asciilifeform: my apologies if i'm the only one who finds this interesting.
mircea_popescu: may be just "what is done" according to the chinese corp in question
asciilifeform: (gizmo has 'flash' on board also, being a cheap linux pc really, but it is not the only chip marked.)
asciilifeform: this tells us that nato folks probably buy these.
asciilifeform: which shows which locations on the mainboard are RAMs and therefore should be used for target practice
asciilifeform: funnily, the instrument (a 'rigol ds1102d') has a 'declassification guide' chapter in manual
asciilifeform: (yes, i know, they're almost certainly in the $10K american gizmo that my unit is a chinese copy of.)
mircea_popescu: i imagine they would be.
mircea_popescu: steven-__ that's like rather old #suckstobeleah posturing neh ?
ozbot: The Burrito Bracket
steven-__: he used to post on 2+2 and had a blog raitng the best burritos in his city
ThickAsThieves: "We may have gone from conceiving of government as an entity that builds roads, dams and airports, provides shared services like schooling, policing and national parks, and wages wars, into the world’s largest insurance broker."
mircea_popescu: if nate silver, whoever he is, gets some sctatch together
mircea_popescu: benkay kinda the idea all along
benkay: alert readers these are not, tho.
benkay: from the local bitcoin room: "omg i broke my doge-wallet"
benkay: okay i have found a use for the alts
ThickAsThieves: The document is currently accessible using Google Docs at this link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1khGADbJeu0efCNZ13lnz8BucG7PfS5Cl9lBZ1sncY-4/
ThickAsThieves: The latest version ofthe LMB Holdings (Neo & Bee, Easycoin, Neo Xchange) prospectus has been posted at https://www.lmb-holdings.com
mircea_popescu: "women in tech", but only for just as long as a) they're stupid and b) they don't ever do anything let alone make calls.
mircea_popescu: probably they're mostly incensed because she knows too many words.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you recall, i found you in the first place because of a letter from mpoepr. she was never anything other than impeccably polite to me.
mircea_popescu: i was thinking more along the lines of, hey dear pentagon, if you're looking to start a research project into how to give people physical pain over the wire... i got the only documented case of this happening working for me.
asciilifeform: there seems to be a 'garlic/vampire' dynamic with mpoepr.
asciilifeform: living on borrowed money, then, nm
asciilifeform: afaik, these folks aren't in it for the money - if the 'doxxing' is to be believed, leah for instance is loaded
mircea_popescu: i wish some of those "business leaders" or w/e they are actually came forward to plainly state that they don't care, they'll never care, and the peons can get back to the mine.
mircea_popescu: they're not as much professionally sad as professionally useless
mircea_popescu: an entire generation of these, ballas spent some time discussing the zuckerberg woman
mircea_popescu: notice how nowhere is it mentioned what the fuck the woman actually did at any point.
mircea_popescu: just... the social media generation.
asciilifeform: aha, the 'Professionally Sad'
mircea_popescu: and to be told that she's important, and valuable, and remarkable and all the rest of the shit women her age want
asciilifeform: yeah i read this even, but i still don't 'get' it. what does the woman want?
asciilifeform: i read the first turd, and my puny brain was utterly unable to determine wtf the deal was.
mircea_popescu: "A software engineer named Julie Ann Horvath sent shock waves across Silicon Valley over the weekend" = "nobody gave a shit, so we'll just keep yakking about it"
asciilifeform: http://www.wired.com/business/2014/03/culture-offsets << the loltron continues to chug
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: No I'm trying to find the link now, it's a really weird little paper that nobody I mention it to has heard of.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic the tor stuff ?
midnightmagic: There is a really neat paper that asserts that if you know "enough" about the edges of a connected graph network and measure the messages, you can map most messages sources.
asciilifeform: as i gather, you'd want to covertly connect two nodes (in 'distant') parts of graph with leased line
mircea_popescu: the theoretical possibility still exists, in a variety of very difficult to model variants
mircea_popescu: i've never seen proof of one happening either.
midnightmagic: bitcoinyeezus: I have heard of them. I have never personally witnessed one happening.
lopp: that's the direction I seem to be headed :-)
lopp: gotcha - I keep hearing that it's trivial but I guess I'd prefer to see actual numbers regarding, say, how many SPV client requests the average node is handling / how many historical block and tx lookups it's handling, how many invalid txs it's deciding not to relay, etc
bitcoinyeezus: we must all be talking past one another today.
mircea_popescu: yeah the load isn't really significant
midnightmagic: there is virtually no load. i run an experimental node that deals with a few dozen transactions a day on an eeepc 701 just for fun.
lopp: that is, how much more volume of requests could the average node be handling before it is straining its computational / bandwidth resources
bitcoinyeezus: mircea_popescu only knows that by volume owned statistic because he's actually the owner of the 'satoshi hoard'.
lopp: as yeezus noted, we don't really know enough to say whether or not these numbers should be underwhelming. I'm of the opinion that we don't have enough insight into the load that the nodes are bearing.
bitcoinyeezus: (just 'cause it has Satoshi in the client string doesn't mean shit about the authors)
artifexd: loop: At the bottom of that page " Bitnodes uses Bitcoin protocol version 70001 (i.e. >= /Satoshi:0.7.x/), so nodes with older protocol version will be skipped."
mircea_popescu: lopp well "nobody" more in the sense of bitcoin owned
midnightmagic: apparently two days to wait to renounce US citizenship was too much for him, cause "they're after me." wtf.
midnightmagic twitches uncontrollably at mention of "bitcoin jesus" down in the Caribbean complaining about how slow it is to open a bank account as a recent import from the US
bitcoinyeezus: well then who can know what the whelmingness of that thinger implies abouty reality anyways?
mircea_popescu: i guess in the end people do suck.
benkay: everyone calling themselves a core dev has hacked on the cpp hairball that turned into 0.7 and then 0.8
hdbuck: what's with MP's statement on twitter saying there is no such thing as Bitcoin core devs?! *mind blown 2*
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
bitcoinpete: benkay: I coulda sworn I went through that rigamarole once before… hopefully this is the last public flailing
gribble: You are now authenticated for user bitcoinpete with key 165749929F9A6BDD
mircea_popescu: heh i guess they covered it by calling it "digital currency"
mircea_popescu: wasn't ethereum more like a new ripple than a new bitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: aokthen
Apocalyptic: don't you know he's busy with ethereum
ThickAsThieves: the text was via vitalik
mircea_popescu: there, that should put it in perspective.
ThickAsThieves: other than me
ThickAsThieves: there's really only one guess
mircea_popescu: services to describe at least superficially describe their security policy
mircea_popescu: "both of these figures are reasonable estimates"
asciilifeform: just asking the question is an abuse of statistics
ThickAsThieves: on the probabilities of a bitcoin wallet being hacked, can any of you review this short text to tell me if it is generally acceptable? http://dpaste.com/1739894/
artifexd: At least in the reference client.
artifexd: It is named in a comment. Variables don't contain the name.
ThickAsThieves: but the protocol does call it a satoshi?
artifexd: If you're asking about the code, then the code keeps track of amounts in satoshi. API's accept amounts in satoshi.
mircea_popescu: it should be pretty obvious what the unit of account is.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the satoshi is quite clearly the only unit of account, a "bitcoin" is just a courtesy style.
artifexd: There is reference to "satoshi" as the base element in the reference client code. All the code uses satoshi as the amount of accounting.
ThickAsThieves: what is the correct answer?
ThickAsThieves: merely if someone asks What is the unit of account in Bitcoin?
ThickAsThieves: my question wasnt whether it matters
ThickAsThieves: wow, i didnt know that the owners of about 130,000 properties are without their title deeds in Cyprus
BingoBoingo: Oh, half an hour ago there were still a 300k or so left.
LordPutin: but we won crimea fair and square, they even voted to join us
mircea_popescu: didn't they call a general mobilisation nobody showed ?
mircea_popescu: seems to have started jan 2013, then taken a 11 month break to december
mircea_popescu: "The controversial owner of MPEx is" o look, i r controversial nao.
mircea_popescu: they rationalize away "oh but bitcoin will never be smarter than us". sure it won't. then mp comes, and you're beyond fucked.
benkay: look, end-users are responsible for their own security. it's not fucking secure.
chetty: show me the money / err alarm
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Apocalyptic: "The recent collapse of bitcoin exchange Mr. Gox has caused alarm in the industry about the stability and security of the virtual currency" // they must include that everywhere...
hdbuck: asciilifeform: nothing, just that he confirmed to me that banks have already started to deal with btc behind the curtain
asciilifeform: for some reason i thought that the slow cooling of the 5k background hum was already 'smoking gun.'
asciilifeform: even though he will not turn the cranks by hand.
asciilifeform: the result was, apparently, in the words of those living then, 'production of scrap metal at very high speeds.'
asciilifeform: historical note. when CNC machining was new, various business folks had delusions that they could be rid of the need to hire machinists.
asciilifeform: very few of the grads know anything but the most surface treatment of why the sim works the way it does
blackwhite: Even circuit boards are designed by "other circuit boards"
asciilifeform: people far from engineering would be astounded at how much of every widget is already designed 'automatically,' for any reasonable sense of the word.
blackwhite: welding robots do not have to design their own cars for cars to be designed automatically
bitcoinpete: "In manufacturing, technology eliminates and relocates jobs, but welding robots will never design their own cars. It ain’t gonna happen. In finance, jobs on Wall Street and in The City will be eaten up by Bitcoin, but the invention of the distributed blockchain can’t replace creativity and trust. Kurzweil’s singularity be damned."
asciilifeform: grunts who are actually sent out in the field are usually more muscular-looking.
asciilifeform: they're probably 'desk flyers', though
asciilifeform: they look like ordinary 'office plankton'
mircea_popescu: this is what the us army has come to be, btw : those blondish dudes in a buzz cut with glasses.
wao-ender: Studies suggest that higher doses of xanthones may depress the central nervous system in animals and cause sedation.
mircea_popescu: is this a lowtax plot to troll the world ?
asciilifeform: any cargo is hazardous if the fellow with the remote control (usg) would rather that it not reach destination.
ozbot: No hazardous cargo, just tonnes of mangosteens on flight MH370, says airline CEO - The Malaysian In
wao-ender: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/no-hazardous-cargo-just-tonnes-of-mangosteens-on-flight-mh370-says-airlines
wao-ender: > which, to me, suggests there was something either hidden in the mangosteens or the manifest is fraudulent
wao-ender: > i don't see how they can make that up from shipping 3-4 tons of mangosteens
Mats_cd03: we'll find out six years from now that they've been dead all along and were never actually on the island
mircea_popescu: yeah, wouldn't make much sense to limit themselves to that.
mircea_popescu: yeah but all of them ?
chetty: I wonder have radar setups gotten lazy? that is only bothering to look for transponders?
wao-ender: dunno how they made it, but this conspiracy with sia68 is really interesting
mircea_popescu: basically if you try to fly a boeing behind another you'll just fall
mircea_popescu: in order for it to generate enough force to keep all those tons in the air it has to have a certain density and flow pattern
mircea_popescu: anyway, getting back to the airflow problem : in racing the road keeps the cars up, but in flight planes are kept up by their drag
mircea_popescu: so how do you figure two 80 meter long objects a mile apart could appear the same one object
mircea_popescu: there are occasionally accidents where a car follows a leader too close and ends up losing contact with the ground because of the disrupton in airflow
mircea_popescu: in racing however the road is there to keep the cars up, and turbulence only causes a problem at high speeds, because the cars are designed so that the air pushes them on the ground.
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, he could stay at a reasonable safe distance while still being close enough to show as 1 spot on the radars imo
mircea_popescu: if you watch racing, it's like the slickstream
cazalla: i breed NZ whites for meat, some of them would do the exact same thing or even bite if i harassed them as in that video
cazalla: patting a rabbit with an open palm (as in the video) blocks it's vision which can make it become defensive
hdbuck: im new too, delighted to finally make it to the high sphere, have read the logs about what happened on the 4th of feb.. still trying to figure it all out. cheers. :)
isthisreallyreal: and btw, have you heard of thecoinbay?
kakobrekla: yes the implementation is poor
isthisreallyreal: I can only find places to BUY bitcoins, not buy WITH them..
kakobrekla: or you can chop them up and make a nice wooden table
mircea_popescu: isthisreallyreal just read the logs.
kakobrekla: well start reading then
kakobrekla: you type stuff in and other people can see
Curious_George: hey there
mircea_popescu: why not work with them
bounce: oh, nice to wake up to a spurious paste. another reason to hate trackpads.
joecool: <Diablo-D3> people read /.? < the english language is tricky on this point, it is true that people have read /. however I do not think people still read /.
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: It's the fancy spelling
artifexd: "All email received unencrypted is automatically deleted unread." <- Should there be a comma between "deleted" and "unread"?
BingoBoingo: Let's get news of the berkshire bet on /.
diametric: asciilifeform: so that pod i got off ebay works on the logic analyzer
mircea_popescu: the problem with making women go barefoot in town
mircea_popescu: i wonder if the d ever gives out furry prons
diametric: i spread myself too thin honestly, i have a wide range of interests but never enough time to fully explore them.
Mats_cd03: diametric then you will always be vulnerable to those willing to xommit violence
mircea_popescu: ("i'm not really a waitress, i'm just on my way to the newsweek stint")
asciilifeform: never knew a pro clown either, perhaps to my detriment
mircea_popescu: for whatever reason the thing stuck, because most of these kids are unemployable save for some fantasy enacting
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah it's a lot more diffuse than that. i suspect many of them actually worked in a job that required them to dress as an animal. they do that for parties/disne\yland etc.
asciilifeform: just the theory, there might be folks who haven't the courage, but different matter when in the wolf suit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it may even be a chicken and egg thing. maybe the pedestrian anonimity thing comes from the suits.
mircea_popescu: so they inflict harm, what of it.
diametric: I do dismiss people that inflict harm on others, despite whatever else they might have to offer
diametric: a consideration for what? I mean, sure its something I might factor in if its relevant to the situation, but I wouldn't dismiss someone simple because of that.
asciilifeform: i sorta wonder if the animal costumes are an anonymity thing
mircea_popescu: what they consider beautiful would seem a major consideration
mircea_popescu: but i mean how do you judge another ?
diametric: to what end though, i don't really care if people dress up like animals and fuck each other if they want too. I think its weird, but I would not consider myself a better person than they on that alone.
mircea_popescu: diametric what's harm to do with anything ? i'd rather take a smoker than someone who watches tv.
diametric: i tend not to judge others on harmless stuff, though that shit must be uncomfortable as fuck to wear.
benkay: the furies?
mircea_popescu: then conde nast bought it and it became sorta-popular with the majored-in-business crowd i guess
diametric: honestly its just a degradation of the signal to noise ratio that happens in any online community that gains popularity with the masses.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, there's people out there claiming that obama is smart and putin good looking
diametric: i like it, all the anti-mp people were out in full force on reddit
diametric: mircea_popescu: quite the commotion you you started with that bet
benkay: anyways, love these guys. smart fuckers. tough sell on the job is going to be lisp and not haskell for the backend.
mircea_popescu: i don't know how hard im trolling either, tbh, but i figure it should be somewhere between my penis and a brick wall.
benkay: wouldn't be surprised if that call was something along the lines of "are these both thingers in memory? great! return true."
benkay: (NO SERIOUSLY ARE THESE STRINGS EQUAL)
benkay: client has app and backend they brought my firm on to shephard into app store and reverse-engineer an SDK out of.
mircea_popescu: sorta like the people involved, 22 -> 25 ->
mircea_popescu: seems there's a progression at work, php -> ruby ->
mircea_popescu: ya well, i don't personally trust them so i have no use for them on these lines, but in principle what can you do.
benkay: that is *definitely* anathema.
benkay: maybe trusting others with ones coins.
benkay: maybe allowing ones funds to be so commingled is anathema.
mircea_popescu: i don't see that it's such anathema.
benkay: they're in a tough spot. they're guaranteeing cold storage for customer funds, but also that they can send funds on demand. this requires they commingle, which is anathema.
mircea_popescu: if they have 1k customers that make 1k transactions each that's 1mn addresses they have to keep track of
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this is practical for them.
Duffer1: hirethestache money sent to any of those addresses in that list will probably be credited to your CB account, but i'm not 100% on that, by trying to dumb it down for the average person they make it way more complicated...
Duffer1: Hirethestache it appears coinbase keeps track of all addresses generated by your transactions (they appear to use a new address for every deposit/withdrawl) you can view them under Account Settings - Bitcoin Addresses
mircea_popescu: "Being quiet and studious is broadly unknown in a western culture that prizes views, likes and the inane extraversion required to generate them." no see, that's attacking people's self esteem.
benkay: bitcoinpete.com/2014/irc-yeshiva/ Hirethestache
benkay: this is BTC school Hirethestache
mircea_popescu: i have no idea i never used the thing
benkay: mircea_popescu Hirethestache doesn't CB allocate users a specific receipt address?
Hirethestache: Yeah, you guys are schooling me on my knowledge, or lack thereof, of proper BTC safety
benkay: Hirethestache: if your bet closes in 7 days just use the CB address. they won't likely go out of business with so little fanfare.
benkay: one never knows when bitcoins are going to shower from the heavens
mircea_popescu: even if you can't spend out of them
mircea_popescu: so for all the kids keeping score at home : always carry some safe addresses when travelling.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you're travelling with no safe addresses and no way to make them you're sol.
Hirethestache: It's not the warren buffet bet
mircea_popescu: Hirethestache wait, you think the berkshire bet ends in a week or is this some other bet you're talking asbout
benkay: Hirethestache: 2015?
Hirethestache: ^^hence the reason I'm so adamant about betting ASAP hah
mircea_popescu: it's all explained in the faw.
benkay: ah, what's the rush.
benkay: Hirethestache: for how long are you traveling?