asciilifeform: hey trinque , what's the 'magic number' it oughta wait ?
asciilifeform realizes with some disappointment that most of today's pops will overflow the deedbot bucket; thing's eaten moar keyz in 20min than typically eats in 2days
mircea_popescu: and yes now it feels like it's an actual republican item rather than ductape-and-windoze press a key and go draw a bath.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lemme know if you find anything other than the stats page ( still O(N) for nao ) that's >1s to load.
mod6: The Exalted Great Lord Me etcetera You're too old for me, sorry. << lmao
asciilifeform: ty to trinque , phf , mircea_popescu , the folx who gave asciilifeform sqltronics hints.
asciilifeform: ( i have nfi whether anyone was holding out for the cured db; but will for the record note : the time -- has come. )
asciilifeform: i will note, in case it wasn't obvious earlier : folx who previously were refraining from linking phuctor somewhere on account of 'how could it take the heat' are nao invited to open the throttle.
trinque: I'll digest more and probably have more proposals for ya, but will get my hands into the code myself too, and we'll get a genesis of this put together.
trinque: not detracting from your having put in the work so far, glad to see a lisp V.
trinque: moving from printing to returning objects (recall, you can inform lisp ~how to print your objects at the repl) would be a huge improvement
esthlos: if you do so before friday, I can likely get a prototype by monday. otherwise it will be sometime the week after
trinque: the idea is to produce an item that implements the (sorely needed!) functionality correctly, and not as entertainment for one developer
trinque: thereby gaining what
esthlos: I was thinking of replacing the CLOS with records, or possibly just sexprs
trinque: you then take that item and make it read console args, print to screen, whatever
trinque: considering that there may be other lisp programs that want to use this as a dependency, it'd be really nice if instead of returning nils, printing strings, you returned a list of vpatch objects.
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall us discussing the matter of graphing and my saying "hang on, phf is about to write one then you can import it", but not worth spelunking for it right now.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-09 04:25 hanbot: phf et al: attempted to press latest vtools to the keccak head. v (mod6's) reports vtools_vpatch_newline not in flow, neither its antecedent vtools_fixes_static_tohex, despite both patches and (verified good) sigs present (they neither show up via flow command). v will press to vtools_vpatch.vpatch, but no further. see http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oNRhE/?raw=true .
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 14:28 mircea_popescu: esthlos it is not standard procedure ; the emerging consensus is to have a dedicated philosophy file which a) all patches must touch (by protocol) ; b) contains comments as to the patcher's state of mind and c) contains one line per patch uniquely identifying it, machine generated. the format's not fixed yet, but as phf is working on a new proper vdiff it's probably going to coalesce around a variant of whatever he uses.
mircea_popescu: esthlos, a) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774760 ; b) how does your item handle the original http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-09#1794417 problem ?
esthlos: I'm fairly beginner, don't know many of the useful functions
trinque: yeah, the lisp is a little green
esthlos: trinque: you can find my writeup at http://blog.esthlos.com/a-vtron/ . I recall you wanted to have the thing return sane data from ops instead of format barfage
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 16:29 mircea_popescu: but we have esthlos waited on a fix, and then there's whatever you were waiting to publish. so i'm guessing it'd have to be one of you.
mircea_popescu: just in case you're still belabouring under the misapprehension that the usg puppet show is a "field" with "experts" and whatnot, that is.
mircea_popescu: incidentally zx2c4 you familiar with all the phuctor work ? http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/ and all that ?
asciilifeform: the day aint far when the thing will be able to tell you , e.g., 'yer router is nsatronic', the minute you plug it in (i.e. realtime scan an' probe-against-db, no need to queue'em )
asciilifeform: ( the mixed-blessing of which will be to shorten the 'fuel tank' from 'months' to 'weeks' i suspect )
asciilifeform: later, i'ma add this to the eater
asciilifeform: ( how to test ? load e.g. various links from http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/2 , observe msec, rather than sec-halfminute as before, load times... )
mircea_popescu: unless you bother to actually find and edit the magic numbers and recompile, which is about on par with rewriting the damned thing.
mircea_popescu: "determination is orthogonal to correctness, elementarily" << fortunately, determination is not an elementary item, but can be further broken down and classified. there's the sort of determination resulting from narcissism, where it is simply fueled by the [perceived] cost of changing the other side, "what do you mean my model of sexuality and society is wrong, this'd mean i'd have to have a long talk with the woman in my hou
asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu , ben_vulpes , other sqlists..? ^
asciilifeform: trinque: turns out, phuctor www end spends ~80% of cpu cycles in sequential scan for modulus, because index refused to be created. ( and no, 'hash them' is not solution, phuctor gotta be able to store ANY set of moduli, and not merely e.g. 512bits of possible ones )
asciilifeform: hey trinque , is it possible to cleanly remove the 8191-byte limitation for indexed fields in postgresql ?
a111: Logged on 2014-08-25 03:08 asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: Sent 11 hours and 20 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> also were there errors to be rectified from b4 or anything ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 05:27 mircea_popescu: !Qlater tell bingoboingo also were there errors to be rectified from b4 or anything ?
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807523 << This evening I will run through the last several months reports to check for any outstanding issues
asciilifeform: trinque: determination is orthogonal to correctness, elementarily; and so i suspect that most folx's experience with inventors, should they have any, resembles this one, 'fella worked on perpetuum mobile under meth for 20yrs , then went broke, drank'
trinque: nah not in touch. told him he was among the worst leaders I'd ever labored under, and that was that.
asciilifeform: in the end died of vodka ?
trinque: postgres can serve up "materialized views" pretty damned fast; that's what would've been the caching solution, similar to what's done with webshits currently
asciilifeform: rright, i can picture this-much, but how did d00d's scheme get around the 'all-comers can make you spend 9000 cpu cycles whenever for the asking' problem.
trinque: nodes can also describe transformations from one schema to another, so your "post" table's cols map to mine via a given function
trinque: taking the simple case of a blog, node serves up a metadata endpoint that says "posts, comments, etc" and their structure. client can take suggestion from the server on how to display these, or can use whatever it likes on its end instead.
asciilifeform: i admit to a little curiosity re what 'turn into distributed db' meant ( can query it ? who supplies the 10^9000 cpu cycles ..? )
asciilifeform: trinque: was it the sql master d00d from old thread ?
trinque: it's amazing how much gabriel_laddel reminds me of an old boss. nearly drank himself to death, grand mission to turn the www into a distributed db. the obsessive ones like this only get un-stuck by the threat of death, which is why they try as they might to impose it upon themselves.
spyked agrees. and also wonders why the whole "cloaks are a privilege handed by fleanode staff" etc. still, uses the bit above for the time being and would have been odd to keep to himself.
mircea_popescu: managing yet-another-ad-hoc-dns... meh.
mircea_popescu: spyked, there's about 0 interest in importing nickserv behaviours as some kind of perpetual legacy.
spyked: from what I understood, he measured all of them by filming the keypress-to-screen latency with a high fps camera. though this begs the question of what even means "keypress registered" in case of software kbds. at least he put the touchscreens in another table.
asciilifeform: tho i wonder how he measured the bolix 3620; back when i had mine, it most certainly did not 'feel like' winblowz-levels of i/o lag
spyked: lobbes, in general nicks grouped under a user might inherit other properties (e.g. op privileges), but I'm not sure whether this has any utility for bots. I only used it as a very cheap way to get cloak for bots, though probably the correct approach would be to register a user per nick.
lobbes: I'll probably be splitting lobbesbot into several seperate bots over the coming months/year, so now I am curious
lobbes: Neato spyked. Though, I'll be honest, I don't think I've ever grouped nicks under a user via NickServ. Besides the cloaking, what other utility is there to grouping in this way?
spyked: I've added the "user" slot as a keyword argument to highlight optionality, but not sure whether this is the right way to go about it.
spyked: speaking of which; to all ircbot users: I have a patch proposal for ircbot (and possibly logbot). the problem: nickserv authentication makes a distinction between "nickname" and "user". this allows e.g. to group multiple irc bots (with different nicks) under a single username and cloak. so my proposal is to add a new *optional* "user" slot to ircbot and use it for auth instead of "nick" when available
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 16:25 phf: ight have time to sit down with v.pl before mid may. i can also just remove the right hand side of vtools for now, since this new complexity is coming from an experimental v graph anyway. i've no idea though if people are using a sha512 vtools in preference of awk vdiff / gnu patch.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1807007 <-- fwiw I've used the sha512 branch of vtools and will continue to until existing trees get reground with keccak.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 22:04 asciilifeform: ( and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560740 , and there was a particular link some time in past yr which i now cannot find, where someone actually went and ~measured~ the reaction time delay of msdos, various winblowz boxen from past 20yr, crapple, bolix, etc etc and found exactly what i'd expect him to find )
mircea_popescu: and even more complicated dirty mixes, whereby eg "the article -- new ; but the comments -- old, so we are serving a false imaginary situation that never could have existed irl!!!" is still... no harm done WHATSOEVER.
ben_vulpes: my attention is on the original phuctorgenic goal of "i don't care about your concurrency controls, gimme whatever's in the page ritenao!"
mircea_popescu: in the case of trilema, for instance, the db serving articles FROM YESTERDAY OR EARLIER ONLY, ie, 86400000000 microseconds old, is still 99% of the job done. cuz most of the time you're not even using it for "the latest", and even if there is a latest in any meaningful sense it's many millions / billions / trillions microseconds old anyway.
mircea_popescu: it's way the fuck better to ~serve~ even if the article is epsilon seconds "too old" than to hang while you update, or even fucking worse, reject the connection.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, consider the eminent case of apache serving mp-wp. the fact that at t1 i updated the article list and at t2 the db read the stale t0 version makes EXACTLY NO DIFFERENCE.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2016-12-30#76508 << i'm still wrapping my head around dirty reads and how database concurrency implementation strategies affect the possibility; here's a breadcrumb on the trail http://www.interdb.jp/pg/pgsql05.html
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !Qlater tell bingoboingo also were there errors to be rectified from b4 or anything ?
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-2#346916 << "On a system I'm testing on, in practice, the RNG just reads the DMI table and then, since the DMI table is way bigger than 64 bytes, immediately moves to crng_init==1 without using even a single sample of interrupt randomness."
mircea_popescu: the eastern/orthodox expression being "durerea-i ziditoare", ie, pain [builds] the kingdom of heaven
mircea_popescu: which is why ux is such a terrible field. it's caught in this fundamental tension, between moomoos "wanting" to stay moomoos on one hand, and "doctor, my eye hurts every time i take a sip of my coffee" on the other.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807501 << technically speaking, it's for everyone ; the problem is that for the average man intelligence amplification takes a shape very much indistinguishable from sheer pain.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the correct construction is that he simply doesn't know what's going on. aanyways.
ben_vulpes: i can have the software written, by devoted historians i train myself or who've built a relationship upon delivery and savvy over years of wot relationships
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: why would i give a shit when you seem dedicated to the penurious style that'll prevent you from ever delivering on the implications.
ben_vulpes: right. put another way, why are you so obsessed over this nominally-solved problem to such a degree that you'd deprive the republic of a capitalized sapper
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes okay, so where do fexpers stand? Can we do away with them given our SETF-editor & populated infodb?
ben_vulpes: these are tools of intelligence amplification, done correctly. users/eyeballs/hitcounters are *the* antipattern.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes what do we get out of populating the infodb with s-expression sources and editing with SETF rather than working through files?
ben_vulpes: and i get the appeal of visionary supermandom but dude upcycling craptops with a hilarious gentoonotalisp is very shy of that mark
ben_vulpes: there are three things to do: britneyize, lash yourself to another man's oar, or be the visionary superman
gabriel_laddel: But adali? BB? The old ex-mit-ai-lab guy I met who now just tutors kids in math & DOESNT EVEN TEACH THEM LISP?! Or the other ex-symbolics people?
asciilifeform: i mean, tbf, i haven't tried doing things via the gabriel_laddel way, of yet.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 04:28 gabriel_laddel: but no, they want to "be reasonable", "hold jobs", "have a place to stay", "not do hard drugs" and on and on it goes
ben_vulpes: flail in the dark on your own if you must.
gabriel_laddel: I'd rather sell crack/arms/precursors than milk moocows.
ben_vulpes: not in the work itself, innards of windows and "whitelabled mobile experiences" are only worthwhile insofar as they drain the beasts of their lifeblood
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: there is much enjoyment to be had in building great moocow milking machines
ben_vulpes: and the starkest, most bleak indictment of all, no great men to serve
ben_vulpes: because 'britneyization', the crushing drive to make everything as cheap, of as few and the cheapest atoms possible in order to sell it at the largest scale to the greatest number of people, because this is how socialism works: big tents, eyeballs, "hamburgers served", number of voters
ben_vulpes: they had no wot, gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: but no, they want to "be reasonable", "hold jobs", "have a place to stay", "not do hard drugs" and on and on it goes
gabriel_laddel: fuck patience. That attitude is why we don't have one now. If people had just generally been less of a bunch of complete girly-men at symbolics, or the MIT AI lab, or Franz, or or or we'd have something that's close enough to "troo lispm" for me, even if ascii would be unhappy about it.
ben_vulpes: which, make no mistake, is precisely what you're doing. pulling refuse from the usgstani fabrication pipeline and "oh dear sir or madam, this posey to spare your child from the plague i mean hailofbullets"
ben_vulpes: look i admire your determination but there's no leverage and no market anywhere to be seen; you could be patient, scraping down food credits and suffering now for what will be an entire IC two decades from now had ye the foresight to not waste your time picking rags
gabriel_laddel: *shrugs* I'm interested in the lispm. BTC is incidental. Interesting, but incidental. Have sold my absolutely-not-a-lispm in the past & plan to continue doing so in the future. Last time around I was homeless, couldn't get rides to meetups, no ebay account etc. This time around, not so much.
ben_vulpes: but rest easy meine freunde there is nothing easier in this world than ballooning your leverage and socking pennies away in btc
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: for poor fuxx like you and me there is only the trilemman 'plan for wealth'
asciilifeform: i suspect , the man himself did not know, had own dr.morrell
trinque: heh, at least that one admits the addiction
asciilifeform: 'Is there any way out for the majority of addicts who can't buy a boat and sail the Seven Seas?' << lulzy
gabriel_laddel: trinque: No. That was conditional on someone sending me medical resources. Turns out you can IV cocaine into spine & it will knock out all feeling from there down if you want to be mentally present during such an operation (somewhere in http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/e1920/nightmareofcocaine.htm ).
trinque: gabriel_laddel: did you ever post pics of the foot?
mircea_popescu: well here's to that getting fixed soon, then.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: Not starving, am just poor (for the time being).
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu lisp jobs exist for ~anyone who is willing to spend some time working for it. Sorta like northstar electronics & the dragonfly
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu I got a stopgap for the time being.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in "bringing the light" news, https://78.media.tumblr.com/ceca99de9986a0a1f54a2684718371cb/tumblr_nhu1gucsFu1qairwpo1_1280.jpg
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 00:59 gabriel_laddel: beetlejuice is suffering gainful employment writing java for the time being
mircea_popescu: i thought lisp stuff for money is the province of a few remainder whitebeards in usg.missiles grandfathered contracts.
mircea_popescu: o ? what are you working on these days
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 01:17 BigTexasBingo: !Q gabriel_laddel Seriously where the fuck are you. This land is Your land
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807262 < Not sure why the land of untouchable females & stoners would be "my land", but I'm doing the same thing I always do. Work. FFS, the _point_ of drugs is to be _more_ productive, or to _learn something new_.
ben_vulpes: hey gabriel_laddel now that you've got a job and everything, how about a bouncer on the pizarro shared host?
asciilifeform: mod6: see also the simpler example in the orig post , http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-March/000293.html .
mod6: I guess I need to noodle on this a while, and perhaps make a different example outside the context of trb.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-03 00:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems to me a correctly designed and properly implemented version of trinque 's original doodle, which he summarily described as "bundle all files together and hash"
mod6: I dunno, maybe i've forgotten the point of all of this.
asciilifeform: mno, 'crystal' is what i arbitrarily titled the tar-like format .
asciilifeform: if you display the thing in phf's viewer, or mod6's , you will see a vertical 'pillar' of flow, rather than the familiar tree.
asciilifeform: mod6: the included illustration was to the effect of 'what if trb had been made using this type of vtron, from genesis to present day' .
mod6: I believe so, it does this: 1] It takes a press of v99. 2] Runs dir2txt.py on each dir, doing vdiffs of all the files. Stuffing output into monoblok. 3] Monoblok has 1 antecedent hash, 1 dependant hash, rest meta & source. 4] You load the monobloks (signed ofc) into a vtron, press them. They press into one giant file with metadata and source only. 5] one runs txt2dir.py on teh giant crystal to inflate univ
mod6: If I would have been more careful the first time, would have been 1.
mod6: I guess I just tripped up on some of the things. But, hey, sorry I didn't just do a report from jumpstreet.
asciilifeform: mod6: note, even tho the proggy ~could~ be used as-is, i doubt that anybody would want to; it is really demo of a potential frontend to be built into vtron .
mod6: Yeah, sorry, I didnt realize to grab all of your files from the email -- If I wouldn't have done that, my v would drop them on the floor as not-signed.
mod6: So, that was minor, had to download all your monobloks and seals from the email. That was all. Overall, I think in early april, I did this late at night and just didn't follow your steps as correctly as I should have.
asciilifeform: mod6: why would it be 'not found in flow' unless you didn't unpack the patches/seals/my key ?
asciilifeform: mod6: the press (using ordinary v) creates a text file, 'trb'. which then is 'untarred', if you will, to 'makefiles' .
mod6: Simply because I didn't know that it was output to 'out/trb', and then I moved the dir to 'trb'. lol. So i tried to run the thing against a dir, not a crystal. Once I realized that, worked fine.
asciilifeform: sure, but why did the fix, fix it..?
mod6: The barf is actually in that log, there was a lot of those -- one for each vpatch. I should note though, my copy/paste may have thrown in some weird chars there, so just ignore that, that's not from your script, or my edits thereof.
asciilifeform: ( for puzzled readers -- script in ^ is a generator of a set of tests for the 'crystals' demo, rather than the thing per se )
mod6: which I've shown in my log paste above ^. The original one is pasted first, the one that I actually got to work, second.
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000296.html << the script in the body of this email needed updating (and I had forgot about this part from earlier this month) -- my corrections are basically somewhat subject to my directory setup, save these two edits:
mod6: However, I'd like to say that there were a few things that threw me off.
asciilifeform: and the soldered-on ssd.
asciilifeform: also covers the four ferrites above cpu
asciilifeform: ( there is a triangular heat spreader on the cpu and ram, in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/c101pa_bottom_nope.jpg can be seen the grease spot from it )
asciilifeform: the chassis is of aluminum.
asciilifeform: incidentally the little 'c101pa' comp , is nifty also on acct of having no exhaust pipe ( passively cooled strictly )
asciilifeform at one time had a reasonably watertight hdd ( 'battened down' by hand for the application )
mircea_popescu: but in plain terms, it turns out the human body is actually very well designed to not have a problem with sand.
mircea_popescu: anyway, never bothered me yet. you'd expect it'd be way the fuck worse with girly bits, but amusingly enough IT IS NOT. the worst part is sand abrasion due to it getting in the slip (as it will) and then the slip moving it about.
asciilifeform: it was pretty strange, 0 orcs in the water, at any time of day
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, im sure the ocean's seen male genitalia before.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, phuctor set to roll over 10 mil keys in coupla dayz.
asciilifeform: i had a cloth one back home, and did not relish to put on the 'recycled bottles' sold in uy
mircea_popescu gave up on trying to wear the retarded recicled coca cola bottles they're selling as "Swimsuits".
BigTexasBingo: I don't really have a burn either so much as gently weeping skin on my face that screams with prolonged pressure like sunglasses on mt nasal bridge
asciilifeform: interestingly enuff, 0 sunburn on asciilifeform , despite having no hat or other means against the sun
BigTexasBingo: También the varying textures aren't bad. Wait until you try walking the pretty tiles in the rain.
BigTexasBingo: December was a month where the boots were *just* broken in enough to serve as a cast for the stress fractures
asciilifeform: a+++ but even these, have limits, when pavement is ~= rubble
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually i got them bootz in timis
asciilifeform: these, i got already in existing bootz
mircea_popescu: check out alf, just like in the fairytales of his native lands!
BigTexasBingo: I actually think my pair maybe has a fiberglass rod in the sole. The appeal here is non slip rubber and dead cow.
BigTexasBingo: Not the whole sole, but enough of it
asciilifeform: the ones with iron soles ?
asciilifeform: say what one will re asciilifeform's 'jackboots', at least they're watertight
BigTexasBingo: Going back to boots after the sneakers got soaked Saturday was a trip
asciilifeform: BigTexasBingo: still sifting through the 5 or so GB of photolade to find good fodder
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6 , plox to put the matter ^ before board.
BigTexasBingo: Alf freight was very good for the morale as well
asciilifeform: ( was gonna jettison'em, then thought better )
asciilifeform: well for when this day comes, i saved all the blankets, towels, rags, foam blocks...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i guess you have all further gear conveyance contracts you wish.
asciilifeform: verily. i had nailpolishy seals on the crates even.
mircea_popescu: BigTexasBingo, what the fuck is the schmuck with kids doing in teenager slum anywyas
BigTexasBingo: !Q gabriel_laddel Seriously where the fuck are you. This land is Your land
BigTexasBingo: And myself, I have to explain the all of it has been legal since 1973 when the dictatorship took power and legalized all the drugs
BigTexasBingo: About how marijuana in his vape is cool, but the rest isn't
asciilifeform: ( strange phakt : on the way out of montevideo, somehow instead of normal taxi, asciilifeform ended up in ~entire bus~ by himself. ...they ran out of ordinary taxis ? nfi )
mircea_popescu: kinda why they're two things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i have every intention to pay it, whence the !!pay ; the checking intervenes between the statement of intention and the execution thereof.
asciilifeform: lol i can scarcely believe mircea_popescu was about to pay invoice but missed the actual invoice text
asciilifeform: does deedbot display these when you !!received...c ?
asciilifeform: i put it in the !!invoice
mircea_popescu: don't say "plz read the manifest", say "plz read the manifest : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2277 or w/er it is. what is it ?
asciilifeform: i put'em both in 1 signed document because they pertain to 1 expedition. but there are 2 sep. totals in there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there are 2 sections, sect. 1 is for pizarro, sect 2 for snsa
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plz read the manifest
mircea_popescu: the only unclear part to me is the rockchips. nsa never paid you to buy them ; nor was paid for pizarro to acquire them. i imagine this was a side deal ?
mircea_popescu: then he later paid a further .4 for a fg bundle, taking nsa to .9 worth of convertible bonds, ie a ~7,5% holderr as th9ings stand
mircea_popescu: he bought two boxes -- the minigame box and the spare. and he paid 0.5 in pizarro bonds.
asciilifeform: then ben_vulpes purchased a box; and i'm still digging in the log for where and for what;
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the gear per se, asciilifeform was repaid for long ago
mircea_popescu: basically asciilifeform the story is incomputable : you cost 1/4 btc to fly over some gear (which iirc cost us .6 ?) of which half we sold to pizarro for ~.5 in equity. figure it out if you can o.O
asciilifeform: not even to count the customs strange.
asciilifeform: the 1 item i forgot is cost of 1 spare raid cable. but let's consider it a donation...
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes lemme know if you have any q re the items in manifest ( they are all in BingoBoingo's inventory nao )
trinque: yeah that's fine; I just embiggened the type db-side
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right, i'm digging in the log re whether you included transport, but currently can't find, grrr
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, basically this is because snsa is paying you to deliver its gear there and also sold pizarro some gear on the trip, right ?
asciilifeform: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.24737591 asciilifeform-powered snsa->pizarro crossborder transport ( see http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807162 manifest ) , inclusive of the iron repurchased earlier by pizarro ( i dun recall if the transport cost was part of the purchase, if it wasn't , plox to rebill ben_vulpes et al )
deedbot: Invoiced ben_vulpes 0.02 << 2 x 3ware RAID cards (1 in http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-3-1#309820 , 1 for smg spare and currently stored in orig packaging in the rack bilge )
asciilifeform: !!invoice ben_vulpes 0.02 2 x 3ware RAID cards (1 in http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-3-1#309820 , 1 for smg spare and currently stored in orig packaging in the rack bilge )
mod6: Ah, ok. Thanks for the info asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: mod6: they are not merely double- but N- stackable. however power supply gets gnarly in that geometry, and the pilot plant as pictured, oughta be considered full
asciilifeform: ( in re industrial application -- asciilifeform has found , while back, that FG might be one of the few electronic items which ~like~ elevated , within reason ( dun wanna melt the solder balls or warp the pcb, so no boiling lead plox ) temperatures... )
diana_coman: ben_vulpes, mod6 what's the price for a rockchip *with* fg as per asciilifeform's description above?
mircea_popescu: this is indeed where the junction is going, evolve a pcb for official arm item specifically.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly we oughta make the successor FG, in already the 'four holes of rpi3' form factor that rockchip has, so as to stack'em cleanly..
asciilifeform: if pilot plant sells out and stays full -- then we construct the full plant ( and eventually migrate pilot customers to it also )
asciilifeform: keep in mind that this is a pilot plant; in 'adult' 1u and 2u designs there is designated slot for FG for ~each~ board.
asciilifeform: ( as illustrated in the photo linked by mod6 )
asciilifeform: re shelf, there is room on the ~existing~ shelf for 2 FG , without obstruction of airflow.
asciilifeform: ( i.e. they do not come with FG by default, but this is available as an option; interested folx should ping ben_vulpes & mod6 and inquire re price )
asciilifeform: and i doubt it would take BingoBoingo very much sweat to craft a suitable shelf to keep the FG-en on.
asciilifeform: ( naturally they also take conventional usb-ttl FG trivially )
asciilifeform: mod6, mircea_popescu : they have not 1 but 2 uart's, already at ttl signal level, pretty much born to FG
mod6 goes to find the picture
mod6: I suppose that one could be connected directly to the board, right asciilifeform? But would it physically have to be placed, i.e. underneath, the riser bolts/pegs?
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me that ~for the first time~ in the history of computing, we have hardware capable of on the fly rsa-ing.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, do these come with fg or as an optional ?
asciilifeform has become rather fond of the rockbox , even bought some moar for the torture room after coming back from BingoBoingostan
asciilifeform: lobbes: definitely oughta suffice for the described use
lobbes: Pizarro folx, would rockchip box be enough juice for the above? And is it still $75 for a quarter?
lobbes: Ugh, so my www on my frantech vps has been dog slow all day. Same vps that hosts lobbesbot, so possibly I have finally outgrown the thing (currently hosts bot, mp-wp, archived urls index, eulora price history, and various misc)
BingoBoingo: And in the Sportsmen being MEN department: "Bauer told Passan that he repeatedly bugged the Indians’ medical staff to cauterize his finger wound shut with a soldering iron. They laughed at him, but Bauer was 100 percent serious. He truly wanted his already mangled finger to be burnt shut so bad he almost performed the procedure himself."
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6, that's actually... exactly the opposite of what i said! << I've got ya. I'm just gonna stay on this rawtx stuffs, I'm making ok progress atm.
lobbes apologizes for all the lobbesbot join/part spam. Will have to investigate once out of saltmines
mircea_popescu: the standards in computing are a thing to behold.
ave1: That one should not be too hard, most work is done in the buildinstall function in defs.h
asciilifeform: also needs a central place to put '-j32' where it will be fed to ALL gcc & gnat invocations so that my 32-cpu box can do the Right Thing
ave1: Currently the mechanism is not fail save, so it sometimes skips a step even if it was unsuccessful.