VanCleef: but yeh anyway another terrible buy from fb
ThickAsThieves: VanCleef, while that would be "nice" i see no reason they should
Duffer1: aren't they allowed already through a DPO?
ThickAsThieves: but if Oculos were allowed to actually crowdfund for equity investors, the odds are thats what they would have done instead
ThickAsThieves: and can only expect their gizmo
Duffer1: i believe that's more an effect of a consumer mindset rather than a common sense mindset that would naturally want equity instead of swag
benkay: i thought that was the whole point of kickstarter.
ThickAsThieves: oculus gets $2m to create their thing, sells out for $2b
ThickAsThieves: http://pando.com/2014/03/26/oculus-rises-to-a-2b-exit-while-its-kickstarter-backers-are-left-with-cheap-swag/ it's interesting to think how regulation has actually created a situation where investors can be totally removed from any interest in the company they effectively funded
asciilifeform: somehow this is all very reminiscent of folks disenchanted with the american medical establishment switching to snake oils, faith healing
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bounce: bit of a problem then that from the outside you can't see just how the exchange's innards pick their condiments
ozbot: Tulip Mania: The First Bubble [Debt & Doubt - Animation 6] - YouTube
bounce: oh, so the core devs are at it deliberately
asciilifeform: reference client perhaps shouldn't be filled with interfaces that don't work << not everything in the kitchen is food. rat poison is not a condiment
benkay: talk to the 'core dev team' about that.
bounce: well, yes, but that's not really the point. the reference client perhaps shouldn't be filled with interfaces that don't work very well.
BingoBoingo: bounce: They used "features" that weren't really implemented
asciilifeform: bounce: not because the thing isn't a turd - it is - but it is then necessary to explain why other people's coins have stayed put.
bounce: so now we have a bunch that did their own coind and customer funds went AWOL. and a bunch that used the reference client and customer funds went AWOL. now, digital finance is unforgiving, but I'll say that it's not purely operator error in a hostile environment; looks like the machinery is dangerous too.
padishah_emperor: and more for absurdist theatre
Mats_cd03: your negro vernacular is lacking, thestringpuller
thestringpuller: "if you're getting bitcoin throw it in the air. bitcoin-assets, the hustler's lair."
BingoBoingo: "The freedom fighters are poorly-funded, and thus are sourcing money via war tourism, inviting wealthy foreigners to join their ranks for the thrills and experience."
padishah_emperor: mircea i think whether you like it or not you're getting my money
padishah_emperor: my father was from moldova
mircea_popescu: well then you should hold on to it and spend a year or so reading.
mike_c: padishah_emperor: he was kidding. they are insolvent.
mike_c: oh, derp. he is one of the three amigos from coinrush.
Mats_cd03: i bet this individual doesnt know the difference between signed and unsigned integers
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VanCleef: ;;google theglobe.com
VanCleef: ;google theglobe.com
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic maybe drop a link to the article ?
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 well lampelina will, i gather.
Mats_cd03: if someone hosts the so-called bitcoin educational page, ill help populate it with materials
Apocalyptic: "[03:43] <Linkandzelda> I built my exchange to work around the daemon's account feature for managing user trades and balances/deposits/withdraws
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, remember the tards from http://trilema.com/2014/robert-keith-cristopher-jr-matt-sartain-kristian-thomson-cryptorush-much-comedy-lulzgoldmine/ ?
benkay: Neil: you neglected to mention that his odds are much longer than the house odds
mircea_popescu: artifexd i suppose that's the one thing that has never happened yet.
benkay: Neil: why not reignite the discussion?
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 4 days, 17 hours, 41 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <smickles> wtf bet on the price rising rather than buying more or buying an option (or similar)
benkay: comedy is when the bad guy dies
assbot: I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
artifexd: <mircea_popescu> suppose someone has to be let go. << Fire the person that sucks at their job
asciilifeform: once again, i can't say that this scenario is impossible. just that it includes an extraordinary level of 'personal attention' from bureaucrats who would normally rather play tetris
mircea_popescu: they have like computers now and shit.
mircea_popescu: what are you, from the 60s ?
mircea_popescu: third parties can also shoot you and bury you in the river.
asciilifeform: so the fellow who is to fire you may not even know if you use 401k
asciilifeform: not that this situation is impossible - but most large co.s have a third party run their chumpatronics
mircea_popescu: if he plans his budget, and you upset the planning,
mircea_popescu: the matching gives him a tax break.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the one who opts out is more expensive to him.
asciilifeform: if it's a corp that 'matches' 401k, and avaricious boss, he ought to fire the more expensive fellow (the one who opts in) ?
mircea_popescu: suppose the yearly review mentions this point.
mircea_popescu: suppose you're the only one who doesn't.
mircea_popescu: suppose you work as an accountant, with six others.
asciilifeform: one can still decide on the degree to which to play the chumpatron. no one is forced to buy 401k, yet.
mircea_popescu: lol. someone should point out to the sperm seller the precedent re paying for child support.
mircea_popescu: so no, participation in the us chumpatron is voluntary in the sense participation in the communist party was voluntary.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very theoretically. in the sense you're theoretically welcome to shoot the president.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, but contractors aren't physical persons, they're legal persons, and that rule does exist.
asciilifeform: you are theoretically welcome to keep your pay in gold, or cement, so long as the tax was paid
mircea_popescu: pending you prove that you have a "legitimate reason" and in any case you face prosecution under the "trying to avoid prosecution for using your own money" laws.
asciilifeform: but there isn't an official 'humans must keep cash in a bank' rule atm.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the fuss will be that on the third time yo udo it your house will be confiscated,
mircea_popescu: and keep it at home, i'll be in violation of the "corps must keep their funds i na bank" rule.
mircea_popescu: i order them to pay me 10k.
mircea_popescu: i go to bank, order them to pay me 100k.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then what part of "not allowed" don't you follow ?
ThickAsThieves: yes the $xxxx thing is a real throttle
benkay: another cuh-ray-zee aspect of the bezzle is the plastic rewards thing that makes cash more expensive.
asciilifeform: since when? every bank i ever used let you take it out. granted, if you take more than $xxxx in one day, the anti-terrorism folks get a phone call.
ThickAsThieves: i missed something, why can't someone withdraw their money?
mircea_popescu: on one hand because you are legally required to keep your money in the bank
mircea_popescu: and you can't take the cash out.
asciilifeform: in u.s. you can usually become 'contractor' and get your pay in whole, then you are required to pay the tax collectors manually
mircea_popescu: you can't instruct them to pay you in cash.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but yes they do. suppose you work for company x.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 401k-dollar and the cocaine-stained-dollar << nobody forces people to jump in chumpatron
kakobrekla: >>Probably deleted by himself because his user ID does not appear in the modlog (Ctrl + F "44233" without quotation marks). All deleted posts are still visible on bitcointa.lk though (this thread is 6 pages longer).
mircea_popescu: i guess im the only privileged asshole here, i never did anything to eat.
ThickAsThieves: not saying i'm "above" picking up trash, i have at times, just that it's not the right fit, nor taking advantage of any of my experience
ThickAsThieves: kakobrekla> <ThickAsThieves> i define it as something productive, worth doing, that provides mutual benefit to me and at least one other party < you dont need a biz or a job or anything for that /// only in the broad sense, i wouldnt personally find that "worth doing" in my own values of what my time is worth
mircea_popescu: it's just that it makes no sense for you to keep virtual benjamins if you do nothing in the bezzle.
mircea_popescu: like you know, some people don't wear dockers, because they're not social justice warriors, the women they fuck don't even know what dockers are, etc.
mircea_popescu: nope. it's mostly because they are not part of that world.
asciilifeform: the way it was explained to me, by one wretch, is that many folks who refuse to use ordinary banks do so because they were hounded by creditors (ordinary ones, and government alimony collectors)
mircea_popescu: about 200mn of us citizens live in the fictitious world of bezzle. they never use cash for anything. about 50mn us citizens live in the real economy, they mostly use tide for currency, but at the fringe there's this exchange of people who work for the fictitious economy,
kakobrekla: <ThickAsThieves> i define it as something productive, worth doing, that provides mutual benefit to me and at least one other party < you dont need a biz or a job or anything for that
ThickAsThieves: i define it as something productive, worth doing, that provides mutual benefit to me and at least one other party
asciilifeform: somebody explain the mindfuck from earlier. the 'check cashing shop' thing isn't a straight scam?
kakobrekla: <ThickAsThieves> i feel like i should be able to get a job just mased on all the readin ive done the past year < isnt it the point that you end up not having 'a job'
mircea_popescu: "If your employer offers you insurance that doesnt provide free ella, or anything else on the list of preventive servicesas defined by Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and ultimately by Obamathen its subject to a fine of $36,500 a year. But if your employer doesnt offer you insurance at all, its subject to a fine of $2,000 a year. "
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure eventually people will, just this bs "o we're the sec/jpm/herpdiderp, we don't need no stikinin' obedience to bitcoin" will have to be either crushed or dissolved first.
ThickAsThieves: i feel like i should be able to get a job just mased on all the readin ive done the past year
mircea_popescu: and the forums i wouldn't advise anyone to read, unless they had mastered both the topic and internet stuff.
mircea_popescu: the logs are > 50mb on my disk. who can read that ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves we definitely need a curriculum, currently it's "stfu and read", but the implied "read what ?!" is never really addressed.
mircea_popescu: and then we bitch about bitcoiners being clueless.
mircea_popescu: lampelina hey, you considering a "must read these" page ?
Mats_cd03: the above article should be required reading for self titled bitcoin enthusiasts
chetty: the organization plays a critical role in influencing the behavior of banks and financial institutions around the country
Mats_cd03: less friction seems to be the simplest way to describe it
Mats_cd03: http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2013/09/why-poor-choose-go-without-bank-accounts/6783
mircea_popescu: basically they're forcing people to be paid in lala land whether they live in lalaland or the actual tide economy
mircea_popescu: the fact that they enforce it on the "Well to do" govt employees makes it very expensive for actual workers to gateway to the cash ecpnomy they use
Mats_cd03: ^ away rather
Mats_cd03: i disagree with the belief that payday lenders are toxic
mircea_popescu: " 'Operation Choke Point,' which is designed to destroy three sectors of the private lending industry: third party payment processors ("TPPPs"), payday lenders, and online lenders. ". sez breitbart.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-have-fun-as-an-intelligent-person/#comment-98711 << today i learned someone's been actually doing something pretty close to the whole google-bitbet thing
herbijudlestoids: ps: i saw your letters to the SEC. lelz.
blackwhite: so this is unrelated to bitcoin but might still be of interest. I am doing a contextual note taking app for osx. I have an alpha version and is looking for a few people to test it. The look of it is like this http://grab.by/vs1G
jurov: tables on top of each other and everything.. it was minimalistic ugliness unsurpassed since
jurov: needs bigger sample, one lucky bet could get him into the blue
Neil: Don't really want to restart the convo of 24hrs ago, but I'll just point out that our friend http://bitbet.us/stats/16tAoe9PWgyncvCRxjtisPiNy9Pbcrqsgf/ has done simultaneous bets on both sides of several bets. *Every* 2-way bet that has resolved so far has been a loss for him, often substantially so.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: you will need to login to facebook before logging into the matrix
VanCleef: they're getting desperate
moiety: jurov: there was movie suggestions going on XD
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
moiety: ;; later tell MisterE nah, the original James Bond to me is Roger Moore; modern Bond Pierce Brosnan/Daniel Craig equally. I can't take Sean Connery seriously after the film with the flying penises, not to mention his ever exaggerated accent :P
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell benkay like any good research paper organizing the rest of it is the challenge
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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BingoBoingo: ;; later someone remind me that tonight I started a great post about the quartz revolution and the swiss watch industry
BingoBoingo: Differences between the crazy and the merely ignorant, the crazy possess an enviable ability for introspection http://www.crazymeds.us/CrazyTalk/index.php/topic/25093-how-can-i-invent-a-new-disorder/#entry158059
MisterE: tons of fail by the FD there too, painfully obvious they were out of practice and coms were non-existant
MisterE: construction fires are some of the scariest
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I really just want one of these SV types to kiss my glans and say, "I'm sorry"
BingoBoingo: VanCleef: Were you the NYDFS VanCleef
BingoBoingo: Just convert between the two more selectively
VanCleef: dealing with cash seems alot easier than complying with these new bitcoin irs rules
BingoBoingo: On the ASVAB I did the multiple choice thing well enough to qualify for any enlisted job training in the US DoD, but failed the MEPs psych screening
ozbot: Ross Rebagliati - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: Eh, fuck the Olympics
nubbins`: there was a canadian snowboarded who lost olympic gold after testing + for pot
BingoBoingo: Took the ASVAB with a migraine
BingoBoingo: I took the GRE plastered
BingoBoingo: The handegg-weed argument basically boils down to persistent analgesic effect and appetite stimulant effect
VanCleef: another terrible buy from facebook today
BingoBoingo: Way down the line in my cue of things I need to post about is why Marijuana is the best performance enhancing drug for handegg
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: If you can throw a baseball in the strikezone at 92+ mph that will cease to be a dilema
BingoBoingo: joecool: They did indeed
joecool: the crank movies were shot on pretty low budget
nubbins`: if they could :D
BingoBoingo: They can't make it
nubbins`: not because all the HURR DURR knuckleheads who cummed at that scene in the first movie wanted to cum again
nubbins`: y'know, for the plot
nubbins`: like when dude banged his wife in the middle of a football field
BingoBoingo: Contrived has aesthetic uses though
BingoBoingo: The Crank movies were great though
BingoBoingo: These roles have narrow time windows
MisterE: I seem to like many of the movies he's in
nubbins`: what the fuck
nubbins`: "Now that you’ve been eating like a predator for some time, you are discovering that when you eat like a predator, and play like a predator, you start thinking like a predator. Stupid people aren’t annoyances: they’re profit centers. Fat people are no longer disgusting: they’re delicious."
nubbins`: mostly based on the fact that most of the stuff i read about it appears to have been written by fucking idiots
nubbins`: the idea of the "paleo diet" is interesting, but i can't help be suspicious that it's for fucking idiots
BingoBoingo: VanCleef: The thing about Craig is LayerCake sold it.
MisterE: you have them ranked?
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Still only the 4th best bond though
BingoBoingo: VanCleef: Honestly it would be better from the Salamancas point of view
nubbins`: it was the closest i could get to an infinity symbol without trying
BingoBoingo: VanCleef: License to kill was prolly the best bond move in the three decades it is in the center of
BingoBoingo: Except when Connery was the worst
BingoBoingo: Bonds ranked: Connery, Dalton, Craig, Moore, the rest, Connery
BingoBoingo: VanCleef: Craig is the third best Bond
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Seriously though, Craig is prolly the best Bond since Dalton
MisterE: the name seened interesting
MisterE: you were telling someone their recommendation better be good...
MisterE: nubbins`: what was the last movie you watched?
BingoBoingo: Well the answer isn't this what-if.xkcd.com/89/
nubbins`: he sure did know how to recommend the shit out of wine
BingoBoingo: Publishing the quote untitled with simply notes 1 and 2 was also something I weighed
BingoBoingo: I thought suggesting a 13/16 time signature for a reading cadence at the start might get the gravity of the reading going
BingoBoingo: At that point I imagine they fragment too much
asciilifeform: speaking of terminology, is there a... 'suburban dictionary' ? 'rural dictionary' ?
BingoBoingo: I depreciated them from my doings when after hack #1 they revealed they made an exchange on RoR
BingoBoingo: I forgot how long the Vircurex Dossier was, so in the interim enjoy: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/25/the-curious-case-of-vircurex-part-one-try-to-imagine-the-instrumental-theme-for-the-terminator-playing-in-your-head-as-you-read/
moiety: this conversation prompted me to check on our site. my manul doesn't look happy with the cat next to him http://i.imgur.com/k5AUNwZ.png
asciilifeform: i can't help but think of the 'derp' from that tale, when i see the word, because - believe it or not - i heard it there before elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: sooo... aaron spelling is just re-doing the same shit over and over
asciilifeform: (can you imagine the word 'batman' being remembered as something else?)
asciilifeform: nitpick with pediwikia - the 'batman' in the epic is not wearing a 'batman' costume. he's a bloke who smashes heads with a baseball bat.
ozbot: S.N.U.F.F. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
moiety: my guess i began with someone trying to tell a noob they were more skilled/important than they actually were asciilifeform
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=herp | Herp. The prefix of "derp". Usually used when saying something foolish. Person 1 : Does anybody know why I can't get my TV to turn on? Person 2: Try plugging ...
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=derp | A simple, undefined reply when an ignorant comment or action is made. Brought to life in the South Park series, when Mr. Derp made a guest apperanc...
asciilifeform: t vanish - but it was reduced to choosing from that which had already been created. Figuratively speaking, we no longer grow grapes. We send for a bottle from the cellar. People who carry out this task, we call "sommeliers."
asciilifeform: - People had already devised all necessary things. Once, long ago, mankind developed in leaps and bounds - not only did the objects around us change constantly, but so did the words we used. In those days there were a great many names for a creative person - engineer, poet, scholar. And all of them constantly invented new things. But that was mankind's childhood. And then it reached maturity. Creativity did no
asciilifeform: - That's what they used to call servants who fetched wine. They had big lists of wines, from which gentlemen could choose. And later, this is what they started to call people who dealt in what was once considered creativity.
asciilifeform: - How come they use the word "sommelier"? - he asked yet another stupid question, - So many different professions, but only one word...
asciilifeform: re: commoditized 'innovation' - here's a snipped from me turdbox. translation of a page in pelevin's epic 'snuff' (the one with s/ukraine/orkaine, 'orcs', etc)
benkay: couldn't possibly predict where the sweet stuff is.
benkay: i guess buterin just misses the cutoff.
mircea_popescu: and would like you to pick up the tab.
mircea_popescu: but under survival pressure has curtailed the conference to just two people
benkay: 'statistics' aside, "Jones found that people in their thirties contributed about 40 percent of the innovations, and those in their forties about 30 percent. People over 50 were responsible for 14 percent, the same share as the twentysomethings. Those under the age of 19 were responsible for exactly nothing."
asciilifeform: ought to be, the ancient legend of 'penny - turn screw, $maxint - 0.01 - which screw'
asciilifeform: no idea what's in there
gribble: Knowing which screw to turn - Calvin Correli: <http://calvincorreli.com/2007/05/27/knowing-which-screw-to-turn/>; Nail vs. Screw vs. Bolt: Knowing The Right Hardware To Use : Home ...: <http://www.diynetwork.com/home-improvement/nail-vs-screw-vs-bolt-knowing-the-right-hardware-to-use/pictures/index.html>; The Screw - SlideShare: <http://www.slideshare.net/lotharm/the-screw>
benkay: the best thing since sliced cheese, but they were never willing to buy it.” Again the kid said yes. “Then you realized that anything you’re doing that has to be regulated, like making medical recommendations, requires FDA approval.” By now the kid was demanding to know how Stamos had guessed all of this. “You see these gray hairs?” he said. “It’s the classic model everyone goes through. I know it from Phase Forward.”
benkay: “Really, you got this funded?” Stamos asked. Yes, said the kid. “But it obviously didn’t work out,” Stamos replied. Right, said the kid. At which point Stamos began to piece together what must’ve happened. “You collected the data and realized a lot of the data out there is horrible, and you couldn’t make sense of it,” he said. The kid allowed that this was true. “You probably talked to CVS—everyone talks to CVS. And they tho
mircea_popescu: the dude did it for over a decade
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i don't see what the fdl brouhaha is all about
benkay: photogrammetry, by the way
mircea_popescu: ;;google 3d imaging technique where you use some knowledge of the lens distortion to compute a point cloud