a) whether the apartment thing is crazy for some reason i don't understand b) structure for next years incentive
ben_vulpes: mod6: haven't settled on next year's incentive payment yet
ben_vulpes: mod6: i
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: am i crazy in trying to push for an apartment for you?
ben_vulpes: sure.
ben_vulpes: sure, but i'm talking about quality of existence here. own place to shit, own food prep area, not having to constantly piss on preferred chairs. it buys security for effects, and calm of mind that i think BingoBoingo underestimates (unless he is a very different animal from what i imagine)
ben_vulpes: you've astonishing will to keep yourself together around the addicts but i worry about the cost of keeping clenched constantly
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: would own quarters move the needle significantly on morale?
ben_vulpes: i'd rather pay increased living costs either as a flat fee to get into the apartment or monthly on the rental so that you can cook for yourself and get off the street food
ben_vulpes: yeah in re the apartment, BingoBoingo you want to live in the dorms forever or why wasn't that in your ask
ben_vulpes: you want flexibility on the thing he's most insistent on, i'm crunching numbers on an incentive program, so he's leaning on you to make up the difference in the second axis.
ben_vulpes: mod6: he wants, reasonably, a counteroffer on all three axes.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: wouldja be willing to take an incentive payment next may gated on helping me filter the ocean for shared shell customers?
ben_vulpes: mk then
ben_vulpes: mod6: doesn't really make a difference to the books, a liability is a liability. it's going to show up on the balance sheet regardless.
ben_vulpes: mod6: "lump sum of BTC equivalent to 7500 usd", so no conversion necessary
ben_vulpes: what is the difference?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: pretty much what i'm driving at
ben_vulpes: so seems like ftp for l2 heathens, and shell for known l2 and heathens who bathe/stick around for a while and get friendly is a plausible perforation
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: can you elaborate on "time the box"? leaking of user passwords by timing sidechannel?
ben_vulpes: i had nfi linux user isolation was actually completely broken.
ben_vulpes: how the fuck am i to meaningfully sell shared shells on this thing then, if anyone who pays for a month can get in and wreck everyone else on it.
ben_vulpes: does this extend to ftp users as well?
ben_vulpes: a few weeks of sweat to get root?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: so even user-level isolation is a lie on linux?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: can you tell me what kind of bad behavior can be monitored for and how much of a pain it is to set up?
ben_vulpes appends to whiteboard
ben_vulpes: lobbes, and BingoBoingo while i'm at it since i want to get you on the same train, what kind of commission makes sense to you for flogging shared shells?
ben_vulpes: noted, is obvious when put so.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i recall
ben_vulpes: hostingdiscussion.com at least has a user-enumerable db, but i don't know if an automated approach would get pizarro blacklisted, or even if we care, right? can make another account and pick up where left off.
ben_vulpes: or a mircea_popescu fetlife-style automated PMer to do the outbound
ben_vulpes: the active filtering i'd like to put in is either a regular set of eyeballs (BingoBoingo's, or the mentioned-tangentially sales guy to hire) on the "design" corners of these hosting forums to pm our ads for shells on the shared server to folks who are building websites directly
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it is. i have neglected sales and putting BingoBoingo to work on that and conveying to him what he needs to know in order to do the shared hosting work that has until now landed on my plate. with the manual i published yesterday im now in a position to hand off new shared shell customers to him, and am looking at a list of hosting forums i put together for filtering over the past two days.
ben_vulpes: so to enloggify BingoBoingo's opening ask, that's ~1.9 btc let's call them bonuses and then another ~.7 btc in salary over the year (all at current rates), is that right?
ben_vulpes: this guide has some good chuckles: gotta denominate corporate accounts in local currency but all fees are denominated in usd for one
ben_vulpes: i think the liquidity is handled but i'll keep that in mind
ben_vulpes: will read
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: cedula gets you ability to open corporate bank accounts, i hope?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: looks like the uy corp is necessary for ips for the rockchips at the very least; and possibly recipient of wires from btc sales
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: do you know what the costs for establishing this corp in uy are? asciilifeform you still need another trip to .ro to finalize your corp?
ben_vulpes: and i recall that the driver for setting up either uycorp or some other foreigncorp is to get the liability for the dc contract off BingoBoingo's personal neck and onto an impersonal corporation, correct?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: won't a second uy corp just incur more taxes, and then more more taxes when it exceeds the low tax regime hole?
ben_vulpes: no, scans not a great idea. i would like to know what line over which blows you out of the low tax regime, some 20kusd per year do i recall correctly?
ben_vulpes: speaking of, BingoBoingo, now that you have the cedula, are you approaching the point where i can buy usd for wire into your local bank account?
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-17#357608 << since discarded notion of posting an ad on localbitcoins; but there are plenty of offers to pick from in the ~2.5-3% markup range.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-17#357607 << if this is in reference to my and BingoBoingo's warrants from the first month of operations, pizarro covers BingoBoingo's rent and fodder, and doesn't pay me at all; it is a trade of cash for equity.
ben_vulpes: anyways, keep highlighting where you think i'm dropping the ball and i'll work to not.
ben_vulpes: and yeah, it's school. we don't have those where i come from, so i have a lot of work to do.
ben_vulpes: i don't come here to not be disliked, i come and work because it's challenging, the people here make me think and work hard and don't soft-pedal critiques, and because there's no other ideological island out there that wouldn't be exile after the past four years.
ben_vulpes: republic even the tiniest shittiest beachhead,
ben_vulpes: look my greatest reservation in even taking this gig was that i've not really the know-how, and would be performing poorly in public the whole while. the much-maligned "learning on the job", not that i want in the slightest to 'fake it till i make it'. that by trying, i was more likely to get drummed out of the whole party for not doing a good job. and that's a cost i'm willing pay, i guess, if it builds the
ben_vulpes: i'm listening to your critiques and working to address them directly. if i'm such a drag, mod6 and asciilifeform should probably replace me
ben_vulpes: selling themselves more equity or not, i'm going to bring up paying BingoBoingo more since that's a pretty important point.
ben_vulpes: seems pretty obvious to me that i'm barely keeping my nose above water with just the mechanics of pushing this along. mod6 wants to talk about putting more money in, that's his perogative. i'm assuaging BingoBoingo on bus factor of maintaining the shared server tonight and trying to make sense of the web hosting forums to filter them per yesterday's chat. once mod6 and asciilifeform make a decision about
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, BingoBoingo asked for documentation on the UY1 shared hosting setup, and automation for same so i put this together: http://pizarroisp.net/newaccounts.txt asciilifeform mod6 pls to eyeball
ben_vulpes: i don't have a clear picture of how pricing these would work either. part of my concern with bonds is that for a largely fiat denominated operation, interest on a btc loan can murder you if the fiat/btc rate goes up significantly, and fiat incomes stay the same.
ben_vulpes: i'd prefer to have a bond mechanism in place.
ben_vulpes: so didja get to see her cult?
ben_vulpes: meuuuuh
ben_vulpes: what, you don't want facial brandings?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: how are you going to learn how to do it but by doing it
ben_vulpes: walk around with hat-in-hand, even to boston partizans
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform mod6: y'all have a timeline for this second round or are we going to leave it at "when necessary"? i prefer to capture commitments shortly after their made (none of this private equity "you commit twenty million today, we ask for it in three years and returns are evaluated on time from wire clearing to divestment date" silliness), and moreover having and not needing trumps needing and having to
ben_vulpes: good morning
ben_vulpes: pretty fine intro course
ben_vulpes: evening then
ben_vulpes: i'm running out of steam, will have to resume tomorrow unless mircea_popescu has pressing qs or comments
ben_vulpes: miserable problem. here's something more interesting, a documented estimate http://cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/rockchipestimates.org
ben_vulpes: quite possible, i'll look at some others tomorrow.
ben_vulpes: however 404's.
ben_vulpes: it tries to redirect to what the right url should be, though
ben_vulpes: i think that's correct
ben_vulpes: ah, pizarroisp.net
ben_vulpes: where is that?
ben_vulpes: correct
ben_vulpes: i have the permalink structure as /index.php/year/month/day , but when i switch it over to /year/month/day it 404's
ben_vulpes: well i got the rewrite, but can't get mpwp to serve at /y/m/d/post
ben_vulpes: so i guess that i have to then write a regex to capture all of the old /index.html/y/m/d/post, redirect 'em to /y/m/d/post
ben_vulpes: neato trinque
ben_vulpes: if any of the mpwpists in teh republic can lend a hand, i could really use it in getting urls that don't have index.php in them
ben_vulpes: i had this in i suppose a too-terse form the other day; shall document with words and links.
ben_vulpes tightens
ben_vulpes: sure, setting wrong expectations with scary large numbers has its own failure modes
ben_vulpes: unpleasant to run an estimate that comes out kind of marginal and watch hopesndreams go up in smoke as reality sets in
ben_vulpes: i'd rather see the price estimate go down as i tighten numerical accuracy than up; i've no desire to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6q4n5TQnpA
ben_vulpes: i'll rerun this all right now
ben_vulpes: i haven't updated the rc price since the pilot run, and that number assumed 1 transportation run per chassis since i'd not gotten the refutation of that number until just now.
ben_vulpes: conservative estimate
ben_vulpes: !W (+ (* 112 96) (* 4 1000) 2500)
ben_vulpes: !!up candi_lustt
ben_vulpes: ~112 per RC, 2500 transpo, 1k for chassis, 4 chassis, 17,252
ben_vulpes: noted ty
ben_vulpes: ya reasonable, will answer on the next context switch
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and what, ship 'em onebyone?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what fraction of the plant do you figure should be equipped?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: those were running at a what 4x markup or something stiff last i saw?
ben_vulpes: scratch that; because we need fg i'm asking for 'em.
ben_vulpes: right right well knowing that we booughtcha out i'm asking for a quote hoping (since confirmed) that a new run was in the works or to get one underway
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: for the love of all that is holy i hope you mean "pizarro bought all teh extant fg" and not "all the fg that will ever be already are"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: nifty, keep me poasted
ben_vulpes: and yes asciilifeform mircea_popescu can i get a quote for 96 fg or 100 if that's a more convenient batch size?
ben_vulpes: so we can do an entire production run in one go. fuckin awesome.
ben_vulpes: well that's magnificent and the part i missed
ben_vulpes: i thought it was 24/chassis, 2u/chassis and (for some reason, obviously incorrect), 2 chassis per trip.
ben_vulpes: my mistaken misunderstanding that you could only do 2 chassis of RC plant is incorrect then, which is actually cool
ben_vulpes: i do, clearly!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: we're not shipping any more single servers down there until uy1 is gagging or l1 asks nicely
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ah i had some notion that you maxed out at 2 chassis, if we can do it in a single run that'd be great
ben_vulpes: in the meantime, i'll focus on a landing page, wading through the sea of omg that is webhosting forums and planning in detail how to filter the sea, and booting alternatives to extant l1folks for 10kusd btc sales
ben_vulpes: mod6: lemme finish
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-15#356068 << anyways, since there's cash on hand and building what i think are 2 trips worth of rockchip plant would get us more than clearing rent, imma push to get the next two plants into fab so that when the price inevitably dips we have a basis on which to capture http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1809922
ben_vulpes: seventeen lmfao i ain't seen more than 2 in a week in recent memory. far more irksome the raw advertisements from which i must sift actual and extremely rare bits of important mail.
ben_vulpes: one only needs the single return envelope...
ben_vulpes: why bother
ben_vulpes doesn't depreciate shredder blades on anything but the plastic; everything else gets packed into the prepaid return envelopes
ben_vulpes: far more interesting story than context-free bitchin about the spam imho
ben_vulpes: ah ty asciilifeform, the spare spleen where i keep anxiety thanks you
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-16#356583 << have you pulled the opt out lever and contend it doesn't work or have you not yet
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-15#355976 << if you're burning usd that shoulda been billed to the corp, pls to do so. otherwise, you're burning the usd to...get btc? i don't really understand the objection.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-16#356543 << i've got folks in-wot i've already pushing btc to over amazon; i'm pretty comfortable with orders in the range of 500-2000 usd; what i'm looking for are folks that want to eat on the order of 10kusd of btc every month or so, that's the comfortable headroom i'd like
ben_vulpes: yo BingoBoingo how about some scans of that hot cedula :P
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-15#356051 << ~2.75 BTC at ~current rates gets 4 chassis with 96 total rockchippen, includes 1 delivery run per chassis.
ben_vulpes: no this is incorrect. i am fighting a fire elsewhere right now, will be back as soon as i can.
ben_vulpes: i don't think it useless nothing as it will snip significant time off report generation. the pressure from the board is to forge forward with the rockchips, but if there's change to be eked from the shared hosting i should capture that as well, so thanks for the prodding.
ben_vulpes: logbot, i mean.
ben_vulpes: i'm going to do it in postgres; should be a lot easier to get php to do both the mysql for the pizarro mpwp and the postgres for deedbot than to port deedbot to mysql
ben_vulpes: mk, makin some progress on the pizarro accounting/assettracking db
ben_vulpes: esthlos: it is very useful to leave them around; the kb wasted in /tmp are negligible and useful in edge case failures
ben_vulpes: i will take this rebuke and mull it over with my kindleberger
ben_vulpes: perhaps i misunderstand, but when i think "securitized" i think "brent" and the forsakeofargument "bvulpes reserve-grade distillate", which anyone can produce from flower if their heads are screwed on with more than 2 threads
ben_vulpes: (imagine living with a foot in both worlds)
ben_vulpes: refinement and aggregation of physical items into fungible paper
ben_vulpes: pot at least has yet to achieve full starbuxxification; and that industrial value-extractor-from-american-moocows will want standardized, homogeneous psychoactive product to spray atop its flavor-of-the-week flower imitation
ben_vulpes: how theoretically wouldja securitize cryptography
ben_vulpes: characteristics of arbitrarium, hydrocarbon refinement byproducts of no more than your mom) are coming to further smear the soi-disant independent thinkers into precisely the same paste the megastate produces everywhere
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: granted, it's a single level of biorefinement, but it's a 'lithium' for the folks who refuse to take their ballas-prescribed sedatives, preferring for whatever reason, the "natural stuff". i'm not saying it's not a pink-sheet securitizable, but that standards for the commoditized (and inevitably, securitized) product (thus and such cbd, that and so thc, viscosities of whatever, optical
ben_vulpes: it'll take a decade but there will be a securitizable asset here, just like pork bellies. only nobody stateside even wants to contemplate the notion because it runs so contrary to their self delusions and delusions of special "girl scout cookie" product burn away
ben_vulpes: and so the bankers will call on margin again and again as the marktomarket value descends.
ben_vulpes: just, not at the prices the farmers want.
ben_vulpes: it's entirely saleable as an input to industrial processes in precisely the same manner as nicotine is sprayed on cigarettes
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