cazalla: jurov: are they online anywhere?
mircea_popescu: motherfucker twitter changed profile layout
chetty: cryptoflood, maybe spend some time reading the logs
cryptoflood: Hey guys, Never really have chat here before just lurked, but I've been learning the ropes for a while now. Lost my last identity due to learning ignorance. Trying to build my WOT rating back up.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: is there an archive of logs prior to 26-04-2013?
Neil: Hmm, higher than that I think. The 16% is looking a little close.
KRS-One: Word is that if serious sanctions are imposed the Russian economy could crash. Jeez we need to work toward global economic growth and this isnt going to help. Hope at least it will save lives.
Namworld: I'm just referring to US-Russia bitching each other once again, which is actually happening.
Namworld: Oh, that text doesn't matter. If it's FUD it doesn't matter either.
dignork: Namworld, try reading the same text twice, it's FUD. Punchline is Jay Carney's phrase from two days ago
Namworld: So anyway, yes, it seems the US-Russia clusterfuckshowfest is returning.
diametric: oh was showing my wife the command when she glanced over
BCB: ozbot, are they PM's girls
cazalla: well, she didn't take the time to register her nick
KRS-One: someone needs to delete these black and whites..damn
KRS-One: the rng ok?
benkay: lame that's the same one!
KRS-One: i think the singer is ice cube's cousin or something
nubbins`: we've got a rush job lined up for tomorrow and we won't get the final content for the posters until like 4am ;0
nubbins`: rather than making websites
nubbins`: it took weeks to figure out what the fucking stats and graphs represented
nubbins`: they're all a bit intrusive
benkay: is there a non-horrible web analytics operation?
nubbins`: i.e. put the <sup> of the footnote number inside the <p> of the footnote text, so it doesn't put a huge break in there
nubbins`: you might want to adjust the way footnotes are presented too
nubbins`: i tell ya, the things i do for this ` ;(
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benkay: all the scamstocks?
benkay: all the scamcoins?
benkay: not really, radan. what would they be indexing?
radan: are there btc index funds?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: ;;later tell bitcoinpete subject of creative marketing and cars, did you ever see the frisky dingo scion episode?
benkay: if only you could mirror thermos' wallet.
mircea_popescu: so wait, wait. i said in a comment on trilema that the hansa exists since 1267 and thus this is the source of wikipedia ?
mircea_popescu: for one thing, they had a kidnapping white women programme going since the 70s, so you can't conveniently take a harem over unelss you actually shoot the little rat
pizzaman1337: they'd need electricity first
benkay: problem is keeping bitcoins within reach of the United States Government.
mircea_popescu: well there was some in nyc
dexX7: then don't use a +
mircea_popescu: you add the country code
mircea_popescu: i just go there to lay on a couch with all sorts of flatware all over my head
dexX7: "Not that I don’t maintain offices or anything, you can call +0731 076 827 and talk to the receptionist any time you feel like."
dexX7: was mentioned in the trilema article
jurov: is she sitting on the grill? riding over cobblestones?
mircea_popescu: Kevin Thau @kevinthau · 12m @bijan I have the same friend.
jurov: mircea_popescu: oh and the trilema comment was meant like TIL what I said.
mircea_popescu: everything's like a peanut to these people.
dexX7: it's only a thing between erik and the buyer
mircea_popescu: bitcoin economy ? like the supermarket! regulatory matters ? like a traffic cop stop!
dexX7: why should one care about the buyer?
mircea_popescu: "Seems like this is the equivalent of a LE officer asking to search your car or house looking for evidence."
jurov: lol i almost forgotten the snow by now
BCB: The FEDs already have a mirror
dexX7: tbh i don't know exactly what it is. i guess the attempt to create bitcointalk 2.0
mircea_popescu: tl;dr : "My guess: they lost money on trades while Gox was Goxing people, and now they're passing this loss on to "suspicious" accounts."
dexX7: there is some kind of mirror forum of btctalk which does not delete deleted posts
mircea_popescu: or for that matter, anyone happen to be the noob in question.
mircea_popescu: useful effort, tho obviously one'd have to be cautious allocating too much credibility to the underlying datapoints.
mircea_popescu: which just goes to show mtgox is continuing in the same tradition
mircea_popescu: the actual quote from drama timeline as to 2011 hack is "Amusingly, reports about the security such as it was having been breached were trickling in for weeks prior. Tis impossible to evaluate the actual loss with this one, but suffice it to observe that BTC was temporarily trading for 1 cent at the time."
mircea_popescu: how;s the snow ?
jurov: yes that was the biggest heist cuz no one knows
dexX7: you guys were saying several times that the largest amount of bitcoin stolen from gox was rather in 2011 and 2012. is there any reference? what was mentioned in the drama timeline accounts for about 20k only
benkay: don't tell that to the geneticists from this morning, jurov
kakobrekla: do you think they have that much dignity?
Mats_cd03: i don't either
benkay: Mats_cd03: i don't see the utility of training people out of good crypto habits.
benkay: "Keybase.io is also a Keybase client, however certain crypto actions (signing and decrypting) are limited to users who store client-encrypted copies of their private keys on the server, an optional feature we didn't mention above."
Mats_cd03: i have been told the implementation is undesirable
benkay: "On the website, all crypto is performed in JavaScript, in your browser. Some people have strong feelings about this, for good reason."
mircea_popescu: o there we go
asciilifeform: Родина == 'motherland'
mircea_popescu: but then... what, born what ?
asciilifeform: 'Да здравствуе' ~= '[let there] [have good health]' ~= engl. 'glory to'
benkay: the garage comment came from a carpenter and not a silicon engineer.
mircea_popescu: and moreover, sed no as to "ram is cheaper than any other chip wtf are you on about"
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gru | GRU. The Soviet military intelligence organization. GRU - Glavnoye Razvedyvatel'noye Upravleniye. by Да здравствует Родина September 03, 2012. 338 18.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=PGP | PGP. A pubic hair in plain view of the public, usually found on a toilet seat. Pube Gone Public. Instead of sitting on the toilet to unload my turd, I hovered over it ...
mircea_popescu: the20year1 so thats 6 + 2 from b4 ?
mircea_popescu: there was no garage.
benkay: "memory from here to the garage"
lyspooner: yes, they just put scrypt asics on pre-order yesterday
mircea_popescu: closer to the former afaik
gribble: Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/>; The stuple. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/the-stuple>; The best (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: On that note Imma head over a few hollers to pickle the liver. I am already considering at least 1 sponsorship offer for the blog, and I'll prolly contnue entertaining offers through Thursday.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ozbot: Mt. Gox was always dead in the water | Business Spectator
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mircea_popescu: "Most professional users moved away from Mt. Gox months ago, leaving April 2013 or thereabouts. By June 2013, the final nail was in the coffin for US users," said one of bitcoin's core developers, who requested anonymity.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell reutersemily "Concerns that regulatory action would cause customer funds to be trapped resulted in a sharp plunge in Bitcoin, falling from $US230 on April 10 to a low of $US68.49 on April 17" nah, http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/ that'll explain it to you.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell reutersemily "Shortly after that, a bitcoin exchange known as bitfloor was shuttered after its US bank account was closed because it had not properly registered with regulators." << nah, bitfloor was run by shtylman, who either ran off with the coin or "lost" it.
mircea_popescu: so there you have it.
mircea_popescu: "The whole reason we have such confidence in our company is that from the start we said this has got to be something that plays nicely with the traditional financial world," Ehrsam said in an interview.
mircea_popescu: "Fred Ehrsam, a co-founder of the Bitcoin trading platform Coinbase, said his company took a position early on that it would not fight regulators. Regulators have cited it as an example of how others should behave."
nubbins`: well why don't i just read the fucking faq ;(
nubbins`: well i guess that explains why the house bet chose my address for payout
mircea_popescu: by now coming up with bitbet bets is probably the highest paying writing gig on the internet.
nubbins`: what's the reasoning behind that?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i've seen a few wagers on bitbet that have "house bets" attached to them -- are there specific criteria for whether the house will throw down on a bet, or is it left to mod discretion?
BingoBoingo: I've put more though into the fundraising thing. If anyone really prefered the oil painting option I guess I could throw that in as well.
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/21/a-fundraiser-because-this-is-way-to-young-to-have-a-paywall-but-hosting-isnt-free/
hdbuck: some entity that holds your BTC for IUOs, then trade the shit out of it and run off whenever you claim them back?
Namworld: Well anyway, no point in talking further. I don't have anything else to do on the computer, I'll be on my way.
BingoBoingo: You know the biggest change in bitcoin from 2013 is last year is was hell trying to get mass media journalists interested in talking about MPEx.
Namworld: I think it's been established what is progress to me. Speaking of groups in absolute fuels hate, especially when the one speaking doesn't believe in such absolute, is bad. Thus I will speak against it when I see it. Just like you would call out people on doing things you disapprove of.
Namworld: You said you knew how jews think. Jews have a common religion. Everything else could be completly different. Although the religion might influence a good portion into certain ideas, if you took jews and non jews mixed together and asked their point of view on various things that doesn't touch jews like Israel and such, you'd have a hard time spotting them.
Namworld: I didn't say there's none. It might be common. That's okay to expect similiarities to be probable. But one should not assume people from the same group will be alike.
radan: "if you say otherwise you are racist"
radan: "nba players are just like any other people, some of them can shoot a basketball, some of them can't"
radan: saying "there's no similarities between individuals in a group" is a logical fallacy
radan: no, they're not
asciilifeform: 'you are on speaking terms with the night, as with an old enemy.' 'you sit in front of a machine that throws electrons in your face, all day, every day.' (former colleague's list of 'ye are a programmer if...')
mircea_popescu: Namworld what of bitcoin jesus then ?
Namworld: THERE IS NO REPRESENTATIVE FOR GROUPS OF PEOPLE
radan: of their thought
mircea_popescu: elected or otherwise ?
radan: and the individual vagaries
radan: you get to know the similarities
mircea_popescu: i once was with a girl so i know how THEY think!
Namworld: Knowing a jew does not make you know how they all think.
radan: I know how they think
mircea_popescu: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cRI_J0nwBY < in there
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the bug mafia band quoted earlier discusses, in a song about cars, "sau vre-o torpila dunarita, la volan o fata, mai tata"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in rus., the useless winglet sometimes found on a car is often called torpedo. same in ro ?
mircea_popescu: well isn't that the criteria ?
radan: yet you would feel deeply uncomfortable outside of the west
Namworld: Anything that reduce the motive behind wars, hate and violence is progress. Most technological progress have done just that so far.
mircea_popescu: a well. then he should say that :p
radan: they're great
radan: and evola, if you want to get into the metaphysics of it
asciilifeform: radan: me, i'm a believer in 'salvation of the drowning is work for the hands of the drowning' - but if you want organized - straight to limonov et al.
asciilifeform: radan: wait till you find out what passes for organized resistance to this crap in the usa
radan: an objective observer can decide for himself which of these opinions is the more realistic one
radan: which is the same as that of my ancestors thousands of years back
radan: there's a difference
radan: they're subjective
radan: they're not arbitrary
Namworld: I'm calling you out on calling the world is going bad or people are wrong-headed when it is doing so only by your standards, which are arbitrary.
radan: or whatever the current casus belli is
radan: if they want to stop me from hurting people's feelings
radan: I'll call them out on it
radan: no, there is no objective right or wrong
Namworld: Which is my whole point. It's all personality related. There's not really any right or wrong, re the way of living you choose.
radan: the leaders of this country have implemented a massive social security system
Namworld: I didn't say otherwise, just unsure about the best way to go about it and not liking how it's done.
Namworld: You said it was important to be manly and fearless to get girls, yet seemed confused as how to date in modern society. Your personality doesn't fit the modern culture. You say the culture is bad. Perhaps that is true, but you've given no justifications to it. Just that it doesn't fit you.
radan: and they don't have any kids
Namworld: You say that there is no purpose other than spreading genes, yet you're obsessed with promoting an arbitrarily sized sample of people with similar genes. You could scale up or down with a more specific or more generic group and call it promoting close genes all the same.
radan: thanks for the analysis, freud
Namworld: It's more of a question of individuality and who you are, which is not falling close to the average.
Namworld: My point is that you're contradicting yourself. You're saying the world is wrong, not you, because they don't fit your ideal. While there is technically no one that is right or wrong.
mircea_popescu: greatly helped along by the fact that every other noun means either cunt, whore or fucking
asciilifeform: it/sp/ro, etc. 'singable' languages are very amenable to the soviet linguist (hard head, wall, dictionary) treatment
Namworld: feeling like you don't belong and choosing to live the lifestyle you want, but your arguments about what's wrong with the world are off. The world isn't wrong, it is simply wrong for you.
Namworld: For one who said there is no purpose, you sure are quite obsessed with race. For one who said how being manly and fearless and getting girls is important, you sure seem afraid and lost as to how to act in a modern society to get it. For one who said modern culture is dust, you sure seem eager to go away and adopt an old one almost not practicioned anymore. There's nothing wrong with
mircea_popescu: radan well, let's see then... hmm... prolly bug mafia for oyu.
radan: it's what bulgarian music would sound like if it wasn't for the turks, I think
rithm: My personal fave: Because these idiots wont fucking die already, everyone else has to be inconvenienced. I deeply regret this. If it were practical Id just kill them all with my own hand. Unfortunately, it is not practical, and so with my deepest and most sincere apologies to sane people everywhere I have to modify the MPEx FAQ.
BingoBoingo: rithm: thestringpuller collected it
Radi777: yea cross-race effect that's why i said the joke about blacks and asians lol
mircea_popescu: so while the difference exists and they themselves can tell it, it may be the case that for the rest of the world a pigeon is a pigeon.
radan: anything south of the balkans is basically greece
asciilifeform: the ones that were required to be 'no taller than a mounted horseman'
Radi777: but its ok for me blacks look the same, and assians....LOL
radan: there are dark bulgarians, for sure
Radi777: this guy saying every bulgarian he met looks turkish lol either have seen only gypsies or turkish bulgarians, no real turkish looks like a real bulgarian..big difference
nubbins`: ah, i see the s.mg bet is slowly growing larger
radan: that's one of the reasons turkey has 70 million people
radan: the kid was considered turkish
mircea_popescu: i would like to visit the paralel universe where the arab invasion of egypt didn't happen, and the original tall lanky egyptians still roamed free
radan: there hasn't been any turkish genetic impact on bulgaria
mircea_popescu: otherwise "bulgaroi cu ceafa groasa" etc.
asciilifeform: virtually all of the bulgars i've ever met looked exactly like every turk i ever met...
nubbins`: so it should be interesting to see how these moose steaks turn out.
mircea_popescu: btw, got a link to the bulgarian version ?
nubbins`: well, i have to say i'm questioning the wisdom of a recipe that calls for 1/4 cup of soy sauce AND a tablespoon of salt
mircea_popescu: there definitely was. see miorita etc
radan: were it not for the turks
radan: I prefer to focus on our ancient brotherhood than any arbitrary divisions imposed by the western world
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's because the composers were drunk.
radan: beyond the genetic
radan: I don't think the vlachs had any influence on modern bulgaria
mircea_popescu: "we used to be great but everyone raped us, for the past millenium. even the romanians"
radan: east of the vistula
radan: lermontov is the best author
mircea_popescu: how was that quote, i speak french to my horse, german to my wife and russian to the chickens ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> nubbins`: another reason to learn russian. you can read virtually any book ever printed, originally in virtually any language, for free, searchable. <<< this.
nubbins`: a good chunk of mine is actually in .epub format, but through the wondrous Calibre, conversion is but a click away
asciilifeform: nubbins`: another reason to learn russian. you can read virtually any book ever printed, originally in virtually any language, for free, searchable.
mircea_popescu: there's oil in that bookshale!
Namworld: Other than genetic involvement.
BingoBoingo: So @bobmcmillan seems to be under the impression we had a long DM conversation. Is he confusing me with mircea_popescu
Namworld: The reason or two being: 1. Having done everything without success 2. Not having been the legal guardian and involved at all
asciilifeform: radan: there is a serbian song about exactly this!
asciilifeform: nubbins`: very quick & dirty on-the-spot translation. afaik there is no english version, official or otherwise
mircea_popescu: seeing how anyone can decline their decline
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the pasted text was from eduard limonov's book, 'disciplinary sanitarium'
asciilifeform: radan: can you even put together a decent minefield for 2000? much less a real defense
Namworld: So, what's your view on the topic, Mircea? Can a parent decline responsibility for what their kids are?
asciilifeform: charming eastern tradition of obligatory seppuku should be adopted in the west.
ozbot: Alleged Silk Road Founder's Mother Speaks Out - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: CNN aspires. That's really the whole of it.
radan: the kazakh steppe is empty
Namworld: We'd hear the outdoors moving... as a whole. but only very briefly.