asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: right, and worse still, not even 'reduce magnetism', but even simpler problems remain open, e.g. 'why does supercon.' simply there aint any newton-grade folx involved in the field anymoar, all that's left is the 'throw particles against wall and type output into 'ms-excel' folx.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma incorporate the linked items (apparently missed on 1st pass) but will wait for final verdict from diana_coman in next 2d if no one else is in a burning hurry to have recipe.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: is '32' the only omission ?
mp_en_viaje: you can physics just fine. go, figure out magnetism. you can't, however, high energy particle physics without EITHER the high energy particles or an einsteinian knack for clueless prophecy / newtonian grasp on maths. but even if 2nd lobe, still will need 1st lobe confirmation. this is unavoidable.
diana_coman: uhm, then why did I dump changes in log, lolz.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:29:21 diana_coman: asciilifeform: at point 3-2 I started the boot partition at 32 (because lilo needs 0-31)
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945102 - as per this and given the diff notes, still needs changes & re-deed
asciilifeform: ( other extreme, is today's 'shuddup, cern can physics and y'all go home, slice-lengthwise!11' )
asciilifeform: such poor was the sealant, that he ended up keeping the old controversy of 'horror vacui' alive (vessel wouldn't stay evacuated)
mp_en_viaje: there's no room for "i feel my dick should be able to go where mp's goes on the grounds of... well, it being MY dick"
mp_en_viaje: fact of the matter is that if you wanna write about frankfrurt, you eitehr go to frankfurt or stfu.
mp_en_viaje: the french had an equiv problem, "lavoisier equipment too expensive, why tells us we are poor"
asciilifeform recently, when 'took r&r break' briefly, unearthed that apparently r. boyle was accused by t. hobbes of, essentially, of 'cyclotron', for introducing the (expensive, at the time) air pump as a centerpiece of royal society demos. pretty interesting vintage wank.
asciilifeform realizes that this is rather 'petrological' vision of knowledge. 'dinosaurs died an' liquified, nao we pump'em.' but what can do, when little in the way of new ones walking around.
asciilifeform: is how one gets 'a clue', neh. from them clue-mines.
mp_en_viaje: this is also the problem -- not webfacing.
mp_en_viaje: i'd be curious to see what mechanical panopticons they built to help with the process, because trying to flatten the web of reference and context is quite the expexplosion.
mp_en_viaje: yah, imagine man of the futuretrying to do tlp-adnotation on trilema.
asciilifeform: this is 1 of the items that actually wins from the use of inexpensive leased boxen tho. can have multiple staging units where worlds are rebuilding while other work carries on, potentially.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: for given recipe, this required at the very least a rebuild world and given the goal of checking if indeed can bring up both servers, preferably sooner rather than later, I did not attempt that.
asciilifeform: ( ftr 99% of why asciilifeform ~even used~ gentoos , is the ability to ban-flag / peg versions of packages with fine grain )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: is why it took asciilifeform several months to derive the original set of ban flags.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: hm; some dependencies seemed to pull in some crypto; didn't fully investigate to see if they can in turn work without etc, perhaps yes.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: entirely correct. for instance, after adding a ban flag, to bring the system into conformance with it takes a 'rebuild world', i.e. 2-3 day process.
diana_coman: otherwise yes, I had banned in on the previous smg test server and simply got on with libressl
mp_en_viaje: grand problem with c-anything is that there's no php-like "lulz, three stiches and a dab, you'll be done in five hours). anythng, ANYTHING, even something as simple as "make the fucking int datatypes match across the code" turn into multi-week, 100+ hour projects.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: indeed. off the shelf gentoo includes it, because mirrors tend to be sslistic
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: the problem is that the recipe makes a system on which openssl is *already installed*
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:57:07 asciilifeform: did not remember that there remained projects still relying on pre-ave1 gnat
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:54:35 diana_coman: asciilifeform: for eulora I need: app-misc/screen, ftjam, net-misc/curl (that runs into the openssl shit), dev-db/mysql (5.6.39 or earlier) + cs and cal3d but those are frozen versions/not portage anyway
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 17:00:39 asciilifeform: really folx oughta thrust, imho, into actual cuntoo, when this is practical, rather than to persist with asciilifeform's old piece
asciilifeform: (consider the still-unresolved 'log url scheme' quandary )
mp_en_viaje: (speaking of which, isn't the select mechanism beautiful in how it ~supplants anchors~!!!)
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yeah, the worthlessness of child's net aka www is well documented on trilema also.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:48:02 diana_coman: aha; I actually had the mysql precise thing in one of the backups but rather deeply burried so at the time of the test I went with this mirror; but as I was saying, by default I rather tend to unplug the network cable when installing systems.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: observe, i cooked this image 2y ago, and all of the mirrors which then were alive, today dead.
asciilifeform: mirrors suck if only by wasting time, they have life expectancy of laboratory rat
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the mirrors are used to pull down tarballs for which in the image 'portage' already contains frozen hashes. but really these oughta be abolished, and all tarballs to be present on install stick.
mp_en_viaje: im not saying don't do it, i'm... well, im not even fucking sure what i'm saying. the thought occured.
asciilifeform: esp. these.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:46:20 diana_coman: asciilifeform: the mirrors I have in my /etc/portage/make.conf after getting rid of dead ones + adding at least one with required mysql: gentoo.gossamerhost.com gentoo.supp.name mirror.neolabs.kz/gentoo/pub mirrors.xservers.ro/gentoo/ gentoo/bloodhost.ru gentoo.wheel.sk bbgentoo.ilb.ru
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945135 << the risk with enumerating such is that nao any slashdot "buyer" / malware distributor has a list to work off of.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: hash of entire image, goes in the recipe (as in r4) but really any included items also oughta indiv.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: chroots are tricky , but there is a very limited use of'em in the r4 recipe (where could not avoid.)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:45:39 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma also include prebuilt kernel in this one, so that if no adjustment is req'd, the (potentially hours) taken up by build of the kernel, can be avoided in installation
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945134 << then put hashes in the deed too.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:44:55 asciilifeform: diana_coman: in the single-stick item i'm baking atm, there is a dir where all the turnable-knob configs are in , and copied to the new disk as part of install. so user can set'em up beforehand, rather than to work inside the chroot.
asciilifeform: really folx oughta thrust, imho, into actual cuntoo, when this is practical, rather than to persist with asciilifeform's old piece
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:43:57 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd like to put as much as possible correct config in the tarball, rather than have user '1st fix a, then fix b, etc'
asciilifeform: then will include.
diana_coman: so I don't see a big problem with including a gnat in the canister
diana_coman: ie set first in path the desired one and that's it
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it is. i have 4 diff gnats on the box where now sitting.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: as far as I recall though, choosing the gnat is just a matter of setting PATH, isn't it?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: possibly i oughta refrain from sealing in a gnat then, it could interfere with your process
diana_coman: possibly I'll have to hammer it into static at some point but not yet there (it's a ball of ifdefism among other things)
asciilifeform did not remember that there remained projects still relying on pre-ave1 gnat
asciilifeform: diana_coman: do we want ave1's last gnat in the canister ?
asciilifeform: curl oughta be put in the sealed canister imho.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: for eulora I need: app-misc/screen, ftjam, net-misc/curl (that runs into the openssl shit), dev-db/mysql (5.6.39 or earlier) + cs and cal3d but those are frozen versions/not portage anyway
asciilifeform: diana_coman: fwiw i used network in testbed solely to get shell on the box, did not 'emerge' etc. anyffin.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:42:11 asciilifeform: diana_coman: this i fixed in the r2 tarball's /etc/lilo.conf
asciilifeform: diana_coman: lemme know if the r4 recipe is in fact insufficient for the current smg process , i'ma then revise. otherwise i'ma proceed with the streamlined 1stick thing, it will be tested later in the wk , w/ own hands and anyone else who wants this type of sys.
diana_coman: aha; I actually had the mysql precise thing in one of the backups but rather deeply burried so at the time of the test I went with this mirror; but as I was saying, by default I rather tend to unplug the network cable when installing systems.
asciilifeform: ideally ( as said already by diana_coman in #o ) we abolish the req for external mirrors.
diana_coman: I think this last russian one had the mysql/I quite distinctly remember adding it
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the mirrors I have in my /etc/portage/make.conf after getting rid of dead ones + adding at least one with required mysql: gentoo.gossamerhost.com gentoo.supp.name mirror.neolabs.kz/gentoo/pub mirrors.xservers.ro/gentoo/ gentoo/bloodhost.ru gentoo.wheel.sk bbgentoo.ilb.ru
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma also include prebuilt kernel in this one, so that if no adjustment is req'd, the (potentially hours) taken up by build of the kernel, can be avoided in installation
asciilifeform: diana_coman: in the single-stick item i'm baking atm, there is a dir where all the turnable-knob configs are in , and copied to the new disk as part of install. so user can set'em up beforehand, rather than to work inside the chroot.
diana_coman: it might belong there also, sure; still, I'd rather have it in recipe too; for that matter there is still the companion thing, might need to add a note at the very least
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd like to put as much as possible correct config in the tarball, rather than have user '1st fix a, then fix b, etc'
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I'd still rather put the content than just the link, why make the recipe utterly dependent on the logger being up, anyways? eg at 3-29, put in the reference but also just the required option
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this i fixed in the r2 tarball's /etc/lilo.conf
diana_coman: asciilifeform: at 3-20, this wasn't true: there was still the change from linear to lba32
diana_coman: asciilifeform: at 3-19, argh, put in there the exact place of pl2303 in kernel, it was annoying enough to have to track it down once.
diana_coman: for that matter, there's 3-9 missing, lol
diana_coman: asciilifeform: between 3-8 and 3-10 I needed the obv mkdir /mnt/usb
diana_coman: asciilifeform: at point 3-2 I started the boot partition at 32 (because lilo needs 0-31)
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-12 diana_coman: I looked about, changed the one for my usual kbd (the emergency ps kbd is not that comfy on fingers) and otherwise looked around but I didn't see something directly needed/to change
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I've set it up also on another fx (slightly diff number) on a gigabyte board
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-11 diana_coman: wtf can't quite find the thing; the motherboard is Asus M5A78L-M PLUS/USB3 HDMI Motherboard; the cpu is AMD FX-8350 Eight Core to 4.2GHz
asciilifeform: the item strictly-as-given is expected to function on any 64bit amd ( asciilifeform's test bed was a 'e350', circa 2010 . )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: should need adjustment only in kernel flags : no amd-exclusive cpu instrs were used in building the binaries (given the vintage of the cpu targeted, none exist such that would fall into this trap)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma mechanize as much of the process as is practical, but wanted to get the hand-cranked ver. out for review/test asap. hence the 'nao add 3 spoons of sugar' etc. headaches.
asciilifeform: this is good point mp_en_viaje , i'd like to know if something omitted before others (e.g. BingoBoingo) attempt to fire the thing.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, important to make sure there's no splits whatsoever, now, when fresh in memory
mp_en_viaje: i'm sorry that emergency continuation required you to leak most of the ip you built for pizarro.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: with 5-6 flags in the kern conf, item could stand on even intel boxen. ( asciilifeform simply boycotts intelism ) . the other item to add is that i'm making a single-usbstick installer, also supporting serial console, for to simplify installation on leased machines ( typically telekvm permits use of ~one~ 'virtual' disk. )
mp_en_viaje: ok so basically we answer the original q with "well, we're married with amds and using above deeded recipe" ?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: can report that dev server is also built and had a test run locally with dev client; compilation there messier because of the whole stuff with gnat.
asciilifeform: ^ latest draft of recipe, as tested by asciilifeform and then diana_coman .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 06:42:11 mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, i suspect about half of the ru ip space is "soft" banned in germany, constant "inexplciable" service interruptions etc. can't eg load archive.is most of the time, and so on
bvt: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945073 << the only problem i ever encountered is project gutenberg blocking germany, but no problems with archive.is
bvt: hi. i intend to finish the kernel rng work end of next week - then will do a dissection-writeup on what i did + vpatch. i also have to setup mpwp somewhere - this may take a bit of additional time.
spyked: mp_en_viaje, lobbes: re. digging into mp-wp coad, it happens I have an article in the works on exactly that (emerging from the editor weird). /me will try to get it done tomorrow
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, i suspect about half of the ru ip space is "soft" banned in germany, constant "inexplciable" service interruptions etc. can't eg load archive.is most of the time, and so on
mp_en_viaje: no longer merely "do not use shitlangs, they rot the brain" but rather the much more refined "do not use shitlangs as langs, they're not that, and don't swallow, either".
mp_en_viaje: specifically : the public statues are sufficiently elaborate, the public stellae high enough, in any case our notions and conceits sufficiently advanced to support (in my judgement) revisiting of the shitlangs, with clear deliniation as to why and what and wherefore.
mp_en_viaje: aaand in other MAJOR http://trilema.com/2018/how-things-have-changed/ developments, http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/mp-wp-bot-workplan-now-until-november-3rd/#comment-133 stands like an absolute milestone. there's also a cultural aspect to contend with now!
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, i wouldn't worry THAT much about the materials, even a 5lb hammer and a chunk of rock will be sufficient.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile i moved the bimbo from fetlife work to instagram work yest, on the groudns that "what the fuck, all these uppity gorgons, go talk to pretty girls at least"
BingoBoingo: hanbot_abroad: In the next 24-36 hours I hope to have access to pass out. Once I wake up I'll run to the market where folks lay out their weird for sale looking for some things to help the coming disk clean up. Then it'll be back to knocking 'anyserver' into an interim place for blogs to see some light again.
BingoBoingo: Aite, 'anyserver' has the right versions of apache and php finally built and working together.
asciilifeform: ( 'this' == the old gentoo )
asciilifeform: i'ma put in deedbot the final cookbook for this, when i wakeup.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje production server & db successfully running on my local test-setup so that part at least seems all right; tomorrow I'll look at the dev server too.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: sadly that doesn't seem to be going anywhere indeed, the crowncloud guy lingers in #o but doesn't answer any q so it probably won't come to anything.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-10 11:32:38 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, aite. ill cover w/e you paid, lump it with the drive incinerations and w/e else such odds and ends.
BingoBoingo: In erred in interpreting http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944577 as leading to some other arrangement being preferable
BingoBoingo: hanbot_abroad: I'm about to dive into the CentOS anybox again now that I've sourced a bunch of inexpensive diamond grind/cut bits and have them in hand.
hanbot_abroad: yeah. the surrounding artefacts are still there! just...kinda sadly muffled from beneath the surface, unable to be relevant in the context of the overpopulated stupidities that surround them.
diana_coman: hmm, I can see how that can end up the same actually, yes; the absence is the same after all, regardless of path to it and even of surrounding artefacts I suppose.
hanbot_abroad: you know? and yet, overtolerance and complacency end up lookin' the same anywhere, like a semi-opaque film.
hanbot_abroad is gravely behind on logs, having been wringing germany out in the bathtub to see if a drop of sanity is left here somewhere.
asciilifeform: e.g. the logger, already transitioned from 'hold-up wall' to 'wall', ideally erry useful product similar.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: aside from 'help diana_coman get smg despite isp lost at sea' in general , not being a latech, asciilifeform wants to make proper 'walls', rather than ' asciilifeform holds up the wall ' walls. in the spirit of 'publish fg schems' etc.
mp_en_viaje: even as we speak the dumb cunts over at uruguay are "trying to resolve amiably" through the age old process of "we fuck shit up and you agree with us it's okay"
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, custom nothing, it's on the list of your very personal peculiarities, if it ever was a custom it went out with the divine right of kings
mp_en_viaje: for some reason the detergent here smells like bubblegum, i smell like i've spent yesterday evening knee deep in thirteen year old and trying to re-collect all my shit strewn all over the place is like looking for car playing card things
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/why-the-females-of-any-sexuate-species-are-necessarily-going-to-be-lazy-stupid-and-annoying/ << Trilema -- Why the females of any sexuate species are necessarily going to be lazy, stupid and annoying.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: can happily report success on the very same amd fx !
lobbes: likewise, I've got a RedirectMatch set up that is pointing all old blog.lobbesblog links to the new url (assuming I don't change my permalink structure). Everything seems to be functional (server-side select, footnotes) except for the archives dropdown, for whatever reason. Not very pertinent though, so I'll worry about that later.
lobbes: in other news, I have resurrected mah blog. Now with new name: http://www.krankendenken.com/ (208.76.255.66)
asciilifeform: ^ mainly for diana_coman . physically tested on a 'e350' amd, excavated for the occasion. req'd 0 changes to kernel config !!
BingoBoingo: I've been sent uniformative graphs that list IPs suggesting that whatever happened to the network, it didn't happen to my portion of Latecho's range alone per addresses printed on the graphics they sent. Here in the dark, hypotheses were made, but no useful information was ever delivered.
BingoBoingo: They almost certainly depend on outside counsel.
BingoBoingo: At some point earlier I did name drop Doctors Tristan Narvaja and Eduardo Acevedo Maturana as the authors of some good prose. The local civil code is the first guy's work. Local commercial code a collaboration, but mostly the second guy.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, nah, it reads like "legal told us we'll prolly end up paying through the nose and we told them we know better an' now gonna prove it! PEOPLE DO ANYTHING WE TELL THEM TO!!!"
BingoBoingo: them to be paid.
BingoBoingo: The remaining months of the contract, if they'd performed would have grossed for them maybe enough for them to get an ancient VW "Kombi" in the local automotive market that may or may not run. Maxi's "we want to work in an amicable way to finish this contract" sounds a lot like they want to say "please pay us to term even though we have become non-performant" while at the same time betraying the lack of balls and/or justification for
BingoBoingo: By contrast Based on the Monday sit down, if Oscar was empowered to act as a telecom manager in the way his title suggests... Maybe the week could have played out differently. Then again if I had a magic clicker that reset time back five minutes every time I clacked it, I may have never made it past age 5 or 13 much less 30 due to juvenile min-max attempts. But hypotheticals are hypotheticals.
mp_en_viaje: basically place got its careerwoman/retard, they tend to ruin things in exactly this manner.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Since this collapse started and this Maxi fellow appeared... Based on the Monday sit down Maxi would be a walking talking tort generator in a common law jurisdiction. Here in this Roman law jurisdiction he seems to be actively generating breaches, non-performance, and faltas. He's been shooting from the hip and clearly been a detriment to his apparently absentee boss.
BingoBoingo: Well, they can sweat this weekend. I would rather not dedicate my life forever to ramming the baton up the assholes, but delivering the breaking of the balls this week... It's been more than cathartic. My parents dun went and raised me wrong.
mp_en_viaje: or just walk away from it altogether, if you don't feel like dedicating however many weeks/months of your future life to raming the baton up some anon idiots' asshole.
mp_en_viaje: and, i suppose, file a complaint for theft with your local police station, listing what you recall of what they made off with "and others", and whatever, $10k or w/e the aggregate cost fairly was.
mp_en_viaje: maybe, i guess, something like "I'm happy you understand the significant financial liabilty your misbehaviour over the past week exposes you to. We may consider a significant compensation offer ; but in principle we'd much rather pursue the matter through the legal system, so as to bring you as close to never being able to perpetuate such in the future as at all possible."
asciilifeform: 'if your infrastructure team have been designed a more robust security solution, that why the only solution that we found, was send your IPs to a black hole' << reads like fucking pinoy tards
BingoBoingo received a response http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=ASca Note 1. In some of the useless graphs they shared, it appeared IPs outside the pizarro range though inside the latech range had been targeted. Note 2. All that had been said before with respect to CenturyLink is that CenturyLink wasn't answering inqueries from either Dedicado or CenturyLink
BingoBoingo: Fellow in the local network has offered to make some introductions with respect to some potential future work oportunities in country.
BingoBoingo: Likely going to end up having to fabricate boxes fot the servers requesting shipping, aside from the "phd assembly line" aspect doable.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 11:57:49 mp_en_viaje: "Inasmuch as my key doesn't work and you seem dedicated to ignoring even the lowest level of service coinceivable, I'm guessing my contract ends through your egregious breach and ends up litigated as fraud ?"
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2019/welcome-to-the-tar-pit << The Tar Pit -- Welcome to The Tar Pit! again.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile 34 KKKalifornia counties are going to lose power for up to 5 days in the name of safety. As the driving rain continues outside.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I'm still inclined to assemble chapter and verse before firing off anything. Not like another up to 48 hours of their sweat is going to damage anything.
mp_en_viaje: "Inasmuch as my key doesn't work and you seem dedicated to ignoring even the lowest level of service coinceivable, I'm guessing my contract ends through your egregious breach and ends up litigated as fraud ?"
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Indeed. It's like... WTF they don't expect folks to do their own manual labor and their don't expect folks to do their own reading either
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, lmao, so they don't answer re your key but whine about your contract ?
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> eventually ima hve to rely on something. << In light of the current mess, probably a lot of somethings available readily in volume.
mp_en_viaje: somewhere, down the line, eventually.
asciilifeform: dun rely on 1 d00d w/ short life expectancy , like on phf. the instructions are there, and are to be used.
asciilifeform: btw i agree w/ mp_en_viaje's larger pt, if folx dun get up off arse and ~use~ asciilifeform's published instructions to actually replicate his 'magical' irons -- then yes will die of bolix plague !
mp_en_viaje: and i'd like to get the new assumptions -- if not correct ; at least closer to.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 11:43:50 asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje , diana_coman , et al, ran the risk/roi calculation and it only came out in favour of FG vs. intel rng because thought that piz could never die or that iron can be teleported , but w/ dead piz and realization that cannot be teleported -- goes other way, then so wills allah -- but asciilifeform objects to the accusation of 'scam'. erryone knew for what signed up.
BingoBoingo: But still no word on WTF with the keys
BingoBoingo: So after playing dumb with the keys recieved this. After the running around part of the day's tasks plan to assemble something quoting chapter and verse while at the same time requesting we both work out a way to take this mess of a contract off our books in an amicable manner without making things more expensive than necessary. In no hurry to send anything off yet.
mp_en_viaje: it's a broken fucking mindset keeps producing the same type of error, "oh, we blackholed it". duh. because why, because in the imaginary world they live in, the cost to that is arbitratrily and self-allotedly 0.
diana_coman: this freenode-issue is to my eyes quite close to the isp-issue really
mp_en_viaje: even tcp'd have been ok by itself. the "pingpacket" thing is dumb.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I'll run it, as promised on all amd around, at the very least; will at least have *something* to say after that, I guess.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, no, it's a simple statistical thing, occasionally manages to spew out enough junk so that the magic freenode packet is in the left out part of the spew
mp_en_viaje: so my megapipe is occasionally overwhelmed. so what. "oh, if you're receiving 2Gbps just when freenode decided to issue ping, you've a 50-50 shot at an exact equialent of latechco technology of blackholing, you have to remake the whle fucking connection" holy shit where the fuck do they crawl from
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, this "ping" design whereby ONE PACKET stands for the connection, and if it is lost you're dc'd is so fucking dumb
diana_coman: asciilifeform: why do you keep going on about the FG. Nobody said the FG were the trouble, wtf.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you've the compl. pcb masks etc. , anyone with basic 10 grade education can make FG .
asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje , diana_coman , et al, ran the risk/roi calculation and it only came out in favour of FG vs. intel rng because thought that piz could never die or that iron can be teleported , but w/ dead piz and realization that cannot be teleported -- goes other way, then so wills allah -- but asciilifeform objects to the accusation of 'scam'. erryone knew for what signed up.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 11:24:30 asciilifeform: cuz asciilifeform too stupid to run a piz. but can have all the parts you need, w/ worldwide deliv, at cost.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944894 << until you'll be too old to move ? like it was the case of symbolics folk ?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I am hesitating re my exhaustion because I'm not sure that is much of a measure otherwise; sure, I can and will try it at least on what I already have and if it works, there is at least that data.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i was commenting primarily re the 'opteron', to point that you do not in fact ~must~ ('scammed by evil craftsman') use the particular machine ! can use 9000 diff machines. simply bother to inspect for physical space 1st.
diana_coman: now ofc how the fuck to "test to exhaustion" here, not like I have the full range of amd and I'm not living in a dc either, ugh.
mp_en_viaje: so let's revisit it once more when you have an answer to the above.
mp_en_viaje: now, to continue the original diana_coman q : it seems maybe we don't have to answer this in any definitive sense just yet
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: again, if 'customization is dangerous b/c may end up having to physically ship irons rather than lease 'amazon'' then yes. but you knew this going into FG. but the implication that 'he scammed me into building FG' is disingenuous, FG built before piz, w/ mp_en_viaje's expert judgement & consent, and at no pt was there problem in supplying mp_en_viaje or 50+ other folx w/ it on sched.
mp_en_viaje: i had no objection to the run -- and paid for it ; pizarro failed. the expectation that this may be sustained in the general will need more bones and tears than mere "oh, socialism good idea poorly applied" level nonsense.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the config as given is amdistic correct.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the 'specified' describes strictly asciilifeform's judged machine. it is not anywhere proclaimed that 'must ONLY' on such machine. i've FG plugged into a toshiba 586 here.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: if I got this straight, you say the "specific" here is simply "any amd" , right?
mp_en_viaje: IF one buys on the principle of customization, rather than commodification, THEREFORE one also buys the downstream. and, upon examination rather than theory, the downstream shows itself more expensive than thought, and may yet show itself more expensive than humanly sustainable.
mp_en_viaje: not with the this-or-that.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yes, but the problem is with "specified type".
asciilifeform: what type of machine mp_en_viaje et al use, is b/w him and odin. and i object to the implication that 'scammed' him into using particular type that is 'magically sauced'. at any pt mp_en_viaje was free to reject asciilifeform's rec and demand a different type.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if intel then recompile . if amd, will run as given.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: eh, recompile kernel to fit that, at the very least, no?
asciilifeform: evidently i bungled even this doc. ( what other docs that i published, apparently made 0 sense ? )
mp_en_viaje: as things stand right now, in point of fact as diana_coman might well point out, the ~one argument available from strict minigame pov as to why even get test server there was "save on the hassle of trying to reproduce env".
asciilifeform: cuz asciilifeform too stupid to run a piz. but can have all the parts you need, w/ worldwide deliv, at cost.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: (very good flame, btw, the arms pic, i've no counter) but you haven't actually been 'fucked over by craftsmen' yet re FG, not only asciilifeform can make for you as many FG as you want, but so can successors, item is 100% documented.
mp_en_viaje: what you WILL NOT be provided with, however, come hell or high water, is actually reliable custom solutions. they'll only appear to be working for as long as it takes you to swallow the hook, and not any longer.
mp_en_viaje: if instead of doing business with a business that supposedly retained / was run by / whatever, expert craftsmen, we just hired them ourselves, we'd have been in the same exact posture. just like the man opted to not do the work of his business he'd have opted to not do the work of his employment -- arbitrarily, unreviewedly, disavowedly, and if you want ten volumes or ten shelves' worth of cover-up whine, you may be provided.
mp_en_viaje: t by buying into his idiocy, therefore he believes "nobody could accuse" his idiocy of not having any substance, and therefore (he reasons), clearly his idiocy was in fact sexy.
mp_en_viaje: because he has sexier things to do than what you need ; and, importantly, because this is WHY he wanted to be a "craftsman" in the first place, and why attempted to scam you into buying custom, rather than standard items : so as to fuck you over by doing "sexier things", because in his broken mind the very thing that impels the "craftsman" misbehaviour also looks at your damage as implicit justification -- in that you're hur
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, as far as any practical concern goes, we owned pizarro just fine. ownership is not the problem ; but customization puts undue power in the hand of the "Craftsman", who will imediatelly turn around to fuck you over.
mp_en_viaje: so as my current thinking goes, attemptingto run business on anything other or besides commodity hardware is ~= editing locally saved copies of websites. it works fine enough -- until you reload.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: tbh the way I see it is that commercial enterprise may rely on "custom-made" only to the extent that it owns that production line since otherwise sooner or later it's bound to find itself stranded as far as I can tell.
mp_en_viaje: alf's own "i bought symbolics gear" fits right in here, just because the crap seems, or may be made to seem, important or relevant through discourse does not make it either actually important or actually relevant.
mp_en_viaje: sooner or later the proponents will discover "they're poor" or however this is called more generally, and "they were only advising" or whatever you'd phrase it, "they were just saying in principle".
diana_coman: I suppose in the best-ideal-great path, I could say : map all dependencies and make the move to cuntoo but this is essentially taking on another mountain of work with unclear everything.
mp_en_viaje: 1. it seems to me that as a matter of principle, and for all its supposed benefits touted by the so inclined, custom hardware is not a practicable course in business.
diana_coman: 3. for as long as CS esp is not yet *fully* excised out of the dev/test server, that might *also * need non-Cuntoo
diana_coman: 2. current production server will NOT run on cuntoo either, even if available (because still needs dynamic + CS & Cal3d that are iffy)
diana_coman: to give an idea of what's the issue here:
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: what shall we do with the s.mg servers hw+system-wise?
lobbes: anyhoot, light logs this morning. Good thing there's a trilema to read with breakfast
spyked: I'm at least curious to determine what trackbacks it hasn't sent. or whether xmlrpc.php responded with some error message. as it is, I don't know what's happening there
spyked: mp_en_viaje, I looked at that, but since I had links in the old format (e.g. /posts/y01/some-post.html), I also have to update those for local trackbacks to be accepted. then I'll use the trilema script for the second pass, altho... yeah, normally that wouldn't be necessary
mp_en_viaje: but i still beleive the trackback system's broken (actually -- i believe the existence of the bash proves it must be)
mp_en_viaje: this means that simply iterating through the list will reduce the holes and in a finite number of steps have sent all.
mp_en_viaje: the trackbacking thing prolly deserves rewriting, it proved very friable in practice.
spyked: hm... I thought the trackback sender just picks the links (when pressing "update post") and sends 'em, but it might have some timer or something. I'm doing local trackbacks as we speak and some trackbacks to my own posts arrive immediately, while some not
mp_en_viaje: and in other morning lulz, oh look! "ddos" failing both the d- and the -dos portions! YOU KNOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO DENY SERVICE RITE
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944811 << so why isn't the friend you know here ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-10 22:36:52 lobbes: http://trilema.com/2019/the-famous-schlob-and-other-stories/#footnote_0_88237 << heh, when I go to lookup "deluvional" the top result in duckduckgo is... another trilema
mp_en_viaje: Oct 11 12:41:55 <mp_en_viaje> http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944785 << in the manner or of the kind of a deluge.
mp_en_viaje: aand in other news, my interface is indeed being ddos;d, and defo related to irc
diana_coman: girlattorney: for that matter you can see the logs of the chan too on any of the working loggers.
diana_coman: girlattorney: younghands.club has it in the about page really; the thing is that this is not really the best place for any & all talk.
girlattorney: what's the purpose of o?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 05:53:12 mp_en_viaje: 3. will you be able to invoice me via deedbot's sytem ? do you understand what the wot is and how it works etc ?
diana_coman: girlattorney: the main thing is re interoperation with republican systems and standards
diana_coman: if on the other hand he is busy with something else, there's no need to bother, let him do whatever he is busy with.
diana_coman: well, if he is willing to handle all the local stuff, weather & logistics included, why not.
diana_coman: that is not a problem in itself; I was just trying to figure out what he's trying to do there, that's all.
girlattorney: private server, depending on POV, the good or bad thing is that there is no state, bribery is the gold standard with authorities, and basically if it wants to build another facility in his area, he hasn't too much hassles with permissions
diana_coman: so it's compound-guard rather than private
girlattorney: everyone with cameras and barb wire, still, thugs are a real thing, so these 3 fazendas have a single guard that live there and control the zone
girlattorney: there are 3 fazendas
diana_coman: that shared private guard is the lulz of time; how does that work?
diana_coman: presumably he is trying to grow a business there or what?
diana_coman: girlattorney: to put it plainly, from my pov there is currently nothing wrong as such with north brazil but nothing particularly right either; if you want to interface with some dc there, go ahead.
diana_coman: girlattorney: are you based in north brazil? do you know them there or what are you offering exactly?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 06:32:26 mp_en_viaje: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a5-work-plan-vi.html << if you care for w43 suggestions, the one most painfully outstanding mp-wp item is the multi-image uploader.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940643 <-- I'll look into this as soon as I finish publishing the current mpwp work. though by the looks of it, the scp method works also works fine. fwiw I've been using it since 2013.