(trilema) mike_c: lots of trading volume is not a good thing, or the goal of a market maker. goal of a market maker should be to keep the price near the intrinsic value of the asset.
(trilema) mike_c: jurov: how are you trying to make it move? more volume isn't really a goal is it?
(trilema) mike_c: gribble needs a _ operator
(trilema) mike_c: ;;calc 105.599253 / 166.97404975
(trilema) mike_c: more kids die from the pool than from guns.
(trilema) mike_c: a true father would advocate the stoning to death of a christian son.
(trilema) mike_c: craziness. good to know people have always been as dumb as they are today.
(trilema) mike_c: stories are fun
(trilema) mike_c: TomServo: did she make you get it for her? :)
(trilema) mike_c: then his warface sucks.
(trilema) mike_c: no. my father never hit me (mom did spanking), but i was more scared of him than her.
(trilema) mike_c: point being if they are single digits you should be able to silence them with your warface.
(trilema) mike_c: oxycodone
(trilema) mike_c: whoop, now i gotta give him percocet instaed of beatings :)
(trilema) mike_c: true. well, I'll report back in a few years.
(trilema) mike_c: help what? beating is attention, which is what they want.
(trilema) mike_c: what do i care if he wants to roll on the ground at the mall and scream? go for it.
(trilema) mike_c: beating = more screaming.
(trilema) mike_c: idk that beatings help. i think i will just go with ignoring in that situation.
(trilema) mike_c: "“Let’s put aside for the moment that by far, the most dangerous thing you did to your child that day was put him in a car and drive someplace with him. About 300 children are injured in traffic accidents every day — and about two die. That’s a real risk"
(trilema) mike_c: she made national news for letting her 9 yr old ride the subway alone
(trilema) mike_c: from punkman's link on leaving your child in the car
(trilema) mike_c: ooh, i like this lenore skenazy woman
(trilema) mike_c: i don't see angels stopping by argentina with golden messages from aliens
(trilema) mike_c: well, joseph smith did get those golden plates or whatever..
(trilema) mike_c: heh, you mean like religion? the church keep pushing that nuttery everywhere.
(trilema) mike_c: ah, i was 10 hours away from reading that. thx.
(trilema) mike_c: i don't know what pankkake feeds that penguin.
(trilema) mike_c: speaking of s.nsa, May report coming soon? (mpoe too)
(trilema) mike_c: it seemed to me the only reason he got fined was that his feedzbirdz investors didn't make money.
(trilema) mike_c: i think if you scoured the entire logs you couldn't find one example of ascii promoting s.nsa shares
(trilema) mike_c: %tslb
(trilema) mike_c: buy the dip! (unless it keeps going down)
(trilema) mike_c: you need some tips on this?
(trilema) mike_c: obviously you shoulda bought at 1.35.
(trilema) mike_c: how'd the euro end up today? any new cool huge pictures?
(trilema) mike_c: obviously kako, but don't confuse him with the advanced shit yet.
(trilema) mike_c: it was actually the reverse, the price dropping killed gox.
(trilema) mike_c: doh, i coulda swore that worked
(trilema) mike_c: also fyi, to multiply by 1000 you just add 3 zeros ;)
(trilema) mike_c: for those of you who have the misfortune of not knowing: http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/
(trilema) mike_c: similar to 24 hours of LeMons
(trilema) mike_c: World of Tramborghinis
(trilema) mike_c: if you get in the WoT somebody might rate you and you can voice yourself.
(trilema) mike_c: ;;ident mdev
(trilema) mike_c: ;;bc,stats
(trilema) mike_c: warren's getting smacked
(trilema) mike_c: ;;calc 192000 / [ticker --last]
(trilema) mike_c: good for click bait. /2014/06/05/bitcoin-declared-illegal-everywhere/ "Bitcoin has not been declared illegal everywhere"
(trilema) mike_c: url = "reporting required". title = "no reporting required"
(trilema) mike_c: uh, who the hell wrote that URL / title combination?
(trilema) mike_c: why? i've heard good things previously.
(trilema) mike_c: hm. hard drives do the same thing though. write caches and what not.
(trilema) mike_c: pankkake: what do you mean about the storage lying to you? you mean about whether data has been committed?
(trilema) mike_c: plus, i can't shoot my hetzner box in the head at will.
(trilema) mike_c: yes
(trilema) mike_c: cloud rulez!
(trilema) mike_c: $379.68 a year
(trilema) mike_c: those are cheaper
(trilema) mike_c: m1.m
(trilema) mike_c: an m1 is exactly $422.20 a year
(trilema) mike_c: ah, k
(trilema) mike_c: and an m1 is $420 a year
(trilema) mike_c: benkay: link? i don't see dedicated hetzner's for less than $800 a year
(trilema) mike_c: "But at present, the microscope again and again goes 'clang!' against the table, the nails slowly and crookedly creep inward, and tiny shards of the world’s finest lenses fly in all directions."
(trilema) mike_c: this line cracks me up every time
(trilema) mike_c: i disagree, boston is too cold.
(trilema) mike_c: mdev: http://trilema.com/2014/why-exactly-reusing-bitcoin-addresses-strengthens-bitcoin-user-anonimity/
(trilema) mike_c: Naphex: in what way? i see it more like an actually useful entrepreneur club.
(trilema) mike_c: !up mdev
(trilema) mike_c: ;;bc,stats
(trilema) mike_c: you sound like a new yorker
(trilema) mike_c: party's over
(trilema) mike_c: %diff
(trilema) mike_c: same way.. just should be close to 50/50
(trilema) mike_c: i wouldn't kill too many brain cells trying to figure it out.
(trilema) mike_c: maybe they would do well as a bitbet affiliate
(trilema) mike_c: in other words, ads.
(trilema) mike_c: oh, they mean they will be the affiliate for other people
(trilema) mike_c: uh
(trilema) mike_c: css isn't as good as bitbet
(trilema) mike_c: including the part where he lost his virginity
(trilema) mike_c: whoa, that could actually be a first
(trilema) mike_c: call moiety
(trilema) mike_c: i think there's a t-shirt with the answer
(trilema) mike_c: but how do we fix bitcoin when the aliens come?
(trilema) mike_c: thanks!
(trilema) mike_c: Apocalyptic: there are also considerations around which curve you use. i believe certain curves are known to be weak.
(trilema) mike_c: c'mon, you know ascii knows and just won't tell
(trilema) mike_c: looked bigger to me.
(trilema) mike_c: ah. need to put a quarter on it :)
(trilema) mike_c: seems big for 8 amps
(trilema) mike_c: yup. pool hoppers pump up the diff, then leave, then come back when the diff drops again.
(trilema) mike_c: mircea_popescu: fixed.
(trilema) mike_c: << knows little about ripple
(trilema) mike_c: 24h volume is 16 btc, is that high?
(trilema) mike_c: i like the new pic btw. the greenery is nice.
(trilema) mike_c: trilema cookie bug? I re-cookied, I can read articles, but homepage keeps giving me paywall. credits are showing correctly in top right.
(trilema) mike_c: then you got some of that blood in you somewhere
(trilema) mike_c: nobody can tell other races apart. your brain is wired from childhood to be sensitive to distinctions in your own race's facial features.
(trilema) mike_c: *every
(trilema) mike_c: only ever other season
(trilema) mike_c: bitcoinoprah?
(trilema) mike_c: personboard
(trilema) mike_c: blech, get an android. i was just looking for ammo.
(trilema) mike_c: don't call it small, you'll make it mad
(trilema) mike_c: americans know how to find guns.
(trilema) mike_c: ;;google desert eagle .50
(trilema) mike_c: oh he's serious. you should see when him and Luke-Jr get going.
(trilema) mike_c: </rant>
(trilema) mike_c: :)
(trilema) mike_c: good thing, can't be giving more money to tim cook.
(trilema) mike_c: danielpbarron: you own any apple products?
(trilema) mike_c: the answer to everything is bitcoinica :)
(trilema) mike_c: i remember the why, but not the who.
(trilema) mike_c: so why the hell would you be pushing their shitty methodology?
(trilema) mike_c: most = what? > 90%? > 99%?
(trilema) mike_c: xmj: what percentage of these companies fail?
(trilema) mike_c: hehe. i think we are talking about limits on freedom. you think people should be free to be racist/homophobic. i'm not sure i agree.
(trilema) mike_c: sure, like you left some space for romanians by leaving. you also wrote a blog post telling them they suck on the way out.
(trilema) mike_c: "i'm not god, so whatever"
(trilema) mike_c: what's the other option? you don't get to assign meaning to anything?
(trilema) mike_c: bad analogy. killing rats and/or manuls means nothing.
(trilema) mike_c: sure, i can't count it. but fuck those 20 guys who did it for dumb reasons too.
(trilema) mike_c: that doesn't mean there was no meaning to any of it.
(trilema) mike_c: 100 people go lynch a black guy. yes, 20 of them only did it because of peer pressure, but 80 of them did do it because they hate/fear/whatever blacks.
(trilema) mike_c: but there often is meaning. flag burning is dumb. but refusing service based on race/gay/sex does have meaning.
(trilema) mike_c: so what's your point? that I shouldn't care about other people's idiocy? or is it that it isn't stupid to be racist/homophobic.
(trilema) mike_c: perhaps this is inconsistent.
(trilema) mike_c: some people "hate americans" and act accordingly. I think this is retarded, but it doesn't upset me. some people "hate homos" and act accordingly, yet this does upset me.
(trilema) mike_c: thinking..
(trilema) mike_c: no
(trilema) mike_c: not part of objects, part of behavior.
(trilema) mike_c: well, relatively serious. is there some other reason you would refuse to use black figurines?
(trilema) mike_c: you assholes got my bp up. who needs coffee.
(trilema) mike_c: because then you end up with half your country owning slaves.
(trilema) mike_c: "so what" is that a lot of people don't find racism/sexism/homophobia something to simply be ignored.
(trilema) mike_c: danielpbarron: you are trying to be cute with the rules, but that is just bullshit. why do you have the rule against black figurines? because you hate blacks.
(trilema) mike_c: is discrimination illegal? generally, yes.
(trilema) mike_c: danielpbarron: you going to have a rule against black figurines on your cakes too?
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, so?
(trilema) mike_c: meh, i don't think it works irl. just make the guy a cake. wtf does the baker care? you don't go to hell for making gay cakes.
(trilema) mike_c: and why are you changing the rate? because the guy is gay? doesn't work.
(trilema) mike_c: that doesn't work for a bakery. you can't serve 10 customers cake and then tell the black guy "this isn't a good deal for me".
(trilema) mike_c: this cracks me up. hipster lorem ipsum: http://hipsum.co/?paras=4&type=hipster-centric
(trilema) mike_c: not only is some dumbass trying to bet after the event, but he bets a whopping 20 cents.
(trilema) mike_c: tangible assets are always overstated in value though
(trilema) mike_c: nothing.
(trilema) mike_c: physical machines seem like a tangible asset
(trilema) mike_c: well, depreciation. amortization is for non-real things.
(trilema) mike_c: not to mention more than existed at the time.
(trilema) mike_c: reporters are awesome (present company not included in sarcasm of course)
(trilema) mike_c: you missed the one from financial times that said SD raised *10 million* btc in their ipo
(trilema) mike_c: capex counts against income, no?
(trilema) mike_c: well, they are talking about cash flow not balance sheet, so capex i guess
(trilema) mike_c: salaries!
(trilema) mike_c: company parties are expensive.
(trilema) mike_c: because you can just ignore depreciation, especially in a mining operation.
(trilema) mike_c: drives me crazy when someone says "well the other startups are doing it"
(trilema) mike_c: i would post that on my wall, but then everyone would just ask me "who is mircea"
(trilema) mike_c: hehe. you mean the nsa recommended ones?
(trilema) mike_c: http://blog.cloudflare.com/a-relatively-easy-to-understand-primer-on-elliptic-curve-cryptography
(trilema) mike_c: i hate cloudflare as much as everyone, but this is actually a really useful primer on RSA and EC if you are new to the details of how they work:
(trilema) mike_c: Phinnaeus: bingo linked you to a good post on the point of it all earlier. worth reading if you're thinking of hanging out here: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/
(trilema) mike_c: asciilifeform: do you know if this is true? "EC-based keys are just as secure as RSA keypairs"
(trilema) mike_c: line between a marketer and a spammer is thin.
(trilema) mike_c: !jd mpif
(trilema) mike_c: damn, jd had a good day.
(trilema) mike_c: it's like democracy. the worst except for the alternatives.
(trilema) mike_c: i saw that earlier. cracks me up :)
(trilema) mike_c: ;;google rectothermal cryptanalysis
(trilema) mike_c: it's funny how many google queries lead back to stan
(trilema) mike_c: lol. wikipedia is not as creative as us. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber-hose_cryptanalysis
(trilema) mike_c: nobody would have been able to play :)
(trilema) mike_c: that is still impossible. that would have been, what, ALL the btc?
(trilema) mike_c: yours has nicer fonts though.
(trilema) mike_c: grazie
(trilema) mike_c: ^ ft article
(trilema) mike_c: would not rectothermal analysis provide the location of the stored key?
(trilema) mike_c: x.idiff.jun could be at management's discretion.. next diff bump may well be on settlement day.
(trilema) mike_c: it is truly amazing how it keeps doubling
(trilema) mike_c: big spike in nethash last couple hundred blocks
(trilema) mike_c: yes, but he won't admit to it (pankkake)
(trilema) mike_c: Altcoin is the best altcoin because the core dev hates altcoins.
(trilema) mike_c: was that from pankkake?
(trilema) mike_c: he didn't even have to kick in for the fine.
(trilema) mike_c: ah, k.
(trilema) mike_c: Apocalyptic: is 30day vol no longer available? or maybe it never was and i'm dreaming.
(trilema) mike_c: cool. thanks. didn't there used to be a way to get 30day vol?
(trilema) mike_c: any reason? worried about spam or something?
(trilema) mike_c: hey mod6, how come atcbot won't talk to me in query?
(trilema) mike_c: %t
(trilema) mike_c: i don't know why everyone is so worried about women in bitcoin. the number of foreigners in bitcoin seems like a much bigger problem.
(trilema) mike_c: who purported that?
(trilema) mike_c: that must have been a great phone call. "Mr. Voorhees, give us 50 btc and it all goes away". "Uhh, seriously? Ok!"
(trilema) mike_c: that's confusing.
(trilema) mike_c: paging kakobrekla.
(trilema) mike_c: well how the hell are you supposed to know that? it says it's been paid out.
(trilema) mike_c: i don't think you are.
(trilema) mike_c: Mats_cd03: that one has already been paid out..
(trilema) mike_c: Mats_cd03: dunno, but i think less than a day in general.
(trilema) mike_c: artifexd: so where does that leave the shares. owning a share of s.mg on havelock is only worth 50% as much as a share on mpex. crazy, huh. they are way overpricing those havelock shares :)
(trilema) mike_c: but transferring shares off havelock is prohibitively expensive, which is probably why nobody bothers.
(trilema) mike_c: well, i don't need anything. just saying there is arbitrage available between havelock smg passthrough and mpex.
(trilema) mike_c: does nobody in here have a havelol account? i guess it's not worth picking up the bit-dime in arbitrage.
(trilema) mike_c: !t h smg
(trilema) mike_c: cost != value :)
(trilema) mike_c: coingen is how Altcoin was born
(trilema) mike_c: well, i'm not looking to reignite that silly argument. "bootstrap lean fail-fast pivot" is a joke.
(trilema) mike_c: xmj:;;rate mircea_popescu -2 has no idea about lean startup strategy << wait, shouldn't that merit a positive rating?
(trilema) mike_c: hm.. all the #b-a blogs should charge the same credits, spend them to read the other blogs, get them when people read your blog. talk about a circle jerk.
(trilema) mike_c: mircea_popescu:im officially addicted to http://www.btcalpha.com/mpif-tracker/ nao << perhaps I should add a credits system :)
(trilema) mike_c: jurov's book would make infinite loop anyway. nav = (pc1,2,3,4) + nav * pc5 shares
(trilema) mike_c: agreed
(trilema) mike_c: will get even more live when jurov finishes his thing :)
(trilema) mike_c: she won, but it didn't cover the small hedge
(trilema) mike_c: er, yes
(trilema) mike_c: sort of
(trilema) mike_c: i am recalling. soon gox2 will arise with their stolen code and they can compete on even footing.
(trilema) mike_c: well, where do i send my money!
(trilema) mike_c: "The Bitfinex trading platform is currently in a beta phase (testing phase). The platform is owned and operated by iFinex Inc. (Bvi), and during this final phase the platform is being prepared to operate under a fully licensed model."
(trilema) mike_c: when did bitfinex get so fking big? are they blowing smoke up their own ass?
(trilema) mike_c: back to the moon i guess
(trilema) mike_c: wtf
(trilema) mike_c: seller identified.
(trilema) mike_c: hmm, how would you know ;)
(trilema) mike_c: mpif question: are those 900k+ shares on the order book new shares?
(trilema) mike_c: couple bit cents down the drain.
(trilema) mike_c: especially with all you foreigners in here.
(trilema) mike_c: what was am ipo price?
(trilema) mike_c: kakobrekla: i'll try it now, thanks. plus bonus swimsuit pic :)
(trilema) mike_c: now, 0.0036 * 630 = $2.27 per share
(trilema) mike_c: ipo = 0.0055 BTC * 600 = $3.30
(trilema) mike_c: those were actually off by a factor of 10, but they all were so it doesn't really matter.
(trilema) mike_c: srsly. he'd be unreadable without their editing
(trilema) mike_c: back to 3.4 th/s. must be pool-hoppers on atc.
(trilema) mike_c: ;;calc 482603*7000000
(trilema) mike_c: i will certainly give it a try.
(trilema) mike_c: i have heard you say that (and filed it away for my future research)
(trilema) mike_c: i used to agree about the readability, but i have recently seen some elegant looking lisp programs. and i used to think python was unreadable. so who knows.
(trilema) mike_c: i'm starting to think it might be that cool. it's on my list to learn when i have a spare minute.. so who knows when.
(trilema) mike_c: Naphex: mtgox would have managed to suck in any language. i just feel bad for good programmers who somehow have ended up using php. probably the same as asciilifeform feels for all of us that don't use lisp.
(trilema) mike_c: well, it was good enough for mtgox i guess.
(trilema) mike_c: kakobrekla: what is bitbet written in?
(trilema) mike_c: pankkake: ipo USD/share: $0.33, 2po: $0.345, current: $0.227