mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/#comment-98083 << this is such lulz.
kakobrekla: i approve of the idea.
jborkl: ah ok, where is the bot getting vwap from now? I can't remember
mircea_popescu: this is actually not a bad idea. kakobrekla would it be hard for !b to also pass the link to the first line ?
Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu Feature request for bash.bitcoin-assets.com: A link to the part in the relevant part at log.bitcoin-assets.com so that context is easier to find.
jborkl: the option bid/ask is offline right now MP?
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, people need their 18 bitcents or w/e to go invest it and double it or w/e it is they do, but still.
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
Apocalyptic: we're not on the same markets, i don't plan to include every new alt
ThickAsThieves: Apocalyptic, is x-bt open for business? The site looks nice but I see no orders.
ThickAsThieves: it was sorted later in the log p
pankkake: the block reward check in bitcoin allows you to have blocks with lower rewards. maybe someone mined with another coingen altcoin that had compatible parameters
ThickAsThieves: kakobrekla, idea for BitBet: in the Resolved column, make it so the winning side is colorized and/or have the winning answer displayed in the center of the bar
punkman1: buy the cheap btc and hope mtgox gives you some
Apocalyptic: derp of the day
Apocalyptic: <sturles> Eh, no. Very few people expect that. The smartest investors ar buying BTC on MtGox now.
herbijudlestoids: but bingo hit all of my bids when i put them in
herbijudlestoids: pinging bid = sell 0.0000001 ATC into the highest bid
herbijudlestoids: just a bit of fun, i originally wanted to get some and sell them on -otc to establish WoT, but nobody wanted to buy the small amount i initially had and someone (i think benkay) mentioned sturles to me anyway as someone who helps newbies to get rated on WoT...so not really necessary for much anymore
herbijudlestoids: i got the ASICs from a friend who didnt want them anymore, i was using them to mine a small amount of BTC a while ago but then the USB hub died and were just sitting around on my desk until ATC
herbijudlestoids: Vexual: if he wouldnt let me narrow the spread then i had to convince him to narrow it lol
herbijudlestoids: iam, but they dont hold any implicit value to me and it doesnt cost more than 0.00000001 ATC to ping a bid and set the last price ;)
herbijudlestoids: Vexual: there is a lot of bids above 125
herbijudlestoids: nothing stopping you from putting in bids below 290 i guess but then you gotta wait for someone to sell into the bids above oyu
herbijudlestoids: 290s is the highest bid now, sorry
herbijudlestoids: if you buy at market you get them now, if you put in a bid you gotta wait for someone to sell into the bid
herbijudlestoids: well you can either buy ATC at market for 499s or put a bid in above 300s
Vexual: imagine if crypto currency was invented then
Vexual: youll need those atc soon, imma buy the whole board on openex
Vexual: i wasn't going to offer the answer without a 1 atc prize
Vexual: i was there and reading
herbijudlestoids: the hax basically boil down to tricking someone
herbijudlestoids: even after all these years
BitcoinPropagand: Is there any MP here?
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FucSOWdvc_M this ones for pankkake for no reason other than i remember his name
Vexual: theres litttle difference with satishi
jurov: all of them
herbijudlestoids: they need all 6 confirms
Vexual: how many confirms do they like?
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Vexual: but id put it on a post and get out of the snow
herbijudlestoids: KRS-One: someone should go stand there with a sign saying "ONLY DUMBASSES PUT ALL THEIR EGGS IN ONE BASKET"
benkay: what the fuck is wrong with you two
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Vexual: this needs the ag dancing
herbijudlestoids: MisterE: i dunno im not posting it because i agree but because the discussion within is interesting
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Bugpowder: like transactions on the network. do they work right now? They do right? what % is getting mutated?
Bugpowder: Are deposits able to come in or are the getting malled?
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
herbijudlestoids: ok, well Luke-Jr i pantspledge to you that i will look unto the lambda business and try to make a useful patch, so that you dont feel like all of us people in the community are cunts who never contrib (altho iv never used eloipool)
herbijudlestoids: and i figured there must be some convention for using this COIN
herbijudlestoids: but i was trying to keep the python code to look similar to what i could see in the altcoind code
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: sent the right pub key to office, I hope
herbijudlestoids: alright, i am asking to make sure im on the right track, cos i dont wanna go off and do XYZ and come back to you and burn your eyes out
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: ok i just took that example from the altcoind code where they have a constant COIN = 100000000 and constant CENT = 10000000
benkay: learning the lambda business is a good idea anyways herbijudlestoids
mircea_popescu: there's no fractions in crypto.
Luke-Jr: and that software should only ever work in the base unit
mircea_popescu: best put some on then
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: ill make you a deal, if you think my patch is correct for all cases where its int, then i will spend some time on the weekend and try to understand the lambda business
Luke-Jr: or the subsidy could grow
herbijudlestoids: but to me it seems like you can just pull those hardcoded ints out into the config file and let the use modify?
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: no i understand the basics of lambda, what i was asking is why use it in this case. i emailed you a thing, if its wrong pls feel free to reply and let me know
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: ok i emailed to the email address in your headers.
mircea_popescu: no downside, if he's proven wrong it's yet another random internet guy that's wrong.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 i dun see another reason
Duffer1: I don't see the reason to lie about who's chip it is though, what am I missing?
mircea_popescu: then yes.
Luke-Jr: herbijudlestoids: is the same as
Duffer1: ken claimed bfl chips, those that knew better pointed it out right away that the pic is bitfury
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 interesting that the activeminer crowd woudl confuse bitfury chips for bfl chips
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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mircea_popescu: cool then.
Bunnyh: no other hits for 5000000000
mircea_popescu: because if there's a config and then down the line this happens again in some other point people will curse.
mircea_popescu: just to be on the safe side
mircea_popescu: might be an idea to grep the code for any 5000000000
mircea_popescu: o that's it then
Bunnyh: that could be made configurable but then users would have to input the reward algorithm, which might be a bit convoluted with some coins
Luke-Jr: and yes, it looks similar because it does the same thing :P
Luke-Jr: used to fabricate block templates before bitcoind has the next block
herbijudlestoids: is that in eloipool or in altcoind code? looks like the line below the line i pasted before
ThickAsThieves: Luke-Jr I never even heard of the thing
MisterE: its funny when I joined this channel and my gf sees me chat from her desk behind suddenly there are naked pics in chat and she comes over
Luke-Jr: ThickAsThieves: I cared to share the Eloipool code in the first place, and it seems very few care to contribute back their changes, so.. not especially inclined to help with it tbh.
ThickAsThieves: jurov when comes the ATC Coinroll?
Bunnyh: Luke-Jr: the correct reward would be 512 coins in this case, and eloipool mostly generated blocks with that amount
Bunnyh: 50 is the initial btc reward and eloipool is designed for btc, so wouldn't be too surprising...
Bunnyh: Luke-Jr: can you think of any reason why eloipool would suddenly generate a 50 coin block reward instead of the actual amount that should be generated?
ThickAsThieves: and then triggers CF
Evolyn: sometimes the site loads, yes, but having trouble most of time, and cloudflare shows me offline version all time
Bunnyh: so the bug could very well be in eloipool or my eloipool config
mircea_popescu: <Bunnyh> can't you generate less than the allowed block reward + fees in btc too? or would that be rejected by other nodes? << you can
ThickAsThieves: that's the only one
agorecki: What's the reward for mining a block in terms of fees? It's .2 bitcoin, isn't it?
Evolyn: can someone tell me whats happening with havelock? the site is... not accessable @.~
Bunnyh: looks familiar, i've had to check the same function with other coins to understand some custom implementations
Bunnyh: that was with the initial release of altcoind + latest eloipool
Bunnyh: can't you generate less than the allowed block reward + fees in btc too? or would that be rejected by other nodes?
ThickAsThieves: when/where is the block reward determined?
Vexual: so mr forbes would say the whole think is borked
Bunnyh: they were just miners pointed to a pool that was pointed to altcoind
Vexual: are you mining bc on the same rig?
herbijudlestoids: it would still be good to see a log of the altcoind encountering those blocks and see what its saying
mircea_popescu: perhaps it allows you to declare 50 btc new blocks if you wish, even if they shoulkd be 512 ?
herbijudlestoids: wait, did you mine them solo or in pool?
mircea_popescu: sounds like the code change might have been a little buggy ?
herbijudlestoids: looks like theyre older than what i got
herbijudlestoids: Bunnyh: i just checked my debug.log which goes back to the 9th of this month...none of those hashes are in there
mod6: herbi: thanks for the heads up.
herbijudlestoids: mod6: withdrawals seem to require manual admin approval while theyre still in beta so keep that in mind
herbijudlestoids: mod6: yea anything they trade is withdrawable
mircea_popescu: nobody has yet done a splendid job of bitcoin-based hosting, and there'd definitely be demand.
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: cloud storage is billed usually by the GB/month
herbijudlestoids: ok so another idea i had
ThickAsThieves: lol these coins i bought on coinbase like an hour ago are +$70
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: regardless of the total supply, if i can go to market and get more satoshis per dogecoin (and i can, the liquidity is way better) then....
ThickAsThieves: i'm in there too ;)
mircea_popescu: the20year you mean like guitar hero ?
the20year1: For a few years my brother worked for one such tech startup, their stupidity was amazing
the20year1: mircea_popescu: sort of. All these little tech startups suck their funding dry and then move on to 'the next big thing' and screw over some other institutional investor
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids does that clarify the point, incidentally ?
herbijudlestoids: nah plenty of ATC on hand, he can easily stop my efforts by continuing to fatten out the book
herbijudlestoids: Vexual: currently im frustrating all of BingoBoingos attempts to get the price to read 700 :P
herbijudlestoids: 302 looks like its holding the lows on gox
Vexual: other
moiety: no, the muffins are not a lie!
mircea_popescu: the20year1 like facebook, groupon, twitter etc ?
Vexual: dont ill bust another gut
the20year1: i imagine they're like all sorts of real world IPOs, milk the capital till it's dry, move on
Duffer1: they didn't get a satoshi from me
ThickAsThieves: cuz they got em from you?
Duffer1: i'm pretty sure they got thousands
ThickAsThieves: is that what the call kangaroos now?
Vexual: but they got a new landcruiser
benkay: it's kinda crazy there's nowhere you can point and be like "look: notional float adds up simply"
Duffer1: i know lol that's why i'm surprised havelock hasn't fallen all over itself to list them
ThickAsThieves: plus theyre a scam anyway
ThickAsThieves: <Duffer1> i'm shocked kenilworth still hasn't been listed, it's been a month <<< they probly cant afford the listing fees
the20year1: I'm not sure how the calculate it, since we had shares from bitfunder that migrated
the20year1: So what, 39% or so of the first round has been sold
benkay: how much of your ipo have you sold, the20year1?
Duffer1: cbtc financials: we took in the pooper but since we were so overvalued to begin with we used the remainder to buy the competition
the20year1: And that's with 10 days of them having lost our paperwork
the20year1: I don't know why Duffer1. They said they were listing at HL, and it took me from Jan 9th to Feb 7th to get listed.
mircea_popescu: the20year1 you may well be, actually.
mircea_popescu: i wonder what the strong financials those'd be. undisclosed as is customary ?
the20year1: i'm the first rentalstarter on bitcoin in 2013
mircea_popescu: "CasinoBitco.in (CBTC) was the first Bitcoin-only gaming establishment to offer unique, provably-fair games along with a full Sportsbook. Operating successfully since May 2013"
Duffer1: Updates tab has the announce
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: we got a buyout offer from a large company, now we can tell them to f off or value us at 10-20 times more
Duffer1: "Terms of the deal have not been disclosed. "
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 how much does one pay for one of the casinos ?
herbijudlestoids: let the cash flowwwww
herbijudlestoids: my company landed the big customer we have been courting :)
Duffer1: oh Namworld they acquired bit777 and peerbet
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benkay: did you hear about the kid who got sent away for more than just one night for getting sarcastic on the internet?
herbijudlestoids: B007: just for the record, you know you can talk to gribble in /query right? :)
gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 31159.02 bitcoins, for a total of 594758785.7867 USD and take the price to 1000000000.0000. | Data vintage: 202.6239 seconds
ThickAsThieves: they will turn out acidic
moiety: might make them blue, i have dye
moiety: just using jam herbi, its the bestthing to use for muffins
herbijudlestoids: moiety: we get em cheap here cos just across the pond from NZ
moiety: morning, muffins are atually in the process of being made finally! [kiwi/apple]
gribble: A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 6752680.8043 USD and would take the last price up to 949.2028 USD, resulting in an average price of 675.2681 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 56.0308 seconds
Namworld: Yes. Obviously. Planning to take over the world with my flying fortress that rains doom.
mircea_popescu: only the terrorists fly.
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
Namworld: Yet again I can't do stuff not related to driving because they only take driver's license as a form of ID.
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
herbijudlestoids: B007: having fun there?
gribble: A market order to sell 10 bitcoins right now would net 3909.1550 USD and would take the last price down to 387.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 390.9155 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 158.0034 seconds
herbijudlestoids: benkay: i thought there was an issue that broke it, but apparently its been fixed, so i assume so
gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 0 bitcoins, for a total of 7229404.4576 USD and take the price to 0. | Data vintage: 123.7412 seconds
ThickAsThieves: supposedly they have a new browser plugin for it
mircea_popescu: wasn't it "in the bush" ?
gribble: A market order to sell 10000000 bitcoins right now would net 7228836.5211 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0001 USD, resulting in an average price of 0.7229 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 34.2271 seconds
herbijudlestoids: ahha ThickAsThieves, this is one of the posts "Fuck roses, lick 'er cunt."
ThickAsThieves: they are kisses "down under"
gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 7106160.6930 USD and would take the last price down to 2.6954 USD, resulting in an average price of 71.0616 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.1413 seconds
mircea_popescu: it is the default.
gribble: A market order to sell 25000 bitcoins right now would net 5136084.7808 USD and would take the last price down to 100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 205.4434 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 27.7914 seconds
taub: don't lose money, but don't make any either
gribble: A market order to sell 25000 bitcoins right now would net 5136084.7808 USD and would take the last price down to 100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 205.4434 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0754 seconds
taub: marketmaking in these chinese exchanges is too tough
gribble: A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 2665619.2280 USD and would take the last price down to 500.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 533.1238 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0463 seconds
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves no it's not <<< it is for the market command it seems
herbijudlestoids: too cryptic for the retarded
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids aka "the human condition"
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: lelll youre like an artist and your theme is "one naked lady amongst many clothed people"
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
gribble: A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 1616577.0448 USD and would take the last price down to 291.3229 USD, resulting in an average price of 323.3154 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.1923 seconds
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
herbijudlestoids: kakobrekla: still there?
mircea_popescu: either that or to take cock.
MisterE: that is their only hope is to take on altcoins
ThickAsThieves: just got another message, "what are your long-term plans for Altcoin?"
mircea_popescu: MisterE no coin ever fails. much like the us dollar, a coin has no actual obligations
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, sort-of dubious russian folk. not necessarily untrustworthy, just not particularly trustworthy for any reasons.
MisterE: I think that counts the ones that have failed too
MisterE: theres almost 100 altcoins now
mircea_popescu: they were involved in at least one case of pumping a premined coin
MisterE: it's the asian face saving thing
mircea_popescu: MisterE the guy is a french citizen
MisterE: Japan is always lying about their stuff that goes wrong
mircea_popescu: which was a gross overstatement even then
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids as far as i recall the original reports of the sr 2.0 failure placed the loss at 5k btc
herbijudlestoids: MisterE: isnt that weird that you can never seem to find information? lol .... https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20140210.html " As you are aware, the MtGox team has been working hard to address an issue with the way that bitcoin withdrawals are processed. By "bitcoin withdrawal" we are referring to transactions from a MtGox bitcoin wallet to an external bitcoin address. Bitcoin transactions to any MtGox bitcoin
MisterE: not after their harsh verification crap
ThickAsThieves: herb it's been fractional since they decided to have a God account
ThickAsThieves: i dont envy the goxer right now?
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: i get the feeling it wasnt fractional until the US Gov took several millions of their monies :P
MisterE: if they have halted withdrawals its over
ThickAsThieves: gox knows theyve been had
ThickAsThieves: they are just pushing it to 0