mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves because they can finally afford mass computers and net
mircea_popescu: people who speak languages with genders end up with fictitious gender partitions like witch/wizard because the teachers are lazy
dexX7: CheckDavid: i don't know much about ot, but it seems it's something completly new, more like a next gen bitmessage + encryption + central server bundle. mastercoin has it's own transaction types etc. and stores them encoded in the blockchain
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope. there's no gender in it.
mircea_popescu: we're having a ball these days :D
mircea_popescu: anyway. half the rift guild is russian and ukrainian
mircea_popescu: and "make the ho say no"
mircea_popescu: at like... the bus stop
mircea_popescu: it was all about "projecting your sexuality" upon random unfortunate members of the general public
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the nom de guerre / plume of some particularly unhinged pick up artist guy
mircea_popescu: ha! trilema the rift guild makes ~600 satoshi a day in taxes.
mircea_popescu: otherwise people'd be... whatever.
mircea_popescu: in most countries cable companies only sell their tv packages because they're bundled with the internet
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: azns clearly pushed the noseless look, it wasn't no persian
mircea_popescu: they were all :-) originally
bitcoinpete: I love the "counting on startups" bit
bitcoinpete: "As a result, this digital-savvy cohort is looking to the tech sector to provide banking solutions. Half of respondents said they were counting on startups to overhaul how banks work, and three-quarters said they would be more excited in financial services provided by Google, Amazon, Apple, PayPal, or Square than from their own banks."
asciilifeform: CheckDavid: plenty of people have used the blockchain as a telegraph, when the occasion called for it
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid knotwork perhaps the only one.
asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: the ancients understood atoms perfectly well << very peculiar meaning of 'understand' needed for this to be true
asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: probably as old as the first humanoid who looked with envy at an anthill
CheckDavid: http://opentransactions.org/wiki/index.php?title=About. < anyone knows the difference between this and mastercoin?
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu how old is the idea of communism by your reckoning? Mazdak was one of the first notable purveyors, at least according to Tom Holland
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that way i could somehow filter out idiots << but they're already filtered - they aren't in your living room, and they aren't in mine. on the other hand, if filters could physically zap spammers, there would be considerably more interest in filter...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: fuck me, the world is perfect
asciilifeform: and i think mr. a meant 'hammer through their thick retarded heads' rather than merely 'tell them.'
mircea_popescu: it's all their spam filters keeping us out
asciilifeform: hence the analogy
mircea_popescu: then again, i suppose the atomic view is also ancient, so... perhaps that's why we can't make time machines yet
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the difference'd be that the difference between promise and mechanism is by no means a novel idea, just like the knowledge of communism = idiocy is ancient.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete because obviously the ones that do keep it as bitcoin would report that to mark cuban
asciilifeform: 'the difference between promise and mechanism.'
asciilifeform: so, if i could teach just one thing to these lost souls:
asciilifeform: asimov was once asked what he would do if he were to take a trip in time machine and could teach/prove just one fact about physics to the ancients
asciilifeform: 'Kids are understanding that now. That's why Snapchat's been so popular. They don't want to have that footprint out there.' << lol
bitcoinpete: "The other telling tale in terms of currency besides the fact that no central bank is going to ever let (go of) control of how they deal with their own economy, is no one that I've seen so far that's in traditional sales that is taking bitcoin keeps it as bitcoin. They all translate it to dollars. And if you translate it into dollars it's not a currency." - Mark Cuban
thestringpuller: because of the issue with puts?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i think that has already been answered, but are options completely disabled or is only the bot not quoting?
asciilifeform: dexX7: if the 'miracle' crap is serious, americans will be drinking the same kind of wine as they drink coffee
asciilifeform: dexX7: 'eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and ok for you!' ('judge dredd')
mircea_popescu: i suppose we should have a bet as to when he goes the way of ciuciu, eskimobob and so many other great names
mircea_popescu: most people belabouring under the delusion they "own" a house aren't aware they only "own" it inasmuch as there's something to b e paid on it.
MisterE: hell water is the next asset
mircea_popescu: which is really why it's so fun to humiliate and torment them, the naked emperors of power.
mircea_popescu: there;s no such thing as "powerful" in the fiat world, being it a politician including obama, or a media personality including whoever the fuck you watch, or a financial guy.
chetty_: nah, not worth a bullet, they just laugh at him. take his phone away
MisterE: Umm, that evening or the next day he would be assassinated?
MisterE: "Assange attacked what he sees as the powerlessness of even the most theoretically powerful politicians, and asked what would happen if President Barack Obama said tomorrow he was immediately disbanding the NSA, or even the CIA."
mircea_popescu: the obscure part in all of this is what exact space for diplomacy does russia need here ?
mircea_popescu: "He (John Kerry) made clear that continued military escalation and provocation in Crimea or elsewhere in Ukraine, along with steps to annex Crimea to Russia would close any available space for diplomacy, and he urged utmost restraint," the official said.
ozbot: What Is Business? The Roman Catholic Church, For One | When Bitcoin Met Pete
mircea_popescu: Furthermore the local linearity of any utility curve means that the micromort is useful for small incremental risks and rewards, not necessarily for large risks
mircea_popescu: However utility functions are often not linear, i.e the more a person has already spent on their safety the less they are willing to spend to further increase their safety. Therefore the $50 valuation should not be taken to mean that a human life (1 million micromorts) is valued at $50,000,000.
mircea_popescu: (e.g., how much they are willing to pay for safety features on cars) a typical value is around $50 (in 2009)
mircea_popescu: An application of micromorts is measuring the value that humans place on risk: for example, one can consider the amount of money one would have to pay a person to get him or her to accept a one-in-a-million chance of death (or conversely the amount that someone might be willing to pay to avoid a one-in-a-million chance of death). When put thus, people claim a high number but when inferred from their day-to-day actions
bitcoinpete: And incredibly easy for the gluten intolerant
mircea_popescu: http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/Jewpacabra/Script grep "No! The bread's all flat! No!"
mircea_popescu: punkman i suppose the putin-ness has to do with ethnicity. eyck painted locals and putin is apparently baltic stock
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete i don't think author even understands there's any depth to the matter. the bread's all flat to him, like he was born in the internet age.
bitcoinpete: He didn't even pick the lowest hanging fruit: Botero's chubby fruit
mircea_popescu: "If the paintings have tons of little people in them but otherwise seem normal, its Bruegel. ajahaha
punkman: http://www.artfido.com/blog/is-this-the-best-way-to-recognize-the-artists-of-famous-paintings/
mircea_popescu: yeah they really should have a guy here.
bitcoinpete: crikey. That makes the Vatican look like a Swiss McDonald's
mircea_popescu: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/07/06/137627235/some-22-billion-in-gold-diamonds-jewels-found-in-indian-temple
MisterE: lots of hoards down there
mircea_popescu: they (ie, indian govt) recently opened the vault of donations of one of the larger temples
mircea_popescu: if you think anyone can compete with buddhism over that you're nuts, they probably have more than all the others combined.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete the objection was to art land and gold
mircea_popescu: MisterE: Little late for that eh? < lawl. it's what bystanders do, usually. comment on future events as they perceive them, which obviously to the actual players are long past.
bitcoinpete: Moderately familiar with Hinduism and Buddhism. I guess the branch-tree argument is valid. Continuity is continuity
Namworld: Go abraham (not the lincoln one)
mircea_popescu: only because you're unfamiliar with the east.
mircea_popescu: but if you go by headcount i guess you gotta count the muricans.
bitcoinpete: Catholic Church still seems to win the "most successful" award for land, art, gold, etc
mircea_popescu: generally they're ignored for their complete lack of intellectual production and cultural impact
mircea_popescu: minor disagreements over who exactly the prophets are
Namworld: No... those transactions... some are in the blockchain it seems.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete you know, there are numerous religions longer lasting than the catholic church
mircea_popescu: Transactions are recorded automatically every 5 minutes from this page, which displays all Bitcoin transactions from Mt.Gox that have not been confirmed for 2 or more hours according to their wallet software.
Namworld: API isn't there anymore, but some MtGox addresses where known.
Namworld: I believe this is based on past addresses used by MtGox, as per past transactions listed in their API
Namworld: Movements? The heck.
chetty_: crossing the street?
Mats_cd03: > Activities that increase the death risk by roughly one micromort, and their associated cause of death:
ozbot: Micromort - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mats_cd03: on the subject of death
ozbot: What Is Business? The Roman Catholic Church, For One | When Bitcoin Met Pete
joecool: altria, rj reylolds, and lorillard i think are the big 3
mike_c: it's interesting, because i have always heard anecedotally that taxes were killing US tobacco. i guess i heard it from the tobacco lobby :)
mircea_popescu: in fact, it bolsters it : intl only pm does substantially equally well as the us-only pm
mike_c: i thought it would, but it does not. altria has doubled over the last few years
mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah it doesn't substantially alter the argument
mike_c: they split it up. NYSE:PM is intl only
mircea_popescu: mike_c it doesn't sell in the us ?!
asciilifeform: visit the web site of any u.s. pcb maker, they're all decorated with pictures of fighter jets, boats, etc.
asciilifeform: (the boards alone!)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the four little green RNGs were made at a u.s. plant. cost: ~their weight in pure gold.
Duffer1: if you want it to taste really good and take 30 years off the average life span of your customers.. and be dirt cheap, then you want american expertise
mircea_popescu: how quickly the cool goes...
mircea_popescu: the consumer appliance that inspired jobs.
mircea_popescu: The trademark is a subsidiary of and owned by Conair Corporation which acquired the brand following Cuisinart's bankruptcy in 1989.
asciilifeform: how quickly the 'cool' goes.
mircea_popescu: but i can't readily think of anything which'd be improved by being made in the us.
mircea_popescu: then there was a war and a number of unfortunate choices... and by today people may want japanese stuff,
mircea_popescu: my grandfather was a mayor, and a bunch of other things, but the one true source of public respect was that he owned and operated an american mill
mircea_popescu: they can't even run a paper mill for chrissakes.
asciilifeform: and, mostly completing the list, maintaining infrastructure (sort of!)
asciilifeform: 'Industry is the only true source of wealth, and there was no industry in Rome. By day the Ostia road was crowded with carts and muleteers, carrying to the great city the silks and spices of the East, the marble of Asia Minor, the timber of the Atlas, the grain of Africa and Egypt; and the carts brought nothing out but loads of dung. That was their return cargo. London turns dirt into gold. Rome turned gold int
B007: we have about the same gdp as all of europe
mircea_popescu: fucking is also down in the us.
B007: thats accually a good point, but it is still true that smoking in the us is down
mircea_popescu: so there you have it : smoking is down and the industry makes a degree of magnitude more than social media.
mircea_popescu: BTI is probably a better example. ~5 per share in the 80s, 100+ per share now.
mircea_popescu: about 7x as big as facebook, to put it in terms readily digestible by the online crowd
asciilifeform: folks who don't get their 'dietary minimum' of 'millideaths per day' tend to get edgy.
asciilifeform: there's also 'mortido' (as in libido)
B007: smoking is way down in the us
mircea_popescu: therefore i am special
ozbot: Two for the Money (2005) - Quotes - IMDb
asciilifeform: (people who endlessly fidget with their cars)
mircea_popescu: i would guess this'd be because a gun is pretty much the coolest toy adults can afford.
asciilifeform: ballistics testing is possibly the #1 hobby of youtube folks
asciilifeform: for those concerned with the question of what will or won't go through X, 'youtube' is the place.
mircea_popescu: i just can't conceive how that'd happen. maybe if the round was hand filled with dust ?
asciilifeform: brought it up because of the taser/coat question.
asciilifeform: but, i wasn't there, did not see this alive.
moiety: we had a bren but we arent allowed it back with out getting the licence redone in England
mircea_popescu: the round, even historical, is closely subsonic.
asciilifeform: the first bullet proof vests were, after all... silk.
asciilifeform: at one point, two drunken grunts decided to have a duel with them
asciilifeform: there is a curious tale about those
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves double the chain with kevlar, he can shoot you till he gets bored.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: short doesn't do much - modern electric shocker works the way a photo flash does - charge a cap, and let it short through the victim
ThickAsThieves: yeah then he'll shoot you for real
ThickAsThieves: yeah now these drone vid guys wanna sort humane help for cops
asciilifeform: they should require a firing squad with at least plastic rounds.
mircea_popescu: also, tasers are stupid easy to counteract. no idea why anyone thinks they're effective or anything.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves people volunteer for women in heels to walk all over their ballsack.
asciilifeform: they go to spam school.
mircea_popescu: any topic they touch turns to shit
asciilifeform: http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/8/5483774/the-cupid-drone-strikes-with-80000-volts-to-the-chest
ThickAsThieves: checl out these ads http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/8/5485006/colorado-releases-new-drugged-driving-ad-campaign
ozbot: Arthur Nakamoto: My brother, Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto... : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zx9zj/arthur_nakamoto_my_brother_dorian_satoshi_nakamoto/
asciilifeform: damn, i should read the u.s. fishwraps more often, full of lulz
mircea_popescu: "The two went through a contentious divorce in 1999 but remained friends, business partners and housemates sharing the $3.7 million, six bedroom, eight bathroom home."
asciilifeform: from the same rag, 'Canadian man who poked holes in condoms to impregnate girlfriend loses appeal'
ThickAsThieves: so your son can fight the good fight
ozbot: Infinity Blade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ThickAsThieves: mp did you ever play that iOS game where every time you die you are the son?
mircea_popescu: why do you want to play anything other than your character anyway ? because inept game design introduced artificial barriers perhaps ?
mircea_popescu: for instance by removing the incentive to make one
asciilifeform: flower in the desert.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelated - from what part of the world is mpoepr ?
ThickAsThieves: illidan warglaives probly made them millions of $
Duffer1: if you're going to make every lvl 80 character class look the same in end game then you better damned well make them look good
ThickAsThieves: they didnt appreciate vanity enough
Duffer1: it's like they had one modeller doing everything, who's style showed throughout every piece of gear, and the rest of the team were disgruntled texture artists
ThickAsThieves: i think their budget was just nil
Duffer1: in wow i always got the sense that the texture artists were really unhappy with the models they got
ThickAsThieves: basically dota 2 riffed off WoW and removed some of the cartoony aspects
Duffer1: try the first borderlands if you're into rpgs
ThickAsThieves: i dont play that either
ThickAsThieves: i hat ethe art style
ThickAsThieves: but they let you replace entire parts really
ThickAsThieves: like hat or clothes or helmet
cazalla: yet to play that but i assume outfits are just their version of LoL skins?
ThickAsThieves: it seems stupid, but dota 2 letting you buy outfits is such a better solution then just not designing new ones
ThickAsThieves: it's also insulting how often they'd reuse models
cazalla: i'm looking forward to EQN but i doubt it'll be as hardcore as the original, that's not so bad once you have kids though
Duffer1: i have no interest in mists of pandas or the new one
ThickAsThieves: like the Arena raid
ThickAsThieves: and they got very lazy on raid design
Duffer1: ya they introduced it wayyyy too late
ThickAsThieves: fuck me if i'm gonna spend all the time to level
cazalla: although i will agree that with an older game like WoW, it makes sense to let people buy levels as it's population heavy at the top end
ThickAsThieves: so i had to roll them myself as leader
ThickAsThieves: likein WoW, there was often a shortage of tanks and healers
ThickAsThieves: sure, maybe the first time, and less and less each time after
cazalla: you need to make the leveling process slow if you do it that way imo
ThickAsThieves: let me roll another character without doing every stupid quest again
cazalla: ThickAsThieves: you end up with more idiots who don't know how to play their class that way
cazalla: wao-ender: depends if it's only used to buy products from the company or if players can do trade
wao-ender: cazalla: is there problem to make it as in-app payments?
mircea_popescu: cazalla thats the plan
ThickAsThieves: i almost wanna get into 3d modelling just to bank off all the hat buyers
mircea_popescu: imo the only games worth playing anymore are btc games, if well done.
cazalla: of the game
cazalla: what's the name again
cazalla: i saw pics of that on your blog i believe unless i'm wrong, forget the name
ThickAsThieves: i'd play dota 2 way more if btc was on the line
cazalla: i hope and mmo brings bitcoin into a game and does away with their own in game currency, that'd be interesting in a game with a solid crafting system
cazalla: bliz moba will just be another social game with a shop so you can spend more money on flair
ThickAsThieves: so now the Bliz moba feels deriviative
ThickAsThieves: these Bliz moba videos arent very compelling
mircea_popescu: there's legendary and i think 2 more rarities past that
mircea_popescu: there's no relics crafted yet, too expensive
mircea_popescu: well in fairness i craft epic items and moist everyone doesn't have them