mircea_popescu: then the yallocated ownershiop exactly the way the original MPOE shares were allocated :
mircea_popescu: on the other side of things, the govt decided to split up all the industry, and create a bunch of "shareholders".
Neil: They just want the job they thought they could keep for life, rather than having to think and do something else
mircea_popescu: new govt allowed everyone to "buy back" this at nominal prices. due to inflation the average 800 sq foot apt everyone had ended up costing less than a computer.
Neil: It's interesting how people believe automation will eliminate their ability to do anything. But it's clear that people always want something more - that's the nature of being human after all. So there is always demand for more products / services. Why isn't that obvious?
mircea_popescu: the way it worked was that as long as you maintained employment, you got free housing from the govt dept of housing.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the state out of some sort of revolutionary excess or idealistic confusion or whatever, decided it will allocate all its resources to the population. just like that.
mircea_popescu: the average romanian was too fucktarded to understand even the basics of how economy works. at all.
mircea_popescu: imagine a town the size of akron, ohio, which has exactly one restaurant in it
Neil: Yeah; the state destroying incentives is something that has gotten so clear to me in the last 2-3 yrs yet I'm baffled by how few around me see it.
mircea_popescu: so this put them in this strange position whereby even if they wanted to, they couldn't do anything.
mircea_popescu: but more importantly without any of the mental structures that'd allow them to work productively.
Neil: impressed by the speed at random linking
mircea_popescu: well, it'll be lengthy. the whole story is in an article i wrote about romanians a while back, http://trilema.com/2011/povestea-celor-trei-imparati-smecheri-si-a-celor-trei-negustori-fraieri-fabula-in-versuri-ilustrata/
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a good chance you misrepresent what "doing for oneself" means in this context.
Neil: Well spent my life getting off my ass doing stuff for others, but no more
mircea_popescu: Neil and now you're coming to the why things are structured this way.
Neil: In a parallel universe with no risk you see, I mighta been interested in investing in some of your ventures. Though the terms are clear, it's also the problem, as a) a 30BTC fine to "play" means there's gotta be something worth playing for, and b) I worry about you getting run over by a bus, for example, because c) it's all really quite opaque and I rate b) as ~2% annually, which is quite a JTD risk.
Neil: mircea_popescu: So do you ever take a holiday? Or is your life so fulfilling doing your thang that you never want to chill out so that delivering statements in the first few days of each month is never an issue? Is that job subordinated to anyone else yet?
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bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu very sorry about the dubiousity. it's been corrected… the formatting on this one has a mind of its own on the blogs-b-a site but seems to be working well on the blog itself. my guess is the copy/pasting messed it up. thx for taking the time to read it and provide feedback!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how come you're not actually trying to run a book then ? is it illegal where you live or something ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I plan on covering most of the sports. Next is probably Basketball because it is the least betable.
mircea_popescu: if only you were there, o cyrano of bingoiac, to whisper in their ear at '80s raves and whatnot. all the professional cunt they could've ravished...
mircea_popescu: "great conflict between the Apollonian grace and Dionysian chaos is a root of great art", listen to that, you've made generations of middle aged jocks tear up.
mircea_popescu: "2 of my students wrote a Google Glass trojan that secretly takes photos and uploads them to a 3rd party. Oh, and got it into the Play store."
mircea_popescu: also it's dubious practice that you take the painstaking care to mention whatever bitcoiny site but somehow omit to point out on what venue you heard this entire thing about berkshire.
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete the quote is good, but why does it come with a lower scrollbar ? it's unreadable this way.
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/12/an-overview-of-betable-sports-part-1-baseball/
MisterE: haha so it's all about going after the little guy
asciilifeform: phun phact. only consumer ISPs are part of the 'n strikes' pact.
MisterE: now they go after you thru your isp
BingoBoingo: No, they don't do some kinds of those in some jurisdictions
MisterE: they dont do those anymore
BingoBoingo: Shady, foreign, and streaming is the way to be
BingoBoingo: MisterE: I'd want to know more about how their site and player are architected, but that could just easily be some podunk law firm fishing for ip's to gather for one of those mass John Doe suits.
BingoBoingo: Eh, the streaming sites provide the content without putting me in a position to be distributing it. I dun think the risk reward for torrenting the wrong this is a good value proposition in my jurisdiction.
MisterE: yea think I have met them ;/
BingoBoingo: MisterE: I do this chan, was on CoinChat before TF went scam, and I blog at http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/
MisterE: BingoBoingo: do I know you from another tracker?
BingoBoingo: When Ver can protect his Island with a fleet of Hind Hella Choppas then we can talk transuranic
BingoBoingo: Well, if you were selling the other kind, I would suggest Bitcoin might not be mature enough for that yet...
bitcoinpete: S.MPOE seems to be all over the place of late.
nubbins`: was in a band once called Goat, the Provider
herbijudlestoids: there isnt time lol!
nubbins`: "I'm afraid I cannot address your problem. I have much more important things to think about just now: sea urchins, hordes of them, with their evil poisoned spines, there in the sea, just out of view, waiting… waiting…"
nubbins`: Robinson's comment on the mixup:
nubbins`: "The Brighton-based Argus took a question from a reader obsessed with the fragile truce between man and caprine, and somehow misattributed it to Richard Robinson, the director of the Brighton Science Festival."
nubbins`: don't bother clicking ;(
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benkay: jcpham mirror the goatforum too
ThickAsThieves: i think he wanted to solve the content problem
nubbins`: well then!
ThickAsThieves: me either
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ThickAsThieves: nubbins` mp lost all the coinz on gox i guess
Diablo-D3: yeah, theres way more of it in nyc and la
bitcoinpete: The difference: competition
bitcoinpete: "Exotic dancers are flocking here from as far away as Russia for the same reason as everyone else - to make their fortune in a place known as Kuwait on the Prairie."
mircea_popescu: check out the lamborghini textiles
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 is that like the island next to blehFU ?
mircea_popescu: mdwu well that's about all that's been said on the topic.
mircea_popescu: didja read the feb report ?
mdwu: did you turn it off because it was too much hassle to hedge the big short order last money?
mircea_popescu: mdwu once there's a usable, meaningful spot yeah
mircea_popescu: going back to the forum link in question... it's reasonably published
ThickAsThieves: dont make it like you are and arent at the same time
ThickAsThieves: like i said before, youve got a reason for not publishing your personal wealth, if you dont want to say the reason, that's fine
mircea_popescu: somehow the entire show me your cock thing got shoehorn into a slightly different discusison
asciilifeform: you might do it to demonstrate an indestructible robotic prosthesis, but otherwise it's pointless
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the usual purpose one obtains doing that lol.
ThickAsThieves: i dont believe there is a known addy that is definitively your coins
mircea_popescu: its in the faq innit ?
ThickAsThieves: ive dug up some in the past
mircea_popescu: i just made a comment re the bitbet addies, you can tally those up, they're published
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know the mpex addy, neh ?
ThickAsThieves: then why is it you do not display your coins
mircea_popescu: mdwu that the poor person likely sucks.
mircea_popescu: tbh what i perceive is the matter here is that you live in an environment where poor black dudes stare you down as a daily routine, and i just said "da fuck is this, you stare THEM down mothefucker! they're poor, not you" which created a little disonance
ThickAsThieves: i guess it does usually take a lot of kicking and screaming on the occassions you do give in though... so maybe i'm wring
ThickAsThieves: whether i am perfectly articulating my case, or presenting it in the exact way to get a straight answer, you do know what I am saying
ThickAsThieves: we're just dancing anyway, i don't see any other way to interpret this
ThickAsThieves: to not share the info
ThickAsThieves: no they are motivations
mircea_popescu: these are reasons ?
mircea_popescu: why am i not fucking them in particular X manner you'd prefer ? because i'm me.
ThickAsThieves: but why arent you fucking them
ThickAsThieves: and i further qualified it
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> while i'm unlikely in the top 500, i wouldnt want to be known as such << this is the line that sparked the discussion
ThickAsThieves: nor why you dont either
ThickAsThieves: i mean i know you do your part to spank the idiots and seize your day
mircea_popescu: because im too over the top as is.
ThickAsThieves: you asked why be shy, i said why, you said yeah but, then i asked well why are you shy?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves anyway, it wasn't some sort of "omg you're a bad person", it was more of a "why the fuck would you be shy of the world. fuck em."
Neil: One of the inputs to that address used for the payout was 4368 BTC; which is like 40% of bitbet volume at that time...
mircea_popescu: this was the diff bet no ?
mircea_popescu: Neil that's just a function of how the payouts on large bets work.
ThickAsThieves: the context being a list of wallet addresses
Neil: mircea_popescu: Coz you spent a huge output for the big payout on bitbet; it wasn't an input to anything plausible on bitbet in its history. So bitbet's wallet it definitely being mixed with something else - yours or mpoe's or ...
mircea_popescu: there, how bad is that.
ThickAsThieves: which was exactly the topic
ThickAsThieves: an mpex addy could be for the members
ThickAsThieves: no just surprised i didnt note the hypocrisy til now
mircea_popescu: "Odi Kosmatos 2m @bitcoinpete @Mircea_Popescu (previous knee-jerk tweet deleted) Hi Mircea, are you the guy who thinks everyone else is stupid? Appropriate!"
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: You've got to make some openly know, others less openly known. Just in case someone with the means for abduction possesses a soldering iron.
mircea_popescu: whose world is it, yours or theirs ?
ThickAsThieves: it seems the shitheads would rather tear down and be in denial about those above them while observing
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves just discussing the more general point. why should you be in their heads ? because you're cool, and they aren't./
mircea_popescu: Neil i have no idea what you're asking. bother me ? why would it bother me. it's my government, it does my laundry.
ThickAsThieves: wtf use do i have to be in these people's heads
Neil: mircea_popescu: Does the Romanian govt not bother you? Are they not interested tax-wise in your activities?
mircea_popescu: dude, you gotta asume your status in the world.
ThickAsThieves: what gain would it have otherwise
ThickAsThieves: while i'm unlikely in the top 500, i wouldnt want to be known as such
Neil: ThickAsThieves: regarding # addresses with large coin - it's very stable; I've been tracking it. There is a small downtrend except for the top 500 which has been in uptrend
ThickAsThieves: i used to have all this music in me, but then i stopped binge drinking and dating and working for the man
ThickAsThieves: other stressful emotions too
nubbins`: we just don't remember them ;D
ThickAsThieves: more depression and emotion went into them as well
nubbins`: there are plenty of old albums that are shit
ThickAsThieves: usually the earlier albums have had much longer to bake
nubbins`: there's still amazing music being made, it's just harder to find
ThickAsThieves: i think there are many forces that make this happen
ThickAsThieves: again the older stuff is better, newer stuff drifting into being too music driven
ThickAsThieves: you might like the old stuff
nubbins`: but they send a shiver up my spine every time
nubbins`: "And you say ok the bridge or someplace later."
mircea_popescu: KRS1 ass notrly, unless they're dirty sluts. cunt sure.
nubbins`: the guy really speaks to me
nubbins`: "Cohen was very briefly a member of the Church of Scientology, which he had heard was a 'good place to meet women.'"
diametric: I still think its a good thing there is such transaction volume, even if it doesn't directly translate to bitcoin being exchanged and moved between people and groups.
nubbins`: yoga pants aren't smell barriers, so i'd say it'd smell the same way yoga classes do now
KRS1: oh kick ass you can finally see the entire female parts
ThickAsThieves: they take btc
dub: whats the data from?
ThickAsThieves: "The London-based bitcoin news provider (Coindesk) plans to announce on Thursday that it is adding Bitfinex to its price index, which currently includes Bitstamp of Slovenia and BTC-e of Bulgaria. Bitfinex is incorporated in Hong Kong."
nubbins`: ;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 patron of the arts
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mircea_popescu: might be a pioneer in that because I was going to the Salvation Army and getting old dresses and old pieces of just cloth and making something quite wonderful out of them to dress myself, my child, and to make wonderful clothes."
mircea_popescu: "Suzanne: Well, that could be. The half crazy could pertain to the sadness, but I think it was because I was so on a creative drive and the focuses were so strong in spite of any private grief I may have about my break up with Armand and the wheres and whys. There was so much other wonderful things happening. There was the activism. I was already becoming aware of recycling at a very young, young age and I might say, I
pLambert: My ancestors moved to the US from Bohemia, now I can't find that place on a map!
KRS1: I cry for the 'Peans.
mircea_popescu: most of central europe is so dubious... basically you can give a 5yo a crayon and the map
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the glatz is obviously eastern prussia, not western ua :D
asciilifeform: best proof of this oddity - their own www sites.
mircea_popescu: A federal jury found Litvak guilty on all counts, according to media reports. The 12-member jury found Litvak guilty on 15 criminal counts, including 10 of securities fraud. The defendant had pleaded not guilty to the 15 counts."
mircea_popescu: "Former Jefferies Group managing director and senior trader, Jesse Litvak, indicted on charges of securities fraud, fraud connected to the US Troubled Asset Relief Program (Tarp) and falsifying statements to the federal government, has been convicted of defrauding investors.
asciilifeform: galicia (western ua) is a curious 'nature preserve', where critters thought extinct in the 1940s roam freely.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's definitely a blackout, it being the message of the enemy. duh.
asciilifeform: 'The guest post from Renée last week appeared on this blog because Huffington Post refused to run it. And now I hear that no comment linking the new Ukrainian government to the neo-Nazis or the neo-Nazis to the mass murder in Kiev can get through on any news site. It seems like there is an actual news blackout on this message.'
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there's no less shady bank left. they are exactly equally shady, like communicating vessels
mircea_popescu: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/13/world/europe/russia-reins-in-another-news-organization.html?_r=0
pLambert: I have heard the paleo diet gets rid of inflamations and discomforts ...
ThickAsThieves: i dont drink or do any other drugs anymore, and this seems to be leading to odd cravings
ThickAsThieves: my dad has fibromyalgia, maybe i'm getting there too
benkay: but, in the end, major additional investment in a terrible
benkay: projections will be dazzling - the advocates will be sincere -
benkay: (The
ThickAsThieves: i guess i better cut back on the ginger
pLambert: non-anal is not the same as nonan-al :)
mircea_popescu: "The past few days I have been doing a model reaction reacting 1-octene with syngas (CO and H2) to make nonanal" y non anal ?
ThickAsThieves: it being spicy i suppose is the first indiator
Diablo-D3: okay, one of these tests is "blood urea nitrogen"
mircea_popescu: yeah by the time you have that problem you're well screwed.
Diablo-D3: I already did a piss test for that, havent gotten the results yet
Diablo-D3: pLambert: so, theres a blood test for this nitrogen shit, right?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves probably at the worst some digestive tract inflamation
Diablo-D3: its why the american diet fails
pLambert: say whatever you want, but if you are burning protein the nitrogen is going out of your body via urine.
mircea_popescu: alcohol that'll kill a pacific islander = 0.1% of the dose well tolerated by a caucasian
Diablo-D3: dub: I agree, the FDA is full of shit
Diablo-D3: its only an issue if you're eating the typical american diet and you have, say, diabetes
Mats_cd03: the psychological effects are what most people are concerned about
dub: if your basis for anything is the FDA you're already fucked btw
Diablo-D3: but its a lot higher than the FDA would like you to believe
Diablo-D3: pLambert: there is a level where too much protein is bad
pLambert: if your body is burning protein for energy, you will have to get rid of all the nitrogen somehow, which wears out your kidneys
asciilifeform: but work they do.
mircea_popescu: <benkay> american college students are so self-important they can barely work service industry gigs. << this.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Maybe we bet on whether gout or kidney disease happens firstsies?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> benkay: probably not the cattle. but the folks who actually know some useful trade. << most of those have already left.
benkay: i have no idea what exactly the dropoff is, but 75% protein for an extended period of time is fukken dangerous.
dub: benkay: people are different, the only way to apply any science is test your blood regularly
dub: benkay: there are few real rules
mircea_popescu: help bring down the us banking system.
mircea_popescu: judge can order whatever he wants, the bitcoin he can't touch
mircea_popescu: <benkay> pray they're not due before we emerge from the Trough. << no actually : take loan, buy bitcoin, give bank the finger.
benkay: what's the cal/g fat?
Diablo-D3: benkay: dude, thats like, way above what the FDA brainwashed people to believe is the maximum
Diablo-D3: dub: nothing, it just spoils too quickly and its hard to get stuff grown in america most of the year
Diablo-D3: its actually rather good
Diablo-D3: now for the vegs...
ThickAsThieves: i have been the same way with jogging at times
dub: ThickAsThieves: its the first thing he's ever stuck to for more than a minute
ThickAsThieves: really i think D3 simply cherishes what got him healthy to the point of fanaticism
benkay: so Diablo-D3 once you drop all the weight via completely cutting out carbs, one can lead a pretty healthy life eating the occasional sugar thing (or beer, or wine), provided you supplement with exercise.
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: eating natural fruit is about the only source of sugars pretty much
ThickAsThieves: the more processed*
ThickAsThieves: i think maybe a common ground here might be, we can all agree that the processed a food is, and the more unnatural chemicals make it up or are used to create it, the worse the food is
benkay: i'd assume - do you have other input sources to consider?
benkay: of course the stuff that goes in your face
Diablo-D3: benkay: is there a web calculator for that somewhere?
Diablo-D3: I attribute it to government interference in the natural diet of humans.
ThickAsThieves: certainly not in the sense you imagine
Diablo-D3: Their reign of terror is over.
Diablo-D3: The FDA can no longer brainwash america.
benkay: Diablo-D3's clearly all the way in column a.
Diablo-D3: all you do is bitch when I bring up the fact obesity has been cured.
ThickAsThieves: just cuz you found an angle doesnt make it the divine answer to all things
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: the thing is, I lost this weight without increased exercise.
Diablo-D3: I have all the proof I need to know I'm right. I'm living proof.
Diablo-D3: you can run ten thousand miles and never get skinny, you can eat the FDA recommended diet and never get skinny