lobbesbot: phf: The operation succeeded.
phf: system. slime/swank doesn't do anything smarter than overriding them with own handlers, so you should be able to manually give yourself as much visibility as slime will give you.
phf: !Qlater tell lobbes not sure that you really need to introduce emacs into the mix, if it's not your first language. an exception in a thread ought to log itself, but you can explicitly hook into debugger machinery and capture it manually: common lisp has *DEBUGGER-HOOK*, which is documented in hyperspec. sbcl further adds sb-ext:*invoke-debugger-hook*. you should also check that those values are nil after you load your
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 18:27 ben_vulpes: lobbes: that the outbox table has entries in it suggests that logbot-start-pg-thread was never called
mircea_popescu would like to provide some air to the fine pizarro folk, but... !
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i gather, these folx inhabit a self-complete leprosorium, with 'rational', non-draconic 'explanation' for erry possible misfortune
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the case of stupid kid coming back to his stupid mother from "School" ie daycare, face all blodied up. case 1. "Who did this to you ?" "Joe Nobody!!!!" vs case 2. "Who did this to you ?!" "It was the cosmic rays!"
mircea_popescu: luxuries few enjoy, you know, the retort "ask your mother who i am" readily available for any "who are you" inquiries and such.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's funny to me just how PAINFULLY aware all the losers are, of trilema, of things.
mircea_popescu: motherwasalwaysiright.
asciilifeform: relatedly, any of the megablox crapola still running ? or all evaporated nao like last yr's snow
mircea_popescu: as long as i've not turned out the dole, it'll sit an pretend like it runs the world.
asciilifeform: apparently africa still not done digesting the null from the 'summer of shitforks' escapade.
mircea_popescu: what else can it be ? nation of africa is nation of africa, has not produced any new ideas ever seeing how ~that's what it is~. definitionally, if you create a "set of all morons" you're not to expect them to not be morons.
mircea_popescu: it's gonna be a "we're all equal and interchangeable therefore so are you" and "in order to swallow things too big to be swallowed first cut them into parts" and "if anyone gets in your way say the magic words" and so on.
asciilifeform found the pg by accident while digging for something entirely else, but somewhat disappointed nao, apparently lulz directorate produced 0 new idea since '16
asciilifeform: 'You clearly perceive immutability as Bitcoin's most important aspect, but others feel that decentralisation is the more important quality ... I don't know how you expect to maintain a decentralised system when the only participants are the limited number of fruitcakes running the 0.5.4 client' << gold.
mircea_popescu: i like how "crazed fundamentalist" is how the pantsuit says "people smarter than me" nowadays.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathendom archaeology, https://archive.is/FIxZc >> 'exists just for the crazed fundamentalists' << didjaknow.
spyked: in other news, trilemabot part ii will be published later today, with fresh coad ready to be scrutinized.
spyked: ^ ftr, I'll be away starting tomorrow for about a week. I'll use this key during the interval.
asciilifeform: mod6: let's do the sensible thing
mod6: Turns out that there is a mark-up, as opposed to a discount for yearly.
mod6: ah, fair point, i gotta figure out what the discount would be on a year-contract might be.
mod6: Good with this then through June 30th of 2019? ^
mod6: *nod* was just hoping to find that btc/fiat price. I never did find it. Roughly, I think the price was about $6800 when it would have transpired. But I'll give others a chance to chime on this before I make a June invoice for The Foundation.
mircea_popescu: mod6 really, don't dig through the logs worth more than what the difference is, you know.
mod6: mircea_popescu: S.NSA was paid up through June 30th, 2018 for dulap's colocation. We can do another quarter (back dated to July 1st) that will carry S.NSA through September 30th, 2018 for a total of: 0.06251472 BTC (0.02083824 BTC/mo). If this is agreeable, let me know, or if you have any questions.
trinque: but that feature is entirely intended to be used both for sending your BTC and for receiving it from others
trinque: (when I start expiring them, will announce)
trinque: and no, the deposit request wont expire or anything, in any amount of time that'd affect you
trinque: mod6: that is the way to do that, !!deposit
mod6: I have pulled up BTC/USD chart of Bitstamp (no particular reason I picked this exchange) between June 1st and June 30th. I can see that the price was roughly about $6800 per BTC on that day. Unless anyone chimes in very soon about what the actual price point was for the month of June, is anyone opposed to me using this rate?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 16:04 deedbot: Invoiced ben_vulpes 0.40847278 << "wire to the Pizarro DC sent 2018-06-12"
mod6: The Bitcoin Foundation will make a payment for June, but I need to determine what the price point was for the month of June. I'm going to dig through the logs to see what I can find, but if anyone can help me out in this capacity please let me know. Thank you.
mod6: ben_vulpes jurov BingoBoingo : I do not believe The Bitcoin Foundation was ever invoiced for colocation services for The Foundation's one machine at Pizarro for the month of June. And thusly, no amount was shown on the Foundation's June 2018 statement.
mod6: trinque: Question for ya regarding how jurov can make a payment for The Foundation's hosting fees at Pizarro: Is there a way that I can get an outside BTC address to give him that would go directly to my deedbot wallet? I see that I can do `!!deposit amount`, which might work, but it could be days before a payment is made. Is this a problem? Thoughts?
asciilifeform: jurov: any gpg bug , even in the sad 2.x , is potentially very interesting. i'd like to learn what happened .
jurov: oh it calls decrypt to compute the checksum of original unescaped text, prolly something left from the ancient spec
jurov: also there was expired version of your key, but it was expired since 2016, so that shouldn't be the culprit
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837291 i don't know either, only found this barf in the log:
mircea_popescu: well, so in that sense "will". we agree on things such as "how things should be" or "this is cool" or "this sucks" w/e in the precise manner.
esthlos: yes, my "wife" wears the white pumps https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2006/12/if_this_is_one_of_the_sexiest.html
mircea_popescu: but you do realise that "your wife" is not your wife in the sense your weight is your weight, yes ? you just want her to be -- hopefully both of you.
esthlos: not to trivialize, but are you a schopenhauer fan then? or a more broad idealist?
mircea_popescu: rather that we manage to will a coherent approximation of reality into existence. because it's what we're doing, yes, and we need all these complex tools to keep it from becoming either self contradictory, disjointed or else derealized.
esthlos: that we can assemble a semi-coherent reality is only topped by the existence of a semi-coherent reality
mircea_popescu: esthlos the problem is that it's neither dense nor sparse. and i dunno how we can proceed. moreover, i suspect goedel says we can not proceed.
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER they do exactly the same in this field of representation. MUCH MORE so, exponentially rather than proportionally when compared to the dragonfly, people sort and select through utterly staggering piles of alternative constructs.
mircea_popescu: the thing with that is, people obviously don't fly about the room doing 100 body lengths a second while catching bugs and jumping right out of inept frog's mouth all cool as shit.
mircea_popescu: alright, here : http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/#selection-51.0-63.503
mircea_popescu: not dense, but very large. the problem with it is that it's not dense.
esthlos: but surely, a dense subset of these sets are uninteresting? there has to be some mechanism to reduce things to some polynomial blowup. or are things really just beyond our grasp?
mircea_popescu: esthlos there's no other approach available besides interpretation. there's no some way to "read the true reading" in the manner you can ingurgitate an apple.
mircea_popescu: (and by "select group" above i meant "group of threads/"ideal objects sorted in trees" more properly speaking. not groups of people. this sadly isn't at all evident from context, but i caught it on re-read. half the time though, it IS "evident" on the basis of cousins six removed)
esthlos: hmm, but to be clear, are you saying that what any person is saying on any ~single~ posting is open to interpretation? because this sounds like hermeneutical approach which lead to the protestant uprising and other bla bla
mircea_popescu: hard for the not-exactly-ungifted peole in the very question, first of all. because well...
mircea_popescu: which is why it's so HARD to ~correctly~ identify actual cases of utter breakage in the sense of "alf is an assumptive idiot" or "mp is millitantly ignorant" or w/e.
mircea_popescu: the problem of indirection layers is directly an equivalent of this, because "what is this conversation REALLY about" permits in principle an open ended reskinning of every conversation. which is somethingt that happens all the fucking time, because we CAN discuss chess in terms of girl-on-girl on-cam action, and half the time we also do.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-31 19:32 mircea_popescu: fortunately, mathematics is simple. V is the set of all sets. by convention, the first index, V0, is the empty set.
mircea_popescu: you're perhaps familiar with the theory of sets to the degree the discussion of cardinal of sets in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594980
mircea_popescu: most [important] conversations are ongoing for many years. they basically happen in this select group of complex interplay.
esthlos: but not all the threads. conversations that go on for years and years? this thing is the fucking talmud
esthlos: keeping the summaries allowe me to track the threads of implications. i have nfi how people manage otherwise. though my rote memory sux
mircea_popescu: most (private) attempts to do what you're doing i know of died the death of the look-behead.
mircea_popescu: and when followed, render the logs exponentially larger, because wait a fucking minute, is THAT implied the other implication of item from three days ago ?
esthlos: I see. yeah, following the references, reading the trilema articles, etc. are half the work of reading the logs. and when skipped, render the logs opaque
mircea_popescu: well, alf's oft peculiar assumption set isn't what i had in mind when discussing information density. but instead, two aspects : on one hand, that the amount of learned refrences is staggering even for academic discourse (the academitards cheat, by selecting a very narrow set of possible reference points and agreeing on it in advance) ; and then the more one knows, the more things unfold, exactly in the manner i end up watchi
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 01:07 asciilifeform: my only disagreement was re the notion that this is necessarily The Right Thing for erry proggy, as some sort of counter to 'rmsism'
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-25#1837653 << recent example would be http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835763 and the few posts following .
mod6: ok asciilifeform, get some sleep. I'm about to do the same. we can pick it up tomorrow.
mod6: Can't hurt to have that hot-spare. I quite like the idea.
mod6: last point here: if UY3 goes into production, I think we'll just buy another machine as insurance.
mircea_popescu is not even going to ask what this overselling does to his insurance for the other machine :D
mod6: asciilifeform: correct. technically we should have figured out the quarterly or yearly contract at the end of june.
mod6: oh. alright, the price that I invoiced Mr. Popescu for correct tho right (what we came up with on the ~12th)
asciilifeform: ( unlike the smg units )
ben_vulpes: mod6: discount for paying for a year in advance, there are also two fuckgoats in that machine
mircea_popescu: if i understand the mechanics correctly it'll work fine.
mod6: anyway, sorry about that, it took me a few minutes to get the invoice processed. not sure if it let you pay that invoice before I did the whole !!v thing.
mircea_popescu: lol. aaanyways, i've no problem with the three cents, go ahead an' invoice.
mod6: mircea_popescu: um, I actually don't know what was factored in for the whole year. my guess is that one may have had a discount for paying a whole year in advance. where this number has a bit of a higher margin for month-to-month.
mod6: So the 0.03542985 includes the price of the physical box, and a charge for rack space. we broke this down into a daily cost, then multiplied it by 19, as we figured this out on the 12th.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-03 16:01 mircea_popescu: so trinque could it be possible to not be possible to pay the same invoice twice cuz that's the point of invoices in the first place, they should die once paid
mircea_popescu: ^ that being the "accidentally paid 2017 invoice again" item that led to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-03#1831526 and the change in counts.
mod6: he lead me through all of the calculations. let me dig some of it up for you.
mircea_popescu: i dun recall, did you ever include the rationale, past "ben and i worked out" ?
mircea_popescu: well the july bit above.
mod6: For S.MG's UY3 then?
mircea_popescu: mod6 go ahead an' invoice. i recall now seeing something like this b4 but no invoice either.
mod6: If you decide to go-production with this machine after July, we'll then add in the new drives (when they arrive) and figure out a new price at that point.
mod6: mircea_popescu, diana_coman : Ben and I worked out a prorated amount for UY3 for the month of July. It comes to a total of 19 days, which will amount to: 0.03542985
mod6: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform : Dulap's quarterly service was finished at the end of june. So we need to figure out if you want to pay for dulap's colocation either quarterly, or yearly. But it does need to include July.
mod6: I am hoping to get invoices for July out in the 48 hours.
mod6: This will be the price used when determining invoicing this month. I am working with / have been working with ben to get all of these settled.
mod6: All, one thing that I didn't know that I even had to do, was publish the price at which the this months auction for pizarro took place. It all transpired on July 10th, and the price that was used was $6800.
lobbes: Lol. "While parsing the input measurement string, there isn't a check on the server address (-c). In this manner, any string can be placed as the server address and will be executed via system. Knowing this, an attacker can execute arbitrary commands in the position of the server address."
a111: Logged on 2018-07-24 16:33 mircea_popescu: but yes, if you've got a competent spy you're not going to make her a competent kbd monkey -- for approximately the same reason people don't usually eat their children. acceptable substitutes for flesh can usually be found.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-24#1837590 << and ftr, "usually" is the right strength there. plenty of children have made in the past, and no doubt will make in the future, most delicious stu.
asciilifeform: oblig su joak : division commander notices that maxim gun emplacement has fallen silent. he walks over , 'comrade gunner, why is your maxim silent' gunner : 'comrade lieutenant, i've run through my belt' lieutenant : 'BUT YOUR ARE A COMMUNIST!' ... the maxim promptly begins to chatter again !
mircea_popescu: in fairness, that's more in the vein of "well... i got this here chunk, but hard to tell what it actually is, bring me a selection of hammers to hit it with see if it sings."
a111: Logged on 2018-07-24 15:09 mircea_popescu: i might get this inept slut a blog though... what'd pizarro think about giving my stupid whores slots on the mp-wp megaserver ?
mircea_popescu: but yes, if you've got a competent spy you're not going to make her a competent kbd monkey -- for approximately the same reason people don't usually eat their children. acceptable substitutes for flesh can usually be found.
mircea_popescu: i expect it was more along the lines of "you manage yours, i'll manage mine, tyvm."
asciilifeform: it went approx like this, iirc some time in 2016 : asciilifeform : 'if quality slavegurlz can be trained to do anything , mircea_popescu couldja spare 1 or 2 for ada battallion ' mircea_popescu : 'hell no, why would i waste any on such a thing; what next, i will ask asciilifeform to do field work detail in their place ? '
asciilifeform exhausted the current allotment of cycles to dredge up the $thread , perhaps will turn up later when i remember the correct hooks
mircea_popescu: "use the log" doesn't just mean, read here. use it, as the tool it is, in the sense of permit referentiality.
mircea_popescu: that's the overawing important point -- the reason we are so damned good today has a lot to do with what lispers call repl and biologists call genetics. if you can get a recurring loop going you'll probably win.
mod6: *nod*. The file I've got in front of me is a good start to such a reoccring information passing. It's genereated dozens of questions from me; once I have them answered, I'll send it around. This will also help BB get up to speed on what is what early.
mircea_popescu: also has the advantage that it puts the patters right under your eyes, so to speak. you get organisational audit for free with it.
mircea_popescu: possibly have a file with all the stuff you want to send people (because this process of -- think of it -- do something about it! has a lot of merit to it). but if you just >> alf.txt and then once a day or once a week or w/e >> gpg -aer alf and >> p.bvulpes.com then you get it all.
mod6: Which, conflicts with the notes. And to your point, mircea_popescu, we need to get better at comms & note sharing.
mod6: yeah, forgive me. i'm just getting up to speed on all of the particularities of what is going on here. I only ask ben to confirm because alf said earlier that it expired at the end of the month.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i saw two the past hour and i recall at leasta coupla yest which is why i said.
mircea_popescu: you know, far be it from me to hassle you folk about your fine organisation ; but it occurs to me, on the butress of experience, that you're running a very wasteful process in that every.single.god.damned.thing produces an interrupt. there should be some queues and some batching, you can't ping someone every.single.time.anything.occurs. yes ?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ty BingoBoingo . mod6 plox to confirm exact time. << according to the notes about the accounts that I received last night from ben_vulpes, his rockchip is rented through August 19th.
asciilifeform: ( and iirc we already have a thread in the l0gz where mircea_popescu 'they could! be trained to do technical works but i would not waste prime chix on soul-rotting butugychag' , so no particular reason to review unless mircea_popescu feels like )
mircea_popescu: if i take http://trilema.com/2018/it-came-out/ cutie for a sea trip and it has the misfortune of coming to life 500 miles out, it'll still fly over the ocean looking. and so must you, because until you're dead you don't know you're dying.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the nigerians were looking for a stupid. there's a fundamental difference between self-limiting and self-expanding things ; and i propose the nigerians aren't a relevant model at all.
asciilifeform: elementarily , the critters for whom the field does not today provide , are nowhere to be seen.
mircea_popescu: less than 1% of 1% of the material of interest to the ox is of interest to pieris rapae ; but the field provides for all.
mircea_popescu: as the cattle goes browsing on the pasture, so does the white butterfly go looking for cabages.
mircea_popescu: but whether you can or you can't, you don'tr know until you try.
mircea_popescu: if i can select one usable nude floorwasher in 250k imperial "accounts", then probably so could you* (*conceivably, you don't want nude floorwashers, but ~necessarily~ it doesn't matter what you want, the foregoing applies)
asciilifeform: i was speaking of the 'the offensively stupid poor. The costs of the strategic mistake of dealing with them' item
a111: Logged on 2018-07-24 15:09 mircea_popescu: i might get this inept slut a blog though... what'd pizarro think about giving my stupid whores slots on the mp-wp megaserver ?
mircea_popescu: moreover, these are different items. the chick with the emoji and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-24#1837516 are not the same. i don't expect you to care about the difference, but i do. to me it's meaningful, and in the end that's all it takes, yes ? exactly mirror case of the mats discussion above.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider eg that pizarro doesn't need to undertake the (significant, and unbounded) cost of writing "code of conduct" or "terms of service" or any of the other nonsense. things have changed. nude bitcoin is dangerous in the sense discussed in 2012, but bitcoin-as-currency-of-the-republic eminently usable today.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-24 15:09 asciilifeform: then , BingoBoingo : plox to power down rk 'A' and insert its stick into dulap , for reimaging, when subscr expires
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i read the 'how things have changed' piece and from the opening 'Six years ago that was even correct ; but meanwhile consider' expected a 'seawater uranium mining nao +ev' but turns out nope ; moar hieroglyphic sluts ? or what am i missing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: controlled techno-regress (e.g. in this case, from alphabets to hieroglyphs) is a perennial obsession among the jwz folx , the same people want to mandate earth latrines instead of watercloset, BingoBoingo's butane cycle fridge , etc. notion being, i suspect, 'wind back the clock to when we mattered'
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp, accurate glyph for lol would have to include sound" "so ?" "so we can't do that" "you can't do any of the other shits you're doing either..." "but a limit must be drawn!" "no, motherfucker. a limit must be drawn alphabet existed already. you're the no limits may be drawn crowd. fucking hang by your own petard, lol is a face emitting sound as glyph!"
mircea_popescu: i don't suspect she'd be in the slightest malicious ; but i also don't expect she ever controlled a box. for all i know it's an open relay.
mod6: mircea_popescu: I don't see any problem with it as long as it's all paid up and we can you or them directly for it.
asciilifeform: then , BingoBoingo : plox to power down rk 'A' and insert its stick into dulap , for reimaging, when subscr expires
mircea_popescu: i might get this inept slut a blog though... what'd pizarro think about giving my stupid whores slots on the mp-wp megaserver ?
mircea_popescu will unrate, i suspect the point is made and i really don't give that much of a shit.
asciilifeform: 'the moving finger writes, and having writ...' or how did it go.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would i. strikes me a lot like "breaking up". who the fuck does that, what, i'm monogamous now ?!
mircea_popescu: me either.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-24 09:13 ben_vulpes: "i was wrong, and the new piece lives at XXX" didn't pass muster or what
a111: Logged on 2018-07-24 01:56 mod6: <+asciilifeform> in other lulz, http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/bitcoin-knots-restored-as-the-default-upstream-ebuild.html << shinohai endorses prb... << yeah, wtf is this all about. srsly now.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck are you anyway ?
mircea_popescu: the puritan low-volume-comms thing is generally a losing strategy, both socially and personally, but ESPECIALLY so here.
mircea_popescu: "i am the guy who was going to go to the republica oriental but then went to rural oklahoma instead and 2018 is the year i explained nothing about this on my blog".
a111: Logged on 2018-07-24 09:02 ben_vulpes: i'd dearly like to hear what arguments were so compelling as to turn you from the path of wifebeating, danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-24#1837476 << more generally, actually : that you're so fucking private about what's doubtless a public point of concern, namely the strange case of the conversion of a member of the republic's lordship smells to me of a colossal wasted opportunity.
ben_vulpes: otherwise one implies timeless energy-dragon crystalline perfection of self, which is a falsehood.
ben_vulpes: then, sucked. now, suck less.
ben_vulpes: "i was wrong, and the new piece lives at XXX" didn't pass muster or what
ben_vulpes: i'd dearly like to hear what arguments were so compelling as to turn you from the path of wifebeating, danielpbarron
mod6: <+asciilifeform> in other lulz, http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/bitcoin-knots-restored-as-the-default-upstream-ebuild.html << shinohai endorses prb... << yeah, wtf is this all about. srsly now.
asciilifeform: will admit, the only psychiatric model that makes half a sense to asciilifeform , re subj, is 'i'ma put hand in woodchipper to spite mother, that'll show' etc
asciilifeform: ah, found http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/ << subj
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/the-herd-of-independent-minds-or-has-the-avantgarde-its-own-mass-culture/ ?
asciilifeform: then again forkologists are generally harmless idjits ( in effect give away btc for phree ) , while prb purveyors actively aid & comfort the enemy
BingoBoingo: Ah, the bonercoin
asciilifeform: iirc Funkenstein remains the unbeaten recordsman there ( operated, at least at 1 point, a shitfork based on cribbed trb )
asciilifeform: a+++ trololol, eh. i'm almost surprised he didn't go with the shitforks, for extra spice.
asciilifeform mildly curious what the man has to say for himself, will give him coupla days before re-rating
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/bitcoin-knots-restored-as-the-default-upstream-ebuild.html << shinohai endorses prb...
mircea_popescu: in other news, s.mg is definitely issuing warrants for trinque & ave1
diana_coman: trinque, that sounds the right approach to me
trinque: the "profile" is a giant wad of optionality about global portage state. I think the right move to make the portage-tree genesis as small as possible is to select *one* thing from the optionality, and then re-introduce options atop that as we see fit (for arm support, for example)
trinque: diana_coman: glad to hear your success with it. what's left on my end is to smash the gentoo profile we're using into a single dir. you can find these at /usr/portage/profile , which weighs about 20mb iirc.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: iirc all that remains for trinque to do re cuntoo is to integrate ave1's gnat into portage; and properly mirror the tarballs
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathen lulz, 158.69.54.79:8333 /therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/ (70001) << wtf ?
mircea_popescu: spyked the "is a neet" thing suggests some merging with http://trilema.com/republican-thesaurus/
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 16:54 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, fwih lisp is exactly ideal for this sort of tokenize-and-replace job. cuz ai and everything right ?
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837152 <-- ohhh yeah, /me remembers the three days of ai megapiece. I'll put this in teh queue. even a simple heuristic, e.g. ranking entries by number of matching words and displaying the one with the highest score, would be better than current dumb search. seems like a good middle point between exact matching and "statistical learning".
spyked: to pop another arbitrary example: "taie frunza la caini" is directly translated as "cuts leaves to dogs". dunno if this makes any sense to native en speakers, but on the other hand "lazes about" or "is a neet" is immediately understood, especially in context.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 16:53 mircea_popescu: spykedbot well, the google translate approach is dubious at best, but at least ~it handles all inputs~. this is an important property.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837150 <-- the trade-off for this property is that none of the outputs is guaranteed to be useful (let alone correct). whereas for human-curated db, answer (if found) at least makes some sense, even if not exactly what the user is looking for.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837147 <-- gah, sorry for the abstruseness. more explicitly: the bot goes through each line in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_expr.txt and if it finds one for which the query is a substr of the entry, it displays the definition. not very effective, it's intended as a very simple (<100 lines of code) demo for next trilemabot patch. but imho there's room for improving it even without adding google
mircea_popescu: We are the Pinay Tigresses which means that we are all pure Filipinas and are experienced Dommes living in Manila. We are into D/s not bs so we expect, no DEMAND, respect."
asciilifeform: nobody bothered to sit down and try and derive, etc, they evidently went 'let's crib from ancient su lore', without skipping a beat
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 02:42 asciilifeform: 'they cloink a coupla with the sledgehammer so as to break down the find into shards the size they can fit in a pocket, after which they stick it on their oxcart'
asciilifeform: the height of the plastic insulators suggests that they're throwing a coupla kV across it ( for 5-10kW of output )
mircea_popescu: the word is "rediscovered".
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 19:21 asciilifeform: oh almost forgot, for thread-completeness : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837154 << >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/astanin_kostylev.djvu << for the serious aficionado.
asciilifeform: lulzily, found usg's : https://archive.fo/JRjdJ << they ripped their scheme directly from the planar variant in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837192
asciilifeform: ( plenty of hf antennae in orcistans masquerade as clotheslines )
asciilifeform: generally you dun need anyffing nearly as solid as rebar, unless yer pumping 10s of kW into the thing
asciilifeform: ( the 1910s item, was approx kite-shaped )
mircea_popescu: nono. i mean, standard item used in some other application that works for this one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's the lulzy part, the 'standard items' pretty much guaranteed not to work, they're built to be used in resonant (single-freq, or at least quite narrow band) system
mircea_popescu: prolly best move then is to identify corresponding standard item.
asciilifeform: 1 interesting aspect is that the 'correctness' of the antenna dun matter nearly so much as it does in conventional 'periodic' radio -- for so long as the 2 ends of the rx-tx have similar ones
asciilifeform: the useful lit, turns out, is 1910s stuff, from age of 'spark gap'.
asciilifeform: https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1owCvKpXXXXXmXVXXq6xXFXXX1/Antrad-10-directional-UWB-antenna-6-8.jpg << 6GHz item, pocket-sized. not so simple to scale up, 2x2metre pcb is not off the shelf item )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tricky bit is shape, rather than material ( and for quarter-wave , you need a 2-3 metre on the wide end thing )
mircea_popescu: probably very thin silver is the way to go ?
asciilifeform: rounding off the uwb thread, for the l0gz : the antennae are the only nontrivial part. given as you do not actually need the sub-nanosecond pulses that are the subj of the 9000 dissertations littering the net, if you dun intend to kowtow to the 'fcc uwb regulatory' crapola.
mircea_popescu: it's amusingly cognatish, because russian botan, and also "bot" (muzzle) directly referencing the activity, and then of course, botanics.
mircea_popescu: in ro "botanista" (always a girl) denotes the cheap whore that sucks you off in the bushes. (yes, whoredom is stratified, doh.)
asciilifeform: tho there's a lulzy false cognate in modern ru, ботан ( orig short 'botanist' ) but in effect learned fool, 'dweeb'
mircea_popescu: eh, line from obscure movie ; unfaithful wive explains "how it happened", "i was going to get my license [meaning, driving license]" and husband asks "the whore patent ?"
asciilifeform: iirc subj is even touched in the ceremonial 'exam' usg makes'em take to buy 'license' (to spew rubbish into designated leprosoriae bands )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-15 16:47 asciilifeform surveyed what remains of shortwave , it's mostly empty, and what remains is largely these derps, 'texas can you hear me' 'this is utah, we can hear you' etc etc
asciilifeform: ( the ionosphere thing, btw, isn't exactly nsa seekrit, even the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825757 folx know it )
mircea_popescu: hey, it works well for the "earth sciences" fucks.
mircea_popescu: "south pole". it's magical in that they can "eliminate that by models"
asciilifeform: ( i suppose they work a+++ for the intended purpose -- printolade vacuum , dissertation mint )
asciilifeform: not clear to me how these are meant to work on earth surface -- ionosphere randomly repolarizes
mircea_popescu: "BICEP3 consists of a single telescope with the same 2560 detectors (observing at 95 GHz) as the five-telescope Keck array, but a 68 cm aperture [...] began collecting data on 15 May 2016."
asciilifeform: afaik the only inca empire that built one for hf was su, and it fell victim to chernobyl incident ( ruin is still there )
mircea_popescu: i mean, the "gravity wave" folk keep doing these large arrays to "observe" whatever.
asciilifeform: usg phased array radar ? they're uwb, yes, but for >10GHz
asciilifeform: lulzily enuff, found $subj during dig for whether anybody ever built a uwb antenna for hf ( 0-30MHz ). ( spoiler : nobody, publicly, as It Would Be Wrong (tm)(r) per hitler decree )
mircea_popescu: http://www.chineselanguageforums.com/small-story/tienzen-s-family-t151.html << for the curious. fellow is the adult in 1st pic.
mircea_popescu: "Second, now theory develops into a FAMILY theories. When one member of the family is killed, the survival members will quickly mutate to accommodate the killing data, such as M-string theory, SUSY, multiverse and the inflation scenarios. That is, the Popperianism is now totally USELESS."
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/VPdlH#selection-183.0-183.292 << pretty lulzy earlier stuff from the same tienzengong thing. "how ?!" well how the fuck fucking how, doh. all of pantsuit's in there, neh.
mircea_popescu: hence all the iron filings "experiments".
mircea_popescu: the one remaining fundamental (magnetism) is mediated by something so fucking ready to take wave frorm it was in fact discussed as a wave from the get go, and supported the early understanding of the item that later turned out to be a fundamental manifestation of interaction mediators (teh wave).
mircea_popescu: light, by comparison, is indeed mediated, and by something that somewhat readily does assume wave form (take the overlapping-mosquito-nets-over-sun experiment to trivially see this). \
mircea_popescu: anyway, as to the substantive matter, it's pretty well established by now that gravity, if indeed mediated, is not mediated by something that readily assumes a wave form.
mircea_popescu: was re <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: one of the things that never ceases to fascinate me re physics crackpots, is how rarely they grasp the sheer 'unreasonable effectiveness' of making ~political~ , rather than simply technical, cuts
asciilifeform: how did it go, 'the master won't give you the tools with which to demolish his house', etc
asciilifeform: ( speaking here of the drowning-water suppliers , i.e. the adelbergers, rather than the blind kittens )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: time passes, the coat of chrome , stolen from the respectables of the past, on the cuckitude, wears thinner , erry time i read something by these people, amazed at sheer wtf
asciilifeform: 'Eric Adelberger, one if the leaders of the group, “found Weber’s experiment to be completely unconvincing and realized that with a modest effort we could test his claim” (private communication).'
asciilifeform: (for expert entomologists only!) https://archive.fo/Nnvbl << choice turd, by associate of the infamous adelberger, re weber ( who was anathemized and 'unhappened' ) , even includes hair-raising passage re how 'generous and accepting the physics community was , to keep publishing him'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one of the things that never ceases to fascinate me re physics crackpots, is how rarely they grasp the sheer 'unreasonable effectiveness' of making ~political~ , rather than simply technical, cuts . ( observe, i dun need to read , much less attempt to individually refute, errything the strings people shit out -- for the same reason i dun need to read gavin's code . )
asciilifeform: wouldn't surprise me if it is being passed around, contextless, in heathendom, as 'make a gentoo sans systemd' pill.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: 'He’s heard of the Republic, hasn’t gotten around to registering a key yet. Even brought his gentoo laptop to my site this year to pick my brain. I complimented him on having GCC < 5. Thing even had Stanislav’s crapolade mask file! ' << ha.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in re earlier lulzthread , 'Freescale and Motorola decided to pull out of the UWB forum in 2006 ... If one searches for XS110 chipset today then the answer at Freescale website (https://www.nxp.com) is that “Page Not Found”'
asciilifeform: phf: plox to replace the sad bin sig on btcbase with this one .
mod6: Alright all, the TRB vtree was updated with asciilifeform's ascii-armored pgp sig.
asciilifeform: the tantalum filter cap on FUCKGOATS -- similarly 'margined'.
asciilifeform: pro tip -- when recapping, use, as i did, 2x the rated voltage of old cap, last longer.
asciilifeform: they're built nominally to disgorge their guts by tearing on the cross striation on the top of the cap, but chinese cap makers dun make these very deep