BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I filed the police report for the apparent theft. The officer read the potential for fraud into my narrative.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and iirc you already filed the fraud complaint, neh ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Second order effects. Very relevant to the damned, and they will accrue costs very quickly.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if the inflicted-costs aint even detectable except over geological timespam, tho, it dun do much for us
BingoBoingo: Contact with the enemy and all that. Anyways, there are ways to inflict costs on the damned without actually suing over the civil matter. Like a criminal fraud complaint.
mod6: Thanks for the info. Sounds like he'll be letting you know, updating you on a regular basis as to what he's hears, etc.
BingoBoingo: mod6: With the telegram he opened communications
BingoBoingo: mod6: If the damned refuses to settle costs WILL be imposed on them. How many and what kind depend on how annoyingly they continue to demonstrate badfaith.
mod6: BingoBoingo: What does his timeline look like on this, did he give you any kind of estimate to when he would begin 'communication with the damned'?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty. ( further re traps, imho e.g. python -c "print 11 ^ 77" aint much of hurdle )
BingoBoingo: mod6: His mission in communicating with the damned is making the hopelessness of their situation clear. To this end his is to use every tool available to make it clear that no matter what, the damned will pay far more than the remainder of the contract. After that... you know what they say about plans and contact with the enemy...
asciilifeform: diana_coman: will do. ( as for spam trap, until i actually get chance to move my www to mp's wp system, the spam trap stays, i dun have slaves to filter the 400+ spamolas was getting erry day prior to installation of traps )
diana_coman: asciilifeform: all you need to do is to tell feedbot !1 follow loper-os/comments/feed or whatever the rss is; re your blog I suspect the comments-in-here is precisely because of the xor hurdle.
asciilifeform: mod6: afaik (ianal!) is how settlements are made, by 'meeting with the damned'
mod6: So while you're just 'continuing to be a model plaintiff...', is the idea that our lawyer is going to review the facts from the compiled case-file/complaint that you've gathered while he gets his complaint strategy in order? As my assumption is that he'll want to have a meeting with 'the damned' and their lawyers before filing a motion with the court?
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: typically (esp. folx who can't be arsed to xor 2 #s..) comment re my own text in log, rather than on www. so got habit of this. but yer right, comments oughta go on orig piece.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: ah, and now I think I got what you meant earlier re feedbot-comments and yes: I have feedbot announcing to me in private the comments on my blog too, certainly; works great, too!
BingoBoingo: mod6: The third one fell apart when they mentioned they were audit specialists and got very Uruguayo. At this moment I have no other auditions lined up.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: uhm, do you mean that blog-comments belong in the #t logs?
mod6: So it sounds like the third group is more in the audit business; are there other 'auditions' already setup, or a few that you are in discussion with currently, or have targeted for discussion?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: noted, henceforth will comment there. ( in asciilifeform's pov is easier to follow comments in log, but really decision of author )
diana_coman: I'm just puzzled by the choice, nothing more.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: no, but why not just comment there?
BingoBoingo: mod6: He knows I was/am auditioning other counsel too, but is willing to act in order to preserve my advantage in tiempos.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947996 - also, wouldn't this have belonged as a comment there really? or some reason to comment on... feedbot's announcements?
mod6: It sounds like you have formally retained the 1st guy as our lawyer, is this correct?
BingoBoingo: Continue being a model plaintiff while standing in front of the arrayed tools which are absolutely ready to disproportionately impose costs on the damned faster than they are acrued.
mod6: If I read between the lines, sounds like the telegram has been sent? Or am I mis-reading what "screws" means?
mod6: BingoBoingo: Caught up on the comments from yesterdays post. Does seem like the 1st guy is the better option here.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-20 14:51:29 mp_en_viaje: people ~never change the machine names ; websites come and go. so i'd say 1/3 to 1/2 of the internet's like that.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 21:42:00 asciilifeform: loox at what the heathen noad registry thinks the domain is... and lolwtf
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 12:38:04 asciilifeform: fwiw when heathens are asked to do the things they actually advertise, sometimes very good service. e.g. asciilifeform asked coloco at 0hrs to fix this nonsense , and by 0300 hrs they ~did~ fix. genuine 24/7 repair, i was impressed.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947998 - yes, sometimes namely when it fits/is easy given their current setup and so on; certainly.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947996 - that would have been such an outlier reply that I'd have at least taken the time to both talk in more detail to the guy AND report it for sure; can confirm: no, nobody came anywhere close to replying such a thing.
BingoBoingo: As I was saying, very un-Uruguayo office culture. It's not as ideal as a cultivated relationship with an independent, but for my failure to have that... this seems to be the next best option for having leverage.
BingoBoingo: The impression I got from the guy Monday is that he, personally, was bored for a want of interesting work.
BingoBoingo: Which are different and unsuited to any actual task, the want more for even less than the Uruguayos.
BingoBoingo: Then there's the specialist gringo/Brit firms advertising to the "escape out of the US for the Switzerland of the Americas" scam crowd.
BingoBoingo: Other than the offering of coffee from one of those pod-machines, the office cultures observed could not be more different.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I came into the first one through having paid them for sit down to discuss the residency process. Things never got further than paying fot the sit down in that case as their rate for help with places I have to go myself anyways was rather rich for the task, but they were incredibly responsive and un-Uruguayo. I hope I left them with the impression that I pay for value.
asciilifeform: ...and if you actually have the budget to even try.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mp did warn, that the only way to get ~genuine~ (vs 'meal ticket') legal service is to retain and groom for loyalty a trusted specialist for yrs.
BingoBoingo: Surveying the local lawyers, most... to the extent they specialize stick to the popular bread and butter of family law, criminal defense, real estate (construction and rental as sub specialties), and the most routine sorts of contracts.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947953 << 3 to 4 years is an extreme outlier locally, would require marching through all the appellate courts with an intensity normally only PIT-CNT (Local Labor Mother Organization) and foreign (i.e. with money) investors have the endurance for.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 03:59:17 diana_coman: BingoBoingo: fwiw those new lawyers sound worse-than-useless to me, the type that will do their fixed and ineffective act but on your money.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947956 << This is incredibly common among the local shingle hangers. Kinda why despite seeming to care more for the damned's interests that my own... I wanted other folks to read that into the situation before saying the words myself.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-20 14:51:29 mp_en_viaje: people ~never change the machine names ; websites come and go. so i'd say 1/3 to 1/2 of the internet's like that.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 21:42:00 asciilifeform: loox at what the heathen noad registry thinks the domain is... and lolwtf
asciilifeform: fwiw when heathens are asked to do the things they actually advertise, sometimes very good service. e.g. asciilifeform asked coloco at 0hrs to fix this nonsense , and by 0300 hrs they ~did~ fix. genuine 24/7 repair, i was impressed.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 08:08:26 mp_en_viaje: hire someone when you're excellent at the job, not when you have nfi how to do it.
asciilifeform admits that slightly surprised that neither mp_en_viaje nor diana_coman made the yet-darker criticism, i.e. 'what is even the use of ssh fp on box w/out trng'
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the exact list of who forgot when or if "only i forgot".
diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes, mp always remembers it; he's been so far the exception though ( I had to ask for the fp from pizarro; I had to ask for it from mivocloud etc); still unclear how is this detailed account relevant but anyways.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 19:59:48 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if after all you dun need a znc , leave the thing switched on, i'ma reformat when next test pilot volunteers, until then will run trb , i want proper test of trb perf on apu1. but if you decide you want a znc, su znc ; znc -c will run promptistic configurator. then reboot, and you'll have it.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 07:57:25 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947933 << meanwhile did a 2nd pass, the result thereof should hit the rss feeds in a few mins. but yes ima leave it switched on.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 19:40:53 mp_en_viaje: (i do note that your 400byte letter omitted the string 65:75:33:c8:8d:95:9f:78:75:0e:06:d3:50:cd:21:71 or anything like it, which is plain silly ; but anyways. srsly now folks, do insert the fps, it hurts nothing aite)
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: ty, baking a reply to the comment. I was not entirely without that suspicion. They just hit so many of the local "Flavor of Aunt dumb filters" that the tone of the brain dump was overpowered by that.
spyked: mp_en_viaje, it does this once in a while: the archival job is placed in a wait-queue and takes a while to process. problem is that this worked only on the 2nd try, 1st one returned a 503. so prolly they're overloaded or something.
mp_en_viaje: hire someone when you're excellent at the job, not when you have nfi how to do it.
mp_en_viaje: delegation works on tasks you've mastered, not on tasks you've no fucking idea how to do. there's a great component of "get hired aka apprentice with masters" in tmsr, don't fuck it up with dumb lazy precious cuntlet antics
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 18:54:30 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re those '200 hrs' , if there are actually 200hr/mo required for any part of this, i'ma have to hire ( BingoBoingo ?? ) an assistant. i dun have 200h/mo hidden up sleeve.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947756 << lest this passes forgotten into the logs : other people are ~other people~, not supporting cast for your insanity. "hiring" is not this process whereby you scare up a scapegoat for later, what, you'll "hire" him for the job of being later "promoted in the field" to do a job you don't know how to do and are too petrified to try, child toeing the water from the safety of the shore ?
mp_en_viaje: it can be argued that this is the ~principal~ utility of www in the first place, that it permits things such as "reading trilema" only as a 2ndary bolt on. what it's for is to turn a [thewhet.net/2019/03/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-iv/?b=pedantic&e=white-knuckling#select][half hour trudge] into a five second job.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 13:56:34 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947779 << this might even make the first time anyone was hired to do lisp work in like... fifty years.
mp_en_viaje: www permits you to select, visually, a few target spots in a sea of possible target spots with default populations ; command line takes you through a serialization of the same thing.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 19:59:48 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if after all you dun need a znc , leave the thing switched on, i'ma reformat when next test pilot volunteers, until then will run trb , i want proper test of trb perf on apu1. but if you decide you want a znc, su znc ; znc -c will run promptistic configurator. then reboot, and you'll have it.
mp_en_viaje: re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947933 leaving aside how it belonged in the orig thing, not as an afterthought, and focusing on the znc -c thing : there is a GREAT advantage of www-for-config over command-line-for-config that can not be underscored enough :
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 19:59:48 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if after all you dun need a znc , leave the thing switched on, i'ma reformat when next test pilot volunteers, until then will run trb , i want proper test of trb perf on apu1. but if you decide you want a znc, su znc ; znc -c will run promptistic configurator. then reboot, and you'll have it.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947933 << meanwhile did a 2nd pass, the result thereof should hit the rss feeds in a few mins. but yes ima leave it switched on.
spyked: tool for this either way
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 14:12:22 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947792 << i also never used. in my eyes it smacked of 'svn', 'git', similar barbarisms; imho vpatches oughta be downloaded by hand, carefully, rather than to rely on mechanical 'load'em all' tricks.
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947814 <-- not sure what's gained by this, other than making sure that the mind-boggling weirdness doesn't occur. v.pl init downloads patches and seals, so the verification process still relies on the keys already being there. tho I'll admit, wget -r is not the best
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947811 <-- me too, though not sure when (if) that's going to happen. fwiw, I'm also using current saltmine to steal experience standing up systems, though that practice is slowly on its way to getting killed here as well, as intelisms (on the hw side) and kubernetes (on the sw) start gaining ground
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: fwiw those new lawyers sound worse-than-useless to me, the type that will do their fixed and ineffective act but on your money.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 19:40:53 mp_en_viaje: (i do note that your 400byte letter omitted the string 65:75:33:c8:8d:95:9f:78:75:0e:06:d3:50:cd:21:71 or anything like it, which is plain silly ; but anyways. srsly now folks, do insert the fps, it hurts nothing aite)
BingoBoingo: At this point we are not bound to any further legal expenses yet.
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/10/23/notes-from-the-second-meeting-with-counsel-or-what-i-have-come-to-expect-from-urugauyos-in-offices/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Notes From The Second Meeting With Counsel Or What I Have Come To Expect From Urugauyos In Offices
BingoBoingo: Maybe? Maybe the happy accidents that followed would have never happened.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc the earlier dpb ddos was genuine. oughta have properly turned on the heat then, thinking about it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Some of the graphs hinted at this, but...
BingoBoingo: There is the very live possibility after today's meeting that the internet weather had nothing to do with us as a primary target.
asciilifeform: re ddos -- possibly there aint any ddos :
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if after all you dun need a znc , leave the thing switched on, i'ma reformat when next test pilot volunteers, until then will run trb , i want proper test of trb perf on apu1. but if you decide you want a znc, su znc ; znc -c will run promptistic configurator. then reboot, and you'll have it.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: very good pt re fp! i'ma put it in the standard preflight checklist.
mp_en_viaje: (i do note that your 400byte letter omitted the string 65:75:33:c8:8d:95:9f:78:75:0e:06:d3:50:cd:21:71 or anything like it, which is plain silly ; but anyways. srsly now folks, do insert the fps, it hurts nothing aite)
mp_en_viaje: so the only way this can happen is if it can happen with a coupla edits, five minutes sorta thing.
mp_en_viaje: i'm not against zncing through your own machine so you can piggy-back test on what you suppose is ddos (but isn't) ; but the utility to me just about zilch -- for one thing if czech tubes take a break, i'll lose the znc connection just as well as i lose the direct. i suppose it'd save on revoicing, but honestly i have that setup to be entirely painless as it is, 1s op.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i really dun have the timeslot here to much fuck with rando systems, diddle configs, set up whatevers.
asciilifeform: the os is the current draft of 'asciilifeform-dulap' as earlier provided to diana_coman .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: item is general-purpose pilot box, plz feel free to mutilate any way you like. the trb is a copy of 'zoolag', can replace w/ own favourite build, or switch off, etc. there is a nearly full chain. znc is set to smoketest knobs, if using , must reconfig.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: prepared, however, box, if still interested. runs trb and znc ( the latter w/ default config, presently logs into fleanode as 'pilotplant' and joins #a , can fill in yerself or switch off by removing the crontab ) on boot.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Holding company shennanigans, these folks failed to put Latecho out of business 4 years ago.
asciilifeform: oook no answer, fella's getting the spiffier box! (can downsize later if wants.)
asciilifeform: for mp_en_viaja, i have the choice of 1) standard rk, cum znc 2) apu1 w/ 1gb samsung ssd, cum znc, and in fact prepared trb on it also.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to gpg ssh key you want to use (or otherwise i'ma gen random pw and gpg to mp_en_viaje , and he can put in at leisure )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: welcome aboard then, test pilot ! i'ma bake it.
asciilifeform later will set up publicly-viewable meter for these
asciilifeform so far saw a few udp farts on the line but nuffin that detectably affected bot
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 12:31:11 mp_en_viaje: as i was saying earlier in the proceedings, nsa could very well support this effort ; but it has to be fucking serious not penny ante flavour-of-the-week amateur show.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 13:48:47 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: uninterested -- then uninterested. and i'd rather find out nao, than later, so ty. i dun have the capital to spend fulltime, and find it odd that mp_en_viaje only nao realized this.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 11:18:46 asciilifeform: fwiw a mp-wp extension that lets folx 'download these-here patches' imho may be useful. but really ought not to be ~in vtron~ .
mp_en_viaje: life forms have no option re their genetics ; but man has all the option conceivable re the makeup of its mind. can use any dna just as well as any other, not stuck with the parents' like in the other case.
mp_en_viaje: now do me a favour and don't turn into the bush that grew up fast in the clearing, but for being just a sad sorry bush found itself soon enough overtaken by the actual trees.
asciilifeform: why ty mp_en_viaje . ( i appreciate the tutoring even if mp_en_viaje dun want to subscribe )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 11:13:46 asciilifeform: the 'solvent' part imho is satisfied by even draft 1. the 'expand' i think deserves more space.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 07:54:52 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947621 <-- from my (most likely naive, since I've got 0-experience on the business side of things) the concerns seems to be rather re. your expectations of staying afloat, i.e. sales, revenue, how many clients you expect to get in what timeframe and how that'll cover your expenses. there might be some of that info in the logz, but imho this is worth includi
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 10:56:24 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947781 << atm writing lengthy piece re subj (expecting to post fri/sat) and would rather not clutter the log w/ figures until then
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947800 << /me shall read this sunday, then.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947796 << while all the other chicks from her hometown were busy mommyblogging... diana_coman 's been... doing other things, check her out lol.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 16:28:01 bvt: some thoughts: currently feeder app takes 3% CPU @ ~2.4 kb/s when feeding data into O through HG, because the bottleneck is in FG reading, and lots of overhead seems to be coming from retarded tty interface, which forces reading of individual bytes.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 05:20:05 bvt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947746 << meanwhile figured out how to read from tty correctly, the updated number is 1.3%
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947788 << a there you go. now within what my notes claimed. still would like to minify it, but at least you know, livable.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947779 << this might even make the first time anyone was hired to do lisp work in like... fifty years.
mp_en_viaje: you have the great advantage of being able to "sprint" more than most, and do a lot of the homework "without even trying". but this is also readily a disadvantage.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 21:05:03 asciilifeform: ( recently, asciilifeform's brother : 'know what, mr p could design an os; you can't' a: 'why's that' b: 'he has the beard' )
mp_en_viaje: looky, you were a beardless 20yo at some point, but that's normal in boys. meanwhile you've made 30, and that's iffy. soon you'll be 40, just as boyish faced, and bitter-er for having watched all the others grow beards betimes all around.
asciilifeform: for what, exactly ? to meet the spec of a fella who aint even subscribing ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 19:01:43 asciilifeform: and incidentally, if asciilifeform cannot actually supply the service mp_en_viaje needs (e.g. if he needs a 24/7 staff of 4 working in shifts ) would rather know about it sooner than later.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947757 << quit squirming and making up bullshit. i don't need even the one full time guy ; YOU do.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 21:06:21 mp_en_viaje: and i do not say this idly ; i have made my own experiments as well as seen others', very EXPENSIVE, experiments in the same vein all over the world. people regularly sink billion+ in "tech incubator" producing nothing comparable.
asciilifeform: when , incidentally, will set the bozo bit on all the other useless dabblers ? throw out , for consistency, 'v', deedbot, auctionbot, all sewed by also folx who work for a living and managed to steal some time in which to do sumthing useful.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: uninterested -- then uninterested. and i'd rather find out nao, than later, so ty. i dun have the capital to spend fulltime, and find it odd that mp_en_viaje only nao realized this.
mp_en_viaje: it's whether you're going to be a professional.
mp_en_viaje: ~this~ is the discriminant ; it's not a matter of how great you can do at the hobby of this, when "real life" permits. it's not how impressive, or above-others, or anything else your amateur effort might come to be.
mp_en_viaje: anything else -- if there's time. this, however, unconditionally.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 12:21:18 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: propaganda/l2 growth is ~the~ project. and req's asciilifeform's 'weak arm' to properly exercise. which is 1 of the reasons i took up 'bake isp again'. but presently weak arm. intent is to use strong arm to build exercise machine for weak, among other.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 18:54:30 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re those '200 hrs' , if there are actually 200hr/mo required for any part of this, i'ma have to hire ( BingoBoingo ?? ) an assistant. i dun have 200h/mo hidden up sleeve.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947756 << you've got your priorities fucked up, evidently enough, which was the original problem ; and while you've been making disingenuous claims throughout, your dedication is still to protecting statu quo.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: probably for the best too! this is on *him* to spend more time on before it can be of any use (if it can be of any use), not on you; and pretty please, don't go "shiny!!" at it, it's not helping him either.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes, he has *something*; it's still on the to-figure-out list just what and so on; I'll update if/when something useful but not earlier and there's still quite a lot to clarify there even before spending any time on any code.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: iirc the point version your wp split from automattic shit-wp is very close to where mp-wp split from shit-wp.
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-23 asciilifeform: guten tag diana_coman . you may have noticed, i put back the bot . it was synced with the new autosyncer that was to get deployed right before piz burned down. i'ma put it as vpatch, but prolly wont get chance this wk, hands full w/ 2nd draft of ispism.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's orig. vtron did not make use of the net at all, runs a++ on boxes w/out nics, and imho this is Right Thing.
asciilifeform: fwiw a mp-wp extension that lets folx 'download these-here patches' imho may be useful. but really ought not to be ~in vtron~ .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 12:36:29 diana_coman: spyked: ha, that vpatch is interesting, I never really used the init part.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947792 << i also never used. in my eyes it smacked of 'svn', 'git', similar barbarisms; imho vpatches oughta be downloaded by hand, carefully, rather than to rely on mechanical 'load'em all' tricks.
asciilifeform: ( on costs piece however, spent no fewer than 11h! so asciilifeform is turtle. but sometimes turtle -- outruns achilles? maybe this will be the time? )
asciilifeform: in re time, most of it went into the 1st draft of costs article ; in the rack itself so far spent 3h (5 if including going there and back; 7 if including initial tour & haggle. )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947786 << there was a 295 (u.s. $) deposit at the colo house , but the rest ( will detail in new article ) -- went for iron . ( even if had no rack -- it's time to replenish my depleted stock of iron. )
asciilifeform: spyked: the flip side of this, is that my rack is ~cheap~. so cheap that my ~post box~ at the post office costs almost half of it . its expense is somewhere b/w my water bill and mains current bill. i picked it up with the knowledge that if i am unable to make satisfactory arrangements to sell space in it to respectable folx, it can indefinitely serve as personal net hosting yacht for asciilifeform (who was paying through the nose fo
asciilifeform: oduct that they will come to see as inadequate.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 07:55:54 spyked: also, I think this is useful as a feedback/reflective instrument. if you make expectation for next 3 months, then in 3 months you have something clear to eval, adjust etc. otherwise it's just ???
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947784 << will say this : several folx expressed interest. but presently i do not know if will have ~any~ takers: for instance mp & diana_coman have very specific reqs that i dunno if can in fact fill. they might have to make own, heavy-industrial hosting system. all depends there on outcome of the costs-draft-then-flame process. i do not want to somehow bamboozle folx into buying pr
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 11:13:46 asciilifeform: the 'solvent' part imho is satisfied by even draft 1. the 'expand' i think deserves more space.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 07:54:52 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947621 <-- from my (most likely naive, since I've got 0-experience on the business side of things) the concerns seems to be rather re. your expectations of staying afloat, i.e. sales, revenue, how many clients you expect to get in what timeframe and how that'll cover your expenses. there might be some of that info in the logz, but imho this is worth includi
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947781 << atm writing lengthy piece re subj (expecting to post fri/sat) and would rather not clutter the log w/ figures until then
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 12:13:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect to move entirely to mp's wp when i get to moving www finally. but atm hands quite full. ( it'll be somewhat tricky, will have to port the coad printer extension thing to it, and various other things i changed over 12yrs+ of my www)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947775 << i'ma do it whether takes little work or much, my wp is obsolete . suspected that 'much' simply because i have custom renderisms in mine, for the 'peh' examples.
diana_coman: spyked: I think it was initially tailor-made for trb really, hence the odd stuff.
spyked: when I first looked into it, I found it a little odd myself, since it expects a particular URL structure, e.g. mp-wp/v/{patches,seals}. but then I got used to it and even adjusted my v mirror to match. afaik v.pl is the only vtron that comes with this functionality
diana_coman: spyked: ha, that vpatch is interesting, I never really used the init part.
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2019/vpl-v-patch-syncing-bug-fix << The Tar Pit -- v.pl V patch syncing bug fix
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 16:28:01 bvt: some thoughts: currently feeder app takes 3% CPU @ ~2.4 kb/s when feeding data into O through HG, because the bottleneck is in FG reading, and lots of overhead seems to be coming from retarded tty interface, which forces reading of individual bytes.
bvt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947746 << meanwhile figured out how to read from tty correctly, the updated number is 1.3%
spyked: from my read of the post and discussion, that is
spyked: also, I think this is useful as a feedback/reflective instrument. if you make expectation for next 3 months, then in 3 months you have something clear to eval, adjust etc. otherwise it's just ???
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 11:13:46 asciilifeform: the 'solvent' part imho is satisfied by even draft 1. the 'expand' i think deserves more space.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947621 <-- from my (most likely naive, since I've got 0-experience on the business side of things) the concerns seems to be rather re. your expectations of staying afloat, i.e. sales, revenue, how many clients you expect to get in what timeframe and how that'll cover your expenses. there might be some of that info in the logz, but imho this is worth includi
spyked: and regardless, I'd like to at the very least see the deedbot sources published, so lemme know if I can do anything to help in that direction
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-21 12:19:48 trinque: on that subj, if there's someone interested in paid work on deedbot, see me! I'm not very good at growing arms.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947307 <-- defo interested and my schedule is open for changes/amendments come november. I am currently working a full-time saeculum gig, so I wouldn't be able to take this as a full-time thing, but I could do this in small weekly/monthly pieces, as with previous published work. so if you think this works and I'm th
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 12:13:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect to move entirely to mp's wp when i get to moving www finally. but atm hands quite full. ( it'll be somewhat tricky, will have to port the coad printer extension thing to it, and various other things i changed over 12yrs+ of my www)
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947571 <-- haven't been anywhere west of paris yet and of course would like to. I'm considering the possibility of spyked in cr 2020
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-20 17:58:20 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ftr asciilifeform's next agenda item, after cost sheet , is to put the logger back into service. 'ddos magnet', get some genuine picture of what this pipe can stand.
asciilifeform: ladies & gentlemen, please welcome back the designated ddos magnet, snsabot .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-20 14:51:29 mp_en_viaje: people ~never change the machine names ; websites come and go. so i'd say 1/3 to 1/2 of the internet's like that.
asciilifeform: and incidentally, if asciilifeform cannot actually supply the service mp_en_viaje needs (e.g. if he needs a 24/7 staff of 4 working in shifts ) would rather know about it sooner than later.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re those '200 hrs' , if there are actually 200hr/mo required for any part of this, i'ma have to hire ( BingoBoingo ?? ) an assistant. i dun have 200h/mo hidden up sleeve.
asciilifeform: ( concretely : 4 'dulap'-style units , while (w/ mp_en_viaje-corrected set of constants) putting op +240 in +ev, in fact exhausts the energy allotment (not overruns, but leaves room only for rk plant.) and there already were requested, counting everyone who answered, tentatively 4 dulap's worth . (5 if counting shared-box) . )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: not done w/ the 2nd set of numerics yet, but seems i may have ~opposite~ problem atm
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947731 << i do not believe this actually does anything. you can for the same money chant above the creampie, it'll do exactly as much.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 16:28:01 bvt: some thoughts: currently feeder app takes 3% CPU @ ~2.4 kb/s when feeding data into O through HG, because the bottleneck is in FG reading, and lots of overhead seems to be coming from retarded tty interface, which forces reading of individual bytes.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947675 << gauge nothing. glaringly absent from your alleged plan is the 200 hour / month time allocation for creating that demand, with clear by day of week scheduling. is it gonna be 8am to 5pm on tuesdays and 4pm to midnight on wednesdays or what ?
BingoBoingo: bvt: I'm sure they can try to work something out aroung your schedule.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 06:31:20 mp_en_viaje: incidentally, mylord verschlimmbessert : how's the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947499 notion sound ? either take a girl from home, have her do some nude work on the world's greatest beaches to spiffy up your blog illustration-wise ; or else i guess something can be provided locally.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 06:42:27 mp_en_viaje: anyway, i suppose the logical next step is for the remarkably productive bvt to do some benchmarking re speed of possible candidates (a list including atm the chacha and serpent -- knowledgeable folk feel free to propose more candidates) so as to have some practical basis.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 06:39:48 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947561 - I can see that; my thinking was not towards using sha1 but more towards permitting other-than-serpent mainly because 1. serpent is still snake-oil and only adopted-for-lack-of-better option afaik b. maybe tmsr makes its own hash function next year or something (ha!)
bvt: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947572 << allowing arbitrary hash functions would create more bloat -- either i'd have to use some generic crypto abstractions, or hack up the build system and unconditionally enable all the accepted crypto algos at build time to use them directly. it's only chacha and sha1 that are located among e.g. memcpy in lib/ and available uncoditionally. the rest
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 05:46:09 diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: why mandate a specific hash function (esp given that there isn't any clear way to base such mandate on "this is best hashing")?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 02:58:56 mp_en_viaje: and thanks bvt, megaworks there.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 02:32:27 mp_en_viaje: i also kinda like the idea of permitting each user to pick his own rng-hash-crypto key.
bvt: but how much of cpu percentage would we want to dedicate to good hashing? if e.g. keccak is in place, what could happen (but only experiments will show) is that the bottleneck would be in the CPU -> if the system runs low on entropy somehow and self-hashes (which goes through the HG now, should it go through HF? (would also make sense from Size/2 decision rule)), we'd have an easy DoS vector against the
bvt: some thoughts: currently feeder app takes 3% CPU @ ~2.4 kb/s when feeding data into O through HG, because the bottleneck is in FG reading, and lots of overhead seems to be coming from retarded tty interface, which forces reading of individual bytes.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 02:29:31 mp_en_viaje: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/10/fg-fed-linux-rng/ << the most important q here is, are we going to mandate serpent ? or are we going to permit legacy sha1/chacha ?
BingoBoingo: If they don't settle at all they next course is weighing which action imposes the most cost on them at the least expenditure.
BingoBoingo: The primary ground for damages in the local legal environment once again, are based on my lost income which... not going to generate an incredible huge number.
BingoBoingo: They have clearly constrained upside and very unbounded potential costs.
BingoBoingo: And derps still spend in their defense
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, the Fiscalia spends to prosecute that beyond the initial complaint.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: while it'd be quite satisfying to see the derps jailed, it dun do much for the filling of our crater afaik
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Further action in that direction by the damned leads to the accumulation of criminal fraud charges.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: supposing they give rat's arse re 'longterm', i suspect latech is in the 'take the money & run' phase of scamlifecycle
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Even the less than full press in the consumer protection docket, which is less expensive piles costs on them faster than myself as its a mostly diy job.
mod6: I'll have to admit, I don't care about all the rest of the noise, or whatever, my singular goal is to avoid paying out the rest of the contract.
asciilifeform suspects that settlement is the only way this could come out +ev
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The cap on their budget is bounded by their maximum upside by repairing the contract.
BingoBoingo: The damned's budget is 8k USD or less unless they suck at math. Their spending increases faster than ours because up until this enters the courtroom /me is an active legwork participant.
asciilifeform: but the decision is ultimately on mod6's desk
asciilifeform: mod6: i'd even be ok w/ spending a larger (so long as ~bounded~) sum, if we had some notion re the prospects
asciilifeform pictures latech reading the l0gz, and thinking 'haha, suckers, we'll spend N+1'
asciilifeform: mod6: imho makes sense to spend a sum that is strictly < than the cost of evacuating BingoBoingo . but not moar.
BingoBoingo: mod6: Did you get a chance to read the lawyer meeting notes yet?
mod6: asciilifeform: I think it sounds like a good place to rack the foundation's server (as previously discussed).
asciilifeform: ( all folx considering emplacing ~anyffin~ in asciilifeform's rack -- plox to write in. no commitment is implied, would like to simply gauge the immediate prospects. )
asciilifeform: w/ the new philosophy of tmsr iron being spread out worldwide, i dunno what kind of occupancy can expect in the immediate term. which is why began with dwarf rack rather than shelling out for the full orchestra immed.
asciilifeform wonders if he's thinking about this backwards, and oughta instead model the upper half of (expanded) tower as a separate numeric system, w/ same constants but Te == 200.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo and mp were right, btw, it appears that a well-populated rk fixture (and, possibly, shared-machine) are the only way to actually cross that bridge w/out further raising subscriber colo charge.
asciilifeform: ( ^ in the simplest formulation, a full occupancy that brings in net >200 $ (the added expense of upgraded tower) w/out eating into irons amort. budget. )
asciilifeform: ( elementarily, the irons ~must~ amortize in the given time spans, to cover cost of maintenance/replacement )
asciilifeform: ( in the black revenue-wise, that is; to cover the outlay for the machines per se would take at that rate 10y, supposing an improbably static btc exch rate )
asciilifeform will begin proper rework of costs draft #2 tonight. prelim. spreadshit however suggests that w/ 45% margin, three leased 'dulaps' already would bring in enuff to upgrade the tower (+20u, 10x pipe, 2x amperage) ~and~ remain in the black...
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 13:26:30 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Your way is a clean way to handle WP given you have had other things you'd rather do than clean the messes, a product of its time.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947653 << ftr would have fixed, that wasnt the issue; simply wasn't literate enuff in phpism to do a proper cleanup. ( arguably still even nao , php to asciilifeform is ~= cobol )
asciilifeform: DanielBTC (~macaxeira@unaffiliated/danielbtc) has joined #trilema << anyone know whothefuq that is ?
asciilifeform found that there ~remain~ 'microshit quotes' in certain posts, where text had evidently been pasted from wp output. will have to write a sqlism to remove'em, but prolly not today an' not this week.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-07-18 21:21:31 asciilifeform: sooooo... loox like all things die. and nfs hosting co finally went fullbore stupid. asciilifeform's www is hosed, they 'upgraded' php forcibly.
BingoBoingo: Qntra-wp similarly legacy system, trapped for the substantial overhead necessary to port the database holding the content. Qntra however is less blog and more wire service.
asciilifeform: the carrier where it lives, however, is terminally retarded, and it's to be moved as soon as i have a free hand.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my wp is squarely a 'legacy system', analogous to e.g. 'mpb'. i dun propagandize its use, nor intend to separately genesis it, imho mp has the wp question 100% covered .
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Your way is a clean way to handle WP given you have had other things you'd rather do than clean the messes, a product of its time.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 20:04:50 asciilifeform: back in '07 sewed his php wp with 'fascism' , it can only write to db, not to disk directly ; so was never able to use the bitmap processing , www uploader, related, features
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, the way wordpress updates, if soemthing gets updates whatever files you customized get replaced. Same if the theme "updates"
asciilifeform: hell knows. seems to remove the mutilation tho, w/out breaking anyffin (if anyone sees a breakage from this patch on my www, or remaining mutilated quotes -- plox to write in)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ty, that actually worked. ( tho, funnily, i had to correct the author's own piece, on ~his~ wp evidently did NOT work, his contained microshit-quotes!! )
asciilifeform: the human-readable urls thing in particular, in mpwp, is quite appetizing.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect to move entirely to mp's wp when i get to moving www finally. but atm hands quite full. ( it'll be somewhat tricky, will have to port the coad printer extension thing to it, and various other things i changed over 12yrs+ of my www)
BingoBoingo: mp-wp kills em already, and Qntra-wp code hasn't much changed since the cazalla days
asciilifeform: fwiw i dun enter text via the 'pretty print' wp editor, but as raw htm paste, so it prolly aint the editor that mutilates
asciilifeform: tangentially, other mp_en_viaje point -- anyone readily recall how to banish mutilation of quotes from wp? ( aka 'microshit quotes' )
asciilifeform: diana_coman & mp_en_viaje are the king/queen of the prospective customer base, by weight, and so if no one adds anyffin in next few hrs, i'ma work w/ what's been given so far for draft 2.
diana_coman: I'll wait patiently for draft 2, there's no need for sneak previews in the logs or anything.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: moar in brief re expansions (will address pedantically in draft 2) -- they will have to be financed by actual revenue, and BingoBoingo-style auctions, i do not have massive capital (and what i have, is earmarked for physical irons, already ordered 'dulaps' and will be purchasing yet-moar of'em once it becomes clear that asciilifeform won't live alone in the rack)
asciilifeform: on top of this, i have a gentoo for'em; an automated system for provisioning; and rk is 'most cpu for the watt' box that i'm currently aware of, is imho excellent fit for a wattage-constrained initially small tower.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: re rk -- i included rk plant from the following logic : 1) it was best-selling product in era of piz 2) i am sitting on a crate of brand-new rk that did not get invoiced to piz or get to fly 3) pre-existing interest ( e.g. diana_coman's ) in inexpensive www mirrors.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'fully populate' i expect will happen quickly when l1 finds prospectus satisfactory. e.g. 4 'dulap'-type boxen and 1 shared-www per BingoBoingo's schematic already exhausts the energy supply. at which pt i'ma expand to full tower. and diana_coman is right imho, this oughta be detailed in 2nd draft.
diana_coman: take all the space you need, sure; I just want to see it or whether there will be any of it.