asciilifeform: i, for one, would like to read the result.
asciilifeform: it is not easy to describe, accurately and completely, the nato block's policy of nation-wrecking using something other than 'russian' terms. but you're welcome to try.
asciilifeform: orlov's position, as far as i can tell, is that u.s. inherited the crown of idiocy worn by the old ussr
mircea_popescu: well that's it, by then syria's done.
bloctoc: for the logs, I will be changing my handle to tacostorm soon
mircea_popescu: there's approximately 0% chances of sevastopol falling this year.
mircea_popescu: but listen, had orlov called them "privileged male chauvinist pigs" i'd have went "whoa, when did this guy join the blue side"
asciilifeform: likewise, americans ought to - and will - dance in the streets if the port at sevastopol is conquered and the russian fleet can no longer interfere with the u.s. syrian demolition derby
asciilifeform: from the standpoint of russia, not so beautiful
asciilifeform: from the standpoint of americans, it is a beautiful thing if poland, ua, baltics, etc. are stuffed with as many missile bases as physically fit, aimed at moscow
asciilifeform: people who apply 'human morality' to the logic of empire are weird.
mircea_popescu: o yes, because beyond the pale huh
asciilifeform: who did the jerries plug at babi yar? martians?
mircea_popescu: shithole didn't even have jews in the first place.
mircea_popescu: "Unlike competing Polish, Russian, Hungarian or Romanian nationalisms in late imperial Austria, imperial Russia, interwar Poland and Romania, Ukrainian nationalism did not include antisemitism as a core aspect of its program and saw Russians as well as Poles as the chief enemy with Jews playing a secondary role." lmao.
mircea_popescu: ah, cause the "great patriotic war" stuff ?
mircea_popescu: and inasmuch as this is the case, which exact label one picks serves as a group identification. if you use the russian propaganda terminology you basically are throwing up a flag and little more.
asciilifeform: nah, marching around in ss garb makes them. you gotta appreciate how this makes them an almost physiological allergen to anyone who grew up even vaguely russian.
mircea_popescu: im merely saying that the neonazi label is about as approximative as calling them "knights of the cuisinart", or freemasons.
mircea_popescu: i mean understand me, i am not proposing that either side or party or w/e active entity there is either respectable or in the right.
asciilifeform: mostly to saw into scrap and sell to the nato block
mircea_popescu: so that makes them neo nazis ?!
asciilifeform: they'd like to dominate the historically rus. west, and own the soviet-built factories which they had no part in creating
asciilifeform: what they want isn't to be merely left alone to run their historical (province of poland, really) agrarian pesthole
mircea_popescu: "death to the jews" is, at least in europe, about as common as "open your legs, i'm not gonna do anything"
mircea_popescu: and anyway! death to the jews ?
asciilifeform: you're quite right that the actual, historic nazis are gone.
mircea_popescu: right. the equivalent of romania's iron guard's codreanu idjit.
asciilifeform: (not a russian fiction, but straight from the horse's mouth)
asciilifeform: this fellow is their ultimate hero.
mircea_popescu: o wait, this is the glatz.
gribble: Stepan Bandera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera>; Ukraine's Neo-Nazis. Stepan Bandera and the Legacy of World War ...: <http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraines-neo-nazis-stepan-bandera-and-the-legacy-of-world-war-ii/5373773?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ukraines-neo-nazis-stepan-bandera-and-the-legacy-of-world-war-ii>; (1 more message)
gribble: 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Ukrainian) - Wikipedia ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Ukrainian)>; 'Galicia' Division - Justice for Germans: <http://justice4germans.com/2013/08/23/ukrainians-honour-the-service-and-sacrifices-of-the-waffen-ss-galicia-division/>; What's On Kiev | News | The Infamous Ukrainian Waffen SS (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: no, you fucking can't, the french would have never taken any brits, ever, no matter what.
asciilifeform: but, what would be needed for it to qualify as a proper nazi party? merely the brand and logo?
asciilifeform: read their own turds, where the wankers proclaim 'i wanna finish what grandpa started'
asciilifeform: correct. except, with some non-negligible historical continuity with the actual nazis, which the american version lacks
asciilifeform: if a zoologist were to speak of a lion, he wouldn't merely say 'panthera'
mircea_popescu: as far as i recall the nazis raped ukraine pretty good, the notion someone there actually is much of a nazi is ridicxulous on its face to begin with.
bloctoc: actually, I had already clicked, but I don't understand the contract. I was trying to blame my inadequacy completely fabricated internet security problems.
asciilifeform: check out their own sites
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "in refusing to acquiesce to the installation of a neo-fascist regime in Kiev"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: terminology of the russian propaganda << more specifically ?
benkay: not quite the leverage of options, you know?
mircea_popescu: if you comprehend go the best solution i'd say is the package maintained by conformal
mircea_popescu: trivial to get the data for it, just run a node.
benkay: bloctoc, the challenge is in the proving these things to the bitbet mods, and coming up with criteria that satisfy their standards.
bloctoc: futures, still right? I was trying to think of a way to play the 30/1000 odds on this bet, but then got distracted.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so how is it that herr orloff is using the terminology of the russian propaganda, you figure ?
Mats_cd03: That would be ideal, although he could hedge some other way with fiat, too
bloctoc: Mats_cd03 thanks. So, Warren would buy some bitcoins, take the bet, and buy puts?
Mats_cd03: Borrow? Uhh...no. He would hedge his position, and mpoe is the place for it, incidentally.
bloctoc: benkay that's genius. the phrase "liquidity event resulting customer loss of funds" might work
ninjashogun: so, the doge financier person's loan fell through. what a waste of several weeks of exchanges with him.
bloctoc: Warren Buffet doesn't want to end up with 1,000 sub $650 Bitcoins. Is there a place to borrow 1000 BTC? Assuming his WOT is legit?
benkay: or whatever the equivalent term for a bitcoin wallet operator is?
benkay: "dear pm. please see the detailed instructions i sent you yesterday. yours, etc"
benkay: today a project manager spinning up a new frontend contractor asked "hey how do we import this vm into vagrant without smashing the frontend dev's existing precise64 image?"
bitcoinpete: i'm off for a bit of sport, then book clubbin' (antifragile, somehow people haven't read it) cheers
benkay: i don't play twitter myself, but it's neat to see links up there.
bitcoinpete: benkay: ya, they definitely made a fuss and not much else. glyph's whole implementation lacks appeal. "Drop me a line at horse-moon-cloverleaf" doesn't reach catch people
benkay: glyph is classic fartup circus nonsense. apple's taken a firm stance on bitcoin+iOS, and Glyph doesn't have the horsepower to fight them. note: social media noise != canonry.
benkay: i demonstrated this to the team accidentally a few months back, when logging into the web console to see messages we sent each other from our phones.
benkay: bitcoinpete: finally, glyph is a scam. they store your messages in plaintext on their servers.
benkay: bitcoinpte: i'm lo these many years out of the synagogue, so thanks for the correction. i'll ship it with some other updates.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitcoinpte: ;;later tell BingoBoingo looks like you forgot to add "http://" to the URL linking my SEC post from yours :)
benkay: bitcoinpte: that would be the dick joke i mentioned last night, yes.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitcoinpte: ;;later tell benkay haha I just noticed your excellent use of "Bin Popescu"! You also made me realize that it should've been "ben" (also note the lowercase "b", eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_ben_Johanan). Also, I'm really hoping that MP being "the hardest target in Bitcoin" is the sexual euphemism I think it is. Lastly, given your iOS cryptoproject, what are your thoughts on Glyph?
novusordo: me either, assbot
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
jurov: thestringpuller: pm
ThickAsThieves: therealaltcoin.org
kakobrekla: therealbitcoin.com
thestringpuller: what's the altcoin site again?
benkay: and then bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: second, i dont have the means
ThickAsThieves: <thestringpuller> ThickAsThieves: can't you just make your own altbet.us // No, first i wouldnt wanna rip off kako
ThickAsThieves: sucking dick makes the world go round
benkay: if you're going the brokered transaction route
gribble: A Reminder – The Most Important Word in Bitcoin, Again because Gox: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/02/25/a-reminder-the-most-important-word-in-bitcoin-again-because-gox/>; Why Fractional Reserve Can't Work in Bitcoin | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/11/11/fractional-reserve-bitcoins/>; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: (1 more message)
LordPutin: and another one coming up this sat
LordPutin: why not ask in the #rentalstarter room
MisterE: check the volumes
benkay: no no BingoBoingo they'll comply within 2 weeks, you see
LordPutin: anyone have a squawker box link they listen to for real world financial markets?
benkay: you're even in the web!
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user bitmia: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=bitmia | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitmia | Rated since: never
benkay: how many on the welfare roles own a single troy oz?
benkay: yeah but thestringpuller don't you understand bitmia_'s customers can barely swing a bitcent ;)
thestringpuller: just download the block chain
bitmia_: hm, what about a browser extension to include the wot (proxied over to gribble) and the escrow thing?
benkay: so bitmia go learn about simple payment verification and why people don't actually need the whole blockchain on disk.
benkay: are there any viable spv wallets kicking around?
benkay: electrum's still a thing, right thestringpuller?
benkay: well man if you really want to scrape the bottom of the barrel, ain't nobody going to stop you.
benkay: "but what about the coinbase and web wallet users?"
bitmia: it is still unclear why they failed tho
benkay: if i were building that thing (and i'm not, and we haven't even discussed the market use for such a thing in the wake of the other ebay clones that have failed), i'd make it a hard requirement for sellers to have WoT identities.
bitmia: benkay: I considered using an irc bot to create profiles for the ones that don't have them yet, but that would mean holding their privkeys for them. beats the purpose sortof
bitmia: benkay, and what are the hard necessary things in a marketplace?
benkay: inability or unwillingness to do the hard things necessary to raise personal value above a single dollar.
benkay: which is what will keep them forever worth pennies.
bitmia: that's the point, and paupers don't like 'em private keys
bitmia: benkay, I was doing a marketplace, remember? how the fuck am I supposed to have individual clients with a lifetime value of 500B?
benkay: dunno, haven't seen any that satisfy the criteria yet.
benkay: is there room in a given business model for serving both?
chetty: there is room in this world for both kinds
benkay: would we rather a billion pennies from a billion paupers, or individual clients with lifetime value to the firm in excess of 500B each?
chetty: nope the two are not really related, its all perception
benkay: so the point of the gpg claim is that if you can't read the gnu privacy guard manual, you're worthless
HeySteve2: only, here is another thing that is rare in a woman
only: rare enough to make me ask the question
artifexd: I was just contrasting the general "You suck" attitude of here bitcointalk posts with the general "You can do it" attitude of her blog posts. In particular, this post: http://thewhet.net/2012/this-is-it/
nubbins`: especially given that the answer to all three questions is "who cares"
nubbins`: the whole "is pr fake? a woman? mp?" thing is pretty entertaining
BingoBoingo: only: There are pics on trilema
nubbins`: easiest thing in the world
ozbot: The Whet | a place for appetites
artifexd: http://thewhet.net/ is MPOE-PR?
only: chetty warnings, sanctions. we have this saying in ukraine "the dog barks, the caravan moves on"
nubbins`: onward through the fog...
nubbins`: blackwhite_: if i've frustrated you enough to make you waste your own time rather than someone else's when you next have a question, i've done my job
artifexd: There is a whole section on "Before you ask" though...
blackwhite_: nubbins` i got my answers. See not everyone feels like they need to make a statement every time. Someone you know just like to help and make no fuzz about it.
nubbins`: i could just google "bulk deli meat <my area>" but figured i'd spend 10 minutes wasting the time of a bunch of strangers instead
punkman: blackwhite_, I have the thing you want, but like nubbins` is saying...
nubbins`: hence my comment about the sandwich shop
blackwhite_: but sure there are always people like you around to make sure no one does things the way you don't want them to be done
nubbins`: hurts, but it's just the way it is
nubbins`: ...then you're not ready to run a business of any sort
nubbins`: if your first instinct is to pop on irc and ask someone rather than do a simple google search which would have already given you answers...
nubbins`: the first thing you should do is figure out where to get your data from
blackwhite_: you think just because I don't get an answer here I won't have any other options
nubbins`: the problem is, you're getting ahead of yourself
blackwhite_: so whats the problem?
blackwhite_: i am asking in this channel because there are a lot of knowledgeable people here
nubbins`: then you're doomed
nubbins`: "hey guys i'd like to open a sandwich shop, is there any place i can buy deli meats in bulk?"
blackwhite_: by among other things asking in this channel :)
blackwhite_: and the price for the platform is 380USD so not really sure I will be wasting money even if it goes titis up :)
Mats_cd03: or hire a few programmers that know their shit and build your own brand, what do you need a trading website for?
blackwhite_: ok guys I have a question. I am considering buying a trading website and turning it into a site based on bitcoin data instead. Is there any good sources for realtime bitcoin data?
benkay: bitmia: if you're trying to make a crypto-related thing less of a hassle, you're undermining the point of crypto-things.
BingoBoingo: If there was a conjunction is this language that functioned as a one way or such that [(A&B) or B] I would have use it instead
BingoBoingo: bitmia: But, it handles authentication much better.
BingoBoingo: bitmia: Why not have people authenticate by decrypting or signing a challenge, like gribble does?
BingoBoingo: bitmia: Well, I was more going for it is problematic to have multisig where all of the keys live on the same server.
bitmia: I see where you're going with this, it's simply a pain in the ass to do multisig
BingoBoingo: bitmia: Which way do you usually authenticate?
BingoBoingo: bitmia: Have you ever authenticated with Gribble before?
bitmia: BingoBoingo: encrypt buyer's privkey on the server using his password, automatically sign the transaction with the seller's key, show the buyer a flashy "finalize" button?
BingoBoingo: bitmia: Well, what ways are there to do what multisig does which would be both A) less of a hassle and B) accomplish your goal more effectively
BingoBoingo: bitmia: Well, what would you want the multisig to do that couldn't otherwise be accomplished?
BingoBoingo: bitmia: Well, either you can be trusted to run a marketplace or you can't. Maybe some people trust you and some don't.
LordPutin: i'm so scared, i failed her as a father
BingoBoingo: Nothing can promise positive returns on the timeline of soon. Not even things which might probably realize a positive return on the timeline of, quite a ways in the future.
bitmia: so ugh, I've been skimming the logs for quite a while. there's no point in doing a multisig Bitcoin marketplace, is there?
BingoBoingo: And there's definitely room for saying the same things in another tone and with different words. Even if nearly the same essential thing is said.
ThickAsThieves: then i look forward to it!
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: There's always at least a third angle
BingoBoingo: Imma still working on the MP emails post.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: You'd think that without a delimiter, some Portugese cities might be on the list...
ozbot: Top 101 cities with the most residents born in Portugal (population 500+)
BingoBoingo: Oh, a Jewish New York retiree then?
ThickAsThieves: the notion that i'm actually from here
LordPutin: i'm 1/3 gay, chinese and muslim, i win in the future
ThickAsThieves: that's the biggest reason i hate living in florida
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: How do they know that? Maybe they will find it an exotic creation of the mythical "Florida Man"
ThickAsThieves: maybe I can rally the Portuguese instead?
ThickAsThieves: BingoBoingo, I have a feeling that nationality of the creator plays a part in their interest in LTC
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Convert them to ATC.
ThickAsThieves: apparently the Chinese love it
LordPutin: i tried calling them but some guy called Dave from fbi picked up
BingoBoingo: Why did Dr. Banner become the Hulk, yet Dr. Slotin the closest thing the Hulk has to an opposite?
ThickAsThieves: call them and ask
ThickAsThieves: they have a phone number
ThickAsThieves: The Panama Fund
ThickAsThieves: mostly related to representing them via a passthrough
ThickAsThieves: how long will Friedcat persist? how much of an advantage does he really have? will he achieve dominance in the market?
dexX7: yep, the ownership was changed
ThickAsThieves: I suspect AM's gen3 chips will hit the scene in a week or 3
ThickAsThieves: that thered be one less than 10
ThickAsThieves: itll be more like 17-22% by the time it changes
LordPutin: they have a good quality
LordPutin: i hope they get bent over
Duffer1: there are people working on it, but no arrests made afaik
dexX7: you're from the us, right?
Duffer1: they haven't LP
Duffer1: i know several labcoin victims are also actm bagholders, i hope for their sake i'm wrong
dexX7: i didn't know that. did avalon already publish the spec?
dexX7: jurov: i don't think so, but i'm surprised, too. http://www.coindesk.com/bitstamp-got-10m-fortress-linked-hedge-fund-last-year-bloomberg/ this is a more detailed article, but still doesn't mention ripple's role. guess they also received a slice of the cake.
jurov: so it's the same company as made XRP?
mircea_popescu: that and of course, http://trilema.com/2014/the-letter-third/ too.
cazalla: stumping up 8k for the design might be a cover for that
mircea_popescu: read through the lines here.
benkay: his name's on the investors list is it not?
mircea_popescu: and that second part is really the big part.
mircea_popescu: i will have then owned a sheep worth 10 dollars + 10 mnore dolars in unrealised gains.
mircea_popescu: if i own a sheep worth 10 dollars today, and the fed prints another 20 trillion dollars
mircea_popescu: "thereby halving the value of cash savings, and piling a ton of taxeable "capital gains" on your non cash savings"
mircea_popescu: that's only half the story.
mircea_popescu: For one, nobody knows how many dollars exist in the world, and furthermore one can never trust the government to not simply double the number of dollars in circulation, thereby halving the value of your savings (provided you were stupid enough to actually keep them in cash).
benkay: baaaasically zero compared to the btc rate
mircea_popescu: they're borrowing at 0.25
mircea_popescu: they're not borrowing at 0
benkay: trying to figure out the knobs on the "how to get coffee made for me and a whole bunch of other shit done too for not a terrific amount of money"
benkay: the ones whose labor wasn't, weren't. granted those are "controllers" and what have you, not "office managers" or "directors of employee happiness".
benkay: i always figured the ops people were interchangeable by virtue of their labor being by and large totally fungible
benkay: but yeah panopticon is the thing lurking in that post
benkay: can't say as much stuck, and i missed out on the apparently crucial canings...
chetty: its where we live, the perfect prison
mircea_popescu: also, you ever heard the word panopticon before ?
benkay: the design stuff?
benkay: i'm thinking more along the lines of 2fa implementations
mircea_popescu: take the pando chick (who apparently is actually the tard that did that horror interview with zuckerberg) :
gribble: The operation succeeded.