Namworld: It was my understanding the guy wanted to put it on youtube.
Namworld: The guy asked my friend because he needed someone to try before him. My friend proposed me, because he thought it would be fun. =P
Namworld: I already tasted stuff ranked ~1 million on the Scoville scale without flinching.
mircea_popescu: the rest are feminists.
Namworld: No. Me and my friends are evil bastards. I'll act like it's nothing and then we'll see his reaction.
Namworld: A friend of a friend wants to film me eating one of the hottest peppers in the world. If I don't die, he'll try it himself. What?
cads: oh you guys do know that at one point english writing spelled the S sound with an F
mircea_popescu: "Femen stole our tits, so we have to take it in the ass now"
mircea_popescu: also stole their tits.
cads: remember the russian girls that got arrested for holding an illegal concert on the stairs of the orthodox church
cads: maybe they felt this would mean nothing
cads: and the world would heap even more pressure and loathing on russia
cads: I mean they could have gone around the world singing "Virgin Mary, put Putin away" and people would have loved it
ThickAsThieves: a regular Destinys Child in the making
mircea_popescu: sadly, they were visibly stupid and never got promoted much
cads: I dunno, political suicide in either case imo
mircea_popescu: some of the chicks actually had nice tits
cads: because they want to remain an anonymous collective if criminals
ThickAsThieves: there's like a legion of em no?
cads: I dunno if there will be any touring for pussy riot
benkay: there's some money in that dump
ThickAsThieves: the bet exists
cads: Financial regulators in US/UK and elsewhere want Bitcoin to stoop to their level, but it can't: it's not built that way.
cads: the only bad thing is I did not do it
copumpkin: okay, that was quite the movie
cazalla: speaking of doge, it was on aussie tv - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-13/the-new-aussie-crypto-currency-dogecoin-gives/5259088
cads: "An alternative cryptocurrency disrupting the already rather disrupting crypto market. MaxCoin Donations: mPQERLaEVcj1cMSMX5tyCcCdBeZCkm6GEK "
ThickAsThieves: lol there's 2m more doge than last time i looked!
BingoBoingo: If Doges are so great, why doesn't Sochi want them?
mircea_popescu: dropped to 5 in the fantasy league.
ThickAsThieves: i suspect doge is owned by way less people than they appear
ThickAsThieves: i wonder what they call hot ironing cattle now?
mircea_popescu: "honey tonight i'll brand the fuck out of your vagina." "and then i brandished it into her again"
benkay: "hit by the brandhammer"
cads: "The family signed into a partnership with a video management company called Viral Spiral. Viral Spiral, a video management company specializing in viral videos, has helped place the video in advertisements for companies like Sprint and helped to create a brand.[23][32] There was also news of a web series featuring the boys in the works.[33]
gribble: The expected generation output, at 4.4e+11 Mhps, given difficulty of 2621404453.06, is 84412.3336141 BTC per day and 3517.18056725 BTC per hour.
mircea_popescu: so did the reader chicks get a new library yet ?
cads: "At one point in time, their father Howard Davies-Car stressed that he didn't want to commercialize on the boy's success but realized that unlicensed merchandise was being sold based on their video.[9] In response to requests from viewers online the family created "Charlie Bit My Finger" T-shirts, mugs and limited edition calendars.[2][31]"
gribble: The expected generation output, at 1000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 2621404453.06, is 0.000191846212759 BTC per day and 7.9935921983e-06 BTC per hour.
cads: mircea_popescu: I did some reasearch about charlie bit me - turns out the advertising revenue (~$100K) let the father buy a new house.
BingoBoingo: Openex's ATC volume is down to under a hundredth of a BTC these past 24 hours. Trading on https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc still need to pick up the slack though.
ThickAsThieves: must be a joke in there somewhere
ThickAsThieves: "Tina Maze of Slovenia and Dominique Gisin of Switzerland finished the women's downhill event with the exact same time"
ozbot: Black Moor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Luke-Jr: ThickAsThieves: not sure you're involvement, but the change herbijudlestoids mentioned is merged now
mircea_popescu: (fun fact : before the dutch started paying better, the black people were exporting slaves exclusively east, to yemen and other arabs)
mircea_popescu: only to the moors.
ThickAsThieves: did they ship slaves tho?
mircea_popescu: except the sicilians have to this day a female slavery programme goin
mircea_popescu: they were french colonies tho
ThickAsThieves: italians probly got slaves from there
ThickAsThieves: maybe it's another nigger word
gribble: Guinea-Bissau - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea-Bissau>; Guinea-Bissau - Central Intelligence Agency: <https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pu.html>; BBC News - Guinea-Bissau profile - Overview: <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13443186>
ThickAsThieves: yeah i think more people use gyp cuz they arent quite sure if its an insult
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: In these parts I actually hear Jew'd about as often as Gyp'd
mircea_popescu: those 5 seconds while they try to decide if you're about to mow them down or it's a really funny joke are priceless.
BingoBoingo: Some are more and less offensive on different sides of the atlantic. Spaz is fine in 'Murica and a Offensive in Britain. Cunt is the reverse (except when dealing with slants as a full rotation is out of the picture)
ThickAsThieves: "Gypped" is arguably the most commonly used racist term in existence today.
ThickAsThieves: cuz he's a redneck who cant tell the difference
Duffer1: race based are some of the most loaded atm
mircea_popescu: i want it sorted. the internet is full of ambigfuous list. i want to see the fucking impolite middle class.
ThickAsThieves: thug, it's the new nigger
mircea_popescu: should be something with the holocaust tho
ThickAsThieves: mouthbreather?
mircea_popescu: the most HURTFUL words!
mircea_popescu: i just need like the top 10
benkay: which i totally have time to and will do in the next decade
benkay: slash other stuff
benkay: no no no kid focus focus kid there are far more important things
cads: jesus why the fuck can't we have distributed publicly owned web service assets?!
cazalla: met a girl on there, thought she would have sex with me if i made an LJ too, gee how naive
mircea_popescu: i never did but i read some of my slaves' ljs from back in the day
cazalla: i use to have an LJ back in the day :P
cads: but you know it's there
mircea_popescu: used to be the only attraction of livejournal.
mircea_popescu: one of the funniest things to watch is a goffy and an emo chick being interested in the same dood.
cads: and the creepy, "look we can predict crimes before they happen by monitoring unsent drafts on facebook"
mircea_popescu: and goffy, which is "look at all the neat shit i don't understand that i've randomly collected mostly by breaking old stuff apart with a hammer"
mircea_popescu: anyway, the entirety of what passes for "social sciences" in the us these days can broadly be divided without remained into the emo ("i am special because i am chiefly only interested in myself and let me tell you about myself which is important because i am special bla bla bla")
mircea_popescu: and offers a seeming basis for further nuttery (ie, that a "better" construct could be constructed. on etsy.)
cads: right, the builders
mircea_popescu: and thus simultaneously casts blame, upon the politically convenient targets of ostracism (ie, actual males, actual females, anyone not fucktarded)
mircea_popescu: it leads people to imagine that it was "constructed", which is a pedestrian interpretation of the term of art,
cads: but more often with "the truth", at least if you dig at it.
cads: with another construct
cads: it's... essentially right but leads people to conclude what is merely a social construct doesn't actually exist so it should be possible in /theory/ to completely dispell that what was a construct.
mircea_popescu: what with all the reload flamethrower, throw away empty fuel cartridge, reload flamethrower...
mircea_popescu: if i were surounded by douchy us twennysomething as a woman young enough to wish to get laid... frankly i dunno i'd find the time to write
cads: the universe has a human parody operator and you are its fixpoint :)
mircea_popescu: nm, Minh Nguyen fails to be hot and therefore her rambling is irrelephant.
cads: "In my ideal world, the misogynists would be ultra-detectable, with facial pocks and sulfury odors and grunt wiggle your glazed donut ass for me. "
cads: "Lack game? Try this formula: mention x feminist theorist, y lamentation about political issue that attacks womens rights, z assertion about sexual consent. That tactic alone may work on someone, and thats utterly scary."
mircea_popescu: "nevertheless, i would like to check my privilege"
chetty: actually rape is a social construct then - no gender = no rape :P
nicknock_: the female option
nicknock_: well if you feel regret you can always dump a rape charge at the guy
mircea_popescu: such as get drunk at party, fuck, don't remember much in the morning ?
mircea_popescu: would this be one of those ambiguous episode kids get involved in that are currently mislabeled as "rape" in the us ?
cads: He loves women. He's DONE things for the cause. How can this cunt thing he fucking raped her?
cads: a man will rape a woman and then claim what happened could not have been rape. He's a feminist.
cads: there's this neat defense
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm the sort of feminist that torns irigaray to shreds because she's too stupid to live and gives a bad name to the entire thing.
mircea_popescu: i thought us male feminists were mostly... you know, dudes that can't otherwise date.
cads: in america at least, dudes that call themselves feminists are mostly women hating bro creeps hiding behind the label
cads: not a surprise for a slave master to be the feminist of an internet bunch :D
mircea_popescu: im the foremost feminist here, i'll have you know.
cads: mircea_popescu: I will remember that people can make you reject any economic theory simply by saying the word "feminism" 10 minutes before presenting it :D
asciilifeform: (in the sense of mr. o's essay on 'good bad books')
mircea_popescu: he's only now started the sniffing.
copumpkin: the guy's internet famous for it
cads: the man has committed
asciilifeform: hollywood seems to love them.
asciilifeform: always the bomb collars.
cads: the scenario is too tacky to think about :D
Namworld: I'm pretty sure my humans aren't fungible. Some of my subjects are worth more. They'd cost you more for me to be willing to depart with them.
mircea_popescu: i have no objection to the activity, but it doth amuse on one hand and fail to entice o nthe other.
mircea_popescu: only the inhuman parts are fungible.
mircea_popescu: you are arguing that people are interchangeable, which is broken in the way socialism generally is broken.
cads: haha, and I'm basically arguing that we can make human attention fungible and this is a horror scenario because that means the marketing firms win.
mircea_popescu: nah we already had the gimp
MisterE: we're just about to bring in the gimp I think
mircea_popescu: cads you have no modelling, there is no economy and no sentiment. fugeddaboutit.
Namworld: earn their sentiment?
cads: And "click, whirr" the automatic thoughts now prevent us from applying economic modelling to this agent class
cads: I want to talk about the econmics of how artists earn their sentiment, and we seem to feel that artists deserve only shitty sentiment because they're shysters that troll for a handout.
cads: even if it is awesome and has done interesting things in the market :D
ozbot: Pulp Fiction Bad Mother wallet restaurant scene Jules - YouTube
cads: okay, so I understand, kabbalists and artists are our public enemy so lets not be impressed with them
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the john is not a fool, he's buying something for his money.
mircea_popescu: cads picture a chick showing up to the sky olympics with toothpics for sticks.
asciilifeform: reduces to a search for the right moneyed fool (e.g. reportedly, kabbalists do find employment in israel)
Namworld: What's the issue with someone making a living as an artist?
mircea_popescu: or a word mathematician ?
Namworld: This is the best thing ever...
mircea_popescu: no matter how he tries to fake the pretense of being an actual artist.
cads: which would seem to sustain the claim that earning do not correlate to attention
mircea_popescu: the ronin ":artist" is merely a rebellious peasant.
mircea_popescu: yes they do, it's just not nominalized.
cads: these artists do /not/ recieve attention
mircea_popescu: the amount an artist earns strictly correlates with how powerful his lord is
cads: I'm not going to argue what is art, I'm interested in how artists earn money, and I'm having a hard time believing that the amount of money that an artist earns does not _strongly_ correlate with the amount of attention that others give him.
mircea_popescu: there, share it with the feminists, it'll make them like me, much to their detriment.
mircea_popescu: maybe the unseen painting also has. for what we know...
mircea_popescu: except the point of art is that it doesn't work like commerce.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform slowly dieing out, like the email spammer.
asciilifeform: the type of fool that pays for mere click is not entirely extinct, however.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck would time be a scarce resource anyway.
asciilifeform: i.e. 'victims' who do not merely click the ad, but go on to buy something
asciilifeform: reason i mentioned google's widget, is that the chumps pay manyfold for 'conversions' (term of art)
mircea_popescu: the oscars this year totals films watched by 48599 tons of tit fat.
cads: in the landscape of the possible human experience time is the only scarce resource, so if in /this/ universe people have spent more time experiencing the first art work, then I am willing to say this is more "important"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck sits in museums with a clicker doing cezanne vs caravaggio minutemanview competition ?
mircea_popescu: which is the more important ?
mircea_popescu: the mona lisa people have spenbt 45804958609458609458609845045809845 minutes watching.
mircea_popescu: would you consider more important the mona lisa or an equally large, equally well made unknown painting certainly made by da vinci ?
mircea_popescu: and that different discussion i will appoach from the following different angle :
asciilifeform: 'lemon car' theorem, etc.
mircea_popescu: now the people who have no idea about electronics regularly buy whatever someone;s telling them to.
asciilifeform: can't resist pointing out that, at least on this side of the atlantic, 'silicone' refers exclusively to the type of rubber sold under that name
mircea_popescu: a view which is actulaly getting a slight resurgence these days.
mircea_popescu: and its forbidding a serious abuse of the state power against individual sovereignity
asciilifeform: for some reason, i can't help but remember the american moneyed idiot who proclaimed that tv watchers who get up to piss during ads are committing fraud.
mircea_popescu: but i would like to add the observation that according to the 1800s crowd, patent medicine was actually useful, actually valuable and actually working.
cads: so with multiple servers serving the same content it becomes a nontrivial task to syncronize the correct number, first
mircea_popescu: first and foremost we must agree these "views" are a thing.
mircea_popescu: nor are you at liberty to imagine the symbol views denotes whatever definition you may happen to allocate it.
asciilifeform: cads: pick up one of google's '$100 off' coupons and see for yourself what it is the chumps pay for
mircea_popescu: all this aside : putting "views" next to a number does not transform the number into a measure
mircea_popescu: there's nothing particularly wrong with being a fraudster, i guess, until you end up believing your own crap.
mircea_popescu: they simply use that particular bezzle to defraud whoever's so inclined.
cads: So people pay for views and they're real.
cads: In the second and first cases I would point out that marketing companies trust view statistics.
mircea_popescu: in fact back in the lycos/infoseek/geocities days most everyone did.
cads: Okay, so lets start at the bottom. The claim there are no youtube views. Youtube clearly provides analytics on the number of visitors to a page. So are we saying these numbers are fabricated by youtube or third part 'view providers? Or that youtube views don't actually record how much attention someone payed to a video, whether they really watched it, etc.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as an attention econonmy.
cads: For the agents in an attention economy, those are important metrics.
mircea_popescu: i merely showed how that idiocy reduces to the absurd.
asciilifeform: cads: in the tale? nope. just censors viewing That Which Is To Be Deleted
cads: I'll leave it up to you to decide what type of logical fallacy you made by throwing Charlie Bit My Finger against the work of a singe avant garde fetish photographer. :D
asciilifeform: people then frequent quasi-illicit Derp viewings.
asciilifeform: viewing the forbidden.
asciilifeform: and so what remains is 'porn' with films of the censor's faces
asciilifeform: russian sf author / madman viktor pelevin had a piece where, in the Dark Future (tm) all other types of porn vanish, and only this remains
cads: mixed reviews from the critics alternately called it an awesome work of feminism and art, or skeptically denounced it as 'porn, not art'.
cads: despite being arguably non-pornographic (hosted, as it was, on youtube), the 9 videos in the series got 20 million views
mircea_popescu: "i saw you on the internet. so here's le diable et le bon dieu, read for me."
mircea_popescu: i wonder if giving these chicks a book and asking them to read is a legit pick-up now.
cads: and in their essays it's clear they feel they are helping make sexuality a less dirty, less manipulated thing
cads: one of the women is a museum curator
asciilifeform: they make remote-controlled instruments for this kind of work.
benkay: just about a third of the rentalstarter ipo.
cads: Unseen under the table the photographer's lovely assistant is working away with the apparently supernaturally effect hitachi vibrator.
mircea_popescu: i'd guess about 35% of adult females can actually orgasm in the situation described.
cads: mircea_popescu: the idea is that an unpaid woman sits at a table and opens up a famous literary work she chose, begins to read a key passage, starts having and orgasm, continues trying to read, climaxes, and then closes the book and says "I'm ____ and this has been moby dick"
cads: no, absolutely the same stoya
benkay: maybe the same stoya?
cads: I'm questioning the feminist merit if only because I still enjoyed the work with a very male gaze :D
cads: "Hysterical Literature is a video art series by NYC-based photographer and filmmaker Clayton Cubitt. It explores feminism, mind/body dualism, distraction portraiture, and the contrast between culture and sexuality. (It's also just really fun to watch.) "
mircea_popescu: benkay stoya, the whore ?!
asciilifeform: what kind of exercise would this be if the answer involved only this.
benkay: everything's part of the point i suppose
benkay: maybe the point
benkay: wtf not the point
cads: asciilifeform: you say that we want the 'opposite' of rsa (public decrypt, private encrypt), but... this is just the same as giving the public the private key and keeping the public one secret.
cads: I know bitcoin's scheme allows us to derive a public key from the private one, and that this is actually not typical.
cads: and G is decryption with the corresponding private key (which is included on the chip). It's a bit of an inversion of control of the intention of public key systems but it works for our purpose.
cads: anyways - asciilifeform I understand that. Ie, say we have two functions F and G such that G(F(x)) = x and F(x) is in some sense independent of x. Then (F, G) is a basic kind of cryptosystem, where F is the encryption function and G is the decryption function. For us not to be able to derive F from G, G must be infeasible to invert. I believe F can be encryption with a public key (which in this case the designer will keep public),
asciilifeform: (somewhat less trivial if you want actual security, rather than a passing exam score, however)
cads: I felt a bit too vouyeristic while watching to watch all of them, but it was enjoyable
cads: I liked the essays too
cads: like, actual passages of cool literature like clockwork orange, sitting fully dressed at a table, while something undeniable is going on /under/ the table
asciilifeform: bureaucrats probably came in their pants, they hate the chore of key distribution, etc