chetty: yeah the reference to chinese workers needs better explain, could be misunderstood
benkay: these gentlemen at conformal seem to know what they're doing and going about it in all the right ways.
benkay: well there's a strategic option that while less tasteful may satisfy
joecool: hm they removed it
anirgu: i wanted to drive home that the USA should not be reuglating nayone
mircea_popescu: anirgu : that it appears you're proposing the usg regulate the life of chinese workers.
mircea_popescu: because there is.
Izzy_: why does there seem to be a divide w/ xrp and bitcoin
mircea_popescu: you two seem made for each other.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: mircea_popescu: by the by, this backus-naur btc network parser is way over my head :(
Izzy_: is there a step by step sight for future bitcoinistas?
mircea_popescu: this is quite factual. correspondingly, one of the worst traits of human nature is the delusion by which almost every young man imagines the adults wish him ill.
mircea_popescu: "One of the fine traits in human nature is the desire which almost every decent man has to help young men do well."
Izzy_: how do i get the btc?
deerok: how do you find the log
mircea_popescu: you know, to sorely contrast with the bitcoin derpotroll
mircea_popescu: then you'll probably want to specify it better.
Mats_cd03: someone create a replacement for full-disclosure that solely utilizes the bitcoin protocol
mircea_popescu: he's simpleminded sociopath, i read in the washington pravda.
LordPutin: Ukyo why not say something in thebitcointalk thread just to know....letpeopleknow you still care, if its ok?
mircea_popescu: pretend to be the taxman, even robin hood did that one
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Mats_cd03: its not that cool, more like a tiny A/C unit inside the gas mask
Mats_cd03: they solved that problem in CBRNE suits already
benkay: i'll wait until the pixel density exceeds my ocular resolution, tyvm.
Mats_cd03: they shouldve just built a helmet out of it
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decimation: in the US hardly any real charity exists
mircea_popescu: perhaps, but argue it to the younguns, not to me.
mircea_popescu: so do you propose that they who have it are the best arbiters of how it should disposed of ?
mircea_popescu: no. if you mean whether they achieved it legally, im sure htey did. if you mean were they once young, i'm sure they were.
mircea_popescu: understand that the most economic way to run the economy - now as during 1614 - is to just turn off all machinery, lock all warehouses and bury the key
mircea_popescu: to reduce economic inefficiency, by taking from the hands of the savers and putting into the hands of the riskers.
mircea_popescu: anyway, "what'd you have me do ? see where young men are reduced by the accursed avarice of their fathers, and they then wonder that sons wish their death"
mircea_popescu: they must have l'avare translated in goetesprache by now
mircea_popescu: if anyone is so inclined, the immortal balzac has an excellent depiction of the pilfering problem, in his eugenie grandet
mircea_popescu: benkay they definitely have an editor in charge of being 1990s fucktarded
benkay: best part of the engaget 'story' is that the world 'currency' is linked and goes to another btc atm.
decimation: This goes to your point about those who flatter USG make out like bandits; while those trying to make money "from the sweat of their brow" end up funding the fortunes of the flatterers
mircea_popescu: the study of epsilon and of the means through which q = mq+e may be ensured is then the business of the economist.
mircea_popescu: if q < mq there is no commerce and industry.
mircea_popescu: at any time there will exist a quantity of theft, q. at any time there will also exist a minimal quantity of theft, mq, such that it is more productive for the young to work at commerce and industry to acquire wealth
mircea_popescu: whereas by workings of biology will (in all its forms) concentrates with the young.
mircea_popescu: society at all times opposes youthful monkeys with aged monkeys. these desire to control the female monkeys, and all the stuff related to this, from cars to stockings. including their means of production and so on, all the way to legislation (which monkey may shave her cunt and show up in garters ? mine or yours ? )
decimation: well, he should stop trying to make gay navies and start by re-writing the bitcoin client with a real spec
mircea_popescu: sorta same problem as the average gold bug, except his is more refined.
decimation: "Every nonneutral dilution can be defined as the combination of a neutral redenomination and a nonneutral redistribution. And this is why dilutionists are quacks. Dilutionists are quacks because it is impossible to imagine a way in which the systematic pilfering of wallets could somehow be essential to commerce and industry."
decimation: I was re-reading some other early Moldbug and found this one: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.ca/2007/11/who-heck-is-benn-steil.html
decimation: "Part of the trouble so far has been nailing down exactly what Bitcoin is. "
mircea_popescu: engadget figures the way to do reporting is putting 6 links in two paragraphs, all leading to engadget.com
mircea_popescu: there's a diff eeprom for the symetric key, these are physically separate for reasons etc
mircea_popescu: and other features generally make it improbable a key will be lost. but this level of specific detail is to be you know, put up once the product actually goes for order
mircea_popescu: anyway, decimation : there will be a single key storage eeprom, but the key itself is written quite redundantly on it,
Duffer1: imo asking questions is usually better than the alternative
decimation: ah, that answers my question, it seems that there will be a single key storage EEprom
asciilifeform: at present, it should be more than enough for any prospective buyer to decide whether the product fits his needs
mircea_popescu: probably that category holds 90%+ of the discussion.
asciilifeform: decimation: all of the materials presently available to public are on mp's site (with the exception of several photos that live on mine.)
decimation: is there a preliminary block diagram available?
mircea_popescu: dun hate the playa.
asciilifeform: i spent most of the past half day answering questions that ought to be RTFMs.
asciilifeform: in the event of damage, or jettison (using 'zap') one is to retrieve a secreted, more senior key (optionally kept on a cardano, or in some other fashion) and sign message to the effect of 'this newly baked cardano key is my new pubkey'
decimation: asciilifeform I had a question about Cardano. I assume that measures have been taken to prevent loss of the private key in the case of the failure of a flash chip or bits thereof?
decimation: reading most US newspapers would lead one to think that the US military just shows up somewhere without any baggage train
decimation: There are all kinds of logisitical arrangements with "allies" of various kinds which are never mentioned in the US media
mircea_popescu: foir the forensically curious
mircea_popescu: esp not with a rather hostile syria
mircea_popescu: (incidentally... without mihail kogalniceanu the afghanistan retreat isn't even all that possible)
decimation: early Moldbug is the best on this topic http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.ca/2007/08/secret-of-anti-americanism.html
mircea_popescu: yeah, definitely, the us is pressuring romania.
mircea_popescu: you mean the only country which has a military base which allows the us some sort of semblance of relevancy in the black sea ?
decimation: well, ultimately that's the outcome, right?
decimation: I don't think bitcoin rises high enough on the foreign policy hopper to pressure Romania
decimation: you didn't go to the hearing at 9am on Thursday? You could have had your say. That's democracy!
decimation: "agencies will have to have a public comment period before they grant themselves extraconstitutional authority over a matter"
mircea_popescu: "hello sir, we're mailmen. please step out of the car"
mircea_popescu: more likely future, people will start being arrested by the cable company over there.
decimation: perhaps you can steer one or two to the real lede here - the writ under which USG agencies operate, and the apparently unlimited self-extension of the same
mircea_popescu: it's really shocking to me that i have to explain the basics of law to people writing news o.O
mircea_popescu: LordPutin: what ilearned from thiswhole trendon shavers deposition is that youneed to have a good online username like "mymothersasshole" or something...."So you spoke with my mothers asshole on the 10th of Jan last year, is thatcorrect?" << lol
asciilifeform: sure - people do surrender occasionally. esp. if they aren't paid enough to give a damn.
mircea_popescu: perhaps not as often as is the case in romania, but definitely a lot more often than is the case in russia or w/e
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, such things happen. contrary to what the general public perceives of the government, it does tell itself to go pack sand all the time.
mircea_popescu: what time is it there now anyway
g_forcewinds: If I see any commissioners when Im up at 3am ill be sure to ask them ;-)
asciilifeform: ianal. but it would surprise me greatly if the matter is settled in such a way as for usg to tell itself to pound sand
g_forcewinds: I'd love to chat further but at the moment I must run. I'm at work and have stories to write. Hope to chat again soon.
mircea_popescu: well ok, but that'd have been a prime spot to crack the story you know ?
mircea_popescu: as far as i know this matter has been discussed in their comission already, and they're working towards a decision
g_forcewinds: that doesnt speed up their own determination though
mircea_popescu: g_forcewinds well, yes, but they do have the help of the fed and gao already making similar determinations.
asciilifeform: (all in federal law, on the books, plain as daylight)
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of difference between trading oranges and trading monopoly money.
asciilifeform: or the u.s. proclamation of extraterritorial jurisdiction of any submarine not carrying a flag
g_forcewinds: my impossible i meant that it takes a long time for the SEC to make a determination like whether they are going to regulate. I could be wrong, but I think a public comment period is required
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a major difference there too. the grain case (and the oranges cove case which is used to teach kids about the sec) all discuss actual items of value.
mircea_popescu: this is by far the best way
asciilifeform: anyone recall the u.s. supreme court case which proclaimed that barter in grain is taxable?
g_forcewinds: Thanks for clarifying your perspective Mircea. I'll be sure to reach out if I you end up in a story again. What's the best way to get in touch? FYI I work at night
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mircea_popescu: that "and" doesn't work. i didn't question anything, i asked them the traditional quo warranto.
g_forcewinds: but you did question their authority to ask for those documents etc and asked them to show what legal basis they h ad for doing so, yes?
mircea_popescu: either way, i'm not denying or arguing or anything else. someone calls you on the phone, you ask "who is this"
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't presume to tell them how to be authoritative, i imagine they have lawyers that can sort it out.
mircea_popescu: i indicated to them that they have to make this choice, and how to go about being friends.
mircea_popescu: the sec couldn't decide if it wants to be friends or it wants to be an authority.
g_forcewinds: so how you would characterize your email exchange with the SEC?
mircea_popescu: it works the other way around : i don't argue the negative, they make the statements that establish the positive.
mircea_popescu: that's not how laws work. i don't declare that i broke no laws, and i don't contest the authority of some random person making demands.
ninjashogun: g_forcewinds, not really. Like if you say, "Hi, could you tell me what I'm being arrested for" it's not the same as saying "I'm disputing this arrets, you're detaining me unlawfully!"
mircea_popescu: well actually, it's a fundamental issue of law which somehow seems lost on the journalistic profession
mircea_popescu: there's an important difference here, i am in no position to dispute anything yet.
mircea_popescu: so one thing is that i didn't dispute the legality of the sec's request, i asked them to establish it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, what do you think the end-game will be?
mircea_popescu: since i missed the chance back when slashdot linked it
ninjashogun: But then he said he wanted a bunch of impossible (at least in the near term) stuff before the two could talk frankly, including an SEC determination that it lacks jurisdiction over Bitcoin.
ninjashogun: where it says on your link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/03/20/sec-gets-on-the-bitcoin-investigation-bandwagon/) :
mircea_popescu: be nice to the noobs.
mircea_popescu: well, i guess there's going to be a steady stream of journo people coming in here these days
ozbot: SEC gets on the Bitcoin investigation bandwagon
asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/03/20/sec-gets-on-the-bitcoin-investigation-bandwagon
mircea_popescu: no wonder the doj is claiming prism has full support from the usg-controlled corps a la google yahoo etc
mircea_popescu: one's a dinky disqus-equivalent owned by conde nast. the other's a facebook-wannabe still in the cool vc phase.
Duffer1: odd that the one facilitating less dialogue shows more love
mircea_popescu: twitter love, reddit hate. it's like the interwebs autobalance.
Ukyo: Or perhaps there are no updates?
LordPutin: didn't ukyo from bitfunder already use thistypeof scam - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20x0ww/mtgox_announces_they_actually_still_owned_200000/
mike_c: lol. do you know mymothersasshole's real name?
LordPutin: who know what ilearned from thiswhole trendon shavers deposition is that youneed to have a good online username like "mymothersasshole" or something...."So you spoke with my mothers asshole on the 10th of Jan last year, is thatcorrect?"
ThickAsThieves: but the guys were happy with it too
ThickAsThieves: was shaky on the rocky horror font, but it seems to work
dignork: lol, "unspecified amounts of bitcoins are being moved, sometimes in fractions of a single bitcoin, into multiple accounts overseas". what do they smoke?
Mats_cd03: the heading says stocks followed by tables of data
Aquent: ohh sorry I was looking at the faq
Mats_cd03: its fairly clear, there is a contract for every enterprise
kakobrekla: did ya see S.GOOG there?
Mats_cd03: try looking at the site instead of asking stupid questions
Aquent: so can I buy google shares or other publicly traded companies on mpex?
bitcoinpete: thickasthieves artifexd could we do a btc loan or purchase instead? don't want another client that bad
gribble: You are now authenticated for user bitcoinpete with key 165749929F9A6BDD
kakobrekla: >The Company may, by written notice to any Members, suspend payment of withdrawal proceeds to such Members if the Member Manager reasonably deems it necessary to do so to comply with anti-money laundering laws and regulations applicable to the Company or any of the Company’s service providers, or due to circumstances beyond its control, including but not limited to general civil disturbance or September 11, 2001 type events.
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
bitcoinpete: alrighty then. are you up for a little test run?
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=bitcoinpete | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete | Rated since: never
benkay: here's a blog post for ya: "the only dependency in your reputational toolchain should be gpg"
bitcoinpete: blech, i have no idea either. regretting it now
benkay: another lifeboater
phf: taking in the bitcoin knowledge
benkay: what brings you 'round these parts?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Ghaleon: if you import a wallet.dat file into bitcoind does it copy over the receiving addresses? everything that I have read says IT WILL NOT COPY over receiving addresses....
Namworld: Who said I cared? I just have many BTC related channels opened at all time. On the plus side, those channels tend to be quick to link any article related to Bitcoin.
daybyter: but why should you care if the price goes up or down?
daybyter: so you don't trade anything, but wanna know why the price went up or down?
Namworld: Not about trading between users, literally the channels where they just talk about what they're doing, why they think price is headed that or that way and such.
Namworld: No, the currency trading channels
Namworld: Those that are on trading IRC channels talking about their profits and loss and speculating.
Namworld: The generic BTC crowd.
Apocalyptic: who are these guys anyway ?
Namworld: [17:12] <TheMediator> I think we have enough experience between the regulars where we could take turns hacking the exchange until we get it fairly secure
Namworld: [17:12] <TheMediator> its up to you namworld. If you think you can make it happen, we can use it as a base.
Namworld: [17:12] <Namworld> You can't audit the code.
Namworld: [17:12] <deup> that is why there are a bunch of exchanges
Namworld: [17:11] <Namworld> Dangerous thing, it took only a few hours to learn how to do. Making an exchange is in the reach of any moron willing to put a few days to learn how to and a month or two to code it full time.
Namworld: [17:10] <TheMediator> I can host and such
Namworld: [17:10] <TheMediator> Namworld, how long would it take you to get together something VERY simple so that like 10 of us could trade on it
Namworld: [17:09] <Namworld> I know basic PHP and just barely touched database. I made a microapp for fun, that just tracks views and clicks and banners, for a banner exchange. Without any user interface or accounts capability. Just the script for the banners + tracking.
Namworld: Actual conversation with the irrelevant chatter filtered out. People were talking about making a leveraged trading platforms for altcoins. Advice falling on deaf ears.
nubbins`: we already have one of these with an all-black CIS hooked up, for printing films
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
BingoBoingo: Of sorts, at least until May. I suppose I could drive to a North American border and walk if something urgent, but... This thing with the neighboring county still needs to play out
kakobrekla: yup its in the tos, under 'terrorist'
mod6: WE can put direct links to your businesses in the description of said video as well as get some girls to say " [your business name here] is great!!" while dressed up in fancy clothes and out on the town. << hahaha
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mod6: well, guess maybe it never made it out of the sandbox. still. lollerskates.
HeySteve2: then I shut it and reopened, it sees no blocks no unconfirmed
HeySteve2: well old version sees my funds at least, but the chain isn't indexed
ThickAsThieves: i at least like the idea of having direct access to hearn & co
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, you're not missing anything substantial by not lurking there
ThickAsThieves: might as well ditch #bitcoin-analysis and start lurking there
nubbins`: so as not to distract from the joy of driving
ThickAsThieves: The App Life
ThickAsThieves: they can "partner" with Uber for cab rides home too
ThickAsThieves: maybe they'll start renting beds too
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dexX7: so what's the intention with all those non-css stuff?
benkay: but i just ripped out all the css
nubbins`: if you're feeling really frisky some day, you could even add a date under the article titles
nubbins`: before you ask, i butchered the content of that article so it'd fit in a screen grab
nubbins`: asciilifeform: the problem with tables is that they're meant for tabular data, and using them to guide layout was always a shit-show
ThickAsThieves: css will even let you push things off the page, quite useful
ThickAsThieves: well they are kinda a bitch to make things pretty
ThickAsThieves: it's just content at the bottom right?
ThickAsThieves: why is there a footer tag?
dexX7: fyi: there is also a <footer></footer> tag
nubbins`: not go immediately to the previous or next one
nubbins`: if you insist on keeping "previous/next", at least put it after the article
nubbins`: and the "previous/next" shit that makes me feel like i'm navigating a shit text dump from some forum archives
benkay: but they're <h1>IMPORTANT</h1>
nubbins`: mostly because of the needless <h1> post titles
nubbins`: oh, they still are
benkay: what's the point i say
nubbins`: now it's not taller than the articles
nubbins`: i just halved -- at least -- the height of your footer
ThickAsThieves: how about we just have kako host a b-a BBS and everyone just posts blogs there
ThickAsThieves: some email spam is so weird... "We intend to import a large number of bullet proof glasses. Could you provide us that? If yes, Please send us more details of your product. Hope we will have the opportunity to cooperate!"
ThickAsThieves: NSA general counsel Rajesh De told the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board that the PRISM program was carried out with the “full knowledge and assistance of any company from which information is obtained.” The claim, if true, would mean that the many protests from Microsoft, Google, Apple, Yahoo, and other technology companies were factually inaccurate, if not deliberately
benkay: I had this figured out from the first day or so of looking seriously at Bitcoin. It takes you guys including MPOE a while to catch up.
ThickAsThieves: "discovering" things that they didnt realize or acknowledge were long since discovered
asciilifeform: though the concepts do have a common ancestor (mccarthy, 1958)
asciilifeform: 'sbcl,' for instance, runs at close to the speed of compiled 'c' when used intelligently
benkay: if you squint, lean your head sideways and don't work with other javascript developers javascript can be written fairly lispily.
benkay: lisps can be found that sit atop most other languages too, ThickAsThieves. there are python lisps, java lisps...
asciilifeform: or, if you like commercial support, there are proprietary products like 'Allegro' (franz corp.)
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: there is an unimaginable abundance of libraries of every description for various lisps
ThickAsThieves: is there a Lisp "framework" and "library" or would such be heresy?
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: additionally, there exist other 'programmable programming languages' - most famously, 'forth'
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: there is not, in fact, a programming language called 'lisp', but a large number of langs with various defining characteristics that put them in the category.