mircea_popescu: this could be understood on a macro level as "if there are outside constraints on your pow process, you'll need that many more iterations"
mircea_popescu: one would seem to be thermodynamic, which is to say that the total utility of work available is limited, and if you do outside useful work you won't do the work you set out to do in the first place.
mircea_popescu: well, there are two major problems involved here.
mircea_popescu: the entire thing shows striking similarities to the peta-and-animal-saving debacle, for that matter.
cads: mircea_popescu: lets leave aside the author's obvious retardation and focus on prime coin and the idea of doing externally useful work as a side effect of the cryptocurrency.
mircea_popescu: it's malignant alright, it's pointless alright, with or without all the huffpo crap the world would be exactly in the same position.
mircea_popescu: sort-of what the socialists are doing in the us, or the communists did in the soviet union.
mircea_popescu: perhaps amusing an exercise would be restructuring the argument, except directed at them.
mircea_popescu: now, that this is hogwashed into something pompous sounding like "malignant computing" is exactly typical of the mannerisms of the particular ideological group in question.
mircea_popescu: that's besides the point. there's a certain troop of losers that have had a purely ideological problem with bitcoin mining since 2009
cads: can we make a computing system that grows such that it harms the market? sure, high speed trading has caused serious disasters - but we can also argue those are just growing pains and we're better off for the high speed bots.
cads: but only gives as an example Primecoin, a c-currency where the proof of work involves finding primes.
benkay: what, securing the monetary base isn't universally useful?
BingoBoingo: Well I'll post this again in case anyone can't scroll up http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/13/an-overview-of-betable-sports-part-2-basketball/
cads: the author seems to hint that if a proof of work system is going to be malignant and self expandingit may as well be proof of some universally useful work
cads: Arguments like that have been raised originally against high frequency trading, and as we're familier with, against the hashchain algorithm.
cads: "The Skynet hypothesis is a boogeyman intended to scare the young and the paranoid. The real threat from AI is that it will become so good at the pointless tasks that we have given it that those pointless tasks will become a black hole of resources." I am reading an article about a concept the author calls malignant computing - computing that increases itself and hurts the market in an effort to perpetuate itself. http://radar.oreilly.
BingoBoingo: I swear I tried to do the basketball post as honestly as I could without calling it nigger golf
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well, I've seen little actual promise from ads in either space
mircea_popescu: cads noobs gotta think they're smart, you know ?
kakobrekla: meh even the non btc advertising platforms are scams
benkay: either cheaper or more expensive
BingoBoingo: benkay: It what way can I really turn the dial though
benkay: you have the price dial to turn as well
BingoBoingo: benkay: The thing is there is yet to be solid infrastructure for credits or advertising in BTC
benkay: you're missing the point.
BingoBoingo: benkay: basically the thought is if BTC keeps going up 30x a year, only a few BTC now can host a site for eternity
benkay: js embedded in the blockchain that executes in browsers
BingoBoingo: benkay: Site can't be hosted in the blockchain, but a contract can.
benkay: stick it in the blockchain, BingoBoingo
benkay: wow there's an idea forever hosting
BingoBoingo: My hope is I do this one fundraiser. Someone gets a year or decade of advertising, and the balance keeps the site alive for literally, rather than merely figuratively... forever.
B007: " Beijing is copying the Japanese tactic of ramping up public infrastructure spending to replace the steep slowdown in private sector investment."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
MisterE: In a sign the tension may be spreading, Belarus - a Russian ally - confirmed Moscow had deployed, at its request, extra fighter jets and military transport aircraft after Nato boosted its forces in the neighbouring Baltic countries.
benkay: The Rational Investor
joecool: BingoBoingo: in other news, pm
benkay: sticks, in the vernacular
benkay: as in the styx?
BingoBoingo: Oh, benkay I would have pegged you as being from the Republic of Oregon
mircea_popescu: the shame
mircea_popescu: bejeez all these foreigner terrorists getting uppity...
mircea_popescu: benkay you're not living in the US ?!
BingoBoingo: B007: It was a lie in the sense that the program admitted 3x more students than the market would bear and the students who got hired all sucked a meaner dick than I would
benkay: yeah you can get real far with the sv crowd chasing those lcd pageviews
benkay: someone who really matters in the ux world like twitter
joecool: (not done yet, but getting there)
joecool: BingoBoingo: site is abit rough on the eyes, my co is doing design for youmeandbtc in return for advertising
BingoBoingo: joecool: I am skeptical that I can find sponsors atm in the 2-8 BTC range, but... the blog made slasdot twice in 2014
BingoBoingo: joecool: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/
BingoBoingo: If one of the other bloggers want to be the Patron I would be amenable to Slashdot coaching.
BingoBoingo: I'm amenable to parting with both the painting of Kim Jung Il's heart attack on a train and a portion of my sidebar together.
BingoBoingo: My fundraising target for the blog is 2-8 BTC, which should be enough to keep it hosted... forever
BingoBoingo: Would there be more interest in this oil painting http://imgur.com/F6IjZAJ or years, plural of an advertising placement on the blog?
mircea_popescu: but you know, when in 500ad the sarmatians started pushing west, you knew something was scaring them at the other end.
mircea_popescu: and so we literally don't know wtf their jets actually are.
mircea_popescu: tho if we're to apply the old yurpean wisdom, considering how fucking scared the russians must be to spend so much on their sus... the chinese must be pretty bad.
joecool: mircea_popescu: i would guess it doesn't really matter what, but there will be a lot of whatever what is
mircea_popescu: and to top it all off, we don't even know what the chinese are flying.
BingoBoingo: Well on the news the USN is talking about getting more EWAR variant F/A 18's but the pentagon wants more money for vaporware F-35's because they can take off and land like a helicopter
BingoBoingo: Well, the US killed their most capable carriet based aircraft because Iran needed spare parts...
mircea_popescu: (they did have the jewish elecwarfare upgrades tho, which apparently are damned good)
chetty: they musta cheated
mircea_popescu: the nato exercise in 2012 consisted of a romanian team flying migs (old migs, mind you) as "the enemy"
chetty: but the US planes were all designed and built according to standards - and union rules and all, they must be the best
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: US only really advertised the MIGs as potention OPFOR... Prolly for morale reasons
BingoBoingo: Well, according to the Hollywood liason office SU just sells knock off plans to china.
mircea_popescu: well the problem is... strategic bombers are useless in this context. the russians can airplane-intercept tomahawks as it is.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the latest su can actually outfly sidewinders
BingoBoingo: The US pretty much only seems to have the solid win on strategic bombers... and if those are needed the war's been lost
mircea_popescu: and on countermissile and on a ton of other shit
BingoBoingo: US wins on ONGWTFBBQ planes, but they don'e have many of them... Most aren't approved for flight because pilots need oxygen
BingoBoingo: I dunno that the raphs suck
mircea_popescu: and the raphs suck.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Crimea was sealed in the NATO Libya intervention when the French Raphaels outperformed the new US aircraft
mircea_popescu: and obviously, the little secret nobody wants to share in the english language propaganda machine is that currently russian jets are about two classes over anything nato can fly.
BingoBoingo: At least the Black Sea doesn't seem like ti will be a shooting war anytime soon
joecool: putin keepin the pimp hand strong
mircea_popescu: much like the crimeea. you can posutre all you want, but in the realpolitik world crimeea was gone the moment obama got raped over syria.
BingoBoingo: Eu needed them more
BingoBoingo: They've been sliding more muslin for two decades now
mircea_popescu: snotty eu refused to let them in when they had a chance, and much to their detriment, as a eu member turkey would have definitely taken the eu out of any crisis
mircea_popescu: curious if they finally turn muslim, ataturk's memory and the military can only go so far.
mircea_popescu: these are just plain joe.
joecool: got worried when i saw the link and thought it was about me
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation as far as i recall the theory behind carbon dating and especialyl the "constant decay" part has been under fire for decades.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can probably laser/gamma/magnetic resonance for the ink inside huh.
BingoBoingo: Is Joe the new John Doe?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves punkman benkay it's wences' new thing. he previously made the same exact thing (lemon) which apparently got sold.
mircea_popescu: ( http://trilema.com/2012/the-wrong-man/ point in case. guy in that movie is a fine example)
BingoBoingo: 1950 was around the time fiat reached its maximum leverage though.
mircea_popescu: kinda the point, bank clerks cca 1950 could maintain a nice beachfront house in california, a housewife and her children
BingoBoingo: lawyering and s/sing are going down because the replacement level for each sucks more.
mircea_popescu: even cocksucking, if you believe the casino cocksuckers, is much less than it used to be
BingoBoingo: The replacement level poker player is skilling up.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah, totally, community is everything. except they have no idea what that word means.
mircea_popescu: that's why the promoter makes dough. if it were easy it'd be every kid and his app situation
BingoBoingo: They never do.
mircea_popescu: the way i'm thinking, if you pick a sport you like and you actually know enough about to make a line, you can then make that line, and promote it like any bookie
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: SO you get the ATC fund's status.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sometimes, but the blowjobs are above par
mircea_popescu: by the time yo uget her where she can defend herself at gunpoint, you also got her to where she's slipping herself roofies
BingoBoingo: Most male vetrans I've seen drunk enough to spill the dark secrets spill that they didn't kill people. A majority of the women who admit to being in firefights admit to shooting to kill people because they really don't want to carry goat boy to term if the base is over run
mircea_popescu: and as far as guns are concerned, they're for killing not for displaying.
mircea_popescu: lnovy it's about a degree of magnitude easier for me to get some dood to shoot at "the enemy" than it'd be to get some woman to shoot at her would-be attacker.
mircea_popescu: basically murder works exactly like siegel indicated : "we don't kill mooks, we just off each other"
mircea_popescu: lnovy yes, in the sense that it's much easier as a solider.
mircea_popescu: A total of 215,273 homicides were studied, 77% of which involved male victims and 23% female victims. Although women comprise more than half the U.S. population, they committed only 14.7% of the homicides noted during the study interval.
BingoBoingo: Female acquaintance killed a lot of people because they were unfuckable
BingoBoingo: And more the killing happens less in useful soldier applications
mircea_popescu: it takes six fucking months to break down the male blocks on killing, and even then it only works sorta 50-50.
BingoBoingo: Might be more valuable operating the missiles, or as officers commanding the mine grunts
mircea_popescu: think full metal jacket. you see a bunch of women in there with gunnery sargeant gomer pyle ?
BingoBoingo: I assume the women who would use it would be untrainable
BingoBoingo: Depends a great deal on the woman
mircea_popescu: the only way that's changing is once it becomes more productive economically to work than to procreate, which is probably an euphemism for never
mircea_popescu: in most of the world, woman chiefly still means head of cattle.
mircea_popescu: this notion that a woman is a person is very novel and very strange, and rather limited geographically. notwithstanding what western progressives would like to pretend.
mircea_popescu: Azelphur: yea, that's why I think an alarm would be better, that at least gets the attention of people around you << so they can join in ?
BingoBoingo: Or she cut out the implanon in her shoulder that was there to ward off the scammzor babies
mircea_popescu: even braindead bitcointalk scammers know enough of the world to be screaming thief while stealing.
mircea_popescu: if your wife suddenly throws a jealousy fit out of the blue, you know she's just been cheating.
BingoBoingo: I find amazing that in spite of a decade and a half of shitfits related to "extremist groups" whose membership never exceeds the hundreds, actual instability still comes from nation-states whose membership numbers in the millions to the hundreds of millions
mircea_popescu: i guess they don't teach that in self-affirmative-shiteater classes for womenz in tech and other important things huh.
mircea_popescu: dexx jesus the butthurt with that woman is phenomenal. what happened to "i've been a stupid cunt and all it took you folks was five minutes to make it obvious. you're awesome thank you so much for taking the time!"
ozbot: Ukraine: The Sovereignty Argument, and the Real Problem of Fascism » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts,
mircea_popescu: http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/10/ukraine-the-sovereignty-argument-and-the-real-problem-of-fascism
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not a bad read that. glosses over some stuff, but at least it glosses over different stuff from the usg propaganda machine
benkay: so - poor people are flocking to social media and bringing their poor habits with them i gather.
benkay: But Kent police, which investigated 3,528 crimes involving Facebook and 191 related to Twitter last year, gave one example where two women posted pictures online of themselves with stolen hubcaps."
benkay: "It is not clear exactly what part social media played in the crimes.
ozbot: The jailbird: Crimes on Twitter have soared by 390 per cent | Metro News
chetty: http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/12/the-jailbird-crimes-on-twitter-have-soared-by-390-per-cent-4548653/
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/13/an-overview-of-betable-sports-part-2-basketball/
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
benkay`: we picked up a contractor from an associate's shop that had folded, and immediately (despite not hiring the man), got a fat packet of mail from the state about this gentleman's employment status asking us all sorts of inane questions.
MisterE: benkay`: Chinese hate things they can not control
MisterE: War with Russia will be good for the economy
benkay`: chetty: why'd they do that?
ozbot: There's No Basketball Crowd Like One Close To Free Big Macs
Duffer1: heroes of the storm
benkay`: naked ladies at the protest?
MisterE: I should get over there
MisterE: man if Turkey destabilizes much more shit is gonna get real in the ME
MisterE: while the execs and shareholders clean up
BingoBoingo: Of course, the Queen being 40% of East Saint's revenue and somehow managing to at the same time be a bigger shithole than East Saint
benkay`: that being the government's business, of course.
benkay`: "concern about the impact on the neighboring Casino Queen prompted him to exclude Fairmount Park from getting gaming machines"
BingoBoingo: Gambling and the regulation thereof http://www.bnd.com/2014/03/13/3107196/no-dice-amended-gambling-bill.html
benkay`: is that who's trying to assume the mantle of power in turkey?
benkay`: who's paying for all of these banners? http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/turkey031314/s_t07_78148535.jpg
ozbot: In Turkey, Renewed Anti-Government Protests - In Focus - The Atlantic
benkay`: http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2014/03/in-turkey-renewed-anti-government-protests/100698/
decimation: why does a visa application list the salary of a housekeeper?
benkay`: i suppose that's discreet, if you're the gestapo.
BingoBoingo: Slow news day, but for the bored: http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/03/invertebrates-inject-a-bit-of-romance-during-sexby-stabbing-each-other/
decimation: The system works by measuring differences in gamma radiation emitted when atoms in radioactive elements "decay," or lose energy. This rate of decay is widely believed to be constant, but recent findings challenge that long-accepted rule.
ozbot: Malaysia Airlines Expands Investigation To Include General Scope Of Space, Time | The Onion - Americ
francis_wolke: http://www.theonion.com/articles/malaysian-airlines-expands-investigation-to-includ,35524/
decimation: of course, white papers are on thing, actually showing the details of the code is a different matter
decimation: I would give apple credit, they are a cut above the usual silicon valley crowd security-wise
decimation: asciilifeform I assume you saw the ios security document?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: You rated user toffoo on Fri Jan 31 10:30:17 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: his btc for my merchandise! he sent first!.
turbo_ac100: The MoNKeY? Google bash on trilema? Sounds about right.
nubbins`: the silvers fetch a higher premium, you wouldn't see a 1btc silver sell for less than 2.0-2.1
nubbins`: 2013 1btc brass ones fetch 1.15-1.3 on the forums and -otc
asciilifeform: likewise it is not unreasonable to expect players to purchase their own test coin.
asciilifeform: could offer prize specifically for reading the key without physically altering the coin.
nubbins`: since any failed attempt would mean the loss of not-insignificant value
nubbins`: <asciilifeform> has anyone offered a prize for snarfing the key from an intact coin? << not afaik. would have to be a hefty reward
nubbins`: they do come with stickers
asciilifeform: i have very little interest in the subject of casascius in particular, but in general i like the idea of 'blowing' systems that make false promises of security.
ThickAsThieves: i'm not interested in them as a foolproof secure storage
ThickAsThieves: i recall you talking on the topic before
asciilifeform: not what i had in mind at all (if you want to know what, read the channel logs, no reason to repeat)
nubbins`: apparently they left evidence of tampering
asciilifeform: if i recall, the current state-of-the-art involves a careful removal and replacement of the hologram
asciilifeform: has anyone offered a prize for snarfing the key from an intact coin?
ThickAsThieves: nubbins` do the blanks come with stickers?
asciilifeform: this was introduced in a hurry after '9/11' and vanished from the media as quickly as it appeared.
asciilifeform: benkay: the funniest bit is that there is a real-time sat link - including remote control.
benkay: unless of course i'm as usual missing an important part of the situation
benkay: it's kinda lolarious these vehicles aren't in touch with controllers at all time via satellite
benkay: gimme the lulz, Neil
nubbins`: upon which the sticker is laid
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: the privkeys are just printed on regular paper
benkay: what's the scam, twizt?
benkay: one of the funds that got hammered is behind that
BingoBoingo: So far their winddown doesn't seem scammy. I managed to get my coins out. It's also likely that running the thing just was too much of a hassle. Then again, it could get really scammy.
ThickAsThieves: 'Mr. Pierce said GoCoin’s analysis of the dogecoin community revealed a demographic very different from bitcoin’s, including many more women and less-tech-oriented users. He believes this in part stems from dogecoin’s logo'
BingoBoingo: benkay: Well, hedging on Bitbet would require sufficient betting interest in the event to make the event worthwhile to BitBet, and BitBet is showing sports betting with BTC isn't that big of a Market
benkay: hold/build/whatever the appropriate terminology is
benkay: BingoBoingo: can't you use Bitbet to hold the line?
benkay: did we rid -assets of the rapist?
ughlol: I'll come back on this chan when I have the app ready and runny, and then make fun of benkay! (Just kidding).
ughlol: Thats great! :) Thanks guys.. will do. Saved this chat for reference and to remember the suggestions.
ughlol: haha, I wish to make an investment from my social network and leave the USP to actually help rape victims.
Azelphur: hopefully you can make a nonprofit app that does the things we mentioned, like sending out a humanitarian lawyer and someone to help
ThickAsThieves: you could make the app and charge DV shelters to implement custom localized versions
ughlol: Not highly profitable, but we can make the break-even.
ThickAsThieves: well the problem is that's how he started
ughlol: How about asking rape victims to donate after they get saved due to the app.. just to help other future rape victims?
HowardF: i think you're just in the wrong room to discuss this particular project
ughlol: HowardF: yes, thats another great idea. Wow. I love discussing this here! :D The lawyer idea.. amazing. Thanks. *Noted*
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Legality wise I'm sure I could just say the book is part of the "Enhanced Reality game Bitcoin" like Micon does
ughlol: There are so many services like whatsapp.
ThickAsThieves: the app would be so easy to replicate
HowardF: actually that again brings up the point of support rather than prevention. it could also summon a human rights / free lawyer to prevent indias corrupt police from harrasing victims
Azelphur: there's another host that is even cheaper, I just can't remember its name off the top of my head
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The biggest obstacle I'd face putting together a book, especially a BTC one would be getting lines and bettors on those lines such that I could make vig intsead of propping up the otherside of every line.
ughlol: police actually lockup the victim, and also rape her a couple of times.. thats the reality in inda
Azelphur: I probably still have the chat logs from that somewhere, haha
Azelphur: I had to go to the host and specifically request a 32MB VPS, they didn't sell them, and the host actually told me I was crazy and that I couldn't even get the OS to run in that. But I did, and everything else I needed :)
ughlol: these things require some amount of investment
ughlol: (assuming i coded the app on my own)
Azelphur: ughlol: that was to disprove the whole you can't start from $20 and skill argument.
ughlol: Yeah, 7000usd = 4,28,190INR. And thats more than 4months of my fathers salary.
Azelphur: note the CRT monitors with tube burnout, laptop with a piece of string supporting the screen, and TV with smashed in buttons.
ughlol: I agree. I'm currently working on the prototype.
Azelphur: ...ok then
Azelphur: so don't start crap about you need capital, you're in the wrong place for that ;)