benkay: no, you're missing the point. this app on a phone isn't changing anything.
HowardF: your missing the point benkay. everybody already carries a phone. no need to change existing habits
HowardF: also, if you actually look at rape statistics, its rarely a quick thing, and often theres a period of lead up before the actual rape, so its usefulness may be greater than you guys think...
benkay: you don't need money to change the world, just passion and drive, right guys?
Azelphur: then go make it, you don't need money
Azelphur: ughlol: that's the thing, I can't even think of any situation where this app would work, at all
benkay: nope, shooting down shitty ideas makes the world a better place.
ughlol: thinking that it can't help 100% of the rape victims
benkay: what if they're on a train?
HowardF: based on the assumption someone is being raped / hurt, i imagine it only has to be accurate enough to get within earshot of someone screaming
Azelphur: best case scenario to get to the destination is 10 minutes I'd say, even if it was just around the corner
ughlol: I think GPS should do the trick.
ughlol: Nobody wants to be the hero.
HowardF: i would look for / seek out help from organizations that already deal with rape and rape victims. there are lots, and they would be a good place to start
HowardF: trust me, ads ALWAYS insult people... even on facebook they still get crap for showing ads.
ughlol: Azelphur: clicking the SOS button can't be accidental.. will implement a simple code or pattern or something so that it cant be pressed accidentally.
ughlol: and they can understand that to develop and maintain something like this, we require som emoney.
HowardF: donations / non-profit status is the only path i could see, but done correctly, that could certianly be a viable option
joecool: could go just about *anywhere* else better in the world
joecool: <benkay> or not letting your girl go to the bathroom unattended in fucking india < why go to india in the first place
HowardF: difficult at best. asking for money to install the app would be insulting. ads would be insulting.
ughlol: Maybe not in the millions, but at least a break-even?
ughlol: HowardF: based on your experience, is there no way for an app like this to make money?
benkay: or not letting your girl go to the bathroom unattended in fucking india
Azelphur: an alarm MIGHT have prevented the train one, for example
Azelphur: yea, that's why I think an alarm would be better, that at least gets the attention of people around you
HowardF: benkay, even if it succeded in calling out for help / support after the fact, it could be useful
Azelphur: yea, the flappy bird thing was pretty crazy xD
Azelphur: ughlol: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nebulastudios.meagainstrape what's this then?
HowardF: in south africa rapes happen every few minutes... there are places where this kind of app could definately be take seriously.
Azelphur: ughlol: there also seems to be apps that already do most of what you're suggesting
ughlol: Watch it with a translator and then tell me Im trying to seek just attention and scam away some bitcoins.
benkay: ughlol: you're making the mistake of looking at a random event as a reproducible event.
ThickAsThieves: it has the opposite reaction
ThickAsThieves: also dont go calling things social media (or any other trendy word) just to get attention
HowardF: looking for profit while writting this is the wrong idea though. look for donations / goverment / non-profit support instead
Azelphur: but, there's no profit in i
Azelphur: yea, I like the idea, there's lots of things that could be done (alarm, contract nearby, just like he says)
ughlol: HowardF: thank you for the support sir, that means a lot.
HowardF: i still think there are places and countries where this wouldn't be a bad idea though. india, but also large areas of africa, etc.
ughlol: TomServo: the location would be inaccurate, but it is possible to send an sos message to nearby people based on last seen location etc.
ughlol: HowardF: oh, then I am mistaken.
TomServo: Right.. but the location?
ughlol: these 'helpers' can help in such emergencies
HowardF: ( having written and worked for several very large social networks by the way, let me assure you, ads don't make as much as you think )
TomServo: How would this work in the train rape scenario you quoted?
ughlol: Azelphur: It will be a social networking application that revolves around location services and the rape intervention will be a major feature of the app.
Azelphur: ads in the app...that sounds like a ridiculously terrible idea for something like this
HowardF: i like the idea, but see any kind of profit unlikely. however asking for donations rather than investments may get you somewhere...
ughlol: This would be the USP for my app
ughlol: Azelphur: profit is through ads in the app, and also sponsorship from govt etc.
Azelphur: and yea, where's the profit?
ughlol: "A seven-year-old-girl was raped on a train traveling through the Indian state of Chhattisgarh, and discarded near a market in Bilaspur City. The rape is believed to have taken place sometime between Friday night, August 9 and Saturday morning, August 10. The perpetrator had forced his way in while the child went to use the toilet, and thrust an Indian 10-rupee note in her hand when he was done."
ughlol: Azelphur: Imagine you're a girl, if you feel you'll be raped, all you'd need to do is press an SOS button and your location will be relayed to the nearest PD and the friends who are within a few km's radius and your family.
ughlol: but rape prevention/intervention is the USP
ughlol: and looking for investment for the same
benkay: bitcoin-central doesn't seem to be on that list either
ThickAsThieves: such good friends they all were to kick gox's corpse tho
ThickAsThieves: i see bitstamp isnt invited to the blockchain.info hot to buy page
dexX7: the context is "offline"
nubbins`: and if they ever stacked blocks as a child
nubbins`: i wonder what planet the person who did that rendering is from
thestringpuller: Apocalyptic: if that were the case I would pay everyone under minimum wage until they stop complaining about not being able to do their job
Apocalyptic: thestringpuller, you get what you pay for I guess
dub: ie, the delivery
dub: was the spearfishing/mitm/injection atttack called quantum too?
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
thestringpuller: Essentially. Cept not the online kind.
thestringpuller: 15 year olds from the hood*
Apocalyptic: not only American thestringpuller
thestringpuller: You know the characters on Girls are pretty much spot one with the youth of today. It's really sad. Fucking American young people suck.
benkay: while making dinner with a babe is a wonderful, potentially very sexy experience, i expect dishes on the dinner table.
ThickAsThieves: i guarantee she can't cook either
ThickAsThieves: she's obv the type to blame things on everyone else
ThickAsThieves: black people always can find pride in what they arew
benkay: who've yet to catch up to the drug dealers in terms of financials.
benkay: notably unlike the bitcoin "businesses"
dexX7: http://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/screen-shot-2014-03-13-at-08-20-39.png leah is hiding and practising how to shoot to be ready for "the nice pre-puberty bitcoin community"
benkay: you'll note that the successful hustlers like the jiggaman actually do take a certain amount of pride in their ability to do accounting and such: http://rapgenius.com/Jay-z-no-hook-lyrics#note-38838
ThickAsThieves: so many awesome cultural phenomenons on the hood
ThickAsThieves: acknowledging sometimes they just wanna let loose
ThickAsThieves: trappers even prop up the concept of being ignornat
mike_c: and mpoe-pr stands above smacking stupid crabs back into the pot.
ThickAsThieves: the older hip hop heads still call it a crab trap though
mike_c: or perhaps that is the reverse. they are all too willing to shove some stupid crab up into the spotlight.
ThickAsThieves: tearing eachother up
ThickAsThieves: fighting for the food
ozbot: Law of Jante - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ozbot: Crab mentality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ThickAsThieves: they used to call it a crab trap
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crab%20trap | When the recipient of anal sex squeezes his or her sphincter trapping the giver's penis so he cannot pull out easily.
benkay: thestringpuller: you know gribble responds in private chat, right?
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gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapping | to set up on the corner and sell dope. man im bout to go to the trap and make some cheese. by monolog May 06, 2003. 1207 191. Mugs & shirts Buy “trapping” ...
mike_c: and that's it, the link store is closed.
blackwhite: so I want the actual data source (for my own visualization)
mike_c: i don't know about etc, but there is price and trading volume
ozbot: Ukraine: The Sovereignty Argument, and the Real Problem of Fascism » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts,
asciilifeform: http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/10/ukraine-the-sovereignty-argument-and-the-real-problem-of-fascism
asciilifeform: from the circus:
benkay: i'm looking forward to mircea's new sexual exhibitionist show "you thought she looked good in the studio!"
benkay: that's whats got me antsy this morning. "just because i'm paranoid does not mean they're not out to get me."
benkay: anyways the part that stuck with me was how they thought i'd been in louisiana, and had derped their butts out to the Cascades to have a "talk" with me. all eight of them.
benkay: chetty: in my dream every seat but the mid-row passenger seat in my truck was filled with a cop, and as I went to hop in my truck to do something, other cops stuffed me in the empty seat. and i haven't even been watching movies lately?
mircea_popescu: imsaguy he's waiting at the chinese border for his btc to be worth enough to allow him passage.
ThickAsThieves: it would of course be aweome drama if they are husbands
ThickAsThieves: i do think they have some sort of connection
mircea_popescu: dexX7 i agree, was kinda curious what his theory is.
chetty: benkay about that police state problem: http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/u-s-supreme-court-rejects-appeal-in-second-amendment-case-refuses-to-prohibit-police-from-using-lawful-gun-ownership-as-a-trigger-for-no-knock-police-raids/79786#more-79786
mircea_popescu: so your theory is that deprived is actually kate's ex male personality ?
imsaguy: probably the same person
ThickAsThieves: but they do have very coincidental availability
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: they mostly come out at night, mostly
ThickAsThieves: but i suspect Kate as also playing the market
ThickAsThieves: they were going at like 5% premium
dexX7: the good old btct times
mircea_popescu: what did they trade as ?
mircea_popescu: it boggles me that these ever sold for as premium
ThickAsThieves: i honest;y never checked the divs
ThickAsThieves: like any other bitcoin 'perpetual bond' except divs are based on USD rate
ozbot: Deluded Currency Cultists Believe The Dollar Is Invincible
chetty: http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2041-deluded-currency-cultists-believe-the-dollar-is-invincible
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bim4lUsIQAIxojO.png << from the "i can prove anything" department
benkay: you know what you did mircea_popescu. you shattered my faith in the ever-victorious empire of capitalism.
mircea_popescu: Merry Lopan / Jolly Lopan. let the cutsy translation live 4ever :D
mircea_popescu: o look, they're moving in
mircea_popescu: we just wanna fish bits from the river.
mircea_popescu: the madness shan't be stopped.
ThickAsThieves: dunno if he was anyone important enough to stop the madness though
mircea_popescu: well in that case neither are back
mircea_popescu: apparently even nails for the guns are in short supply
mircea_popescu: one jew to the other "heh heh see ? they're clearly losing the war, can't even afford the bullets anymore"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform coupla jews, awaiting to be shot by the nazis. at the last moment, a courrier arrives with orders to hang them instead
mircea_popescu: Neil since you mentioned jtd, you ever read the original mpoe prospectus ?
ThickAsThieves: and most of the bonds are held by like 5 people
dexX7: "For the purposes of the examples below we have used a price of €85.00 EUR/BTC. An interest rate of ~22%/year (0.38%/week) based on EUR/BTC value at time of issue (eg. ~€0.0032 / bond / week)." ... "100,000 bonds"
ThickAsThieves: AM100 on BTCT probably had the largest qty of shareholders
ThickAsThieves: she also makes it like there are 1000s of holders
dexX7: the dust limit is 0.0000564 btc which is about 0.036 usd
ThickAsThieves: the tiny dividend excuse is obnoxious
ThickAsThieves: than the bond
ThickAsThieves: of course you probly more mean the PT
ThickAsThieves: just the buying pressure was strong
dexX7: i remember what you said at the very beginning via pm when i asked about your standpoint. in the end i can only say: you were right
ThickAsThieves: never intended to hold them
ThickAsThieves: i'd be happy just to redeem them
dexX7: good job then
ThickAsThieves: well shit, now Kate is back the same day as Deprived...
dexX7: asciilifeform: what do the trezor guys wrong for example? i didn't really follow the progress
dexX7: well, i never would rely on it, but i think most act in good faith, others are like "omg someone will exploit this" but don't do anything and a tiny subset may actually try something nefarious
mircea_popescu: either one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one of these days write the specifics out rather than the vague summary, you can join the club of slanderous souls.
asciilifeform: the 'trezor' stuff is almost physically painful to read. it's as if they knew every single correct design decision, and did... the exact opposite.
mircea_popescu: "If anyone incurred costs taking legal advice in respect of my absence then please PM me and I'll look at reimbursing it (copies of invoices would be required)."
mircea_popescu: whoa look at that, deprived is back form the dead to call craigate a scammor ?!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves now how the fuck did that end up there http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20bh0w/richest_address_since_2011_until_2014_has_made/cg1mo8a
mircea_popescu: only the [intellectually] poor actually rely on it, and that's a community you never want to serve
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves search definitely could use some help. the problem is that by now, it devolved into the www equivalent of the check \cashing service
dexX7: i'm asking about deprived, because there was also creativx, another us issuer who vanished after btct who had a rock solid reputation
mircea_popescu: ughlol_afk that's ok, you're not the first one.
imsaguy: Did you know that the venom from the Brazilian Wandering Spider (World's deadliest spider) causes an erection in men? They want to use it in place of viagra.
dexX7: was he in the us?
ThickAsThieves: youre welcome for the idea mircea! ;)
ughlol: and was born into the wrong damn community of misers
ThickAsThieves: <ughlol> But a social network. Im looking for investment. /// boy did he come to the wrong place
ughlol: the economy in India sucks so bad
mircea_popescu: (ask all these other dudes who live in western countries, the entire girl thing makes 0 sense to them, for isntance)
mircea_popescu: which is why there's no such thing as "an idea".
mircea_popescu: which is the fucking point here. we gotta know you in order for anything you say to make any sense
mircea_popescu: which i suppose is very sad for the ugly girls,
mircea_popescu: we don't want that, so, unless she's pretty, she's screwed. (otherwise, she's fucked).
mircea_popescu: so here's the scoop : if we don't kill the ugly ones, they will slowly multiply and take over.
ughlol: Im one of them! :)
mircea_popescu: fuck them ?
mircea_popescu: the world isn't structured so as to make it possible for you to survive.
ughlol: I can't understand how investors dont understand that a two man team can't make a very great app, not in the desired timeframe. They say that they'll invest when they see a prototype.
mircea_popescu: finance is a profession, not something happenstance like picking up a coin you found in the bus station.
mircea_popescu: as in read those two things, do what you're told, take the time to do it well.
ozbot: Google : exploring the botomless pit of irrelevance, since 2004 or so. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/google-exploring-the-botomless-pit-of-irrelevance-since-2004-or-so/
ughlol: of course there is
mircea_popescu: ughlol there is no such thing as "an idea".
ughlol: Now I understand why the rich get richer and poor get poorer! :)
chetty: sit on the actual idea while you get to understand how best to pitch it here
ughlol: But the real question seems to be identity. Because neither did you ask for my idea to judge. You obviously wonder where your investment will go to.
mircea_popescu: so you'll have to somehow bridge these.
mircea_popescu: yes, but you're not trying to deal with the security world of india, are you ?
ughlol: but in the security world, at least in India, quite a bit
Neil: The fact that transactions (other than coinbase) are equally valid on both sides of a split is also an under-appreciated awesome stability feature.
ughlol: And I have to trade through bitcoin-otc or something to get some rep, otherwise nobody will be interested in investing?
nubbins`: ughlol: you may find that the barrier to entry is significantly higher here than many, many other places
Neil: mircea_popescu: It's nice, but nothing special. Just a self-adjusting mechanism. I think the economics / incentives of bitcoin are the smartest part. And the fact (other than block size which was a short-term expedient solution to a short-term problem) that so much was left to just float (including the creation of altcoins for example). I think that took balls and real insight. Satoshi was a cool dude for whom I'd love to buy
nubbins`: stopped updating when whatsapp stole all the customers ;(
mircea_popescu: how the shit was that app facebook bought called ?
ughlol: I have quite some good rep there.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jurov to user ughlol: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=ughlol | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ughlol | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: bitcoin has managed to maintain the time needed to get 2k blocks within one to three weeks in spite of infinite % growth of hash power.
Neil: But we need to regulate bitcoin, not the govt or local govt employees, coz they must be good and proper.
mircea_popescu: Neil actually the best measure of bitcoin robustness per se, i would think, is the time - to - hash mechanism.
Neil: Fscking Japanese pension system - they lost the records of 20 million people FFS. And then local govt employees were found pocketing money because the records were so inadequate they just could. You can't make something disappear from the block chain. Guy got up and walked off.
mircea_popescu: ughlol see either http://trilema.com/2014/la-firma/ or http://trilema.com/2014/pro-idiotas-which-obviously-means-people-who-have-ideas-ie-idiots/ depending on which level you're working on
Neil: Just coz the price bounces around a fair bit has nothing to do with the robustness of the system.
jurov: ughlol: have youread the MPOE-PR forum post on bitcoin enterprises?
Apocalyptic: "Too many people want "authority" to tell them what to do / think." // sadly true
Neil: Dude, who works for a media company, says "but bitcoin's not stable. Not robust. I worry about ... " and I'm thinking "WTF are you talking about? I can hardly imagine anything more stable/robust". I don't think I can relate on the same level any more. Too many people want "authority" to tell them what to do / think.
ughlol: Hi, I am looking for investment for a startup! :) Some friends over at bitcoin-otc said this might be the right channel to find potential investors!
mircea_popescu: so the whole thing can go africa quite easily.
mircea_popescu: by which point other major infrastructural points start suffering, ie, life in town will no longer be possible, but it is required for a certain post 1700 level of social an economic life.
Neil: So I was at a bitcoin meetup this evening. Japan. Which has recently learned about bitcoin (there was basically zip in Japanese 1 year ago on the internet, now it's on a par with the information / misinformation content that exists in English).
mircea_popescu: they are surrounded by the night, and the likely result is they will revisit romania's folly
mircea_popescu: i dun see much future in the us, let alone any magic manifest destiny sort of future. then again, im not from there and ostensibly don't much care.
mircea_popescu: Neil beliefs and experiences aren't telling the whole story.
mircea_popescu: there's a three part bit on trilema about essences, which really i'll have to have translated, it's too important.
TomServo: also: And the dynamism
nubbins`: fancy way of saying that being exposed to ideas will inspire curiosity in the receptive
Neil: jurov: well I realized about 3 years ago that all I'd been told about money (which was almost nothing - an amazing and likely deliberate gap of the education system) didn't make any sense. And I wanted to understand money. Started reading, and 6 months later find bitcoin (2011) and think wow, and then many things all became a lot clearer. Perhaps I'm slow, but in most things I'm not. Just never had really been given the right
mircea_popescu: but this doesn't excuse me from having to pick them first.
TomServo: specifically: At the time, I called the transaction an “all-in wager on the economic future of the United
TomServo: You seem to have some level of respect for Buffet.. so I'm curious what you'd say regarding his comments around the purchase of BNSF
mircea_popescu: TomServo the guy is definitely more worthy of being read, on a ROP basis, than pretty much any economics professor. and he doesn't even charge.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Thanks for the nudge to look at the Berkshire letters. Interesting stuff there.
mircea_popescu: Neil what people think is not controllable by their life experiences.
mircea_popescu: Neil well how would one know ? probably the best test would be, "how well does your school/parents/etc recognise itself in your beliefs", in which case they're pretty much mine.
mircea_popescu: a point often underscored by buffet re owning a fraction of the hope diamond rather than a whole lump of coal.
mircea_popescu: which is why random fuckwit discovering bitcoin is all about how "I WILL MAKE MY OWN EXCAHGE" rather than "i wonder where i could add my incremental effort"
mircea_popescu: while it's easy to laugh at these particular retards, such as the parents of every romanian girl i ever fucked, this is a bit like picking fun at the special olympic people.
mircea_popescu: "Mugur Isărescu, the president of the National Bank of Romania, estimated that it held a third of Romania's banknotes at one point."
gribble: Ponzi scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme>; Oral history collection - Library of Congress: <http://www.loc.gov/folklife/civilrights/survey/view_collection.php?coll_id=2696>; Concordia Discors. Turin Background Report: <http://www.concordiadiscors.eu/assets/BR_Turin1.pdf>