mircea_popescu: "There was a problem with one or more of the NameServers you entered.This is likely caused by the entered NameServers not being created yet."
BingoBoingo: Let me know what the domain is and if any additional records are desired for the domain
mod6: mircea_popescu: what domain is she going to be using for wp-mp? (the script needs to know upfront)
mod6: alright, was able to decrypt nicoleci's message, contents look normal. about to try to run the script here...
mod6: once I have her account and other things set up from the script, BingoBoingo is going to take over and do the wp-mp setup.
mod6: my guess, ssh in, and do the what is needed from her ~/
mod6: mircea_popescu: actually not sure. i'm pretty unclued on the entire thing.
mod6: jurov: ok both tarballs are now in your ~/ : The entire /usr/portage ~and~ the /etc/portage (which also included a sybolic link to /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/amd64/17.0/no-multilib which I also dropped in there incase you needed it -- all of this is from the shared environment, UY1.
BingoBoingo: Most comprehensive mp-wp write up at the moment appears to be from lobbes http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/mein-kompendium-mp-wp/
mircea_popescu: in the meanwhile, once you learn italian you could read http://aretino.letteraturaoperaomnia.org/aretino_la_cortigiana.html ; but until then i guess http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-21#1843362 should make ok replacement for... whatever was the stupid shit you were reading ?
mircea_popescu: nicoleci when it's done curl http://wot.deedbot.org/027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF.asc | gpg --import ; and then item=`cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa`; echo $(curl -Ls -o /dev/null -w %{url_effective} -X POST -F "pastebox=$item" http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com -w %{url_effective}) ; it'll spit out a pastebin url, say mod6 <url> when it does.
mod6: jurov: make.conf lives in /etc/portage on shared env. will just grab the entire /etc/portage dir
mod6: yeah, it's on the same network. im not as worried about that, but i just thought that it might be bad to mix and match the portage files from what we have existing, to whatever the shared environment has on there.
jurov: yes, whole. why, it's in the same switch, no?
mod6: you want the entire thing?
jurov: mod6 good. Please copy over /usr/portage from the shared box to a new dir (don't overwrite anything) and I'll go on from there.
mod6: it's not the same box.
mod6: and i think stormy, the foundation box was a gentoo setup by ben.
trinque: mod6: what was the question?
mircea_popescu: the question of HOW to store sparsely is a re-implementation of the original question asked, in haskell.
mircea_popescu: im not even the biggest, iirc danielpbarron got 100s of millions of whatever from his remarkable claim
asciilifeform: store sparsely ( the mixability is periodic across qty axis )
mod6: Lemme dig up the one script that I have from ben_vulpes, the rest of the notes I think BingoBoingo has.
mod6: Oh you're gonna do wp-mp on there too?
jurov: I'll install/configure apache on the pizarro-colocated foundation box. Want to prepare for mp-wp, anyone has handy their notes pls?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 16:55 mircea_popescu: (something very similar was the original impetuus for mp asking ben_vulpes for candi [where is she btw ?] only to then discover after a whole day of basic-training-with-admirals that in fact the memory footprint for what i had in mind was ~infinite)
mod6: i have bunch of tarballs and things on there now that one can just easily download or whatnot.
jurov: the /ml/ archive
mod6: the website?
jurov: mod6 let me know when it's set up to serve static files, i'll at least copy the archive there
mod6: i just gotta get the time available to do it. with any luck the current configuration will hold up for another month or so to allow me to get freed up a bit.
jurov: no idea, will wait and see. ml should be eventually moved to the foundation box
mod6: now i've got one location where it's responding fine, and another that i'm getting 504.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, Mocky , et al : here's a lol : given as there is finite range of Q (minq .. maxq from initial board) and finite range of quantities (1 .. totalcount) , it is possible to enumerate all possible mixes, in a space-for-time trade, to speed up exhaustive search
asciilifeform: anybody able to load http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev ?
asciilifeform: then odd, why would it hang
asciilifeform: is the box under ddos or wat
lobbesbot: jurov: Sent 17 hours and 27 minutes ago: <mod6> We're getting 504 & timeouts from the ML
mircea_popescu: but the smallest possible factor being 2, two consecutive numbers are always coprime.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's the criteria, that 173 and 174 share no factors. if they do -- then x * factor +y and x +y * factor both work.
asciilifeform: ( observe that elementarily if gcd(a, b) != 1 and | S , they aint )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: puzzler might have all sortsa interesting applications, possibly all the way to e.g. defraggings in a hypothetical trbi
mircea_popescu: Mocky right, this is a recurrent problem with extremely meta-stable attractors, i don't expect in the end it makes ANY difference that in an isolated state it produced weird double-evens.
Mocky: from my pov, stacking down to *any* 2 stacks is the bulk of the value. but in my mining the stacks are going to converge to q q-1 eventually. and in fact large piles of q q-1 are sitting around waiting to eat incoming small stacks
mircea_popescu: then again, from the crafter pov, debalanced stacks not preferable, because of considerations of interplay between item q and bp q in the final product, it'll be more work to calc proper bp q for two stacks apart than for two stacks consecutive
mircea_popescu: i mean, from the trader pov, debalanced count pairs are arguably slightly better (so 1 - 9999 perhaps better split than 5000-5000), as mocky points out ( http://trilema.com/2018/algorithmics-problem-seeking-experts/#comment-126524 , and as i say, this advantage is indeed very slught)
asciilifeform: i dun know enuff about the game, but is it possible that player might prefer e.g. 173/177 to 174/175 etc
Mocky: mircea_popescu, does ave1's example of stacking down to 7846x173q 1592x177q, actually violate any criteria, despite that it 'could' be stacked further, it could not be stacked down into fewer slots
ave1: It does not matter if the two piles are mixed in the end (the loss will always be the same). But I'll have to start playing to get to why you'll want to this specific end state.
Mocky: 3 piles must contain odd,odd or even, even pair therefore stackable
ave1: Aha, I refactored the code to end as soon as possible, turning that back I get the same answer too.
asciilifeform: would still like a proof that 'in the end always 1 or 2 piles'
asciilifeform: Mocky: plz post the moves ?
asciilifeform: ( does not solve the game, only displays possible next move from given state )
mircea_popescu: fucktards. NOT ONLY do they do it wrong, but they ACTUALLY attempt to pass their failure for "how it is" and "move on".
mircea_popescu: "oh, it's so difficult to make computer games -- you spend millions and months to generate content, and then the players consume it in minutes"
asciilifeform: i prefer my grandfather's corrupted ver lol
mircea_popescu: (or rather : for something to be a move, quality-diversity in the universe decreases)
mircea_popescu: how the heck can you get a cycle ? "quality" here approximates enthalpy, it only moves one way
ave1: Yes, the whole thing is not guaranteed to finish (I used different sorting algorithms and even got cycles)
a111: Logged on 2018-08-25 17:40 Mocky: size of piles are computed by solving the two equations for x and y 1) floor(A)*x + ceil(A)*y = sum(mass) 2) x + y = sum(qty)
a111: Logged on 2018-08-25 18:06 asciilifeform: there exist qa,qb that are only miscible in quantities that are not available on a given game board
mircea_popescu: (and, for the esthlos of the present and they of the future, the "lie-tician" was a reference to lie groups, which is a sort of we-wanna-galois-too but with more symmetry, less comprehensibility and possibly much powerful-er overall. i half-expected he's going to start throwing manifolds at me or who knows what nonsense, take me out of commission for the remainder of the season.)
mircea_popescu: anyway, let it be pointed out how lulzy and innerving the recurse-dream relation is. "can't make the first move till you made the last move" etc.
mircea_popescu: also, it is imo a great mistake to limit the modelling in terms of 2 pile starter conditions. this is very rarely the case.
mircea_popescu: they have a town where you live ?!
mircea_popescu: but you have a point, in that investigating the "large enough" condition might shed some lights.
asciilifeform: there exist qa,qb that are only miscible in quantities that are not available on a given game board
mircea_popescu: q of diff parities are ; but in ~practice~ it is ~almost always~ the case that a "large enough" starter set is presented to that q, q-1 occur.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: q-1 and q are not the only possible immiscible piles
a111: Logged on 2018-08-25 17:47 mircea_popescu: the addressable quanta here is the single unit, of a specified quality. these are presented in groups (of the same q), and you're asked to reform the "minimal groups", ie, 2 qualities. whether any individual strand belongs in final-group-A or final-groub-B is however ambiguous until you've made the last move (recursive pov, the last move is tha first move, recursion flows backwardsd, like dream states).
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-25#1844421 << i had it pictured in exactly these terms, looked for some cheat, but yet found none
a111: Logged on 2018-08-25 17:40 Mocky: size of piles are computed by solving the two equations for x and y 1) floor(A)*x + ceil(A)*y = sum(mass) 2) x + y = sum(qty)
asciilifeform: it can be made to work ( stuff all the whole piles possib into the two lumps , then solve for linear combinations of the excluded q's) but dun win anyffing
a111: Logged on 2018-08-25 17:41 mircea_popescu: Mocky alf's mysterious disappearance promises he saw the problem with his idea :p
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-25#1844413 << ha yea i sat down to write the proggy and realized
mircea_popescu: hence my http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1844303 question, it quashes the "deterministic" notion.
mircea_popescu: the addressable quanta here is the single unit, of a specified quality. these are presented in groups (of the same q), and you're asked to reform the "minimal groups", ie, 2 qualities. whether any individual strand belongs in final-group-A or final-groub-B is however ambiguous until you've made the last move (recursive pov, the last move is tha first move, recursion flows backwardsd, like dream states).
mircea_popescu: that's the problem!
Mocky: I'm not clear on how you can backtrack piles directly though, as if they were from isolated branches, when possibly final 2 piles from mixed descent and not from isolated mixing
mircea_popescu: otherwise sure works.
mircea_popescu: not deterministic as claimed, the ~only problem.
Mocky: i think that it can work, i don't see how it would work better than A* if heuristic was found, but I don't see how worse either
mircea_popescu: Mocky alf's mysterious disappearance promises he saw the problem with his idea :p
Mocky: size of piles are computed by solving the two equations for x and y 1) floor(A)*x + ceil(A)*y = sum(mass) 2) x + y = sum(qty)
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 17:49 asciilifeform: all you gotta do is to take { floor(sum(mass) / sum(qty)) - 1 , floor(sum(mass) / sum(qty)) } as the initial guess for the split of qualities of the final 2 piles
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 17:49 asciilifeform: all you gotta do is to take { floor(sum(mass) / sum(qty)) - 1 , floor(sum(mass) / sum(qty)) } as the initial guess for the split of qualities of the final 2 piles
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1844275 >> why would you need initial guess for final 2 piles when you can compute them directly from given input?
lobbes: just listens to the notification channel in postgres
lobbes: still need to test the hell out of it, so I'm aiming for maybe a week (which, still gives me 2 months for auctionbot ETL. eh. will see)
lobbes: I've tried to design it to be 'modular' so that the operator can easily add their own custom commands, and to be 'vpatch friendly' in that folx can release 'whateverbot' as a vpatch that just extends it (in fact, this is my plan for the auctionbot)
a111: Logged on 2016-08-29 13:54 trinque: right. in this case I challenge anyone to find a need for a second patch on those modules themselves, rather than creating a genesis vpatch for their own module which talks to the db in postgres.
lobbes: in fact, was going to announce: I'm getting closer to finishing what will be a genesis for a 'logbot-command-router' in python that does the talking and listening with postgres (an older but relevant thread for context: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-29#1531123)
lobbesbot: mod6: The operation succeeded.
mod6: !Q later tell jurov We're getting 504 & timeouts from the ML
mod6: !~later tell jurov We're getting 504 & timeouts from the ML
mod6: anyone else having trouble getting to : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I don't have the complete list of assigned ip's, but from .204 through .246 should be unallocated
BingoBoingo: Right. For a comsumer VAT and sales tax look the same, but... ther is a substantial difference
trinque: yeah, seems like they're income-tax light and sales-tax heavy, eh?
BingoBoingo: trinque: THe substantial VAT here makes things complicated
trinque: dunno what the "home office" rules are there either, but maybe some rent gets thrown in too
trinque: a quick google suggests the rate for distribution of profit is lower than the rate for regular income, which is what I'd have expected, so conceivably BingoBoingo could be compensated in part through his stake in the local corp as profit
mod6: Is the 'unipersonal' like a sole-propritorship ?
BingoBoingo: <trinque> doesn't fit with my experience of running businesses, typically the thing doesn't post any substantial income in the startup phase << THe big tax incurred would be VAT
trinque: doesn't fit with my experience of running businesses, typically the thing doesn't post any substantial income in the startup phase
mod6: Well, it's ~$4500 to buy a pre-built corp. Then alf & myself would have to fly down and sign the articles of organization.
trinque: "hurr they are for xen tenements"
mod6: It sounds like, "Be legally established within the region and use the resources in LACNIC's coverage area."
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if it's just a matter of having all the ips answer when pinged -- we can have that cured without much sweat
ben_vulpes: iirc lacnic wants to see the existing block more heavily used than it is right now before allocating more, BingoBoingo was there something else incorporation that LACNIC wanted to see?
mod6: BingoBoingo: whatever you don't spend, just hang on to it, and we'll tally it up at EOM for the books.
mod6: I haven't even considered IP registration.. was there a inititive to get a block of our own from ICANN?
asciilifeform: 3 then
asciilifeform: the 'cheat' is that for ~any~ pile in the tree, you know that it had to result from one of 2 possible merges.
mod6: asciilifeform: Good to go for us to buy another round of SSDs? (apparently this time we can only get 3 at a time)
mircea_popescu: seems to me the complexity of this will be massive.
asciilifeform: but the way it goes, is to recurse along all valid paths, and mark the traversals that result in initial-state piles being successfully 'eaten'
mircea_popescu: considering how much lisp i read... possibly not even then!
asciilifeform: there's a strong chance this won't make sense until shown as lisp proggy.
mircea_popescu shall proceed to coffee with diana_coman in a few, but thereafter will be back, so no worries.
mircea_popescu: suppose i have stacks of 10k each with qualities from 50 to 150. average q is 100. now, how do i split these 100 stacks into two subsets ?
mircea_popescu: 2. you split the starting set into two sub sets by the criteria ? and without splitting stacks ?
mircea_popescu: so 1. calculate q so that n q + m (q+1) = S (the sum of the count-quality products for the entire starting set)
asciilifeform: evaluating proposed split of set is very easy, you check that the sum(n_...) and weighed avg of the component Qs are in spec.
BingoBoingo: But all comments are being attributed to "the family" suggesting he is already very close to Potato if not already there
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The latest round appears to already have started
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo good god, are they now gonna do a bunchga herp derp about how important the moron is and how irreplaceable the scrapping ?
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 04:04 mircea_popescu: the ~other~ good approach is 1. calculate average quality as a real ; 2. calculate the integer piles of consecutive qualities this reduces to (you'll never get an irrational value through 1, which in itself is a very itneresting lemma) ; 3. try all pile pairs in some (random ?) order for producing either of the two expected qualities.
asciilifeform: if you want optimal decomposition, you keep all valid ones and pick the shortest.
asciilifeform: one of the two attempts will turn up a valid decomposition.
asciilifeform: then attempt to permute the list into two sublists which satisfy the recurrence. if the recursion comes up empty, you slide the guess tuple forward by 1. (there is no need to do this more than once, avg of the final 2 piles cannot exceed that of the entire thing)
asciilifeform: in the case of Mocky's example, this will be initially 172,173
asciilifeform: all you gotta do is to take { floor(sum(mass) / sum(qty)) - 1 , floor(sum(mass) / sum(qty)) } as the initial guess for the split of qualities of the final 2 piles
asciilifeform: in turn both of the piles that went into n1 (and likewise n2) satisfy same recurrence, n1_a * q1_a + n1_b + q1_b = n1*q1 ; n2_a * q2_a + n2_b + q2_b = n2*q2 .
asciilifeform: observe that the final 2 piles always satisfy the form n1*q1 + n2*q2 = S , where S is the sum of the masses (n_x * q_x for all x)
asciilifeform: know what, i can post the answer, and somebody else can turn into proggy if he feels like
asciilifeform: wait an' see, i suspect mircea_popescu will like the answ
mircea_popescu: "Solution (.Sln) File - msdn.microsoft.com The new home for Visual Studio documentation is Visual Studio 2017 Documentation on docs.microsoft.com. The latest version of this topic can be found at Solution (.Sln) File. A solution is a structure for organizing projects in Visual Studio. The solution maintains the state information for projects ..."
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 21:47 mircea_popescu: so far that's even the reason empire crossed the threshold into oblivion ( i'm too lazy to dig up ye olde trilema where i say "state may exist for as long as it so closely mimmicks my will i can't discern it's there, and not one second past that" ) and now must be destroyed. had it had the sense (rather, the capacity) to maintain both forms, i'd nwever have even noticed it, and it could have continued to exist therefore.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816827 << dug up! it's http://trilema.com/2014/on-the-superiority-of-monarchy-or-adnotations-to-why-the-worst-get-on-top/#selection-153.0-153.557
mircea_popescu: anyway, i expect the "hard" case would revolve around powers of two, so i'm guessing checkermark pairings probably deliver the hardest case (for current pairwise mixing). say in 8 bit : 85 items q170, 146 items q 73, 219 items q109 and so on.
asciilifeform: currently i suspect that any 2 miscible-q piles can be merged in either 1 or 2 steps. but too tired to attempt proof just nao
mircea_popescu: the ~other~ good approach is 1. calculate average quality as a real ; 2. calculate the integer piles of consecutive qualities this reduces to (you'll never get an irrational value through 1, which in itself is a very itneresting lemma) ; 3. try all pile pairs in some (random ?) order for producing either of the two expected qualities.
mircea_popescu: Mocky he means the x% is never < 50% and rarelyt <80%
mircea_popescu: so far, the correct approach seems to be : 1. select the outlier piles (highest q, lowest q). 2. mix the smaller of the two with such a fraction of the larger of the two as can be done. 3. repeat. if 2 fails, move inwardly on the pair list.
asciilifeform: Mocky: the lolcatcheatsheet suggests that any legal move is able to reduce a pile at least in half
Mocky: i'm going to take a minute and verify that. but i expect you to be right, and then im gonna come back and say "ah, but i chose a bad example"
mircea_popescu: Mocky : mix 1q1 with 99q 1001. new set is now 100q1k, 100q991, 1q 1001. then mix 1q1001 with 9q991. new set is 100q1k, 91q991, 10q992.
Mocky: the 1xq1 item has a tiny mass compared to the 200 ~q1000 items, and will resolve into the q1000 pile. theres no way to mix a q1 up to q1000 using only ~q1000 items in 10 or less moves. it's just got a long way to go
Mocky: neither could it be done in 3*P. my given example I'd wager 50/50 if it could be done in 4*P
asciilifeform: ( any qa-qb miscible pair of piles, can be merged in either 1 ( corresponding to the inner matrices having white line on diagonal ) moves, or 2 ( corresponding to those which do not ) .
asciilifeform: i'ma leave the proof for conjecture #2 here :
mod6: i read that they're abundant nao tho
mircea_popescu: i recall this being a topic at c1, and me going "oh, there'll be bots"
mircea_popescu: it's mockybot these days tho. he finally released one that works, i've been mining with it all week.
asciilifeform didn't make tops in arkanoid as a kid, either, can live with this
asciilifeform: hey i'm playing it!111 rigthere!
mircea_popescu wipes tear from eye, brought forth by how eulora will entertain even the blackhearted heretics who won't "play" it. it is a tear of joyous schadenfreunde.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-23 21:29 Mocky: for example this pile of 4 requires 2 moves: 1x1q 100x1000q 100x1001q 1x2001q, while if you do it without the last pile: the remaining 3 require 20 steps
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i love the pretense that dumb whale has "a life".
asciilifeform: then mircea_popescu's proof for this is proof also for $conjecture, lol
mircea_popescu: im right, im right. there's a reason we're using "two stacks of diff parities" as stop condition.
asciilifeform: ( and as i understand it, if yer right, then my conjecture must be true )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if my conjecture is troo, then you're right
mircea_popescu: 3 or more piles of diff q are always miscible further.
mircea_popescu: there can't be inmiscible more-than-two-not-same-q piles.
asciilifeform: as i see it, this makes for new algo : 1) make list of immiscible piles, henceforth do not iterate with these 2) iterate through possible mixes, solving eqn for Na (for known Nb, entirety of pile B) and k exists . until you end with solely immiscible Q pairs. then stop.
mircea_popescu: one obvious strategy : make q1 piles of everything, then min-max them, sorta like bubble sort.
mircea_popescu: now mind you, we have no proof that this is correct approach. maybe by strewning out piles you get better results in the end.
asciilifeform: when the 1st pile disappearance
asciilifeform: ditto all the way until move 31
mircea_popescu: put x% of stack a in stack b === mix stack b with portion of a and place the result where stack b stood before.
mircea_popescu: see, you want to fewerize the stacks.
mircea_popescu: mixes a whole stack with a portion of another
mircea_popescu: the thing is : if you mix portions of both stacks you gain ~nothing.
asciilifeform: nao we haven't yet the proof, but seems like we can conjecture that if |qa - qb| = 1, then piles with qa and qb are immiscible in any ratio; elsewise, yes mixable, in a ratio that can be found, i suspect, in O(1) .
mircea_popescu: Mocky check it up, in the end possibru LOOKUP TABLE!
asciilifeform: black squares correspond, therefore, to values of qa and qb for which no solutions are possible
mircea_popescu: is this the map of mixings
asciilifeform: is the method obvious here or should i describe
mircea_popescu: pro-tip : the older set of veterans got fucked.)
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 00:30 asciilifeform: ( currently seems to stick to preying on the bottom half of the bell curve, mostly, but i suspect this won't last )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1844008 << the criterion rather seems to be "old[er] male". which even has a lot of historical backing (perhaps most amusing of which, anyone know how the problem of double-spent land grants was solved upon the death of caesar ?
mircea_popescu: this function is neither derivable nor even continuous. can call it eulora mix function or w/e.
mircea_popescu: seems to me that EXACTLY like in the original case of the diophantine approach to "just how many primes are there" we've in fact drawn a conical here in a multi-dimesional space.
mircea_popescu: consider the intervals of N (0...a], (0...b]. for two arbitrary values from N, p, q. the sum of the series-product in the ring modulo-sum is ~sometimes~ 0.
asciilifeform: what i got thus far, is that Na(Qa - k) + Nb(Qb - k) = 0 admits solutions ( some Na, Nb ) for certain Qa,Qb but not others.
mircea_popescu: it comes to the same thing.
mircea_popescu: though our constraint is narrower than "not admit factors", but if you do the whole thing in modulo-ai+bi...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform specifically via diophantine : if a and b is a natural interval then a*p + b * q (p, q arbitrary constants) will not admit factors ever so often (when they sum to a prime)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my observation was, the old algo rejects some legal moves (e.g. 4,7 )
mircea_popescu: closed form is closed form, fuck you and mz. heuristics tied together to the same pole.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 00:21 mod6: Unless you want to also do us the favor of taking the additional 100mn ECU, and just !!pay'ing 1.2 BTC back to Pizarro. Totally up to you. We appreciate very much your efforts on this. I think we'll find a way eventually.
asciilifeform: ( esp if you think there's an alarm, connected to gestapo , with current sensor )
BingoBoingo: They only happen here ~10 feet up on top of unelectrified barriers.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-23 22:41 BingoBoingo: If you come to Uruguay, avoid the shrimp pastas. Very underwhelming as a rule.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amusing chinesium, they click/spark etc.
BingoBoingo: Some here top there fences with small electric fences. Stotting behavior
BingoBoingo: Seriously, here they have metal fences around everything. Totally decorative
asciilifeform: trinque: the way i conceptualize it, yes errybody has sr-90 in their bones. but some folx live right on top of reactor 4 , and others not
mircea_popescu: they're fixated on metalwork.
trinque: where is the wonderland without "oops X fucked your Y" and I'll pack today
asciilifeform: when ant specifically targeted, it's short shrift , 10y ago they would've tried you for your woman's illicit fox coat, or that d00d with the 'illegal wood' guitar, etc. today not even this needed , 'ooops police broke wrong door' etc
asciilifeform: either worx.
trinque: they're not staffed for that
trinque: this imagined circumstance where they're even 5% effective is just that.
asciilifeform: trinque: usg tax code weighs, what, 15 tonnes ? didja srsly read all of it ? betcha there's 9001 ways to hang you, me, any other zek, in'ere, if needed.
mircea_popescu: yes, "you understant how esltard chicks mate", dates, whatever. looky here : the cunt will fill up, there's no method. there's only fashion, and fashion's a) irrational and b) unreliable.
mircea_popescu: trinque the proposition is that to believe you understand "the method" is a nonsense stance, in a circumstance where "the method" is mere pretense.
mircea_popescu: herr heinrich who used to have a nuts and botls factory which hitler took from him because "we had a dreirich younger and better and managing your factory" or which stalin took from him "Because factories don't belong with heinrichs", in the end the same thing occured.
trinque: sure, only thing I'd counter is the game by which they steal is the same test-taking nonsense seen elsewhere
a111: Logged on 2017-06-29 17:32 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8142 << "Her attorney informed us this morning, that although the deed is being assigned to my sister, my brother and I, that if my mother requires nursing home care through Medicare at any point over the next five years, that the Feds will take the house to pay the bills. "
mircea_popescu: well, it's the argument he's bringing. "whether the pantsuit "nationalize" property for reasons to do with the property, like the soviet-pantsuit, or for reasons to do with you, like the nazi-pantsuit, fact remains they're stealing shit because they're socialists, that's what they do"
mircea_popescu: what's the ratio of those to men > 50 who ~used~ to own a house ?
asciilifeform: 20th c was century of dekulakizations, where 'these motherfuckers won't give up their hard currency to socialist motherland, let's light fire under their feet', typically shooting was not 1st step, but last step, of algo
asciilifeform: if history's any guide, they're still in the 'first we'll try and starve the judenschwein, make'em unemployable, then they'll sell their gold to good aryans on their own power' stage of the algo
trinque can't argue it wont happen, or whether I have to shoot somebody breaking in tonight, or...
asciilifeform: not even speaking of whatever part of you is denominated in fiatola, ~that~ they can pick up and walk off with whenever feel like it, without even arrests or trials