asciilifeform: aside from sunlight, the other win from 'eink', mod6 , is that it draws 0 current when not drawing.
mod6: especially in weather like we've had lately. :]
mod6: what about one of these? https://www.mouser.com/new/adafruit/adafruit-raspberry-pi-7inch-display/
asciilifeform: the ordinary kind , with grey, loox indoors like 'old newspaper' but outside, in sun, is pretty great imho.
asciilifeform: the latter gives iirc 16 shades.
asciilifeform: mod6: the chinese make 3color thing, but it has poorer contrast than the classical one
mod6: are there any colors on ink-screen?
asciilifeform: ( hell, i'd live with 'vi' myself if that were the only cost.. )
asciilifeform: and i expect the 'vi' users even moar so.
asciilifeform: imho 'ideal' epaper gadget would simply have serial port and emulate vt100, and then could fit to anyffing at all.
asciilifeform: Mocky: the linked part was claimed to fit 'rpi header' (i.e. the 40pin thing on various arm boards, incl. our rk3328) with 0 solder or fancy interfacing. but apparently nodice.
asciilifeform: the panels also have a common cathode thing for clear-all-accumulated-rubbish
Mocky: yes but two types of redraw, one hard blanks out rect and then draws (amounts to 2 redraws), the other attempts update
asciilifeform: i've found that i personally think palpably smoother when on balcony, in sunlight. but atm can only do this with printouts..
asciilifeform: Mocky: afaik all of the decent chipsets support 'partial draw'
asciilifeform: 'eink' is moar or less exactly The Right Thing for hypothetical 'thinking man's lappy'.
asciilifeform: ( no known lcd worx worth half a shit in sunlight, unless one pumps sumthing like 50 watt into the backlight, and even then )
asciilifeform: so possibly for the better...
asciilifeform: i was able to find a film clip on www of somebody who actually got hold of the thing, and it didnt redraw in ANYTHING like 1sec
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-10-01 17:55 TomServo: asciilifeform: I tried getting one of the screens you mentioned here: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-20#1852509
a111: Logged on 2018-09-20 14:21 asciilifeform: in other misc noose, chinese nao sell a 10inch spi-interfaced eink display thing with <1s refresh, fits on e.g. our rk3328-roc-cc board without solderings. theoretically a lappy can be hand-sewn .
asciilifeform: ( luckily -- perhaps -- there's plenty to do on surface )
asciilifeform: but to summarize subthread -- asciilifeform gets 1 day / wk, and that's on a ~good~ wk, to run the deep drills. the rest of the time, stuck on surface.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in other lulz, "<nicoleci> omg asciilifeform <nicoleci> i couldnt load the page fast enough to fix it before he said anything <nicoleci> its already fixed but im not voiced"
asciilifeform: and yes [insert oblig thread!111] if i knew how to stop while keeping the lights on, i'd've stopped in 2013.
asciilifeform: at least not in the morbid form asciilifeform gets.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun expect you'd have the 'reboot' problem, no.
asciilifeform: proggies, articles, theorems.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure there's numerous threads going ~always on in the background, dun need loading, loaded once. in like, 1996.
mircea_popescu: my nonsense comes to me whenever it feels like -- in the shower, it ruined fucking once or twice also, often in the morn waking me up (the idea bladder is way the fuck worsew than the urine bladder -- which latter never ever wakes me up)...
asciilifeform: i.e. saturday, 'loading', sunday -- doing, then 5d of microshit, then new saturday, 'load' again...
asciilifeform: the repeated 'loading' costs quite a bit of time.
asciilifeform: i cannot speak for e.g. trinque , phf, mod6 , but would not be surprised if same is the case there.
asciilifeform: the sad troof is that ~all of asciilifeform's 'deep' worx (i.e. the ones that require loading a whole proggy / algo 'into head' ) happen on vacations & weekends (when the latter not filled with saecular crapola) rather than nights
mircea_popescu: i re-read logs also. i dun see the problem, what, log should be toilet paper, use once ?
asciilifeform: it is imperfect approach, and unpleasantly reminiscent of how leporidae eat their grass. but i havent found substantially better algo.
mod6: Might not be that far off, either.
mod6: I feel like, this will improve for me -- all of it. As someday I'll break out of these mines.
mod6: mircea_popescu: I actually do read the logs, but -- again, I wish I had more time to really grok the logs. Instead of just snarf them and move on to the next thing.
mircea_popescu: maybe it's all the buttsex, opens up his chakras.
mod6: I actually assume it's worse for alf. I have no idea how alf can keep up in irc, and all the other things. Guy has 20,000 hands.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 00:05 mircea_popescu: i kinda have in the back of my mind this impression that poor shane's ended up stuck with a large number of loose ends to juggle.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 15:59 mod6: And before the republic, I was very much a one-thing-at-a-time type of engineer. Seems like over the last year or maybe 18 months, I feel like I'm context switching so much, that I find it hard to get deep into the thinking that I need to. For instance, it bothers me that I still haven't found time to work through FFA.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 15:58 mod6: One other thing that I should note here, perhaps, is that I feel like I really get into the work deep into thought; when doing the trb related work.
asciilifeform: ( lotsa folx in usa, esp. on the sadder telcos, have foreign call switched off entirely )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i get china regularly. but they go via pwned usa boxen.
BingoBoingo: I'm leaning towards suspecting the robocall scammers hacked a Uruguayo office and under the impression Uruguay is a "rich" company have decided to pilfer
asciilifeform: then 'prince with millions', who else..
BingoBoingo: Aite, who the fuck tried to call me from Senegal
mircea_popescu: i dunno if anyone burns in hell for fucking girls too young, or too roughly, or drinking too much or burping in church. but i see it altogether possible that you show up before st peter and he's like "shit shane, you STILL suck at sales ?! off to the ovens with you, for shame!"
mod6: This is worthwhile. I've got a vector that I'd like to start into with sales -- as far as a market. Maybe one of these guys could help me get going.
mircea_popescu: worst case, you're out whatever drinks among old acquaintances cost you. there's worse fates.
mircea_popescu: alright, so make a list of the few, walk up to them and explain what problem you're encountering, and ask whether they'd be willing to either mentor or participate.
mod6: Well, it's not that I don't want to, I'd like it if we could somehow get the train moving down the track. Just worried that I don't have the know-how for this.
mod6: Good thing trb has burned off many warts. However, some warts are so deep, would kill the paitent.
mod6: I am somewhat sad about the state of the bitcoin poc as created by satoshi, but I'm still very much glad we have it.
mircea_popescu: "law enforcement officials and bureaucrats are the only known demographic interested in consuming child porn." << word.
mod6: I refuse to hate on the guy, really.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin was originally designed to work in the manner kids run doom -- turn it on now and again
mod6: he must have operated under the impression that guy reboots his windows machine every day or some wild idea.
asciilifeform: cuz otherwise they'll only be sent whatever's getting pushed, and it'll almost always be 'bastard' from their pov.
mod6: Thanks for the work/analysis.
asciilifeform: ( or rather, is incompatible with 'no se fia' )
asciilifeform: the 'push' model of block propagation, is simply wrong.
mircea_popescu: lookup is hard, and if he makes it the size it shnould be, it might crash.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in the trb observatory, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cMfST/?raw=true << restarted zoolag, and confirms my earlier hypothesis -- 'bastards' from friendlies are simply when they throw their latest block blindly at each peer, without concern for who actually can eat it, and who cannot. shitoshi's shit protocol.
mircea_popescu: imo accounts for the alternation.
mircea_popescu: the previous time, it was about "names -- only names in their own heads", djb, rms, whatever.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Still somehow this year Mocky fished himself up and defected to the Republic
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 16:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856376 << yet new ones are born every day. thousands of girls underwent puberty as we sat and spoke today, are they also excluded, "all women that'll ever be are already here" ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856553 << lol, seems to me that we regularly argue opposite sides of this puzzler. but yes, i'd luvv for there to be somewhere a hidden reserve of sane folx who will join republic and do quality work. but somehow they aint here yet, and i'm inclined to agree with mircea_popescu's much earlier hypothesis, where they either dun exist or are buried beneath such thick pantsuit iceberg that no drill pres
mircea_popescu: a right, there it is even.
mircea_popescu: in any case, the " mod6 left by himself in empty hall of foundation" not so sane situation for a mod6 to find himself into.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah, ok, which is basically how the charter reads in that section 0x2 para 3.
asciilifeform: it's the historic norm in sane undertakings, yes
mircea_popescu: i'd expect the mechanism'd be regarded universally.
mircea_popescu: i don't recall now if this was specifically said re foundation or only re qntra, but the two are ~same period, in any case,
mircea_popescu: ~then~, after that gets established, one can step down, add another, and so on. like a steps process, with continuity and everything.
mircea_popescu: i have this vague notion that the idea always was that you two will at some point summon a third.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 00:07 mircea_popescu: mod6 do you want to name someone to join into the chairdom ?
mircea_popescu: well... ok, but that is a latter development that'd be a separate issue. you'd want a third AND a mod6 replacement then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless i misread, mod6 asked to be relieved of the duty.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 14:28 asciilifeform: way i see it, if hanbot takes over mod6's duties, then oughta at least carry on what he was doing ( i.e. maintenance of the flagship tree, testing of candidate patches )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856392 << i thought the idea was to add a third. what take over ?
asciilifeform: it doesn't have much bearing on the problems faced by actual people, aside from drepper-extermination.
asciilifeform: the dreppers can, demonstrably, fuck up anyffing, if you let'em build a chair, it'll have a spiked cock protruding. and maybe six.
mircea_popescu: but it ... fucking is. and they have a binary format now, too. saw that ?
mircea_popescu: "some people who don't give a shit made this slop out of something or the other" mcdrepperism.
asciilifeform: would like to expel mc-anyffing from the system, yes.
asciilifeform: then i cannot disagree
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the sense "the whole idea of the fuck channel is to do your fucking for you". you gonna watch fuck channel ?
asciilifeform: and yes the existing item is bug-ridden.
mircea_popescu: (which is -- a bug ridden, half assed, "universal" ie dysfunctional, implementation of THE SAME SCRIPT)
mircea_popescu: rather than have a "system log".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform have a script that collates the logs you want and produce a flow.
mircea_popescu: so the cost of having the computer equivalent of "mains breaker" is so disproportionately immense, the 9000 wires gain exponentially.
asciilifeform: tape printer is a constrained device, if you let >1 proggy operate it at same time, it will output garbage ( lines inside other lines etc )
mircea_popescu: because UNLIKE electrics, where the flow is pantsuiot, and any portion of wire == any other, computers are hierarchied. the early portions of wire priviledged over the later.
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER, computing-electrical engineering befuddles this intuition. for computers -- much betterf to have the wires than to fuck the upstream design
mircea_popescu: now, intuitively, and from an actual electrical engineering standpoint, it seems intuitively right -- "rather than have wires through house connecting 9000 breakers, just have a mains breaker".
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 14:25 diana_coman: I think that's precisely what the chairs need to figure out: "what might fit under this " and be useful, ofc
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856387 << and if not figure out, at least work towards figuring out. there's a difference between "i found no rock but here's 500 clumps of earth i tried" and "i don't understand whart a rock would be"
mircea_popescu: but i very much disagree "systemwide" "log mechanism" is either acceptable or necessary. leaving "a good idea" way far behind and to the left.
asciilifeform: the whole unix permissions thing is a massive crock of shit
asciilifeform: i want e.g. nginx to log, but to not have write permission anywhere else. unix offers no way to do this aside from the current horror.
asciilifeform: 'oops the log is gone, randomly' is fucktarded.
mircea_popescu: very fit for the logging specificallty discussed here.
mircea_popescu: give them write permissions to /tmp
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 15:52 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856366 << imo syslogger should be abolished altogether. before systemd it wasn't obvious to me what it is -- but now, plenty obvious. "unified logging" terrible idea.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856534 << non-kernelistic but 'systemwide' logging is an unfortunate artifact of unixism, where there are processes that dun have write permissions anywhere but nevertheless must log
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 15:54 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856363 it's in the tree and works fine for me >> http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis#L5782
diana_coman: heh, my next line there :P
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856381 << kinda the idea though -- if uncharted territory stays uncharted... well ? what are we, the folk living across from zanzibar, waiting for indonesians to come over and discover it, because it's easier for them to cover 5k miles than for us 50 ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856377 << well, the way i read the 1-2-3-4 progression from above is that "it is focused but not limited to trb, supposed to outreach from it".
mircea_popescu: the girl i last fucked in the ass was... NINE years old last i visited the us. and at the time i last visited the us, "all the women that were with me -- were with me" also.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 14:22 asciilifeform: ( and imho all of the people qualified to work on trbi, are already here, they dun need to see duck races to be persuaded to come... )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856376 << yet new ones are born every day. thousands of girls underwent puberty as we sat and spoke today, are they also excluded, "all women that'll ever be are already here" ?
mod6: Not only FFA, but other parts of TRB that I'd love to educate myself upon. I think you take my meaning.
mod6: And before the republic, I was very much a one-thing-at-a-time type of engineer. Seems like over the last year or maybe 18 months, I feel like I'm context switching so much, that I find it hard to get deep into the thinking that I need to. For instance, it bothers me that I still haven't found time to work through FFA.
mircea_popescu: ft-free in face of this conflict requires deliberate effort involving multiple people, which in turn require management and guidance. 4. ``THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION'' will endeavour to provide these, while fostering community growth and development, under the general principle that if and when any other thing conflicts with Bitcoin, that other thing must either be discontinued or amended in such a way as to no longer conflict w
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 14:22 asciilifeform: i could even see an argument that the charter could permit 'trb-i' work under the flag of tbf. but that's as far as it goes, per my reading
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856375 << let's give it a public reading, then. it says : "1. Bitcoin is a far reaching innovation with effects unknown and unknowable. 2. It is altogether probable that its effects will conflict with all currently established human conventions. 3. Maintaining the core values as established by the original author in the form of a reference implementation that is lightweight, coherent and cru
mod6: One other thing that I should note here, perhaps, is that I feel like I really get into the work deep into thought; when doing the trb related work.
diana_coman: I certainly think mod6 is and has been doing a great job in maintaining the v-tree for trb - and as I said before, I don't think it's something linked to tbf chair position
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 14:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856334 << ianal, but aint that the ~whole point of 'international maritime law' ? where iirc once insurance pays, the sunken cargo turns into 'buried treasure' and belongs to whoever lifts it, no questions asked ?
mod6: I'm really lacking in the 'sales' end of things with Pizarro too, obviously.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 14:08 asciilifeform: incidentally, does anyone remember wtf happened to the 'log timestamps' patch for trb ? who wrote it, and how come it never made it into the flagship tree ?
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856363 it's in the tree and works fine for me >> http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis#L5782
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856366 << imo syslogger should be abolished altogether. before systemd it wasn't obvious to me what it is -- but now, plenty obvious. "unified logging" terrible idea.
mod6: I feel like I can be pretty successful in doing that, it's the other things that I feel like I'm lacking -- a senseable direction to a 'Standford'.
mircea_popescu: (the schmuck in question, whiom i wil lstubbornly not name, was so adept at rabble rousing, pompey had trouble leaving his fucking house. notwithstanding pompey stood with caesar approx in the position the duke of exter stood with the leading perfume seller on the strand.)
mod6: I love trb, and doing the foundation. I take a very measured, meticulous, methodical, and detail oriented approach to the work to provide a very sound patch set -- as best as I can.
mircea_popescu: i don't necessarily disagree -- but the explanation stands as such.
mircea_popescu: fine. then that's my explanation : suleyman the magnificent, in spite of being the ~best leader sublime porte ever had, nevertheless "fucked it" because he happened to walk into the room as corpse croaked.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 14:35 asciilifeform: at the risk of 'bureaucratism', i'd suggest to mod6 & ben_vulpes to amend charter to explicitly make clear the duties of the chair, prior to swapping chairs. but would be curious to see what mircea_popescu thinks.
mircea_popescu: any of these had prevailed, the republic'd have died. so why caesar's fault ? cuz he won ?
mircea_popescu: there were a number of leadership lines trying to deal with it. there was the cicero- "be manlier" writer line. there was the caesar "divine right of great people" line. there was the pre-nero/napoleon fuck it all and let's party line (recall the schmuck that adopted himself by a peon to qualify for plebeian dignities ?)
mod6: It's hard, I'm super conflicted about the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: well, let us look into this. so at the time caesar was "pushing republic off cliff", the republic had a serious problem, which caesar hadn't created (the marii had created, and the bleg senate had created).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you hold the view caesar pushed republic off cliff ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 15:35 mircea_popescu: but yes, personal slaves of sultan. and i can see why, and i thought thence all the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856322 style comments. what i can't see is why they'd make them boys. orphans or not, there's still http://trilema.com/2018/traditional-family-vs-the-harem-a-comparative-study/ that controls.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856495 << at some point gotta explain why the sultans with boys built empire, and the fella with roxy, pushed it off cliff
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the advantage of a small oriental republic.
BingoBoingo really getting a kick out of seeing his everyday places in the news
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 09:04 diana_coman: phf, please add the fix patch to eucrypt http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/#selection-391.0-399.38
diana_coman: PeterL - was waiting on your patch for the 255 instead of 256 error on keccak but since it didn't come, I patched it http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/15/eucrypt-chapter-10-oaep-with-keccak-a-la-tmsr/comment-page-1/#comment-4254 ; ref http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856345
mod6: Right now, I've got two major struggles. The Foundation, which I feel like I've been at least successful at the trb curation end of (and am certainly much more well suited for), and Pizarro.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's on Avenida General Riviera, along the walk from datacenter city to "center" city
mod6: I think, and I guess I could be wrong here, that it could be a good time to bring in some new leadership to the foundation.
mircea_popescu: all the foregoing aside, i very much hope mod6 dun take any of it as some kind of personal rebuff. i agree with all the others who like him very much, because i also.
BingoBoingo: ^ asciilifeform Does the photographed intersection look familiar (actual event reportedly a block or so north)
BingoBoingo: In other notes, do not accept invitations to sleep in other people's cars https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/un-hombre-fue-asesinado-en-parque-batlle-mientras-dormia-dentro-de-un-auto-201810111743
asciilifeform: but upstack, pretty sure i grasp the point re contracts, they are not substitute for actual cohesion , and anyone who tries to substitute , ends up with obummer's empire, yes
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 04:01 asciilifeform: it's a q for the current board. i suggested to ask hanbot because hanbot is known as a very skilled organizational hand, and not currently running anyffing ( aside from, possibly, mircea_popescu's janissary corps )
mircea_popescu: but yes, personal slaves of sultan. and i can see why, and i thought thence all the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856322 style comments. what i can't see is why they'd make them boys. orphans or not, there's still http://trilema.com/2018/traditional-family-vs-the-harem-a-comparative-study/ that controls.
asciilifeform: y'know, their l1
asciilifeform: was thinking of janissary corps , i.e. 'ss'/leibstandarte, rather than empire as whole
mircea_popescu: except the milet system is exact opposite of this
asciilifeform: how they were seen by euros as 'backward' for having 'errybody, from vizier down, is personal slave of sultan' instead of 'contract'
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 15:07 mircea_popescu: the utility of such devices is very moderate indeed -- ALL it ever does is support the otherwise spurious pretense that slaves are not in fact slaves but somehow citizens. lincoln needed this to support his tenuous attempts on fucking over his country. i can't imagine what we'd need it for.
mircea_popescu: and the "authority", or w/e judge, stuck with dealing with the "reddit revolution" will, if sane, say exact same thing. which the morons will interpret as "o noes elites have abandoned us, must make own justice"
BingoBoingo: Well, still apparently has quite a few of the orcs lit up. Still, something to go amongst the people and talk about.
mircea_popescu: the foregoing is no evidence of fraud.
mircea_popescu: well, a) shuffler is never live (mostly, because the legal trappings around it require the shuffling be redone in some circumstances -- such as malfunction.) with b) orcs can't sync a gfx.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Number appeared on the graphic layover BEFORE coming out of the shuffling ball hopper
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ahaha they can't pay, illinois style ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 14:08 asciilifeform: incidentally, does anyone remember wtf happened to the 'log timestamps' patch for trb ? who wrote it, and how come it never made it into the flagship tree ?
BingoBoingo: In other 64k pyramids: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/el-5-de-oro-en-el-que-se-adelanto-un-numero-y-la-explicacion-de-loterias-y-quinielas-201810110170
mircea_popescu: aaand there goes my trilema article for the day. i wonder why i never get to publish anything anymore...
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 15:24 mircea_popescu: and if experience with the empire of "i just want to" lazy idiots is any guide, they're DEFINITELY not going to "get in trouble for buying microsoft". because "nobody could have predicted" and "they were just doing their job" which "hey man, it's just a gig, it's not my life!"
mircea_popescu: the essence, inalienable and substantial, of all freedom, is global responsibility. yes this means that you may end up blindsided by landing empires of bugs. it also, together and inseparably, means that you may be a person, and things such as "i'm not about to tell you what comp lang to use" etc. as counterdistinct from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666454
a111: Logged on 2018-07-24 15:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider eg that pizarro doesn't need to undertake the (significant, and unbounded) cost of writing "code of conduct" or "terms of service" or any of the other nonsense. things have changed. nude bitcoin is dangerous in the sense discussed in 2012, but bitcoin-as-currency-of-the-republic eminently usable today.
mircea_popescu: this stance informs my http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-24#1837545 as well as my position here : there's very limited use for an enumeration of duties in a lordship forum. it's fine and dandy if any lord wishes to use it in training his own slaves, but this is pointedly not what i'm contemplating in these halls.
mircea_popescu: the utility of such devices is very moderate indeed -- ALL it ever does is support the otherwise spurious pretense that slaves are not in fact slaves but somehow citizens. lincoln needed this to support his tenuous attempts on fucking over his country. i can't imagine what we'd need it for.
mircea_popescu: an "employment contract", a writ which delineates what the ~~~SLAVE~~~ is to do is no kind of contract. its only use is for the slave to oppose to master, "but why should i be blamed for not doing x, it's not written in here".
mircea_popescu: whereas the 2nd girl runs over to find me, and cower behind me, and "massah, massah, job no longer doable".
mircea_popescu: the difference between these two is that if the alien empire of bugs attacks planet earth, and they land on my palace floor and litter it, the former girl will organize intergalactic war with mops and buckets, AND DIE ON THAT FUCKING FLOOR. to be buried later, in a taj mahal built for the purpose.
mircea_popescu: if i tell a girl "keep the palace floors clean", it's one thing. if i tell a girl "clean from here to here, this is your mop this is your detergent you're to be done by noon", it's another thing.
mircea_popescu: the process through which they succeeded this replacement was inventing a hallucinated "freedom" for slaves, a thing that can never be.
mircea_popescu: now, these people wanted to replace the republican "several colonies" with the imperial "united states". (but they'd have stolen the name "several colonies", if that seemed more valuable in 1860.)
mircea_popescu: this is what the pantsuit do : call good bad and bad good. that's it. and if it doesn't stick, they don't care, they just repeat it. over a long enough interval, it'll end up sticking statistically, especially if left unopposed (and who has the resources to oppose sheer femidiocy ?).
mircea_popescu: consider by way of ilustration that frank sinatra has this reputation, unexamined, apodictic, of some kind of smooth, very sexually powerful operator. this reputation was built on the basis of a bunch of idiotic films written and directed by gene kelly, the adam sandler of the 40s, in which frank sinatra is POINTEDLY SEXUALLY INEPT.
mircea_popescu: a) the anti-humanity party, however temporarily called, "protestant", "presbyterian", "unitarian", "democratic", "civilized", "ecologist", "animal rightist" what have you -- they're still these people who plainly and simply hate human life as a thing.
mircea_popescu: i think the problems people in general encounter in conceptualizing contracts come from a very misfortunate but clearly delineated source, so let me belabour the matter to understand each other for all time.
mircea_popescu: cuz how the fuck.
mircea_popescu: it may shock "the community" of not-bdsm to find that i... DONT have "Slavery contracts" either.
asciilifeform: was simply curious re whether the other participants (incl. new ones, potentially hanbot) see the thing through same lens as asciilifeform , or not.
mircea_popescu: it seems to me if the latter were even vaguely approachable, the former'd have been impressively developed already.
mircea_popescu: it seems to me you're essentially saying "hey chairs, in recognition of how you've mostly failed to organize an experimental physics laboratory over half a decade, how about you produce a unified world theory on your way out".
asciilifeform: so to return to orig q , imho 'job of physicist' is 1st, and above all, to work so that 'physics' ~fits in head~ and thereby remains a legitimate item.
asciilifeform: recall the thread where mircea_popescu observed 'y'know those 'hard' murder cases, where detective sits an' thinks, well guess what , in new york they no longer do that, either obvious suspect or they shelve it nao'
mircea_popescu: i think maybe we're not talking together.
asciilifeform: physicist, who ~must~ look for a simpler equation that in fact may not exist; surgeon who must operate on the possibly-hopeless pre-corpse; detective, who must look for a robber who for all he knows maybe teleported; etc
mircea_popescu: is it your job to tell me "the chapter titles of the universal and permanent book on physics" ?
asciilifeform: there's all kindsa people whose entirely legit duty is to attempt, continuously, the possibly-impossible.
mircea_popescu: so ok, i'll bite. what is "the job of pysicist" ?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-31 16:28 asciilifeform: and if someone wants to mention godel etc -- ethical engineer MAY NOT cite godel, EVER, just as a police detective MAY NOT cite the supernatural and admit a hypothesis of miraculous theft from a safe
asciilifeform: i'm sympathetic to the scandinavian view -- yes, world will perish in fire and ice, nothing is 4evah, etc. but doesn't excuse surrender.
mircea_popescu: i mean, it's ok to ask things of people. even difficult things. but can you ask the impossible ?
mircea_popescu: but how would you go about defining what the chair's job is ?
asciilifeform: doesn't excuse anybody from trying and dying on the embrasures imho.
mircea_popescu: there's no way to do that though.
asciilifeform: strictly from asciilifeform's pov, tbf is a (to date, imho very successful) ~conservative~ institution, rather like (pre-20th c) vatican.
asciilifeform: at the risk of 'bureaucratism', i'd suggest to mod6 & ben_vulpes to amend charter to explicitly make clear the duties of the chair, prior to swapping chairs. but would be curious to see what mircea_popescu thinks.
diana_coman: so then that, fine; not to do with trb though per se, cool
asciilifeform: i suppose the fundamental headache is that the charter never explicitly specified that the chair is who does.
diana_coman: I don't see that related to one specific chair, I guess; i.e. I don't even see a problem if mod6 wants to continue testing the patches and maintaining the tree even if he is not trb chair (not that he has to continue, but neither does he have to pass the job on if he is not chair anymore)
asciilifeform: as i observed just today and on 9000 occasions, even the simple thing of 'why can a trb node be 100 blox behind a fellow trb peer' is not yet licked
asciilifeform: fwiw i see my own work on trb, to date, as a ~defensive~ affair, i.e. to make whatever fixes req'd to keep the thing working precisely as it worked in 2009, in the face of the very real and continuing network rot / 9000 forms of active attack from heathendom to date
asciilifeform: my contention was simply that oddball extensions of the mission ought not to subtract from the traditional mission, is all.
diana_coman: I agree that there is plenty of work to be done on trb, sure; but I don't see the subtraction thing
asciilifeform: way i see it, if hanbot takes over mod6's duties, then oughta at least carry on what he was doing ( i.e. maintenance of the flagship tree, testing of candidate patches )
diana_coman: i.e. what does one have to do with the other? what, hanbot should now start working on trb if she becomes chair?
asciilifeform: it is very much a question for the board, tho.
diana_coman: I don't follow your reasoning there
asciilifeform: way i see it, there's plenty of sharp edges left on good old trb, and any new work ought not to subtract from the very real remaining work of smoothing'em out.
diana_coman: I think that's precisely what the chairs need to figure out: "what might fit under this " and be useful, ofc
diana_coman: sure it is, but that's more of the point from what I see
diana_coman: yes but further afield - not even focused on *code*
asciilifeform: diana_coman: right, pretty much all of the early vtronics work happened on tbf ml
asciilifeform: ( and imho all of the people qualified to work on trbi, are already here, they dun need to see duck races to be persuaded to come... )
asciilifeform: i could even see an argument that the charter could permit 'trb-i' work under the flag of tbf. but that's as far as it goes, per my reading
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 03:45 hanbot: okay, but are gimmicks that work therefore good?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856296 << i gotta admit that i dun see point in 'growth for growth's sake'. there was already prb 'foundation' for ~that~. tbf is for maintaining & improving (constructively! there's plenty of actual ills to cure, that dun reduce to 'not enuff heathen notoriety' ) trb.
asciilifeform: ( i.e. i dun recall spain defending any claims to the contents of sunken 17th c. galleons that usa regularly picked up in '70s-'80s )
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 04:35 mircea_popescu: every single insurance company in the world found itself genealogically related to insurers who made payments in the 1800s, resulting in a legal battle settled sometime in the 90s, ~90% award to the finding crew. the leader of which went into hiding soon thereafter, in the middle of various legal wranglings with his backers and crew.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856334 << ianal, but aint that the ~whole point of 'international maritime law' ? where iirc once insurance pays, the sunken cargo turns into 'buried treasure' and belongs to whoever lifts it, no questions asked ?
asciilifeform: ~that~ is the Right Thing for cl packagetronics.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 11:51 esthlos: trinque: asdf is used to join the pieces together (keccak, gpg, etc.) for use by the vtron proper. I tried to build the vtron modularly, and my understanding is that asdf is the standard for handling modules in common lisp. is there a better way to do package management in cl?
asciilifeform: imho oughta exist at the very least as optional jumper.
asciilifeform: incidentally, does anyone remember wtf happened to the 'log timestamps' patch for trb ? who wrote it, and how come it never made it into the flagship tree ?
asciilifeform: and yea it's http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks/tree/bitcoin/src/main.cpp#L1362 that trb (and for that matter heathens, but fuck'em) doesn't respond to sanely.
asciilifeform: then again there is the simpler explanation : that it only gets asked on connect, and our connectivity is good enuff that this happens rarely.
asciilifeform: i'm pretty curious why a trb node is able to answer pfrom->PushGetBlocks(pindexBest, uint256(0)); with ANYTHING other than the immediately-missing next block, when it is known to have it.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 00:59 asciilifeform: meanwhile in asciilifeform's trb observatory : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SEy0g/?raw=true << 'bastards' emitted by ( among others ) friendlies. really is imho bug, trb ought not to send bastards to trb.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dhl sent me a 'crate delivery today, plz be there to sign' in re your thing