ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-19 01:16:00 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946557 << no, worthwhile instead to start a party first, as you are in your own hall, and then build items for the party.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946705 - so what is the party you are making there in your hall? because so far the ~only visible part has been deedbot-related + unpublished code on it -> deedbot is the seed of trinque's party; now you say it isn't and 1. why isn't it? 2. what exactly is then?
lobbes: point being that if you were explicit from the get-go, then I'd have that much more time to *do something* about any identified flaw, instead of waiting until next week or whenever you decide to return
lobbes: anyways I'll start it off: you could stand to be more explicit in your communication. As it stands now I'm stuck assuming what you consider my flaws. From my perch I'm *doing more* now than I was in 2017 when you rated me at 2, so it makes little sense to me. And since I truly hate assuming, instead I won't even bother wasting further cycles until I hear more.
lobbes: and I do believe the general approach to this is sound; the enemy will not give a shit about one's ego. Best to attack them here
lobbes: trinque: I invite you to attack my flaws, btw. (this is why I stuck around here in the first place; to expose my own weaknesses and grow stronger). What prompts the unrate?
deedbot: trinque updated rating of BingoBoingo from 3 to 1 << Loyal to the end.
trinque: let it be plain that I hate most of you. and you should hate me back. I don't want to hear another dipshit that can't find his way into a 50k/yr business call himself lord.
trinque: oh and by the way, "making them sweat it" is not maximum pressure. it's avoidance behavior, the same as "tomorrow I'll be sober/file police report/make a 'conversion engine'" whatever the fuck.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 18:01:55 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946571 - mainly because it was mp_en_viaje & you conversation; and you keep yourself quite private otherwise so I don't really know how much/where from you want any feedback.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946656 << eh, we're too polite of each other's egos. say, and I'll be glad someone said honestly.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 16:30:57 diana_coman: trinque: are you saying that "I watched pizarro failing because they didn't bring people in the wot; so not worth dev the wallet because not enough people in wot" ?
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946557 << no, worthwhile instead to start a party first, as you are in your own hall, and then build items for the party.
trinque: and you know, these are the things friends discuss rather than stotting before eachother playing at greatness. I should hope we are that, and I am disappointed when we aren't.
trinque: all I did was piss my money away, and the idiot's still an idiot doing idiot things.
trinque: BingoBoingo: make sure you actually file the report, per mp. name of the game is increasing the perceived cost of dealing with you vs settling sensibly
BingoBoingo: I'm going to get some sleep, I suspect others here are better qualified to eyeball this.
lobbes: oh, and also d) the sending of trackbacks, which right now looks like it'll involve using some curl-isms
lobbes: in a nutshell, the primary domains of the bot are a) interfacing with IRC b) connecting to a running mp-wp mysql database c) writing (and deleting) files in a sub-directory of the mp-wp install directory
BingoBoingo: lobbes: I still gotta write a post for asciilifeform on what a shared hosting stack should look like. It may also be the case that the bot would be better with its own 'dulap' type server. I have not had time to sit down and catch up completely with the conversation surrounding this bot.
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Who can write where is all users and permissions. Giving the bot such powers is possibile.
lobbes still has yet to obtain the recommended dsc-rx100, so shots will be taken on battery chugging turd camera
lobbes: In other news, I'll be spending next week visiting old friends and family up north in Mass so I'll be less frequent in the forum (though reading logs). I'll make sure to take some pics to feed blog.
lobbes: And in terms of delivery, the omelette is still on track to reach your table by November
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-18 15:37:49 mp_en_viaje: lobbes i'm thinking of cloning the pizarro shared for sitting down your thing on ; but comments welcome.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946439 << I see no issues with this as long as the bot will have permissions to write files to the 'mp-wp root directory'. I'm not very familiar with the old UY1 mp-wp setup and permissions setup so I couldn't say for sure (I used the rockchip for my bloggin' with piz)
ascii_rack will lock up the chest and bbl, deadly tired.
ascii_rack: diana_coman: your box is sitting on the ip given in #o earlier. pings, but no www, iirc you had manually-controlled www revvup on that rk.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 01:44:25 mp_en_viaje: c) you're thinking too cleanly, which is adequate for republican work but inadequate to interfacing work (a point somewhat reminescent of this php discussion). it's the empire of shit for a reason, let it have it.
BingoBoingo: Anyways http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946062 was all too prophetic when it came to dealing with the survivors. They will be fed shit!
mod6: Thanks for the update BingoBoingo. I'm a couple of days behind on logz here; I've been horribly ill for the last 3 days. I'll start catching up, bbl.
BingoBoingo: scheduled still earlier with another barrister.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform mod6: Update. As of the most recent communication from the datacenter, it seems they want to be sued. You have this weekend to think this matter over. There is the chance they may be pushed into settling. Based on their response and the fact they pushed it through Maxi, I suspect they ended their week of sweating by deciding to bluff. First sit down with counsel scheduled for 8pm UTC Monday. Another sitdown may be
BingoBoingo: And another lawyer has jsut set a date for Monday.
BingoBoingo: Except they've shown bad faith several times this month.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, only 4 mentions of "causa extraña" in the entire civile code. Two involve liability in construction. One involves the operation of depositories. Then there's: El deudor es condenado al resarcimiento de daños y perjuicios, sea en razón de la falta de cumplimiento de la obligación o de la demora en la ejecución, aunque no haya mala fe de su parte, siempre que no justifique que la falta de cumplimiento proviene de c
BingoBoingo: Well, most recently recommnded lawyer so far is responsive, fellow who recommended him has actually used him as a lawyer rather than merely an acquintance.
mp_en_viaje: because that'd be the correct answer at this juncture, "here's my copy of police report"
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946571 - mainly because it was mp_en_viaje & you conversation; and you keep yourself quite private otherwise so I don't really know how much/where from you want any feedback.
BingoBoingo: So in today news found a responsive lawyer interested in the case. As our conversation started http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=1YXH hit my inbox
trinque: "what they're scared animals too; tell them what they're doing there, it's not like anyone knows"
trinque: I couldn't fucking believe this had to be explained, not just to her, but to everyone there
trinque: told her she was being an idiot, and you make them your friends, and then tell them to make space for the dance party
mp_en_viaje: the kids have issues, it's a fact.
mp_en_viaje: i have been keeping a (quite public, at that) log of a wide reaching "where is it not raining" research project. expensive enough, too, i've been burning 4 figures/day, every day, since ~april. not that the point is how to make it cheapest or anything
mp_en_viaje: and the lord answered "i don't know, my good man. for, you see... it is raining. SULPHURIC ACID."
mp_en_viaje: so you know, maybe you're the merchant who went to town to talk to the lord, to ask his question, "your grace, how the fuck do i keep my shop open when it's raining sulphuric acid"
mp_en_viaje: but it's quite manifest, their principal fear/problem/goal is to AVOID investment.
mp_en_viaje: some dude draw me as hitler ; some other dude (quite good, too) drew eulora's splashscreen (and some kid another) and jesuis, what 12, there's a bunch more.
mp_en_viaje: o yeah, remember ? i wasn't even counting the 100 or w/e topless girls.
trinque: she oughta be the current john k
mp_en_viaje: the "artist" idiocy is prolly the most annyoing part of it all, all these people just want to make ONE commission and run off, zero interest in anything besides masturbation, "art" is just pretense. fundamentally they're still http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-todays-lulz-the-obnoxious-cocksucker/ ust in a different line of wank.
trinque: wouldn't be the first time I said fuck it, grabbed guitar and joint, and said "that's enough money for now, bbl"
mp_en_viaje: the reason i asked "why videogames" was because, oddly, that's the one field i feel like i've a good grip on/.
mp_en_viaje: trinque, you're actually the one that gets in ~least trouble for being fucking weird. almost on girl level.
trinque: whether this leaves anything is for whomever to say
mp_en_viaje: now, how to keep tmsr from being another xerox parc / symbolics / etc is, and has been a major thing on my forebrain.
mp_en_viaje: and i do not say this idly ; i have made my own experiments as well as seen others', very EXPENSIVE, experiments in the same vein all over the world. people regularly sink billion+ in "tech incubator" producing nothing comparable.
mp_en_viaje: to be quite frank, i wish for my sins i could be persuaded by the gloom and doom, "everyone's here idiots, will never do or amount to anything" and so on. i truly do, because my life'd be a whole lot simpler. but... it's not there, here's a group of people which over years not decades got a LOT of shit together. as far as making quality products this hole's unparalleled.
mp_en_viaje: leaves two things to do, out of the three. high quality products, that we do quite well, i am well satisfied of this.
mp_en_viaje: to circle back to the method : it's evident that reducing friction's universally a major goal. so it seems to me. thus things like the orig line that started the discussion. it further seems to me that talking to people's the other major goal.
asciilifeform (will leave trinque alone for nao) but must report that the cage has been made ready, and installation of gear is to commence tonight .
mp_en_viaje: i wouldn't do that for BingoBoingo either, arguably who needed it more and asked more pointedly.
mp_en_viaje: you're the lord, i've no doubt you're smart an' possessed, you come up with it! i'm more than willing to sound it for you, but what, i'm togive you detailed marchong orders ?
mp_en_viaje: how the fuck do i know!
trinque: what do you see as the sensible method here?
trinque: I don't disagree on any of these points.
mp_en_viaje: (hence my point, the whole underlying mechanism of savings and investing's naught besides delayed gratification as a behaviour, which is how biologists call honor)
mp_en_viaje: (and yes, if honor's not root people do end up with direct equiv of sucking cock real good, which usually comes as crystal meth, or some other instant reward pathway chaser)
mp_en_viaje: the "i'm not quite sunken low enough to eat here" coming before my leaving some shitty joint and the "i think nsa might finance a serious attempt" before, what, they're based on money ? not directly. the first node's honor.
mp_en_viaje: all you do, in the end, is honor-driven not otherwise ; may be justified otherwise, but at the root and at the core, the quantum of deed runs on a dropplet of honor.
mp_en_viaje: some guy arms a ship to whatever, discover uraniumgold. why ? "to discover" my foot, it's for honor equally so, he figures the goal's respectable.
mp_en_viaje: trinque, factually, everyone bankrupts himself for honor. consider this thoroughly if you will. someone just posted what turns out to be zuckerberg's ugly gf on trilema ; they "pledge to donate 99% of facebook" bla bla. why ?
mp_en_viaje: i dunno how up to date on subatomic physics you are ; but the problem is just as fundamental as the energy-density problem (for which the link to the great log discussion escapes me now) of car batteries : at 4000 units wide, the noise well exceeds the signal.
trinque: so if there's something that will get more people using the wallet, and thus make the wallet viable (i.e. I can pay someone to improve it, and do so without it being charity out of my own pocket), I will have to think of that thing.
trinque: but if others are going to keep bankrupting themselves for honor (or because they'd rather will the dicksucking rather than work like I'm certain mp did to have the money), we're just going to be boo-hooing that mp wont give us some of his coin.
trinque: the particular item might not be possible yet, maybe there are experiments leading up, maybe not yet.
mp_en_viaje: i would certainly not mind it being baked, and i dunno, i'd have thought the pizarro history shewed clear enough i also don't mind people doing things on their own at all. you can make it if you want, that's not an issue. but you won't be able to make it as things stand, not anymore than you'll make a useful electric car. a central needed thing's not there.
mp_en_viaje: if you're interested in my (allegedly clueless, as it periodically is) understanding of the matter, alf wasn't interested in baking you a rsa chip because the item is not currently feasible. it specifically requires an object not yet known to exist, the extremely long mult'er.
mp_en_viaje: well so what are you saying then, "i dun wanna be myself/my work associated with the rest of l1" ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 10:37:28 mp_en_viaje: it's llike watching silviu gherman pick up chicks. "hi i am from the dick people"
mp_en_viaje: the whole "i tell these fucks about my cock" became painfully evident reviewing the whole earlier nuttery.
trinque: I even told alf I had the cash to do an experimental run of the RSA chip, and he ignored, because why have friends
mp_en_viaje: do you perceive the whole adventure is actually a grand scam, in the sense that what i claim is whatever, business republic bitcoin etc, but what i'm ~really~ looking for is people to prop up my ego somehow, like an elaborate social dance ? cuz i know full well success is impossible or something ?
trinque: the latter is all these fucks have been doing, "if I tell these UYians my cock is 7ft, they'll line up at feet just like mp's girls"
trinque: mp_en_viaje: one is going to have to figure out to get fed post-apocalypse, or ever larp in the grand shadow of mp
mp_en_viaje: or if not, let's dispose of the raisins first. what is your beef with the pizarro folk, they lost their own money, being derpy. you donated them some boxes, iirc
mp_en_viaje: now, this may morph into a very different, from the top down discussion, okay, if you will. but then let's carry it properly, neh ? rather than mix everything in there.
mp_en_viaje: trinque, tbh, i started this discussion from the grass roots, "of my so many past txn, X% went through my friend trinque and Y% through rando retards ; why should Y >> X ?!?!?!"
diana_coman: trinque: but if you make a business out of it then part and parcel is precisely bringing people in to use it ie create the market, no?
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in unrelated lulz, https://cryptonewsmonitor.com/2019/10/16/transylvania-crypto-conference-2019-the-transition-to-bitcoin-only/ << rotards trudge forward, on ~same legends
trinque: somebody has to have what to process for processing fees to feed the bot
diana_coman: trinque: are you saying that "I watched pizarro failing because they didn't bring people in the wot; so not worth dev the wallet because not enough people in wot" ?
trinque: I think it's hard to see the market, but in the last thread about the hardware RSA device it was clear I wasn't talking about market the same way as you, and that's where the clarity ended.
mp_en_viaje: is the idea that you're not interested in developing bitcoin things because you don't perceive there's a way to benefit from it ?
trinque: I took a few passes at them to help with the business too, and this twat (yes you, alf) dares try to w/e, get me to take up the broken business or imitate it in same vein only after he's shat his pants.
trinque: what other payment throughput is there to make the thing revenue, and if not, I can't spend my time like that.
trinque: I've just watched these other guys shred their savings making a notbusiness and then apparently going to do the same thing in another spot, because the last one was cursed with the "locals are subhuman" or w/e, and having not to do with themselves
mp_en_viaje: in practical terms -- i can use deedbot just fine for in-l payments ; but it is currently not usable for out-of-l payments because of the delay. 99% of those payments are tiny, why leave it on the table.
mp_en_viaje: trinque, iirc there was a scheme discussed year or two ago re small sums and a definition thereof ?
trinque: deedbot wallet is cold storage, and exiting the cold storage requires my involvement
mp_en_viaje: trinque, is there some way to make deedbot wallet work within ~hour rather than ~days ? is there some way to make paste more like 20mb limit than the current wha tis it 2 ? 1 ?
asciilifeform: can make this moar exact floor : the kWatt costs ~same to remove as to emit. therefore cooling can estimate also as 70.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i took a naive stab at calculating the 'floor' for this locale. the util co charges presently 7.83 cents per kW/hr. the halftower is supplied with a 1.2kW baseline . 24*30*0.0783*1.2 ~= 70 $ of mains current ; warehouse sq. metrage goes for ~30 / m^2 here, this yields 100; and the remaining unaccounted for portion of price is then 295 , which presumably includes net pipe , upkeep of the grounds (maintenance, cooling, sla
asciilifeform: 'coloco' co. made the (so far , i've nuffin to dispute it with) claim that it's a regional nexus w/ 4 separate fiber hoses in 4 compass directions to 4 peers, 2 power grids, etc.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: presently i suspect there is a glut of supply in this geography.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno that there's an objective floor on dc costs.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: my principal ill feeling is re the price, it is suspiciously small. 'there has to be catch'.
mp_en_viaje: with bitcoin this low, advance payment's prolly the least of your worries
asciilifeform: and that my key to the grounds is being readied.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: meanwhile 5min ago i was informed that the leased ips (initially, 6) are prepared.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i will be speaking in person to proprietor to help fill in all of the constants for numerics ( in particular, the cost of additional amperage, when required ; and the stability of the (suspiciously low) price , in particular re desirability of locking it in through advanced payment . )
BingoBoingo: Hardware wise UY1 left little to nothing to nitpick. Dulap type machine lots of ram, lots of fast disk, plenty of cores, hard to have too much of any of these things when shitting pages from public facing port. The room for improvement is in the stack and its management.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it would appear that you're correct re 'hold value', at the very least : death of 'moor's law' is palpable.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i'm not hell bent on saving the % either ; just making the general point.
mp_en_viaje: it's all a numbers game ; and numbers don't lie.
asciilifeform: (they can eat up to half tb)
mp_en_viaje: if you can cram 1tb in there you won't regret it, basically.
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, how about you offer l2s, new or otherwise, a year of free hosting ? i'ma throw in a free domain registration with it on my own account, and there you go, novice welcoming package.
BingoBoingo: http://bingology.net/2019/10/16/reasonable-lamp-setup-for-mp-wp-on-centos-6-and-anyserver-terms-of-use/ Leaves out the directory structure figuring someone may want to use the instructions for their own use rather than necessarily bringing up a shared machine.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll bake a blog post architecting what an ideal shared host machine involves based on the lessons of UY1 and anyserver.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ty, seems that we'll want a 'dulap-type' for this. i'ma 1st handle the outstanding reqs tho.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll work on a shared server how-to with hardware resources necessary. I can tell you now such a machine is going to want all the RAM it can get. On 'anyserver' MySQL's RAM consumption has been stable and depended so far on how many blogs it has been fed. Apache however benefits tremendously from spinning up new workers and there isn't another httpd worth messing with for the purpose.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 13:03:05 mp_en_viaje: perhaps should lay into asciilifeform to offer a shared of their own and we move all the stuff off BingoBoingo 's continuity bridge in there within a month or two ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946473 << this is good idea. i'ma obtain the necessary physical pieces for ~that~ after properly serviced existing queue ( diana_coman's demo rk ; correct and rational price summary )
asciilifeform: for today also, grr, are scheduled the physical maneuvers. but indeed i cant expect anyone to subscribe unless it is made known to what they're subscribing.
mp_en_viaje: so take the day.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje, diana_coman : i'ma have to re-do the whole numeric orchestra, and write proper summary, w/ rationally-founded constants and at length. will need , potentially, entire day. ( still guarantee cost less than piz, however, for analogous machines. )
mp_en_viaje: i suppose. i have so many of these by now tho...
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: that makes sense as a direct replication of previous setup; I don't really see anything wrong with it either; alternatively I suppose I can always set it up even on a vps with maxim or whatevers, it's literally "don't care where", all of it is public and fixed and should just be accessible for people to download stuff.
mp_en_viaje: perhaps should lay into asciilifeform to offer a shared of their own and we move all the stuff off BingoBoingo 's continuity bridge in there within a month or two ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 12:46:23 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946438 - 2 clones of the smg machines ie dev and prod server works; the website used to be on the shared server but tbh it's both the lightest and the least sensitive part, it can live ~anywhere.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma post the exact breakdown momentarily
mp_en_viaje: you never saw the eulora logs at all ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i propose price : equiv of 100 orc$ per mo per such leased machine, inclusive of full service . to be paid either monthly, quarterly, or yearly, as customer so wishes.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946438 - 2 clones of the smg machines ie dev and prod server works; the website used to be on the shared server but tbh it's both the lightest and the least sensitive part, it can live ~anywhere.
mp_en_viaje: a corp with significant dubaloo-denominated capital goods and bitcoin earnin gpower is like the golden boy of bitcoin finance.
mp_en_viaje: well, is your policy to stockpile irons for ye olde bitcoin insurance theory or is it to not ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i think i'd rather lease, do you have a preference ?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: let me go back through the whole log because honestly, I'm having a problem with asciilifeform's frenzy-spitting in the logs
mp_en_viaje: lobbes i'm thinking of cloning the pizarro shared for sitting down your thing on ; but comments welcome.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: do you wish to purchase the irons or to lease ?
mp_en_viaje: i see. ok, so what'd the charge be for the building of two clones of the smg machines + 1 clone of the pizarro shared server and for a year's hosting ?
asciilifeform: also acquired all of the basic essentials for filling.
mp_en_viaje: aite, so then, what's your plan, get a rack and start racking ?
asciilifeform: the proprietor is cooperative, for him it is pure win.
mp_en_viaje: i mean financed. eg when i logged into dns thing a few days back at BingoBoingo 's request discovered i have like 1k usd rotting in there. and that place takes bitcoin, too.
mp_en_viaje: might be a good idea to open yourself a tab with them, too.
asciilifeform: 1 of asciilifeform's longer aims is to teach the proprietor to eat coin. but presently i'd like to eat some meself.
asciilifeform: they even eat 'paypal'ism.
mp_en_viaje: is this adult bank wire ? or the mickey mouse what are they, "send money back to nicaragua" things ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i determined that dc knows how to eat wires. when comes the time to expand the tower, will run BingoBoingo-style auction , to fill this.
mp_en_viaje: well, so do you have some kind of bridge for the gaping void of btc-dubaloo conversions for instance ? i remember that was one of the original wtfs.
mp_en_viaje: as i was saying earlier in the proceedings, nsa could very well support this effort ; but it has to be fucking serious not penny ante flavour-of-the-week amateur show.
mp_en_viaje: can you appreciate the "wtf were these two doing, sat on isp while playing with xray machine" ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun anticipate buyin' anyffin but rackables until further notice, lol
mp_en_viaje: and if in three weeks this "is solved" in the sense of no longer getting a lot of loglines, and you happen to see a teledildonic telescope on sale, and you buy that, i
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in fact i'm continuing the dig for spare dc's. cuz this is the obvious, kindergarten problem.
mp_en_viaje: but in a coupla years if the dc implodes and you decide you still can't move, i'll ???
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there's 2 separate qs.: a) whether it is possible to run a comfortably +ev miniature isp for use of l1/l2. b) is how to run large isp, hosting 1000 heathens, to make 100k's. presently it would be a lie if asciilifeform said that knows how to (b) , and suicidal if tried to (a) + (b) simultaneously right off .
mp_en_viaje: whereas the narrative of amateurship, also well standardized by now, is rather novel ; completed by about 1880s or so. "this is a thing i do ; but i am not this thing i do".
mp_en_viaje: the narrative of business was definitively complete cca 1700, it's like any other folk tale, always goes the exact same way.
mp_en_viaje: and from there on, "we aim to sell ~20 or ~200 or whatever item, therefore so many of them, and to get to that we do this" and on and on and on.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: propaganda/l2 growth is ~the~ project. and req's asciilifeform's 'weak arm' to properly exercise. which is 1 of the reasons i took up 'bake isp again'. but presently weak arm. intent is to use strong arm to build exercise machine for weak, among other.
mp_en_viaje: the whole tree is given there, too : 1. to dedicate life to X, X must cover your living. this is true today as it was always true, monastery provided monk wioth food enough to live, so as to make "dedicate life" possible. because, elementarily, if no food life ends, even if the monk stubborn enough to not move to greener pastrues.
asciilifeform: if you as matter of principle dun want to use an asciilifeform isp, plox to say so right off, rather than 'play with food'
mp_en_viaje: so you intend to grow the l2 ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have no intention of housing heathens. specified right off the bat, l1+l2.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's going to need the mechanized contact churner Pizarro never got. Even doing this in the reich with cheaper cages and more fiber, the thing has to grow to survive.
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2019/mp-wp-v-patches-markdown-plugin-and-the-tar-pit-lbs-post-importer << The Tar Pit -- MP-WP V patches: Markdown plugin and The Tar Pit LBS post importer
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 12:02:14 mp_en_viaje: <mp_en_viaje> this sorta-kinda-and-i-do-what-i-please thingee is of no value and no interest. if you're seruous about committibng the rest of your life to running an isp, we can talk about some business.
mp_en_viaje: scare them up*
mp_en_viaje: well, so therein lies the problem : your margin must >= your living expenses, else the "dedicate life" is a sorta joke. a coupla boxes from me won't ever support such a margin, so what's missing is what you intend to do about this.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'properly' == 'delivers what's printed on the box' and +ev so can be carried on in fact indefinitely.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform arrived already at conclusion 'must run isp for rest of life', apparently is the only way to get proper isp is to physically build.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to point to missing pieces, lately have been occupied with the actual bringup of the physical plant.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i intend to run the cage indefinitely (will house own www also.) and properly.
mp_en_viaje: <mp_en_viaje> this sorta-kinda-and-i-do-what-i-please thingee is of no value and no interest. if you're seruous about committibng the rest of your life to running an isp, we can talk about some business.
asciilifeform: to continue in the spirit of 'fucking document the how-why' -- to asciilifeform , thoroughly battle-tested 'dulaps' are actually worth 1.5x of 'fresh' . the type of defects that occur in these, follow 'bathtub curve.'
asciilifeform: if no one can stomach such delay, what will happen is that asciilifeform bids on the iron auctions, and may go anyway at own expense to retrieve irons if wins .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: to return to subj of boxen trapped in uy -- these can be transported for 500/ea ( asciilifeform goes with own hands ) and is +ev for so long as there are exactly 4 to be carried, and that they then to go in asciilifeform's rails. ( and at same time can retrieve all FG, incl. customer-owned, they can be mailed anywhere in world, but apparently uy has customs idjicy if mailed ~from~ uy.) this may be worth considering. all
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform cremations are carried out with thermite. )
asciilifeform: it is my current understanding, tho, that smg mandates cremation for all disks that it has used ; therefore disks must be owned by smg, and i'ma buy the exact type requested & invoice immediately.
asciilifeform: diana_coman & co can make this decision at leisure, after e.g. properly evaluating performance of rack ( and asciilifeform as rack gardener ) for the prev.-announced phree month of service.
asciilifeform: (however if new owner, then responsible for transportation cost, should new owner wish to move it later out of usa. and also for cost of any disk swaps.)
asciilifeform: also available for purchase is the actual, entire box, which i'ma value at 1k usd (not incl. of disks) . then will live at colo rate.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: no smg server on heathen mirror, no.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if diana_coman & mp_en_viaje would like to set up smgtron on 1 of the new boxen, plox to let asciilifeform know asap, so can purchase the desired type and qty of disks. there are 4, as before , disk rails in ea. 'dulap'.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you already set up mirror on leased heathen box, i expect you'll keep it, will bridge interval b/w nao and when proper fgistic, human-built irons are operational.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the 1 irons that absolutely must be retrieved, imho, is fg.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: right, i see it as unlikely (but afaik still possible) that the old boxen are worth picking up. which is wai i did not wait for output of 'what costs pick up' ; loading up on habitable irons already .
ossabot: (eulora) 2019-10-18 mp_en_viaje: chickachew, atm the server's offline ; long story, our uruguay dc died an unseemly death and in the process of moving atm
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the part I can't see is how can they end up better shipped from Uruguay than just bought in the US and shipped to you; re the rest I got it and it can wait; onth s.mg servers better online asap since uhm, so far had to even tell new players that no server
asciilifeform: there is a stockpile of emergency spare FG here. will install on request of mp_en_viaje , there is enuff for 3 boxen w/ paired sets.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: quickest way to put a smg box in asciilifeform's rack is to put to use the new 'dulaps' (due in at end of next wk). however you may find it +ev to get the piz boxen sent to england, this depends on exact outputs of BingoBoingo .
mp_en_viaje: honestly, we prolly dun wanna wait, better to re-make the servers starting this weekend than to wait for w/e
asciilifeform: ^ above 500 also is only, obv, correct for irons going strictly to usa ; to send elsewhere, would cost moar , potentially -ev. main appeal of 'meat transport' is that could also cleanly move the FG crate.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: by the sounds of it though it would anyway be cheaper for s.mg if putting them in your rack to just buy the servers in the us and ship to your door, no?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there's apparently customs nonsense threatening to get in the way. however ~absolute~ ceiling for removal cost is 500 per 1u (u.s. $) , asciilifeform can physically extract 100kg of iron for a ~2000 cost. ( this however would require 4 u worth of iron evacuation request, to be practical. ) BingoBoingo will say moar when wakes up.
asciilifeform: ( which is why i suspect there will be at least 1 new (if smaller) auction . or >1, if, pessimistically, BingoBoingo runs for a spell on personal battery while searching for work )
asciilifeform: hen mod6 (maj holder) + asciilifeform (min holder) to decide re remaining piggy , how much, if any , to spend on suit (supposing latech not surrenders) ; then potentially evacuate BingoBoingo , unless he actually finds ecological niche in uy
asciilifeform: diana_coman: atm plan is to properly handle all evacuations ( data, afaik, evacuated, BingoBoingo uploaded gpg'd backups, yours is afaik done but BingoBoingo forgot to send me login to fetch it before went to sleep ) ; after this, publication of cost for evacuations of irons ; after this , auctions of jettisoned irons, liquidation ; then to pay mp_en_viaje , he is owed ; then BingoBoingo returns output re cost of action vs latech ; t
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I'm really in no hurry re pizarro but since there's the talk re how much for the s.mg servers and so on - is there some concrete plan on how will this and all the rest be determined to tidy it all up?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-01-15 13:04:09 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in a quite hilarious conclusion to the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887012 saga : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-19775 << yarvin throws in the towel.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946274 << seems that they have a new schmuck. ( old one -- retired )
mp_en_viaje: holy fuckingshitsticks. how hard is it, you talk to someone, ABOUT THEM.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 09:50:40 mp_en_viaje: in the end i suppose whether build new or buy pizarro's comes down to what it costs. what does pizarry want for the two boxes used to run smg servers before ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946268 << BingoBoingo is working on a detailed quote ( transportation cost is the unknown; and appears that meat-powered transport may actually be cheapest. )
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: well, there was the naive assumption on my part that "how hard can it be"; fwiw though I rather doubt it really makes a difference simply because there is no real interaction from the other side either.
mp_en_viaje: but he's certainly made it more difficult for anyone coming after him. which is the exact fucking opposite of helping.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: and yes re painful + it was worse; no idea why is it so hard apparently to actually talk to people on the internets.
nicoleci: mp_en_viaje, well i don't atm know what to do. basically there's 6.6mb i'm trying to send you. i tried split -n5 and deedbot's paste still spits (1.3mb chunks, so the limit is only 1mb ???)
mp_en_viaje foresees a whole fucking ocean of these before we're done, much like the few good rockbands of the 70s had an entire fucking ocean of morons with guitars trying their best to choke them out
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 22:13:06 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathendom lint traps, new lolz from a very old lolcow .
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946199 << the spirit of service-eagerness is fine, but you're going overboard with the options. no, he doesn't want a pogo, simmer down.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 16:52:03 asciilifeform: does not know whether smg has the provisions to operate ~simultaneous~ mirrors , but if does, may be good idea to sit in 2+ racks
mp_en_viaje: in the end i suppose whether build new or buy pizarro's comes down to what it costs. what does pizarry want for the two boxes used to run smg servers before ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 16:50:42 asciilifeform: additionally , if smg would like to operate 1 or moar boxen here in asciilifeform's cage, i'ma happily service, either on transported iron, or on own stock, either worx .
mp_en_viaje: a cool! let's put this in then
mp_en_viaje: oh, is this the slutfare ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 15:44:00 diana_coman: asciilifeform: ha, congrats! honestly, by the sound of it, once you got moving, you found everything needed!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 14:53:27 asciilifeform: presently puzzling over where to get exchange rate for pricing; prolly will have to lift from BingoBoingo's auctions, for so long as they're happening with reasonable regularity .
mp_en_viaje: the problem of pizarro was, 100%, your joint an' several failure to build it a customer base.
mp_en_viaje: to be perfectly clear, nfi why this keeps gettting forgotten, and thereby needs to be reiterated : the problem of pizarro was NOT!!!! anything even vaguely or remotely similar to "general staff in same trench". in part because eg, i resisted moving trilema whenever you asked, in part because trinque similarily, and so on. we had EXCELLENT partition of services, and principally because you weren't involved with doing it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 12:10:30 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946045 << i entirely buy the argument. and will also buy ip -- when either asciilifeform figures out how to do it for 'toyota' rather than 'boeing' budget, or -- larger budget ;
mp_en_viaje: http://jswin.github.io/javascript-window/jquery-thickbox-fullscreen-iframe.html http://jquerythickbox.com/thickbox-not-working-with-firefox.html check out these fucking idiots, 1990s era url keyword stuffing, works a-ok in 2019 google (just as long as what it's pushing is its shitty jquery infection vector)
mp_en_viaje: if you don't change for change's sake then you're happy with everything as it is, if hilary didn't give you your rights then pangloss gave you the best possible world, god fucking love 'em with a sharpened stick already.
mp_en_viaje: this is the fucking problem with the "progressive" claptrap : it is the only cure democracy/retardation has yet come up with to deal with these other morons.