radan: some days I really feel like getting the fuck out of here
radan: what am I doing in the United States
radan: not the entire vast sum of humanity
radan: and those bastards have the audacity to call it altruism
radan: they call it racism, nepotism, whatever
radan: of course it's tricky in the West
mircea_popescu: so what are you doing here then
radan: the biological imperative.
radan: the natural thing for a man to do
LordPutin: should you shave your balls for the first date?
radan: going back to the society bit
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: sex and the city
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mircea_popescu: ;;ud sex in the city
radan: it's not anything like the movies portray it, lol
BingoBoingo: American culture is mostly distorted versions of other cultures kind of assembled after a long game of telephone
radan: I follow the customs of this country
mircea_popescu: well you're there, what are you asking me for.
mircea_popescu: reculturation is the process called marriage for women, where an individual moves from one culture to another.
mircea_popescu: aculturation is the process throuygh which one becomes a part of a culture.
radan: I don't know what you mean by reculture, either
mircea_popescu: depends on the teenager.
radan: I think the combined force of 15 million merchants and half a billion shabbos goyim is invulnerable to a single teenager, yes
mircea_popescu: besides, the best fucks i ever had were with people who weren't particularly genetically close to me.
mircea_popescu: mkay. so saying "any interaction I have with this society can only benefit them to our detriment" is not only problematic seeing how you're away studying, but moreover a restatement of "x is invulnerable"
radan: where the people are mixed beyond all belief
radan: and anyway I study in the United States
radan: any interaction I have with this society can only benefit them to our detriment
radan: the current system of governance and finance, media and education, is dominated by a people hostile to my own
nubbins`: ^ spiders and lsd in the same comic!
nubbins`: she was given the choice between a minimal environmental impact and the appearance of one, and she chose the latter
mircea_popescu: i wonder if they ever genetically engineer a colony of bacteria that knits
mircea_popescu: people pay an extra ten bitcoins per site for the words "bestest ever"...
nubbins`: imagine, paying an extra ten dollars per shirt for the word "earth"
nubbins`: well this supplier they insisted on choosing fucked the order royally, and the remainder of it showed up today, 21 days late
nubbins`: did i ever tell you guys about the client who insisted on "eco-friendly" (6.25%!) garments flown in from the other side of the continent rather than choosing local garments for half the price?
radan: which may be the reason those countries are so vilified lately
radan: I think they have very little leeway over North Korea and Iran, for example
radan: France more so than many other places
radan: the contry is run as it has been for an eternity by unelected bureaucrats and "rootless cosmopolitans"
mircea_popescu: this bullshit where you find fault with the world belongs with the skirts in a cramped greenwich village coffee house.
mircea_popescu: anyway, being a man is all about fighting and getting killed for the proper oligarch.
chetty: from the female standpoint = taking up arms beyond your own needs does not make you a man
mircea_popescu: you know the communists took over meanwhile ?
radan: I say the French
ThickAsThieves: does one really even choose to join the US Army?
mircea_popescu: not unless they call you a general chief of staff
radan: the FFL is full of arabs
radan: which is one of the reasons I'm not
mircea_popescu: quoth Lt. Barney Greenwald: "Ah, you're learning, Willie! You're learning that you don't work with a captain because you like the way he parts his hair. You work with him because he's got the job or you're no good! "
mircea_popescu: radan the "us army" are not your problem.
ThickAsThieves: btw I watched Gardens in the Night, turns out I had seen it before. it's awfully slow movie
radan: so I value much more the syrian who goes to war for his people - on either side - than the US soldier
mircea_popescu: you ever seen The Caine Mutiny ?
radan: and most causes the US Army pursues are ridiculous
radan: see, I don't think there's anything manly about dying for a ridiculous cause
mircea_popescu: seems self-obvious, neh ? if you want to wear a skirt in the shape of a good degree or not being arrested, that's fine and dandy, but if you want to be a man you generallyt couldn't care less what you're wearing.
ozbot: The Divine Cunt pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves but it seems to be his distillation nevertheless.
radan: I'd rather not get arrested, and I'm well on my way towards getting a good degree
ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure fighting and killing is the accurate distillation
mircea_popescu: you can start slinging dope downtown, you can join the marines, on it goes.
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/03/21/iran_s_fake_aircraft_carrier_u_s_officials_say_iran_navy_might_blow_it_up.html
mircea_popescu: not exactly a secret in any sense, except for the reddit crowd.
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asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: tor is great because any kid can set up his own nsa, vacuuming up the packets of 'seekoore' idiots. i'll leave it at that.
ThickAsThieves: "Given the technological sophistication of most Bitcoiners, equity crowdfunding with payment in bitcoins is undoubtedly a solid match."
mircea_popescu: at least shrem had the minimal decency to admit he's wrong. vessenes will have to go to prison,
ThickAsThieves: they seal it with a big fat kiss
mircea_popescu: this is exactly the problem. they keep getting beaten to shit, they keep hopping right up again
ThickAsThieves: "Further, the concept of self-executing contracts, powered by Ethereum, could take much of the risk of non-performance by managers of startups off the table. "
ThickAsThieves: lol and of cource an Ethereum plug follows shortly after
mircea_popescu: the bitcoin ragazine ? what is surprising to you here ?
jborkl: GLBSE should have been the headliner
ThickAsThieves: "However, anecdotal accounts have suggested that many participants in successful Kickstarter campaigns ultimately receive nothing at all from the companies to which they contribute."
ThickAsThieves: the article http://bitcoinmagazine.com/11395/securities-registration-requirements-holding-bitcoin-back/
ThickAsThieves: the BF is scourge in most ways
mircea_popescu: their completely clueless, "let's do the motions" calisthenic approach to things is going to get a lot of young men as per the quote above in a lot of trouble
ThickAsThieves: interesting to finally see a bitcoin securities article in the bitcoin "community" media
mircea_popescu: personally, i blame the bitcoin foundation, and murck especially.
ThickAsThieves: these guys are doing worse on a stage
ThickAsThieves: the paperwork police,” and informed interested parties that capital contributions in bitcoin would be accepted.
ThickAsThieves: The commissioner of the Texas State Securities Board issued an emergency order last week barring a private energy exploration company from accepting investments in bitcoin from non-accredited investors. The company, Balanced Energy LLC, allegedly solicited investors at the Texas Bitcoin Conference on March 6th with the statements “we don’t do any verification” and “we’re not
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah. they and those chicks of epulu.
mircea_popescu: letting the boys consult me as an experienced man of affairs. And having
mircea_popescu: inspection. I tickled my fancy with the idea of coming back to college and
mircea_popescu: buying one store after another and going from town to town on tours of
mircea_popescu: watching clerks taking in money. I had, in anticipation, the thrill of
mircea_popescu: name over the door and myself in a fine glass office looking out and
mircea_popescu: there's an excellently superb quote in that link benkay pasted yest.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: turns out the 50's housewives were running the show and just letting the men think they did ;)
ThickAsThieves: quick, these reddites
ThickAsThieves: "I am starting to think that this "China" news is just a tactic to make the price drop."
mircea_popescu: this reminds me of an older mp article, re how the market knows who will win any conflict.
ThickAsThieves: the original is classic tho
ThickAsThieves: yeah i skipped it after the previews
ThickAsThieves: incinerated park infrastructure and guard homes. Others seemed shot almost at random: Two people on a truck passing through Epulu, two other Epulu residents."
ThickAsThieves: "For an entire day scenes of horror and panic ripped through Epulu. Many people fled into the forest, others were taken hostage to carry the loot of the attackers. Women were raped. Seven people were killed. Among the dead are two park guards and the wife of another. Two of these were burned. Some reported that Amisi’s wife was burned alive, perhaps caught in the chaos as the outlaws
mircea_popescu: ReutersEmily so anyway, what's the story with this Bob Dobalina ?
ThickAsThieves: http://www.bonoboincongo.com/2012/07/03/okapi-attack-sends-shock-waves-through-the-ituri-forest/
mircea_popescu: well, that and the rape.
ThickAsThieves: western conservation reservations in the congo have been pillages in such ways just so rebels could make a point to unrelated parties
Namworld: thestringpuller, she's probably paid to talk with people all the time. I don't see why that would exclude chatting session with relevant people to an article, like Mircea. Which happens to be mostly talking only in this channel, as he seems to have made his online residence here.
ThickAsThieves: and then get raped and killed by poachers
LordPutin: going through europe sounds good you might evenmake some connections or findwhat you're looking for in the world
mircea_popescu: o yeah, backpacking throgh the congo outbush.
ThickAsThieves: so at best maybe we'll get regular trips to the Congo :/
ThickAsThieves: really the one pulling me is to backpack across europe... but I have a wife.
rithm: BingoBoingo stop nick highlighting me sometimes i lie on the internet
ThickAsThieves: I have a few paths to consider, but none seem to be the obvious choice.
Duffer1: you're in the right chan for sure reutersemily this chan spawn enough material to sustain multiple daily blogs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik, pretty much the only one who's put in the sweat to explain it in english is orlov
ReutersEmily: thestringpuller yeah i think that's funny too
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'technologies of controlled chaos'. subject more or less beaten to death in the russian world.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you could call it Tit for Tat, and have a nice shapely round tit in the header.
mircea_popescu: ReutersEmily if it's trying to connect you on this same name it'd prolly fail as the name's already in use.
ThickAsThieves: part of the problem really
ThickAsThieves: that's not even clear, not even to the board
LordPutin: theyreally messed things up
ThickAsThieves: I don't run any of them anymore though.
ThickAsThieves: They issued an updated prospectus, and afaik, will release updated finanicial projections this week. I am not clear whether they we will include a report of current accounts. I assume it will.
ThickAsThieves: Danny Brewster, the CEO, is generally easy to reach though.
LordPutin: didn't you useto represent neobee tat...at the start?
ThickAsThieves: topace, is a contractor for the IT side of Havelock afaik.
ThickAsThieves: Well, Havelock, we are told at least, we purchased by the Panama Fund. It, as far as I can tell, is run by the same person that runs CFIG.
ThickAsThieves: ReutersEmily, I can offer some insight on Havelock and Neo, but I am not an official representative for either.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves just wanted to get it on the record for 2016, when it'll be like the 10k btc pizza.
Duffer1: i mean 'suspect' in the loosest, just pulled that outta my ass, sense
Duffer1: ReutersEmily: who runs havelock? >> The Panama Fund SA (no idea what that means or who's behind it, I suspect Voorhees is related somehow)
mircea_popescu: i make other people's shit work.
mircea_popescu: seems you were alrwady in there tho.
mircea_popescu: so that's a first, she gets into the bash.
mircea_popescu: <ReutersEmily> oh gosh i can imagine...that would be the fastest way to turn your car into a convertible, hitting a moose <<< bwagaga
mircea_popescu: if they can't figure out how to take donations at least let them have that satisfaction
nubbins`: anyway, seriously gotta get moving. i've got ten pounds of pork shoulder to cut and grind, two loaves of bread to bake, and a ton of prep work in the studio
nubbins`: it finds its way to the people who enjoy it
ReutersEmily: so i would imagine there's a ton of moose hunting though right?
nubbins`: seriously tho, it's a real danger, to the point where some people have been calling for a widespread cull
nubbins`: well the problem is that they're tall with skinny legs, so if you hit one, it's coming in through the windshield
ReutersEmily: oh gosh i can imagine...that would be the fastest way to turn your car into a convertible, hitting a moose
ReutersEmily: heh, seriously? i had no idea they were introduced
nubbins`: now the island is covered in 'em :)
nubbins`: they brought two moose over here in the 1800s, didn't work out, so they brought over two more
nubbins`: so lean that it's usually consumed ground, either in burgers, meatballs, or sausages
nubbins`: normally i get roast-style hunks of moose, but they're more like t-bones this time around
nubbins`: gonna go with the allrecipes beer/soya/dijon one
Namworld: I think Silber was involved in Bitcoin way before SecondMarket thing if I'm not mistaken. Shame he doesn't hang out in the BTC channels.
ReutersEmily: ok guys....thank you so so much for being so nice to me and answering my questions. i am going to get on the phone in a minute so probably won't be able to pay as much attention in here, but i think i'll stay signed in
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: it's hard trying to figure out how greedy to be, as the great nubs said
mircea_popescu: as the great persian poet said.
BingoBoingo: Much of the Bitcoin Foundation seems to be career hucksters of the Amway-franchisee sort.
Namworld: Their problem, unlike Gox/others, they can deal. If they can't learn/adapt, they'll drop it.
mircea_popescu: in other words, bitcoin is its own field. having a good fundamental basis in finance is a plus. a big one, perhaps,
ReutersEmily: mircea_popescu how do you know they got burned in gox?
BingoBoingo: The Wall Street contingent seems more honest, but they are going to have to go through growing pains
mircea_popescu: Namworld well afaik they got burned pretty well in gox.
Namworld: SecondMarket fits its goal like intended, neither great nor bad.
mircea_popescu: ReutersEmily they're trying, but i think you probably know more in places by now than silbert does
Namworld: Even the public figures, there's distrust in them. Mostly because they tend to always have numerous ties with big scammers which keeps showing up in the public figures pool.
ReutersEmily: what do you think of the Wall Street contingent in bitcoin, like SecondMarket?
BingoBoingo: ReutersEmily: Yeah, they just really pump each other's dubious ventures and collect money they don't provide accounting for
nubbins`: ReutersEmily: keep this up and you'll join the clan of people who can afford to sit around on freenode all day ;D
ReutersEmily: you mean the bitcoin foundation BingoBoingo?
ReutersEmily: yeah i will hang in here. i can't believe 2 hours have gone by since i got to work and this is what i've been doing the whole time - ha!
mircea_popescu: anyway ReutersEmily the verification of such things is a fuzzy affair at best. you end up weighting things, who said what who they work with who trusts them and why etc.
mircea_popescu: so you know, who knows what goes on in the narcissist head.
mircea_popescu: well the guy is kinda attention-seeking.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i can't think of any other reason for a document leaker to modify the documents he's leaking.
nubbins`: which led me to believe that he sort of made the whole document up, and it got traction, so gox figured "now's as good a time as any"
Namworld: True, hard to verify when you don't have your own balance to verify against the leaked info (re hacked accoutns details).
nubbins`: ReutersEmily: you might be interested to know that the guy who "leaked" the document -- selkis, i think -- actually did the redactions himself
nubbins`: ReutersEmily: regarding that leaked crisis plan, did you see the actual PDF? with the "redactions" on the financials page?
Namworld: nubbins', to the press, that's not going to be enough unless it's firsthand from the business' owner if it's about a Bitcoin business.
ReutersEmily: well like some of the Mt Gox stuff that came out - that leaked crisis plan - and then the back-office stuff
mircea_popescu: radan i never used them. people ocasionally call scam but it doesn't usually seem to be the case.
nubbins`: ReutersEmily: this channel -- and a few others -- have identification features that are useful to this end
nubbins`: ReutersEmily: the best you can do re: verification is to verify who's saying things.
only_: ReutersEmily: something like "will MP get away with running an unregulated stock exchange on the interwebz?" that would be nice.
ReutersEmily: well one thing we have a hard time with is how to verify stuff that is said or posted on these forums
mircea_popescu: chetty that's a cute one. i recently saw a reference to the beanie babies. conveniently failing to mention that this thing's been going for five years, and dropped precipitously three times at least
mircea_popescu: qualifications for journalism these days. "must be young and like to read"
Namworld: Well true, events are usually known in Bitcoin IRC channels days before they make the news outlets.
nubbins`: lots of cruft, but diamonds hidden in the rough
mircea_popescu: ThickerThanThiev o hey, neobee is in there.
mircea_popescu: pretty much all the major stories broke here, often days early
radan: what is the future of bitcoin
ReutersEmily: so...Reuters is just getting into the coverage of bitcoin....do you guys have buring questions you'd like to see answered in a mainstream press article?
Namworld: Nefario returned most BTC, decided to screw it for the remainder and disappear.
mircea_popescu: now that guy, who was running glbse, met a bunch of these folks irl.
Namworld: Some have met some of the people in this channel. Although there's currently over an hundred participant and it varies a lot from day to day.
nubbins`: altho i think a fair number of people in here will be hitting up the conference
nubbins`: i've met none of these people in real life, and don't have any plans to
mircea_popescu: i would agree. there's about a million btc represented here,
ReutersEmily: like the way you talk about hedge fund guys who make zillions and could retire at 40
nubbins`: the implication being that widespread acceptance is the only thing that will lead to sustained high value
Namworld: So yeah, if BTC is ever worth a fortune each, there will probably be no need to trade them for cash, they'll probably be widely accepted by then for them to have appreciated that much..
ReutersEmily: and that is what you were trying to explain to the wired guy who had to go and drink tea and think about it afterwards?
Namworld: Well it's pretty much what's said in the movie, edited a bit to include Bitcoin.
nubbins`: which begs the question a bit
ReutersEmily: maybe it's because i haven't seen the matrix
mircea_popescu: "o x y z won't invest in btc" "dude, it matters not if they do it directly or tyhrough n layers abstracting it from you, it's still what's going on"
nubbins`: i was actually explaining this to my mother yesterday
mircea_popescu: that is EXACTLY the point. go morpheus.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` fuck, i could have said that. who beat me to the punch ?
ReutersEmily: but of the cases i did cover closely i never saw a defendant i thought was wrongly accused.
Namworld: But I haven't had time to think about this topic in details to form a specific or resilient opinion of the matter.
ReutersEmily: mircea_popescu i know. i don't know each of the cases well enough to be able to say they were "all correct"
nubbins`: thestringpuller +1
Namworld: But never prevent insider trading on the buying side.
ReutersEmily: mircea_popescu regarding cases brought over the past few years....of the 79 criminal insider trading cases brought by Manhattan federal prosecutor, not one has ended in an acquittal
Namworld: yet cleared the orderbook.
Namworld: But at the same time, if you need to work hard to earn through Business, why shouldn't those who have information through working hard not trade on it? Why prevent use of such information? I would perhaps only agree to go against management insider trading in case of catastrophic scenario (undeclared losses/bankruptcy), where management would probably both have ruined the company and
mircea_popescu: ReutersEmily you've followed the cases in the past few years, since it's your beat. would you say in each and every one it was your opinion that the actions as decided by either sec or courts were in fact correct ?
ReutersEmily: well they're pretty straightforward in that you have to have a tipper and a tipee, and the tipee has to know that the tipper is getting a personal benifit in exchange for giving out inside info
bounce: hard to see how they would not be
mircea_popescu: dexX7 i do think there's something there myself. just, you know... apparently it also burns.
mircea_popescu: ReutersEmily now that they are.
dexX7: yes, but i really like the idea.